C usually but depends heavily on the utg players likely range.. and how likely I am to get squeezed if I call and by what player types. My sizing would be around 900-1050 maybe a bit bigger if I’m live and there are passive players likely to cold call making it multi-way. Another thing to think is this villain prone to rip it in? And what would that range likely look like?
2.5x raise from UTG is a usually a strong open. so I could be facing a big pair or Ax, Kx, KQ. From middle position I could easily be squeezed and would hate a re-raise from the button or BB. So it's either fold, which is a bit nitty or raise to fold out the weak and put me in position. In this case either be strong and go with a 6BB raise, or fold and be a nit. I hate JJ from middle position...
I have to say I disagree with his thoughts that this is a call sometimes. I don't care about UTG player type, I care about the action to come behind me. By just calling you are making it lucrative for those players to come in based on pot odds. I don't want to play jacks from middle position with 3+ players to the flop. The more players, the more vulnerable jacks are. I have a lot to learn. Am I wrong? If I am wrong... help me understand why I would just call.
Call. There are to many short stacks behind us to raise and we are getting a good price to set mine. Getting jammed on by one of the short stacks is going to suck (30BB per short stack is borderline push / fold for them) but if they jam we are ok letting go of our 2.5BB call. Also if everyone folds around to us from short stack jam we can consider a call.
@@PokerCoaching i was a poker coaching member pre- alex but having him in your stable is pretty big. also michael acevedo (pretty sure his GTO book has usurped the earlier janda books by now, maybe not)
Loving this and Alex, I’ll tell you what, as much as people complain about JJ, the real hand no one plays correctly is AK so that would be a great one to do a video on next. Thanks!
This was a fantastic and very educational video. I saw so many of these hands and saw myself in that same situation too many times. I sometimes “ewww”d out loud for the uncomfortable ones. I learned a lot about my own play from just this one video. Thank you Jonathan and Alex.
I love these videos and thank u to all those involved in the creation. It is easy to justify a premium membership and or coaching from either John or Alex but as a man in his 30s with a family so many other things take priority. But i will grind up micro and low stakes to enough to take coaching from both of u. Until then thanks again for all the free content !
14:19 why a bet here and why this big? The flop favors the pre-flop callers range especially caller from bb. Checking with overpairs on the flop on a board texture that favors the range of your opponent is recommended iirc? Ontop of that the stack to pot ratio is huge which makes overpair a non premium holding especially on the flop? Villain could have any number of flush draws and straight draws.
can someone please explain to me how I play an overpair of aces or kings on really really wet flop with low cards if middle position checks to me? Do I bet to build the pot and give draws the wrong price to call and get value from smaller overpairs? Or do I check to disguise my hand and keep the draws in as bluffs (and to avoid being checkraised). I know this is a specific question but any help would be appreciated 🙏
It just seems like every time I slow play and bet half pot or less when I have a vulnerable overpair or top pair, every bad card comes on the turn like an over card, the flush card, or a card that puts something like a 678 on the board. Then the second I check back for pot control, it's a pot size bet back into my face. I do know that by potting it, they're only going to call with hands that are strong or have me beat. And if they raise a pot size bet, they almost always won't be bluffing. It's a paradox.
That Ace turn in that hand at around 15 minutes is so tilting. It's like I'm having flashbacks getting donked into. And like you said I want to call so bad.
A few years ago, I raised big with KK preflop and got a caller. The flop was dry. I c-bet in position and got called. He then shoved dark on the turn, which was an ace. I called, and he flopped the set. Had he seen the ace and then shoved, I likely would have put him on the ace and folded.
I would like a 3 bet here. I personally like jacks because they are a hand that should give us our opponents strength. If we raise to let’s say 1200 then we are putting them in a spot where they are going to jam AA KK QQ and AK and AQ which any best we are flipping against. If we get a flat call then we are more likely up against 22’s-10’s as well as Ax suited maybe A10/9 off suit some suited and off suited Kings and even fewer Queens. We block Jack -x holding two in our hand so we should more than likely be ahead to the flop.
Wow this is a great video love his teaching style. That last hand though. I dunno most players at low or medium stakes are loathe to NOT bet the queen when there are 3 hearts out there. And they are also scared of not betting the A for same reason. I suppose if he had exactly A heart in his hand he would play this way but you've shown absolutely NO aggression in this hand. Turning pairs or Kh X s into a bluff might happen 25 % of the time and that's all you need to break even.
49:40 so…. were the “right” answers actually wrong w that trapped hand? was it the right move just bad “luck” or should we have answered/played differently? bc u say you were outplayed… which implies we didn’t play optimally. But you still mark your line as “correct” and don’t offer an alternative which implies we played optimally… so im not sure if i should be learning from your (potential) mistake or recognizing that sometimes we get trapped there and that’s just poker
So many people at my local casino are always baffled when I bet top pair, or a slight over pair to a low board... I haven't ran it through the super computers, but I'm pretty sure betting when you're probably ahead is a good strategy.
raise. about 537, just to make the math funky. this will tell me where the others are. fold to any raise of half pot or over, will that that to mean two over or KK/AA
Looking forward to this. So I guess it would depend on live reads and blind levels. If he is a Fish who plays all kinds of hands from any position and the blinds are some place around 50/100, then I would 4 bet to 725. If he is a normal player playing a normal range, I would call. If he is a TAG or NIT, I would consider folding if there is action to my left. I say that here, but I think even then I call. I would want to see a flop. I would be cautious though. QQ-AA could make up a lot of his range. I’m not saying I would only set mine, but I would have a set mine mentality. I would call a reasonable C bet, and likely check back on the turn. The river is where I might go for thin value by assuming he has AK or AQ/AJ suited. So if those hands didn’t improve, I would bet. I might also bluff at an ace to rep AK if he has KK, but not usually.
Any game worth the other players are not as good as you. Thank you so much for these videos. I was wondering, I’m sure you’ve already been asked this, if you ever thought about making this type of video with other tough hands to play like AQo? Have a blessed day.
Does Alex's findings of players generally betting too little as both bluff and value, folding too little, and calling too much generally apply to microstakes cash games? I'm guessing it does. I am from Canada and have started playing on 888 btw.
I just started getting into your videos. I like them a lot. I mostly watched a bunch of older videos and bunch had really great deals for the memberships. Bummed that you don't give out those deals like you used to. It just unfortunately doesn't make much sense from an RoI perspective @ the current pricing living in a location where you don't really have reasonable access to games. Like the spring sale from 2020.
I like how you mention people make emotional decisions and then justify it later. You don't have to be the best poker player if you don't make emotional decisions.
Yes Part two!!!!!!!!!!! 80 minutes.. My answer to the quiz. I would call. He RR against our early strong opening range. So hehas probably a strong polarized range. 4betting brings us nothing: he would fold worse hands and call or 5bet better hands. Basically we are set mining with a very strong hand. Most dangerous flop is one with three under cards. A, K high flops we can call 1 bet (or two when both bets are really small). Wait: I thought he was raising us on the big blind. This situation is between calling en raising. I think it is very close
31:41 not sure Alex understands the meaning of "narcissistic"... It's narcissistic when you think no one thinks like you not the other way around 🤦🏻♂️
solid player only calls you with a better hand @ 10:19. nice to see im getting these about right i said bet 800-900 on turn. still QQ gets me more often than JJ I think ! I was also pissed to not value bet my read AT / maaaybe KTs. that's hilarious
he takes forever with the "what would you do, call, bet, or fold, verbal pauses, and too many random stories and his manic yelling is off putting. I feel like he's berating me the entire time.
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What would YOU do with J♥ J♦ preflop?
Your Stack (HJ): 7,722
Their Stack (UTG): 6,092
Pot: 323
UTG raises to 299
A) Fold
B) Call
C) Raise to … ?
C usually but depends heavily on the utg players likely range.. and how likely I am to get squeezed if I call and by what player types. My sizing would be around 900-1050 maybe a bit bigger if I’m live and there are passive players likely to cold call making it multi-way. Another thing to think is this villain prone to rip it in? And what would that range likely look like?
2.5x raise from UTG is a usually a strong open. so I could be facing a big pair or Ax, Kx, KQ. From middle position I could easily be squeezed and would hate a re-raise from the button or BB. So it's either fold, which is a bit nitty or raise to fold out the weak and put me in position. In this case either be strong and go with a 6BB raise, or fold and be a nit. I hate JJ from middle position...
I have to say I disagree with his thoughts that this is a call sometimes. I don't care about UTG player type, I care about the action to come behind me. By just calling you are making it lucrative for those players to come in based on pot odds. I don't want to play jacks from middle position with 3+ players to the flop. The more players, the more vulnerable jacks are.
I have a lot to learn. Am I wrong? If I am wrong... help me understand why I would just call.
Call. There are to many short stacks behind us to raise and we are getting a good price to set mine. Getting jammed on by one of the short stacks is going to suck (30BB per short stack is borderline push / fold for them) but if they jam we are ok letting go of our 2.5BB call. Also if everyone folds around to us from short stack jam we can consider a call.
Call - but depends on HUD stats if I have them... against someone who is 20pct plus UTG, probably raise...
Alex is the reason I signed up for Premium Membership. If you're on the fence about joining, the videos inside the paywall are even better.
Awesome!
@@PokerCoaching i was a poker coaching member pre- alex but having him in your stable is pretty big. also michael acevedo (pretty sure his GTO book has usurped the earlier janda books by now, maybe not)
@@jasonbatteiger2421 James is prolly the better poker player but maybe Alex is the better coach.
@@SerErryk yeah i meant in coaching sense. i gotta get some of those n.pietrangelo classes.
Does he use an actual microphone? This audio hurts. my ears are bleeding
Thanks!
Loving this and Alex, I’ll tell you what, as much as people complain about JJ, the real hand no one plays correctly is AK so that would be a great one to do a video on next. Thanks!
There is an entire series on how to play all the big hands at PokerCoaching.com that will be released next week.
Love the passion, especially starting at 27:00
The Undoing Project book recommendation is pure money. All the behavioral economics stuff is great.
This was a fantastic and very educational video. I saw so many of these hands and saw myself in that same situation too many times. I sometimes “ewww”d out loud for the uncomfortable ones. I learned a lot about my own play from just this one video. Thank you Jonathan and Alex.
So glad you enjoyed it!
I love these videos and thank u to all those involved in the creation. It is easy to justify a premium membership and or coaching from either John or Alex but as a man in his 30s with a family so many other things take priority. But i will grind up micro and low stakes to enough to take coaching from both of u. Until then thanks again for all the free content !
I always look forward to these contents. I hope that we get that 1.5k likes!
Thanks!
This is awesome.
Great to know my decisions and observations are accurate, it tells me I'm definitely learning and reading the board/players properly.
At 47:07, when melissa2141 had AA, would you also go all in with kings?
I made to the end and liked!
Awesome :)
Belagio is your favorite place maybe. Alex made a great show with the JJ 💯👍
Call
Thanks for another piece of great content guys!!
Our pleasure!
14:19 why a bet here and why this big? The flop favors the pre-flop callers range especially caller from bb. Checking with overpairs on the flop on a board texture that favors the range of your opponent is recommended iirc? Ontop of that the stack to pot ratio is huge which makes overpair a non premium holding especially on the flop? Villain could have any number of flush draws and straight draws.
You have a over pair. He checked, you bet. Probably ahead
can someone please explain to me how I play an overpair of aces or kings on really really wet flop with low cards if middle position checks to me? Do I bet to build the pot and give draws the wrong price to call and get value from smaller overpairs? Or do I check to disguise my hand and keep the draws in as bluffs (and to avoid being checkraised). I know this is a specific question but any help would be appreciated 🙏
Betting is usually ideal unless your opponents play especially well. See the video series by Alex in PokerCoaching.com on how to play Aces and Kings!
thank you so much for taking time to respond
3 bet to 4x to stop a late AXs KXs from squeaking in to see a flop assuming the UTG has a linear range of 88+ A10o+.
It just seems like every time I slow play and bet half pot or less when I have a vulnerable overpair or top pair, every bad card comes on the turn like an over card, the flush card, or a card that puts something like a 678 on the board. Then the second I check back for pot control, it's a pot size bet back into my face. I do know that by potting it, they're only going to call with hands that are strong or have me beat. And if they raise a pot size bet, they almost always won't be bluffing. It's a paradox.
thanks so much for this video, it's really helpful given that I can't play jacks very well
Happy to help!
That Ace turn in that hand at around 15 minutes is so tilting. It's like I'm having flashbacks getting donked into. And like you said I want to call so bad.
Are these in the premium section already? I can’t find them.
It goes live 2/21. Sorry for the delay.
A few years ago, I raised big with KK preflop and got a caller. The flop was dry. I c-bet in position and got called. He then shoved dark on the turn, which was an ace. I called, and he flopped the set. Had he seen the ace and then shoved, I likely would have put him on the ace and folded.
I would like a 3 bet here. I personally like jacks because they are a hand that should give us our opponents strength. If we raise to let’s say 1200 then we are putting them in a spot where they are going to jam AA KK QQ and AK and AQ which any best we are flipping against. If we get a flat call then we are more likely up against 22’s-10’s as well as Ax suited maybe A10/9 off suit some suited and off suited Kings and even fewer Queens. We block Jack -x holding two in our hand so we should more than likely be ahead to the flop.
Wow this is a great video love his teaching style.
That last hand though. I dunno most players at low or medium stakes are loathe to NOT bet the queen when there are 3 hearts out there. And they are also scared of not betting the A for same reason. I suppose if he had exactly A heart in his hand he would play this way but you've shown absolutely NO aggression in this hand. Turning pairs or Kh X s into a bluff might happen 25 % of the time and that's all you need to break even.
Favorite place to play? I am gonna say Aria, with Bellagio being a close runner up-given how long you played 5-10 there back the day.
49:40 so…. were the “right” answers actually wrong w that trapped hand? was it the right move just bad “luck” or should we have answered/played differently? bc u say you were outplayed… which implies we didn’t play optimally. But you still mark your line as “correct” and don’t offer an alternative which implies we played optimally…
so im not sure if i should be learning from your (potential) mistake or recognizing that sometimes we get trapped there and that’s just poker
So many people at my local casino are always baffled when I bet top pair, or a slight over pair to a low board... I haven't ran it through the super computers, but I'm pretty sure betting when you're probably ahead is a good strategy.
What would I do if I was power booster holding 88? Fold the flop?
found the 2nd part thanks for the free training
raise. about 537, just to make the math funky. this will tell me where the others are. fold to any raise of half pot or over, will that that to mean two over or KK/AA
Looking forward to this.
So I guess it would depend on live reads and blind levels.
If he is a Fish who plays all kinds of hands from any position and the blinds are some place around 50/100, then I would 4 bet to 725.
If he is a normal player playing a normal range, I would call.
If he is a TAG or NIT, I would consider folding if there is action to my left. I say that here, but I think even then I call. I would want to see a flop. I would be cautious though. QQ-AA could make up a lot of his range. I’m not saying I would only set mine, but I would have a set mine mentality. I would call a reasonable C bet, and likely check back on the turn. The river is where I might go for thin value by assuming he has AK or AQ/AJ suited. So if those hands didn’t improve, I would bet. I might also bluff at an ace to rep AK if he has KK, but not usually.
Any game worth the other players are not as good as you.
Thank you so much for these videos. I was wondering, I’m sure you’ve already been asked this, if you ever thought about making this type of video with other tough hands to play like AQo?
Have a blessed day.
Does Alex's findings of players generally betting too little as both bluff and value, folding too little, and calling too much generally apply to microstakes cash games? I'm guessing it does. I am from Canada and have started playing on 888 btw.
Bellagio is your favourite
Check
Smash 👍👍👍 Solide. Alex makes it fun. He does makes me realize I need to study even more 😎. Thank you for the content JL
if you bluff, bad bad? what about semi-bluff?
Dudes FUCKING BATMAN!!!
call - able to act after flop
I just started getting into your videos. I like them a lot. I mostly watched a bunch of older videos and bunch had really great deals for the memberships. Bummed that you don't give out those deals like you used to. It just unfortunately doesn't make much sense from an RoI perspective @ the current pricing living in a location where you don't really have reasonable access to games. Like the spring sale from 2020.
Glad you like them!
Guessing The Encore/Wynn poker room 🤣
your home!
I like how you mention people make emotional decisions and then justify it later. You don't have to be the best poker player if you don't make emotional decisions.
Bellagio in Vegas
Yes Part two!!!!!!!!!!! 80 minutes.. My answer to the quiz. I would call. He RR against our early strong opening range. So hehas probably a strong polarized range. 4betting brings us nothing: he would fold worse hands and call or 5bet better hands. Basically we are set mining with a very strong hand. Most dangerous flop is one with three under cards. A, K high flops we can call 1 bet (or two when both bets are really small). Wait: I thought he was raising us on the big blind. This situation is between calling en raising. I think it is very close
Alex is awesome, my favorite coach hands down. Love this.
Bellagio
This guy is the Jordan Belfort of poker. Man he can talk!
Your favourite place to play poker? I'm guessing your office? At least then you don't have to travel. :P
31:41 not sure Alex understands the meaning of "narcissistic"... It's narcissistic when you think no one thinks like you not the other way around 🤦🏻♂️
solid player only calls you with a better hand @ 10:19. nice to see im getting these about right i said bet 800-900 on turn. still QQ gets me more often than JJ I think !
I was also pissed to not value bet my read AT / maaaybe KTs. that's hilarious
I would 3 bet
Call against RubyRabbit.
I'm going to raise 3X so I will know where I am at in the hand.
Love the content but damn that microphone is terrible. The audio is really rough!
Bellagio.
Borgata
lmao i just got re-recommended this after getting it in with jacks (which i double checked was 50/50 gto in my position) and losing to queens 😂
Like and comment just trying to do my part
Thanks, Daniel!
I hate it when they turn up with a hand that makes no sense to be in their range.
Best way to play JJ is too fold them pre flop.
Fold
Two over cards & a moderate size bet!! Go ahead give your $$ away with post flop 18% equity.
my guess is "at home" :)
Large 3/4 pot
I learned more about how to teach children rather then how to play poker
Happy to help!
3-4 pot
The dudes killing me w the WHY he does the yelling
HAHA
Bet 40% keep in over cards.
Favorite place for you to play is in your office at home so you can be close to your family.
Bet
Bellagio Bobby's Room
My guess is Bellagio
6:46 I would raise 3x
damn guys 500 more likes please
Get in cheap
When the J hits
FOLD
You're welcome
Hard Rock ...
1/3 pot.
SMASH DAT LIKE BUTTTTONNN!!!
Good info but also boring 😩
Thanks for the view
why does he talk about people like he’s an alien or something
Raze, keep others out. Heads up.
Yeah right! Thats impossible, 🤣🤣
he takes forever with the "what would you do, call, bet, or fold, verbal pauses, and too many random stories and his manic yelling is off putting. I feel like he's berating me the entire time.
Enjoy!
1/3 talking about poker, 2/3 boasting and personally attacking viewers, lol.
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