hi ! what do you think about the other side of the graphic card ? people tend to say this part doesn't heat a lot or can't be cooled efficiently... But what about also having one cooler on the other side ? Sure it wo't be quiet anymore but i'm wondering about the benefits from it...
Look at 3:30 how much thermal paste is used stock. They made sure that everything is covered to the edge. And for good reason. At 3:46 it looks like you might run into problems if that does not squeeze out over the full die. Maybe you want to check that. Otherwise nice build.
C Nonken, totally agree. and @ DIY perks, one "cure" for coil whine in games is to cap your FPS. the harder the card is working the more noise it makes. cap it to your monitors refresh rate, anything higher is really only good for benchmarking or stress testing. stress goes down and noise and temp goes down.
+DIY Perks I've been doing this kind of thing for over 20 years. Started by mounting old Socket 7 CPU heatsinks to early VooDoo, VooDoo 2, Geforce and ATI Radeon cards and then 80mm fans to overclock and keep them cool. Sound was never a problem back then. If you'd like a better solution for the fan noise try, ironically, smaller fans. Three 120mm fans, all pushing the same direction, should improve airflow and reduce noise.
Nah, I used to work with jet engines. It's much lower in tone, and therefore easier to become acclimated to. You'll forget about it after half an hour. The high pitched noises have a habit of cutting through background noise easily. It's why you drop everything and go stick your ear up to the case the first time you hear coil whine. My hearing isn't great anymore, but I'll hear a graphics card fan speed up more easily over background noise than a CPU or case fan any day.
@@dragonbike471 This cooler is a NH-D14 It is in fact the best cooler ever made for anything related to cpu/apparently gpu cooling. My Amd rig was running at 60C with an AIO corsair h100i v2.. then I put this on it.. and its running at 20C... absolutely amazing cooler with 6 heatpipes and 2 fin sets. Every Computer should be cooled with this exact cooler. It cools better than Water cooling by a LARGE AMOUNT!
@@rickgrimezz3942 Linus Tech Tips tested this and indeed they found that Noctua did cool better and was in fact a little bit more quiet. I hacked my Zalman 9500 cooler on my i7 2600k and if it is clean it can actually work without a fan. Take a look at this excellent cooler, it uses 3 heatpipes but they act as 6 heatpipes which is pretty neat design.
One slight note with this Gpu heatsinks aren’t only cooling the processor die They also cool the memory, power delivery, etc especially with modern, and hotter and more performance based cards Otherwise this is pretty great
his point was the die is the majority of the heat, which was cooled significantly. he did also put a smaller passive cooler over where the original heat sink synced up with those components. those didn't benefit directly from the fans, but would have gotten some of the eddy currents, likely sufficient for their needs
yes they are, both stock fans are 70mm fans, the only difference is the casing. on gpus they tend to have a shroud to push the air in the pipe through the heat sink, making it come in contact with the 70mm fans easier.
same i have the same gpu and i thought I'd be smart and extend the lifespan of it by using a aggressive fan profile one year later i started hearing beeps but i didnt realize it was caused by my gpu now 2 years later it has gotten really bad and I dont know what silence is like anymore and worst of all its probably permanent and im only 20 years old :\
Murilo Zontur no it isn't a fair comparison, because he is a single youtuber producing about 1 quality video per month, meanwhile LTT makes tons of videos with similar quality videos like this about once per month as well.
Would be nice if you could arrange all components (PSU, GPU, RAM, CPU, etc) in a line. A solid row of heat sinks and fans, so that the computer case is effectively a tube. It would be interesting to see
Inductor/choke/coil related noise is an artifact of air surrounding the coil being excited with a beat frequency of the DC to DC POL supplies. I've seen sealed coils which have epoxy/silicon applied to the coil which isolates the air from excitation. Another "trick" is to be sure your fans are mechanically isolated from the mounting points. Putting a shim of foam rubber between the two surfaces is a nice solution. I've even seen mounting screws replaced with rubber pegs such that the rigid attachment, too, can float a bit. If you listen to a fan suspended on rubber bands in open air they are surprisingly quiet. It is often the transfer of mechanical vibration onto a large radiation surfce (think Klipsch speakers) that is the source of the annoyance. --- Alternatively to this hood ornament approach is to construct your own liquid cooling loops. These need not be rigid bent copper tubing. The only thing that needs to be metal is the heat pad affixed to the GPU chip and of course the radiators. If you look at Chinese sources like banggood.com you will find all the bits sold separately to do this. Collecting all the heat and transferring out to a very large radiator with a very large push / pull serrated edge fan (which is very quiet and can move at slower RPM's) is a simple and elegant solution. As it is connected by hoses it really need not be co-resident in the enclosure. Of course this is for a permanent installation and not for your rig where you expect to change configuration a dozen times a year. Cheers!
@@hadis5160 They could. The problem is this only works with Mini-ITX boards that are mounted inversely. Just like in this video. The heatpipes only work if mounted upwards or sidewards. If you mount them downwards, there will almost be zero heat transfer. So you need a case specifically for this and then you need mounting brackets for all the different PCB layouts you want to support. And also, with Mini-ITX, dual GPU is out of the picture.
@@onurcandemirbilek4874 Maybe you should look at cases from Streacom. I think you'd be able to modify those to fit the needs of high end components. To do it well, you'd need some good equipment and expensive machines though.
@@onurcandemirbilek4874 I just remembered something else. If you choose a graphics card, have close look at cards with vapor chambers. Some models of KFA2 have vapor chamber blocks, which you could modify by carefully milling it, to accept a CPU cooler. The advantage would be that you have a full block covering the VRMs and in general vapor chambers perform better than heatpipes. One of the rules in thermo design is to use heatpipes for transporting heat across distances and to use vapour chambers to spread out heat into a bigger area.
Dream on about the 3090.. No one needs or can afford that anyway, even if it was in stock.. Ridiculous card! And as it is air-cooled already, of course it can be done! And it you actually watch the video before commenting and being a now-it-all, you would see that he cools the vrm and other components to.. better than most backplates.
To remove the coil whine you will have to fix the offending coils. First you locate them. It shouldn't be too hard by ear, but peessing down on the component hard with your finger should make it shut up. Next you have to minimize the vibrations. You can either pot the coil or replace it. To pot the coil you desolder it and put it in epoxy potting compound in a vacuum chamber. There's a quite ingenious $20 vacuum chamber video on youtube. This could be a great project on its own. The guy makes the vacuum chamber out of a glass jar he puts on a wooden cutting board. He drills the vacuum line in the wood! The gasket is made by pouring silicon under a ring of rubber he cut out around the circumference of the jar. Another option is to find a replacement coil. You send it to an electronics engineer with a good RLC bridge who gives you the specs and you find a similar coil with the largest possible physical dimensions. Or smallest. Try a few, they're not expensive. Maybe you can buy ones already potted. Note that this has a higher chance of burning down your card but also if you figure out what coil to buy then the viewers will find it easier to follow this (as they just need to buy the part at eg mouser). Finally the coil might be whining because it transfers transients that it doesn't have to. Try bypassing it with low esr capacitors. The circuit should be like this: coil - 0.01 ohm resistor - capacitor bank - electronic load (gpu chip etc). The capacitor bank should have an ESR of less than 0.001 ohms up to 40 kHz, which is not easily covered by one capacitor, so you will need to get multiple, and get them characterised with an ESR vs freq curve that does at least ~5 points per octave. A datasheet only does 1-2 points TOTAL over full freq range so you need to do this measurement yourself. You need a goodish bridge for that (it'll cost upwards of 1000€ so find someone who has one with that capability, or build one out of an audio interface and bridge circuit). I would advise you to try two coolers. One on the backside of the graphics card. You will not believe it but in my silent pc builds this made a noticeable difference on a cpu - using just a small cooler - so a gpu should be even better since there is no socket inbeteeen. Use one of those rubber ish thermal conductive mats to mount the backside cooler. I think you should see a drop of 5-10 degrees at least. And make sure the card is vertical, so no hot air is trapped underneath. That can make a huge difference. Use an equally large cooler for the backside to give it the same kind of chance of functioning as the front side cooler. Finally, i think the heatspreader you left on the card might be keeping it warm.
Nick Burak if i had the gear to do that i would. A bit too broke to go buying this sorta gear for projects though! It's not /expensive/ but it's not exactly free, either.
i will love to see your system, i was trying to make the same thing that DIY Perks did in this video, with 2 phanteks PH-TC14PE red color, but without a second cooler on the other side of the cpu and gpu. www.vortez.net/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=10730 please, can you link your PC?
negroyeah my current (old) pc uses a Thermaltake IFX 10 cooler. It's been discontinued years ago. Nowadays i would just use a second cooler on the back. If i had the cash to spend on this i would immediately build a simple system like an i3 as a proof of concept in order to show it to other people here on youtube.
looking for the model you gave me, i find this(in the right): bit.ly/2Auck6D [pure madness] here is my pc, i have little space in my case: bit.ly/2z2yP0q graphics card: evga ssc 1060 3gb the only sound i can hear, it's from the psu.
About stopping the "Coil Whine", you can cover the effected component (s) with RTV Silicon, or look at the part# and purchase a new one. Proceed at your own risk, and don't try it, if you can't solder well.
This sounds like a pretty good idea. I'm not sure how effective it would be compared to something like potting it in epoxy, since the sounds are high-pitched and quiet. But it would certainly be the easiest option.
@@DrZmesky I have seen PSU's cause different cards to make noise, but one thing I've learned is that "usually" (not always) when they start whining, and a PSU swap won't fix it, then replacing the coil is pretty much your only option. (aside from replacing the entire card, but who can afford that these days? lol)
I had good quality psu - no coil whine, then i replaced it with cheaper one and the coil whine was crazy. Then I have bought another good quality psu and the coil whine was still there but practically inaudible. Thats my experience. And the cheap psu whined itself too.
@@muneebrana4022 Hard to say - depends on existing air-flow and the point on the dissipation curve which highly non-linear. It could help if thermal co-efficient (theta SA) is lower than desired.
Hard to say - depends on existing air-flow and the point on the dissipation curve which is highly non-linear. It could help if thermal co-efficient (theta SA) is lower than desired.
They are pretty overrated. Im using Scythe Fuma SCFM-1000 and its fucking amazing ! (i5-3570k OC from 3,4 -> 4,4GHz and im not going over 58°C with 100% Load..!)
Its been 5 years since u uploaded this video and m imagining how rtx 4090 can be cooled using this method 😂. 4090’s already have a big chunk of heatsink on it.
@@coops3600 Linus Tech Tips already ran the benchmarks and the Noctua air coolers blow every AIO water cooler out of the water on both temps and noise. The only thing better is an expensive custom loop.Or Coriant has a dielectric fluid that you can just submerge your whole rig in. lol th-cam.com/video/PvmMs6mU0NU/w-d-xo.html
@DIYPerks The Coil Whine can me mitigated by using thermal pads on the inductors and power delivery. The pads work as sound and vibration absorbers from the components. That is one of the reasons why card manufacturers use them instead of thermal paste/glue. Now I will warn you this method will not get rid of "all" of the coil whine but it should reduce it enough to where it will be "mostly" inaudible.
From what you can understand about GPU heatsinks that use axial fans to ventilate the heatsinks, the fans send air to the fins, making the air hot, and this hot air (or at least part of it) goes straight to the GPU board. In other words, it's something stupid. The heat from the graphics processor returns to the video card, which is why there are such cards with very high operating temperatures. This idea of using a CPU dissipation tower on a GPU, where the heat is completely removed from its source, is a real renovation for the equipment, it gives that thermal clearance that the hardware needs so much. I just think that the main thing in a hardware cooling system is how much heat it can dissipate, and not about having as little noise as possible. But there are many "princess ears" out there, and companies have been adapting to this. Of course, no one wants to use an EDF to cool the PC case, but the ideal is to use fans with a lot of air flow, which is essential for good heat dissipation in air coolers and water-cooled radiators. .
When I first build my PC recently I was surprised how loud coil whine is on cards. I don't have a screechy loud whine, but it is definitely audible, more so than the fans themselves. It's in particular noisey on full load (high clock speed) and full power draw. EVGA RTX 2070 Super. Runs at 1930-1880Mhz. At the spec sheet base clock of 1605 it would be completely inaudible.
You should try Thermal Grizzly Conductornaut! And get a PWM mini adapter you can hook up to the GPU and can set a manual curve! Also mind sharing the bracket design for NH-D14 pls? Now this would be interesting to test on a Vega 64 card 🤔
LiteGaming Vega would be interesting yes becaus of the big package of Die and HBM2 Ram... also the VRM is the most overpowered on the market so i don't think coill whine would be a problem...also it is a hot card 😁
LiteGaming but liquid metal would be dangerous, saw builds where it spreads to wide an leaked out of the package and conducted stuff on the motherboard... not worth it with expensive Hardware...
Why don't you just coat the surrounding PCB it with an epoxy or non-conductive layer (do test a sample for a while with a drop of LM on it to see if it reacts)? I waterproof my cards for sub-zero cooling (then again, it may run 24 hours straight until I have to defrost my system, I need some heaters on the coolant hoses I guess, the rest of the insulation has heaters to prevent ice up, but I guess I need to make a nichrome heater for the refrigerant lines insulation).
This may sound ridiculous, but the best and cheapest method i found to keep your pc running cool(especially if you live in hotter climate zones) is taking a regular 20 inch x 20 inch house hold fan and putting it on the side of your pc. To do this you can find the fan at any walmart or target for 19.99, then you will need to buy a AC filter screen at the same stores for around 6.99, find the thinnest one and then when you gather the materials, take the side panel off of your pc by unscrewing the thumb screws, then put the AC filter on the side of your rig via tape or maybe in some cases it will fit just right, then press the fan on the side of your pc right against the filter, the filter is applied to block any unwanted dust, hair etc( its a ac filter it pretty much traps anything), then when you start gaming set the fan speed to 1(usually 20 dollar house fans come with 3 speeds) if you really play games that demand a lot of your gpu and cpu then set the speed to 2 or 3, this has been very efficient, my rig under the stress of many triple A titles has been running at around 55 degrees C after hours it goes up to 60 and for my gpu it goes to 57 degrees C and after hours its in the mid 60s Keep in mind this is not a very great cosmetic choice if you are trying to show off your build/case, but the alternatives are watercooling and expensive cpu fans,(that wont do much if your case lacks airflow, all together this setup costs around 30 dollars and has the same efficiency of a 150 dollar water cooler, plus the benefits of not only cooling your cpu but also any ram, gpu,ssd, or hhd you may have installed. The only down side is the noise but if you play with headphones its practically unnoticeable. (im not listing cosmetics as a flaw because it doesn't bother me that much). If you guys try this out, then have fun gaming at cool temps no more worries about overheating your rig!
I did the same for years, minus the AC filter screen. My case had horrible airflow, so you can imagine how much better it got when the cooling was only limited by the room temperature. If someone is on a budget, the ends justify the means in this case, at least in my opinion.
Genius! Let's put a giant rotating electromagnetic field right next to the computer! Throw in a healthy dose of vibration! Gold! Hey! I wonder why my hard drives keep crapping out on me?!?
@@bower95 Hey brainac, any PC fan has the same magnetic fields in them and they're mounted directly over the sensitive components, and yet here we are. Geez some people just don't use their gray matter.
I broke my cheapo GT640 fan a while back, fingers and blades don't go well together, anyway I thought that gpu was destined for the bin, wasn't going to buy another fan for it, but decided to keep it just in case. So anyway fast forward and I needed a graphics card to power a basic screen for a server box, didn't need anything special, dug out the gt640, and guess what a standard clip on Intel CPU fan fitted perfectly on the MSI GT640 heatsink. Perfect!
I love the videos. ... not a stupid face made, not one thing done in the name of grandstanding for subs.... just informative well thought, well spoken ideas. Bravo
Newest GPUs like GTX1080Ti use ridicously huge heatsinks, but they'e heavy, bulky, sagging etc. I think if you want silent PC you should go for EK's budget water cooling kit(called A240G or something like that), it costs as much as two noctua air coolers.
I have a GTX 970 G1 in a corsair carbide spec 3 overclocked, even the stock fans I have are reasonably quiet and used the whisper quiet fans on the case. Big issues I have with the newer GPUs is the damn length! Plus as you point out they are indeed heavy and sagging. Took a lot of fiddling with it to get the GPU to sit in right and this is my thing with them which is putting a custom heat system on no issue but they likely are going to need a custom case to do so, I am still weary of moving anything inside even when cleaning because you always wonder if you nudge something is the GPU going to shift lol. I was going to go with water cooling but having to clean, refill the thing every few months sounds like way too much effort.
I also hope motherboard manufacturers experiment with the PCI-E socket orientations and angles for small form factors :) I would love to see the card and mainboard side by side and two stacks of heatsinks. That way you could possibly have two big heatsinks as your side panel off the shelf ;D
You only need 1 fan in this setup. 3 fans won't add any significant benefit, as they're moving only about 5% more air compared to the single (center) fan setup. Also, good that you thought of cooling the memory or transistors or so. If forgotten, the card would most surely break. You also added 2 fans blowing the air towards the center. This decreases efficiency. It's better to have both fans blow the air outside, so the entire heat sink will receive cool air. In the case of 2 fans blowing inside, the hot air in the center, will warm up the heat sink by a few degrees. Coil whine could potentially be changed or removed by changing the power output the card needs. In Linux this is easily done by the command: #Sudo nvidia-smi -i 0 -pl 150 Where '0' stands for the card slot number, and '150' stands for the wattage you wish the card to run on. Most cards can go from 200+ watts to about 125W minimum. Lowering wattage, does lower performance, but in many cases you can take 20-33% of power off, without any noticeable performance hit in most games or computations. Especially when paired with an overclock. The only thing you will notice, is that many cards will run at least 10 to 15 degrees C cooler, with the same cooling setup.
you sir are having good point but I would put 2 fans on each heat sink to blow away from each other, 1 fan configuration always pushes some heated air from 1st heat sink to 2nd heat sink which would result in imbalanced cooling
Honestly, using extension cables, or an L-corner for the pins with rotated triple-slot backplate for the case, separate from the backplate openings for the other accessories. To be perfectly honest, by setting a standard distance between normally-mounted graphics card and CPU, it would be possible to have the heatsinks for both the CPU and the GPU shared, for higher efficiency of air cooling, even if they are side by side (i.e. air goes from the front of the case through the CPU heatsink then through the GPU heatsink then goes out through the back of the case), but ideally also having the option to have both heatsinks shared for lowering costs for similar performance.
I got one laying around and am supposed to build a waterblock on it. Might aswell test a CPU cooler first, esp. since the AMD driver provides RAM temps aswell which gives me a little concern on this mod.
295x2 is a duel GPU, so that will limit the CPU heatsink size. Fury X is already AIO cooled and runs below 60c (and the Fury non-X runs about 60c at 30% fan speeds and is inaudible, unless you are running over 300 fps, in which case around 1000 fps it screeches and hisses like a tea kettle on one of the 3d mark benchmarks. I think its sort of cool, I call it the "audible FPS counter")
I did it. Thanks for great idea. I bought cheap cooler for one old graphics card. Now my temps are little above ambient with only case airflow. Great idea!
It would be cool if they made the cards prepared for this kind of diy customization to minimize the amount of changes made to the card. Make it the most plug and play as possible and it will be great.
Things aren't made for people, they're made to meet specs (cases, sheets of paper from the wanketing department). If you want boutique stuff, you gotta pay even more.
Using an AIO cooler will keep your temps in the low-mid 40's, and still be pretty quiet.. also much easier to mount in a case. I get though that this is pretty much a proof of concept kind of video, and I certainly dig it.
@@ferrariifxx9983 It depends on what CPU you're using, and what case, since you need to be able to mount the radiator somewhere. I'm using an NZXT Kraken x62 280mm radiator on my AMD Threadripper, and it does a great job (idles around 26 degrees). You can get 120mm radiators, 240, 360, 140, 280 & 420. Just depends on how much cooling you want, how much $$ you want to spend, and again, what kind of case you have so you can mount the radiator. Most cases will at least support a 120mm though, and they do a pretty good job even at that size.
For COIL WHINE I don't recommend messing with removal (mentioned below) as that's difficult and hardly a guarantee of success... You should start by isolating the area if possible by pushing down on the various components with a piece of plastic or whatever makes sense.. since coil whine is an audible frequency physically dampening the area should help... Some components can be dampened with glue, and others need something to be clamped down hard. It's a bit of trial and error.
To the people asking why doesnt he water cool it, water pumps with fans make noise too, and in my opinion, this is more fun and funny to see, it's also called DIY so a reason to make use of your old hardware. If it was called Buy it yourself and he stuck a water cooler on it then made a video.. well that's why you're not making these videos and he is.
There are few possible issues worth noting with a setup like that. 1. Protection bracket could prevent cooler base from contacting with actual gpu die 2. The die itself could be easyally chipped of by the weight of a cooler if mounted unevenly 3. Cards without build-in heatspreader require extra cooling on memory chips and specially on power bus 4. Weight and size, most motherboards and cases aren't designed for this
Make a video about how you have that motherboard mounted to the power supply for that test bench. I think more people would be interested then you think.
The coil whine is present when the fps is really high. The best solution is to go to the settings of the program and limit the fps to where you cannot hear the whine. Otherwise toggling on vsync is good enough, but ideally this method only for monitors with a 60hz refresh rate.
said the guy who made sure there is a dumb reply in the first place ;-) no but seriously, decreasing the FPS is the best way to eliminate coil whine. coil whine is caused by the mosfets and diodes, you could perplace the mosfet and the the diodes to better ones, but thats actually really risky, better would be to put a power delivery board from hardcore overclockers, this one simply bypasses the cards normal power delivery i think was actually even a video about it on LTT explaining coil whine, and their conclusion was to simply crank up your setting to have 60fps, or use a frame limiter. limiting the frames would have the advantage of lower GPU temperatures, but with this giant cooler it's just silly. if you put your GPU in an enclosure and insulate the sound a bit with foam, the coil whine is going to disappear.
Bob Smith artificially decreasing the performance of a graphics card so the coil whine is going to be less obnoxious is pretty much the dumbest shit I can imagine, no offense
After seeing this video I was possessed to buy a cheap noctua DH-14 on Ebay and put it on my GTX1070. Was honestly moderately difficult; without my plethora of screws and my workshop it wouldn't have been possible. Spent an hour drilling and tapping the heatplate on my gpu after I desoldered the original fins and heatpipes with a dab torch. Used some spare screws from ghosts of pc builds past and got it on there solidly. I could have had an easier time if I waited for my backplate to arrive in the mail but I was too impatient. It arrived a day later and I haven't put it on yet though I'll get around to it. At 100% load for an hour I only got 62C on the GPU despite it only being passively cooled. I've got fans to put on it but I was interested in it's ability to passively cool itself. I am happy to report that a NH-D14 is indeed able to passively cool an overclocked 1070. imgur.com/a/sXk4WIr
@@gearfriedtheswmas Yeah, it's a Corsair Air 540 case after all. The GPU runs even cooler with the sides on. Case fans direct decent airflow over the noctuas. Putting fans directly on The goal of this wasn't to passively cool anything though. It was just something that turned out to be possible. Passive cooling/worrying about sound levels of computer parts is for neurotic aspies imo.
Brother i have a Gtx 1070 SC version. And i have it in a tower FS0 CMT510 and i was thinking to do this. My question is I am abit scared the card might break because of the weight of the cooler and fans and i want to use rgb fans on it so it will look cooler and how can i mount it properly on it. Would love it if u could guide
Thank you! I've also constructed one myself now. Additionally, it serves the purpose of warming my hands as I can direct the warm air wherever I need it.
What massively improves passive cooling is thermal paste with diamond particles in it. Diamond has highest thermal conductivity from all materials known to humanity, 2200W/(m·K), five times more than pure silver or pure copper.
Not even 3 minutes in and I love this video already. How have I not come across this channel?? Edit: Holy shit this video is already 2 years old :O +1!
One of the best tech channels. Every part of your videos are always so skillfully produced and presented. I especially like the audio. It almost feels like an asmr video :D Anyway, this crazy cooling experiment is something i've always wondered myself
Did you try taking the fans off entirely for a passive solution? I'd love to know if such a thing would even be possible on a 980ti using this method specifically.
You can reduce the coil whine significantly by limiting the maximum rendered frames with Nvidia Inspector to 60/120/144 fps, coil whine is most apparent when the fps are way too high (300+ fps in menus).
effyou128 1. Your prob talking about IDLE TEMPS. Try going full load on the same benchmark used. If you aren't talking about idle temps, you can correct me. 2. Every card isn't the exact same.
This is amazing My CUSTOM LOOP is only 1 deg cooler & have 65mm thick radiator. but... only think I have to point out is with a custom loop your RAM & VRM are also actively cooled
"Technology has shifted toward cooler and quiet" Oh boy 5 years later and that pendulum has swung right back. We're beyond the high power nonsense of the early 2010s too. These things literally come overclocked by the default manufacturer spec now. Ryzen 7000 chips perform extremely strongly at 65w, but the X series was 170w. A fun side effect is that whether you're underclocking the X chips to 65w or overclocking the non-X chips to more... they're basically the same but one costs $100 less lol
Boost hits TDP on my gpu fairly easily, but its old 760 with 170W tdp and getting it down to 80% limit drops fair amount of fps on games like bf1, bf4 where i only get 60-70 fps (down to 40fps). Its worth experimenting with it tho, i undervolted my cpu with stock clock and temps dropped alot without decrease in performance, not sure if you could do same on gpu
@spamme loop i can tell you right now, you can actually throw this heat sink onto a CPU, and not need a fan. how do i know this, because i just built my new PC with the 8700k and the nh-d15 noctua on it. and let me tell you, this heat sink is amazingly overpowered at reducing heat. did my cpu get hotter without the fan, yes but marginally. but as they say, it's better to be safe then sorry, and you can literally get away with 1 120mm fan running.
Very sad that 6 years later nothing has come of this in the consumer space. It would allow for some very elegant and compact case designs with supreme air flow.
@@michubern1444 unfortunately it doesent work on all gpu's just somne of them, you can make it work on others but it involves a lot of risky diy procedures plus the vrm's run hot in that as well.
If any of you want the bracket templates you can download them here: drive.google.com/open?id=10gkGP7LqwUqumcXtO3Z7uuVXUYXh1_DY
hi ! what do you think about the other side of the graphic card ? people tend to say this part doesn't heat a lot or can't be cooled efficiently...
But what about also having one cooler on the other side ? Sure it wo't be quiet anymore but i'm wondering about the benefits from it...
You should test this rig versus water cooling which seems to be more eficient
Look at 3:30 how much thermal paste is used stock. They made sure that everything is covered to the edge. And for good reason. At 3:46 it looks like you might run into problems if that does not squeeze out over the full die. Maybe you want to check that. Otherwise nice build.
C Nonken, totally agree. and @ DIY perks, one "cure" for coil whine in games is to cap your FPS. the harder the card is working the more noise it makes. cap it to your monitors refresh rate, anything higher is really only good for benchmarking or stress testing. stress goes down and noise and temp goes down.
+DIY Perks
I've been doing this kind of thing for over 20 years. Started by mounting old Socket 7 CPU heatsinks to early VooDoo, VooDoo 2, Geforce and ATI Radeon cards and then 80mm fans to overclock and keep them cool. Sound was never a problem back then. If you'd like a better solution for the fan noise try, ironically, smaller fans. Three 120mm fans, all pushing the same direction, should improve airflow and reduce noise.
Ah yes, the 7-slot graphics card.
looks like a 9-slot lol
Great way to fill a case
Oh no, I won't have room to install my modem, sound card, etc... :p
@@middleclassthrash all pci sound cards are shit
@@altlllOlOlOll bruh. Modem. Me thinks he was sacasmic.
Let the fan sit out side the case like a Hot Rod engine.
@Steven genius
He already did, watch the wood and rope pc video
@@micahhurley4146 after all, hot rot engine dont go out either. What you always see are the air intake/supercharger
Your room is the case
Just don't spill anything on it.
ME: thinks it going to be super quiet
Coil Whine: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I didn't know I heard coil whine through my headphone jack until he showed this
cheap TVs also suffer from this, its merely a lack of epoxy or similar fixing on the coil at manufacture, use some gorilla glue or nail polish.
Insta bloody_impact_xt
Yeah but there's no computer case, with the case you hear that a lot less
@@joefish6091 i coated my entire fucking GPU with glue and it did nothing. F
That 3 fan version sounds like a jet engine, but those temps are ridiculous.
forgotn1 easy, make a jet shaped computer case, and put these fans where the engines would be. Bam, awesome decor
Nah, I used to work with jet engines. It's much lower in tone, and therefore easier to become acclimated to. You'll forget about it after half an hour. The high pitched noises have a habit of cutting through background noise easily. It's why you drop everything and go stick your ear up to the case the first time you hear coil whine.
My hearing isn't great anymore, but I'll hear a graphics card fan speed up more easily over background noise than a CPU or case fan any day.
Worth the loud noise.
Ad some fuel, an exhaust and a Roles Royce badge and you are set for traveling
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can you do this again with a 2080ti???? i want to see turbo boost use it and maybe highest OC possible
Same
@@dragonbike471 This cooler is a NH-D14 It is in fact the best cooler ever made for anything related to cpu/apparently gpu cooling. My Amd rig was running at 60C with an AIO corsair h100i v2.. then I put this on it.. and its running at 20C... absolutely amazing cooler with 6 heatpipes and 2 fin sets. Every Computer should be cooled with this exact cooler. It cools better than Water cooling by a LARGE AMOUNT!
That seems a bit hyperbolic to me. Also, there's the NH-D15
@@hashimiyazib the NH-D14 is better because it is universal between Intel and AMD chipsets..
@@rickgrimezz3942 Linus Tech Tips tested this and indeed they found that Noctua did cool better and was in fact a little bit more quiet. I hacked my Zalman 9500 cooler on my i7 2600k and if it is clean it can actually work without a fan. Take a look at this excellent cooler, it uses 3 heatpipes but they act as 6 heatpipes which is pretty neat design.
I've never seen a dude smile so much.... You go dude! I wish my wife would look at me the way you look at this Graphics Card Mod.
bro💀
2018 edition
Released in 2017
Using hardware from 2015
The 980ti is still a very a viable card, can still play current games just fine still at 1440p or 1080p no problem.
True, but still misleading title.
still, its old hardware. and totally not worthy of the 2018 in the title
Says 2018 because he's done this before, and this is the updated version.
Whatever gets views, right?
"In a quiet environment" Im sorry, my gpu fan is too loud..
@Cthulhu HAHA my gpu is broken and ramps up every 10 seconds
@@tbxmb set a manual fan curve, that should work.
@@kalapoikedeviere7962 haha no
@@tbxmb rip
One slight note with this
Gpu heatsinks aren’t only cooling the processor die
They also cool the memory, power delivery, etc especially with modern, and hotter and more performance based cards
Otherwise this is pretty great
his point was the die is the majority of the heat, which was cooled significantly. he did also put a smaller passive cooler over where the original heat sink synced up with those components. those didn't benefit directly from the fans, but would have gotten some of the eddy currents, likely sufficient for their needs
Now mount a GPU fan on the CPU!
i think what you are referring to is a stock cpu fan. they are relatively the same thing, and would give the same results.
demonpride1975 They're in no way shape or form relatively the same thing
yes they are, both stock fans are 70mm fans, the only difference is the casing. on gpus they tend to have a shroud to push the air in the pipe through the heat sink, making it come in contact with the 70mm fans easier.
you want a laptop...
No they arent
GPU heatsinks are aftermarket as the card itself
If the card is founders edition then it would be referred as stock
His accent and voice somehow makes the video even better
Yeah. Somehow I'm taken back to the time where I watch wildlife documentaries on Discovery Channel.. So weird.
hey mia
Its just called real English! US and others are bad slang..
6:55 Wow I can finally play X-Plane with realistic sound!
Lol
Flight Simulator 2020 now, as if it could get any more realistic
V1
Can't hear the silence through my tinnitus. :(
BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP
how high is it for ya, i cant even sleep because its like being in a sworm of 1 000 000 mosquitoes
Here with you 😥
same i have the same gpu and i thought I'd be smart and extend the lifespan of it by using a aggressive fan profile
one year later i started hearing beeps but i didnt realize it was caused by my gpu now 2 years later it has gotten really bad and I dont know what silence is like anymore and worst of all its probably permanent and im only 20 years old :\
@@meowow7518 If it's tinnitus that you are talking about, then go see your doctor. Many things can cause it.
Surprised LTT hasn't done this already
They have, but it'd be a while ago now
"but this is 2017, 980ti is an old piece of garbage now."
- Linus
They moved on to even sillier things
I was about to tweet Linus about this :)
LTT only deals in monster projects that no one has the money for or really bad mods
Just imagine the overclocking possibilities to this monstruos mod.
@M-2 Hydra Go hard or go Home lol
Manufacturers please send your stuff to DIY perks as he does much more interesting things with them than most tech bloggers.....
Lul. This trash talk. Comparing a single TH-camd to a company. Nice
Murilo Zontur no it isn't a fair comparison, because he is a single youtuber producing about 1 quality video per month, meanwhile LTT makes tons of videos with similar quality videos like this about once per month as well.
Webbie it's kinda like buzzfeed, tons of content with mediocre quality to fund some high quality productions/content.
Murilo now you're just going too far man
Would be nice if you could arrange all components (PSU, GPU, RAM, CPU, etc) in a line. A solid row of heat sinks and fans, so that the computer case is effectively a tube. It would be interesting to see
Inductor/choke/coil related noise is an artifact of air surrounding the coil being excited with a beat frequency of the DC to DC POL supplies. I've seen sealed coils which have epoxy/silicon applied to the coil which isolates the air from excitation. Another "trick" is to be sure your fans are mechanically isolated from the mounting points. Putting a shim of foam rubber between the two surfaces is a nice solution. I've even seen mounting screws replaced with rubber pegs such that the rigid attachment, too, can float a bit. If you listen to a fan suspended on rubber bands in open air they are surprisingly quiet. It is often the transfer of mechanical vibration onto a large radiation surfce (think Klipsch speakers) that is the source of the annoyance. --- Alternatively to this hood ornament approach is to construct your own liquid cooling loops. These need not be rigid bent copper tubing. The only thing that needs to be metal is the heat pad affixed to the GPU chip and of course the radiators. If you look at Chinese sources like banggood.com you will find all the bits sold separately to do this. Collecting all the heat and transferring out to a very large radiator with a very large push / pull serrated edge fan (which is very quiet and can move at slower RPM's) is a simple and elegant solution. As it is connected by hoses it really need not be co-resident in the enclosure. Of course this is for a permanent installation and not for your rig where you expect to change configuration a dozen times a year. Cheers!
PLEASE NOCTUA make for us GPU's
I wonder if Noctua could make reference cards actually silent and maybe run even cooler?
@@hadis5160 They could. The problem is this only works with Mini-ITX boards that are mounted inversely. Just like in this video. The heatpipes only work if mounted upwards or sidewards. If you mount them downwards, there will almost be zero heat transfer. So you need a case specifically for this and then you need mounting brackets for all the different PCB layouts you want to support. And also, with Mini-ITX, dual GPU is out of the picture.
@@P8qzxnxfP85xZ2H3wDRV can you suggest me an itx case for this setup?
@@onurcandemirbilek4874 Maybe you should look at cases from Streacom. I think you'd be able to modify those to fit the needs of high end components. To do it well, you'd need some good equipment and expensive machines though.
@@onurcandemirbilek4874 I just remembered something else. If you choose a graphics card, have close look at cards with vapor chambers. Some models of KFA2 have vapor chamber blocks, which you could modify by carefully milling it, to accept a CPU cooler. The advantage would be that you have a full block covering the VRMs and in general vapor chambers perform better than heatpipes.
One of the rules in thermo design is to use heatpipes for transporting heat across distances and to use vapour chambers to spread out heat into a bigger area.
My god that coil whine is BAD.
Thomas Galea Yeah, but that's how most GPUs with high TDPs are, and occasionally midrange GPUs like the 970 have been notorious for loud coil whine.
Thomas Galea you should hear the 970. The coil whine is so bad that you can hear it above the fans when they're at full load
omg I finally found what was making that noise
Heard EVGA has pretty bad coil whine issues with the older generation cards
PNY is freaking bad too. I wanted to build a silent PC, but the PNY GtX 970 kills it for me.
"This is a super power-hungry card that has a tdp of 250W"
Me sitting here thinking about the 3090's tdp of 400W
And if you don't have a 850 w psu it'll trip and switch off
I think this method might not work for RTX3090 since it focuses on only GPU, not VRAM and MOSFET, which are super hot.
Dream on about the 3090.. No one needs or can afford that anyway, even if it was in stock.. Ridiculous card! And as it is air-cooled already, of course it can be done!
And it you actually watch the video before commenting and being a now-it-all, you would see that he cools the vrm and other components to.. better than most backplates.
To remove the coil whine you will have to fix the offending coils. First you locate them. It shouldn't be too hard by ear, but peessing down on the component hard with your finger should make it shut up. Next you have to minimize the vibrations. You can either pot the coil or replace it. To pot the coil you desolder it and put it in epoxy potting compound in a vacuum chamber. There's a quite ingenious $20 vacuum chamber video on youtube. This could be a great project on its own. The guy makes the vacuum chamber out of a glass jar he puts on a wooden cutting board. He drills the vacuum line in the wood! The gasket is made by pouring silicon under a ring of rubber he cut out around the circumference of the jar. Another option is to find a replacement coil. You send it to an electronics engineer with a good RLC bridge who gives you the specs and you find a similar coil with the largest possible physical dimensions. Or smallest. Try a few, they're not expensive. Maybe you can buy ones already potted. Note that this has a higher chance of burning down your card but also if you figure out what coil to buy then the viewers will find it easier to follow this (as they just need to buy the part at eg mouser).
Finally the coil might be whining because it transfers transients that it doesn't have to. Try bypassing it with low esr capacitors. The circuit should be like this: coil - 0.01 ohm resistor - capacitor bank - electronic load (gpu chip etc). The capacitor bank should have an ESR of less than 0.001 ohms up to 40 kHz, which is not easily covered by one capacitor, so you will need to get multiple, and get them characterised with an ESR vs freq curve that does at least ~5 points per octave. A datasheet only does 1-2 points TOTAL over full freq range so you need to do this measurement yourself. You need a goodish bridge for that (it'll cost upwards of 1000€ so find someone who has one with that capability, or build one out of an audio interface and bridge circuit).
I would advise you to try two coolers. One on the backside of the graphics card. You will not believe it but in my silent pc builds this made a noticeable difference on a cpu - using just a small cooler - so a gpu should be even better since there is no socket inbeteeen. Use one of those rubber ish thermal conductive mats to mount the backside cooler. I think you should see a drop of 5-10 degrees at least. And make sure the card is vertical, so no hot air is trapped underneath. That can make a huge difference. Use an equally large cooler for the backside to give it the same kind of chance of functioning as the front side cooler.
Finally, i think the heatspreader you left on the card might be keeping it warm.
cheater00 Woah! I'd love to see you do videos... I'm reminded of Louis Rossman
Nick Burak if i had the gear to do that i would. A bit too broke to go buying this sorta gear for projects though! It's not /expensive/ but it's not exactly free, either.
i will love to see your system, i was trying to make the same thing that DIY Perks did in this video, with 2 phanteks PH-TC14PE red color, but without a second cooler on the other side of the cpu and gpu.
www.vortez.net/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=10730
please, can you link your PC?
negroyeah my current (old) pc uses a Thermaltake IFX 10 cooler. It's been discontinued years ago. Nowadays i would just use a second cooler on the back. If i had the cash to spend on this i would immediately build a simple system like an i3 as a proof of concept in order to show it to other people here on youtube.
looking for the model you gave me, i find this(in the right):
bit.ly/2Auck6D [pure madness]
here is my pc, i have little space in my case:
bit.ly/2z2yP0q
graphics card: evga ssc 1060 3gb
the only sound i can hear, it's from the psu.
About stopping the "Coil Whine", you can cover the effected component (s) with RTV Silicon, or look at the part# and purchase a new one. Proceed at your own risk, and don't try it, if you can't solder well.
This sounds like a pretty good idea. I'm not sure how effective it would be compared to something like potting it in epoxy, since the sounds are high-pitched and quiet. But it would certainly be the easiest option.
Also a power supply has a big role in coil whine.
@@DrZmesky I have seen PSU's cause different cards to make noise, but one thing I've learned is that "usually" (not always) when they start whining, and a PSU swap won't fix it, then replacing the coil is pretty much your only option. (aside from replacing the entire card, but who can afford that these days? lol)
I had good quality psu - no coil whine, then i replaced it with cheaper one and the coil whine was crazy. Then I have bought another good quality psu and the coil whine was still there but practically inaudible. Thats my experience. And the cheap psu whined itself too.
@@DrZmesky coil whine SLI
5:25 How about having the 3rd fan on the top blowing the warm air up and away?
Probably wouldnt make much of a difference since the air disperses anyway
not blowing, extracting
Harvard: Mfckr u want a scholarship?
@@muneebrana4022 Hard to say - depends on existing air-flow and the point on the dissipation curve which highly non-linear.
It could help if thermal co-efficient (theta SA) is lower than desired.
Hard to say - depends on existing air-flow and the point on the dissipation curve which is highly non-linear.
It could help if thermal co-efficient (theta SA) is lower than desired.
I love that you are getting sponsored equipment.
CloakedCedric .... spotted the goiym
I saw Noctua fans and I clicked.
Jonathan Taylor I did the exact same thing
Huh really? I don't see why.
Noiseblocker Eloop would also be a good reason to click. Or bequiet! SilentWings. Or the fact it's a video from DIY Perks^^
They are pretty overrated. Im using Scythe Fuma SCFM-1000 and its fucking amazing ! (i5-3570k OC from 3,4 -> 4,4GHz and im not going over 58°C with 100% Load..!)
Av3nTad0R _ LG fuck off with your foreign chinese fans lmao
Its been 5 years since u uploaded this video and m imagining how rtx 4090 can be cooled using this method 😂. 4090’s already have a big chunk of heatsink on it.
I loove how thorough and scientific you are. You even included the room tone.
Amazing.
Thanks for the videos!
i want to see the same configuration in SLI
use 2 riser
Got a half metre long SLI cable?
So the motherboard is going to be the size of a dinner table or a really, really really long pcie extender
@@timsaquariums2765 When you're going to all that trouble, you might as well just go with water cooling for the GPUs.
@@coops3600 Linus Tech Tips already ran the benchmarks and the Noctua air coolers blow every AIO water cooler out of the water on both temps and noise. The only thing better is an expensive custom loop.Or Coriant has a dielectric fluid that you can just submerge your whole rig in. lol th-cam.com/video/PvmMs6mU0NU/w-d-xo.html
That naked ITX rig looks awesome. :-o Maybe you could create a case based on your test rig?
@DIYPerks The Coil Whine can me mitigated by using thermal pads on the inductors and power delivery. The pads work as sound and vibration absorbers from the components. That is one of the reasons why card manufacturers use them instead of thermal paste/glue. Now I will warn you this method will not get rid of "all" of the coil whine but it should reduce it enough to where it will be "mostly" inaudible.
I love your vids, and wish you would upload more, but I understand you have other things going on.
From what you can understand about GPU heatsinks that use axial fans to ventilate the heatsinks, the fans send air to the fins, making the air hot, and this hot air (or at least part of it) goes straight to the GPU board. In other words, it's something stupid. The heat from the graphics processor returns to the video card, which is why there are such cards with very high operating temperatures. This idea of using a CPU dissipation tower on a GPU, where the heat is completely removed from its source, is a real renovation for the equipment, it gives that thermal clearance that the hardware needs so much.
I just think that the main thing in a hardware cooling system is how much heat it can dissipate, and not about having as little noise as possible. But there are many "princess ears" out there, and companies have been adapting to this. Of course, no one wants to use an EDF to cool the PC case, but the ideal is to use fans with a lot of air flow, which is essential for good heat dissipation in air coolers and water-cooled radiators. .
The coil whine can be reduced or even eliminated with epoxy, just make sure it doesnt conduct electricity.
Care to elaborate?
basically, you pot the coils in epoxy so they vibrate a lot less.
1:41 The perfect form-factor. Please make a video for building a case in that size :)
4:31 This form-factor is pretty nice too.
r/DesignPorn it just fit so perfectly
When I first build my PC recently I was surprised how loud coil whine is on cards. I don't have a screechy loud whine, but it is definitely audible, more so than the fans themselves. It's in particular noisey on full load (high clock speed) and full power draw. EVGA RTX 2070 Super. Runs at 1930-1880Mhz. At the spec sheet base clock of 1605 it would be completely inaudible.
You should try Thermal Grizzly Conductornaut!
And get a PWM mini adapter you can hook up to the GPU and can set a manual curve!
Also mind sharing the bracket design for NH-D14 pls?
Now this would be interesting to test on a Vega 64 card 🤔
LiteGaming Vega would be interesting yes becaus of the big package of Die and HBM2 Ram... also the VRM is the most overpowered on the market so i don't think coill whine would be a problem...also it is a hot card 😁
LiteGaming but liquid metal would be dangerous, saw builds where it spreads to wide an leaked out of the package and conducted stuff on the motherboard... not worth it with expensive Hardware...
Jan-Christopher Estelmann liquid metal is fairly safe... Don't over apply it and you will be fine
i know 😆 used it a lot
Why don't you just coat the surrounding PCB it with an epoxy or non-conductive layer (do test a sample for a while with a drop of LM on it to see if it reacts)? I waterproof my cards for sub-zero cooling (then again, it may run 24 hours straight until I have to defrost my system, I need some heaters on the coolant hoses I guess, the rest of the insulation has heaters to prevent ice up, but I guess I need to make a nichrome heater for the refrigerant lines insulation).
This may sound ridiculous, but the best and cheapest method i found to keep your pc running cool(especially if you live in hotter climate zones) is taking a regular 20 inch x 20 inch house hold fan and putting it on the side of your pc. To do this you can find the fan at any walmart or target for 19.99, then you will need to buy a AC filter screen at the same stores for around 6.99, find the thinnest one and then when you gather the materials, take the side panel off of your pc by unscrewing the thumb screws, then put the AC filter on the side of your rig via tape or maybe in some cases it will fit just right, then press the fan on the side of your pc right against the filter, the filter is applied to block any unwanted dust, hair etc( its a ac filter it pretty much traps anything), then when you start gaming set the fan speed to 1(usually 20 dollar house fans come with 3 speeds) if you really play games that demand a lot of your gpu and cpu then set the speed to 2 or 3, this has been very efficient, my rig under the stress of many triple A titles has been running at around 55 degrees C after hours it goes up to 60 and for my gpu it goes to 57 degrees C and after hours its in the mid 60s
Keep in mind this is not a very great cosmetic choice if you are trying to show off your build/case, but the alternatives are watercooling and expensive cpu fans,(that wont do much if your case lacks airflow, all together this setup costs around 30 dollars and has the same efficiency of a 150 dollar water cooler, plus the benefits of not only cooling your cpu but also any ram, gpu,ssd, or hhd you may have installed. The only down side is the noise but if you play with headphones its practically unnoticeable. (im not listing cosmetics as a flaw because it doesn't bother me that much). If you guys try this out, then have fun gaming at cool temps no more worries about overheating your rig!
I did the same for years, minus the AC filter screen. My case had horrible airflow, so you can imagine how much better it got when the cooling was only limited by the room temperature. If someone is on a budget, the ends justify the means in this case, at least in my opinion.
It's effective, I suppose, but this guy is primarily about silence rather than low temperatures.
Genius! Let's put a giant rotating electromagnetic field right next to the computer! Throw in a healthy dose of vibration! Gold!
Hey! I wonder why my hard drives keep crapping out on me?!?
Nice different idea i like to try it once where can i find like this kind videos for setup
@@bower95 Hey brainac, any PC fan has the same magnetic fields in them and they're mounted directly over the sensitive components, and yet here we are.
Geez some people just don't use their gray matter.
Im tempting to do this, since temperature really bugging me off. And the aesthetics look isnt my priority. Great idea sir 👍
aesthetics don't matter when efficiency is what we're talking about
Of course its cooler...it's 5 times the size lol
Shh, dont spoil it!
THe most important part is that it is also way way more silent.
I'm not any cooler even though I'm 5 times the size of Snoop Dogg
Make the Cooler flat like of a normal GPU, then it will be not that much bigger..
Okay but it’s more than doable and tons of people would buy thick two or three slot cooler to get a whopping 23 degrees shaven off
I broke my cheapo GT640 fan a while back, fingers and blades don't go well together, anyway I thought that gpu was destined for the bin, wasn't going to buy another fan for it, but decided to keep it just in case. So anyway fast forward and I needed a graphics card to power a basic screen for a server box, didn't need anything special, dug out the gt640, and guess what a standard clip on Intel CPU fan fitted perfectly on the MSI GT640 heatsink. Perfect!
You could make a video out of it
I love the videos. ... not a stupid face made, not one thing done in the name of grandstanding for subs.... just informative well thought, well spoken ideas. Bravo
Even overclocking can reduce coil whine. Typically simply changing power usage can improve things
Newest GPUs like GTX1080Ti use ridicously huge heatsinks, but they'e heavy, bulky, sagging etc.
I think if you want silent PC you should go for EK's budget water cooling kit(called A240G or something like that), it costs as much as two noctua air coolers.
I have a GTX 970 G1 in a corsair carbide spec 3 overclocked, even the stock fans I have are reasonably quiet and used the whisper quiet fans on the case. Big issues I have with the newer GPUs is the damn length! Plus as you point out they are indeed heavy and sagging. Took a lot of fiddling with it to get the GPU to sit in right and this is my thing with them which is putting a custom heat system on no issue but they likely are going to need a custom case to do so, I am still weary of moving anything inside even when cleaning because you always wonder if you nudge something is the GPU going to shift lol. I was going to go with water cooling but having to clean, refill the thing every few months sounds like way too much effort.
I just use this to prevent sagging, works like a charm.
www.coolermaster.com/case/case-accessories/universal-graphics-card-holder-2-supports/
Anarchy Antz the newer gpu's come in the same size has your 9gen card tho...they have longer cards yes (so does 9gen) but they aren't all massive
Get a gpu brace if your worried about sagging and some of the acrylic ones can look really nice
@@johnwheels89 Tell that to my MSI Gaming X Trio... thing is almost 12 inches long, over two and half slots thick and has 3 fans.
Conect it to your refrigerator to improve cooling, noise and space.
lol
Ever heard of condensation?
I also hope motherboard manufacturers experiment with the PCI-E socket orientations and angles for small form factors :) I would love to see the card and mainboard side by side and two stacks of heatsinks. That way you could possibly have two big heatsinks as your side panel off the shelf ;D
You only need 1 fan in this setup. 3 fans won't add any significant benefit, as they're moving only about 5% more air compared to the single (center) fan setup.
Also, good that you thought of cooling the memory or transistors or so. If forgotten, the card would most surely break.
You also added 2 fans blowing the air towards the center. This decreases efficiency.
It's better to have both fans blow the air outside, so the entire heat sink will receive cool air.
In the case of 2 fans blowing inside, the hot air in the center, will warm up the heat sink by a few degrees.
Coil whine could potentially be changed or removed by changing the power output the card needs.
In Linux this is easily done by the command:
#Sudo nvidia-smi -i 0 -pl 150
Where '0' stands for the card slot number, and '150' stands for the wattage you wish the card to run on.
Most cards can go from 200+ watts to about 125W minimum.
Lowering wattage, does lower performance, but in many cases you can take 20-33% of power off, without any noticeable performance hit in most games or computations.
Especially when paired with an overclock.
The only thing you will notice, is that many cards will run at least 10 to 15 degrees C cooler, with the same cooling setup.
Only bla bla bla... Have you made the same tests as he did? i guess not...
@@largpack I got 10 likes, which means I must be saying things your peabrain just simply can't comprehend...
you sir are having good point but I would put 2 fans on each heat sink to blow away from each other, 1 fan configuration always pushes some heated air from 1st heat sink to 2nd heat sink which would result in imbalanced cooling
@@paveldrumev2117 Indeed, but it is more efficient (energy saving) than 3 fans.
Honestly, using extension cables, or an L-corner for the pins with rotated triple-slot backplate for the case, separate from the backplate openings for the other accessories. To be perfectly honest, by setting a standard distance between normally-mounted graphics card and CPU, it would be possible to have the heatsinks for both the CPU and the GPU shared, for higher efficiency of air cooling, even if they are side by side (i.e. air goes from the front of the case through the CPU heatsink then through the GPU heatsink then goes out through the back of the case), but ideally also having the option to have both heatsinks shared for lowering costs for similar performance.
next time try the rx vega 64 300w tdp
I got one laying around and am supposed to build a waterblock on it. Might aswell test a CPU cooler first, esp. since the AMD driver provides RAM temps aswell which gives me a little concern on this mod.
Gimme dat Ti Why not use a R9 Fury X
Gimme dat Ti or R9 295x2 with 500W
Or even better the R9 395x2 580W tdp
295x2 is a duel GPU, so that will limit the CPU heatsink size. Fury X is already AIO cooled and runs below 60c (and the Fury non-X runs about 60c at 30% fan speeds and is inaudible, unless you are running over 300 fps, in which case around 1000 fps it screeches and hisses like a tea kettle on one of the 3d mark benchmarks. I think its sort of cool, I call it the "audible FPS counter")
love this idea...can you do another video with rtx 2080ti? really curious....what could that pull out
dont worry, gonna get the same crashes with any cooler! ;)
@@mass1985 have it for months,no issues
Never bought a Nvidia product, no issues.
@@eg12p34 lmao
@@mass1985 Have it for issues, no months
I did it. Thanks for great idea. I bought cheap cooler for one old graphics card. Now my temps are little above ambient with only case airflow. Great idea!
It would be cool if they made the cards prepared for this kind of diy customization to minimize the amount of changes made to the card. Make it the most plug and play as possible and it will be great.
Things aren't made for people, they're made to meet specs (cases, sheets of paper from the wanketing department). If you want boutique stuff, you gotta pay even more.
Using an AIO cooler will keep your temps in the low-mid 40's, and still be pretty quiet.. also much easier to mount in a case. I get though that this is pretty much a proof of concept kind of video, and I certainly dig it.
i will buy one aio can you suggest me the best
@@ferrariifxx9983 It depends on what CPU you're using, and what case, since you need to be able to mount the radiator somewhere. I'm using an NZXT Kraken x62 280mm radiator on my AMD Threadripper, and it does a great job (idles around 26 degrees).
You can get 120mm radiators, 240, 360, 140, 280 & 420. Just depends on how much cooling you want, how much $$ you want to spend, and again, what kind of case you have so you can mount the radiator. Most cases will at least support a 120mm though, and they do a pretty good job even at that size.
Rtx 4000 cards are going to be up to 5 slots, so basically yeah they're going to do this
For COIL WHINE I don't recommend messing with removal (mentioned below) as that's difficult and hardly a guarantee of success... You should start by isolating the area if possible by pushing down on the various components with a piece of plastic or whatever makes sense.. since coil whine is an audible frequency physically dampening the area should help...
Some components can be dampened with glue, and others need something to be clamped down hard. It's a bit of trial and error.
Jeffrey Photonboy yeah, let me just put glue all over my GPU. That'll make it real quiet, as in, no longer running quiet.
Snuffles lmao
To the people asking why doesnt he water cool it, water pumps with fans make noise too, and in my opinion, this is more fun and funny to see, it's also called DIY so a reason to make use of your old hardware. If it was called Buy it yourself and he stuck a water cooler on it then made a video.. well that's why you're not making these videos and he is.
There are few possible issues worth noting with a setup like that.
1. Protection bracket could prevent cooler base from contacting with actual gpu die
2. The die itself could be easyally chipped of by the weight of a cooler if mounted unevenly
3. Cards without build-in heatspreader require extra cooling on memory chips and specially on power bus
4. Weight and size, most motherboards and cases aren't designed for this
1:01 Vega 64 is smiling. ;)
Make a video about how you have that motherboard mounted to the power supply for that test bench. I think more people would be interested then you think.
This what we need in the mainstream. Legit a form factor that should exist. And there should be cases to accommodate.
The coil whine is present when the fps is really high. The best solution is to go to the settings of the program and limit the fps to where you cannot hear the whine. Otherwise toggling on vsync is good enough, but ideally this method only for monitors with a 60hz refresh rate.
what a dumb reply
How is it 'dumb' mate?
said the guy who made sure there is a dumb reply in the first place ;-)
no but seriously, decreasing the FPS is the best way to eliminate coil whine.
coil whine is caused by the mosfets and diodes, you could perplace the mosfet and the the diodes to better ones, but thats actually really risky, better would be to put a power delivery board from hardcore overclockers, this one simply bypasses the cards normal power delivery
i think was actually even a video about it on LTT explaining coil whine, and their conclusion was to simply crank up your setting to have 60fps, or use a frame limiter. limiting the frames would have the advantage of lower GPU temperatures, but with this giant cooler it's just silly.
if you put your GPU in an enclosure and insulate the sound a bit with foam, the coil whine is going to disappear.
Nicely said :)
Bob Smith artificially decreasing the performance of a graphics card so the coil whine is going to be less obnoxious is pretty much the dumbest shit I can imagine, no offense
After seeing this video I was possessed to buy a cheap noctua DH-14 on Ebay and put it on my GTX1070. Was honestly moderately difficult; without my plethora of screws and my workshop it wouldn't have been possible. Spent an hour drilling and tapping the heatplate on my gpu after I desoldered the original fins and heatpipes with a dab torch. Used some spare screws from ghosts of pc builds past and got it on there solidly. I could have had an easier time if I waited for my backplate to arrive in the mail but I was too impatient. It arrived a day later and I haven't put it on yet though I'll get around to it.
At 100% load for an hour I only got 62C on the GPU despite it only being passively cooled. I've got fans to put on it but I was interested in it's ability to passively cool itself. I am happy to report that a NH-D14 is indeed able to passively cool an overclocked 1070.
imgur.com/a/sXk4WIr
Passive cooling with a million case fans.
@@gearfriedtheswmas Yeah, it's a Corsair Air 540 case after all.
The GPU runs even cooler with the sides on. Case fans direct decent airflow over the noctuas. Putting fans directly on
The goal of this wasn't to passively cool anything though. It was just something that turned out to be possible. Passive cooling/worrying about sound levels of computer parts is for neurotic aspies imo.
Brother i have a Gtx 1070 SC version. And i have it in a tower FS0 CMT510 and i was thinking to do this. My question is I am abit scared the card might break because of the weight of the cooler and fans and i want to use rgb fans on it so it will look cooler and how can i mount it properly on it. Would love it if u could guide
@@nathannotimportant9379 i also have a i7 3770 non k version kindly guide
Right on duder, email me at nathansudkamp@gmail.com and I'll give you a run-down of what I did.
@@hoxstudios7978
Thank you! I've also constructed one myself now. Additionally, it serves the purpose of warming my hands as I can direct the warm air wherever I need it.
So it's settled then, put a nh-d14/15 on everything to make it cooler. Well done.
That is very efficient man. Respect for the mod :)
What massively improves passive cooling is thermal paste with diamond particles in it. Diamond has highest thermal conductivity from all materials known to humanity, 2200W/(m·K), five times more than pure silver or pure copper.
Not even 3 minutes in and I love this video already. How have I not come across this channel??
Edit: Holy shit this video is already 2 years old :O
+1!
yes
Holyshit
I think this video needs a 4090 update
Coil whine mainly happens only at very high framerates. With vsync (or with games that are very heavy to render) it generally doesn't happen.
hahahahah i had an 970 it was whineing al the time i have a 2080 and its also whining
What a great mod and video! You should design your own case. And try selling those CNC mounts on Etsy or something.
shut up and take my money
One of the best tech channels. Every part of your videos are always so skillfully produced and presented. I especially like the audio. It almost feels like an asmr video :D Anyway, this crazy cooling experiment is something i've always wondered myself
wow the amount of creativity even on 2022 almost 2023
Great video! Could you show us VRM temps before and after changes?
Did you try taking the fans off entirely for a passive solution? I'd love to know if such a thing would even be possible on a 980ti using this method specifically.
Tom S. Undervolting/underclocking would probably be necessary 250w tdp
Would love to see a video where you put CPU coolers onto a laptop's CPU & GPU
Great stuff! Perhaps try the PCI-E extender cable and mount the GPU in a baffled case to cut out the coil whine frequencies?
You can reduce the coil whine significantly by limiting the maximum rendered frames with Nvidia Inspector to 60/120/144 fps, coil whine is most apparent when the fps are way too high (300+ fps in menus).
Or you could just Leave the card alone I get 56c stock over clocked same fucking card! His temps are bullshit!
Your brain is bullshit.
effyou128
1. Your prob talking about IDLE TEMPS. Try going full load on the same benchmark used. If you aren't talking about idle temps, you can correct me.
2. Every card isn't the exact same.
This is amazing My CUSTOM LOOP is only 1 deg cooler & have 65mm thick radiator. but... only think I have to point out is with a custom loop your RAM & VRM are also actively cooled
Wait, since when did Obi-Wan go from being a Jedi to this?
I demand answers!
Obi-Wan? This is Theon Greyjoy!
Now overclock that gpu to the most it has ever seen and post top scores
Not what this is about at all.. not everyone cares about bragging right, get a life!
You seemed very optimistic about this and this is a great video. It's really cool, I wish I had some knowledge so I could try something similar.
Try a downforce cpu cooler, something that can possibly fit in some normal configurations but is robust enough to affect temps.
now do this again with an unlocked 4090 at 600W...
BOOM?
"Technology has shifted toward cooler and quiet"
Oh boy 5 years later and that pendulum has swung right back.
We're beyond the high power nonsense of the early 2010s too. These things literally come overclocked by the default manufacturer spec now.
Ryzen 7000 chips perform extremely strongly at 65w, but the X series was 170w.
A fun side effect is that whether you're underclocking the X chips to 65w or overclocking the non-X chips to more... they're basically the same but one costs $100 less lol
Read yout comment again bro it feels like you're sending a message in the past XD
Was a beautiful mod. Thanks my friend, I will try this soon. Take care.
Jorge Mejía Díaz be carefull with delidding gpu man 🅱️
Passive? did it work without any fans?
Mark Brown the heatsink isn't really fit for that.
Tomáš Pružina still makes the fins to close to eachother.
Tomáš Pružina wasnt stock power up to 250w? dropping down to 100w would probably make gpu almost unusable one gaming
Boost hits TDP on my gpu fairly easily, but its old 760 with 170W tdp and getting it down to 80% limit drops fair amount of fps on games like bf1, bf4 where i only get 60-70 fps (down to 40fps).
Its worth experimenting with it tho, i undervolted my cpu with stock clock and temps dropped alot without decrease in performance, not sure if you could do same on gpu
@spamme loop i can tell you right now, you can actually throw this heat sink onto a CPU, and not need a fan. how do i know this, because i just built my new PC with the 8700k and the nh-d15 noctua on it. and let me tell you, this heat sink is amazingly overpowered at reducing heat. did my cpu get hotter without the fan, yes but marginally. but as they say, it's better to be safe then sorry, and you can literally get away with 1 120mm fan running.
Great video! interesting use of a giant CPU cooler on a tiny little GPU lol it looks awesome.
very professional thanks o7
incidentally my 980Ti runs @1400 mhz all day under 40'c custom water loop ; )
Costum water loop? You got water cooling for GPU only? :D
4:33 we finally discovered cold fusion is possible xDDDD
I salute to such pioneers of experimenting! Endorsed and subscribed!
Fake video, there's no sun ☀ in England ;D
Everest Destination im quite sure its his light panel again.Fake sun confirmed
Alvis Gwa illuminati flat earth spotted :D
he doesnt need the sun, he has his crazy full spectrum leds
I bet that's why he keeps buying those "sun light" LEDs! He must've replaced all his windows with those panels!
Serious question here, is it usually cloudy with little sun in England? Cuz from what I've seen online, it's usually like that. Never been there so...
do this in 2024 mate - rtx 4090 or 7900 xtx
U have kept improving drastically!!? Awesome work Matt
250 watts was a lot back then? wtf
Please do an overclocking comparison stock cooler vs cpu cooler.
Pearson James i put a h110igtx on my 1080 gpu and get 49deg max at load. Am Overclock doesn't make any noticeable difference.
And fry VRM and VRAM...
If it didn't have their own heat syncs.. Yes maybe if you tuned the vram speed up too.
Very sad that 6 years later nothing has come of this in the consumer space. It would allow for some very elegant and compact case designs with supreme air flow.
kraken has a kit for this
@@michubern1444 unfortunately it doesent work on all gpu's just somne of them, you can make it work on others but it involves a lot of risky diy procedures plus the vrm's run hot in that as well.
I can imagine the sag when installed horizontally into a case
The sag, but I was wondering about the physics. Would the heat sinks and air tubes work horizontally?
I love all the people who don’t get why he did this. lol 😂
Hey! I come here for LED's! :)
When your too poor for water cooling...
When you're too busy to learn English grammar
I don't get it, explain me
Cuz he thought it would be fun lol
Great! thanks, I know, I never will do such thing, but I love to see this kind of experiments!