@Peter Stevenson It sure should be a pinned comment. Wresting today is a joke compared to what it once was. Guys that are 'Top Guys' in todays business wouldn't have even been able to be jobbers 20-40 years ago. Why? Vanilla Midgets basically.
You don't have to be 6'4 to be a main event star, but at least have a great physique and have personality to make up for the lack of height. If you can be 5'11 and be jacked with a ton of charisma/personality, you are fine. Heck, if you have to wear some Elevator Shoes to add a few inches while having a great physique, that would be even better cuz not everyone has the genetics. Most guys today don't realize how important "presentation" is
@@almightycinder it's because he is toned and barely does a power move. Balor, Cole, O'Reily all seem pretty small. Now if you really want to see a smaller guy who can hang with giants then it's AJ Styles. He has power moves, he has submission, he has high flying moves and most of all when he wrestles it looks like he is trying to win the match not put on a performance.
They’d be playing big rig sounds while he did spots in the ring. They’d make him wear a trucker hat and be an all around buffoon. Big Daddy Cool wouldn’t be a thing. Every promo would be littered with trucker lingo to really hammer home that his name is Diesel.
Tbh they mostly mocked he said it about the lying, cheating, stealing, Mamacita loving Latino heat Eddie Guerrero. When Eddie was like the furthest thing from a vanilla wrestler, Eddie was charismatic as hell.
It is a term that is insulting, but a clear observation when used properly. A lot of people get stuck on the midget part referring to height, but they gloss over the vanilla part that refers to appeal/star power. You may be able to get by being one or the other, but being both is not good.
@@AlphaProto Kevin Nash isn't the one who should call anyone boring. He was boring as shit himself. Big injury prone doofus only stayed relevant all those years because of NWO
Benoit was short and bland personality wise but he was still believable cause of how aggressive he was and he still had a great physique. As for Jericho and Eddie being vanilla,they had more personality and charisma in their fingers than Nash did in his whole body.
I always like Benoit's personality on screen. He's one of those guys that needed a manager or a team with him, so he could just stand in the background, look mean and flex.
Nash is one of the most charismatic and entertaining personalities in all of wrestling. The funny thing is, when he first said the vanilla midget comment it was in WCW, it was about Benoit, Eddie, and Dean and at the time, those 3 were pretty bland. Eddie didn't really break through with a personality until he got to the WWF. A lot of those guys were vanilla but to try and say Jericho and Eddie had way more personality and charisma than Nash is just ridiculous. Yeah they had better matches, that was pretty much it.
@@chrisarctor The problem is that he's only charismatic and entertaining *off* screen. On TV he was a boring worker and pretty immobile because he didn't train legs
Gargano is great he's more charismatic than some others and he can have a great match w anyone. I dont like his current character however,he was more effective as a babyface in the feud w ciampa
@@thesmogo the steroids were dangerous though. They were gonna kill Benoit if it weren't for him killing himself with his family. It gave him an enlargened heart.
If lack of a neck on Benoit (just a head setting on a pile of muscle) didnt let people know he could go then, when he got in the ring he was more then a handful.
Facts! he legit the toughest small guy WWE ever produced. So intense! And could pick up anyone. Him and Eddie Guerrero is the reason small guys were given a chance in WWE
He was a beast. When someone made some open challenge and his music hit, you see their face drop. He made guys bigger look real small once he got his hands on them.
HE was THE WOLVERINE. The most comic book accurate Logan should have been Benoit. The height, physique, the facial hair. Would have loved to see him in the 1st X-MEN film...
He's probably like 5'10 or shorter tbh. If he had a better physique then his height or look wouldn't be too much of a glaring issue. Shawn Michaels wasn't all that tall but he had an incredible physique, same with Stone Cold.
@@MrJjburgess11 Yeah, guys back then cared about their presentation cuz that's all people are gonna see on the posters. Any of those guys would be big stars in today's wrestling.
@Aaron Lassiter Oh yeah I remember that visual, Cole really needs to bulk up and wear some elevator shoes (If he can work in them) to boost his height.
Corny nails it right on the head; Nash used it as a blanket term rather than applying it to those who actually deserve it who over-rely on moves and don't have enough character and personality (i.e a third of the NXT roster, 50% of the AEW, and most of the modern indies)
Chris Benoit was short but was incredibly well built.He had similar stature and physique to Mike Tyson. Benoit looked legit. Most of these AEW guys hell no they dont look like legit athletes that could f someone up.
I love Benoit, but he wasn't "well built". He was on steroids. This Johnny Gargano guy looks natural. That's the difference. Still, he does look like an athlete, anyone who says otherwise is delusional.
Agreed, Jim. Mike Mondo: 5' 7", 5' 8" maybe, 212 lbs, good on the mic and can do a bit of everything. Perry Saturn: 5' 11", approximately 230 lbs, co-invented a double-team finisher and had a memorable look, just wasn't the best talker. Homicide: 5' 10", 220 lbs, not the best talker, but got over thanks to the right gimmick. MCMG: 5' 10" each, 420 lbs combined, got over cause they could do a bit of everything and both of them could talk. Davey Richards: 5' 8", 202 lbs, had a great look, technically good in the ring and could talk, even Low Ki has an intimidating look for a smaller guy!
People don’t understand that Nash loved working with the younger smaller guys in TNA. He wasn’t just “friends” with them on screen he was friends backstage with them as well. Alex Shelly, Chris Sabin, Jay lethal, he helped them find their gimmicks. He knew how hard working and talented they were and he just wanted to help them get over more with the fans. He gave Jay lethal the black machismo gimmick with Randy savages blessing and Jay went from a talented young guy no one cared about to the biggest star of the X division and beat Kurt angle. He got the motor city machine guns together and gave them that edgy attitude everyone loved. And when team 3D legit injured Chris Sabin and didn’t protect him during a match he laid into them hard back stage for not looking out for younger guys
If it’s used to describe someone like Eddie Guerrero or Chris Benoit then I completely disagree. If it’s used to describe someone like Johnny Gargano or Humberto Carrillo then hell yes I agree.
When Eddie and Chris were against bigger dudes, I genuinely forget there was a size difference because they could convince everyone that it was an even match.
They weren't vanilla but they were small and ratings actually went down when Eddie was champ so he dropped it to JBL. Eddie was entertaining and he was world championship worthy but those guys can never be made to look dominant in front of someone like Lesnar, Austin or Rock. As soon as their underdog story is over they lose steam.
Wait of all names you could mention? Humberto Carillo? I saw this guy on raw recently....he's definitely vanilla but that could also be because of the language barrier. He's not a midget though, he isn't small at all. He's billed at 6'1 even if he's an inch or 2 smaller than that he's still a lot bigger then the other guys you mentioned.
I loved watching Dean Malenko in the ring; he was the model of precision and finesse. His personality wasn't obvious in promos, but it came through in spades while he was wrestling - despite his lack of size, his ability convincingly portrayed the idea that he could pick absolutely anyone apart and make them tap out between the ropes.
For the most part the best wrestlers are balanced and have it all. The look. Can wrestle and are good on the mic. But imo sometimes guys aren't as balanced but are really, really good at one of the criteria. Malenko was so good in the ring I didn't care about that he wasn't as big as the others. He was actually good on the mic. He didn't even get a chance to show it. He did a promo once and I thought ''He's actually good on the mic''. It was ''believable''.
Bianca is more attractive than Bliss with or without makeup. I like her look more as far as attire and the long hair braid is a unique look than not many ever had if ever. She always more charismatic. Bianca beats Bliss all round honestly to me
Whenever someone says Dean Malenko is boring I feel compelled to tell the world the wrestling feud from my childhood I look back on most fondly is Jericho vs. Malenko in WCW.
The dude was a big deal in basketball in his youth years. He seems like one of those douchy ex basketball players that shit on anybody thats smaller than them.
I can’t imagine Austin and the rock tweeting each other after beating each other’s ass after a episode of raw smh that’s the one thing I hate about today’s wrestling 1 min these guys are tearing each other apart then there on each other’s gaming TH-cam channel or cooking or some shit smh
Seriously with all due respect it diminishes their credibility most of the time. Do all of these guys only have 1 hobbie besides wrestling? Are they on front of a screen either playing, streaming or tweeting all fucking day long? Jesus what a bummer
I recently watched Shibata vs Ishii from 2013 G1 and it was an example of two smaller wrestlers who made you suspend disbelief on their height because their work looked so credible and legitimate. Everytime Marko Stunt is allowed to enter a wrestling ring and make guys sell for him, it makes the legitimate wrestlers look like jokes. No booker who wants to present a sports based product would feature that little troll as a professional wrestler.
Naw, that'd be Corny, but Nash's are good. He does say "fucking" too much, tho...As much if not more than Russo says "bro". It's not offensive; it just becomes redundant.
Nash called Eddie Guerrero a "vanilla midget" in WCW and instead of pouting about it Eddie took it as advice and started focusing more on his character and his promos than on his in-ring work. Eddie took an insult and used it as an opportunity to improve himself. Modern wrestlers don't have that positive outlook. They take an insult and turn it into a #MeToo campaign where they equate their first world problems with real crimes like what Weinstein and Epstein were doing.
We don't really know what eddie really think of Nash, also that's just your speculation since twitter was not at that time period so we will never know if Eddie would have done same what present wrestler do
I feel really bad for Johnny Gargano because Cornette is spot on with his analysis of him. He's a good technical wrestler and he tries SO HARD to be entertaining and to be charismatic, but my God, he is SO BORING. He's just naturally boring.
There was a good long while during the Monday night wars that Malenko was one of the only reasons I'd switch the channel to WCW; I loved that his gimmick was that he came out, wrestled his ass off, didn't say anything, left. It was honestly refreshing at the time.
My problem with this is that Nash himself is pretty vanilla. There's literally nothing unique about him. Big guy, long hair, big boot, powerbomb. I think he's pretty funny in interviews but that's about it. That being said, there are plenty of guys to whom the term "vanilla midget" applies.
“Vanilla Midgets” are SMALL guys with no personality. So even tho Kevin Nash or a Omos comes off as Vanilla , at least they don’t look like the average guy at GameStop. Kurt Angle was small but obviously had personality , background & aggression. It’s more than just 1 way of looking at this stuff
"People don't get the correlation. When I said Chris (Benoit) and Eddie (Guerrero) became Champions. The wrestling bussines died. ... I made that statement when they were both alive" - Kevin Nash
@@greatomeister675 If I'm not mistaken, Shawn was elevated after Nash. But they erred in thinking that Nash as a white meat babyface champ would get over.
It's how you work too, a lot of small guys depend on crazy flips and no psychology so it looks like children doing gymnastics. Take someone like Daniel Bryan. He's a smaller guy, but there's a reason ROH fans chanted "you're going to get your fucking head kicked in" Because he worked bigger, then he was and it was believable. His strikes were great, he was an amazing technical wrestler that was able to put a bigger guy on the mat and stretch them. Doesn't matter if you're a shorter guy. It's the way you work, lay your strikes in, keep it tight, and don't make it look so fucking silly
100% dude. Benoit was 5"11 and Kurt Angle was 6"0 both are way less without shoes or boots. Never have seen two more intense guys in the ring. They made you question if it was a work or a shoot. They might have been smaller than other guys but people knew these guys were not to be fucked with.
@@angrymobsters1599 I think part of the problem is that a lot of modern wrestling becomes "video game"-esque, where guys are literally throwing multiple moves back to back, hardly selling the weight of each attack, and yet manages to counter with ease.
@Peter Stevenson what the fuck does that have to do with anything? There are a ton of guys that are considered small throughout wrestling history that could work their ass off. Yet you take 2 cases of guys with drug, alcohol, mental health, or brain damage as some sort of argument against being a great worker. That makes no sense
See a vanilla big guy like Khali can still go for one round as a world champion just because of his freaking physique but a vanilla midget is good for just being a jobber.
I loved Dean Malenko in the ring. Iceman and his man of 1000 holds worked well for him. I remember the promo videos of him stretching people and introducing a new move every week.
@michael murillo the problem is noone wants an average sized champion, you want a champion who turns heads and doesn't look like the normal person walking around
Kevin "4 moves of doom and oh my god my quads!" Nash has never earned the right to put down ANYBODY. Both Benoit and Jericho drew better as Champs then Nash did his entire year's run w/the strap.
Yea wrestling was hot when those two were champs and yet they drew nothing. They are like a soda can, as long as they chase the championship and maybe win one it's ok but what after they are on top? You cannot make them dominate because it took everything from them to climb the mountain, they cannot stay on top otherwise the business looks phony.
As disrespectful as it sounded, Nash was all about business and most of those guys really weren't mega main event draws. It's about being over with the paying audience, not how many stars Meltzer gives you.
2002-04 WWE had an even bigger marketing juggernaut, paid for by the stars of the Attitude era. Benoit and Guerrero were nowhere near Austin and The Rock, no matter how fundamentally sound they were.
@Peter Stevenson glad that you bring up marketing because midgets cannot be marketed. You cannot go to a casual fan who has never seen wrestling and market Eddie and say come see this 5'8 Guerrero take on the 5'8 Benoit. No one is gonna watch that. Also, Eddie's wrestling skills were secondary, his main point of attraction was his attitude the flirting and cheating.
@Peter Stevenson I am not questioning anything about Eddie, he was great for what he was but no company can make him the face of the company for a long time because defeating him wouldn't be a challenge, if anyone beats him for a title then well done but if someone loses to a guy like Eddie then they would surely be buried.
If Jim is going to call Gargano a "Vanilla Midget" and going to call "Swerve" Scott a "Middle school kid", then he has to consider Rey Mysterio, Finn Balor, Daniel Bryan, Adam Cole, Kyle O'Rielly, Roderick Strong, Tomasso Ciampa, LA Knight, Austin Theory, Sami Zayn, and John Morrison the same as well. If he is going to praise the latter, then he can't complain about the former just because of their height.
@@SupraViperhead LA Knight, Austin theory and John Morrison are midgets? I don't think so. And yes the others you mentioned just look stupid and are novelty acts at best.
@@Hi-kq1vi The Flair thing was ridiculous. AJ was a pure babyface character and even in real life didn't do much, but they still tried to make him into Ric Flair 2.0 with the partying, drinking, sex lifestyle/gimmick of Flair's. It made no sense. He was never skilled on the mic in TNA, but not every starts out cutting amazing promos. People improve by constantly doing them, which AJ did.
@@Provos7777 I wouldn’t bet against Tommy not stretching Nash. Tommy could wrestle technician style, brawling, you name it. He was in the ring with some of the best ever. Nash wasn’t.
@@HARMARSCH2 Tommy was a beast for sure. But 5’8 200lbs fighting 6’10 330lbs is a very tall task, no pun intended. Nash grew up in Detroit, which is a really tough place for a white guy. But...who knows Tommy was one mean bastard
A company can have a few “vanilla midgets”, h high flyers, “Japanese schoolgirls”, no in-ring skills giants, Dean Malenko type technicians, etc....but not an entire company of any single one of those groups. You need contrast.
I cant tell if you're actually being serious....but that wasn't the wwe exaggerating his weight, that was his character. That was the joke and everyone was in on it. He claimed to be a super heavyweight. It was supposed to be goofy/comical because everyone knew he wasn't.
At least they look like they can tear your head off which covers the vanilla part. But being SMALL & Vanilla is a combination that doesn’t get the job done lol
Him being in NWO was his claim to fame lol other than that he always sucked to me. He’s the perfect example of being in the right place at the right time.
His 2 matches against Bret when Diesel was champ, the IYH No DQ match against HBK, the Halloween Havoc tag title match with Harlem Heat, the Road Wild match with Sting/Luger, the IC title match with Razor at Summerslam 1994. He's had plenty of memorable matches and I just named the ones that were GOOD. Everyone remembers him beating Goldberg, Bash at the Beach 1996, War Games 1996. He's had more memorable matches than anyone he bashed.
I love that Nash, who was friends with Shawn and X-Pac, called people vanilla midgets, both pretty small guys compared to the 80s. Personally, I just think he was jealous that these guys a foot shorter than him were bigger draws for much longer than himself. Nash got lucky to be part of the NWO else he would have just been a footnote in wrestling history.
Did this guy really just insinuate that Sean Waltman was a "bigger draw for much longer" than Kevin Nash? So, discussing wrestling history is just a fan fiction contest of who can come up with the biggest pile of nonsense now?
Being born and growing to 7' isn't an accomplishment.It's dumb luck.Just like being successful or not.The people who get a push in life most times aren't bigger, stronger,faster, smarter,or more attractive than the next person.Though they think they are.It's just dumb luck
I'm 7' tall, and it's a hassle. I can't buy shoes in the store, and it plays havoc on you physically as you get older. Also, Kevin Nash isn't 7' tall. He was billed as 7' so often, he started to believe it lol
I have never met a single person IRL in over 30 years of watching pro wrestling that ever recalled, mentioned, or even knew the weight of the wrestlers as announced. Psychologically, there may be a truth in the visual appearance of the performers. When I was a kid Nikita Koloff looked absolutely monstrous to me- it left a lasting impression on me still to this day. However, I would never be able to tell you what his weight or height were as announced and I never met anyone then or now who could do the same about any given performer.
The reason size doesn’t matter so much anymore is because of the rise of things like the UFC. People saw Royce Gracie beat people twice his size and lighter weight guys have been dangerous for the past 25 years
I always considered it to be especially ironic that Nash would accuse anyone of being boring considering how dull his matches tended to be. I don't think Kip's a bad wrestler so I don't personally think he classes as one.
As long as a match is not a finger poke of doom or WM Goldberg vs Lesnar it doesn't matter how it is. I would rather see Austin and Rock doing 10 moves in total than Gargano and Balor having the best match of their lives.
@@almightycinder All of the people who expected Nash matches to be good are SOOOOO stupid! Hehehe. :P Being serious, that seems to have been the case (I know Jericho claimed in A Lion's Tale that Hall said the fans were there to see people like him so Jericho and the other cruiserweights shouldn't bother to have great matches). That's fair, V B (most stuff to do with pro wrestling is subjective).
The midgets worried & worry about how many stars Meltzer & Keller were/are going to give them. Hogan & Nash only cared about how many zeros were on their contract-who do you think are the smarter ones?
@@Hi-kq1vi Hogan and Nash are in this context. On the other hand, not caring about match quality seems like it should have a negative impact on attendance/PPV buys eventually (what Meltzer and Keller consider to be great matches isn't that important overall being as it's ultimately about how many fans see the matches as great). Even then, Jim's raised the point that Austin was insanely over during a time where his offence was relatively limited and often filled with feeble strikes so star power does often seem to be more important than what people do in matches.
@@amantejohnson6916 Oh so you want it to be just about wrestling, do tell me how Benoit, Eddie and Malenko created the biggest boom period and made wrestling mainstream. I will wait.
And it's not just in pro wrestling. Teens today looks so small and if they are tall, they are so lanky. What are kids eating today and are they still working out???
@@35PHaaton They're eating crap. Hell testosterone in men has been decreasing at an alarming rate since 1981 (yet the government does nothing about it) There's a reason the term soy boy exists (soy does manipulate testosterone but too a tiny degree)
like what? he was a big bastard in an era where that mattered. lousy promo but somehow a great shoot interviewee. he cut that 1 heel promo at the end of '95 and that was it.
@@natebaxter9551 we talking Vinnie Vegas, Oz or nWo Nash in WCW? he was the weakest of the original nWo 3. goofing on Arn Anderson is funny for a minute, lawn darting Rey was epic (Rey's idea), but he's no Hogan or Hall.
@@chadog900 leave Vinny Vegas out of this. But post WWF Nash was never the biggest star, or the most talented, but he did plenty. The NWO doesn't work without Nash. Hogan is Hogan, and Hall was proven to be unreliable. Plus he had an eye for talent.
The fact is nobody wanted to see Nash facing Big Show, Sid or Mabel then because over sized wrestlers simply don't work in the long run. And Hogan vs Andre only worked once in the 80s when many people believed in kayfabe and because of the way they promoted the match and masked the fact that they had alrady faced each other a million times in the past. Nash was lucky he had some decent matches with Bret and HBK. The most popular wrestlers have always been between 5'11 and 6'2 with the exception of Hogan
People like Benoit, Eddie, Jericho, etc. were short or "average sized", but because of their physiques, skills, and personality, you believed that they could beat the six foot five guy.
Triple H spent his entire career burying vanilla midgets and now he runs a brand built around them😂
Chris Benoit would disagree with that statement, if you consider him a vanilla midget, I don't.
The big bad booty daddy ain’t no vanilla midget!
@@CyberSoulLover Steiner is maybe 5'10, they bill him at 6'2 but hes nowhere near that
@Peter Stevenson It sure should be a pinned comment.
Wresting today is a joke compared to what it once was.
Guys that are 'Top Guys' in todays business wouldn't have even been able to
be jobbers 20-40 years ago.
Why?
Vanilla Midgets basically.
@@CyberSoulLover Nash had vanilla quads.
Dean Malenko doing the Texas cloverleaf was a thing of beauty and believable.
@Damage Case563 the way he did it, is his point
I'd rather watch a Dean Malenko vs those 2 lame dudes in masks with dumb names on WWE!
@@CJBrowninLV That's not saying much. I'd rather watch paint dry than most anything on WWE
Love that move!
My favorite leg submission
You don't have to be 6'4 to be a main event star, but at least have a great physique and have personality to make up for the lack of height. If you can be 5'11 and be jacked with a ton of charisma/personality, you are fine. Heck, if you have to wear some Elevator Shoes to add a few inches while having a great physique, that would be even better cuz not everyone has the genetics. Most guys today don't realize how important "presentation" is
Macho Man was a perfect example. He was only legit 5'11 . But nobody realized it . He looked alot bigger than he was on TV .
@@MrJjburgess11 Heck yeah brother, guy was a tank for his height and drew TONS of money.
That's so true cuz Ric flair Shawn Michaels Bret Hart they're all about 5'11 right under the 6-ft mark
Finn Balor is one of the most toned wrestlers there is, and people still bitch about his height.
@@almightycinder it's because he is toned and barely does a power move. Balor, Cole, O'Reily all seem pretty small. Now if you really want to see a smaller guy who can hang with giants then it's AJ Styles. He has power moves, he has submission, he has high flying moves and most of all when he wrestles it looks like he is trying to win the match not put on a performance.
Billy gunn looks like andre the giant compared to rest of that roster....he never looked that big in the WWF
I was thinking about his match on AEW this week, while Jim was explaining to the people.
Its because AEW is full of vanilla midgets
@El Gusanillo Del Juego idk why AEW keeps on signing vanilla midgets
@El Gusanillo Del Juego Khan should do Twinkamania every April.
@@michaelkumar6424 maybe because khan is also short and has a complex.
Beniot always looked legit like he could murder somebody
Ohhhh the irony..
@@Raze_DJ2 ;)
Yep women and children which explains the midget not trying kill a man
Thatz dark
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This is why they say Rey Mysterio is 5'6" when he is really 5'3".
And Crash Holly was over 400 pounds.
He’s 5’5 , when he wrestled Eddie he wasn’t that far off his height
@@Daniel-js2dk Eddie was called a small guy too.
They do that for everyone. Hulk Hogan was billed between 6'6 to 6'8.
@@dang2320 - Well Hulk Hogan was 6'6. He was billed at 6'8. Just like Taker was billed at 6'10 but he's really 6'8.
I would love to see Rick Rude take a walk through the AEW locker room
That's a scary thought
That would be very interesting and probably bad for other wrestlers
@Brandon colt, Rude would've LAUGHED at $ mark Khan's roster, Harley would've too.
@@TheSportsfan35 Even Hogan was afraid of Harley Race
That would be a lion walking among sheep. Rick Rude was the real deal.
90's Nash would have a field day with the short spotfest wrestlers today.
Nash: I warned you but you wanted to call me a hater.
Jim would call out Nash on his terrible booking in WCW
@@psychobluesfxt mid 00's Nash would pin them into a game show tournament
They’d be playing big rig sounds while he did spots in the ring. They’d make him wear a trucker hat and be an all around buffoon. Big Daddy Cool wouldn’t be a thing. Every promo would be littered with trucker lingo to really hammer home that his name is Diesel.
90’s Nash, “You wouldn’t be tall enough to get on a ride at Disney Land”
People mocked and berated Nash for this line but 20 years later there's an entire fed on TNT based around them.
Tbh they mostly mocked he said it about the lying, cheating, stealing, Mamacita loving Latino heat Eddie Guerrero. When Eddie was like the furthest thing from a vanilla wrestler, Eddie was charismatic as hell.
It is a term that is insulting, but a clear observation when used properly.
A lot of people get stuck on the midget part referring to height, but they gloss over the vanilla part that refers to appeal/star power.
You may be able to get by being one or the other, but being both is not good.
@@AlphaProto Kevin Nash isn't the one who should call anyone boring. He was boring as shit himself. Big injury prone doofus only stayed relevant all those years because of NWO
Facts
@King Slayer Nash never drew any real money LOL He almost put the WWF outta business and the nWo was the draw in WCW not Nash on his own
Put Jim and Nash in a room together with a mic and Sean Oliver. That would be entertaining.
Bro that’s actually fucking money lol
I would pay for it, just like I've paid for about 12 kayfabe commentaries timelines and back to the territories
Nash would tear his quad.
@@maosama3695 LOL
@@maosama3695 Cornette would tear him a new quad. The guy made Brock Lesnar cry for crying out loud.
Benoit was short and bland personality wise but he was still believable cause of how aggressive he was and he still had a great physique. As for Jericho and Eddie being vanilla,they had more personality and charisma in their fingers than Nash did in his whole body.
I always like Benoit's personality on screen. He's one of those guys that needed a manager or a team with him, so he could just stand in the background, look mean and flex.
Nash is one of the most charismatic and entertaining personalities in all of wrestling. The funny thing is, when he first said the vanilla midget comment it was in WCW, it was about Benoit, Eddie, and Dean and at the time, those 3 were pretty bland. Eddie didn't really break through with a personality until he got to the WWF. A lot of those guys were vanilla but to try and say Jericho and Eddie had way more personality and charisma than Nash is just ridiculous. Yeah they had better matches, that was pretty much it.
@@chrisarctor Nash is boring as fk. He played a typical jock 😂
Looks like he's touched a nerve with you 😉
All the jock kids take the girls you liked?
@@chrisarctor The problem is that he's only charismatic and entertaining *off* screen. On TV he was a boring worker and pretty immobile because he didn't train legs
Name a vanilla midget
Cornette: "Half the AEW roster"
The man is a gift
5:30
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Half? It's Like 92%.
Gargano looks like he would be the same size as his action figure
Johnny Sameface makes Chris Benoit look like Brock Lesnar
Because, with the exception of Brock, they can't take steroids anymore. Benoit wouldn't have been 220 naturally.
@@almightycinder I miss the steroids
@@almightycinder Benoit definitely can’t weigh over 200
Gargano is great he's more charismatic than some others and he can have a great match w anyone. I dont like his current character however,he was more effective as a babyface in the feud w ciampa
@@thesmogo the steroids were dangerous though. They were gonna kill Benoit if it weren't for him killing himself with his family. It gave him an enlargened heart.
chris benoit legit looked scary and strong enough to be able to fight bigger guys
If lack of a neck on Benoit (just a head setting on a pile of muscle) didnt let people know he could go then, when he got in the ring he was more then a handful.
Facts! he legit the toughest small guy WWE ever produced. So intense! And could pick up anyone. Him and Eddie Guerrero is the reason small guys were given a chance in WWE
He was a beast. When someone made some open challenge and his music hit, you see their face drop. He made guys bigger look real small once he got his hands on them.
His Chops
HE was THE WOLVERINE. The most comic book accurate Logan should have been Benoit. The height, physique, the facial hair. Would have loved to see him in the 1st X-MEN film...
I've just updated myself to 6'1" to sound more dangerous
🤣🤣
- 5'1
Oh shit, please don’t hurt me please I beg of you
Make sure to tell them you are a "lean 235" as well so they know you are jacked.
For fuck sake they list Adam Cole as 6ft 215 pounds. If that's true I'm Andre the Giant
He's probably like 5'10 or shorter tbh. If he had a better physique then his height or look wouldn't be too much of a glaring issue. Shawn Michaels wasn't all that tall but he had an incredible physique, same with Stone Cold.
@@Raze_DJ2 yup. Davey Boy Smith was probably 5'11 tops. But because he was jacked. He was still considered a big guy .
@@MrJjburgess11 Yeah, guys back then cared about their presentation cuz that's all people are gonna see on the posters. Any of those guys would be big stars in today's wrestling.
@Aaron Lassiter Oh yeah I remember that visual, Cole really needs to bulk up and wear some elevator shoes (If he can work in them) to boost his height.
Andre's height was exaggerated by like 6".
These thumbnails are legendary.
He captures the likeness of everyone well
@@SamsarasArt the art is just amazing.
*Travis deserves a RAISE!*
Love Nash’s face in this. Lol!
You can make a Book just on the Thumbnails.
Now THIS is a thumbnail. Hahaha
ah ha ha bruh, you broke the internet
Corny nails it right on the head; Nash used it as a blanket term rather than applying it to those who actually deserve it who over-rely on moves and don't have enough character and personality (i.e a third of the NXT roster, 50% of the AEW, and most of the modern indies)
Anyone not in his close circle of friends seemed to be a ''a vanilla midget''. Funny how that works.
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sometimes i think Jim knows that if he explains a bizarre visual, Travis is gonna use that as the thumbnail
Chris Benoit was short but was incredibly well built.He had similar stature and physique to Mike Tyson. Benoit looked legit. Most of these AEW guys hell no they dont look like legit athletes that could f someone up.
No
@@PBLightning145yes
I love Benoit, but he wasn't "well built". He was on steroids. This Johnny Gargano guy looks natural. That's the difference. Still, he does look like an athlete, anyone who says otherwise is delusional.
Agreed, Jim. Mike Mondo: 5' 7", 5' 8" maybe, 212 lbs, good on the mic and can do a bit of everything. Perry Saturn: 5' 11", approximately 230 lbs, co-invented a double-team finisher and had a memorable look, just wasn't the best talker. Homicide: 5' 10", 220 lbs, not the best talker, but got over thanks to the right gimmick. MCMG: 5' 10" each, 420 lbs combined, got over cause they could do a bit of everything and both of them could talk. Davey Richards: 5' 8", 202 lbs, had a great look, technically good in the ring and could talk, even Low Ki has an intimidating look for a smaller guy!
Nowadays even the 7 footers are vanilla
A vanilla 7 footer will still sell more tickets than a vanilla midget and just a midget in general
Plus, they don’t measure up...most wrestling “giants” are around 6foot 8.
@@ronlitton9885 Except Omos. Dude is legit taller than Andre and Khali.
There are a ton of vanilla giants: Oz; Vinnie Vegas; Steel, the Master Blaster, etc.
Yeah Nash was a big draw.
Every AEWpromo sounds like they’re trying to yell but Deep down they realize it’s bullshit and can’t even come to grips to take it seriously
Roderick Strong can't promo for nothin, but in that ring he can't be touched. That man is a beast.
Agree
And that’s why he hasn’t peaked and will never be a household name.
i think he will be stuck in the evil midcard vortex for a long time
Roderick has evolved so much though on the mic. See his ROH promos and compare them to now. Complete difference.
Give Roderick the US title and give him 7-10 minute matches on TV every week and he will get over.
People don’t understand that Nash loved working with the younger smaller guys in TNA. He wasn’t just “friends” with them on screen he was friends backstage with them as well. Alex Shelly, Chris Sabin, Jay lethal, he helped them find their gimmicks. He knew how hard working and talented they were and he just wanted to help them get over more with the fans. He gave Jay lethal the black machismo gimmick with Randy savages blessing and Jay went from a talented young guy no one cared about to the biggest star of the X division and beat Kurt angle. He got the motor city machine guns together and gave them that edgy attitude everyone loved.
And when team 3D legit injured Chris Sabin and didn’t protect him during a match he laid into them hard back stage for not looking out for younger guys
Arguably, he was more than friends with his 'baby bear' Shelley....
Looks like we found Nash’s TH-cam account
If it’s used to describe someone like Eddie Guerrero or Chris Benoit then I completely disagree.
If it’s used to describe someone like Johnny Gargano or Humberto Carrillo then hell yes I agree.
When Eddie and Chris were against bigger dudes, I genuinely forget there was a size difference because they could convince everyone that it was an even match.
They weren't vanilla but they were small and ratings actually went down when Eddie was champ so he dropped it to JBL. Eddie was entertaining and he was world championship worthy but those guys can never be made to look dominant in front of someone like Lesnar, Austin or Rock. As soon as their underdog story is over they lose steam.
@@dazitmane8905 Probably because of the steroids they were taking made them look bigger.
Benoit in comparison to Ultimate Warrior
Vanilla midget
Wait of all names you could mention? Humberto Carillo? I saw this guy on raw recently....he's definitely vanilla but that could also be because of the language barrier. He's not a midget though, he isn't small at all. He's billed at 6'1 even if he's an inch or 2 smaller than that he's still a lot bigger then the other guys you mentioned.
Nash was the most vanilla big guy ever XD
facts
Not really.
Actually no way
He wasn't as vanilla as Test.
Clearly you didn't watch the heyday of WCW.
I loved watching Dean Malenko in the ring; he was the model of precision and finesse.
His personality wasn't obvious in promos, but it came through in spades while he was wrestling - despite his lack of size, his ability convincingly portrayed the idea that he could pick absolutely anyone apart and make them tap out between the ropes.
For the most part the best wrestlers are balanced and have it all. The look. Can wrestle and are good on the mic. But imo sometimes guys aren't as balanced but are really, really good at one of the criteria. Malenko was so good in the ring I didn't care about that he wasn't as big as the others. He was actually good on the mic. He didn't even get a chance to show it. He did a promo once and I thought ''He's actually good on the mic''. It was ''believable''.
Nah bro. Dean Malenko could never pick apart a randy orton and certainly not a kevin nash
Jim Cornette as Rambo aka Jimbo
WHAT'S POPPIN JIMBO !?
Jimbone!
Imma call em, JAMBO....
Bianca Belair makes Alexa Bliss look like Dolly Parton
We don't she hulks
Alexa Bliss has a lot of intangibles that Bianca will NEVER have.
I still rather smash Belair though
Tough case. Belair looks better without makeup while alexa looks better with makeup. So it's pretty much a toss up
Bianca is more attractive than Bliss with or without makeup. I like her look more as far as attire and the long hair braid is a unique look than not many ever had if ever. She always more charismatic. Bianca beats Bliss all round honestly to me
Whenever someone says Dean Malenko is boring I feel compelled to tell the world the wrestling feud from my childhood I look back on most fondly is Jericho vs. Malenko in WCW.
Jericho had those 4 extra holds, Malenko couldn't do anything about that.
Boring is lance storm
@@LongHuynh-bx5ll Lance was brilliant. He made 2000 WCW watchable for me... Maybe it was Major Gunns 🤔
Dean was boring and Jericho carried the feud.
You mean Covid God vs. Technical God
Nash has always been an insecure big man. He mentions his size in every interview...makes you wonder.
The dude was a big deal in basketball in his youth years. He seems like one of those douchy ex basketball players that shit on anybody thats smaller than them.
It's the only thing that makes him special. He knows he wouldn't have made it as a wrestler if he was even 5" shorter.
@@almightycinder well his legs probably wouldn’t be so bad then either
Nah. Nash is awesome. Short people like Jericho will always be jealous.
Vanilla Midget is perhaps my favorite wrestling term ever. I have called people that in real life and it's completely humiliating.
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Now I need to see a Cartoon picture of Jim Cornette as Stallone as Judge Dredd. 😆 😆 😆 😆
Jim is taller than Stallone, so it wouldn't look too out of place.
i was thinking weird al in the movie uhf
I AM THE LAW!!
@ Jamaal Moses: Stephen P New walks in, “ NO I AM THE LAW” insert Stephen’s theme
@@louis3141 😆 😆 😆
I could see Cornette in a remake of “Stop or my mom will shoot” lol
Hell yeah
Braun Strowman is a vanilla giant
I love the idea of a faction calling themselves the “vanilla midget crew”
I can’t imagine Austin and the rock tweeting each other after beating each other’s ass after a episode of raw smh that’s the one thing I hate about today’s wrestling 1 min these guys are tearing each other apart then there on each other’s gaming TH-cam channel or cooking or some shit smh
Seriously with all due respect it diminishes their credibility most of the time. Do all of these guys only have 1 hobbie besides wrestling? Are they on front of a screen either playing, streaming or tweeting all fucking day long? Jesus what a bummer
Social media should be kayfabe, it should be used to sell the wrestling product. You can't do that while acting like buddies game together, smh
I recently watched Shibata vs Ishii from
2013 G1 and it was an example of two smaller wrestlers who made you suspend disbelief on their height because their work looked so credible and legitimate.
Everytime Marko Stunt is allowed to enter a wrestling ring and make guys sell for him, it makes the legitimate wrestlers look like jokes. No booker who wants to present a sports based product would feature that little troll as a professional wrestler.
Nash has the best shoot interviews on youtube.
Naw, that'd be Corny, but Nash's are good. He does say "fucking" too much, tho...As much if not more than Russo says "bro". It's not offensive; it just becomes redundant.
Nash with the goat quote about Meltzers 5 star matches. “Aboozago vs Dapozigo in the Korokean Hall” 🤣
Nash had great charisma and a good look but he couldn’t wrestle that well 🤷♂️
@@derekazyan9942 He didn't need to be a technician. What he did do, he did well.
@@AJ-xv7oh Six moves of doom, including the hair flip.
Kevin Nash is a vanilla giant
Nash called Eddie Guerrero a "vanilla midget" in WCW and instead of pouting about it Eddie took it as advice and started focusing more on his character and his promos than on his in-ring work. Eddie took an insult and used it as an opportunity to improve himself. Modern wrestlers don't have that positive outlook. They take an insult and turn it into a #MeToo campaign where they equate their first world problems with real crimes like what Weinstein and Epstein were doing.
I totally agree. Eddie hated Nash, but it motivated him to the legend he became today.
We don't really know what eddie really think of Nash, also that's just your speculation since twitter was not at that time period so we will never know if Eddie would have done same what present wrestler do
Lol and that's why WCW died. Giving Nash and Hogan creative control when they could barely move.
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Kevin Nash says “You wouldn’t be tall enough to get on a ride at Disney Land”
Benoit was a beast! The Wolverine!
I feel really bad for Johnny Gargano because Cornette is spot on with his analysis of him. He's a good technical wrestler and he tries SO HARD to be entertaining and to be charismatic, but my God, he is SO BORING. He's just naturally boring.
He thing is, being charismatic and entertaining is something natural.. You can’t fake it. He fakes it.
There was a good long while during the Monday night wars that Malenko was one of the only reasons I'd switch the channel to WCW; I loved that his gimmick was that he came out, wrestled his ass off, didn't say anything, left.
It was honestly refreshing at the time.
I don't know how Travis hits so many home runs, it's amazing. Travis, you sir are the man.
loved watching Malenko struggle to get over the middle rope when he entered the ring lol
Dean Malenko had an amazing theme song. It sounded like it belonged in a Timothy Dalton 007 movie.
Dean Malenko belonged in a Roger Moore 007 movie. He could have been Nick Nack in The Man With The Golden Gun.
What about his wcw theme
He would have made a great bond villain. 'Cloverleaf'. Kills people by stretching them out.
@@herecomesdatrain His WCW theme sounded like something straight out of Star Fox. lol
My problem with this is that Nash himself is pretty vanilla. There's literally nothing unique about him. Big guy, long hair, big boot, powerbomb. I think he's pretty funny in interviews but that's about it.
That being said, there are plenty of guys to whom the term "vanilla midget" applies.
Don’t forget the sidewalk slam and slicking the hair back from 3 or so minutes lol
“Vanilla Midgets” are SMALL guys with no personality. So even tho Kevin Nash or a Omos comes off as Vanilla , at least they don’t look like the average guy at GameStop. Kurt Angle was small but obviously had personality , background & aggression. It’s more than just 1 way of looking at this stuff
Didn’t Nash have a 6 move set, counting the hair flip?
that's what's most important in wrestling: the amount of moves you can do
"People don't get the correlation. When I said Chris (Benoit) and Eddie (Guerrero) became Champions. The wrestling bussines died. ... I made that statement when they were both alive" - Kevin Nash
Is that even real? The wrestling business died even harder when Nash was the champion...
@@1stand406 Finger Poke of Doom 🙅♂️🤦♂️💀
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Nash had to follow Hogan. Bret,Shawn and etc ALL weren’t drawing. Even Hogan himself wasn’t drawing in 94,95.
@@greatomeister675 If I'm not mistaken, Shawn was elevated after Nash. But they erred in thinking that Nash as a white meat babyface champ would get over.
@@mangrove Yup. Mid 90s was Bret, Diesel, Shawn and some Taker.
Best part of this - “Size depends not on the actual metrics but the way people look.” Brilliant like always from Jim Cornette.
Rey Mysterio sells more merchandise in 1 year than Nash in his entire career.
Stone Cold sold more "Austin 3:16" shirts on a weekend than Nash has in his entire life
It's how you work too, a lot of small guys depend on crazy flips and no psychology so it looks like children doing gymnastics. Take someone like Daniel Bryan. He's a smaller guy, but there's a reason ROH fans chanted "you're going to get your fucking head kicked in"
Because he worked bigger, then he was and it was believable. His strikes were great, he was an amazing technical wrestler that was able to put a bigger guy on the mat and stretch them.
Doesn't matter if you're a shorter guy. It's the way you work, lay your strikes in, keep it tight, and don't make it look so fucking silly
100% dude. Benoit was 5"11 and Kurt Angle was 6"0 both are way less without shoes or boots. Never have seen two more intense guys in the ring. They made you question if it was a work or a shoot. They might have been smaller than other guys but people knew these guys were not to be fucked with.
@@angrymobsters1599 I think part of the problem is that a lot of modern wrestling becomes "video game"-esque, where guys are literally throwing multiple moves back to back, hardly selling the weight of each attack, and yet manages to counter with ease.
@Peter Stevenson what the fuck does that have to do with anything? There are a ton of guys that are considered small throughout wrestling history that could work their ass off. Yet you take 2 cases of guys with drug, alcohol, mental health, or brain damage as some sort of argument against being a great worker. That makes no sense
See a vanilla big guy like Khali can still go for one round as a world champion just because of his freaking physique but a vanilla midget is good for just being a jobber.
@@nybxcrotona Yeah, there are way to many circus wrestlers today. It definitely makes wrestling look like a bigger joke than it already is.
I loved Dean Malenko in the ring. Iceman and his man of 1000 holds worked well for him. I remember the promo videos of him stretching people and introducing a new move every week.
Malenko was a bit too smooth for my tastes. Same as Saturn. Much preferred Benoit or Rey due to their speed and intensity
That was nothing. Jericho outdid him with 1,001 moves. Malenko skipped the lesson on the armbar.
😂🤣🤣🤣 Johnny Gargano!!!!
Jim Cornette: Not everyone can be 7 feet tall.
Me: Yeah, I heard you can't teach that.
😉😂🤣
And you can't teach them anything else.
It's true, not everyone is 7' .. including Kevin Nash lol
They make guys in AEW look smaller because it makes the Young Bucks not stand out as much because of their small size.
i said that when they signed Joey Janela, the sole reason for him being there is to make the Bucks look more like stars.
Drake Maverick, Adam Cole, Ricochet, Johnny Gargano etc have Left the Chat 💬
🚂🚃🚄🚅🚈🚝🚞🚋choo choo
All aboard! Next stop petticoat junction.
I remember when JD said Johnny Gargano is the "Modern Day" Bret Hart... 💀
@michael murillo the problem is noone wants an average sized champion, you want a champion who turns heads and doesn't look like the normal person walking around
@@Raze_DJ2 JD is a clown
@@mattjohnson91 i want a champion who's entertaining, id take adam cole over that guy with aj styles any day
Never thought I'd hear Jim say "incel"
Kevin "4 moves of doom and oh my god my quads!" Nash has never earned the right to put down ANYBODY. Both Benoit and Jericho drew better as Champs then Nash did his entire year's run w/the strap.
Yea wrestling was hot when those two were champs and yet they drew nothing. They are like a soda can, as long as they chase the championship and maybe win one it's ok but what after they are on top?
You cannot make them dominate because it took everything from them to climb the mountain, they cannot stay on top otherwise the business looks phony.
Why does number of moves matter?
@@srachar Because PPV matches tend to go 20 minutes or so? You just going to keep doing the same five moves the whole damn time?
@@almightycinder nope, you would keep some moves for ppv and you'd actually sell the move and not do one after another
@SL234 Bryan was always gonna be a no name. Look at him, nothing about him screams "top star". He is a joke that wwe took too far.
As disrespectful as it sounded, Nash was all about business and most of those guys really weren't mega main event draws. It's about being over with the paying audience, not how many stars Meltzer gives you.
Fact is, people flocked in droves to see the nWo or Stone Cold, business dropped further when Benoit and Guerrero were on top. Just the way of things.
2002-04 WWE had an even bigger marketing juggernaut, paid for by the stars of the Attitude era. Benoit and Guerrero were nowhere near Austin and The Rock, no matter how fundamentally sound they were.
@Peter Stevenson glad that you bring up marketing because midgets cannot be marketed. You cannot go to a casual fan who has never seen wrestling and market Eddie and say come see this 5'8 Guerrero take on the 5'8 Benoit. No one is gonna watch that. Also, Eddie's wrestling skills were secondary, his main point of attraction was his attitude the flirting and cheating.
@Peter Stevenson I am not questioning anything about Eddie, he was great for what he was but no company can make him the face of the company for a long time because defeating him wouldn't be a challenge, if anyone beats him for a title then well done but if someone loses to a guy like Eddie then they would surely be buried.
He also directly called AJ a vanilla midget one of the most talented workers in the world and also one of the most over talents
If Jim is going to call Gargano a "Vanilla Midget" and going to call "Swerve" Scott a "Middle school kid", then he has to consider Rey Mysterio, Finn Balor, Daniel Bryan, Adam Cole, Kyle O'Rielly, Roderick Strong, Tomasso Ciampa, LA Knight, Austin Theory, Sami Zayn, and John Morrison the same as well. If he is going to praise the latter, then he can't complain about the former just because of their height.
Did you see his promos back in TNA? Awful. Zero personality. Then they stuck Flair with him which exposed his shortcomings even worse.
@@SupraViperhead LA Knight, Austin theory and John Morrison are midgets? I don't think so. And yes the others you mentioned just look stupid and are novelty acts at best.
@@SupraViperhead I think you missed the point. Watch the Rey Mysterio video from yesterday, it helps clarify.
@@Hi-kq1vi The Flair thing was ridiculous. AJ was a pure babyface character and even in real life didn't do much, but they still tried to make him into Ric Flair 2.0 with the partying, drinking, sex lifestyle/gimmick of Flair's. It made no sense. He was never skilled on the mic in TNA, but not every starts out cutting amazing promos. People improve by constantly doing them, which AJ did.
Kevin Nash would never have said that to Dynamite Kid, Dynamite would’ve stretched him inside out.
Dynamite was a tough bastard for sure. He’s definitely not stretching Nash
@@Provos7777 I wouldn’t bet against Tommy not stretching Nash. Tommy could wrestle technician style, brawling, you name it. He was in the ring with some of the best ever. Nash wasn’t.
@@HARMARSCH2 Tommy was a beast for sure. But 5’8 200lbs fighting 6’10 330lbs is a very tall task, no pun intended. Nash grew up in Detroit, which is a really tough place for a white guy. But...who knows Tommy was one mean bastard
@@Provos7777 Tommy’s Dad and Granddad were both professional boxers.
@@HARMARSCH2 I heard that. Tough, old school englishmen who work in the coal mines, then go drink & fight
A company can have a few “vanilla midgets”, h high flyers, “Japanese schoolgirls”, no in-ring skills giants, Dean Malenko type technicians, etc....but not an entire company of any single one of those groups. You need contrast.
Who taught jim the word incel? 😂😂😂
Jim made sure all the OVW incels got laid in his hot tub.
It's kinda hard to not know that word when the entire AEW fan base is full of them lol.
It is a good term. They are everywhere right now.
Dean malenko was great in the ring and i like how serious he was.
and as interesting as watching cardboard fall down the stairs.
@@based9930 naw that's alex wright or the wall your thinking of
@@walterclark3198 the wall has more personality than either of them.
@@based9930 i couldn't tell every time i saw him he would chokeslam ppl through tables poorly at that.
You can say he was a great worker and also admit he was a vanilla midget. Wrestling requires charisma and personality. Malenko never showed these
Kevin Nash couldn’t wrestle his way out of a paper bag or book a taxi to an airport, let alone an angle.
Crash Holly weighed over 400 pounds allegedly. That's the most extreme example of exaggerating some extra weight where it becomes goofy.
What do you mean allegedly?
I cant tell if you're actually being serious....but that wasn't the wwe exaggerating his weight, that was his character. That was the joke and everyone was in on it. He claimed to be a super heavyweight. It was supposed to be goofy/comical because everyone knew he wasn't.
Oh man, I haven't thought about when he brought a scale with him everywhere in years.
You can be a vanilla giant too. Vince loves to sign guys like that.
At least they look like they can tear your head off which covers the vanilla part. But being SMALL & Vanilla is a combination that doesn’t get the job done lol
Nash deserves credit for never having a memorable match yet he's a legend😅
Finger poke of doom and Goldberg taser bullshit. He has memorable match just not ones that you wanna remember.
Him being in NWO was his claim to fame lol other than that he always sucked to me. He’s the perfect example of being in the right place at the right time.
Nash vs Hart was good.
His 2 matches against Bret when Diesel was champ, the IYH No DQ match against HBK, the Halloween Havoc tag title match with Harlem Heat, the Road Wild match with Sting/Luger, the IC title match with Razor at Summerslam 1994. He's had plenty of memorable matches and I just named the ones that were GOOD. Everyone remembers him beating Goldberg, Bash at the Beach 1996, War Games 1996. He's had more memorable matches than anyone he bashed.
Scott Hall had great matches with Michaels and Hogan had iconic Mania matches. Nash's best moment was when he took estrogen in The Longest Yard.
Including tearing his quad, Nash has 8 moves in his repertoire
pulling his hair out of his face is another important one.
What people don’t realize about Nash is that he’s actually older than Cornette lmfao bet you wouldn’t of guessed that in a million years
Jim may not could have been Rambo or Rocky, but I think he would definitely be able to sing better then Sly did in that Rhinestone movie 😆
Rhinestone is great and it's a holiday tradition in my family to get completely shit-faced and watch that movie but I do enjoy Jim's singing
Sean Waltman was a cruiserweight , and he was one of the best workers in the business.
I love that Nash, who was friends with Shawn and X-Pac, called people vanilla midgets, both pretty small guys compared to the 80s.
Personally, I just think he was jealous that these guys a foot shorter than him were bigger draws for much longer than himself. Nash got lucky to be part of the NWO else he would have just been a footnote in wrestling history.
So what? Just because you are friends with someone doesn't mean you see them as draws.
Did this guy really just insinuate that Sean Waltman was a "bigger draw for much longer" than Kevin Nash?
So, discussing wrestling history is just a fan fiction contest of who can come up with the biggest pile of nonsense now?
Both X-Pac & especially Shawn had a unique look , Charisma & intensity about themselves.
Cris Benoit & Eddie Guerrero were smaller compared to the 6’4 giants..
right now they’d be heavyweights amongst the children playing wrestler
Kevin Nash injured his biceps and back during that comment and will be out of action for 6 months.
Oh shit. Make that a year. He tore his quad reading your comment.
Being born and growing to 7' isn't an accomplishment.It's dumb luck.Just like being successful or not.The people who get a push in life most times aren't bigger, stronger,faster, smarter,or more attractive than the next person.Though they think they are.It's just dumb luck
I'm 7' tall, and it's a hassle. I can't buy shoes in the store, and it plays havoc on you physically as you get older. Also, Kevin Nash isn't 7' tall. He was billed as 7' so often, he started to believe it lol
I have never met a single person IRL in over 30 years of watching pro wrestling that ever recalled, mentioned, or even knew the weight of the wrestlers as announced. Psychologically, there may be a truth in the visual appearance of the performers. When I was a kid Nikita Koloff looked absolutely monstrous to me- it left a lasting impression on me still to this day. However, I would never be able to tell you what his weight or height were as announced and I never met anyone then or now who could do the same about any given performer.
so, you didn't know anyone who really watched, then, because it was mentioned before each, and every, match.
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I met Benoit attention gym once. He wasn't that small. He was like 6'1" or 2"
The reason size doesn’t matter so much anymore is because of the rise of things like the UFC. People saw Royce Gracie beat people twice his size and lighter weight guys have been dangerous for the past 25 years
I think because now they can finally go on Social Media & Cry about Vince pushing the big guys lol
Oh & to add on those UFC guys look like Badasses obviously so they would be totally different as opposed to a Gargano or Mustafa Ali lol
Never thought I'd hear Corny say "incels".
Looks like Weird Al, not Stallone, in the thumbnail...
Lololol Cornette is such a goof. If Malenko tried to "stretch" Nash, Nash would murder him with one hand
😂
I always considered it to be especially ironic that Nash would accuse anyone of being boring considering how dull his matches tended to be. I don't think Kip's a bad wrestler so I don't personally think he classes as one.
Nash is just there to get them to the arena. He doesn't give a shit if the match is complete shit.
As long as a match is not a finger poke of doom or WM Goldberg vs Lesnar it doesn't matter how it is. I would rather see Austin and Rock doing 10 moves in total than Gargano and Balor having the best match of their lives.
@@almightycinder All of the people who expected Nash matches to be good are SOOOOO stupid! Hehehe. :P Being serious, that seems to have been the case (I know Jericho claimed in A Lion's Tale that Hall said the fans were there to see people like him so Jericho and the other cruiserweights shouldn't bother to have great matches).
That's fair, V B (most stuff to do with pro wrestling is subjective).
The midgets worried & worry about how many stars Meltzer & Keller were/are going to give them. Hogan & Nash only cared about how many zeros were on their contract-who do you think are the smarter ones?
@@Hi-kq1vi Hogan and Nash are in this context. On the other hand, not caring about match quality seems like it should have a negative impact on attendance/PPV buys eventually (what Meltzer and Keller consider to be great matches isn't that important overall being as it's ultimately about how many fans see the matches as great). Even then, Jim's raised the point that Austin was insanely over during a time where his offence was relatively limited and often filled with feeble strikes so star power does often seem to be more important than what people do in matches.
Nash was just jealous the only Talent he had was his height
He was instrumental to the success of the wolfpac and NWO
@@greatomeister675 because he was tall
@@chrischar9428 you want some fries with that salt?
@Aaron Lassiter imagine a wrestling business not being about wrestling
@@amantejohnson6916 Oh so you want it to be just about wrestling, do tell me how Benoit, Eddie and Malenko created the biggest boom period and made wrestling mainstream. I will wait.
Nash also had zero personality for most of his career. He was a vanilla giant. Toot Toot!
I don't think fans realize the small from yesteryear is bigger than the small today.
And it's not just in pro wrestling. Teens today looks so small and if they are tall, they are so lanky. What are kids eating today and are they still working out???
@@35PHaaton They're eating crap. Hell testosterone in men has been decreasing at an alarming rate since 1981 (yet the government does nothing about it) There's a reason the term soy boy exists (soy does manipulate testosterone but too a tiny degree)
its the skinny jeans. Shawn Micheals was a small guy at 6 ft, todays small is near 5ft. All pants should have space for dancing(ballroom)
You know the locker room's a joke when Billy Gunn, who never really stood out for his height, now looks like Giant Gonzalez.
Nash wasn't great in the ring, but he had all of the other tools. He parlayed that into a career 99% of wrestlers would kill for.
like what? he was a big bastard in an era where that mattered. lousy promo but somehow a great shoot interviewee. he cut that 1 heel promo at the end of '95 and that was it.
@@chadog900 apparently you didn't see him in WCW and TNA. Dude held his own entertainment wise next to some of the biggest names in wrestling history.
@@natebaxter9551 we talking Vinnie Vegas, Oz or nWo Nash in WCW? he was the weakest of the original nWo 3. goofing on Arn Anderson is funny for a minute, lawn darting Rey was epic (Rey's idea), but he's no Hogan or Hall.
@Aaron Lassiter hey look it's one of those "it's still real to me" guys
@@chadog900 leave Vinny Vegas out of this. But post WWF Nash was never the biggest star, or the most talented, but he did plenty. The NWO doesn't work without Nash. Hogan is Hogan, and Hall was proven to be unreliable. Plus he had an eye for talent.
Gargano is a great pick for the term vanilla midget.
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The fact is nobody wanted to see Nash facing Big Show, Sid or Mabel then because over sized wrestlers simply don't work in the long run. And Hogan vs Andre only worked once in the 80s when many people believed in kayfabe and because of the way they promoted the match and masked the fact that they had alrady faced each other a million times in the past. Nash was lucky he had some decent matches with Bret and HBK. The most popular wrestlers have always been between 5'11 and 6'2 with the exception of Hogan
People like Benoit, Eddie, Jericho, etc. were short or "average sized", but because of their physiques, skills, and personality, you believed that they could beat the six foot five guy.
Johnny Gargano, Finn Balor and Adam Cole should form a faction and call it Vanilla Midget Club
If they are Vanilla Midgets then what does that Marko Stunt and Hornswoggle then?
Especially Finn Balor lol
Finn is not vanilla. Even cornette has praised Balor
@@ChrisWoollett Hornswoggle would be a Shamrock shake