Double Biceps Rupture - Doctor Explains Ultra-Rare Bodybuilding Injury
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I've never seen (or heard) about this injury happening to anyone else - both biceps tendons tear during a preacher curl. If you're a body builder or just enjoy weightlifting, be very cautious about doing this type of exercise!
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This injury is nightmare fuel.
Really I thought it was gonna go in my spank bank. Lol I kid. This is brutal. I don't think I'll ever do this exercise again.
You should be fine if you don't try to experimental freak exercises like he was doing. I mean look at the amount of weight he was curling. That was some experimental crazy sh...
I always think "deep vein thrombosis" kind of sounds like a good thing 👍 😂
Curls are my fave work out too 😞😞
@@furysfriend3680 he was doing insane weight, though. I think you’ll be fine if you do controlled reps with light weight like most do with this lift.
For anyone concerned about this happening to them, this type of injury is EXTREMELY rare when anabolic steroids aren’t involved. Steroids do not equally strengthen muscles and tendons, so even though your muscles might be able to lift a certain amount of weight, your tendons can’t handle the tension.
I was thinking this, but I wasn’t certain
i have heard this too , but as the Doc was saying the tendons aren’t able to handle the load as quickly . i think from the end of the video it was too much weight
@@peterf.229 steroids makes you gain strength and muscle really fast. So you'll go up with loads too fast. While muscles need weeks to grow. Tendons grow in the order of months or even years. There was an interesting video of 2 minutes about it. And there was a rock climber showing his tendons development. you should search for it on youtube.
This is the truth! It happened to me with 30lbs single arm preachers. I was on test at that time and the first thing the Dr asked me was if I was using. Said 90% of the younger men he sees with this injury were on steroids.
Your facts aren't gonna stop people from being irrationally scared of lifting.
It's terrifying mostly because It really seems It could happen to anyone.. Single tear of course - But realistically curling 135lbs on a Preacher curl pad with a straight bar Is probably not the greatest idea.
Yeah for sure his muscles were able to handle that load , but not his tendons
You know what the non lifting doctor does not. Use an ez curl bar kids.
That's 67.5lb per arm, which isn't much for a decent weight lifter. Dude is is just weak and is a dum.bass for listing more than he can handle.
@@BuzzingGoober 135lb preacher curl is very impressive, especially building up from 90lbs. He is by no means “weak.”
@@BuzzingGoober I mean lets be honest.. weak Is not the word lol. The percentage of people that can curl 135lbs especially on a preacher curl is miniscule, I can do it.. but I've trained for over 10 years.
He was doing an 1rm i believe, which is stupid as hell to do in an isolation exercise which is already going to tax the tendons immensely. "Stimulate, don't annihilate" is the wisdom here, in 99% of your gym sessions you are there to train strength, not test it.
Facts it's so dumb to be lifting that heavy, the bicep is not really meant to be picking up that heavy weight and doing on the preacher is worse cause it's direct bicep.
Ha!!
TOTALEE AWESOME!!!
Ive done 1RMs on bicep curls nothing happened ever even if i fail, not a single sign of injury.
Im not even training preacher curls but i might to do a 135lb 1RM to prove its no normal
Hopefully Superman learned his lesson from this. That was about as bright as midnight…
It would be nice to know what the process for surgery, and what his recovery is going to look like
Watch Eddie hall, he has a video explaining the process when he got this injury
@@mattforster7509 wasnt Eddie hall a chest tear? Either way im assuming the recovery process has to be somewhat similar
Eddie's video was for a distal biceps tear and shows shows the actual surgery. Prognosis for repair is quite good if it's a tendon to bone tear.
1 - 2 weeks of self-pity and sad selfies uploaded from hospital bed, followed by daily physio on preacher bench starting with just the bar and building back from there.
@@javier032492 i think you’re thinking of scot mendelson
I had a full distal bicep tendon tear on my left arm about 3 years ago. The physical rehab wasn't as bad as the mental rehab. It took me about a year to get over the mental aspect of not thinking about it everyday. Compared to other people that have had the same injury as me, I consider myself lucky. Besides the occasional muscle spasm after my bicep workouts, the most frustrating thing is I probably have about 75-80% of my previous bicep strength. I have to scale back my bicep workouts to keep both arms symmetrical.
I don’t know how you’d ever feel comfortable with heavy weight after that. I tore my elbow ucl and had Tommyjohn surgery in college, I’m still afraid to really let a throw fly
Man, that really sucks, but I agree. I'd rather play it safe and prevent another injury from happening. Love your videos and content. I appreciate you replying back.
Were you doing preacher curls ?
OMG... I basically just wrote the same thing as you... The mental recovery is off the charts. Thinking about how bad my spasms would hurt (at random moments too) is enough to make me fight back tears. It has taken me sooooooooo long (years) to get my strength back and I might be at 60% of my previous strength. So if you are above 70% all I can say is WOW! You must be incredibly determined!
@@infinitemonkey917 No, I tore my bicep picking up a big screen TV by myself and had my arm straight. I tried to get it on top of a table and I felt a pop and a warm sensation in my arm. I knew right away what it was because Calum Von Moger had torn his bicep about a week earlier. The day before I tore it I had worked out my arms really hard at the gym and I think that played a role in my injury. I knew I hadn't picked up the TV the right way and instead of putting it down and grabbing it a better way, I tried to just "push" it up slightly with all the weight of the TV on my left arm. It was a dumb mistake and I paid for it.
My personal and professional advice. Dont do preachers seated. Always do them standing so you can adjust your body and the angle with the dumbell as needed to keep things in a safe position. Also No need to do them heavy, 1or 2 sets close to failure with light or medium weight is plenty. Heavy curls can and should be done to strengthen tendons but not in a preacher. I much prefer regular alt dumb curls or hammer curls for heavy loading unless youre chasing strict curls for some reason.
Kids... take this advice from a wise man. What you say is completely true and correct Jeff. I started having pain in my elbow tendon with seated preachers and, after avoiding that exercise seated. It started to fade away and I also saw more changes when I reduced the weight.
Agree bro, I almost teared my biceps doing heavy curls which is not what my body wants. I go for light - medium weights doing high reps
Or you can do it in a machine
What about the Arm blaster accessory ?
@@user-rj1hh6ei7x another good tool in the toolbox for sure, just dont need to go super heavy on them imo.
I ruptured my left distal bicep tendon when I was 17 (33 now). My parents would NOT take me to get looked at until from my forearm to my wrist was black and blue. We had waited to long according to the doctor and they could not get my bicep back down so I'm left with a huge gap now and obviously a very large percent of my strength is gone. They used an achilles allograft and endobutton technique to do what they could. I still lift but with light weight and no more preacher curls
That sucks. Do your parents have a bad conscience about it?
Awful parents, no offense
well, your parents must feel bad about it, but having a dumass son costing them big money because he trains recklessly might be infuriating aswell
Why did they refuse?
This is horrible so sorry to hear. Although your parents are really shitty for not going to the doctor with you, I was wondering couldn’t you just go on your own since you were already 17? (Maybe I’m too privileged with the German healthcare system )
I used to do a lot of preacher curling then stopped because the movement is just a little too scary at the bottom when the biceps is maximally stretched and supinated. Feel sorry for that guy.
Everything is safe with moderation. Some comments say this guy was going for a personal recorded 1 rep max which is stupid. I workout, but for health first and aesthetics second. Meaning if I can't even get 8-12 reps from that weighted exercise, no way an I going to try it and risk injury. Get rid of the ego and lower the weight because building strength takes time.
@@1HeatWalk yeah and on top of that you can see the past set weights he did, doing way too much to his poor biceps lol
@@1HeatWalk in other words you don't train hard, you just exercise.
@@1HeatWalk lifting heavy is great thats not the problem. The problem is choosing dumb exercises too lift heavy, For instance if you to bench a 1rpm with safety bars even if you were to fail it by a mile it’s very unlikely you would be injured by it and instead your just look like a muppet.
@@simplyfitness892 Nothing wrong with lifting heavy for any muscle group assuming you can adhere to proper form. Going for a 1rm attempt on a preacher curl, where peak tension is at the most lengthened position of the bicep is certainly an incredibly stupid thing to do. There's really nothing wrong with full ROM on preacher curls either. This doofus probably did half reps on preacher curls and he tore his biceps because he was positionally weak where his tendon in that lengthened position is incapable of supporting such a load.
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The look of terror on his face is rough. I never ever do anything heavy with my biceps. They aren’t as big as every other muscle group but I don’t care I just want them to be healthy
You look sweet as shit
@@kevinayers6322 ya he does look a lil zesty
@@furysfriend3680 A guy smiling cheesily is automatically viewed as zesty/gay or whatever
That snapping is sickening. 😵
POP! Goes the weasel…
and the way he's looking at his arms after, nightmare fuel
“He went to snap city mane!”
This is why I never lift too heavy with the biceps. It’s unnecessary. Just hit them higher reps guys, especially on this full range
That tearing is tough to watch! I tore my biceps playing football way back in my college hay day. Got surgery the next morning, amazing physical therapy for the following 4 months, and was back at it. As a matter of fact, my bicep is bigger than it ever was, and just as strong. A quick turn-time on surgery, great therapy, and being young helped out tremendously. I know because I've since torn my triceps in the weight room then my quadriceps skateboarding, and neither ever healed to even 70% of what they once were. Being older, and having to wait 3-4 weeks for surgery just stacks the cards against you.
Try waiting months for WC. Most people don’t have the luxury of getting injured and immediately having surgery. Your a really lucky guy. Your insurance must be great.
@@morganschiller2288 well, yes and no … I was playing college football at the time, aka an asset; so they want you healthy and back in action ASAP so they can get that ROI with minimal downtime. So, yes, that was an absolute privileged occurrence.
Since then I've torn a triceps and a quadriceps, so I've dealt with 7 week and 4 week timeframes before surgery with those.
Unfortunately I'm not able to say the same about my left leg. I was young and dumb and decided to try heroin alone with nobody else with me. I ended up passing out on the floor with my left leg completely behind my head and the doctors think I was in that position for at least 24 hours. My mom showed up because she hadn't heard from me for several days and she was beside herself that her son would make such a poor choice. I made pretty much a full recovery but still have lingering pain in my knee that will likely cause problems as I get older
@@bend4852 Look into peptides and continuous rehab exercises dude. The medical field is moving at crazy speeds and the things that might trouble us as when we get older, might also be fully treatable by then.
Biceps tear from football?
It sort of reminds me when Vince McMahon tore both of his quads at the same time at the 2005 Royal Rumble. Just a freaky, very rare injury to happen on both limbs.
I have such a love/hate relationship with this channel. On one hand, I absolutely love the information you provide and the break down's you do.....BUT... On the other hand, I cringe so hard at these injury videos and have to turn a lot of them off bc I can almost feel the pain of the people in them..
Good for you, I'm shaking and had to lay down.
Always get queasy. I hate when doctors talk about the heart lol
I tell everyone I’ve ever coached that if they’re gonna do preacher curls, only go light, and for all curls, never fully extend the arm. Biceps tears just seem so avoidable when they occur in curls. It’s always at the bottom of a preacher curl… like gotta be 80% of them
The more dangerous, the more they’ll wanna do it. I’m looking for someone who can do 155 lb preacher curl. You get all the internet points if you can do it.
The most weight i will ever do is 30lbs with dumbbells i will supplement weight with high volume
Also don't do steroids because of the high potential for your muscle strength to outpace your tendon strength
@@madgamer44x lol
@@ZACH_95_ ??? What's so funny? Steroids allow your muscles to rapidly outgrow your tendons, ending up with disproportionately weak tendons to support the way stronger muscles
these ego lifting accidents will slowly stop people from ego lifting
Ego Lifting ?
Thats about 60 kilos, if he didn’t fully go down on the eccentric or if he trained his tendons through full rom occasionally he probably never would’ve got this
Preacher curls tend to have people that ego lift aka lift more than they can actually handle. Preacher curls in particular give the false sense that you can handle more weight than youre able to
@@logandavis954 tf you need to do preacher curls at that weight with his body weight for
Everyone ego lifts, show me one person who doesn't
Gruesome injury. Thanks for covering it, Dr.Sutterer.
Fantastic video, I used to be a fitness coach and knowing the biomechanics are tremendously helpful tools for teaching. Excellent analysis and explanation!
Poor guy, his biceps development looked amazing, wonder if he’ll have high insertions now.
That would SUCK!!
If he goes to a good surgeon his biceps will look like new, like before the tear. Today's advancement in surgery can get you a very satisfactory aesthetic result. Around 20 years ago one can only hope for attachment in most ugly way, but today thing have advanced quite much.
@thaz thaz 100k?? Holy shit, he's screwed.
Me retroactively relieved remembering the years alone in my backyard doing all kinds of max effort movements. Probably all wrong.
Really tough losing both guns. Wish him good recovery, mind and body.
Loved this video. Always appreciate some good educational content!
Great analysis Doc thank you for that 🙏
I tore my bicep tendon doing a chin-up , the tendon looked like an Alien wiggling around in my arm after it ruptured.
Ouch maybe your arms were doing more of the exercise than your back/lats?
Damn, did you got surgery?
@@kdenas It wouldn't heal without surgery
@@kdenas what sucks is if you rupture a bicep you only have a certain time to get surgery before it starts to scar up
@@Wickedgu3st Wow didn’t know that, that sucks :/
Same thing happened to me, luckily only on my left arm. Took me ages to recover but I’ve learned my lesson. Don’t ego lift while doing preacher curls!
If it was only on your left arm, then the same thing didn't happen to you.
@@JohnSmith-zn4uf You must have comprehension issues...
Watching this injury i started sweating. feels like i am done with my weekly cardio session only by breathing and sweating here.
great video.
thank you!
I cant watch this but good to listen scrolled down to comments section lol.
This is actually why I never do preachers, I can feel how much more load the tendons get..
For me the regular bicep curl standing up has always been the go to, just feel the safest then and still can go heavy
Doctor, I have seen quite a few distal biceps tendon ruptures including the infamous bilateral. nearly 9 out of 10 of those injuries were sustained performing the preacher curl. Based on clinical experience and with input from other Strength and Conditioning coaches there are a few reasons why this tends to happen.
1. The preacher bench gives lifters a level of support (as you stated in this video) that makes them feel like they can lift heavier than they otherwise would. This causes many lifters to load their bars in a way that are not appropriate for linear progressive overload.
2. As demonstrated by the lifter, when doing something like a ladder series to determine (potentially) 1 rep max lifters will often go for a standard (20kg/45#) olympic barbell instead of an easy curl bar because you can more readily add/subtract weight instead of having to switch out bars between lifts. Because the weight is further out on an Olympic bar relative to an easy curl bar this obviously extends the lever arm of the load adding additional stress to the structures responsible for moving the weight.
3. The preacher bench encourages full extension of the elbow joint. Many lifters believe that without full extension of the elbow at the bottom of the curl movement you wouldn't be doing a "full" curl and are therefore reducing the effectiveness of the lift. This is understandable as full range of motion isn't well defined outside of professional lifting organizations such as IPF. With that in mind most default to Full Range of Motion means "I can't go any further". I see this most frequently with preacher curls, squats (of all types), lunges and bench press.
Simple weight lifting instruction (and often ego checks) can prevent these injuries quite readily.
Popped right distal 24 years ago today. Never forget the snapping sound followed by intense pain. Cant imagine both popping. Damn.
Mind sharing what exercise it was?
I had the same injury, but 2 partial tears on one arm. No surgery, but it took about 18 months of physical therapy before it fully healed. 95% healed, so am very thankful.
LOVE your channel!
Hey Doc - would be great to hear an update on the Zach Wilson injury now it's been confirmed by team docs 👍
last i heard he was having surgery with a scope yesterday or the day before
Who the hell is Zach Wilson?
Thank you, honestly, for taking the moment to talk straight about the fact that this makes you concerned about the next time you’d go out and lift.
i am high as a kite reading this and im laughing my ass off!
Reading that sentence felt like having a stroke
Great video man!
For my whole life the leg press flamingo knee was my biggest fear in the gym, then I saw this video. Never will I ever do preacher curls ever again lmao
you can do them just fine just don't go overloading them like an idiot
I see some people lock out hard when doing leg press sometimes, it scares me.
@@steelermia IKR!! Just did them yesterday,only using twenty five pounds. Light weight,but no snap action.👍
OMG! This scared the crap outta me! F^ck!n A on the explanation Dr Sutterer. And you are right! I'm never doing preacher curls again.
It hurts insanely bad... I ruptured my left proximal bicep tendon in 2018. The sagging muscle would randomly spasm like a live-wire and thrash to the point I'd have exterior bruises appear on my skin that looked like I'd been hit in the bicep area with a baseball. It took the better part of a year before the random spasms subsided... The lasting impression my experience left on me is painful enough that I can barely even stomach watching someone else endure that (let alone THIS double biceps rupture!)... I'd seriously rather touch an electric fence.
I never got bruising from the spasms, but they were nevertheless uncomfortable, mostly because it happened to me unexpectedly. Whenever I hear or see anyone else tear their bicep, it brings back all those memories that I don't like to remember.
I tore mine also, was very painful prior to surgery. I was pretty bruised also.
how did you tear it?how is it now?
I have had this happen to both right and left distal biceps tendons (5 years apart). I had two different methods to reattach them. Double incision method on left arm and single incision on the right. The left tendon let go while doing single arm preacher curls with 30lbs. It happened on a Friday and I didn't opt for surgery right away because I was going to The Dominican Republic on the Sunday. I had the surgery when I returned (about 14 days after injury). The right arm went when I had my arm extended to lift a bench with a friend. As soon as I put load on it, it let go. I had been back to the gym for about 6 months at that time. I had surgery 4 days later this time. My advice is that the biggest difference maker in your recovery is how quickly you get surgery. My right arm is damn near perfect and my left biceps look different and I have nerve damage felt in my hand. Other than that, I feel very confident in my repairs. The Doctors assured me that they would be stronger than before. Both times I was off work for 4 months each. The first time I was using testosterone. The second time was damage done from using testosterone the first time. The first thing the doctor asked me when I went in was if I was on gear. When young, healthy people rupture biceps tendons it is almost always a result of steroid abuse. Anyway, I have been working out consistently now for years with no real issues from the biceps other than the annoying nerve stuff on the left and I guess a bit of loss of strength overall but you can still build muscle without having to go real heavy. My arms are looking pretty good if I do say so myself.
Muscles outgrow tendons especially if you are young and/ or enhanced.
Another fantastic video. I've learned so much, thanks for your work.
How long does it take to recover from such an injury?
All in all about a year or so depending on the person!! But could be longer to feel "normal" again, somewhat!! When it comes to doing what you were doing when you Injured it. To actually heal is about 4 months give or take, again, depending on the person!!
With surgery!!
@@812FoodReview psychological part takes the healing longer the most. There will always be hesitation when doing certain movement or activities.
@@812FoodReview Yep, it's a while. It's the main reason after having patellar tendonitis, I have a fear of rupturing my patellar tendons, so I rarely play basketball anymore :(
Tore my left bicep tendon about 8 years ago and had it repaired, couldn't imagine both at the same time that is brutal...
How kuch did it pain. Like the pain you could handle or just pass out!
@@njordapollon9631 When it happened I had zero pain and thought I cramped. My bicep went up towards my shoulder like in this video but no pain. I tried to stretch it and then knew I tore it. The bruising and coloration followed within 24 hours. After surgery came pain especially if trying to rotate my hand. Most pain post surgery is around the brachialis forearm muscle.
@@captainandrewcrabtree6535 Are you completely recovered now?
Don't fully extend, know your limits........(never break form). Time under tension, that small area of loading the muscles & keeping it there until failure will be most beneficial!
Aren’t your suppose to get that full range of motion tho
I prevent injuries by not overdoing it on eccentric and not training one muscle group to frequently. Plenty of rest. 3-5 day workouts a week. Depending if heavy or light.
Perfect video to watch before bicep day 🙃
For someone who works out in the daily and got into bodybuilding and powerlifting, this hits way too close to home. At least I understood a lot of the anatomical terms Doc used.
Hits close to home because we lift but how often do you do a ramping biceps 1rm test with a long af straight bar in a preacher set up? Ive never done it ever. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
@@maxpowers4436 I had a friend that tore his pec repping out light weight on the bench. He could easily do 315 for sets of 8-12, but it was a ''superset''. Only did 135lb which is one plate on each side, the pec curled straight up. F'n brutal. It's so scary because even light weight can do it. You never know when your time comes, it sucks. Scared me from working out for months.
Damn! I've gone through a distal bicep rupture myself... just one though. Although I work out regularly, I'm not a steroid user at all (which is why most of these injuries happen). Instead I ruptured mine during a mountain bike crash while grabbing a log - to keep myself from going over an embankment. Luckily I had it fixed within 36hrs. Recovery took 14-16 weeks...ish.
But because I was dedicated with my rehab - I managed to return to full range of motion (many don't) and full strength (again, many don't). But I attribute that to quick reattachment... plus slow, painful static wrist stretching every day. I also continued my workout regime (modified of course) starting a week after surgery. Not fun, but at least not life altering.
Nice explanation doctor, and stay safe y'all don't ego lift it's not worth it, just enjoy the process while slowly progressing
Love the sound it makes
I fear this injury the most
As long as you don't go for a bicep one rep max you should be pretty safe
@@zhard7890 it just the repetitive straining that worries me
Just modify it. Use dumbbell instead. If the goal is to build guns then lots of ways to skin a cat.
The injury i fear the most is breaking my dick. Too many close calls with girls jumping and bouncing on my dick im like wtf tale it easy biiiiitch!
I'll never do a preacher curl after this.....holly shit my heart skipped few beats
those deformities were intense 😮
Doc sure love that #33 🤔
I rarely ever max out or push high weight reps now that i'm approaching 40. it's just not worth it anymore and this video is another example of why
I'd love more information on the poor guy this happened to and his recovery.
He made a full recovery
@@Rickybobby34343 he died
@@AWSOMEPOSSUM16 the duality of internet info
@@AWSOMEPOSSUM16 that's horrible, 2 weeks ago he recovered but 10 days later he died 🤧
@@AWSOMEPOSSUM16 jajaja
I am glad you played the whole video. You can see at 7:30 how grindy that 115 rep was. Maybe it was a bad idea to go heavier if 115 caused you to shake that much.
Every time you show that clip, i feel the pain
Oh my...literally cringed watching his biceps rupture...that's literally one of my biggest fears when doing curls.
Natural range of motion might keep you away from injuries.
If you do this exercise without weights, your wrists will start to rotate, which is impossible when holding the barbell.
We move smoothly all our lives and then we go to the gym and exercise as if we were made of Lego bricks.
Did this to my right bicep in 2018. It changed everything for my arm workouts.
Mind sharing what exercise it was?
This is like the most iconic bicep tour video
Man, I train bi's pretty heavy too, never preacher though, pretty scary actually, I think mixed grip deadlift is something most people should avoid
Preacher is a great exercise imo. I think his mistake was using a barbell instead of an EZ-Bar and letting the weight drop all the way down while doing a "How much can i preacher curl challenge". Use proper load, equipment and technique and you'll be fine.
It should be noted natural lifters are less likely to raprure a tendon. Becuase our tendons and muscle development takes about the same amount of time to get equally strong. But for a enchanced lifter their muscles grow faster than their tendons this makes them more prone to injuries.
Another comment said he was doing a 1 rep max, so, just don't try to 1 rep max on isolation exercises. It's stupid. If you don't do that then I'm sure you'll be fine. Probably.
@@TheTwitchybird Yep, don't go fully extended, and use an EZ curl bar. It's the combination if being fully supinated and extending fully with a high load that causes these tears.
Nobody tore their biceps, being pronated. An extreme example of this is mixed grip deadlifts. If a tear happens, It's *always* the hand going under, i.e supinated.
I tore my right bicep (distal tendon rupture) a couple months before the video of this guy's injury came out. I have no idea how he functioned after the surgery with both arms in soft casts (assuming his recovery was similar to mine).
Mind sharing what exercise it was?
@@LiberatedMind1 deadlifts. Bicep that tore was on the supinated side. Had a couple of degrees of bend in the elbow and that was all it took (when I say a couple I literally mean less than 5 degrees, I've watched the video dozens of times).
@@thesuppcollector Ah I see, thanks for sharing that. Hope you are doing well now. I will always do deadlifts pronated from now on, as I already am.
@@LiberatedMind1 I'm actually almost at my 1 year mark since the surgery coincidentally. I'd say I'm about 99% recovered with the forearm strength of the injured arm slightly diminished, but all is well and I'm still strengthening/healing with time. Thank you! I will be doing only pronated deadlifts as well from now on lol
I am going back to basics now, walking,running and cycling.
No muscles torn but I had a cartilage transplant in my elbow between all three bones along with an allograph filling on the radius, going heavy on biceps is taking a while but ROM is amazing and pain is virtually gone.
Protection for this is what you call old muscle. Older guys who lift naturally will have bigger stronger tendons. If you are young and use enhancement you'll outgrow your tendons. Damaged tendons take weeks to heal if you take the time off to let them. ( if you hear a sound during a lift it's time for a break ) A complete tear like this is a surgery and months of doing nothing followed by more months of rehabilitation. Turns my stomach to see those muscles draw in.
I have ruptured my Achilles so I can imagine how he’s feeling. Worst year of my life.
I have done this, LH snapped deadlifting 3rd of december 2016 then other one (RH)randomly snaps without being used 3rd of may 2017…… 6 months apart exactly. Both required reconstructive surgery and was never the same.
I'm an arm wrestler. This is exactly why you see us "cheat curls" ( short range of motion) often times we are using more that maxed out weight for static holds with no range of motion(or micro movement). It takes years to develop these tendons. Your stronger the closer your hand is to your body. Plus your only ever stretched out if your losing. We don't train losing positions for the most part.
Basically, do a different exercise that works the same muscles groups bc this one isn’t safe 👍
New fear unlocked, thank you doctor
I hope this is not a stupid question, but is there a way to increase bodily tendon strength, or is there not? I hear people say going slow on the eccentric portion of an exercise, lift heavier weights, and eat certain foods.
I’ve alway been told it’s okay to max out compound movements and not isolate movements that only require one joint to complete the exercise. Also raptures of the tendons happen more often with PEDS users because their muscles get stronger quicker than their tendons
Mine snapped from my shoulder. I didn't hear a pop but it felt like a small snake was slithering into my bicep. Went to see an orthopedic surgeon oddly enough I didn't tear any muscle just snapped the tendon off. Doc said you could just leave it and look like Popeye and have a bigger bicep so I just opted to do that versus reattaching it. 8 months later it has not hindered me one bit when it comes to working out.
I tore mine in a mosh pit. Same result
what the hell
So you just have a loose bicep now?
Good thing I just had my bicep workout before watching this video. Seeing biceps rupture like that just makes me sick…
Also, I’m guessing a way to prevent this injury with this particular exercise is to limit the weight and maybe reduce the angle at which you extend? So, don’t fully extend the elbow as seen here? I do really like preacher curls as a bicep exercise so I’d hate the have to abandon them completely for fear of injury.
Abandon that stupid exercise. It does little for you. It's a sure way to tear a biceps. Also abandon the foolish decline press. It's a sure way to tear your pectoral muscle.
@@PUREGRAPP I never do decline press. I like preacher curls because they’re one of the few bicep exercises that actually feel like they do something for me though. For most other bicep exercises, it doesn’t feel like I get that same pump.
@@Alex-kd5xc You have tried inclined dumbbell curls?
@@NM-ev7pu inclined dumbbell curls and pull-ups are the two bicep workouts I do the most. Probably the only 2 besides preacher curls that do anything for me.
@Elvin Seudieu concentration curls are one of those bicep workouts that don’t do anything for me. Not sure why, but they don’t feel as good as decline dumbbell curls or preacher curls to me. I can do them forever and I’ll get tired but it just won’t feel like a good workout in the end.
he was curling 60kg…im not surprised this happened - especially on preacher curls, keep it light and aim for 8-10 reps for 3-4 sets. The biceps are small muscles so DO NOT ego lift with them. You’ll cause an injury as this fella did.
Had a partial tendon tare in my right bicep down near the attachment point in the forearm from a accident. Man they are the worst and my doc said as much you'd prefer a full tare over a partial because bloodflow to tendons and ligaments is limited. 9 month recovery and I'm still dealing with the muscles surrounding the tendon in protection mode. Lots of rehab and slow slow build back up. Took me a solid year to get that confidence back. I was lucky and it was only a small tare. A garage door shifted while I was lifting it during a storm and popped it.
It was so annoyingly painful, just a constant ache etc. Again this is more related to partials. I always thought a partial was the lesser with pain and discomfort but no. Because it didn't break fully it's inflamed like mad for a long long time. I couldnt rehab it until the swelling went down.
I finally got the ok from my rehab to go hard in the gym again from my physio and rehab but to be very careful. I avoid preacher curl because it's putting so much pressure on your joint. I only use light weight for preacher these days if I even do it.
My rehab doc said it would have been better with a full tare and surgery because they anchor the tendon back down stronger then before. Where as a partial for a lot of the rehab has a weak point. I needed constant scans to make sure it had healed over before we stepped it up. Almost a year recovery just under.
Both at the same time though man that would have been shitty recovery the weakness and ache in that area is awful. You forget how much you actually use your biceps until you can't use one or both.
there's no reason to preacher curl 135 unless you're some kind of competitive curler
I think it's 95 pounds; no? Aren't those 25 a side? Assuming it is a 45 pound (not 35 pd) bar, also.
@@mitchchuvalo799 the tear happens at 135. There’s check marks ✅ on the lifts he’s done already.
Big guns aint worth it aye 🤷♂️
The reason it's such a rare injury: most people aren't this stupid when training biceps.
45lb plates on a preacher curl. This is such a super isolation exercise, you don’t need that much weight. What this tells me is that he’s using it as a compound movement.
this is why I don't mess around with heavy weight, if you're bodybuilding you can do it with light weight and high reps. Even when I train strength I always do perfect form and don't do some weight that I can't do with perfect form
It's like Phil Heath said "I'd rather look like I bench 700 than actually bench 700"
Mike Mentzer was a genius 1x per week or 1 x 2 weeks gives your tendon time to recover.
Never fully extend or lock out bois! 👀
You can do it, but don't do it with very heavy weights.
@@NM-ev7pu never lockout joints, it serves no purpose except to wear n tear the joints... When you get old you will pay for it! 💯
@@jeepz669 why does locking out wear and tear joints? Aren't we all locking out out hip and knee joint every time we walk?
@@raymondqiu8202 stop it bro.. that's nonsense what you're saying. Lifting weights and your natural body movements aren't even the same thing..🙄
@@jeepz669 ah ok I didnt know that, but could you still explain why locking out is bad? I just wanna learn. Thanks
The only type of preacher curl is using the reverse 90 degree angle, which half my body was over the bench. This is more intense & provides resistance to the bicep (dumbells / 1 @ a time) in a safe curling manner
hope he gets well very soon .
to be fair nothing pisses me off more than seeing half curls with heavy weight on the precher. This guys form was spot on...Absolutley disgusting, not worth it to go too heavy on this one boys
Pissed*
You know why full extension with a heavy load on a preacher curl is a bad idea now
Hopefully he’s got a good friend to help him with personal cares.
I know...first thought from me after seeing the double rupture was...who's gonna wipe his a## now🤣 after taking a 💩 😄 not to mention holding the hot dog during a p@ss ( especially with no gf or wife)? Hope he's got one. It's a f@cking chore taking one with a severely sprained ankle.
That's why I'm now more conservative with my exercises compared to my 20s.
Every day activity require compound movements, what would you do in preacher curl position with 100lbs+ weight in everyday life?
In videos with mixed grip deadlifting it is always the supine grip bicep that tears. If you look at someone using a mixed grip from the side view and how the arms are not symmetrical out from the body one can see the supine grip arm is taking more load.
So when I do preacher curls, what should I do to avoid injury?
Additional question: how important is stretching before lifting weights? I’ve heard arguments both ways and I’m curious to hear from a doctor and not a gym bro.
Thanks for the content! I’ve been subscribed since the Markelle Fultz video!
just lift more bro💪
I think if you go faster on progressive overload the stretch and pump will help strengthen your tendons, the way he does it going slow like that really fatigues the muscle and puts his tendons at risk, especially at the bottom. Also the load is too heavy even though he has strong biceps it gives false confidence once the muscles fatigue
Pick a weight you can do 10-15 reps with and you should be safe. Don’t go for a one rep max on an isolation excercise like this one cause then you’re likely to get injured like the guy in the video.
In addition to my previous comment: if you want to strengthen your tendon you should pick light weights and really focus on the ecentric part of the movement. I’m talking about a 6 second ecentric each rep with light weight (just an example). This way you’re slowly strengthening your tendons.
The rep you can’t complete, don’t force it. Put the weight down
When you have mechanical failure, stop the set
You don’t need to go crazy with weight to gain muscle
Don’t look at your phone after a set. You’ll look at it looker than a minute and it will piss people off
Ugh. I ruptured my right distal tendon in a ski accident, crashing into a tree. I thought it was just a bad bruise and waited far too long to note that it was a rupture. When I finally did have surgery, the surgeon had to take a piece from my leg because the tendon had retracted too far. I went through the surgery and consequent physical therapy but then took a fall and re-ruptured it. So I just live with that now. There are two attachments so I can still use the muscle. Pronation is difficult and incomplete and I have the reverse Popeye look but, generally, I haven’t lost much use.
did you regain your previous strength in that arm?do you feel pain when you pronate the forearm?
Yes, I have full strength in the arm with the exception of when it's fully pronated and even then the loss is minimal. There's no pain. It is quite peculiar to look at, you can easily see where the tendon should be.@@chupaman998
Tore my distal biceps tendon 15 years ago during a deadlift. Supinated arm popped off the bone. As you say I almost waited too long to go to the hospital. Even a couple days later they were barely able to reattach it. Spent months in a sling immobilized after surgery. And many months getting my arm to fully straighten and to a point it could bare weight.. Lesson learned. Make sure you keep your arm locked straight during deadlifts. Oh, and no steroids involved. And not as EXTREMELY rare as you think when it involves mixed grip deadlifts
Brian I have a request explain Kurt Busch’s concussion he received at pocono qualifying
Remembering all the times this could have happened to me because I pushed myself too much at preacher's curl lmao. I never had an injury, but I could have. I won't stop doing preacher's curls but now I'm gonna be more careful and not push myself too much to reach muscle failure
Just remember don’t lift heavy, rule of thumb for isolation exercises,12 or more reps per set
If you don't take steroids then you have a very low chance of something like this ever happening
@@idz9278 alternatively you could lift heavy but only on the eccentric portion of the movement.
Lots of evidence that eccentric movements actually being the main driver of tendon growth.
So just lower it down slowly with 1 hand but don't attempt to pick it back up without using 2 hands.
I routinely do this with loads above my concentric 1 rep max, so it's definitely heavy and haven't had an issue.
It's essentially the same process as building straight arm strength in a planche lean.
How do you repair/heal from this type of tear?
IF IT'S A PARTIAL TEAR, SDCAR TISSUE WILL FORM AROUND THE TENDON THAT WAS PARTIALLY TORN..TOOK ME 6 MONTHS TO FINALLY FEEL COMFORTABLE LIFTING AGAIN. IF IT'S A FULL TENDON TEAR OF THE BICEP, THEN YOU NEED SURGERY. I HAD A PARTIAL TEAR IN 2015 FROM ARM WRESTLING, MY STRENGTH IS ABOUT 90% BACK, I FEEL A BIT OF TIGHTNESS SOMETIMES AND THE BICEP RETRACTED ABOUT ONE INCH UPWARD WHICH IS NOW PERMANENT BUT YOU CAN'T TELL THAT MUCH
Surgically. Otherwise goodbye to about 40 percent of your arm function and more strength than that.
@@nathanielovaughn2145 IF IT'S A COMPLETE TEAR THEN YES SURGERY, I HAD A PARTIAL TEAR AND I HAD NO SURGERY, I STILL LIFT TIL THIS DAY, ARM TURNED ALL COLORS AND I WENT FROM 100 PERCENT STRENGTH TO 2 PERCENT STRENGTH..I'M GOOD NOW SEE THUMBNAIL BICEP
I ruptured both. One 20 years ago preacher curl, and the other trying to push and lift a car out of a ditch 10 years ago. First surgery 20 years ago was poor. Fixed but lost supination and can’t extend my arm all the way anymore. Right arm 10 years ago was a better doc and 100% fixed. Left arm is never going to be right. I’m a guitar player also and the loss of supination sucks! Difference is the first surgery was semi immobilized for 3 months. Second doc said no cast and start flexing it and using it immediately but no heavy lifting of any kind. Was a big difference and I recovered almost right away without immobilizing it.
I’m literally taking a break from doing preachers right now! 😩
God that made me cringe!
To much steroids not natural at all
Every time I come to watch one of your videos, I'll feel a quick sharp little "ghost" pain in my left knee. I had surgery on my ACL. 12 years ago.
I ruptured my right lower biceps tendon while moving furniture, when my arm was in a nearly extended position. It was not very painful, even as it occurred, just kind of a mental shock. My surgery was 100% successful. Eventually I started free curls, starting light, and after I had lost some weight, I switched to pullups.