I get it's been almost 8 years since they watched it but they constantly misremember things that could just easily be looked up in like 5 seconds lol. Kinda crazy I've been watching them for 8 years now though
@@xyrots Gotta remember these are live reactions, and they're just talking off the top of their heads. They do sometimes look things up in videos, but you don't want them doing that every time they say something just to confirm it's accurate. I've been impressed by the amount they *do* remember, because after 8 years a show is such a vague memory I can't remember much else but the most major plot lines.
I’ve stepped off of their reactions for this series. The way they talk about it make them seem like super old people that just can’t accept small change or differences. They really wanted bumi in live action to act like an 8 year old. Since when have we ever accepted old ahh people acting as children?
18:10 In that episode, General Fong, the earthbender who wanted Aang to use the Avatar State to defeat the Fire Lord, and threatened Katara and Sokka, was voiced by Daniel Dae Kim, who of course plays Ozai in this.
Koh was TERRIFYING. Also love they brought in Korra’s Fog of Lost Souls, and the Mother of Faces. Shows they’re not just watching the original show. Would be wicked if we saw the statue of Wan or something early.
I don't think any adaptation is safe from the trappings of the word. It's almost too general a word for the vastly different attitudes and expectations people bring with them to the sofa or movie theatre. To some people, adaptation means full remake: no wiggle room, and anything less than shot-for-shot will always disappoint them. To some, they're fine with new material, but it HAS TO be in 100% accordance to the original's lore, to the point where it seems like what they really want is just a B-sides and "What if's?" to the original story, even though its suppossed to be a re-telling. (Think Lion King: The Pre-Sequel) Other's treat adaptations like a chance to take apart a cool Lego set and build something new with the same pieces. They like the Lego pieces individually, and would still enjoy a new creation as long as their favorite pieces are used somewhat the same way. Others still have no problem enjoying the equivalent to your drunk uncle retelling what happened at the Christmas party in your presence. You were there, and yeah you can tell he's getting some stuff wrong and embellishing, but he's funny and tells a good story so what the heck, all's fine in the end. The creator of Watchmen hated the Watchmen movie. It was a good movie! But to him, and some, adaptations are herecy by nature, because they value the original like sacred texts. These "groups" just form naturally, it seems. I think it's best to realize the nature of these attempts simply can't please all of the old fans, in any medium. If you happen to catch an adaptation that is best suited to please your "group", and you enjoy it, then I think that's all that matters. Objective reviews and rankings just aren't the most useful metric in grading projects like this: it all comes down to personal connections. The most successful ones just so happen to have enough stuff to appeal to the masses and make money.
That's a pretty good assessment of things, I especially like your comparisons to a Lego set and a drunk uncle, and just the facts that some people will look at it one way, some will do another, some will be okay with it and some won't, without leaning much towards either side
I think it's important to separate an adaptation from something inspired by, which would be your third option. Imho if the creators are upfront about something not being an adaptation and just inspired by some material I'll always try to judge it on its own merits. That's not the case for this though, this is adapting the same story, exploring it with the differences in medium and hindsight knowledge in mind. Honestly when we take that into consideration it's a flawed product, but really good nonetheless. Personally if I wanted a bit by bit retelling I'd rather just consume the original material anyway.
Sure, but that doesn't mean it deserves to be free from critique. Whatever direction they were going with adaptation we can weigh out why things were made this way, and if the changes that were made are acceptable and allow the story to flesh out better than if it was just a 1 to 1 recreation. I understand the distinctions you make between not being able to please all fans but that true of any remake or even sequels. Yet we are still able to aptly critique them without thinking it to be a useless exercise. I think you are ignoring we can have nuance between a 1 to 1 recreation and a dissection of the original piece. Why, because a 1 to 1 recreation may not work in a live action setting with half the episodes, and dissection might pull apart to many workings that undermines some of the themes or things it was aiming at. Sure people are going to have different wants for what the adaptation, but not all arguments are created equal, and I think some people's argument for a type of adaptation can be easily argued against than others.
with what eric said about the changes to aang with showing him running early so that it is more serious with the problem looming. the issue with that being he didn't run the show was very clear with him saying lets go fly for a bit i need to clear my head and then it happens so he wasn't really running from anything he spent like an hour to take a breath which is entirely reasonable for anyone of any age discovering what he did
That bar scene reminds me how aside from "The Great Divide" and "The Waterbending Scroll" this adaptation also skips over "Imprisoned" and "The Fortune Teller" episodes. Which honestly, if there are any Book One episodes you want to "cut out" then those would probably be the best ones. Though I wish they'd kept "The Deserter" episode but I guess the story they're trying to tell with this season didn't allow it to fit.
17:20 I think Aaron is talking about the episode "The Avatar State" which wasn't season 1 but was the first episode of season 2. Because in Book 1 Aang only goes into the Avatar State in the Southern Air Temple, Roku's temple, during "The Storm", and in the Northern Water Tribe.
Hakoda never talked bad about Sokka or doubted him as far as we know of in the animated series. This makes me think that even thought he can fight some what as a warrior he will lean more into his engineering side.
yeah i dont like how they kinda destroy hakodas image for Sokka's character development. if anything he was proud and unconditonally supportive of his children.
@@mathies3598 Yup I'm hoping it's a "but then they say something immediately after that shows how proud they are" situation when we eventually do meet him and revisit this scene
Something that I think could be argued about the Great Divide episode, is that the message wasn’t necessarily bad, just communicated poorly. The message (at least how I interpret it), isn’t that lying is ok, but that past conflicts become an issue when it can potentially lead to your own doom because you’re more focused on that conflict than the current one. The two tribes were so focused on showing up the other, that they refused to find a way to cooperate to save their own lives. You could argue that we see this same thing later in the show (the conflict between Toph and Katara, the Gaang not wanting to accept Zuko in the Western Air Temple because of his previous actions, etc)
@@Ninten007 same. I mean, i enjoyed it, but episode 5 is the only one who i really didn't like. When i made a rewatch last week, i skipped it, cause i really didn't like it
I read Hakodas body language that he is actually talking about himself (failing to keep the village safe during the attack) or atleast the general fear of leading other people into danger.
The theory is that the water bender they were looking for was Hana who escaped from the fire nation prison. They expected her to return to her home tribe in the south pole. Unknown to them she stayed in the fire nation. The reason they no longer take prisoners is because of her blood, bending technique and word of her being able to do this would have spread throughout the Fire nation Navy.
This theory is very clearly false. For one thing the timeline doesn't match up. Hama escaped while still very young, the gaang meet her when she's an old woman. Blood bending was also still unknown, even to the fire nation so they wouldn't have known she was controlling them specifically through waterbending. If they did they'd have spread propaganda about it to further justify their reasoning for taking out water benders, just like they did for the airbenders. They'd have also paid a lot more attention to taking out the water tribes if they knew such an ability existed.
I’ve always loved that theory. I mean to be fair the fire nation navy could have just paused for a few decades in fear of bloodbending and then when a new commander took control of that section of their navy he decided to attack and kill waterbenders to not risk being bloodbent by taking any of them as prisoners.
@@SerendipitousDays Except the fire nation never knew about blood bending. The world never knew about it till katara outlawed it. If they did the man katara blood bent in the southern raiders episode wouldn't of been so surprised.
@@Auron1Roxas2It is possible they thought Hama had some kind of power given to her by a spirit, that was unique to to the southern water tribe, like the ocean and moon are to the north. Or more likely they her southern water benders had a terrifying power and kept a close eye on the southern water tribe, a scout saw Katara practising, her hood was up, so they couldn't see her face and she was to far away to tell she was a kid, and the fire lord ordered the bender killed.
June was in an earth kingdom bar when Zuko and iron found her. They combined elements of the swamp episode with this one. That is when Katara thought she saw her mom. We however do not see toph like we saw in the animated series we see gyatso. Koh stole peoples faces if they showed expressions. I think he is just a monster here.
he's taking their faces. this is also not the swamp, more like they took elements from Korra with the fog of lost souls and delved deeper into HOW the fog infects your mind.
@@Animalfriend777 Oh gotcha. I was really confused why Sokka said it in the LA because they forgot to provide any context. Guess he flirted with someone off-screen.
I wonder, in this continuity, what did they do involving the pirates? Because in the original show Katara stole the water bending scroll from them and they tried to get it back. In THIS show Katara already had the scroll, snuck to her by Grangran.
I don't really like the Azula changes so far BUT I am glad they made some changes because I like seeing adaptations change things as long as they make sense in the story.
Ok, without watching, tell me they brought up that owl is voiced by grandpa from Dragonball Evolution and Eric is mad and yelling: "Stop that! He's the Keymaker from Matrix 2"
Sokka's arc in the cartoon was that anybody can be a competent warrior. It started in season 1 with him not believing girls could fight In season 3 he starts feeling useless because everyone can do "magic" and he just throws boomerangs. He goes to train With master Piandao and learns non-benders can be competent warriors too. Its consistent in Netflix with him not feeling like a competent or good enough Water Tribe warrior. Sokka is the best thing in the Netflix show by far. The writers just copied and pasted him over. Love that
What? That's entirely stripped away here. You must be joking. It's a few lines of exposition throughout about him wanting to be a good warrior, but that's barely actually developed and he has no actual flaws in this show unlike the cartoon. They took away an important arc for him and didn't replace it with anything.
@@za-ir5niyou mean the flaw of him having horrible PTSD and anxiety of not being accepted as a leader of his tribe and living up to his fathers name??? You don’t know what you’re talking about. Season 2 gets very story heavy for Sokka anyways. Season 1 was always about katara
@@BlessedmanPlaysMC It's not "horrible PTSD and anxiety". Don't lie. He heard his dad one time say he failed so he wants to prove himself now. He's perfectly confident and competent throughout. That's not a character flaw. It seems like you don't know what that means. He doesn't make mistakes or have flawed biases that he overcomes here unlike in the original. Book 1 was actually about all 3. That's why there was so much time spent developing their relationships and characters unlike here. So you clearly didn't understand the original. I guarantee I understand both more than you. I actually know how writing works ;) I guarantee I understand both series more than you. That's why I can call one well written and the other poorly written.
@@za-ir5niI barely even bothered processing anything you said in your comment because of how rude your tone was, this is what happens when people aggressively voice their opinions rather than be respectful of others…
I think they decided to not apply the rule of showing no emotion so Koh can't steal a face to make him more of a menace (and also probably because it's extremely hard for a human to actually be inexpressive), all while combining all the times Aang went to the spirit world during Book 1 into one single episode so they can move the story along. If it is to make Team Avatar face danger in the Spirit World, then using Koh as the threat is the best solution. But of course they needed a reason to make Koh the threat, so using the Fog of the Lost Souls (an element from The Legend of Korra) and have Koh hunt for victims there and actually act as a real predator not only makes him much more of a threat, but also makes him even creepier. And I just love that they made Koh's relationship with the Avatar even more complex. Not only they kept the fact he stole Ummi's face, but they also made him to have some history with other Avatars, including Roku... something they did in order to give Aang an excuse to go to the former's temple, since they are scrapping the nine-month-limit for the latter to learn the elements.
It's funny, with the fire? As someone who lives not too far from Yosemite, that... doesn't strike me as weird at all. Sequoias REQUIRE getting burned down periodically as part of their life cycle. Most forests thrive on periodic fires.
I love that this episode is called Spirited Away, it feels appropriate given the fact that we see three spirits from the series in one episode. Plus, I remember watching the original movie Spirited Away when I was in Middle School so it it's a fun little reference.
In the cartoon, Azula was a straight up psychopath. She had her breakdown at the end and was very focused on perfection from the start, but she was just cold and crazy. Here, they are showing her insecurity. While I like adding more dimension to her character, pure psycho Azula is way more terrifying lol
If I wanted to watch something like the animation, I would watch the animation. I love the LA because I can once again see a new story, once agian see characters develop in a way that still keeps me enthralled. I felt the same when seeing Percy Jackson LA, cause being a hardcore fan of the books, I was just happy to see my characters brought to life even if the story changed in many ways. The essence was still there. Yes, there is a lot of tell - not show in these LA adaptations, but I don't mind it. It is still FUN. Because I chose to stop comparing, and start seeing in its own right. They got the bending right, many of the characters right (especially Zuko, Iroh, Sokka), my only caveats are Aang (he will improve, he has grown by what 3-4 years since filming? he will surprise in S2), same with Katara. But I loved the entire season. Next episode is a highlight for me. And the final one is mind blowing! It captures the heart of the show 8/10 times. It's by no means perfect, but even ATLA was not perfect in many episodes which I skipped cause it was too boring with no character growth.
The fact that you think there were many eps in the original that didn't develop the characters shows me that you didn't even understand why the writing in the original was good in the first place. People are pointing out the very noticeable downgrade in the writing here that changes some of the characters for the worst, not that they wanted a 1:1 adaptation. Zuko was really the only character that got developed this season.
@@za-ir5ni they didn't though :) And the writing was bad in many episodes for the original too. For me few of S1 and few of S2 were pretty boring. S3 was fire tho. Quite literally. I agree the character development on the show hasn't been the greatest, especially for Aang & Katara. But Sokka, Iroh, Azula, Ozai, and Zuko were close to perfect imo. People saying: Oh Azula is not that unhinged, I mean she wasn't even shown much in S1 in animated version. They started building her here. My only caveat has been Aang going through the motions. That's why the 8/10. But it's by no means 'appalling', 'not worth watching', 'compared to the original it is shit', as many on the internet seem to say. Like my comment said, stop comparing to the original and see it for what it is. For people who never watched ATLA, this is a perfect introduction. For people who already watched it, well some can ignore the original and watch this for what it is some unfortunately have their panties in a bunch crying over something they will have no control over (cause it is now renewed for the 2nd and 3rd season) 🙂
@@za-ir5ni The fact that you think Zuko is the only character that got developed shows me that you didn't even understand the writing for the other characters in the live action. They are different, but that doesn't make them bad characters.
That right. if they want the live be same like anime they should go watch the old show than because they can't do the same things because it will be boring actually even in old show i hate alot of eps like i don't why they even made it but zuko eps was good even the one when he was alone like he you can see he change in it the writer did a great job with zuko character it really good it felt that it was zuko story more than Aang actually i think they should write zuko story alone and made it anime or show tv because it interest 😊
By this time when we had the scroll aang was practicing water bending here he hasn’t touched a drop for real. The forest spirit hei bai here!!!! There was a wolf spirit in the spirit world but it was giant in the background. There were also fox spirits at the library episode but they never talk they aided wan shi tong the owl spirit who name means he who knows 10 thousand things
People need to understand that animation is not the same as live action. Each episode of the live action is 50 minutes to an hour while each animated episode is 20 minutes. So 1 live action episode equals 3 animated episodes. I’ve seen a lot of people say that they’re rushing these storylines but if you do the math, they aren’t. 20 minutes x 20 episodes is 400 minutes. 50 minutes x 8 episodes is also 400 minutes. It’s literally the same amount of time.
You realize that the fact that they have similar runtimes is an indictment on this adaptation because it is rushed right? You're forgetting they're trying to add original scenes AND things from later seasons to this one too.
What the 20 minute episodes have an advantage in is that they can cut the story there and got straight into the next. The LA is doing pretty well with the episode run that it was given
Did you know that the og show was rushed too? You can't just feel it much cause it's in animated form. Our expectation becomes ground and closer to reality cause it's played by live actors. I realized this when I started to question myself, why is Aang accompanied by just kids?
If they hadn't changed koh's way of stealing faces and it was still him taking faces because of emotions then it would have been way better. They should know when to change things when they shouldn't unless they can bring in better alternative
Jarvis was a butler in the original comics, but in the MCU he's an AI. It's not about what should and shouldn't be changed, it's about if you could nail it properly.
i think with this episode i have run out of fucks to give for this show, i have been trying my best to give the show a chance especially with the first omashu episode being so good but its clear the team that was in charge of the shows visuals and effects were incredibly talented and they thought it was enough to make up for some pretty appalling writing and story direction. the sad fact is they have proved they can do some things well, for instance the combining of the stories in the first omashu episode was handled amazingly, the writing for iroh and sokka the whole time has been pretty great but that just makes the bad parts which is 75% of the writing and pretty much all the rearranging of the story and motivations
I give this show a 4/10…mainly because of VFX and Zuko/Iroh scenes…This was the episode and then beginning of episode 6 I had to shut it off lol. I gave up. I never expected this to be a 1:1 adaptation but it really felt like the creators thought they will not get a season 2. As fans of the OG we know these characters, know who they are. I think a-lot of people are excited because they are just witnessing it come to LA and atleast to some extent matching the aesthetics. But no there is no proper explanation or no essence of who these characters actually are. Combining so many different characters that come at different points it really doesn’t serve any purpose to the story. Katara and Sokka ending up in the spirit world makes no sense at all. There is no need to introduce Azula or Ozai right now. Could’ve used those minutes to flesh out more characters. Wan Shi Tong is quite important lol and he should be at the library. It still exists at this point, he oversees it and has been prior to the 100 year war. Also Hei Bai? Totally wasted that character. Koh eats his food??? lol he is a god damn face stealer..much more menacing and audience is left with no fear for him. Lets not even go to Roku my god. Also the show is called Avatar master of all 4 elements…Aang be like nah I don’t want to learn water bending this season. Where is the mystery with this show that we had???? Changes are acceptable when it makes the story better. This does not. It seems like Netflix stepped in and said lets add this and this….also this because fans love these characters. Its just fan service. NO. More and more I see why the creators left. They were disrespected with their source material. At the end of the day they are the creators, they should have the approval like Oda did for One Piece. I can keep going on and on but as a true fan of the OG I can’t respect what they have done here.
You're not a true fan for disliking it. It's fine you disliked it though, same way it's fine that other OG fans liked it. Not because of 'just' seeing things in real life, but because they appreciated the adaptation (or parts of it) for what they were and enjoyed watching it.
@Phoenix-ti6tx It just seems al expensive that I figured Netflix wouldn't go for it despite ratings. I'm glad they did, though, because you can tell the actors clearly have a love for the series
I don’t understand Eric saying to not compare the original and the live action: People are literally watching it because of the original that’s the reason it’s so popular they literally have the same name
That just shows you misunderstand his point. He's not saying NOT to compare it, he's saying to not let your comparison affect your opinion of the live action show. If you focus so much on comparing them and seeing whether or not the live action show lives up to the original, then you're just going to be consistently disappointed, and that's not the feeling anyone wants to come away with after watching a show.
@@DarthTingleBinks But FANS are watching this because of the animated show! Exclude fresh viewers. I agree that you do not have to compare constantly but you have to compare at some points bc you are fan of OG show. Like I did not nitpick about every moment that is diffirent from animated show but as a fan this show did not give me the feeling of the animated series. The only thing I loved about the changes is Zuko, Iroh and thier dynamic. Our main 3 is just meh. I am just sying that if you are fan you just cannot stop comparing it with animated show. After all LA follow the same story, features the same characters and so on. LA is not about new stuff. It is ADAPTION. And I am gonna judge how it adapts the animated series as a fan.
@@damirturakbayev5215 1. It's an adaptation, not adaption. That's not a word. 2. The entire point of adaptations is to do something new. And the show succeeded at that while also telling the same general story as the original. 3. I understand that most people watching this are fans of the original. It's the same for me. But other than poor performances, cramming too many storylines into episodes 5 & 6, and occasionally spotty CG, I didn't let any of the changes affect my enjoyment of the show. I actually liked all of the changes the show made and occasionally preferred the new show to the original. But sure, overall, I think the original is superior as far as book 1 goes. But this show is more than sufficient as an adaptation.
@@DarthTingleBinks But do you agree that this show does not give the same overall feeling that animated show gives? For me this show feels like okay, move on kind of thing. This is just first season and I hope it gets better but for a fresh viewer I would not recommend this. I would say just watch the animated series. But if person for some reason do not like animation then sure you would recommend LA. But I would give a warning that LA does not feel like animated series and you cannot fully experience the world of ATLA with this show.
Probably the worst ep of the series in terms of adapting. Everything about the Spirit World was done pretty clumsily. Don't know why Wan Shi Tong was here. Not showing emotion around Koh is thrown away for some reason. The story with Hei Bai is sidelined for the most part. Why did the writers feel they needed to shove all these things in one ep so early? The one good change was Aang reuniting with Gyatso.
I feel bad for the fans who reject the live adaptation. Personally i was looking for a different look from other perspectives instead of the original all over again
The cramming of the Spirit World elements was soo sloppy. They didn't follow the canon whatsoever. Aang pullin Katara & Sokka into the Spirit World? Wtf? Koh is the Facestealer for a reason yet they ignored what their abilities are, Hei Bei sending them to the Fog of Lost Souls? Like wtf?? How can we not compare both shows when 1 is jus making crap up and expecting us jus to ignore it. Naw I'm good, outside of Irohs story in this episode the rest was awful imo.
I don't mind straying from cannon as long as all the character development points and story beats are there, and I liked most of this Netflix series, but the changes to the spirit world suck out in a bad way for me. It wasn't enough to take me out of my enjoyment of the series as a whole, but it was definitely a low point. Although it was nice to see how Katara's mom protected her.
I don’t mind it being a bit different if it’s one for one like the cartoon it’s not fun lol like with the Harry Potter movies or lord of the rings or even the batman movies non of em are like he comics or cartoons or games
If it’ was a one to one remake there’s no point in watching it. It’s supposed to change things up a little. Also by nature of it being live action it literally can’t do the same things.
@@JK_of_TodayNobody said anything about it needing to be a 1:1 remake. They're talking about changes that impact the fundamental nature of the characters or lore for the worse.
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The Great Divide was not a two-parter, Calvin. Might just feel like it for some people!
I think he is thinking of the two parter in S2 when they go on the serpents pass
If someone told me that it was a two-parter, I would believe it.
I wanted to write this too xd
I get it's been almost 8 years since they watched it but they constantly misremember things that could just easily be looked up in like 5 seconds lol. Kinda crazy I've been watching them for 8 years now though
@@xyrots Gotta remember these are live reactions, and they're just talking off the top of their heads. They do sometimes look things up in videos, but you don't want them doing that every time they say something just to confirm it's accurate. I've been impressed by the amount they *do* remember, because after 8 years a show is such a vague memory I can't remember much else but the most major plot lines.
blind wave and badd medicine uploading the avatar reactions the same day every time is kinda funny
Haven’t been able to watch badd medicine since half of them had such foul reactions to the Barbie movie. They just make my skin crawl now. Idk.
I’ve stepped off of their reactions for this series.
The way they talk about it make them seem like super old people that just can’t accept small change or differences.
They really wanted bumi in live action to act like an 8 year old.
Since when have we ever accepted old ahh people acting as children?
@@BlessedmanPlaysMC Adults who act like children expect everyone else to do the same, and can't cope when they don't.
@@UserName-vb4lgyou make my skin crawl and I doubt they care that you don’t watch them anymore if you’re going to talk “FOUL” about them
@@BlessedmanPlaysMCso you stopped reacting to them because of that? You sound like a pure child
18:10 In that episode, General Fong, the earthbender who wanted Aang to use the Avatar State to defeat the Fire Lord, and threatened Katara and Sokka, was voiced by Daniel Dae Kim, who of course plays Ozai in this.
Koh was TERRIFYING. Also love they brought in Korra’s Fog of Lost Souls, and the Mother of Faces. Shows they’re not just watching the original show. Would be wicked if we saw the statue of Wan or something early.
That moment with Gyatso truly broke my heart....
And who knew we all needed a therapeutic talking fox with multiple tails in our lives. Lol
I don't think any adaptation is safe from the trappings of the word. It's almost too general a word for the vastly different attitudes and expectations people bring with them to the sofa or movie theatre.
To some people, adaptation means full remake: no wiggle room, and anything less than shot-for-shot will always disappoint them. To some, they're fine with new material, but it HAS TO be in 100% accordance to the original's lore, to the point where it seems like what they really want is just a B-sides and "What if's?" to the original story, even though its suppossed to be a re-telling. (Think Lion King: The Pre-Sequel)
Other's treat adaptations like a chance to take apart a cool Lego set and build something new with the same pieces. They like the Lego pieces individually, and would still enjoy a new creation as long as their favorite pieces are used somewhat the same way. Others still have no problem enjoying the equivalent to your drunk uncle retelling what happened at the Christmas party in your presence. You were there, and yeah you can tell he's getting some stuff wrong and embellishing, but he's funny and tells a good story so what the heck, all's fine in the end.
The creator of Watchmen hated the Watchmen movie. It was a good movie! But to him, and some, adaptations are herecy by nature, because they value the original like sacred texts. These "groups" just form naturally, it seems.
I think it's best to realize the nature of these attempts simply can't please all of the old fans, in any medium. If you happen to catch an adaptation that is best suited to please your "group", and you enjoy it, then I think that's all that matters. Objective reviews and rankings just aren't the most useful metric in grading projects like this: it all comes down to personal connections. The most successful ones just so happen to have enough stuff to appeal to the masses and make money.
That's a pretty good assessment of things, I especially like your comparisons to a Lego set and a drunk uncle, and just the facts that some people will look at it one way, some will do another, some will be okay with it and some won't, without leaning much towards either side
I think it's important to separate an adaptation from something inspired by, which would be your third option. Imho if the creators are upfront about something not being an adaptation and just inspired by some material I'll always try to judge it on its own merits. That's not the case for this though, this is adapting the same story, exploring it with the differences in medium and hindsight knowledge in mind. Honestly when we take that into consideration it's a flawed product, but really good nonetheless. Personally if I wanted a bit by bit retelling I'd rather just consume the original material anyway.
That's a lot of words for "just mindlessly enjoy things, don't criticize anything"
Sure, but that doesn't mean it deserves to be free from critique. Whatever direction they were going with adaptation we can weigh out why things were made this way, and if the changes that were made are acceptable and allow the story to flesh out better than if it was just a 1 to 1 recreation. I understand the distinctions you make between not being able to please all fans but that true of any remake or even sequels. Yet we are still able to aptly critique them without thinking it to be a useless exercise. I think you are ignoring we can have nuance between a 1 to 1 recreation and a dissection of the original piece. Why, because a 1 to 1 recreation may not work in a live action setting with half the episodes, and dissection might pull apart to many workings that undermines some of the themes or things it was aiming at. Sure people are going to have different wants for what the adaptation, but not all arguments are created equal, and I think some people's argument for a type of adaptation can be easily argued against than others.
Gyatso is literally just a save checkpoint where the player can’t get hurt lol
Seeing Aang talk with Gyatso one last time is both sweet and heartbreaking as it is the last time we see him, even in spirit reaalms.
with what eric said about the changes to aang with showing him running early so that it is more serious with the problem looming. the issue with that being he didn't run the show was very clear with him saying lets go fly for a bit i need to clear my head and then it happens so he wasn't really running from anything he spent like an hour to take a breath which is entirely reasonable for anyone of any age discovering what he did
That bar scene reminds me how aside from "The Great Divide" and "The Waterbending Scroll" this adaptation also skips over "Imprisoned" and "The Fortune Teller" episodes. Which honestly, if there are any Book One episodes you want to "cut out" then those would probably be the best ones. Though I wish they'd kept "The Deserter" episode but I guess the story they're trying to tell with this season didn't allow it to fit.
17:20 I think Aaron is talking about the episode "The Avatar State" which wasn't season 1 but was the first episode of season 2. Because in Book 1 Aang only goes into the Avatar State in the Southern Air Temple, Roku's temple, during "The Storm", and in the Northern Water Tribe.
Hakoda never talked bad about Sokka or doubted him as far as we know of in the animated series. This makes me think that even thought he can fight some what as a warrior he will lean more into his engineering side.
yeah i dont like how they kinda destroy hakodas image for Sokka's character development. if anything he was proud and unconditonally supportive of his children.
@@mathies3598 Yup I'm hoping it's a "but then they say something immediately after that shows how proud they are" situation when we eventually do meet him and revisit this scene
Something that I think could be argued about the Great Divide episode, is that the message wasn’t necessarily bad, just communicated poorly. The message (at least how I interpret it), isn’t that lying is ok, but that past conflicts become an issue when it can potentially lead to your own doom because you’re more focused on that conflict than the current one. The two tribes were so focused on showing up the other, that they refused to find a way to cooperate to save their own lives. You could argue that we see this same thing later in the show (the conflict between Toph and Katara, the Gaang not wanting to accept Zuko in the Western Air Temple because of his previous actions, etc)
this was the turning point of the season for me. it was when I began to realize what they were doing with the story and I realized I was all in.
Interesting… this was actually when the series lost me
@@Ninten007 same. I mean, i enjoyed it, but episode 5 is the only one who i really didn't like. When i made a rewatch last week, i skipped it, cause i really didn't like it
same
@@Ninten007Agreed. I enjoyed this episode the least…made how great episode 6 was h i t less
Exactly the same here. I was about to turn it off because of what they did to Bumi. But then this ep really got me back on board.
I read Hakodas body language that he is actually talking about himself (failing to keep the village safe during the attack) or atleast the general fear of leading other people into danger.
For the record, June's animal is a "Shirshu" it's a mix of a giant anteater, a wolf and a star nosed mole.
The theory is that the water bender they were looking for was Hana who escaped from the fire nation prison. They expected her to return to her home tribe in the south pole. Unknown to them she stayed in the fire nation. The reason they no longer take prisoners is because of her blood, bending technique and word of her being able to do this would have spread throughout the Fire nation Navy.
This theory is very clearly false. For one thing the timeline doesn't match up. Hama escaped while still very young, the gaang meet her when she's an old woman. Blood bending was also still unknown, even to the fire nation so they wouldn't have known she was controlling them specifically through waterbending. If they did they'd have spread propaganda about it to further justify their reasoning for taking out water benders, just like they did for the airbenders. They'd have also paid a lot more attention to taking out the water tribes if they knew such an ability existed.
@@Auron1Roxas2 hey hey I’m just saying it existed is all lol
I’ve always loved that theory. I mean to be fair the fire nation navy could have just paused for a few decades in fear of bloodbending and then when a new commander took control of that section of their navy he decided to attack and kill waterbenders to not risk being bloodbent by taking any of them as prisoners.
@@SerendipitousDays Except the fire nation never knew about blood bending. The world never knew about it till katara outlawed it. If they did the man katara blood bent in the southern raiders episode wouldn't of been so surprised.
@@Auron1Roxas2It is possible they thought Hama had some kind of power given to her by a spirit, that was unique to to the southern water tribe, like the ocean and moon are to the north. Or more likely they her southern water benders had a terrifying power and kept a close eye on the southern water tribe, a scout saw Katara practising, her hood was up, so they couldn't see her face and she was to far away to tell she was a kid, and the fire lord ordered the bender killed.
June was in an earth kingdom bar when Zuko and iron found her. They combined elements of the swamp episode with this one. That is when Katara thought she saw her mom. We however do not see toph like we saw in the animated series we see gyatso. Koh stole peoples faces if they showed expressions. I think he is just a monster here.
He still steals faces, they just haven't explained the rules
@@Jehphg ooooh thanks
@@Kidapollo92 no problem
he's taking their faces. this is also not the swamp, more like they took elements from Korra with the fog of lost souls and delved deeper into HOW the fog infects your mind.
@@mathies3598 no they took the part of the swamp where Sokka sees yue Katara sees her mom is what I’m saying
Seasons 2 and 3 are already greenlit, guys! 👍
“Frog or froggy-thing” a plain frog is a weird thing in this world. 😂
Oh yeaah like ‘just a bear’ is weird 😂
And the fox they saw entering the library😂 (Sokka: what animal is that?)
The one joke I wish they had included
"How was I supposed to know she was Fire Nation?"
"She was wearing red!"
I don’t even remember this scene. Do you know what episode? I can’t remember Sokka having a crush on a 3rd person.
@@chaotic7cam it’s not a line or moment from the series, it was just a joke I thought of
@@Animalfriend777 Oh gotcha. I was really confused why Sokka said it in the LA because they forgot to provide any context. Guess he flirted with someone off-screen.
@@chaotic7camit was this episode as a throwaway line. they meant have it included in the reaction
Katara should’ve said “her name was sapphire fire!” Reference to kataras fake name when they pretended to be aangs parents in the fire nation
June 🔥🔥🔥
The episode started with ambient noise. But everything changed when the Fire Nation attacked.
I wonder, in this continuity, what did they do involving the pirates? Because in the original show Katara stole the water bending scroll from them and they tried to get it back. In THIS show Katara already had the scroll, snuck to her by Grangran.
Season 2 and 3 is already confirmed on the YT of Netflix poggers
"like a 100 feet to the left" this made me spit out my burger bite.
You guys in the intro during the fire part was unexpected idk if I just caught this but was very funny
I have been waiting for this
surprised they didnt talk about the fog of lost souls
I love that they did Sokka rhyming as a nod to the haiku battle in book 3.
I don't really like the Azula changes so far BUT I am glad they made some changes because I like seeing adaptations change things as long as they make sense in the story.
I can’t wait to see Zuko and Azula fight & I love how everything looks in this show they did a hell of a job
Netflix recently renewed ATLA for Books 2 and 3
He as the Sokka cadence so down.
So good 👏🏼
Ok, without watching, tell me they brought up that owl is voiced by grandpa from Dragonball Evolution and Eric is mad and yelling: "Stop that! He's the Keymaker from Matrix 2"
This was the only episode that made me look at my phone if the episode was over jet 😆 The Flash backs was the interating parts
The Great Divide wasn't a two parter. It was just episode 11.
It would be cool to remake the Amber island episode and cast for that dudes from The Last Airbender movie😁
Sokka's arc in the cartoon was that anybody can be a competent warrior. It started in season 1 with him not believing girls could fight
In season 3 he starts feeling useless because everyone can do "magic" and he just throws boomerangs. He goes to train With master Piandao and learns non-benders can be competent warriors too.
Its consistent in Netflix with him not feeling like a competent or good enough Water Tribe warrior.
Sokka is the best thing in the Netflix show by far. The writers just copied and pasted him over. Love that
What? That's entirely stripped away here. You must be joking. It's a few lines of exposition throughout about him wanting to be a good warrior, but that's barely actually developed and he has no actual flaws in this show unlike the cartoon. They took away an important arc for him and didn't replace it with anything.
@@za-ir5niyou mean the flaw of him having horrible PTSD and anxiety of not being accepted as a leader of his tribe and living up to his fathers name???
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Season 2 gets very story heavy for Sokka anyways. Season 1 was always about katara
@@BlessedmanPlaysMC It's not "horrible PTSD and anxiety". Don't lie. He heard his dad one time say he failed so he wants to prove himself now. He's perfectly confident and competent throughout. That's not a character flaw. It seems like you don't know what that means. He doesn't make mistakes or have flawed biases that he overcomes here unlike in the original.
Book 1 was actually about all 3. That's why there was so much time spent developing their relationships and characters unlike here. So you clearly didn't understand the original. I guarantee I understand both more than you. I actually know how writing works ;)
I guarantee I understand both series more than you. That's why I can call one well written and the other poorly written.
@@za-ir5niI barely even bothered processing anything you said in your comment because of how rude your tone was, this is what happens when people aggressively voice their opinions rather than be respectful of others…
@@SerendipitousDays Not an argument
I am so glad that they didn't have Iroh being the one flirting.
I think they decided to not apply the rule of showing no emotion so Koh can't steal a face to make him more of a menace (and also probably because it's extremely hard for a human to actually be inexpressive), all while combining all the times Aang went to the spirit world during Book 1 into one single episode so they can move the story along. If it is to make Team Avatar face danger in the Spirit World, then using Koh as the threat is the best solution. But of course they needed a reason to make Koh the threat, so using the Fog of the Lost Souls (an element from The Legend of Korra) and have Koh hunt for victims there and actually act as a real predator not only makes him much more of a threat, but also makes him even creepier. And I just love that they made Koh's relationship with the Avatar even more complex. Not only they kept the fact he stole Ummi's face, but they also made him to have some history with other Avatars, including Roku... something they did in order to give Aang an excuse to go to the former's temple, since they are scrapping the nine-month-limit for the latter to learn the elements.
You will see the Agni Kai in episode six.
It's funny, with the fire?
As someone who lives not too far from Yosemite, that... doesn't strike me as weird at all. Sequoias REQUIRE getting burned down periodically as part of their life cycle. Most forests thrive on periodic fires.
I have imposter syndrome, even when I make it, it feels like I fake it ^^*
I love that this episode is called Spirited Away, it feels appropriate given the fact that we see three spirits from the series in one episode. Plus, I remember watching the original movie Spirited Away when I was in Middle School so it it's a fun little reference.
In the cartoon, Azula was a straight up psychopath. She had her breakdown at the end and was very focused on perfection from the start, but she was just cold and crazy. Here, they are showing her insecurity. While I like adding more dimension to her character, pure psycho Azula is way more terrifying lol
If I wanted to watch something like the animation, I would watch the animation. I love the LA because I can once again see a new story, once agian see characters develop in a way that still keeps me enthralled. I felt the same when seeing Percy Jackson LA, cause being a hardcore fan of the books, I was just happy to see my characters brought to life even if the story changed in many ways. The essence was still there. Yes, there is a lot of tell - not show in these LA adaptations, but I don't mind it. It is still FUN. Because I chose to stop comparing, and start seeing in its own right. They got the bending right, many of the characters right (especially Zuko, Iroh, Sokka), my only caveats are Aang (he will improve, he has grown by what 3-4 years since filming? he will surprise in S2), same with Katara. But I loved the entire season. Next episode is a highlight for me. And the final one is mind blowing! It captures the heart of the show 8/10 times. It's by no means perfect, but even ATLA was not perfect in many episodes which I skipped cause it was too boring with no character growth.
The fact that you think there were many eps in the original that didn't develop the characters shows me that you didn't even understand why the writing in the original was good in the first place. People are pointing out the very noticeable downgrade in the writing here that changes some of the characters for the worst, not that they wanted a 1:1 adaptation. Zuko was really the only character that got developed this season.
@@za-ir5ni they didn't though :) And the writing was bad in many episodes for the original too.
For me few of S1 and few of S2 were pretty boring. S3 was fire tho. Quite literally.
I agree the character development on the show hasn't been the greatest, especially for Aang & Katara. But Sokka, Iroh, Azula, Ozai, and Zuko were close to perfect imo.
People saying: Oh Azula is not that unhinged, I mean she wasn't even shown much in S1 in animated version. They started building her here.
My only caveat has been Aang going through the motions. That's why the 8/10. But it's by no means 'appalling', 'not worth watching', 'compared to the original it is shit', as many on the internet seem to say.
Like my comment said, stop comparing to the original and see it for what it is. For people who never watched ATLA, this is a perfect introduction. For people who already watched it, well some can ignore the original and watch this for what it is some unfortunately have their panties in a bunch crying over something they will have no control over (cause it is now renewed for the 2nd and 3rd season) 🙂
@@za-ir5ni The fact that you think Zuko is the only character that got developed shows me that you didn't even understand the writing for the other characters in the live action. They are different, but that doesn't make them bad characters.
@@prithvirajkola8058 i completely agree
That right. if they want the live be same like anime they should go watch the old show than because they can't do the same things because it will be boring actually even in old show i hate alot of eps like i don't why they even made it but zuko eps was good even the one when he was alone like he you can see he change in it the writer did a great job with zuko character it really good it felt that it was zuko story more than Aang actually i think they should write zuko story alone and made it anime or show tv because it interest 😊
By this time when we had the scroll aang was practicing water bending here he hasn’t touched a drop for real. The forest spirit hei bai here!!!! There was a wolf spirit in the spirit world but it was giant in the background. There were also fox spirits at the library episode but they never talk they aided wan shi tong the owl spirit who name means he who knows 10 thousand things
Next episode is the best of the whole series
They made the face stealer not steal faces when Aang was like freaking out in his face. Incredible stuff
Face stealer rules and motivation in one property doesn't mean it will be same in adaptation
People need to understand that animation is not the same as live action. Each episode of the live action is 50 minutes to an hour while each animated episode is 20 minutes. So 1 live action episode equals 3 animated episodes. I’ve seen a lot of people say that they’re rushing these storylines but if you do the math, they aren’t. 20 minutes x 20 episodes is 400 minutes. 50 minutes x 8 episodes is also 400 minutes. It’s literally the same amount of time.
Just because they are the same amount of time has nothing to do with if they are rushing it. Its about pacing and the pacing in the LA is bad
You realize that the fact that they have similar runtimes is an indictment on this adaptation because it is rushed right? You're forgetting they're trying to add original scenes AND things from later seasons to this one too.
What the 20 minute episodes have an advantage in is that they can cut the story there and got straight into the next. The LA is doing pretty well with the episode run that it was given
Did you know that the og show was rushed too? You can't just feel it much cause it's in animated form.
Our expectation becomes ground and closer to reality cause it's played by live actors. I realized this when I started to question myself, why is Aang accompanied by just kids?
Avatar 1x04 is still blocked
It really looks like no X-Men live reactions😞
It's so sad when we have to wait weeks for live shows 💔
The noise of that giant eye blinking makes ne gag
If they hadn't changed koh's way of stealing faces and it was still him taking faces because of emotions then it would have been way better. They should know when to change things when they shouldn't unless they can bring in better alternative
Why is that inherently better than what they decided?
Better according to your subjective opinion
Another person who has no idea what they’re talking about!
Jarvis was a butler in the original comics, but in the MCU he's an AI. It's not about what should and shouldn't be changed, it's about if you could nail it properly.
i think with this episode i have run out of fucks to give for this show, i have been trying my best to give the show a chance especially with the first omashu episode being so good but its clear the team that was in charge of the shows visuals and effects were incredibly talented and they thought it was enough to make up for some pretty appalling writing and story direction. the sad fact is they have proved they can do some things well, for instance the combining of the stories in the first omashu episode was handled amazingly, the writing for iroh and sokka the whole time has been pretty great but that just makes the bad parts which is 75% of the writing and pretty much all the rearranging of the story and motivations
I give this show a 4/10…mainly because of VFX and Zuko/Iroh scenes…This was the episode and then beginning of episode 6 I had to shut it off lol. I gave up. I never expected this to be a 1:1 adaptation but it really felt like the creators thought they will not get a season 2. As fans of the OG we know these characters, know who they are. I think a-lot of people are excited because they are just witnessing it come to LA and atleast to some extent matching the aesthetics. But no there is no proper explanation or no essence of who these characters actually are.
Combining so many different characters that come at different points it really doesn’t serve any purpose to the story. Katara and Sokka ending up in the spirit world makes no sense at all. There is no need to introduce Azula or Ozai right now. Could’ve used those minutes to flesh out more characters. Wan Shi Tong is quite important lol and he should be at the library. It still exists at this point, he oversees it and has been prior to the 100 year war. Also Hei Bai? Totally wasted that character. Koh eats his food??? lol he is a god damn face stealer..much more menacing and audience is left with no fear for him. Lets not even go to Roku my god. Also the show is called Avatar master of all 4 elements…Aang be like nah I don’t want to learn water bending this season. Where is the mystery with this show that we had????
Changes are acceptable when it makes the story better. This does not. It seems like Netflix stepped in and said lets add this and this….also this because fans love these characters. Its just fan service. NO. More and more I see why the creators left. They were disrespected with their source material. At the end of the day they are the creators, they should have the approval like Oda did for One Piece. I can keep going on and on but as a true fan of the OG I can’t respect what they have done here.
You're not a true fan for disliking it.
It's fine you disliked it though, same way it's fine that other OG fans liked it. Not because of 'just' seeing things in real life, but because they appreciated the adaptation (or parts of it) for what they were and enjoyed watching it.
I don't know how this got greenlit for Seasons 2 and 3. This show has to be sooooooooo expensive😂😂😂
You don’t know how? Or is this a rhetorical question?
@BlessedmanPlaysMC Rhetorical. It's just that the visual effects look really good, so it must of cost a fortune to produce
@@sombrashadow0013nielson just released the ratings for the show. Its really high. Thats why its got renewed
@Phoenix-ti6tx It just seems al expensive that I figured Netflix wouldn't go for it despite ratings. I'm glad they did, though, because you can tell the actors clearly have a love for the series
Are you guys sleepy
I don’t understand Eric saying to not compare the original and the live action: People are literally watching it because of the original that’s the reason it’s so popular they literally have the same name
That just shows you misunderstand his point. He's not saying NOT to compare it, he's saying to not let your comparison affect your opinion of the live action show. If you focus so much on comparing them and seeing whether or not the live action show lives up to the original, then you're just going to be consistently disappointed, and that's not the feeling anyone wants to come away with after watching a show.
@@DarthTingleBinks But FANS are watching this because of the animated show! Exclude fresh viewers. I agree that you do not have to compare constantly but you have to compare at some points bc you are fan of OG show. Like I did not nitpick about every moment that is diffirent from animated show but as a fan this show did not give me the feeling of the animated series. The only thing I loved about the changes is Zuko, Iroh and thier dynamic. Our main 3 is just meh. I am just sying that if you are fan you just cannot stop comparing it with animated show. After all LA follow the same story, features the same characters and so on. LA is not about new stuff. It is ADAPTION. And I am gonna judge how it adapts the animated series as a fan.
@@damirturakbayev5215 1. It's an adaptation, not adaption. That's not a word.
2. The entire point of adaptations is to do something new. And the show succeeded at that while also telling the same general story as the original.
3. I understand that most people watching this are fans of the original. It's the same for me. But other than poor performances, cramming too many storylines into episodes 5 & 6, and occasionally spotty CG, I didn't let any of the changes affect my enjoyment of the show. I actually liked all of the changes the show made and occasionally preferred the new show to the original. But sure, overall, I think the original is superior as far as book 1 goes. But this show is more than sufficient as an adaptation.
@@DarthTingleBinks But do you agree that this show does not give the same overall feeling that animated show gives? For me this show feels like okay, move on kind of thing. This is just first season and I hope it gets better but for a fresh viewer I would not recommend this. I would say just watch the animated series. But if person for some reason do not like animation then sure you would recommend LA. But I would give a warning that LA does not feel like animated series and you cannot fully experience the world of ATLA with this show.
@@damirturakbayev5215 This isn't supposed to give you the same feeling, though. So yeah, I agree, but that's kind of irrelevant.
Probably the worst ep of the series in terms of adapting. Everything about the Spirit World was done pretty clumsily. Don't know why Wan Shi Tong was here. Not showing emotion around Koh is thrown away for some reason. The story with Hei Bai is sidelined for the most part. Why did the writers feel they needed to shove all these things in one ep so early? The one good change was Aang reuniting with Gyatso.
To be honest, this is kinda the most boring episode of the season.
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Please react to all of us are dead
Yall should really drop these when they’re relevant
they always do one episode a week for all the show
You will be disappointed with what they have done with Roku
Im not sure if I like Hakoda losing his dad of the year status. why would he say that
I feel bad for the fans who reject the live adaptation. Personally i was looking for a different look from other perspectives instead of the original all over again
Dude they made Koh the face stealer way creepier than the cartoon
Yeah
The cramming of the Spirit World elements was soo sloppy. They didn't follow the canon whatsoever. Aang pullin Katara & Sokka into the Spirit World? Wtf? Koh is the Facestealer for a reason yet they ignored what their abilities are, Hei Bei sending them to the Fog of Lost Souls? Like wtf?? How can we not compare both shows when 1 is jus making crap up and expecting us jus to ignore it. Naw I'm good, outside of Irohs story in this episode the rest was awful imo.
I don't mind straying from cannon as long as all the character development points and story beats are there, and I liked most of this Netflix series, but the changes to the spirit world suck out in a bad way for me. It wasn't enough to take me out of my enjoyment of the series as a whole, but it was definitely a low point. Although it was nice to see how Katara's mom protected her.
I don’t mind it being a bit different if it’s one for one like the cartoon it’s not fun lol like with the Harry Potter movies or lord of the rings or even the batman movies non of em are like he comics or cartoons or games
If it’ was a one to one remake there’s no point in watching it. It’s supposed to change things up a little. Also by nature of it being live action it literally can’t do the same things.
@@JK_of_TodayNobody said anything about it needing to be a 1:1 remake. They're talking about changes that impact the fundamental nature of the characters or lore for the worse.
The great divide were not two episodes
The reaction to this episode was so horribly edited.