[SHOT 2018] Integral Barrels from Suppressed Weapon Systems
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ส.ค. 2024
- In this episode of TFBTV's SHOT Show 2018 Range Day Coverage, Miles meets with Eric from Suppressed Weapon Systems.
Eric shows us their offering of monolithic suppressed barrels providing light integrally suppressed rifles for both AR style and bold action platforms. The barrels allow for a very quiet single stamp setup.
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Love being able to share the same building with these guys.
In theory you could truly free float the barrel and have the gas tube collect gasses from the suppressor instead of a hole in the barrel
I don't think the pressure would be great enough unless the bolt is very light.
@@stevedo18able yeah not very practical but at least possible if someone wanted to go the extra mile for it.
Someone should do this to stand out in a crowded field of similar integrally suppressed rifles. For some rifles this could be a great way to delay cycling for reduced pressure. Suppressor delayed blowback, for example. No need for rollers or other implements, since gas won't work the action until after the bullet leaves the barrel and the gas reaches the rear of the suppressor, at which point it will also be a gentler pressure. However, such a gas system might be ammo-sensitive and need some sort of adjustable or self-adjusting gas port at the back of the suppressor for reliable cycling with a wide variety of ammunition. That's an issue for a civilian market but not a big deal to the military market.
I'm not sure how much difference it would make to an AR. But it could make a for a very lightweight rifle that cycles reliably with a lightweight bolt. I'm not sure what the effect on recoil would be, perhaps less since there would be less reciprocating mass. Since it doesn't reciprocate until after the bullet exits the barrel, it may be easier to shoot accurately. It would also be higher velocity at the same barrel length, since no gas is bled off of the barrel to operate the gas system. It would operate entirely on residual gas pressure. Theoretically it would also make the rifle quieter to the shooter. Reduced pressures cycling the gun for much reduced pressure of gases exiting the ejection port. While the higher pressure in the barrel means a little more pressure upon the bullet exiting the suppressor, the pressure acting upon the action would reduce pressure of gas exiting the suppressor, since it would use energy and slow down the gas.
awesome stuff. i hope the best for this company. great ideas, and he seemed like an honest dude.
This is actually kinda cool.
"Putting holes in big I beams makes them stronger." Hmmmmm.
It does as long as they're perfectly round holes
@@matthewbolin3106 No, that's just false. The guy doesn't understand basic mechanics of materials.
I don’t think you understand material science. Its possible there is some truth to this. The manufacturing process could create some grain boundary deformation, which would increase strength. Audi has a hollow crank shaft in their RS3, and they claim it’s lighter weight and stronger than a conventional crankshaft. Do you also think they don’t understand basic material science?
@@theronmatthews5369 I agree with the the grain boundary deformation to a degree. That's what dimple dies do. The deformation of the metal helps to recover some of the strength lost when holes are drilled. There is a balance in that process somewhere, and large holes will definitely shift that balance. As for Audi's crankshaft, you cannot compare a reciprocating mass that spins at 7000 rpm to a static load.
Very cool stuff, thats how rifles should come from the factory.
Cool product. I can see this getting trackion.
Are we gonna rush in, or take it sneaky-beaky like?
The its not stronger, they put holes in I beams cause they don't affect the tensile strength enough to make a difference but it cits down on weight, less material always means less strength.
Eric is the man being interviewed. He corrected himself to a different reply stating the same.
"Eric Tonkin
3 weeks ago
You are correct. After about 15 interviews in an hour i have a hard time remembering my name.
A solid barrel is stronger than a fluted barrel. What i was trying to say was the holes reduce weight but still keep the barrel ridged and maintain strength, not make it stronger. "
@@frankc3690 But by lightening the I beams, the building is lighter overall which means the beams themselves don't have to carry much weight making it overall stronger than having a more mass being held by more strength. The biggest limitation in how high a sky scrapper can go is the strength of the materials, so if you can't make the beam stronger you make it lighter.
@@marineninga Yes but that's only relevant when the weight of the structure itself is a significant load on the structure. That's not even remotely the case with a gun barrel.
I know exactly where they're at. Awesome Texas made product!
wish they sold just the barrel/suppressor for AR
That is a COOL thing they have there. I'd love to have an AR and a 6.5 Creedmore bo,t gun with those barrels. The price is probably way out of my range...
KAMOMI it's probably not as far out of your range as you might think. If you can afford a custom bolt rifle, you won't spend much more than you would on one with a traditional match grade barrel. I got one from them with a krieger barrel and it was cheaper than i could have done a regular build on a krieger barrel and bought a thread on suppressor. Thats not including the benefit of a lighter setup as well.
Search them up and visit the website. It will give you a little better idea.
Yeah! Shoutout to Scottsdale gun club!
That’s not why they put big holes in I beams on airplanes. That’s just to save weight and still maintain strength. They would be stronger without them. All said your barrel would be stronger in every direction if the lightening cuts were not there. But that’s the beauty of engineering. You figure out what you expect the stresses will be and design to that with a buffer. I’m sure your barrel is plenty strong. Little things like that just bug me. I get tired of hearing people say fluted barrels are Stronger. For any given barrel diameter. Say .920 a fluted vs a non fluted of the same profile. The non fluted will be stronger every Time. Ill probably get one of your bolt gun barrels though. 😁
You are correct. After about 15 interviews in an hour i have a hard time remembering my name.
A solid barrel is stronger than a fluted barrel. What i was trying to say was the holes reduce weight but still keep the barrel ridged and maintain strength, not make it stronger.
TrackingPoint makes some sexy and accurate rifles with their Barnes ammo.
Very cool!
Can a Kriss Gen 2 45 be integrally suppressed? I think the barrel us 6.5" Did I hear that you can extend the suppressor to 16" to avoid sbr tax stamp?
This is genius. What about legality in states where they ban suppressor attachments?
I will have to try harder to be less poor so I can get cool shiz like this. I only need one kidney, right?
I( wonder where in the length the barrels start venting or where the first baffle is as that would be the same place. Start venting at 10 inches into the first baffle and build it out to 16+ inches.
AKlover the barrel is not ported at all. The rifling ends at the muzzle break giving you full power out of the round to the respective barrel length.
and a 10in version in 300 blk
Is it rifled after all the milling? Because milling a rifled barrel enlarges the ID and decreases accuracy.
In some cases you are correct if milling is done improperly to a barrel it can reduce its accuracy. Our process has been refined to not effect the bore. We have air gauged the bore before and after our milling process with no deviation from the factory bore sizes. We stand behind our sub MOA guarantee.
I wonder if there is a lot of baffle erosion. Especially with the shorter 10.5" guns they were talking about. In the suppressor world, baffles are made of stronger Stellite and Inconnel. These are 4150 at best. Which is fine for hot head-on 10.5" muzzle blasts, I'd imagine baffles would not live a fraction of the barrel's life.
The barrels are made from 416SS. Yes the blast chamber and the first 2 baffles will see some erosion after 1000's of rounds. We have shot several barrels out in our 556 platform to test this exact thing. After about 8000 rounds (mostly Full auto fire) the throat and muzzle will be losing rifling and accuracy will start to fade. This is when most people say the barrel will be "shot out". We only saw a loss of 1dB at the muzzle and the ear at this point. But then we Pulled the barrel and replaced it. The tube is the serialized portion so no paperwork is necessary with a barrel replacement.
We also have a rental rifle at a local range in Houston with over 15K rounds through it and still going (300blk). 8" barrel with almost no signs of baffle erosion and its darn near a smooth bore.
Moral of the story- the barrel will wear our way before the baffles will.
Eric Tonkin Nice. I guess with all of the volume, you don't lose much suppression with slight baffle erosion. Shout out from Spring Branch!
So if you have a round like supersonic or so, would it be weakened when gases expand? Rifles like "de lisle" had an integrated suppressor. How is the effect on the bullet?
Most integrals up to this point like the de lisle have port holes drilled into the barrel, sometimes only a few inches beyond the chamber. This allows gas and powder to escape causing a drastic loss in velocity. Our barrels are not ported in any way. Our design is designed and capable of shooting full power ammunition with almost zero velocity loss, depending on the cartridge being used and your chosen overall barrel length.
K.I.S.S nice Dwight reference
Calibers... decimals? mm?? ... Well... pick one, at least... please.
Respectfully, Seth
What happens after the barrel wears out? Do you have to purchase a brand new integrally suppressed barrel and therefore pay another $200 tax stamp and wait another five months to hear back from the ATF?
You do not have to register a new suppressor when re barreling a rifle. The suppressor tube is the registered suppressor. As long as barrel lengths are consistent with tube length, you simply pull the burnt barrel, install a new one and slide the tube over the new barrel. New barrel, same suppressor. Just gunsmithing work, no new tax stamp required.
Listen to the video there sir.
Tracking Point is a MEME
Maybe so, but they did work and required an accurate barrel to be useful in any way. Trackingpoint chose our barrels for their AR system because it they are accurate. I just realized I'm on my personal account. This is Frank with SWS.
Maybe so, but they did work and required an accurate barrel to be useful in any way. Trackingpoint chose our barrels for their AR system because it they are accurate.
Did this nigga say "5000 rounds and the barrel's burned out"???
who is this person whats the name of the company how do i buy a barrel from them who are they.
Charles, you can find our products at suppressedweaponsystems.com. Give me a call for any questions you have!
Why do you need a stamp if it's just part of the barrel?
Laird Cummings I was hoping it was a loophole.
@@teddygrizz According to the definition of suppression, any device that lowers the report of the rifle is a suppressor and must be a registered and transferred NFA item.
@@frankc8985 what if there's no device, what if the barrel suppresses itself?
@@teddygrizz The "device" would be the titanium suppressor tube. Without the tube, the barrel is REALLY loud due to the aggressive muzzle break. You must have something containing the gasses coming out of the muzzle. The tube is that thing. The tube captures all the expanding gasses. Therefore, suppression. Therefore, NFA item.
Kinda have to take issue with him saying he can change the caliber without any paperwork. Since when? You're not allowed to do that without filing for a new stamp. Unless there's something I'm missing here.
The suppressor tube is the registered part. If your tube is registered at .30 cal you can rebarrel a new barrel in any other caliber equal or smaller then .30 cal.
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Robbie Hamlin eat a tide pod
Couldn’t I JUST BUY all this stuff on eBay,,,YES! Sleeve or his term “shield” in any metal I want any length I want any diameter, etc, etc, etc. And any size diameter and length monolithic flash hider, and also any thread pattern, check it out, but build it legally contact ATF or Manufacture of parts listed on eBay, they will inform you throughly on what you need to do. Many of these companies have how to videos on utube.The tax stamp will cost more than the parts off of eBay. Want to save 💰don’t you? Also both of these fellows should shut up so you can hear how quiet their product sounds or did they do that on purpose, SHADY.
You can definitely sleeve your own contoured barrel with parts found on ebay, I'd love to see your finished product. What is shady about having an interview during an all day live fire event? They came to us mid day while the event is going on. Not to mention you CAN hear the difference between the unsuppressed/suppressed rifles on the line verses ours, just listen. Paranoia is a dangerous thing.
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Tyler McIntyre eat a tide pod
lol
Tyler Mcintyre I saw a picture where the grocery stores a locking the pods up now. Where did we go wrong. What happened to conventional drugs.
J Tetlow we haven't gone wrong, natural selection is a beautiful thing