"That young lady has had quite enough disappointments in her life without you adding to them" even in his inner monologue and caring for another person Garak can't resist jabbing at Dukat
I particularly like how the Klingons are so understanding with Garak's fear of being in the wall. It really makes them much more three dimensional as characters. Not all acts of courage take place on the battlefield, and they know this. It really comes across well.
Yup, Klingons have to learn from an early age to deal with the fear of death and dying as they are a race of warriors whose species revels in dying an honorable death in combat. If any race can understand facing down own's own worst fears, it's the Klingons.
“I’m sorry but that is absolutely unacceptable, I’m under enough strain as it is I can’t have you quitting on me.” - a line that has carried me many times
I've always loved that last scene as it shows Klingons not just as muscle bound brutes who only care about victory at any cost, but in fact as insightful warrior philosophers able to see and value courage in all its myriad of subtle forms.
ya know, in some "character analyses" of Garak, I see people question a lot about him. What is real. What's for show. Garak, alone in that crawlspace, provides a lot of insight. There was no one to put on a show for. One common thought for Garak is that he uses the least amount of "force" needed to solve a problem, which is why he lies. The truth would work, but why risk using so much force? A lie carries less risk of exposing oneself, and can carry just the right amount of force to get the job done. But, especially as he is entering a panicked state and his mental defenses are breaking down and he is berating himself, we see one thing very clearly. He says to himself "Your friends are out there." Not "your allies," or "people who see you as friend." Not "people depending on you," or "people you need the help of to survive this mess." He says "your friends." This is massive insight, because it reveals how Garak actually sees them. One debate is always about how much how he treats people is respect, expediency, convenience, etc. But the word friend belies that, no matter how else he might use them, and how else his mind may categorize his relationship with them in more optimal circumstances, when the walls are down and his mind is laid bare, to no one but himself, he admits those people (and not just Bashir) are his friends. There is a huge weight that comes with that word, especially for someone like Garak who only seems to let people close if it achieves an end goal. He actually values and cares for them. And in the game of analyzing who Garak is and how his mind actually works, it's a magnificent, if subtle, clue. Little insights like that show how complex and multi-layered a character like Garak is. To say nothing of how well and thoughtfully he was written, or how excellently Andrew Robinson portrayed him.
This episode made me like Martok a LOT more, because he was able to reach across the cultures and his general disregard of the honor of spies. It showed a wisdom in Worf and Martok that is rarely seen in Klingons, and it showed a sense of honor and strength that Garak rarely shows through his shell of lies and paranoia.
I have to commend Andrew Robinson for getting through this scene. That look of panic in Garak's eye in the dim light is practically real claustrophobic fear because Robinson really has that condition in real life. He channeled the hell out of it for this scene. plus while the set is open from the side he really is in a tight place with minimum lighting.
I've read that interview with Andrew, where he said Garaks' costume gave him a fit of claustrophobia at the beginning. He just used it to make his character better.
@@innamedvedev8327 I think the more interesting part is how Garak's look influenced him in keeping the role. He said that he felt absolutely terrible in that costume, that he was having an attack the second it was on him, but the second he saw himself in the costume and make up, to see this creature he has become, it made him feel like the claustrophobia didn't matter, he loved it so much.
@@ShogunMongol but that episode, inside a closed space, with flu... His suffering was tangible. That's what you get when you hire theatric actors for TV- realism.
Even subtle facial gestures by Andrew Robinson make this scene great - for example, the look on Garak's face when he realizes that two Klingons are impressed by his courage. Garak was not known for his "bravery" but the Klingons realized that not all bravery is manifest in combat.
The jerky motions of his eyes when Bashir helped him out, as if looking for an escape but too panicked to see one, and the empty dead look when they were prying the panel off for round 2.
@@Negasonic100 And be sure not to forget the verse about the two Romulans, a species known for their stealth, cunning and subterfuge who...watched the door...by standing directly at it and staring indiscreetly through the window looking as suspicious as physically possible.
The respect given to Garak in this is incredibly well done. It adds so much to the Klingon culture. It may be my favourite Klingon moment ever, funny since it revolves around a Cardassian. But this moment adds context to every bit of Klingon culture we have ever seen.
Damn. That first bit of him talking himself down is just great. Very realistic for an intelligent person who hasn't actually beat their phobia. Applying logic and giving reasons to push through when every other part is screaming at him to get out.
"If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew To serve your turn long after they are gone, And so hold on when there is nothing in you Except the Will which says to them, 'Hold on!'"
I'm thinking that he used that to his advantage. I'm amazed that he was able to overcome that fear, at least to the point where he was able to work on the show.
It's actually disturbing seeing Garak so vulnerable and honest. Even in the episode where his pleasure brain implant started to fail and you see him ranting in disgust and guilt, it wasn't like this. There he was just lashing out because he was miserable and in pain. Here, it's just raw. Especially that desperate and panicked, 'The light, the light went out.' You could tell Garak was just a few moments from curling up into the fetal position and going catatonic.
There are two Klingon songs I wish to hear. The first is the one mentioned in this video. The second would be detailing the short-lived "House of Quark" and the moment that a tiny Ferengi reminded the Klingon high council what honor and courage truly was.
Even the Vikings knew about them. “Each person bears a fear which is special to him. One man fears a close space and another man fears drowning; each laughs at the other and calls him stupid. Thus fear is only a preference, to be counted the same as the preference for one woman or another, or mutton for pig, or cabbage for onion.”
I like to think the Founder who posed as Martok had him spot on, at the time he took Martok's place. Arrogant, impulsive, even ignorant. But Martok's time in that prison taught him humility, and then seeing Garak, a Cardassian, brave that which even a Klingon would cringe from, really turned Martok into a much better Klingon, and started him to becoming quite possibly the best leader the Klingon Empire could have. General Martok made true friends and allies when he met Worf, Bashir, and Garak for the first time. Of course, that's not how Garak would tell it.
@@obliviouz That said, bravery is found in those who face fear because it is necessary. Facing fear needlessly is mere recklessness, and excusing a needlessly tough world in pursuit of bravery is mere irresponsibility.
The final lines surprised me first time I watched this. I expected them to just laugh, grunt, whatever. Instead I think they were very insightful about the situation and respectful to garak. I wish some people in real life were as understanding about others phobias. The lucky among us that do not have any phobias will never understand what it can be like.
You see a sign of the nuance, sophistication, and empathy in Klingon thinking when Garak says ‘that would *ruin* Martok’s song’. Even before he’s made his remarks to Worf, Martok demurs: ‘that would be unfortunate’. He doesn’t agree to the harshest self-criticism that Garak gives vent to. That in itself, considering how dire their circumstances are, is an expression of empathy and respect.
"There's no greater enemy than one's own fears." - "It takes a brave man to face them." I like how this can be seen as a callback to TNG's "Night Terrors" where Worf contemplates suicide, but Deanna Troi talks him out of it by reminding him that "to admit that you are afraid gives you strength".
I would like to think that Garek heard them talking as he mentally prepares himself, knowing two of his friends are proud that he is willing to push through this fear and win can often turn the tide, as it does on the end
The Greatest Strength of Deep Space Nine, the most *Star Trek* thing about it are moments like this, when there's this beautiful cross pollination and interactions with the different cultures and people here. Martok the pure Klingon speaking of glory and victory, Worf the Klingon raised with human values but with pristine Klingon values beating in his heart struggling against endless odds, Bashir the compassionate human doctor trying to hold him together, and Garak a Burned Cardassian Spy who just came to find his father and ended up losing him, but is having to deal with a crippling phobia to save them all. There is respect, camaraderie, reverence among these four. As Martok sees Worf's strength for continuing in the gauntlet of Jem'Hadar, he also sees Bashir's skill at keeping Worf as healed as possible, and he and Worf recognize that Garak is fighting the toughest fight of all, a battle in his own mind against his own fears. Puts a tear in the eye at how awesome it is.
"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past, I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone, there will be nothing. Only I will remain. "
Martok is an amazing character and such a great pair for Worf. In so much of TNG, Worf is continously put up against elements of Klingon culture that, in practice, fall short of the ideal vision in his head. Basically, every encounter Worf has with anything Klingon is a sobering realization that the great, honorable people he grew up admiring from afar as part of his heritage, aren't as noble or honorable as he had come to believe and he tends to leave each encounter a little more disillusioned, wondering if the people he admired ever really existed. It's very sad. Then...Martok appears, THIS Martok (not the changeling). And he's rowdy and rough, but also insightful and wise. "Heh, your federation friends have..." In most cases like this, the follow-up would have been something like "made you soft," or a backhanded comment about how they've ruined Worf's ability to revel in glorious battle. But with Martok it's simply "Your federation friends have taught you modesty." It's not not dismissed as a negative or a weakness, it's simply acknowledged as a trait Worf has gained from them, followed by the simple suggestion that now is not the time for it. Then comes the scene with Garak. Where our plain, simple tailor pulls himself out of bed and heads back into the crawlspace with all his claustrophobia. And Martok's observation is not on the weakness of being afraid of a simple crawlspace, nor a gloat on how a true warrior would not have let fear slow him this much in the first place. Instead, we get "there is no greater enemy, than one's own fears." It's unlikely Martok suffers from claustrophobia himself, yet he sees Garak's struggle, and rather dismiss him as weak, he acknowledges Garak for facing that fear for their benefit. Martok is the friend and the family Worf needed to find. Martok is, in practice, Worf's ideal vision of what a Klingon should be. He's not flawless by any means, but he's strong, honorable and wise. A truly noble warrior.
Its really endearing that as much as Garak would have everyone believe otherwise, or at the very least be unsure, he genuinely considers them his friends.
i saw a interview with Andrew Robinson where he was saying he actually IS Claustrophobic. He almost couldn't play Garak because of it. He had a lot to draw on here
One great part about this scene is it flies in the face of the first officer in tng who thought Klingons wouldn't make good counselors. It also helps prove why DS9 was such a great series. Sure, they didn't warp off to another planet every week, but that didn't mean they never went anywhere. Anyone can travel the galaxy in a tricked out spaceship; it takes a real explorer to go within...
To be fair, the way klingons were portrayed in tng didn't leave much in the way of this kind of understanding. Worf was the main example of the race, and he was very much against talking about his feelings, etc
Oh yea~! I love it when they show (what I believe) are the True Klingon colors. Charging headlong into battle is one thing, self-doubt is another. Internal battles are often the most difficult. Like Kolos told Archer: "My father was a teacher. My mother, a biologist at the university". I would LOVE to see an episode with a Klingon Therapist = "You have battled the demons within, and you have emerged victorious~! Your willpower over your fears cannot be denied, they will retreat as your senses sing glorious tales of your success..."
This is an old video and I have not read the bulk of the comments, but this was not acting by Mr. Robinson- he really is severely claustrophobic, and the make up job initially was almost too much for him to take, until he saw the result in the mirror and knew this was the acting chance of a lifetime. And then he used his actual freakout and remembered his lines and got through the ordeal. He should gave gotten an Emmy for this (and combat pay).
This, to me, is the greatest 2-parter in DS9. HUGE insights into Garak’s character, the introduction to the real Martok, and a prison escape plot? Fantastic. Always going to be my favorite
Garak's look at the end of the clip, is one of amazement, I think. He just got complimented on his courage by two Klingons - coming from them, that constitutes high praise.
Mac Russell some of my friends I play online with have given me that name, even though I don't find being a healer is my role, but they always get me to play a healer and for some reason when I'm it no one dies, even on hard bosses or overwhelming amounts of enemies, but even still I don't enjoy playing them 😂😂
I loved this scene. It made Martok and Worf much deeper characters, but also showed why they are the best Klingons. Worf doesn't like Garak, and I don't think that Martok does either. But both of them acknowledge courage wherever it is - even if it's a Cardassian who is battling nothing but his own fears. It's why they are both the consummate Klingon warriors, and someone like Gowron is... well, not. I can't imagine he would care about anything other than the fights in the arena, after all.
@@godking I don't know. In TNG he is definitely not like that. He has a sense of honour in TNG, I think. But by the end of DS9, his jealous and lust for power has overtaken him. He loses himself after becoming chancellor.
Oh hey is that a *heartless* group of space vikings who's only purpose is to die in battle? Admitting that the hardest battle is the one with yourself. Also an Iconic Garak line. Def in my top 5 off all episodes.
Alton VanQuaethem we have to say this situation did bring out the best in them. even the breen prisoner did his part with no true reason of survive. the common enemy effect.
As a claustrophobe, I'd be bashing through the walls until I hit sunlight, which would likely be outside the tin can of a ship in the vacuum of space. But I'd get there, trust me. Never get between a mother bear and her cub or a man with Claustrophobia. He'll stomp on your broken skull to get a little open space.
I'm reminded of an episode of TNG when shut up, Wesley was shocked to learn that Worf was not fearless. Worf told him that only fools have no fear. Very true words.
I love Klingons. Outwardly they are violent barbarians with an honor code that dictates winning a fight above all else. Then when you step closer their culture is reminiscent of Caesar era Roman culture with fine wines, operas, a patrician/plebian family divide, etc. With this scene we can add that they have an advanced understanding of mental health which makes me want to see them portray a Klingon councilor.
I love this episode and Garak's part in it, I totally understand how he's feeling, I'm extremely claustrophobic also. To the point that in the past when I needed to get an MRI, I would have to take anxiety pills I have for panic attacks just so that I could get through it. There were times in the past when I was still with my ex when nurses would even allow her to be in the room with me and she would just have her hand on my ankle and just knowing she was there with me made it easier for me to get through it. I wouldn't wish claustrophobia on anyone, there are no words to truly describe the uder fear that comes over you.
This is why Martok was a better klingon then most, Worfs understanding was instilled by federation values, exposure to other species, Martok was a born and raised Klingon, and yet he still understood the wisdom in understanding.
Garak and I have something in common. I am claustrophobic to the extreme...I cant even get into an MRI machine without wanting to rip it apart... Claustrophobia is the most terrifying of phobias imo.
You know what I would like to see but probably never will? The song. Especially the verse about the cardasian who faced his fears and used his wits to help bring them all home.
what many people fail to consider, even IF worf and martok were thinking otherwise secretly (what I think is unlikely, since even klingons know fear), it's not a wise move to discourage your only chance of escape before you actually escaped :D a smart move from both of them
DS9 did a lot to make many species more relatable. VOY meanwhile did not. Most species were never seen again due to it being so far away from the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. In fact the show dismantled the Borg, turned them into a nuisance at best and ultimately destroyed them. PIC and STD just... uh... yeah.
And it took a Cardassian to figure out what Q meant about the "Inner exploration" man would undertake to truly start to grow the species in the last episode of TNG . One of not only the best scenes in DS9 but also one of the most encouraging and the line HAD to be delivered by an alien character . lol
Well, Kirsty's dad was a good man, as such, hence Pinheads line about him being in his own hell, and quite out of reach. I take that to mean he's in heaven.
I think its more than just respect (though clearly respect is still involved), more like admiration. Klingons treat fears like we would treat running into a demon. For them fears are literal living things, spirits that battle you in your mind. I think for klingons such a battle where your physical abilities can't save you is truly terrifying, hence their high regard.
@@Deepingmind Each person bears a fear which is special to him. One man fears a close space and another man fears drowning; each laughs at the other and calls him stupid. Thus fear is only a preference, to be counted the same as the preference for one woman or another, or mutton for pig, or cabbage for onion. (From the book Eaters of the Dead.)
I agree to a point. DS9 focused on the story and the growth of the people but I also like the action and Voyager had that in spades. DS9 did not really get into the action until the last few seasons. However I very much enjoyed them both. I even enjoyed Enterprise tho it seems that most fans don't and consider it to be a black mark on the Star Trek as a whole. I hated the original. It's not the set or bad space graphics, that is to be expected from so long ago. It was the HORRIBLE acting.
"That young lady has had quite enough disappointments in her life without you adding to them" even in his inner monologue and caring for another person Garak can't resist jabbing at Dukat
I particularly like how the Klingons are so understanding with Garak's fear of being in the wall. It really makes them much more three dimensional as characters. Not all acts of courage take place on the battlefield, and they know this. It really comes across well.
DS9 really fleshed out the Klingons, as a race and a culture, continuing the process begun by The Undiscovered Country and The Next Generation.
Well said! Totally agree. DS9 is such a gem, for so many reasons.
@@rpottage Babylon 5 does it well as well.
Yup, Klingons have to learn from an early age to deal with the fear of death and dying as they are a race of warriors whose species revels in dying an honorable death in combat. If any race can understand facing down own's own worst fears, it's the Klingons.
Klingons, at least these two anyways, understand bravery is not acting without fear. It is acting, in spite of it.
“I’m sorry but that is absolutely unacceptable, I’m under enough strain as it is I can’t have you quitting on me.”
- a line that has carried me many times
i like how garak berating the light for starting to fail is so relatable
yelling at technology for not working is exceedingly personable for everyone
I've always loved that last scene as it shows Klingons not just as muscle bound brutes who only care about victory at any cost, but in fact as insightful warrior philosophers able to see and value courage in all its myriad of subtle forms.
And that's what makes Klingons different from Nausicaans.
Agreed, this whole episode gives them a great amount of depth as people.
I love General Martok in that scene.
I love General Martok in all of his scenes.
Martok is a damn legend
I really hope the "resourceful Cardassian who faced his greatest fear with courage and honour" made it into the song.
Not by name, of course.
@@KyleRayner12 After all, he's merely a simple tailor.
Along with the "decent" Romulan who kept watch for the guards, and the backstabbing Breen that bought them the last bit of time.
I'll write it
ya know, in some "character analyses" of Garak, I see people question a lot about him. What is real. What's for show.
Garak, alone in that crawlspace, provides a lot of insight. There was no one to put on a show for. One common thought for Garak is that he uses the least amount of "force" needed to solve a problem, which is why he lies. The truth would work, but why risk using so much force? A lie carries less risk of exposing oneself, and can carry just the right amount of force to get the job done.
But, especially as he is entering a panicked state and his mental defenses are breaking down and he is berating himself, we see one thing very clearly.
He says to himself "Your friends are out there."
Not "your allies," or "people who see you as friend." Not "people depending on you," or "people you need the help of to survive this mess."
He says "your friends."
This is massive insight, because it reveals how Garak actually sees them. One debate is always about how much how he treats people is respect, expediency, convenience, etc. But the word friend belies that, no matter how else he might use them, and how else his mind may categorize his relationship with them in more optimal circumstances, when the walls are down and his mind is laid bare, to no one but himself, he admits those people (and not just Bashir) are his friends. There is a huge weight that comes with that word, especially for someone like Garak who only seems to let people close if it achieves an end goal. He actually values and cares for them.
And in the game of analyzing who Garak is and how his mind actually works, it's a magnificent, if subtle, clue.
Little insights like that show how complex and multi-layered a character like Garak is. To say nothing of how well and thoughtfully he was written, or how excellently Andrew Robinson portrayed him.
excellent analysis. I also love how it's extremely important for him to keep his promise to Ziyal.
Dude. That was like the opposite of TL;DR. Bravo.
@@RequiemPoete I am terrible at being succinct, so I am glad that, even writing that much, people have found it worthwhile to read it all.
@@nonyabizz9390 lol. KL;GR Kinda Long; Good Read. There we go.
100%. Garak is absolutely a scalpel over the hammer type
This episode made me like Martok a LOT more, because he was able to reach across the cultures and his general disregard of the honor of spies. It showed a wisdom in Worf and Martok that is rarely seen in Klingons, and it showed a sense of honor and strength that Garak rarely shows through his shell of lies and paranoia.
Alton VanQuaethem o
Well, it is the first episode that Martok appears in. Changeling Martok doesn't count.
@@Bek359 Martok was in TNG wasn't he? Plus we don't know when exactly he was abducted.
@@RequiemPoete Gowron was in TNG, Martok was not.
@@Bek359 oh that's right. You know, for an exile Worf ends up determining allot of Klingon Politics
a disciplined mind-
*light goes out*
a t r a i n w r e c k
Doesn't take much when you're on the edge to push you over it. Make fun when you've been there.
@@SVSky I literally was in a Trainwreck, and developed claustrophobia as a result and I laughed at his comment.
I have to commend Andrew Robinson for getting through this scene. That look of panic in Garak's eye in the dim light is practically real claustrophobic fear because Robinson really has that condition in real life. He channeled the hell out of it for this scene. plus while the set is open from the side he really is in a tight place with minimum lighting.
I've read that interview with Andrew, where he said Garaks' costume gave him a fit of claustrophobia at the beginning. He just used it to make his character better.
@@innamedvedev8327 I think the more interesting part is how Garak's look influenced him in keeping the role. He said that he felt absolutely terrible in that costume, that he was having an attack the second it was on him, but the second he saw himself in the costume and make up, to see this creature he has become, it made him feel like the claustrophobia didn't matter, he loved it so much.
@@ShogunMongol but that episode, inside a closed space, with flu... His suffering was tangible.
That's what you get when you hire theatric actors for TV- realism.
An unbreakable bond of respect was forged between these four during this ordeal. Elim, Julian, Martok and Worf, jailbreak bros.
Even subtle facial gestures by Andrew Robinson make this scene great - for example, the look on Garak's face when he realizes that two Klingons are impressed by his courage. Garak was not known for his "bravery" but the Klingons realized that not all bravery is manifest in combat.
The jerky motions of his eyes when Bashir helped him out, as if looking for an escape but too panicked to see one, and the empty dead look when they were prying the panel off for round 2.
"After all, a verse about the Cardassian who panicked in the face of danger would ruin General Martok's song."
"That would be unfortunate."
It was the honesty in Martok's voice as he said that. He'd make sure Garrak was properly honoured in that song.
Jack Gilroy the Klingons ave Cardassians actually have a lot in common surprisingly.
Instead the verse would be about the Cardassian who faced his fears and triumphed, act of courage long rememberde
@@Negasonic100 And be sure not to forget the verse about the two Romulans, a species known for their stealth, cunning and subterfuge who...watched the door...by standing directly at it and staring indiscreetly through the window looking as suspicious as physically possible.
True I suppose the romulans did help a little bit. Maybe a single verse in the song
The respect given to Garak in this is incredibly well done. It adds so much to the Klingon culture. It may be my favourite Klingon moment ever, funny since it revolves around a Cardassian. But this moment adds context to every bit of Klingon culture we have ever seen.
We saw something similar in Nemesis as well when Worf tells Riker that the Romulans "fought with honour".
Damn. That first bit of him talking himself down is just great. Very realistic for an intelligent person who hasn't actually beat their phobia. Applying logic and giving reasons to push through when every other part is screaming at him to get out.
Andrew is really claustrophobic, hence why the scene was so realistic.
@@r0bw00d Which makes this clip an excellent example of acting.
"If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them, 'Hold on!'"
Andrew Robinson was underrated as an actor. The first 90 seconds of this video are absolutely riveting.
+Agent of Chaos On the day they filmed his scenes in the wall, he was also suffering from severe flu
The amazing thing is that Robinson also had to overcome his Claustrophobia everyday with that makeup.
I'm thinking that he used that to his advantage. I'm amazed that he was able to overcome that fear, at least to the point where he was able to work on the show.
What genuinely pisses me off is other then DS9 the only role I know him from was the sheriff in Pumpkin Head 2.
Hellraiser and Dirty Harry was his two biggest movie roles.
Martok: there is no greater enemy than ones own fears.
Worf: it takes a brave man to face them.
That showed deep respect from Klingons and kinda showed how they view courage
In all shapes and sizes I believe martok said to nog
It's actually disturbing seeing Garak so vulnerable and honest. Even in the episode where his pleasure brain implant started to fail and you see him ranting in disgust and guilt, it wasn't like this. There he was just lashing out because he was miserable and in pain. Here, it's just raw. Especially that desperate and panicked, 'The light, the light went out.' You could tell Garak was just a few moments from curling up into the fetal position and going catatonic.
There are two Klingon songs I wish to hear. The first is the one mentioned in this video. The second would be detailing the short-lived "House of Quark" and the moment that a tiny Ferengi reminded the Klingon high council what honor and courage truly was.
And economics!
I also want to hear the song of the Great Tribble Hunt.
I love this scene because it shows that Klingons to acknowledge phobias as a formidable enemy
Yep, a Phobia isn't Cowardice. And willingly facing it is the highest form of bravery.
Even the Vikings knew about them.
“Each person bears a fear which is special to him. One man fears a close space and another man fears drowning; each laughs at the other and calls him stupid. Thus fear is only a preference, to be counted the same as the preference for one woman or another, or mutton for pig, or cabbage for onion.”
I like to think the Founder who posed as Martok had him spot on, at the time he took Martok's place. Arrogant, impulsive, even ignorant. But Martok's time in that prison taught him humility, and then seeing Garak, a Cardassian, brave that which even a Klingon would cringe from, really turned Martok into a much better Klingon, and started him to becoming quite possibly the best leader the Klingon Empire could have.
General Martok made true friends and allies when he met Worf, Bashir, and Garak for the first time. Of course, that's not how Garak would tell it.
The truly brave are those that know fear yet still do what they must.
Those who know no fear know no bravery
Well said. Coddling those with these fears is depriving them the opportunity of being truly brave. People can only be brave in a tough world.
Worf once said "Only a fool knows no fear."
To quote John Wayne "Courage doesn't mean you're not scared. Courage is being scared to death and saddling up anyway"
@@obliviouz That said, bravery is found in those who face fear because it is necessary.
Facing fear needlessly is mere recklessness, and excusing a needlessly tough world in pursuit of bravery is mere irresponsibility.
That's quite a moment when Martok gets that look on his face, realising Garak is getting up for round 2 against his fears!!!!!
Bravery is not the absence of fear, it is acting in spite of it.
The final lines surprised me first time I watched this. I expected them to just laugh, grunt, whatever. Instead I think they were very insightful about the situation and respectful to garak. I wish some people in real life were as understanding about others phobias. The lucky among us that do not have any phobias will never understand what it can be like.
I'm not convinced such people exist. If someone appears to have no phobias, it just means they haven't actually found theres.
@@Stardweller1 They're made a lot of the time through near death experiences. If you don't have a phobia, you can easily gain one.
@@Stardweller1 phobias are UNREASONABLE fear. It's not a phobia if you should feel scared.
I think it showed that Martok and Word understand bravery is not, not feeling fear, but acting inspire of it.
He's their ally and the only one who can carry out their plan. Of course they're try to bolster his spirits instead of bring him down.
You see a sign of the nuance, sophistication, and empathy in Klingon thinking when Garak says ‘that would *ruin* Martok’s song’. Even before he’s made his remarks to Worf, Martok demurs: ‘that would be unfortunate’.
He doesn’t agree to the harshest self-criticism that Garak gives vent to. That in itself, considering how dire their circumstances are, is an expression of empathy and respect.
"There's no greater enemy than one's own fears."
- "It takes a brave man to face them."
I like how this can be seen as a callback to TNG's "Night Terrors" where Worf contemplates suicide, but Deanna Troi talks him out of it by reminding him that "to admit that you are afraid gives you strength".
I would like to think that Garek heard them talking as he mentally prepares himself, knowing two of his friends are proud that he is willing to push through this fear and win can often turn the tide, as it does on the end
The Greatest Strength of Deep Space Nine, the most *Star Trek* thing about it are moments like this, when there's this beautiful cross pollination and interactions with the different cultures and people here. Martok the pure Klingon speaking of glory and victory, Worf the Klingon raised with human values but with pristine Klingon values beating in his heart struggling against endless odds, Bashir the compassionate human doctor trying to hold him together, and Garak a Burned Cardassian Spy who just came to find his father and ended up losing him, but is having to deal with a crippling phobia to save them all. There is respect, camaraderie, reverence among these four. As Martok sees Worf's strength for continuing in the gauntlet of Jem'Hadar, he also sees Bashir's skill at keeping Worf as healed as possible, and he and Worf recognize that Garak is fighting the toughest fight of all, a battle in his own mind against his own fears. Puts a tear in the eye at how awesome it is.
well said, well said
What's your favorite line from this?
Mine is "Now if you'll excuse me, my dungeon awaits."
"There is no greater enemy than one's own fears."
"The light, the light went out!"
I love the smile Garak shoots Martok at the end. It like he is putting his mask back on and going back to being the simple happy tailor.
"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past, I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone, there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
"
ILoveHandles oh how I look forward to the next Dune attempt...
"The litany...... It helps sometimes"
Garak: "Fear had an accident and didn't make it. I was nowhere near it at that point."
@@jhwheuer It was everything I'd hoped it would be and more. Looking forward to the next one!
@@jhwheuer It actually was not too bad.
Martok is an amazing character and such a great pair for Worf.
In so much of TNG, Worf is continously put up against elements of Klingon culture that, in practice, fall short of the ideal vision in his head.
Basically, every encounter Worf has with anything Klingon is a sobering realization that the great, honorable people he grew up admiring from afar as part of his heritage, aren't as noble or honorable as he had come to believe and he tends to leave each encounter a little more disillusioned, wondering if the people he admired ever really existed. It's very sad.
Then...Martok appears, THIS Martok (not the changeling). And he's rowdy and rough, but also insightful and wise.
"Heh, your federation friends have..."
In most cases like this, the follow-up would have been something like "made you soft," or a backhanded comment about how they've ruined Worf's ability to revel in glorious battle.
But with Martok it's simply "Your federation friends have taught you modesty." It's not not dismissed as a negative or a weakness, it's simply acknowledged as a trait Worf has gained from them, followed by the simple suggestion that now is not the time for it.
Then comes the scene with Garak. Where our plain, simple tailor pulls himself out of bed and heads back into the crawlspace with all his claustrophobia. And Martok's observation is not on the weakness of being afraid of a simple crawlspace, nor a gloat on how a true warrior would not have let fear slow him this much in the first place. Instead, we get "there is no greater enemy, than one's own fears."
It's unlikely Martok suffers from claustrophobia himself, yet he sees Garak's struggle, and rather dismiss him as weak, he acknowledges Garak for facing that fear for their benefit.
Martok is the friend and the family Worf needed to find. Martok is, in practice, Worf's ideal vision of what a Klingon should be. He's not flawless by any means, but he's strong, honorable and wise.
A truly noble warrior.
If only they'd brought back the Kahless clone actor now and again, him Martok and Worf would be a epic team.
I love how Garak talks to the light. It reminds me of myself...
Me with any electronics
It reminds me of myself in a roller coaster. Nearly the same wording to
Its really endearing that as much as Garak would have everyone believe otherwise, or at the very least be unsure, he genuinely considers them his friends.
i saw a interview with Andrew Robinson where he was saying he actually IS Claustrophobic. He almost couldn't play Garak because of it. He had a lot to draw on here
One great part about this scene is it flies in the face of the first officer in tng who thought Klingons wouldn't make good counselors. It also helps prove why DS9 was such a great series. Sure, they didn't warp off to another planet every week, but that didn't mean they never went anywhere. Anyone can travel the galaxy in a tricked out spaceship; it takes a real explorer to go within...
To be fair, the way klingons were portrayed in tng didn't leave much in the way of this kind of understanding. Worf was the main example of the race, and he was very much against talking about his feelings, etc
Andrew Robinson is an amazing actor. This had to be hard for him but it really payed off watching him.
Admiration from Klingons over Garak's courage? High praise indeed.
Garak talks to his light like I talk to my computer when it's in need of hardware updates and develops its own form of computer schizophrenia.
Oh yea~! I love it when they show (what I believe) are the True Klingon colors. Charging headlong into battle is one thing, self-doubt is another. Internal battles are often the most difficult.
Like Kolos told Archer: "My father was a teacher. My mother, a biologist at the university".
I would LOVE to see an episode with a Klingon Therapist = "You have battled the demons within, and you have emerged victorious~! Your willpower over your fears cannot be denied, they will retreat as your senses sing glorious tales of your success..."
Nobody gonna mention the fact that Garak, all by himself, speaking his mind freely, referred to them as his friends?
I love how when they're talking about what a badass Worf is, he winces at Bashir lightly dabbing at a cut on his cheek.
Cause wounds being treated always hurt worse than being wounded. :P
He just fought and defeated 7 Jem Hadar soldiers in hand to hand combat, he's in a lot of pain.
@@SwordsmanMercenary Because you're sitting there, expecting it.
This is an old video and I have not read the bulk of the comments, but this was not acting by Mr. Robinson- he really is severely claustrophobic, and the make up job initially was almost too much for him to take, until he saw the result in the mirror and knew this was the acting chance of a lifetime. And then he used his actual freakout and remembered his lines and got through the ordeal.
He should gave gotten an Emmy for this (and combat pay).
I read about that. I'd love to meet the guy.
And now next month I will be!
This, to me, is the greatest 2-parter in DS9. HUGE insights into Garak’s character, the introduction to the real Martok, and a prison escape plot? Fantastic. Always going to be my favorite
Garak's look at the end of the clip, is one of amazement, I think. He just got complimented on his courage by two Klingons - coming from them, that constitutes high praise.
That's not amazement. That's dread and terror. He knows he's about to go into a situation he probably would consider dying before having to face.
I tend to agree with you. Garak is a survivor - quite unaccustomed to being praised by two members of a warrior race.
The actual actor himself, Andrew Robinson is claustrophobic in real life, which really informs this performance
The healer hero. Oh how many mmos have I played wanting that title.
Mac Russell some of my friends I play online with have given me that name, even though I don't find being a healer is my role, but they always get me to play a healer and for some reason when I'm it no one dies, even on hard bosses or overwhelming amounts of enemies, but even still I don't enjoy playing them 😂😂
Eq ac ac2 eq2 etc etc
It takes no courage to do that which you do not fear. The greater the fear, the greater the courage it takes to face that fear.
I loved this scene. It made Martok and Worf much deeper characters, but also showed why they are the best Klingons.
Worf doesn't like Garak, and I don't think that Martok does either. But both of them acknowledge courage wherever it is - even if it's a Cardassian who is battling nothing but his own fears.
It's why they are both the consummate Klingon warriors, and someone like Gowron is... well, not. I can't imagine he would care about anything other than the fights in the arena, after all.
Gowron was arrogant and power hungry he was never a mindless meathead though he understands courage in all its forms
@@godking I don't know. In TNG he is definitely not like that. He has a sense of honour in TNG, I think. But by the end of DS9, his jealous and lust for power has overtaken him.
He loses himself after becoming chancellor.
Hopefully 1 day,
I will hear the song!!!
2:56 I like how the Breen inmate is always just chilling lol!
Oh hey is that a *heartless* group of space vikings who's only purpose is to die in battle? Admitting that the hardest battle is the one with yourself. Also an Iconic Garak line. Def in my top 5 off all episodes.
You know you're doing good when even the Klingons speak in hushed whispers around you.
Alton VanQuaethem we have to say this situation did bring out the best in them. even the breen prisoner did his part with no true reason of survive. the common enemy effect.
"Never turn your back on a Breen" ~ The Romulan Prisoner
There are so many great episodes in DS9, it is hard to remember them all. Thanks for posting this.
DS9 had amazing story telling.
Probably the best out of the three
As a claustrophobe, I'd be bashing through the walls until I hit sunlight, which would likely be outside the tin can of a ship in the vacuum of space. But I'd get there, trust me. Never get between a mother bear and her cub or a man with Claustrophobia. He'll stomp on your broken skull to get a little open space.
I'm reminded of an episode of TNG when shut up, Wesley was shocked to learn that Worf was not fearless. Worf told him that only fools have no fear. Very true words.
I love Klingons. Outwardly they are violent barbarians with an honor code that dictates winning a fight above all else. Then when you step closer their culture is reminiscent of Caesar era Roman culture with fine wines, operas, a patrician/plebian family divide, etc. With this scene we can add that they have an advanced understanding of mental health which makes me want to see them portray a Klingon councilor.
There is no greater courage than facing your deepest fears
1:09 I do this practically everyday. I find it helps with this totally fucked up world we live in.
I love this episode and Garak's part in it, I totally understand how he's feeling, I'm extremely claustrophobic also. To the point that in the past when I needed to get an MRI, I would have to take anxiety pills I have for panic attacks just so that I could get through it. There were times in the past when I was still with my ex when nurses would even allow her to be in the room with me and she would just have her hand on my ankle and just knowing she was there with me made it easier for me to get through it.
I wouldn't wish claustrophobia on anyone, there are no words to truly describe the uder fear that comes over you.
Love Martok's double take at realising that Garak is going to put himself through a living hell
Garak you are brave. :)
This is why Martok was a better klingon then most, Worfs understanding was instilled by federation values, exposure to other species, Martok was a born and raised Klingon, and yet he still understood the wisdom in understanding.
The greatest weapon is the mind, a man named Rambo once said.
I found a new respect for his character, doing that while suffering from acute claustrophobia.
It's uncanny how much Martok sounds like Scar from "The Lion King" when he says "We're not going anywhere!" at 2:51
Do you know what an honor it is to have a Klingon call you brave??? They think most highly of Garak.
They know what courage looks like, even it is being shown by a member of a species they don't like.
I really want to hear that song, they should have found a way to incorporate it an episode.
The actor who plays Garak actually suffers from claustrophobia in real life.
Garak and I have something in common. I am claustrophobic to the extreme...I cant even get into an MRI machine without wanting to rip it apart... Claustrophobia is the most terrifying of phobias imo.
You know what I would like to see but probably never will? The song. Especially the verse about the cardasian who faced his fears and used his wits to help bring them all home.
I still kinda wanna hear the song xD
At least when the light went out he didn't let out that long howling scream he did in Dirty Harry.
"They're look alike."
"What about that smell? You know only top of the line models can even talk."
Worf and martok speak the truth dealing with my own fears
This is one of my favorite episodes in the series.
Considering Andrew does suffer from claustrophobia I believe....
take the best episode of voyager, multiply it by 500, and you have an average ds9 episode
Take the best episode of Voyager, multiply it by 500, and you have 1/10th of an average DS9 episode.
#TIFIFY
what many people fail to consider, even IF worf and martok were thinking otherwise secretly (what I think is unlikely, since even klingons know fear), it's not a wise move to discourage your only chance of escape before you actually escaped :D a smart move from both of them
I could swear I heard Garak mumbling, "i will face my fear and let it pass through me..."
DS9 did a lot to make many species more relatable.
VOY meanwhile did not. Most species were never seen again due to it being so far away from the Alpha and Beta Quadrants.
In fact the show dismantled the Borg, turned them into a nuisance at best and ultimately destroyed them.
PIC and STD just... uh... yeah.
2:57 is that Breen just chillin' with the rest of them? xD
They chilled nicely, until someone turned his back to them.
Martok is the way Klingons should be. Honourable and in turn equally recognising of honour in others not just warriors.
That type of insight is the salvation of the Klingon Empire if the others could see it.
3:51 - The way Garak just rose up like The Undertaker still amuses me decades later.
Martok and Worf exemplify all the best traits of the Klingons.
And it took a Cardassian to figure out what Q meant about the "Inner exploration" man would undertake to truly start to grow the species in the last episode of TNG . One of not only the best scenes in DS9 but also one of the most encouraging and the line HAD to be delivered by an alien character . lol
Whenever I see Garak I can't help but wonder how Pinhead feels about him escaping again, and with no uncle Frank to blame it on? 😂😂
Well, Kirsty's dad was a good man, as such, hence Pinheads line about him being in his own hell, and quite out of reach. I take that to mean he's in heaven.
Now if u excuse me, my dungeon awaits
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AWWWWWW
Garrick. A Tinker, a Tailor, a Soldier & a Spy
Andrew is a great actor and underrated
This scene...
I would have loved to see an episode where they played that song!
The Klingons were so respectful it physically pained me, so beautiful.
I think its more than just respect (though clearly respect is still involved), more like admiration. Klingons treat fears like we would treat running into a demon. For them fears are literal living things, spirits that battle you in your mind. I think for klingons such a battle where your physical abilities can't save you is truly terrifying, hence their high regard.
@@Deepingmind Each person bears a fear which is special to him. One man fears a close space and another man fears drowning; each laughs at the other and calls him stupid. Thus fear is only a preference, to be counted the same as the preference for one woman or another, or mutton for pig, or cabbage for onion. (From the book Eaters of the Dead.)
Why do we never get to hear the song they wrote? 😁
Aaaaand scene!! WoW!! I forgot this was one of the times Garak lost his shit in the worst time!! 😳🤣
I agree to a point. DS9 focused on the story and the growth of the people but I also like the action and Voyager had that in spades. DS9 did not really get into the action until the last few seasons. However I very much enjoyed them both. I even enjoyed Enterprise tho it seems that most fans don't and consider it to be a black mark on the Star Trek as a whole. I hated the original. It's not the set or bad space graphics, that is to be expected from so long ago. It was the HORRIBLE acting.
Really wish we had known more about that Breen.
I hear their planet is a tropical paradise.
Man the sheer panic in that meek "The light went out"
Fear... Fear is the mind killer...
::points to a light up sigh that has that entire passage onit! :::
This was the episode where Martok started to become my favorite Klingon...