What I love about that comparison too is that the iconic dance from the movie Gomez and Morticia has is VERY physical because both in the relationship understand their love language is physical. Wednesday’s love language however is very much not physical so her “romantic” dance is way more distant from the dance partner but it’s clear the WHOLE time that she is still including him in the dance even if she’s a distant person physically.
Wednesday's dance is iconic, but IMO, part of the reason it slays so hard is the expression on her face as she's dancing. It's very intense, but at the same time aloof, and just above everything that's going on around her.
The best thing about her breaking out into dance is that I didn't expect her to do it. It was a pleasant surprise in my opinion. I definitely like her style.
Yes, but in one interview she said that watched videos of Siouxsie Sioux, Lena Lovich, and general 80's goth dancing for inspiration. I laughed when she referred to "back and forth dancing" which we used to call the gothic two step.
Crazier than that, she mentioned she would be happy to choreograph it, forgot about it and then two days before the scene she remembered she was going to do that and spent the next two days sleeplessly researching and arranging it. Just powered through it last minute.
@@nickb6425 She was Ellie too? I didn't knew that. She makes a really good Job and because of that, I didn't noticed it was the same person. Wow! There are actors who play every charactere so similar, I see them and know "That's this actor", but in her case I thought the whole time I never saw her.
"There's a difference in social anxiety, fear of judgement from others and being introverted where you don't really get energy from hanging around other people in fact it's kind of exhausting." THANK YOU. As someone who suffers from social anxiety, AND is naturally introverted, a lot of the time, even with family, people just always go "you need to socialize more." without even realizing, I'm HAPPY being on my own. There are so many times when it comes to the holidays where I just need to go off on my own for a bit, and I just wish family would understand, that it isn't to offend them, it's just I need to recharge for a bit.
Same! One of my theories is that I developed social anxiety because my family couldn't accept me being introverted and critisized me for being the way I am. I'm totally fine on my own, I only get anxious about stuff related to others. I also enjoy social gatherings or activities sometimes, I just get exhausted fast. Most of the time people judge others for leaving early, so I'd rather not join at all than being shamed for leaving after one or two hours. I was actually happiest when I studied abroad and was given the opportunity to join and leave social events on my own timeline without people judging me. People were happy I joined them, even if it was just for an hour. I wish the society I live in would adopt this attitude because it'd make life a lot easier and more enjoyable for me :)
Yes, same! I also feel this pressure at work. I wish people understood how important it is for me to decompress in silence during lunch. It makes my day so much more stressful and exhausting needing to push myself to socialize off the clock. I’m interacting with people all day, let me have my 30 minutes in peace!
most people simply cannot understand that what makes them feel good, has the opposite effect for an introvert. since my family didn't get it, I pulled away, until we hardly knew each other. now, I have no ties, and every day brings me the comfort I enjoy
I love how Jenna Ortega's Wednesday Addams was able to incorporate the original black and white Wednesday Addams dance in with hers I don't know if you noticed it but before she does her little Maraca hand dance, while the camera is zoomed out slightly showing her and Tyler you can see her doing a little shimmy thing as her hand slowly sway back and forth.
I'm a rare extroverted autistic person, and omg, that dilemma of "is it introversion or social anxiety" has plagued me for decades. I wish I'd had someone like you to explain it to me when I was young. I could have been spared 20 years of bs
I'm also an extroverted autistic person, but I can honestly say that I don't experience social anxiety the way other people describe it. I genuinely forget that other people have thoughts and opinions about me, and that I should care what those are. I do, however, like when others treat me well, and I know that the best way to get that treatment is to be pleasant and respectful towards them. On a possibly related note, I also cannot conceive of stage fright -- I literally cannot understand why people get so worked up and scared about speaking to or performing for groups of people.
So, as you're saying here, Wednesday probably is an introvert. The mindset of "I'd rather be back in my dorm doing what I want to do." Because, originally, before she went to this dance, she was just sitting in her room working on her novel. She had NO INTEREST in going to the dance. Until both Thing and Tyler kind of forced her as a way to get out of her comfort zone. But then she took the dance as an opportunity. Basically thinking, "If these people think I'm weird, let's give them weird. I don't care." And we get this absolutely beautiful, but, for most people looking at it, weird dance that actually kind of just... Encapsulates Wednesday as a person. She IS an outcast, even among other outcasts. She goes away from the herd. She is the black sheep. And she is completely fine with that, displayed by the dance she does. As you say she's "dancing like nobody's watching"; She is showing her truest self, and if people don't like it? In her mind, that's their problem. Not hers. A big theme in Wednesday as a show is Identity. Wednesday, the character, shows that, even with the desire to fit in so high around her in a school setting, that the best outcome for her is to keep her sense of self.
Yes, but you can also see how she’s often surrounded by people who like her or love her and she pushes them away to play into her “outcast among outcasts” narrative.
One thing I noted about the part of the dance that is your favorite part: Wednesday's movement (moving horizontally, swinging her elbows) could be interpreted as a purposeful act to both force those around her to pay attention to her, while simultaneously forcing them to move out of her way to avoid being potentially elbowed in the face. A way for her to say, "I'm here, and I'm going to do what I want, you had best move out of my way if you don't want to get injured."
Love that you covered this dance sequence, I have an INTP personality type and have a lot social anxiety, especially around crowds and fireworks, but I dance with the confidence of a drunk king, so for me, the scene was incredibly accurate to how I feel around most people. So thank you once again for covering these topics.
Same. I have GAD and am pretty introverted, so I'm happy this scene was covered. Though, I still don't dance and I absolutely hate parties and being around people; I only dance if I'm truly alone, because it's still too much for me in a crowded place or even a place with just a few people. lol Glad you dance though. Sounds like a good time!
For me dancing normally is more stressing than doing some goofy ass dance, because everyone sees that I'm just doing it for fun. On The other hand, when I try to dance "seriously" (if it's even possible) I get anxious bc I feel like my skills are being judged and the last thing I wanna come off as is incompetent
I just find dancing incredibly weird. To me, there is no difference between what Wednesday did in this and a professional dancer. It's all just weird flailing your body and / or limbs around to music.
@@zhain0 this! I have similar observations. I'd say professional dancing is dancing in a way that's more appealing to avg receiver, striving for perfection, emotions (like in acting) and relationship with the craft. For most people dancing is just fun activity/a way to express themselves, so as long as you're enjoying yourself you're doing it correctly.
It's the reason I rarely did performances back when I took dance classes. Making a mistake in class was one thing, messing up the choreography in public was a risk I wasn't willing to take.
Finally someone gets it... Introvert doesn't necessarily comes with social anxiety... I am an Introverted, i have my own way expressing. This include dancing in public by my own choice if i am feeling euphoric. Wednesday know who she is, and as the movie said, she never let anyone influence her! I have my own share of social anxiety, but my case only limited to the bubble that knows me and i need to interact with them. If it's public, i usually only about their personal space, and the rest is party in my own bubble!
Also, introverted does not mean you are always quiet and can not enjoy socialising, you absolutly can, you can be the life of a party if you feel up to it just not often and not long for it is endlessly draining.
I love both of these explanations because this is me to the T. and I love that you both get it. Zero social anxiety but major introvert life of the party but I can’t do it often or I’m drained for days and want nothing to do with humans. Most people really don’t get it.
Her "I dont give a F about you" attitude is also what makes her badass on top of everything else, which also makes viewers drawn to her because many of us, deep down, care what others think to some degree, no matter how much we deny it, and seeing someone able to genuinely achieve that is have respect towards her
Hearing you explain how her dance shields everyone else makes sense. It is on par for her character. The entire series, she took it on herself to be the protector. She protected her brother, her friends, and the school. On another note, at my senior prom, nobody was dancing. My date and I were the first ones to go on the dance floor. Once out there, people started dancing.
A thing I noticed about Wednesday's dance movements is not only are they sharp and dramatic, but she takes advantage of the space around her and uses it to the max so she really is fully expressing herself in it.
It was so cool to see the little pieces of Wednesday’s personality mixed into the dance. The spooky elements really tied the bow onto the scene imo. Especially loved the head tilt and movement that was reminiscent of an animated porcelain doll.
This gives me something to think about. Since I've always struggled socially, I had close friends that assumed I was introverted & even autistic. But I actually feed off social energy. I love dance performance & I feel high-on-life after leaving anime cons. I just have social anxiety, trauma & social ignorance. I had to learn how to express myself & connect with others.. being unable to made me fearful, confused & socially exhausted. Still not sure where at on the extroverted & introverted scale I sit. But this talk makes me feel like I'm far more extroverted than I thought & social anxiety was holding me back.
I have an INTJ personality and it was hard for me to relate with most of the characters shown in media, but Wednesday was the few that I saw myself in. Like how she doesn’t adjust to collective social expectations, is offbeat, enjoys solitude, and is flawed but ambitious, caring and pursues interest that often come with the price of loneliness. Before I watched Wednesday, my only hope was to see how her personal heroism, morbidity, and philosophy could adapt to the modern world- the show had exceeded my expectations! I also can say now that I can make the excuse of not having rhythm by calling it a “Wednesday dance” lol
As a woman on the spectrum who likes dancing, I just love the dance scene. Like, living in a suburban-esque area, I constantly need to wear headphones and listen to music to deal with the sensory overstimulation and stress that city life and living in an area surrounding big cities creates. But with my love for dancing, it's hard not to just burst out dancing on the sidewalks and I often still end up doing a dance move or two when walking around the city. It's like facing a 'Try not to sing or dance' challenge every time I go out. As difficult as I find being in a crowd, I generally don't give a fuck about what I do or what I wear. I'm that rare soul who dances in bathrobes at stoplights, and its why people consider me one of the town crazies (it actually happened twice, that I forgot to bring a jacket, it got cold so I bought myself a new bathrobe each time to keep me warm and wore them as coats instead. I told my mom when she made a remark about it, "So what if they're all looking, I bet those pussies would kill for my confidence.")
I love Wednesday's dance. I just feel it really works for the character! She’s practically dead with the way she moves, but with this blank, expressionless face and it’s just so Wednesday! I don’t think any other character could pull this dance off.
One thing that probably helps wednesday to not care is that she is already seen as the weirdo, and no matter what she does this label follows her. Having been in this situation, I can tell you it's much easier to let loose and do as you please because you don't have much to lose. When you're already cast aside from the group and they made it clear you were never gonna fit in, you might as well have fun in your own way and be your most splendid self!
Love your videos on this series. Your first one actually made me immediately start watching it! I find your thoughts on social anxiety vs introversion quite interesting. It actually helps me see more into the lives of my husband and metamours as they are all introverts who have social anxiety to varying degrees whereas I am simply a regular introvert with dancing being my only big social weakness.
I want to say this video needed to be made. I see many people online referring to themselves as introverts but they describe it more like anxiety. I call it wanting to sit at the cool kids table. I believe videos like this can help people understand the differences and get the proper help.
@@J4ckCr0w It's honestly annoying that people keep trying to label a character as autistic, when they probably aren't. People just love to boldly diagnose everything these days.
@@kerrissedai6857 She doesn't 'not understand' social cues. She just doesn't care about them. She 100% understands them, because she purposefully uses them to make people feel uncomfortable.
"Let me know how you are on the dance floor". Ooh, you asked the right question. I am always in my head. Logic used to reign supreme, at the cost of dulled emotions. I could hear the music, and even want to dance, but I couldn't FEEL it. In the last year, I've done a lot of growing. My friend had a wedding last year, and his sister was paired with me among the wedding party. She is an extreme introvert, but absolutely loves dancing. When the dance floor opened, I was contented to sit aside like usual. But she came over with the biggest smile, leaned forward and offered me her hand, "Come dance with me!". I've observed many dances, trying to memorize them. But I have no muscle memory and still can't feel the music like others can. But I'm getting closer. That moment was amazing, and I danced with her joyfully. She gave me lessons in my apartment, and we have danced a few times since. Those siblings are the best friends I've ever had, and are a big part of why I'm able to express and experience my emotions to the degree I can today.
Oh how wonderful ! Yes that feeling and learning to let go. I hope you keep dancing and sharing those moments with those who you care for. Appreciate you sharing your story
I go to nightclubs pretty often so this whole Wednesday dance going around and this video about social anxiety and introversion and extroversion really hits home with me. It’s weird sometimes going out to the dance floor to dance. I’m usually a pretty serious person so it’s hard for me to let loose sometimes. I get social anxiety sometimes but it usually goes away pretty quickly. I’m introverted and extroverted. Because I do like my alone time and people can be really draining but I’m also extroverted because I do love people and large groups of people and being in large groups and partying with lots of people. I guess I have only a small amount of social anxiety and I’m an introvert who wants to be more extroverted.
I am both introverted and have a good dose of social anxiety. Most of my issues are with chaotic social environments such as crowds or dinner parties where everyone is competing to talk. One would even think I was extraverted if there were talking to me one on one or in a structured social setting such as a classroom where I have always been an active participant even more so than many so-called extroverts. But I know I am a natural introvert because I spend most of my time alone and like it that way. I tend to get irritated when other people disturb whatever solo activity I'm engaged with.
Funny story: I am kind of a good dancer and at one point in my life this was basically my job, I just had to be the first to go in the dancefloor to make it easier for the „normale“ guests to join in and let loose. So more often than not I just danced really silly and just like whatever I was in the mood for and I even got payed for it - best job ever 😁
@@breesnutz honestly don’t know if that job has a name 🤷♀️ we called it „ice breaker“ but I doubt that that’s official. I got it by chance honestly, we were hired as dancers for a show and I was approached afterwards and offered said job. Sorry I know that’s not really helpful 😅
Georgia! Georgia! Georgia! Georgia! You gave me my Christmas present early!!!! YOU DANCING the Wednesday DANCE!!!! GOING TO WATCH THIS ON REPEAT. For days. And days. = ) And you covered these topics in an easily digestible, understandable way! My favorite part was the same as yours...elbows up and side to side head movement. Jenna Ortega choreographed this herself the night before they shot it. And absolutely LOVE the cosplay. (Still vote for a peek inside your closet. = ) Typically, I don't get energy from being social. I give it. Making sure everybody has a fun time and no one is left out. When dancing, I'm the one who makes it okay for others to loosen up and have fun! Annnd THANK-YOU FOR THIS!!!! YOU made my millennium!
My dad was extroverted and always accused anyone who was not extroverted of being mentally ill, needing treatment to get them to be the "right" way. I have gotten that signal from a lot of other extroverts as well.
That point about being able to overcome social anxiety is so true! I have always struggled with what people would call “shyness”. In reality it was probably mild-moderate social anxiety. After covid it became near crippling for a while. But I aspire to be a lawyer, and that involves social contact and maintaining connections. So I started to make myself talk to people outside my friend group again. Mainly waiters at restaurants and cashiers at stores- just a bit of small talk, even ordering was difficult. But it takes practice. Now I’m literally the most outgoing and confident person out of my friends. I order for them when we go out, pay for them at stores, ask for help. I encourage them to do it themselves of course, but when they can’t- I do. It’s fun!
I always find the depth of your wardrobe impressive. I mean, for what reason would you ever have a dress like that? haha. Wednesday admitting that it might be benificial to care a bit more about social norms than she does is a big deal. She is identifying a possible personality flaw. Always a good step forward in improving on said flaws. Also this clips are rather good. My wife said the show was better than the trailer made it seem to be. I might have to give it a watch.
I went out bargain shopping for the dress it’s a true Frankenstein dress as it’s three pieces put together as one. Makes me happy you appreciate the work into the mild cosplays
@@GeorgiaDowI appreciate it also!!!... As a cosplayer, dancer/musician & omnivert/ambivert ? 🤷🏽♀️ (I get them confused ...as I get a boost when I go out & perform, but have a tough time forcing myself to go out from the quiet safety of home for fear of being judged/rejected though I know I will have fun once I am there!). My therapist / Dr thinks 🤔 it's anxiety & I'm like = Nah, I don't FEEL nervous but do have a lotta PTSD so maybe it's true?!
I'm today years old when I heard the difference between social anxiety and being introverted... I've been backing away from interacting with people and from social media for a while, that I thought it's an introvert thing to do. But now watching this video, it's maybe, partially, something more to do with social anxiety. I haven't got the chance to get help from a professional mental health provider, but knowing what I might have going on definitely gives some clear, distinct thoughts to consider. I hope someday I can be as confident and sure as myself as Wednesday. Absolute icon.
So much of the arc of my life has been defined by how I learned to (and continue to learn to) overcome social anxiety. Last night, my wife and I attended a dance party (in Houston, TX). I was wearing one of my kilts. I was the only person wearing a kilt … and only *one* other person at the party had *ever* worn a kilt (my father-in-law). Not giving a rat's +++ is a learned skill, and it gets far easier with age and practice. But like all skills, it takes practice. I've been dancing for a long time. I've lost track of the number of times that other, newer dancers have told me, "I wish that I could dance like you, but I'm afraid that I'll look like a fool." My response has remained consistent: "That's what is holding you back. I *bombed* every single one of my best moves *50 times on the dance floor* before I got them right." Learning to succeed includes a whole lot of failing. If you can get comfortable with failing in public, you'll learn much faster.
This actually made me finally realize that I'm more extraverted than I thought I was! It was always the social anxiety that made me ask and converse less with people. But now that I am in the process getting over my social anxiety really well I am so much more social!
@@GeorgiaDow also I can't believe that a therapist's evaluation of a character like Wednesday Addams is what I need to be listening to right now. It's really interesting to hear that introversion and social anxiety aren't necessarily connected, and I'm starting to question if I'm truly introverted or if I have social anxiety instead.
It's also important to be aware of the spectrum. For example, I'm an Extroverted Introvert. I can feed off of the positive energy of others but only to a certain extent. Social energy provides a temporary boost, whereas energy that I gain from being in a quiet spot for a while provides long term energy. This is also linked to my ADHD. One of my traits is that I have a limiter on how much I can interact before my brain begins to shut down socially and I begin to prefer being alone or even just spectating.
The thing I didn’t realize until I took a social skills class is that your perception of your own introversion/extroversion can be affected by those skills. I knew I had social anxiety and enjoyed independent cerebral pursuits, so I always thought I was a definite introvert. What I didn’t realize is how much your wanting to be around other people is affected by how well those interactions typically go. When things go smoothly, and you’re able to steer conversation towards topics about which you’re both passionate (or even just enjoy a comfortable silence without pressure), and you’re able to joke and create fun times for everyone, and you feel respected and valued and included, it can affect how much energy you get from being with others. I’m at the point now where I consider myself more of an ambivert.
I'm glad you explained the difference between social anxiety and introversion. I spent a long time not realizing that my "introversion" was actually social anxiety but once I did, it really helped me.
love it! that scene is iconic, I hate dancing, but I felt like dancing while watching the scene because she is so contagious. I thought having social anxiety and being an introvert went hand in hand, thanks for clarifying the differences. I love your videos and seeing that maybe your outfit at the end was Enid's makes me very happy, because i want more.
I'm introverted and act like I have no shame like wednesday, but deep down I get soooo embarassed and feel a bit of social anxiety. The positive thing is that people like me because of my "lack" of shame and I get happy because of that and get to be my true crazy self, but yes social interactions also saps the energy out of me.
Also don't forget: You could also _not_ want to dance at all yet feel obligated to because others judge you if you don't. That's my experience at least. I did not think much about dancing, then people started throwing it on me and basically trying to force me to dance. The more I said "No thank you, I don't like it" the more insistent and judgy they became. And now I actively _dislike_ dancing as a result. That applies to all activities in social events too. So if the answer to "what would _you_ be doing if you really didn't care" is "I wouldn't be doing any of this or even be here in the first place, I'd actually be enjoying myself if I wasn't here" that's okay too!
Georgia, I'm really enjoying this more subject-based approach to this show as opposed to going character-by-character. Thank you for sharing your expertise! It's been super helpful ♥
Ayyy I wasn't expecting to see the Sasquatch guy dancing to Unstopable by Santigold, it's one of my fav videos on the net! I absolutely loved how you were dancing at times, couldn't stop giggling even after the video ended. Great analysis, I think it's very important people finally realize the difference between introversion and social anxiety. "No, I'm not anxious, I just don't wanna be here and I'm already tired" is my motto for most social conventions.
I always loved dance as a way to break down social anxiety. There is an element of 'dancing like no one is watching' that can be defiant/defensive, but I found if you welcome/invite others to join (or at least are aware and respectful of others entering the dance space), it breaks a lot of ice and gives people an opening to be themselves. I also liked how you said that dancing has no rules, which I think people can forget in an effort not to look silly. Dance is expressive, and it takes courage to express yourself anytime, but the lack of rules makes it both easier and harder.
I'm glad you brought this up. I forced myself to be more extroverted. I don't know how much you put stock in MBTI, but I went from most of my teenage years and early 20s as being an ISTP, to an INTP around 30, to then becoming an ENFP at 33. I actively wanted to change my personality to the personality that I envisioned myself in my imagination. I've always been more extroverted in my head, despite being an introvert most of my life. Funny enough, I've noticed during covid a lot of people became more introverted, while I did the reverse.
@5:50 there is a great scene in an anime called, " Rascal Does Not Dream of Bunny Girl Senpai" in its final episode that really contagious this patient and execution. For the main character helps his sister face the fear of going outside.
I consider myself an introvert but I remember being invited by university friends to a dance club and not finding the conversation fun so much I just went on the empty dance floor and started dancing. People did start to pile up.
That "push em away" defence you mentioned reminds me on a Daria quote "...and im so defended i actively make people dislike me so that i dont feel bad when they do."
I have both social anxiety and introversion. Though because of the introversion, I tend to not want to socialize anyway. All I want is the care of what others think to go away to I can be in a little bubble peacefully while I go outside my house, since I get anxiety just from going out and getting gas, for example.
Honestly from just the few first words i finally understood what i am in like an extrovert or introvert. I always thought i might be an introvert because i am kinda shy and have a hard time starting converstations but that couldnt be further from the truth. I am an extrovert i love being around people i love talking with people i love making friends i dont like being alone so honestly like thank you😂😂 and i really love the fact you poppped up on my suggestions because i do want to be a therapist and i am honestly learning so much just from watching yours videos
I decided about 20 years ago to not let other people decide how I feel. Not stuffing my emotions but actually not caring what other people think of me. As I got better at this I found I had set myself free. I was a lot that way before but would feel embarrassed when anyone said something negative to or about me. Now I truly don't care what someone else says. I just do my own things. If you don't like what I do, no one is paying you to watch me so. . . . One major non negotiable rule. No One Gets Hurt, Ever!
First off, I love your videos. It is true that Wednesday is an introvert but does not suffer from social anxiety, which is not like me, but I connected with the character in the way she handles relationships. Wednesday seems to have several defense mechanisms put in place so she won’t get hurt. She preemptively rejects people so she won’t be at risk of rejection, she pushes people away so she won’t get hurt. She makes herself an extreme outcast just so people won’t judge her unique behavior and traits, which frankly she’s not that weird. I was really sad that when she finally opened up to a love interest, she was betrayed. At least we saw her finally showing her true love for Enid. I wonder how it will play out in the next season.
I'm introverted with a lot of social anxiety :D Most of the people I've spoken to think it's only social anxiety, so they are trying to make me do things I am not interested in doing even if I didn't have social anxiety and I don't know how to react to those things. :/ They keep telling me I need to leave the comfort of my own home where my cat and all my things are, to go outside to different venues where there's people, and be part of clubs and activities. When I didn't have as much social anxiety I do now, I did all sorts of things I didn't even know were weird until friends told me that I'm 'so cool' for not caring about how weird something was. To me they were just practical and efficient ways and things AND YEAH! GEORGIA! Do them dance moves! :D You rocking it you are! You are such a gem to watch and listen to
The note you had at 3:00 about how being your weird authentic self "protects" others and encourages them to open up more is literally why I continue to be who I am every day. I had some staff watching me dance in the aisle at the thrift store yesterday because the song had a swing dance rhythm and my body naturally moves to it. I cry easily and often, I'm openly vulberable and genuine to the point that people "get to know me" QUICKLY and are dumbfounded by how open I am. I love who I choose to be, and I keep meeting people who say I'm helping them be more expressive simply by being me. I like the idea of "protecting" them from the judgment of others since those others will judge me more harshly and idgaf if they do.
I'm autistic, introverted and I guess have a little social anxiety. So, I've dealt with a lot of confusion about which was actually at play in certain situations, even before I knew I was autistic. The frustrating thing is that there were a lot of people around me growing up who would try to force me into stuff thinking that they were pushing me out of my "shell" while I actually really didn't want to do something. Especially stuff like dancing or parties. They'd try to forcefully pull me onto the dance floor, but I neither know how to dance, feel terrified at the idea of drawing that much attention to myself and don't even want to do it either. It's honestly really fun to watch other people dancing, preferably while someone hangs out with me occasionally without judging what I enjoy doing. Unfortunately, people take one look at me hanging out on the sidelines of a party and think I'm sad and then feel the need to go "help me".
I think you’re absolutely right, I have social anxiety fro as long as I can remember, and I can relate to almost all explanations that you’ve given it, although I wonder if I’m introverted also or if I just prefer to be alone because social interactions give me positive punishments.
I’m an introverted and actually have social anxiety and I do feel tired after socializing and I’m scared of judgment in big groups but when I’m with someone I’m close with I actually feel like I don’t have problems being judged. I couldn’t buy a water bottle in 9th grade and I’m now a tutor in my university and I’m the leader of the team/class 😊
Just realized why I always had friends like Wednesday when I was growing up. Like you said if people are judging them then they are not judging me. I am introverted with severe anxiety so it makes sense now. Thank you!
I relate to Wednesday on so many levels. I'll tell you this right now. She may not care what people think of HER, but mess with her friends/family and it's going to cost a nut. Literally did in the first episode. That's exactly how I was in High School as well. Didn't care what anyone thought of me, but I started fights over any slights directed at my friends. I'm also very introverted and a bit sociopathic like her as well. I don't view the entire world as an enemy or have a "kill or be killed" mentality, but those aren't exactly alien thoughts to me and I could easily see myself having them if I had suffered the same tragic loss of a pet at the hands of some punks who didn't understand why I loved said pet. I know I have emotions but I just don't bother with them most of the time.
I’m so happy I found your channel. I enjoy watching your videos so much and they help me to understand myself and become better. I’m Russian, so it also helps me to improve my English)) Thank you!!!
I have a lot of anxiety disorders, generalized anxiety disorder, social anxiety, and agoraphobia. I always feel like the more i show of myself in group settings, especially with more than a few people, that i would just be annoying, and no one would want to hear what i have to say. So i just stayed to myself, and tried to engage as little as possible. But then i would usually get judged as being weird because i don't talk. I've thought for a while that im actually autistic but it wasn't ever diagnosed. I've read through the symptoms and im like that would explain a lot. Like why i always tried to fit in, but always got picked on for being different.
I watched this with someone else and I fudged up my words, I said to them "but you do care" when my thoughts process should've actually been expressed as "she may not care about others thoughts of what makes her who she is, but she is empathetic".
The thing you say about her dancing shielding the tribe from judgement is something I have experienced a few times. Simply put, I love to dance and I'm neither conventionally attractive nor knowledgeable about the way people are supposed to dance. I like to dance myself into an almost trance-like state where I feel like a puppet to the music, and I typically stop only when my body absolutely gives out. And people seem to really like seeing the enthusiasm, I guess. I've had so many people come to me between songs to tell me they love what I'm doing and that they could never do that because they're too afraid to dance. So we generally ended up forming a dance circle (that I generally escaped after a while, it was too social - but they kept going). A few times I met this woman with some manner of disability that seemed to impact the way she moved. She was very insecure about it and terrified of dancing, even if she wanted to. And I got her to dance, she was so happy, and after a few times, I saw her dancing even before I got there. I really liked that aspect of social events. The flip side is that I've been the first and only one on the dancefloor for extended periods at times. I'm not good at reading the room and I thought people will join up in a song or two, and then I kind of forgot to care. I really miss it, the isolation of the recent years did a bit of a number on me and my tolerance for crowds as well as cooled most of my contacts that generally let me know that there was stuff happening. I'm really struggling to jump back in. I also had similar things happen to me with swimming. I'm pretty much a water baby and I get very enthusiastic. I generally wear bikinis because you don't get supportive bras in one-pieces, besides, it's uncomfortable when they get wet. But there's no denying that I'm a plus-sized person. I've had women come to me on several occasions to talk about the insecurities that were keeping them from putting on swimsuits and having fun with the rest of their families. I was pleased to see that they did just that before I left. In general, I'm a very timid person and I'm insecure about a million and a half things about myself. But I'd rather cut my arm off than let that stand between me and the things I enjoy. I'm also really bad at noticing disapproval until people shout (a properly double-edged sword). I'm autistic, BTW.
Just on the topic of extro- vs introvert, the majority of folks are ambiverts and again fall on the spectrum and can vary from each day. So for me after working 6 evenings in a row in retail, i need 1-2 days to recharge my social batteries. However, if i go 2-3 days without talking or hanging out with folks my mood will go more sour. Add a pinch of anxiety and it's all really great (being shoved into retail work has helped some though, so that's fun)
Very smart and clever video analysis but I ADORE how you do character cosplay in your videos, I love thiis channel. I recently realized that I am introvert with very good masking as an extravert from an early age
Thank you for talking about introversion, extroversion, and social anxiety. I’m…kinda sick of people having this assumption that “extroverts can’t have social anxiety!” (We can!! And it’s debilitating! It’s this “do I go out and try to fill my extrovert batteries and HOPE it’s Good, or do I just stay home and drained but at least I’m not getting even MORE anxious?? Aaaagh!!” (…I’ve described it as trying to fill a leaky bucket; the water keeps draining out but some will still be held…for a time. And if the flow can keep up. BUT a BAD interactions stabs in Even MORE Holes i to the ol’ “Extroversion Energy Needs” bucket.)
You can see the Influence from the 60s Addams show. by 2:37 its the Dance Wednesday did back then, and you can see these flamenco influence that Mortica and Gomez loved.
This whole scene made me get more into the goth subculture. The dancing she did is a huge nod to them, and well, not surprising because Wednesday and her family are goths. It also made me think "oh wait. That's how I want to dance. I don't want to do anything that requires too much thinking. I just want to flow with the song and let it possess me." Goth dances are PERFECT for that. I find it very relaxing while also expressing myself.
That really explains me alot, i always believed i was ambiverted but when i did a personality test multiple times in rows i got “introvert”. I like interacting and being social like how extroverts do but i dont get any more energetic, instead at the end of the meetings i get exhausted and wouldnt go out in another week.
Since you were speaking of Social Anxiety and overcoming it, I had heard of a strategy (I can't remember where) and wondered what you thought of it. This person stated that neurologically - strictly in terms of which neurons are firing - anxiety and excitement are actually the same thing, so one way to lessen or overcome your anxiety is to ask yourself what it is specifically that you're anxious about and try to get excited about it instead. So, for instance, if I'm feeling anxious about being Dungeon Master at my D&D group one night, I can work to reframe it and try to feel excited about sharing something fun with my friends. I've tried it myself, but it is definitely not easy.
She is the daughter of Gomez. No shame or embarrassment while dancing is practically genetic in her case.
😂
Honestly though!
What I love about that comparison too is that the iconic dance from the movie Gomez and Morticia has is VERY physical because both in the relationship understand their love language is physical.
Wednesday’s love language however is very much not physical so her “romantic” dance is way more distant from the dance partner but it’s clear the WHOLE time that she is still including him in the dance even if she’s a distant person physically.
Wednesday's dance is iconic, but IMO, part of the reason it slays so hard is the expression on her face as she's dancing. It's very intense, but at the same time aloof, and just above everything that's going on around her.
The expression on her face? She only have one expression
The shoulder tap
@@TiffanyNg100 shes acting like she would have expressions
It’s because she had Covid probably
The best thing about her breaking out into dance is that I didn't expect her to do it. It was a pleasant surprise in my opinion. I definitely like her style.
Fun fact: Jenna actually choreographed this dance herself. It adds a whole new level of charm to the whole scene, imo.
She is wonderful
Yes, but in one interview she said that watched videos of Siouxsie Sioux, Lena Lovich, and general 80's goth dancing for inspiration. I laughed when she referred to "back and forth dancing" which we used to call the gothic two step.
Crazier than that, she mentioned she would be happy to choreograph it, forgot about it and then two days before the scene she remembered she was going to do that and spent the next two days sleeplessly researching and arranging it. Just powered through it last minute.
Really loved Jenna’s character and portrayal of Ellie in You! I’m sure everyone did though lol
@@nickb6425 She was Ellie too? I didn't knew that. She makes a really good Job and because of that, I didn't noticed it was the same person. Wow!
There are actors who play every charactere so similar, I see them and know "That's this actor", but in her case I thought the whole time I never saw her.
"There's a difference in social anxiety, fear of judgement from others and being introverted where you don't really get energy from hanging around other people in fact it's kind of exhausting."
THANK YOU. As someone who suffers from social anxiety, AND is naturally introverted, a lot of the time, even with family, people just always go "you need to socialize more." without even realizing, I'm HAPPY being on my own. There are so many times when it comes to the holidays where I just need to go off on my own for a bit, and I just wish family would understand, that it isn't to offend them, it's just I need to recharge for a bit.
Youre welcome = ) happy it helped state something often overlooked
My mom says I need to go out and socialize, she says its not healthy to just be on my own and that all I do is school, work, chores and video games.
Same! One of my theories is that I developed social anxiety because my family couldn't accept me being introverted and critisized me for being the way I am. I'm totally fine on my own, I only get anxious about stuff related to others. I also enjoy social gatherings or activities sometimes, I just get exhausted fast. Most of the time people judge others for leaving early, so I'd rather not join at all than being shamed for leaving after one or two hours. I was actually happiest when I studied abroad and was given the opportunity to join and leave social events on my own timeline without people judging me. People were happy I joined them, even if it was just for an hour. I wish the society I live in would adopt this attitude because it'd make life a lot easier and more enjoyable for me :)
Yes, same! I also feel this pressure at work. I wish people understood how important it is for me to decompress in silence during lunch. It makes my day so much more stressful and exhausting needing to push myself to socialize off the clock. I’m interacting with people all day, let me have my 30 minutes in peace!
most people simply cannot understand that what makes them feel good, has the opposite effect for an introvert. since my family didn't get it, I pulled away, until we hardly knew each other. now, I have no ties, and every day brings me the comfort I enjoy
I love how Jenna Ortega's Wednesday Addams was able to incorporate the original black and white Wednesday Addams dance in with hers I don't know if you noticed it but before she does her little Maraca hand dance, while the camera is zoomed out slightly showing her and Tyler you can see her doing a little shimmy thing as her hand slowly sway back and forth.
I just noticed it while watching this video
I missed it
Frr
I'm a rare extroverted autistic person, and omg, that dilemma of "is it introversion or social anxiety" has plagued me for decades. I wish I'd had someone like you to explain it to me when I was young. I could have been spared 20 years of bs
I'm praying for you, whoever you are. 🙏🏻
I sense your pain ❤
I'm also an extroverted autistic person, but I can honestly say that I don't experience social anxiety the way other people describe it. I genuinely forget that other people have thoughts and opinions about me, and that I should care what those are. I do, however, like when others treat me well, and I know that the best way to get that treatment is to be pleasant and respectful towards them. On a possibly related note, I also cannot conceive of stage fright -- I literally cannot understand why people get so worked up and scared about speaking to or performing for groups of people.
I don’t have autism but I have bad social anxiety but I am extroverted af. Once I’m comfortable I can vibe with everyone
So, as you're saying here, Wednesday probably is an introvert. The mindset of "I'd rather be back in my dorm doing what I want to do." Because, originally, before she went to this dance, she was just sitting in her room working on her novel. She had NO INTEREST in going to the dance. Until both Thing and Tyler kind of forced her as a way to get out of her comfort zone.
But then she took the dance as an opportunity. Basically thinking, "If these people think I'm weird, let's give them weird. I don't care." And we get this absolutely beautiful, but, for most people looking at it, weird dance that actually kind of just... Encapsulates Wednesday as a person. She IS an outcast, even among other outcasts. She goes away from the herd. She is the black sheep. And she is completely fine with that, displayed by the dance she does. As you say she's "dancing like nobody's watching"; She is showing her truest self, and if people don't like it? In her mind, that's their problem. Not hers.
A big theme in Wednesday as a show is Identity. Wednesday, the character, shows that, even with the desire to fit in so high around her in a school setting, that the best outcome for her is to keep her sense of self.
Yes beautiful synopsis
Yes, but you can also see how she’s often surrounded by people who like her or love her and she pushes them away to play into her “outcast among outcasts” narrative.
One thing I noted about the part of the dance that is your favorite part: Wednesday's movement (moving horizontally, swinging her elbows) could be interpreted as a purposeful act to both force those around her to pay attention to her, while simultaneously forcing them to move out of her way to avoid being potentially elbowed in the face. A way for her to say, "I'm here, and I'm going to do what I want, you had best move out of my way if you don't want to get injured."
I haven’t looked at it in that perspective, Yes it could be. Fitting for her also
That's rlly genius woah
She effectively takes possession of physical and social space. She is actually very dominant.
Spot on great analysis! It’s true lol I do the exact same thing when I go clubbing.
@@geoffreyharris5931 she's dominant? mommy.
I knew you were going to do this scene and I'm here for it! Shoutout to Jenna Ortega. She kills it in this role.
She is a wonderful actress
Um it’s Jenna ortaega❤
@@sophialeemirandaakaprincess I got it, I got it. :D
@@jeremybowser7690 thank u haha
Love that you covered this dance sequence, I have an INTP personality type and have a lot social anxiety, especially around crowds and fireworks, but I dance with the confidence of a drunk king, so for me, the scene was incredibly accurate to how I feel around most people. So thank you once again for covering these topics.
That’s wonderful, so you relate to some of Weds traits : ). Keep dancing
Same. I have GAD and am pretty introverted, so I'm happy this scene was covered. Though, I still don't dance and I absolutely hate parties and being around people; I only dance if I'm truly alone, because it's still too much for me in a crowded place or even a place with just a few people. lol Glad you dance though. Sounds like a good time!
I am INTP but i hate dancing so i dont 😂 and then ppl tell me to “open up” and im like *bitch i will close myself if i dance*
I'm introvert also but I'm so confused if I have social anxiety or laziness 😅
For me dancing normally is more stressing than doing some goofy ass dance, because everyone sees that I'm just doing it for fun. On The other hand, when I try to dance "seriously" (if it's even possible) I get anxious bc I feel like my skills are being judged and the last thing I wanna come off as is incompetent
Yeah, whenever I want to do something I'm not confident in, I just do it really badly to hide how terrible I actually am at it.
I just find dancing incredibly weird. To me, there is no difference between what Wednesday did in this and a professional dancer. It's all just weird flailing your body and / or limbs around to music.
@@zhain0 this! I have similar observations. I'd say professional dancing is dancing in a way that's more appealing to avg receiver, striving for perfection, emotions (like in acting) and relationship with the craft. For most people dancing is just fun activity/a way to express themselves, so as long as you're enjoying yourself you're doing it correctly.
It's the reason I rarely did performances back when I took dance classes. Making a mistake in class was one thing, messing up the choreography in public was a risk I wasn't willing to take.
Finally someone gets it...
Introvert doesn't necessarily comes with social anxiety...
I am an Introverted, i have my own way expressing. This include dancing in public by my own choice if i am feeling euphoric. Wednesday know who she is, and as the movie said, she never let anyone influence her!
I have my own share of social anxiety, but my case only limited to the bubble that knows me and i need to interact with them. If it's public, i usually only about their personal space, and the rest is party in my own bubble!
Also, introverted does not mean you are always quiet and can not enjoy socialising, you absolutly can, you can be the life of a party if you feel up to it just not often and not long for it is endlessly draining.
I love both of these explanations because this is me to the T. and I love that you both get it. Zero social anxiety but major introvert life of the party but I can’t do it often or I’m drained for days and want nothing to do with humans. Most people really don’t get it.
Her "I dont give a F about you" attitude is also what makes her badass on top of everything else, which also makes viewers drawn to her because many of us, deep down, care what others think to some degree, no matter how much we deny it, and seeing someone able to genuinely achieve that is have respect towards her
This is probably the best therapy session i had about my social anxiety. I had 9 years of therapy
Hearing you explain how her dance shields everyone else makes sense. It is on par for her character. The entire series, she took it on herself to be the protector. She protected her brother, her friends, and the school.
On another note, at my senior prom, nobody was dancing. My date and I were the first ones to go on the dance floor. Once out there, people started dancing.
A thing I noticed about Wednesday's dance movements is not only are they sharp and dramatic, but she takes advantage of the space around her and uses it to the max so she really is fully expressing herself in it.
i’d love to see more wednesday videos if possible!
Enid is next
@@GeorgiaDow that’ll be a good one
It was so cool to see the little pieces of Wednesday’s personality mixed into the dance. The spooky elements really tied the bow onto the scene imo. Especially loved the head tilt and movement that was reminiscent of an animated porcelain doll.
This gives me something to think about.
Since I've always struggled socially, I had close friends that assumed I was introverted & even autistic.
But I actually feed off social energy. I love dance performance & I feel high-on-life after leaving anime cons.
I just have social anxiety, trauma & social ignorance.
I had to learn how to express myself & connect with others.. being unable to made me fearful, confused & socially exhausted.
Still not sure where at on the extroverted & introverted scale I sit. But this talk makes me feel like I'm far more extroverted than I thought & social anxiety was holding me back.
Wonderful I hope you find your balance and where you are comfortable and deal with the anxiety which is holding you back
I have an INTJ personality and it was hard for me to relate with most of the characters shown in media, but Wednesday was the few that I saw myself in.
Like how she doesn’t adjust to collective social expectations, is offbeat, enjoys solitude, and is flawed but ambitious, caring and pursues interest that often come with the price of loneliness.
Before I watched Wednesday, my only hope was to see how her personal heroism, morbidity, and philosophy could adapt to the modern world- the show had exceeded my expectations!
I also can say now that I can make the excuse of not having rhythm by calling it a “Wednesday dance” lol
Am an INT/FJ and have rhythm and perfect pitch.
As a woman on the spectrum who likes dancing, I just love the dance scene. Like, living in a suburban-esque area, I constantly need to wear headphones and listen to music to deal with the sensory overstimulation and stress that city life and living in an area surrounding big cities creates. But with my love for dancing, it's hard not to just burst out dancing on the sidewalks and I often still end up doing a dance move or two when walking around the city. It's like facing a 'Try not to sing or dance' challenge every time I go out. As difficult as I find being in a crowd, I generally don't give a fuck about what I do or what I wear. I'm that rare soul who dances in bathrobes at stoplights, and its why people consider me one of the town crazies (it actually happened twice, that I forgot to bring a jacket, it got cold so I bought myself a new bathrobe each time to keep me warm and wore them as coats instead. I told my mom when she made a remark about it, "So what if they're all looking, I bet those pussies would kill for my confidence.")
I love Wednesday's dance. I just feel it really works for the character! She’s practically dead with the way she moves, but with this blank, expressionless face and it’s just so Wednesday! I don’t think any other character could pull this dance off.
One thing that probably helps wednesday to not care is that she is already seen as the weirdo, and no matter what she does this label follows her. Having been in this situation, I can tell you it's much easier to let loose and do as you please because you don't have much to lose. When you're already cast aside from the group and they made it clear you were never gonna fit in, you might as well have fun in your own way and be your most splendid self!
Yes. Some of us are incorrigibly weird and also offensive.
Would love to see a video on the relationship that built over the season between Wednesday and Enid.
Love your videos on this series. Your first one actually made me immediately start watching it! I find your thoughts on social anxiety vs introversion quite interesting. It actually helps me see more into the lives of my husband and metamours as they are all introverts who have social anxiety to varying degrees whereas I am simply a regular introvert with dancing being my only big social weakness.
Happy you find them helpful and applicable to your daily life that is what I hope to do : )
I want to say this video needed to be made. I see many people online referring to themselves as introverts but they describe it more like anxiety. I call it wanting to sit at the cool kids table. I believe videos like this can help people understand the differences and get the proper help.
I would love to hear your take on people saying Wednesday is autistic coded. Love ur videos! ❤
she's not autistic, she's a character from the realm of the macabre
@@J4ckCr0w It's honestly annoying that people keep trying to label a character as autistic, when they probably aren't. People just love to boldly diagnose everything these days.
I think ppl are trying to understand why it is that Wednesday doesn’t seem to understand social cues.
@@ReptilianTeaDrinker I also don't see why it is relevant. It's not like it changes something about someone.
@@kerrissedai6857 She doesn't 'not understand' social cues. She just doesn't care about them. She 100% understands them, because she purposefully uses them to make people feel uncomfortable.
"Let me know how you are on the dance floor". Ooh, you asked the right question.
I am always in my head. Logic used to reign supreme, at the cost of dulled emotions. I could hear the music, and even want to dance, but I couldn't FEEL it. In the last year, I've done a lot of growing. My friend had a wedding last year, and his sister was paired with me among the wedding party. She is an extreme introvert, but absolutely loves dancing. When the dance floor opened, I was contented to sit aside like usual. But she came over with the biggest smile, leaned forward and offered me her hand, "Come dance with me!". I've observed many dances, trying to memorize them. But I have no muscle memory and still can't feel the music like others can. But I'm getting closer. That moment was amazing, and I danced with her joyfully. She gave me lessons in my apartment, and we have danced a few times since. Those siblings are the best friends I've ever had, and are a big part of why I'm able to express and experience my emotions to the degree I can today.
Oh how wonderful ! Yes that feeling and learning to let go. I hope you keep dancing and sharing those moments with those who you care for. Appreciate you sharing your story
I go to nightclubs pretty often so this whole Wednesday dance going around and this video about social anxiety and introversion and extroversion really hits home with me. It’s weird sometimes going out to the dance floor to dance. I’m usually a pretty serious person so it’s hard for me to let loose sometimes. I get social anxiety sometimes but it usually goes away pretty quickly. I’m introverted and extroverted. Because I do like my alone time and people can be really draining but I’m also extroverted because I do love people and large groups of people and being in large groups and partying with lots of people. I guess I have only a small amount of social anxiety and I’m an introvert who wants to be more extroverted.
I hope you dance more and keep going out of your comfort zone. Thank you for sharing
Perfect analysis. I'm a teacher who loves public speaking, but I'm an introvert so it's exhausting even though I love it. :)
I am both introverted and have a good dose of social anxiety. Most of my issues are with chaotic social environments such as crowds or dinner parties where everyone is competing to talk. One would even think I was extraverted if there were talking to me one on one or in a structured social setting such as a classroom where I have always been an active participant even more so than many so-called extroverts. But I know I am a natural introvert because I spend most of my time alone and like it that way. I tend to get irritated when other people disturb whatever solo activity I'm engaged with.
Funny story: I am kind of a good dancer and at one point in my life this was basically my job, I just had to be the first to go in the dancefloor to make it easier for the „normale“ guests to join in and let loose. So more often than not I just danced really silly and just like whatever I was in the mood for and I even got payed for it - best job ever 😁
whats that job called? where di you get a job like that it sounds so interesting
@@breesnutz honestly don’t know if that job has a name 🤷♀️ we called it „ice breaker“ but I doubt that that’s official. I got it by chance honestly, we were hired as dancers for a show and I was approached afterwards and offered said job. Sorry I know that’s not really helpful 😅
I really need a good therapist like you. You are so caring and understanding 💕
Georgia! Georgia! Georgia! Georgia! You gave me my Christmas present early!!!! YOU DANCING the Wednesday DANCE!!!! GOING TO WATCH THIS ON REPEAT. For days. And days. = ) And you covered these topics in an easily digestible, understandable way! My favorite part was the same as yours...elbows up and side to side head movement. Jenna Ortega choreographed this herself the night before they shot it. And absolutely LOVE the cosplay. (Still vote for a peek inside your closet. = ) Typically, I don't get energy from being social. I give it. Making sure everybody has a fun time and no one is left out. When dancing, I'm the one who makes it okay for others to loosen up and have fun! Annnd THANK-YOU FOR THIS!!!! YOU made my millennium!
Aww thank you CL !!! Too kind : )
My dad was extroverted and always accused anyone who was not extroverted of being mentally ill, needing treatment to get them to be the "right" way. I have gotten that signal from a lot of other extroverts as well.
I have social anxiety. It sucks especially when in these kinds of public settings. Not gonna lie, there’s some envy.
I hope you work to get over it
@@GeorgiaDow Thanks. I'm trying my best. Therapy has helped a little bit.
@@hermunkulus Rooting for you. I'm in the same boat, but it has gotten a lot better during the last months.
I love how she also engages with Tyler in her own way during the dance( ie, shoulder tap and eye contact probably more), it’s so cute!
That point about being able to overcome social anxiety is so true! I have always struggled with what people would call “shyness”. In reality it was probably mild-moderate social anxiety. After covid it became near crippling for a while. But I aspire to be a lawyer, and that involves social contact and maintaining connections. So I started to make myself talk to people outside my friend group again. Mainly waiters at restaurants and cashiers at stores- just a bit of small talk, even ordering was difficult. But it takes practice. Now I’m literally the most outgoing and confident person out of my friends. I order for them when we go out, pay for them at stores, ask for help. I encourage them to do it themselves of course, but when they can’t- I do. It’s fun!
I always find the depth of your wardrobe impressive. I mean, for what reason would you ever have a dress like that? haha.
Wednesday admitting that it might be benificial to care a bit more about social norms than she does is a big deal. She is identifying a possible personality flaw. Always a good step forward in improving on said flaws. Also this clips are rather good. My wife said the show was better than the trailer made it seem to be. I might have to give it a watch.
I went out bargain shopping for the dress it’s a true Frankenstein dress as it’s three pieces put together as one. Makes me happy you appreciate the work into the mild cosplays
@@GeorgiaDowI appreciate it also!!!... As a cosplayer, dancer/musician & omnivert/ambivert ? 🤷🏽♀️ (I get them confused ...as I get a boost when I go out & perform, but have a tough time forcing myself to go out from the quiet safety of home for fear of being judged/rejected though I know I will have fun once I am there!). My therapist / Dr thinks 🤔 it's anxiety & I'm like = Nah, I don't FEEL nervous but do have a lotta PTSD so maybe it's true?!
I'm today years old when I heard the difference between social anxiety and being introverted... I've been backing away from interacting with people and from social media for a while, that I thought it's an introvert thing to do. But now watching this video, it's maybe, partially, something more to do with social anxiety. I haven't got the chance to get help from a professional mental health provider, but knowing what I might have going on definitely gives some clear, distinct thoughts to consider. I hope someday I can be as confident and sure as myself as Wednesday. Absolute icon.
So much of the arc of my life has been defined by how I learned to (and continue to learn to) overcome social anxiety.
Last night, my wife and I attended a dance party (in Houston, TX). I was wearing one of my kilts. I was the only person wearing a kilt … and only *one* other person at the party had *ever* worn a kilt (my father-in-law).
Not giving a rat's +++ is a learned skill, and it gets far easier with age and practice. But like all skills, it takes practice. I've been dancing for a long time. I've lost track of the number of times that other, newer dancers have told me, "I wish that I could dance like you, but I'm afraid that I'll look like a fool." My response has remained consistent: "That's what is holding you back. I *bombed* every single one of my best moves *50 times on the dance floor* before I got them right."
Learning to succeed includes a whole lot of failing. If you can get comfortable with failing in public, you'll learn much faster.
Very well said and congrats for dancing and kilting = ) the master vs the learner for sure. Failing is how we learn. thanks for sharing
This actually made me finally realize that I'm more extraverted than I thought I was!
It was always the social anxiety that made me ask and converse less with people. But now that I am in the process getting over my social anxiety really well I am so much more social!
What I love most about this is that there was a split second tribute to the Wednesday dance in the 1960s series
Yes ! So great to pay tribute to the past. Very thoughtful
@@GeorgiaDow also I can't believe that a therapist's evaluation of a character like Wednesday Addams is what I need to be listening to right now. It's really interesting to hear that introversion and social anxiety aren't necessarily connected, and I'm starting to question if I'm truly introverted or if I have social anxiety instead.
I hope you find where you are and if social anxiety work on shedding those fears. You’ll be happier and more true to who you are if so
It's also important to be aware of the spectrum. For example, I'm an Extroverted Introvert. I can feed off of the positive energy of others but only to a certain extent. Social energy provides a temporary boost, whereas energy that I gain from being in a quiet spot for a while provides long term energy. This is also linked to my ADHD. One of my traits is that I have a limiter on how much I can interact before my brain begins to shut down socially and I begin to prefer being alone or even just spectating.
The small homage to the Gomez and Morticia dance was awesome. Great analysis.
The thing I didn’t realize until I took a social skills class is that your perception of your own introversion/extroversion can be affected by those skills. I knew I had social anxiety and enjoyed independent cerebral pursuits, so I always thought I was a definite introvert. What I didn’t realize is how much your wanting to be around other people is affected by how well those interactions typically go. When things go smoothly, and you’re able to steer conversation towards topics about which you’re both passionate (or even just enjoy a comfortable silence without pressure), and you’re able to joke and create fun times for everyone, and you feel respected and valued and included, it can affect how much energy you get from being with others. I’m at the point now where I consider myself more of an ambivert.
I'm glad you explained the difference between social anxiety and introversion. I spent a long time not realizing that my "introversion" was actually social anxiety but once I did, it really helped me.
love it! that scene is iconic, I hate dancing, but I felt like dancing while watching the scene because she is so contagious. I thought having social anxiety and being an introvert went hand in hand, thanks for clarifying the differences. I love your videos and seeing that maybe your outfit at the end was Enid's makes me very happy, because i want more.
I'm introverted and act like I have no shame like wednesday, but deep down I get soooo embarassed and feel a bit of social anxiety. The positive thing is that people like me because of my "lack" of shame and I get happy because of that and get to be my true crazy self, but yes social interactions also saps the energy out of me.
Also don't forget: You could also _not_ want to dance at all yet feel obligated to because others judge you if you don't. That's my experience at least. I did not think much about dancing, then people started throwing it on me and basically trying to force me to dance. The more I said "No thank you, I don't like it" the more insistent and judgy they became. And now I actively _dislike_ dancing as a result.
That applies to all activities in social events too. So if the answer to "what would _you_ be doing if you really didn't care" is "I wouldn't be doing any of this or even be here in the first place, I'd actually be enjoying myself if I wasn't here" that's okay too!
yes...react to the whole series plz
double cosplay...what a treat
Heheh = ) i guess you know whose video is coming up next now
Georgia, I'm really enjoying this more subject-based approach to this show as opposed to going character-by-character. Thank you for sharing your expertise! It's been super helpful ♥
I plan that most of the videos will be on a theme but sometimes ill go through a characters journey also = ) thanks
Being an introvert I feel her pain, Being around too many people is exhausting I don't care about being judge I'm just not a big fan of crowds.
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*Nods in complete agreement
As an introvert, I can visit only metal concerts and festivals, nobody cares how you "dance" there. 😀
Ayyy I wasn't expecting to see the Sasquatch guy dancing to Unstopable by Santigold, it's one of my fav videos on the net! I absolutely loved how you were dancing at times, couldn't stop giggling even after the video ended.
Great analysis, I think it's very important people finally realize the difference between introversion and social anxiety. "No, I'm not anxious, I just don't wanna be here and I'm already tired" is my motto for most social conventions.
I always loved dance as a way to break down social anxiety. There is an element of 'dancing like no one is watching' that can be defiant/defensive, but I found if you welcome/invite others to join (or at least are aware and respectful of others entering the dance space), it breaks a lot of ice and gives people an opening to be themselves.
I also liked how you said that dancing has no rules, which I think people can forget in an effort not to look silly. Dance is expressive, and it takes courage to express yourself anytime, but the lack of rules makes it both easier and harder.
Omg!! That Enid cosplay!!! So cuuuuute! I can't wait for her video 😻
you know the next video. = ))
I absolutely adore your dress! 😍 You've really outdone yourself.
Thanks I took a bit to put it together it is a mix of three dresses
@@GeorgiaDow I could not tell. And your hair is amazing as well!
Was lots of fun to do
love your analysis of this scene. best scene from season one. wednesday's level of awesome is off the charts here.
great scene = )
I'm glad you brought this up. I forced myself to be more extroverted. I don't know how much you put stock in MBTI, but I went from most of my teenage years and early 20s as being an ISTP, to an INTP around 30, to then becoming an ENFP at 33. I actively wanted to change my personality to the personality that I envisioned myself in my imagination. I've always been more extroverted in my head, despite being an introvert most of my life. Funny enough, I've noticed during covid a lot of people became more introverted, while I did the reverse.
Love how you always make an effort to have an outfit that matches the vibe of the character you’re discussing
Just you talking about getting over social anxiety makes me want to crawl under the desk. And I'm completely alone. 😅
I’m so happy for this show. Dr. Dow is the reason I want to become a therapist. More mental health please!
I wish you a wonderful time in your studies and one day for your practice. It is a wonderful field
@5:50 there is a great scene in an anime called, " Rascal Does Not Dream of Bunny Girl Senpai" in its final episode that really contagious this patient and execution.
For the main character helps his sister face the fear of going outside.
Btw you are very skilled at communicating relatable content. I'm glad I found your channel
I love how in every part of therapist reacts you always have a little cosplay for the character you're talking about
Thank you, I have passed this onto someone who has high social anxiety. ❤️
I consider myself an introvert but I remember being invited by university friends to a dance club and not finding the conversation fun so much I just went on the empty dance floor and started dancing. People did start to pile up.
Thank you for putting sponsors at the end
That "push em away" defence you mentioned reminds me on a Daria quote
"...and im so defended i actively make people dislike me so that i dont feel bad when they do."
its amazing that the Dance has become so loved and iconic
I have both social anxiety and introversion. Though because of the introversion, I tend to not want to socialize anyway. All I want is the care of what others think to go away to I can be in a little bubble peacefully while I go outside my house, since I get anxiety just from going out and getting gas, for example.
Honestly from just the few first words i finally understood what i am in like an extrovert or introvert.
I always thought i might be an introvert because i am kinda shy and have a hard time starting converstations but that couldnt be further from the truth. I am an extrovert i love being around people i love talking with people i love making friends i dont like being alone so honestly like thank you😂😂 and i really love the fact you poppped up on my suggestions because i do want to be a therapist and i am honestly learning so much just from watching yours videos
I decided about 20 years ago to not let other people decide how I feel. Not stuffing my emotions but actually not caring what other people think of me. As I got better at this I found I had set myself free. I was a lot that way before but would feel embarrassed when anyone said something negative to or about me. Now I truly don't care what someone else says. I just do my own things. If you don't like what I do, no one is paying you to watch me so. . . .
One major non negotiable rule. No One Gets Hurt, Ever!
First off, I love your videos.
It is true that Wednesday is an introvert but does not suffer from social anxiety, which is not like me, but I connected with the character in the way she handles relationships.
Wednesday seems to have several defense mechanisms put in place so she won’t get hurt. She preemptively rejects people so she won’t be at risk of rejection, she pushes people away so she won’t get hurt. She makes herself an extreme outcast just so people won’t judge her unique behavior and traits, which frankly she’s not that weird.
I was really sad that when she finally opened up to a love interest, she was betrayed. At least we saw her finally showing her true love for Enid. I wonder how it will play out in the next season.
Funny enough, this video 100% sold me on being an extrovert with social anxiety.
I'm introverted with a lot of social anxiety :D Most of the people I've spoken to think it's only social anxiety, so they are trying to make me do things I am not interested in doing even if I didn't have social anxiety and I don't know how to react to those things. :/ They keep telling me I need to leave the comfort of my own home where my cat and all my things are, to go outside to different venues where there's people, and be part of clubs and activities.
When I didn't have as much social anxiety I do now, I did all sorts of things I didn't even know were weird until friends told me that I'm 'so cool' for not caring about how weird something was. To me they were just practical and efficient ways and things
AND YEAH! GEORGIA! Do them dance moves! :D You rocking it you are! You are such a gem to watch and listen to
The note you had at 3:00 about how being your weird authentic self "protects" others and encourages them to open up more is literally why I continue to be who I am every day. I had some staff watching me dance in the aisle at the thrift store yesterday because the song had a swing dance rhythm and my body naturally moves to it. I cry easily and often, I'm openly vulberable and genuine to the point that people "get to know me" QUICKLY and are dumbfounded by how open I am. I love who I choose to be, and I keep meeting people who say I'm helping them be more expressive simply by being me. I like the idea of "protecting" them from the judgment of others since those others will judge me more harshly and idgaf if they do.
I’d love to see a reaction on the relationship between Wednesday and Enid!
Coming up soon I already shot one on Enid
I'm autistic, introverted and I guess have a little social anxiety. So, I've dealt with a lot of confusion about which was actually at play in certain situations, even before I knew I was autistic. The frustrating thing is that there were a lot of people around me growing up who would try to force me into stuff thinking that they were pushing me out of my "shell" while I actually really didn't want to do something. Especially stuff like dancing or parties. They'd try to forcefully pull me onto the dance floor, but I neither know how to dance, feel terrified at the idea of drawing that much attention to myself and don't even want to do it either.
It's honestly really fun to watch other people dancing, preferably while someone hangs out with me occasionally without judging what I enjoy doing. Unfortunately, people take one look at me hanging out on the sidelines of a party and think I'm sad and then feel the need to go "help me".
I think you’re absolutely right, I have social anxiety fro as long as I can remember, and I can relate to almost all explanations that you’ve given it, although I wonder if I’m introverted also or if I just prefer to be alone because social interactions give me positive punishments.
I’m an introverted and actually have social anxiety and I do feel tired after socializing and I’m scared of judgment in big groups but when I’m with someone I’m close with I actually feel like I don’t have problems being judged. I couldn’t buy a water bottle in 9th grade and I’m now a tutor in my university and I’m the leader of the team/class 😊
Hey congratulations, that's amazing!
@@peskycritter79 thx❤️
What did you do to overcome the fear?
Just realized why I always had friends like Wednesday when I was growing up. Like you said if people are judging them then they are not judging me. I am introverted with severe anxiety so it makes sense now. Thank you!
I relate to Wednesday on so many levels.
I'll tell you this right now. She may not care what people think of HER, but mess with her friends/family and it's going to cost a nut. Literally did in the first episode.
That's exactly how I was in High School as well. Didn't care what anyone thought of me, but I started fights over any slights directed at my friends. I'm also very introverted and a bit sociopathic like her as well. I don't view the entire world as an enemy or have a "kill or be killed" mentality, but those aren't exactly alien thoughts to me and I could easily see myself having them if I had suffered the same tragic loss of a pet at the hands of some punks who didn't understand why I loved said pet. I know I have emotions but I just don't bother with them most of the time.
It helps to recognize the differece between introversion and socal anxiety. I never thought of the two being separate entities.
thanks Cody = )
I was waiting for you to do a Wednesday video! Thank you!
more incoming
I’m so happy I found your channel. I enjoy watching your videos so much and they help me to understand myself and become better. I’m Russian, so it also helps me to improve my English))
Thank you!!!
I'm so glad!
Somehow, despite so many viewings of the scene, I hadn't clocked how she visibly encouraged others too to let loose. Thanks for the revelation :)
I have a lot of anxiety disorders, generalized anxiety disorder, social anxiety, and agoraphobia. I always feel like the more i show of myself in group settings, especially with more than a few people, that i would just be annoying, and no one would want to hear what i have to say. So i just stayed to myself, and tried to engage as little as possible. But then i would usually get judged as being weird because i don't talk. I've thought for a while that im actually autistic but it wasn't ever diagnosed. I've read through the symptoms and im like that would explain a lot. Like why i always tried to fit in, but always got picked on for being different.
I watched this with someone else and I fudged up my words, I said to them "but you do care" when my thoughts process should've actually been expressed as "she may not care about others thoughts of what makes her who she is, but she is empathetic".
The thing you say about her dancing shielding the tribe from judgement is something I have experienced a few times. Simply put, I love to dance and I'm neither conventionally attractive nor knowledgeable about the way people are supposed to dance. I like to dance myself into an almost trance-like state where I feel like a puppet to the music, and I typically stop only when my body absolutely gives out. And people seem to really like seeing the enthusiasm, I guess. I've had so many people come to me between songs to tell me they love what I'm doing and that they could never do that because they're too afraid to dance. So we generally ended up forming a dance circle (that I generally escaped after a while, it was too social - but they kept going). A few times I met this woman with some manner of disability that seemed to impact the way she moved. She was very insecure about it and terrified of dancing, even if she wanted to. And I got her to dance, she was so happy, and after a few times, I saw her dancing even before I got there. I really liked that aspect of social events. The flip side is that I've been the first and only one on the dancefloor for extended periods at times. I'm not good at reading the room and I thought people will join up in a song or two, and then I kind of forgot to care. I really miss it, the isolation of the recent years did a bit of a number on me and my tolerance for crowds as well as cooled most of my contacts that generally let me know that there was stuff happening. I'm really struggling to jump back in.
I also had similar things happen to me with swimming. I'm pretty much a water baby and I get very enthusiastic. I generally wear bikinis because you don't get supportive bras in one-pieces, besides, it's uncomfortable when they get wet. But there's no denying that I'm a plus-sized person. I've had women come to me on several occasions to talk about the insecurities that were keeping them from putting on swimsuits and having fun with the rest of their families. I was pleased to see that they did just that before I left.
In general, I'm a very timid person and I'm insecure about a million and a half things about myself. But I'd rather cut my arm off than let that stand between me and the things I enjoy. I'm also really bad at noticing disapproval until people shout (a properly double-edged sword). I'm autistic, BTW.
Just on the topic of extro- vs introvert, the majority of folks are ambiverts and again fall on the spectrum and can vary from each day.
So for me after working 6 evenings in a row in retail, i need 1-2 days to recharge my social batteries. However, if i go 2-3 days without talking or hanging out with folks my mood will go more sour. Add a pinch of anxiety and it's all really great (being shoved into retail work has helped some though, so that's fun)
Very smart and clever video analysis but I ADORE how you do character cosplay in your videos, I love thiis channel. I recently realized that I am introvert with very good masking as an extravert from an early age
this information makes my mind fly, seriously i am gonna practice to do things that i would like in public, thank u
Let us know how it goes! Be proud and small steps
Thank you for talking about introversion, extroversion, and social anxiety. I’m…kinda sick of people having this assumption that “extroverts can’t have social anxiety!”
(We can!! And it’s debilitating! It’s this “do I go out and try to fill my extrovert batteries and HOPE it’s Good, or do I just stay home and drained but at least I’m not getting even MORE anxious?? Aaaagh!!”
(…I’ve described it as trying to fill a leaky bucket; the water keeps draining out but some will still be held…for a time. And if the flow can keep up. BUT a BAD interactions stabs in Even MORE Holes i to the ol’ “Extroversion Energy Needs” bucket.)
You can see the Influence from the 60s Addams show. by 2:37 its the Dance Wednesday did back then, and you can see these flamenco influence that Mortica and Gomez loved.
I looove how her dancing reflects her character. She’s almost limp like a corpse but still very bold in her own way
This whole scene made me get more into the goth subculture. The dancing she did is a huge nod to them, and well, not surprising because Wednesday and her family are goths. It also made me think "oh wait. That's how I want to dance. I don't want to do anything that requires too much thinking. I just want to flow with the song and let it possess me." Goth dances are PERFECT for that. I find it very relaxing while also expressing myself.
That really explains me alot, i always believed i was ambiverted but when i did a personality test multiple times in rows i got “introvert”. I like interacting and being social like how extroverts do but i dont get any more energetic, instead at the end of the meetings i get exhausted and wouldnt go out in another week.
Can we talk about Georgia outfits. How she nail Enid outfit was 100 percent gorgeous!!!!!! And of course, the black dress, Amazing!!!
Aww thanks it’s nice those little additions are appreciated and noticed. I do place some time into them
Since you were speaking of Social Anxiety and overcoming it, I had heard of a strategy (I can't remember where) and wondered what you thought of it. This person stated that neurologically - strictly in terms of which neurons are firing - anxiety and excitement are actually the same thing, so one way to lessen or overcome your anxiety is to ask yourself what it is specifically that you're anxious about and try to get excited about it instead. So, for instance, if I'm feeling anxious about being Dungeon Master at my D&D group one night, I can work to reframe it and try to feel excited about sharing something fun with my friends. I've tried it myself, but it is definitely not easy.
very good technique yes that can work = )