Salut Bill, Je n’écris jamais sur internet... mais la je dois te remercier... grâce à ce vidéo, j'ai réussi à ouvrir mon 0881 en 5 min... je suis devenu extrêmement fier de moi. J'ai passé une merveilleuse journée et c'est en partie à cause de toi. Je te suis infiniment reconnaissant de ce que tu nous proposes toutes les semaines... et on peut que devenir meilleur avec toi. Merci Bill
Awesome, clear explanation, as always, Bill. Could you post some photos or a video of the internals of the one you took apart? This is a great example of a locking system that depends entirely on key control. You can't blame the military for destroying the keys!
Can i just say i love the people he knows? The guy drank all his beer and brought him a bucket of locks as trade. In another video he explained that he goes to a locksmith and buys them a pizza and they save him a bunch of locks for him to have.
"he drank all my beer and left" sounds familiar :D Again thank you for this great video mate! So this padlock is really just designed to withstand harsh weather conditions and easy to maintenance.
Please clarify- At 8:16 of the video you state where the rotation to the right (clockwise) stops is labeled 90 degrees.. Even the lock which is marked with degrees on it in which you bring up to the side of the lock you are working on, has 90 marked on it in the same position with 45 and 0 following.. At 10:34 of the video, you state the disc rotates past the 0 mark, and then at 10:45 you place the tension tool across the lock and call that position the 0 mark, which is the same location you labeled as the 90 degree mark at 8:16 of the video. Your article on Sargent & Greenleaf Model 0881 Environmental Padlock reads the position for "clarity" with the rotation of the cylinder rotated fully clockwise, is the 0 position. So, I'm confused at where to locate the disc regarding 0 and 90 degrees and the key code angles. Please clarify, and thanks for the great videos! God Bless, David B.
I work for a RR in Pennsylvania that uses these for switches and wondered if they could be picked as well, interesting to see the results. I will say on the note of durability that this past winter every time we used one it was a couple minutes heating it with a fusee to thaw them out so the key would turn. But I suppose that's also a statement for the durability since many of them have made it through several winters of freezing and getting blasted with fusees.
Dorsey, that video was posted months ago and the locks are long gone. Sorry. You can still find them on eBay though - much cheaper if they have no key. bill
Thanks for the video. I have one of these locks with a key. However, it’s a newer lock that’s marked on the side BN 12 44. Kinda contradicts what you say in the video. The cuts on the key are 0-45-0 or key 105 on your chart.
Sorry to say but they only started making these in the mid 90s I believe. They are the current high security lock on railroad switches. And the person whose video you took the screens (and key bitings)from is my friend "thedragonsmith1". IIRC the FBI/CIA was commissioned by the RR to make a new lock for them and they consulted Abloy and the first batches actually had Abloy made keys. The civilian version of this lock actually has more discs in it. If you want more info send me a PM.
Does anybody know how to take the brass that is holding the chain off? I don't have a chain on mine and would like to put one on and not tare up the brass trying to figure it out.
6:35 I once stumbled onto a template like that along with a video showing how to create your own keys from machining down a brass cylinder. Does anybody have a link? Our railroad is in short supply of 104 keys and NJ Transit is giving us the run-around, leaving us with conductors in the field short on keys. I opened my big mouth and told our mechanic about the template and how easy they were to create and now I can't find the friggen guide or demo video anywhere.
Ha, I have a thing for music lol. Sometimes I can't put my finger on it and it drives me nuts but I get it most times :P I appreciate that man, remember though... open is open!
bill i didnt see your email in the notes, i would like to try my hand at picking amd making a key for one of these. anything specific you are looking for to trade?
My co worker found a couple of locks like that , but it doesn't have that arrow on the bottom n does not have no stamped #s on top or the side . The shackle has stamped hardened on one side n made in the USA on the opposite side . think I have a knockoff . Bad part about it is that there's a bunch of brittle bits of plastic falling out of the key hole . I haven't been able to pick it . What do u think about this lock .
Hey Bill great video. I am currently trying to pick a 03 sargent & greenleaf enviromental padlock but I am having some difficulty. Your padlock was a 01 but you are using a 103 key # on your combinations diagram. Any reason why? I have been trying to use 103 combo but no luck yet!
+SuperSuperdude88 Although this is months late, maybe this helps - I think that the 03 key is really 45 0 45, 45 90 45 would really work out to being the same as 0 45 0, once the key was rotated, and would be non-retaining if the key was rotated counterclockwise 45 degrees. I looked at the valid key patterns, and it seems as they need at least one 0 degree cut. I could be wrong, but this seems like a good place to start.
But I still wonder if locks like the Anchor Las could also withstand these conditions, maybe not in such a extrem way but it would be interesting if you ask me. I would say H&K but Glock is also fine with me mate ;)
Would Greatly appreciate one of these locks, i have a great idea for picking them. If i get a lock and my video and idea turns out i will send you a link. Thank you Mr. Bosnianbill
LOL railroad still uses 101 and 102 keys and locks. I have them on my work ring. We have tons of keys. Old conrail locks are 102 keys and old B&O locks are 101. You can make a usable replacement with a cotter pin cut in the right places with the same diameter.
+TallifTallonbrook So these locks are still in use? I would have thought that with something like this they would have gone to some fancy electronic thing where you would know who opened the lock and when. Or maybe those fancy locks don't take kindly to being heated with a fusee in the middle of a cold winter night.
+Ted Park these locks are great and you can make a key from a large Kotter pin. They don't freeze up like the American ones we use. those suck. freeze, rust, and generally gunk up. the GLC locks are nice but they are ALL brass shackle and all.
That was one kickass fucking video bill. It's interesting that the driver disc is at a random position in the older ones, never knew that. The song at the start sounds familiar. Gouryella?
GOOD ear! I was actually hoping nobody would notice I ripped off the first 7 seconds... You should work for the music industry dude! BTW, I absolutely envy your calm picking technique demonstrated in your videos. Compared to you I look like a monkey killing something with a sharp stick.
As some others also mentioned, I am completely confused with what you called zero, fortyfive, and ninety degrees, as what you labled on the lock vs what you did to open the lock do not coincide. And your PDF doc is also counter to this video. Don't get me wrong, this is great work, but I have a 102, and I have yet to pick it open based on the articles and videos I've looked at.
Actually, a torch works nice, but it's a shame to melt such a handsome lock - the solid stainless steel ones, not the 1942 model made of whatever metal they could scrounge.
Salut Bill,
Je n’écris jamais sur internet... mais la je dois te remercier... grâce à ce vidéo, j'ai réussi à ouvrir mon 0881 en 5 min... je suis devenu extrêmement fier de moi. J'ai passé une merveilleuse journée et c'est en partie à cause de toi. Je te suis infiniment reconnaissant de ce que tu nous proposes toutes les semaines... et on peut que devenir meilleur avec toi. Merci Bill
I like watching this guy. He is easy to understand.
Awesome, clear explanation, as always, Bill.
Could you post some photos or a video of the internals of the one you took apart?
This is a great example of a locking system that depends entirely on key control. You can't blame the military for destroying the keys!
Thank you sir! I get so much off of your videos. Please keep them coming!
Can i just say i love the people he knows? The guy drank all his beer and brought him a bucket of locks as trade. In another video he explained that he goes to a locksmith and buys them a pizza and they save him a bunch of locks for him to have.
"he drank all my beer and left" sounds familiar :D
Again thank you for this great video mate! So this padlock is really just designed to withstand harsh weather conditions and easy to maintenance.
I can so tell you are an engineer in this Video. So logical and planned lol. Great stuff
Please clarify- At 8:16 of the video you state where the rotation to the right (clockwise) stops is labeled 90 degrees.. Even the lock which is marked with degrees on it in which you bring up to the side of the lock you are working on, has 90 marked on it in the same position with 45 and 0 following.. At 10:34 of the video, you state the disc rotates past the 0 mark, and then at 10:45 you place the tension tool across the lock and call that position the 0 mark, which is the same location you labeled as the 90 degree mark at 8:16 of the video. Your article on Sargent & Greenleaf
Model 0881 Environmental Padlock reads the position for "clarity" with the rotation of the cylinder rotated fully clockwise, is the 0 position. So, I'm confused at where to locate the disc regarding 0 and 90 degrees and the key code angles. Please clarify, and thanks for the great videos!
God Bless,
David B.
They use them as railroad switch locks too. I use to have a few with keys, I think the guy who was holding they tossed them
I think your English teacher tossed the manual out the window.
I work for a RR in Pennsylvania that uses these for switches and wondered if they could be picked as well, interesting to see the results. I will say on the note of durability that this past winter every time we used one it was a couple minutes heating it with a fusee to thaw them out so the key would turn. But I suppose that's also a statement for the durability since many of them have made it through several winters of freezing and getting blasted with fusees.
Union Pacific uses these for switches and derails.
Dorsey, that video was posted months ago and the locks are long gone. Sorry. You can still find them on eBay though - much cheaper if they have no key.
bill
Which code would I use for my 108. I saved your sheet but did not see a 108
Thanks for the video. I have one of these locks with a key. However, it’s a newer lock that’s marked on the side BN 12 44. Kinda contradicts what you say in the video. The cuts on the key are 0-45-0 or key 105 on your chart.
nm got her open! woo! took an hour or so
Sorry to say but they only started making these in the mid 90s I believe. They are the current high security lock on railroad switches. And the person whose video you took the screens (and key bitings)from is my friend "thedragonsmith1". IIRC the FBI/CIA was commissioned by the RR to make a new lock for them and they consulted Abloy and the first batches actually had Abloy made keys. The civilian version of this lock actually has more discs in it. If you want more info send me a PM.
Does anybody know how to take the brass that is holding the chain off? I don't have a chain on mine and would like to put one on and not tare up the brass trying to figure it out.
I looked on your website, and didn't see anything about getting a s&g enviro,entail lock. I'd like to get 1 someday to play with. Thx
6:35 I once stumbled onto a template like that along with a video showing how to create your own keys from machining down a brass cylinder. Does anybody have a link? Our railroad is in short supply of 104 keys and NJ Transit is giving us the run-around, leaving us with conductors in the field short on keys.
I opened my big mouth and told our mechanic about the template and how easy they were to create and now I can't find the friggen guide or demo video anywhere.
Here's the article I wrote. Send me a couple of keys when you're done! 😀 cdn.locklab.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/SG-0881-Article.pdf?x13003
Ha, I have a thing for music lol. Sometimes I can't put my finger on it and it drives me nuts but I get it most times :P
I appreciate that man, remember though... open is open!
There's no link Mr. Bill, and i know this is a older video, hoping you still have some locks available. thank you
Larry G 《 Thumper 》 NEED SOME of those???, HAVE A ton of them!
I have a S&G key that has 4 cuts and only a serial number any chance of getting a video on those?
bill i didnt see your email in the notes, i would like to try my hand at picking amd making a key for one of these. anything specific you are looking for to trade?
I was actually looking for some new locks to add to my collection too and i just happen to have a s&g enviro lock i am willing to trade
I just recently got into locks. And would love to find any kind . Do you have all kinds laying around? Thanks for your great posts and vids.
The 1 downvoter was uncle Sam. lol
My co worker found a couple of locks like that , but it doesn't have that arrow on the bottom n does not have no stamped #s on top or the side . The shackle has stamped hardened on one side n made in the USA on the opposite side . think I have a knockoff . Bad part about it is that there's a bunch of brittle bits of plastic falling out of the key hole . I haven't been able to pick it . What do u think about this lock .
Amtrak uses these as well.
This was an awesome video,thanks Bill
Hey Bill great video. I am currently trying to pick a 03 sargent & greenleaf enviromental padlock but I am having some difficulty. Your padlock was a 01 but you are using a 103 key # on your combinations diagram. Any reason why? I have been trying to use 103 combo but no luck yet!
+SuperSuperdude88 Although this is months late, maybe this helps - I think that the 03 key is really 45 0 45, 45 90 45 would really work out to being the same as 0 45 0, once the key was rotated, and would be non-retaining if the key was rotated counterclockwise 45 degrees. I looked at the valid key patterns, and it seems as they need at least one 0 degree cut. I could be wrong, but this seems like a good place to start.
While the first two locks are 101s, the lock picked for demonstration is a 103. This is all stated very clearly in the video.
Have you done the 951C? Thanks.
Do you have a extra 101 lock?
amazing video bill mate! thanks for sharing that with us. :)
Tough lock with seemingly simple core.
I can drink all your beer for a bucket of random locks? Done deal mate :D
But I still wonder if locks like the Anchor Las could also withstand these conditions, maybe not in such a extrem way but it would be interesting if you ask me. I would say H&K but Glock is also fine with me mate ;)
Little late to the party, but I would love to have a crack at one of those.
Would Greatly appreciate one of these locks, i have a great idea for picking them. If i get a lock and my video and idea turns out i will send you a link. Thank you Mr. Bosnianbill
Still looking for one?
@@bmtlocksport5587 I'm looking for one to pick on camera, would appreciate it 🔓
@@lockpickingnerd4853 i have 2 left i just dont have money for shipping at the moment and i can also make a key if needed
@@bmtlocksport5587 I'm ready to pay any expenses required. How can I contact you?
@@lockpickingnerd4853 brendon.tatman13@gmail.com shoot me an email and we'll go from there!
What are your thoughts about the S&G environmental locks. Are they over rated I work for a railroad that uses them?
+bosnianbill do you have any S&G locks to trade?
Absolutely overrated, takes seconds to pick... government and RR should find better...simple susie
LOL railroad still uses 101 and 102 keys and locks. I have them on my work ring. We have tons of keys. Old conrail locks are 102 keys and old B&O locks are 101. You can make a usable replacement with a cotter pin cut in the right places with the same diameter.
+TallifTallonbrook So these locks are still in use? I would have thought that with something like this they would have gone to some fancy electronic thing where you would know who opened the lock and when. Or maybe those fancy locks don't take kindly to being heated with a fusee in the middle of a cold winter night.
+Ted Park these locks are great and you can make a key from a large Kotter pin. They don't freeze up like the American ones we use. those suck. freeze, rust, and generally gunk up. the GLC locks are nice but they are ALL brass shackle and all.
Wolff,
I'm sorry but these were gone MONTHS ago. You can still find cheap ones on eBay without a key though, and simply make your own key.
Fantastic Video Bill great work. :D N.
That was one kickass fucking video bill. It's interesting that the driver disc is at a random position in the older ones, never knew that.
The song at the start sounds familiar. Gouryella?
very nice padlock
I have literally a cigar box full of Sergeant & Greenleaf 101,102,and 105's..brand new keys. .
I don't suppose you'd part with some of them, would you?...;) bosnianbill1 at gmail dot com
If you still have these, would you like to sell one? I have an obsession with collecting certain keys.
I would love to check out your ebay items if you are open to that! I am looking to adopt an S&G lock! :)
Sorry Joe, that video is several years old and I gave those away looonnnnggg ago. 😟
very good sir! :)
GOOD ear! I was actually hoping nobody would notice I ripped off the first 7 seconds... You should work for the music industry dude!
BTW, I absolutely envy your calm picking technique demonstrated in your videos. Compared to you I look like a monkey killing something with a sharp stick.
I have a s sargent and Greenleaf with a number two on the plug can you assist me I think I'm doing something wrong
About the only "interesting" lock I've got is a Mosler group 1R safe lock...not your usual fare but definitely interesting.
They all use X10 locks now, unpick-able.
I sure wish you had these to give away/trade ! Have a great retirement
As some others also mentioned, I am completely confused with what you called zero, fortyfive, and ninety degrees, as what you labled on the lock vs what you did to open the lock do not coincide. And your PDF doc is also counter to this video. Don't get me wrong, this is great work, but I have a 102, and I have yet to pick it open based on the articles and videos I've looked at.
Actually, the pics and stuff came from keypicking, not lp101
I want one Your the man bill
I'm not bragging but one of the easiest locks to pick.....common on RR switches....> 2min
You are so fuck n awsome dude. Awsome.
just got ur apology. thanks.
That's a pricey lock. But i guess you get what you pay for.
i want one
can i have one
If your average thief comes upon this lock he better have some C4 with him.....er uhh an angle grinder
Actually, a torch works nice, but it's a shame to melt such a handsome lock - the solid stainless steel ones, not the 1942 model made of whatever metal they could scrounge.
I hope the crooks dont see these videos, i use these locks.
boooo!