WHY NO Diesel or V6 GWM Tank 500 for Australia?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 มิ.ย. 2024
- We will get ONLY HEV Tank 500 in Australia, with NO Diesel or V6 Petrol engine options... Let's discuss - WHY this might be the case?
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Great Wall Motor appears to be following the path of the other Chinese brands on the Australian shores, investing in new energy vehicles and bringing in more EVs and PHEV Hybrid vehicles.
It's a little strange to see GWM Tank 500 only in Hybrid, as a heavy 7-seater SUV with very good off-road capabilities, but I think I know why...
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00:00 - Intro
01:00 - WHY NO DIESEL Tank 500
07:00 - Final thoughts
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It might just be, as you stated, these Chinese brands don't wish to overlap their products with the established Japanese manufactures in Aust. But for the likes of GWM, they have a diesel already here, so why not at least make it a special order option for the Tank variants.
It could also be they are keeping an eye on the expected Ute tax which will impact prices of SUVs from 2025. When this comes into effect the Tank500 might be a lot more price competitive.
I agree, they could have allowed for "special orders", absolutely. But as a mainstream rollout of a model in AU, their decision is clearly to stay out of Toyota's way (even if their vehicle looks like one of Toyota's...) and align with AU Govt directive towards alternative fuels.
A choice between: Give the people what they want or give the people that which the Government want the people to have.
Why didn't they bring in the awesome phev version! 110km as an EV for around town etc... Missed opportunity
I guess it would be here when Toyota release their 2.4HEV Prado…
I think this might be a PHEV version but I could be wrong - might just be a HEV.
@@ValueCarsAU not PHEV, or Hi4-T
As an ex Toyota Manufacturing Manager the answer is very complex that most won’t actually know the reasons. But it will all make sense in the end and China are being very smart about this as per each car manufacturer around the globe. It simply comes down to the ever increasing emissions standards. Each combustion camber (cylinder) has an amount of emissions that can only be reduced to a point. A point we are currently at. Meaning, a simple and cheaper way is to reduce the number of cylinders and boost power with turbochargers and/or batteries. Think about AMG dropping V-6 and V-8 engines, America dropping most of their V-8 engines. If you simply half the number of cylinders you automatically half the numbers of the baseline emissions. Nothing to do with any consumer, nor car manufacturers, as it all comes down to creating greener engines that will pass emissions tests.
Very interesting and certainly sounds like this might be the real underlying cause, but I guess we'll never know for sure - because no one will officially tell us.
So this is foreshadowing what all manufacturers selling in Australia will move to. Maybe my diesel jackaroo will appreciate in time as diesels become rare?
@@BenMitro Not foreshadowing, it’s been happening for some time now. Take motorbikes as another example. Why do you think the inline 4’s are being replaced with 270 degree twins? Halves the emissions and they are cheaper to manufacture. It’s just that mainstream society doesn’t know why.
@@marcusgeorge1825Well you elucidated this member of mainstream. Thanks!
@@BenMitro Happy to help! Just another reason why Supercars are moving away from additional cylinders for extra power and now using a hybrid set up with turbochargers to not only maximise power but also keep them passing emissions tests. Remember, these emissions tests will only get tougher in the future. I have no idea what Euro7 will bring apart from it being stricter again.
I believe a V6 will be available in the future as GWM recently released a v6 in China. The problem is emissions and displacement taxes. Most countries have both, only countries like US has no displacement tax. Not sure if Australia does. I suspect Australia will have a pretty high emissions taxes at the very least so a hybrid is almost a must. Even Toyota is discontinuing v6s here in US.
I think it's all going EV and PHEV way to be honest. I don't think they'll bring a V6 as it's Toyota's playground and they'll just nicely go around it...
Because new h9 will get the 2.4t diesel engine and might be introduced to AUS,just avoid duplication in future,I think.As for why no v6,I agree with you.
I'd like to see spacing after your commas - would make it much easier to read and understand your comments.
Wouldn’t the NVES play a part on why no diesel or petrol tank 500 here in Australia?
I have no idea, just expressing my own hypothesis.
@@ValueCarsAU there is also the fact there is no HEV 4x4 in Australia with the size rivalling the Land Cruiser. It could be GWM way to differentiate themselves apart from Toyota and Nissan.
Its the punters that dictate the market.
Diesel is dead or soon to be dead with emission law changes etc. They have made the right choice going petrol and from the reviews I've seen it has heaps more power than a gutless Prado. They just need to add another fuel tank to give it a bigger driving range.
Diesel is far from being "dead", but they certainly are smart and looking into the future, not the past.
At least the Aust gov is rolling back the stringent CO² laws regarding sales of new cars ( the US is rolling back , so little brother Aust, copies )
Toyota has been the least most enthusiastic about going full E.V, they know the public just doesn't want them.
G.W.M rolled the dice bringing in the ute, and it worked ( albeit a small but growing number of units sold ) I feel they may need to fire and hire new Aust Management staff, as the headquarters are getting bad feedback.
Look, AU government isn't known for their smarts, but at least they are watching how the market and stakeholders are responding, rather than keep ploughing ahead blind, which is a good thing overall. And re. bringing in the Utes I think it's an interesting topic deserving its own video in a couple of weeks...
Can someone comment on the build quality / reliability of tank 500 and 5 years down the line what sort of depreciation are we looking at ?
See you in 5 years. 🤣🙄
@@ValueCarsAU haha okay but any ideas about build quality?
@@umairwaheed3196 Quality is OK. But the cars are depreciate very quickly nowadays, not because of quality, but because new car price drops very quickly.
I was told by a salesman that diesel engines will be banded from production vehicles from 2025 that’s why gwm has the small petrol and hybrid cars. I think it’s cheaper to build a small cylinder motor and hybrid
This is interesting re. banning the production of engine types, I haven't heard about that.
There is no diesel powered Tank 500 in China so I doubt they will make one just for tiny market Australia.
As with the V6, NVES is one thing and the second one is also tiny market for Australia. All RHD Tank 500 is destined for export market which majority of them for south east asian countries, big engine (even for luxury european brand) never sells well in their market.
I don't think the reason for no V6 or Diesel in AU is absence of it in China. They export those engines elsewhere, so they *could* do it to Australia if it aligned with their plans. Which it clearly doesn't.
@@ValueCarsAU The V6 yes to the Middle East which is LHD market but still I never heard Tank 500 with diesel engine. Also it will be awkward for marketing to promote V6 engine with the spec sheet stating less power and torque than 2L Hybrid.
They are not producing diesel engines anymore in China due to strict emission regulations..All investments are in the EV development
One thing is producing engines and another - selling them. This is a car they make for export into other countries. So, nothing was stopping them other than some other - smarter - logic.
"Make a car like Toyota' but not include diesel... then NOT like Toyota and wont sell like it either. I can think of another example, the Petrol Nissan Patrol. Not selling.
It will sell like hot cakes. And that's exactly why they are not playing in Toyota's backyard. They are building their own.
Why no AWD? Why no fuel economy?
It's a strange question in regards to a 4x4 vehicle that is going to be (more) economical by definition - being a hybrid... Why are you trolling? Do you think rules of the channel don't apply to you?🤷♀️
AWD is not the same as 4wd simple
@@ValueCarsAU I'm not trolling, it's a genuine question, I'd expect hybrids to be more economical. Just because someone has a different opinion to you does not make them a troll. I was actually trying to participate in a discussion here but you're clearly not interested in having people do that. Unsubscribing.
@@kajak012 duh. Yet other companies manage to do both in one car.
Do you speak like this with your subscribers?
GWM is trying to change the market and making decisions on behalf of custmers. They should stop this and let customers decide for themselves. I was keen and was really serious about buying a Tank 500 or the new larger ute that's coming. But I will not even consider the hybrid. For a vehicle this size and weight, a 2.0L engine just does not cut it. If GWM refuses to bring in the V6 3.0L, in any of these new vehicles, then I'll go and get the Ford Ranger, even if I do pay more. I will not compromise with an underpowered engine for the sake of saving some money. Remember afterall, this is a Chinese made vehicle, and becuse of this you would expect to pay thousands less being chinese brand if its like for like with Ranger, Dmax, Hilux and even the new Triton (now 3.5T twoing capacity) but definitely NOT if its substandard in the engine department as well.
You can wait for the 2025 Haval H9, which will be released in this april. It is basically a Tank500 with a 2.4L diesel engine and its slightly cheaper( -5000 au$)
I don’t think anyone will buy the V6 tank 500 which may cost over 70K
I don't think GWM is trying to change the market or make decisions on our behalf. They are trying to PREDICT where the market is already GOING, and make decisions on their OWN behalf. 😉Because, easy as it is to understand - if you predicted that BTC will go from $0.3 to $25,000 at one point, you'd also make some pre-emptive moves, no?
@@ValueCarsAU I understand your comment but if they are not trying to force or change the market, then bring out the V6 3.0L version, and then see which of the two sells! Give the consumer a choice and then you will REALLY see what we want to buy and what the market wants. How can you really see what the market wants if you don't let them decide what they want? If the V6 does not sell and everyone want the small 2.0L then don't bring in the V6 anymore, but at least give us a chance to decide and don't decide for us.
How long can you drive this hybrid on a trip using electric motor. Maybe an hour! Much LESS if you are towing. So the electric motor is irrelevant, unless you are only driving this around the city for 50-60km a day. If this is the case, why on earth would you buy a vehicle this big for city commuting?
@@charlessas4138 Make sense if Australia is the main market of those manufacturers. They've probably done the market assessment/prediction already, but not here~
The only reason because the labour government, think about another country can get v6 version. Why?
I told you my thinking process. Yes, EV and PHEV are playing into govt policies, but nothing tells us that it would be different if Liberals were currently in, so... 🤷♀️
It has nothing to do with Australian government. It is the Chinese regulation. GWM is abolishing diesel and V6
who wants a diesel? poor driving exerience, poor torque, poor fuel economy. No Chinese car makers are investing in ancient technology now.
GWM - Hi4-T, outdating soon,
BYD - DMI and DMO, great success of Fangchengbao Bao5, any many future techs.
Chery - 3 gear DHT, great potential, but not stable enought,
CATL - semi/solid state battery, aiming 1000km range
Huawei - AI driving, usable now
You will see those cars in 3 years after most ruthless competition
Unfortunately we have very limited choice of Chinese competitor vehicles in Australia, because the market is so small - the manufacturers are not bringing in too many models and doing it very very slowly too... Appreciate your thoughts on this though.
@@ValueCarsAU GWM has abolished diesel engines.
No v6 and 3t tow limit bad move by the Chinese
I disagree
Yeah because we should be towing 3.5 tonne behind coil sprung vehicle that ways less than 3 tonnes. 3.5 tonne tow limit is a myth in the real world.
The Prado can only tow 3t which will be its main competitor. The 300 series is twice the price and still can't match the specs.