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🚘 The Driv3rGate Scandal: The Full Story (DriverGate) | Fact Hunt Special | Larry Bundy Jr
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A very special Fact Hunt this week, We had so many people say they enjoyed the Driv3rGate segment from the 3 Gaming Scandals that were buried episode of Fact Hunt, we decided to go back and re-add a lot of the original deleted content, as well as all the new research we discovered from people involved in the scandal since making the video. Enjoy!
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It’s funny, if this happened this day and age this wouldn’t be a scandal at all really. This is now so common place it’s hilarious in hindsight
The more technology evolves, the lazier and shiftier people get. There was no day 1 patching in those days, so if you released a broken game, you had no excuse and faced the wrath of the people.
And this is why modern gaming is crap.
Cyberpunk 2077 says "hello"
Ah man. One day too late. I was gunna say. Cyberpunk has entered the chat
@@lucasmaggart388 Looking at the Driv3r footage I went 'wow this is literally the cyberpunk of PS2'
It’s scary that they almost did the impossible, remove something from the internet permanently.
What's scarier is we'll never know who else has actually succeeded in that task and in what topic.
Cyber damnatio memoriae
"A delayed game is eventually good, an unfinished game is bad forever." -Shigeru Miyamoto
(Cough) Duke Nukem Forever (Cough)
@@Larry True but at least Duke Nukem Forever is a much better game than Driv3r. Sure Duke Nukem Forever is not the best not it not terrible either. Lazy Game Reviews (LGR) thinks the game not that bad. Here is video review on the game: th-cam.com/video/q_EESRrn-Ck/w-d-xo.html
I remember Gabe Newell had a version of that Miyamoto quote that went:
“If a game is late then it’s late. But if a game sucks, then it sucks forever.”
John V Except he once said that about Wario Ware Twisted in Europe.
A delayed game will bankrupt the company if it takes too long
Someone needs to bring this back up. Nothing on the internet should ever die, and companies should have no right to touch archive sites or wikis. This is humanity's grand archive, the sum of human knowledge, and no one (legally or otherwise) should be allowed to mess with it.
PongoXBongo yes, The Internet archive is remarkably useless as soon as you start to research anything that is either obscure or controversial. A lot of content there is blocked by the owners of the domain. Some of the more obscure content is simply not archived before disappearing forever.
I was a kid when the first three drivers came out, so I was too stupid to care how broken Driv-three-arrrgh was. Me and my school friends had such a laugh finding glitches... so I guess that counts for something. Even though Atari are absolute wankers for ruining this franchise, at least we got Stuntman out of this, although badly timed.
Lol, we did the same thing too, worth the asking price just for that!
I love the way you pronounced the title😁
Ok, so the Watchdogs thing totally blindsided me. I had no idea.
You know, the mention of Watchdogs starting out as a Driver title made me wonder if there could be a Fact Hunt to be made out of new IPs that started as sequels in other franchises. Off the top of my head, I know Devil May Cry got its start from one of the earliest builds of a potential RE4 (it's more complicated than that, and obviously they didn't just slap a different title over a game originally meant to be RE, but the idea for it and some of the mechanics and settings came from an early build of RE4).
EB Agent J i know this is an obvious one but Sleeping Dogs started as a new entry in the infamous True Crime series, True Crime: Hong Kong
When I played watch dogs and especially watch dogs 2 it still to this day loosely reminds me of Driver San Francisco.. then to find out it's basically running on the same but modified engine.
The one thing i remember most about all of this was that Rockstar and Reflections were sniping at each other in their games, too. Starting in GTA3 where Kenji sends you kill a "strangely animated" man who looked exactly like Tanner in Driver 2, making fun of his walk animations. Driv3r responded by hiding a bad knockoff of Tommy Vercetti (named "Timmy Vermicelli", get it?) around the game, and he had little orange floaties on his arms to reference that you couldn't swim in Vice City. Then San Andreas finished it with the mission where you sneak into Madd Dogg's mansion, and he's sitting on his couch playing Driv3r and raging about how terrible it is.
I remember playing GTA 3 and doing the kenji mission and thinking "oh shit, it's Tanner from driver! Does anyone else know about this?" My question was finally answered.😎
My eyes practically bugged right out of my head when you said that Driver was eventually re-branded as Watch_Dogs... dear God, it all comes full circle.
Lol, my eyes rolled back so far, I could see my brain :D
What's ironic is nowadays kids are USED to this kinda stuff LOL and they still buy the shit, banking on patches and updates, etc.
It sucks...
At least with live updates there is real chance it will actually get fixed.
Back in this era you didn't really get live updates or after release patches.
ALso if a game is THIS unfinished then people still drag it through the mud like Cyberpunk 2077.
We only give stuff a pass if it's mostly good and just needs a bit more polish.
Watch_Dogs was originally a Driver Game !?
Imagine that. The game with the worst driving controls originally being a driving game.
I think it had more to do with the gameplay style as to why the driving wasn't good in Watch_Dogs. Like Mario Kart is a fun game but imagine Mario Kart driving physics in Grand Theft Auto
Jeez that explains why watch_dogs was poopy
That's funny, I bought Driv3r for ps2, pretty close to it's launch, and didn't encounter any of these bugs. I only remember the story missions being incredibly hard difficulty-wise, and having fun in istanbul, driving in oncoming lane with the infinite car mass cheat. This video actually makes me want to check it out again :D
Sadly, the Driv3rGATE was a forecast of what the AAA game industry became today; publishers didn't learned with the 1982 "E.T" game, neither with "Driv3rgate", so everyone can be dang sure that they won't learn with Cyberpunk 2077.
The market is way over saturated. I feel like we're heading for another video game crash
I may as well throw in the GTA Trilogy Definitive Edition that released full of bugs, oh and Battlefield 2042 that game was more broken than Rockstars GTA Trilogy The Definitive Edition, and boy that collection tells quite a story going all the way back to when Take 2 started taking down GTA SA, III, and Vice City mods. THEN removing the original versions, and the icing on the shit cake is that to this very day Rockstar STILL scams people.
Driv3r was the Fallout 76 of the Early 2000's
Yeah both games got fixed into a playable state
@@lookatme5939 Doesn't mean that they weren't unplayable before hand
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Not sure playable is the right word in regard to 76. "It just works" is a bit more accurate.
Update: ... Oh wait I am putting fun and playable into the same category. Said the same as you. Just with a quote. So nevermind
For all the people commenting "It wasn't that bad", "I liked Driv3r". You probably played the patched version of the game.
Mada Faka I played both versions, I love the game. Not because of nostalgia, just because I had genuine good fun. Your right. But Driver will be my favorite series EVER.
If not the game, then the soundtrack, the well rendered cutscenes which were almost Hollywood-esque, Jericho was a bad ass villian omggg 😂
If you play the game 100% to how they want you to play missions, you should miss a lot of glitches too, but do anything "creative" and you're in a whole world of trouble.
Or they were kids when they play it. Even I looked past obvious flaws in games when I was a kid.
Patched PS2 version on release day? No. I didn't have any issues with bugs. Perhaps regional versions for some odd reasons had issues but none of my friends in Norway had these bugs in the EU version at least.
What I loved most about Driver and Driver 2 was how the pedestrians would always leap out of the way. It made it feel like a movie.
What was funny was how San Andreas took a shot at Driv3r. "REFRACTIONS, HOW'D YOU SCREW IT UP SO BAD!"
They did?
One of the thugs is playing a video game in the mission Mad Dogg's Rhymes, he's rather displeased by it, commenting "How could Refractions mess up so bad?" and "Tanner, you suck ass!".
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"One of the guards playing a video game remarks, "How could Refractions mess up so bad?" and "Tanner, you suck ass!" These are references to the poor reception of DRIV3R, which is considered a GTA Clone, where the protagonist's name is Tanner, and the game is made by Reflections Interactive."
that is just pure gold
***** In the mission where you're breaking into Madd Dogg's mansion, a guy is playing Driv3r (or a copyright friendly imitation of it) and he is hating the experience.
Yeah, as the others said, damn they were fast.
If you search for a video of the mission mad Dog's Rhymes, you'll see it almost certainly, it's a brief cutscene, even, not just ambient dialogue.
I find the potshots amusing considering Reflections and DMA/Rockstar North used to be buddies back in their early days.
Also, Reflections themselves took a shot at Driv3r as well, as there was an area in Parallel Lines that had a dumpster filled with copies of Driv3r.
The whole 'deleting bad comments' sounds awfully familiar after the whole TH-cam Rewind 2018...
"For the good of us all, releasing a game of this importance in such a woefully unfinished state should never be allowed to happen again"
And as they say, the years start coming.
Ironic how DRIV3R turned out the way it did to compete with San Andreas, and then we get GTA Definitive Edition.
History repeats itself.
@@silverflight01 you think that GTA Definitive edtion was bad? Battlefield 2042 would like to have a word.
@@silverflight01 Given how notoriously often this happens nowadays, I think someone needs to tell history we heard them the first time
The irony that Atari rushing unfinished games out led to the Video Game Crash in the 1980s (With E.T and Pac Man) and cost them millions. Yet, even after that they didn't learn their damn lesson.They did it again a few years ago with Roller Coaster Tycoon World.
I swear, AAA game companies have the memories of Goldfish.
True, but it's worth noting that the Atari of the PS2 era has nothing to do with the original Atari l, it's French company Infogrames rebranding itself.
All I remember is this game was absolutely amazing when I played it when I was little. Like a whole personal modern day world to explore
Moral: Don't be greedy and rush what could had been a good game
Let's all laugh at an industry, that never learns anything, tee-hee-hee.
Off topic: Is anyone else tired of scrolling through the comments on a phone when suddenly a wild advertisement appears and resets the comments to the top, forcing you to scroll back down?
Zac Hawkins no u
That TH-cam life...☹️
A Driver fan named RacingFreak found the early press demo of Driver 3 in an Xbox Development Kit very recently and its better looking than the final version.
-More cars were planned. Many of the cars in the final version had different designs and handling. The car select movies are different to what we got.
-There were better looking textures for the environments, cars, pedestrians and police.
-The cutscenes, missions, characters and cities were VERY different looking.
(Note: This is only a summary and the game files are still being explored. More content may appear.)
Look for channels VortexStory, BetaDepot, Olanov and RacingFreak. RacingFreak is the guy who found it so I suggest you look at his channel then VortexStory for comparison as he talks about it also. Olanov found some music and BetaDepot put up some analysis videos of the preview build.
VortexStory has a playlist called "Driv3r Beta and Press Demo Content." This is what to search. All their findings are documented on the playlist.
It's crazy to see these clips, I absolutely do not remember this game being buggy, but then again, it's probably the nostalgia glasses
Imagine being one of the guys who designed the 35,000 unique buildings...
...only for the game to not only flop, but drop to the bottom of the barrel.
I bought a PS2 copy back in the day and I can assure you that I have never seen the glitches in this video. Sure there may have been some small bugs or clip throughs here and there but the ones shown here are ridiculous. No wonder it got such a backlash.
I'm gonna be honest, I owned the PS2 version and never had a single glitch like what I saw in this video. Game played really well for me, and I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Atari over-investing and screwing themselves through stupidity? Is this 1982 again? They never bloody learn, do they?
It's 2016 and they still haven't learned.
Atari today is not the same Atari back in the 80's. They're really Infogrames, a French company that bought the name in 2003 so that they could ride the old company's coat tails.
The House Always Wins We all know this. It's irrelevant.
Maybe they're just adamant about destroying the video game industry.
It's a different Atari than 1986. Sure it has the same name, but it has nothing to do with the original except for the name being purchased.
I've played this game on PS2 and I loved it! But I was very young at that time and therefore didn't know all those bugs weren't supposed to be there. I didn't know about that whole scandal as well. I'm glad for the memories I could make with that game, but am kinda sad now knowing how much better that game could've been.
I remember being in my late teens, early 20s when this game came out, looking at it and thinking "this is going straight to the bargain bin." Boy was I right. Bullet dodged.
DRIV3R was so broken, me and my cousin were convinced that we got a scratched copy. The missions would always bug out and the player would get stuck on the sidewalk.
Erick Dominguez i was convinced of the same.
Even if it wasn't a buggy mess, the lack of checkpoints, iffy on-foot sections and the very anti-climatic ending would mean it still would have been a huge disappointment.
As a kid i loved driv3r. Hell I'd spend hours messing with the glitches alone. I'd love to see how it could've turned out with more polish
Here we are years later & neither the gaming industry or "games media" learned anything from this.
The never learn anything, Teeheehee
This is one of the most puzzling and frustrating things about the video games industry to me. Publishers and developers keep making the same mistakes over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.....
@@batou1976 Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Seems that's true no matter what it is.
@@Dragonking1984 And from that we could extrapolate that if we do not heed our history, then it wont only repeat, it _must_ repeat.
@@freshrot420 Sadly it seems so. It's like history is the teacher & we're all that one dumb ass who's had to repeat the same grade over & over.
What really pissed me off about the whole scandal was being chewed out by customers as if I was personally responsible. I was managing a GAME store at the time and the company was pushing us to build up hype about the game and to point out the positive reviews.
So after telling people how great Driver 3 was going to be, I had to eat crow when the game was launched and people started returning it; including myself, only keeping the collector's edition car figurine.
The only other time I fell for game hype was my own fault, falling for the lies by Larry's best mate Peter Molyneux and the whole "Project: Milo" tech demo fiasco.
I actually really enjoyed this game back in the day, I had San Andreas, but I found Driv3r more cinematic and gritty, and I played the first two drivers religiously, so I had a soft spot for it there too. It definitely could have been a better game had Atari not been a bunch of dummies
By the time driver 3 came out, I had already written it off as the poor man's gta 3.
Driver became Watchdogs ? Wow ! I'm being educated as well as entertained. I love this channel.
Thanks bud, I try to find original and interesting topics! :)
"Driva Free"...
Well played.
Did you know that GTA used to roast Driver franchise?
In GTA3, the mission called "Two-Faced Tanner" when Claude was tasked to kill the undercover cop who has girl walking animation. That was reference to the awkward walk animation in Driver 2. And that undercover cop named Tanner.
And when they said "Useless out of his car" it means that Driver 2 started to lost it touch when they let us get out of a car.
you havent seen my recent "characters made to piss people off" episode i take it? :)
@@Larry Oh !I firstly heard from another channel. But I never go in full details as much as your video.
(Sorry for bad English)
Salute to you sir! You still replied to the video from 5 years ago. You sir, are a legend.
@@user-ux1yk5qs7d Larry Jr. is a treasure for sure, but I think your original comment did a great job summarizing the important facts especially without seeing the episode in question. Just wanted to say I appreciate the effort and I don't find your English bad at all.
But in Driv3r Reflections roasted Rockstar by making a guy called Timmy Vermicelli which was a reference to Tommy Vercetti from GTA Vice City.
He had oversized hands and floaties, bright orange skin and a Freddy Mercury kind of face. This roast is the better than the ones Rockstar did🤣
No, "Useless out of his car" didn´t meant to say that Driver started to lost it touch when they let us get out of a car, it was a parody of how in the second game you couldn´t use any type of gun, literally the opposite to GTA 3
Oh you, how did you know I liked your _'3 Major Gaming Scandals That Were Buried'_ video so much that I wanted to learn more about the Driv3r shitstorm?? I'm serious, I loved that video the first time I watched it, and I was just watching it again when this popped up on my subscriptions feed
Same, the final entry of the video is the most interesting segment of a top list I've ever seen.
Thanks dude, yeah I thought it was a rather interesting topic to go back to, especially as I cut a load out for time constraints originally.
The only glitches I ever came across when playing Driv3r were ocassional physics glitches and people walking off of rooftops to their deaths. I loved it to death.
deltahalo241 I think you played the patched version.
It was on the PS2 though
People need to understand that journalists and public relations people use the same skillset a lot of the time. So when you see corrupt journalistic entities like this they are always acting as basically a PR firm instead of a journalistic enterprise.
Driver 3 will always hold a special place in my heart. Still play it to this day
I have an idea for a POSITIVE fact hunt for once top 5 influencal bad games. cause even though the games are bad,they helped influence good games.
Would Wolfenstein 3D qualify. It's aged terribly.
Ollie Taylor did it come out before Doom? If yes than it does,if no than ehhhh that depends on what it did that doom didn't that influenced shooters.
Hydlide, influenced the Ys series.
Wolfenstein was great for the time, so no.
Add kill.switch to that list.
Killswitch inspired Epic Games' to make Gears of War with the way it handled shooting from cover. The other big inspiration was resident evil 4, but... we wouldn't put that on this list for a very obvious reason.
I bet if Driv3r were to be fixed up and released as intended, it'd be awesome!
Indeed, was hoping Ubisoft would re-release it on Steam or uPlay
How did I not know any of this? I loved Driv3r!!!
Now it may have something to do with I played it as a sandbox driving game, I especially loved driving around in the tractor trailers, and never played the story line or apparently paid attention to the cars driving through the walls...
You must try it again someday, you can pick it up for pennies now. See if your opinion has changed!
eaveskc same, this game was my childhood since i wasnt allowed to play gta yet, gonna probably play it again soon haha
I had it for the Xbox it's very buggy it's great
a) had NO idea Driver became Watch Dogs, but
b) Thanks Stuart
I played Driv3r all the time as a kid, and never once had to deal with glitches or bad mechanics. (according to memory) Now i want to get it again, snd see how dumb my middle school brain really was.
Simple question then: Was it a PC version and did you play it well after it was released? Because it was probably somewhat patched by that point.
SketchAndEtch No, it was the Xbox version, and he did metion it had a small patch. So I'm assuming thats why I didn't have all these problems.
I remember being super excited for Driv3r specifically for the survival mode. LOL!
When it finally released, I went to GameStop (or EB/whatever it was) to pick up the game, and the guy behind the counter actually convinced me _not_ to get Driv3r because of how bad it was. However, a week later I went back to the mall and actually bought it. And from then on, I had a lot of hilarious times with that game XDDD
It's really quite entertaining because the physics are so unrealistic and ridiculous that it makes you burst out laughing. xD I think it's so bad that it's actually damn awesome.
survival is crazy, the cops will hit you so hard it will make your car do ballet
Wild how this was such a crazy occurrence back then but now it probably happens every other month
FUN FACT: The Driver franchise is STILL around. Although a hollow shell, it's recent iteration was different, ditching cars for boats instead.
But Driver SAN Fransico
@@zafool4997 it ruled.
Or watch dogs.
@@ccateni28 The Crew also.
@matt Yeah, but Watch Dogs and The Crew were meant to be Driver games. But yes when they make a car game the DNA will always be there.
So pretty much what happened with GamerGate then. Corruption and unethical journalism exposed and then the censorship of all who questioned it.
But no SJWs back then to twist it about harassment.
Larry Bundy Jr well said
Oh, I don't know, Larry. They're really into historical revisionism these days so I'm sure they'll invent some link between Driv3r's scandal and harassment if they weren't mostly non-gamers.
I must have had a better copy of Driv3r when I was little because I never experienced any major glitches when I just screwed around in the Take a Ride mode
Same and I played story mode
@@michaelwilliams2231 Same thing happened to me, not one single glitch, at least from my memory.
It’s funny because scenarios like this happen all the time nowadays. Developers overpromise, and underdeliver.
Publishers promise, developers deliver.
Ironically, the GTA Definitive edition remaster did the same thing as Driv3r.
@@NFSBeast2365 Nah, that thing didn't promise that much but was still way worse than expected.
@@NFSBeast2365 more like GTA the broken edition.
Not sure which Driver it was; but, people kept running away from me and the police would shoot me on sight. Me and my brother finally figured it out when we looked at the shadows, his gun was drawn but you couldn’t see it on the character model.😂😂😂😭
Driv3r is the only game I know of where even the staff at the notorious price-gouging pawnshop GAME in the UK actually told people to hold onto their receipts when they were selling it.
That...actually happens a lot in my local game station.
Kayleigh Brown same here, thats actually common sense
For some reason I always binge guru larry when I get sick
aw, thank you :)
I do the same thing!!!
Him and ashens.
Great light hearted entertainment.
I put larry on when I sleep
@@orangeman3220 same
I’m home sick today watching this lol.
Every gamer in the world should be REQUIRED to watch this video, just so they understand how unbelievably low these companies will go. They don't give a FUCK about you or anyone else, or even the products they are pushing, it's ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.
I had no idea the Driver franchise became Watch Dogs, this was really interesting to watch. I bought Driver 3 pre-owned on Xbox about 3 months after it launched for about £25, obviously I tried to return the game about a week down the line but had no luck and the price of the game had already dropped to a measly £10 meaning GAME gave me about £1 for it.
Made In Heaven Give Duke Nukem Forever credit. It was disappointing, sure, but at least was decent. And the same thing happened to that game. It went into bargain bin status very quickly.
Driver: San Francisco it’s still my favorite in the series and highly underrated. Even the multiplayer was on point. That team then left and worked on The Crew.
Funny little tidbit about that, under Ubisoft, they've actually given the studio Reflections full rights to work on another Driver if they choose to I've heard. They just don't see the point at the moment and are perfectly happy under the hood of The Crew, Watch Dogs and Ghost Recon: Wildlands. And pretty much anything else Ubisoft has that involves driving now. So they're all still around and contributing which makes me and them very happy indeed.
Driver: San Francisco is a fantastic game! The soundtrack is one of the best in any game IMHO too!
I played The heck out of Driv3r. The glitches were indeed irritating but often hilarious too. I loved the police cars falling from the sky. But Driv3r was the game that got me into gaming.
My brother had it on PS2. Don't remember those issues.
The thing I always remember is the easteregg where they took a jab at GTA Vice City and hade a whole F1-track hidden off map.
I know about the Timmys, but where is this F1 track?
@@joshglover2370 Maybe not a F! track but some racing track passed the tunnel where the Timmys are.
It was a Go Kart Track.
Played hours and hours of Driver (PC), Driver 2 (PS1) and Driver3 and Parallel Lines. 3 was fun, challenging and was easy to waste hours just causing havoc. Finding hidden vehicles including the forklift was a hoot. The game was not nearly as glitchy as this story makes it out to be. The game is an honest 8.5/10 to me.
You heard of course that the game was patched later right, maybe you played the patched thing? I mean why would the company go through all this scandal bs that obviously happened, if the game could be considered at least 'fun enough'?
Didn´t see any of those glitches after countless hours of gameplay.
The shit that's happening today makes this scandal feel quaint.
Only at that point in time it was nonsense, whereas now it's a common occurence.
I was sent here by man that can´t count the days between boxing day and new years eve.
GT Fan 8899 Hello fellow oh wait we haven't been procrastinators for a while
yeah what happened to "hello procrastonators" I miss the old dan
I put so many hours into driv3r on ps2 and never came across any glitches like this, I woulda loved to see these glitches they would have been funny as
Driv3r ...released around the time people wore Atari T-shirts "look I'm ironic!" How sickeningly true.
I guess if this happened today Atari would have blamed Toxic gamers...
I loved Driv3r. The realism was way above GTA's, despite its problems. Of course it would have been a million times better had they properly finished it.
But just look at the damage of the cars, it was mind blowing at its time.
not much different than modern gaming.
they have good concept, decent release state.
destroyed by bugs, unfinished mess.
they rush it out to make money. but at the end of the day they lose in the long run
I agree. The visuals; the sounds of the cars; the physics... It was leaps and bounds ahead of where GTA was at the time with Vice City, and even San Andreas. And I say that as a life-long GTA fan.
Should've waited that six months. They shouldn't have lied and threw the game on the shelves. This is just...sad.
Amusing, isn't it? If they just waited until the next October and released it then, they would've done well.
Instead, they threw it on the shelves unfinished and Driver, Atari and Reflections became the laughing stock of the gaming world.
It's sad that Future and the PSM2 and XBW editors suffered no real comeuppance for this. They definitely deserved to.
It wasn't really known about until some time later, so they may have left by then.
All I have is good memories of this game. I don't remember it being buggy when I was a kid.
Many elements of what happened sounded alot like Cyberpunk's situation.
I got an advert for cyberpunk whilst watching this video, I died laughing.
I actually had Driv3r on my old PC, but the thing was, the PC was just too weak to run the game properly. The game had no textures, glitched out just like in this video and ran at 2 or 3 frames per second. It was straight-up unplayable.
I thought that was just my video card and the drivers having too many issues, but now I'm not so sure anymore, especially since the same PC could run GTA San Andreas just fine, on lower settings and resolution, but still definitely playable on a more or less stable frame rate.
Pc master race
Obviously an unfinished game would not be optimised.
@@ricky-sanchez the struggle of forced obsolescence is real...
Wait, they tried to erase any traces of the scandal? No wonder Atari went bankrupt, i think this is possibly one of the worst PR moves, a company can try to pull off
Imagine if Driver 3 had been finished and polished... We probably would't have had to listen to Irish's oirish arkcent in Red Dead Redemption
I am a big fan of this saga and i've never seen any of those bugs on driv3r. This is the best driving saga that i have seen, with a great story and i'd like an hd remaster from any of these games
The native "guerrilla" is here.
It happens rarely and some of the bugs you need to do on your own, like rotating the camera afted you fall from the bike and land on a hill or jumping from a great height in the water to fall into the limbo
I just broke out my old copy of Stuntman and it has a trailer for Driver 3 on it! Made me laugh so hard knowing what I know about Driver 3 now.
Kelsey Powell Damn frustrating game...but I loved it.
Magazines have always been corrupt, why I never bought them or believed in them.
@Maintenance Renegade What about the Nintendo magazines like Nintendo Force or Switch Player for example what is your thoughts on them?
Gamepro was the best and (mostly) honest publication. They gave real reviews on games, had real reviewers, had their own art team, responded to reader feedback, had an easy to understand scoring system, and gave free strategy guides and cheat codes for popular games. You will never find anything like that now. Ign and vg24\7 are just ad sites.
I always come back every few months to watch this video - it's made amazingly well. It's detailed, concise and revealing. I still can't believe a childhood game of mine was surrounded by so much scandal and laziness. I went back to play it recently, and you can really see that the game was buggy, underdeveloped and in need of more funding. I think that if Atari and Reflections released Driv3r post-GTA San Andreas, they would've have done somewhat better than a measly 760,000 copies. Truthfully, releasing Driv3r after GTA San Andreas was released in Halloween 2004 really would've been "a nail in the coffin" as you put it, because players would've been so distracted by the GTA's massive development and missions. This is a great video, I didn't feel like I was missing any information, good job Larry!
Driver will forever be my favorite game series by sheer nostalgia alone, but tbh I never experienced any of the big bugs shown here. The physics definitely had their (usually hilarious) moments, and the on-foot controls were very rough and wonky, but I still had a blast playing it. I think some of the wonkiness is what made it such fun, even ignoring the story mode altogether. Trying to put together super-Hollywood-tier home movies in film director was always entertaining too lol. Shame to see this whole train wreck, but at least the series got some level of closure with San Francisco being great fun in the same arcade way.
Hybridizer The game got patched a little bit after launch. The game was pretty good after that happened
So is this why Driver San Francisco can only be bought with subway gift cards?
It's amazing that despite 3 different incarnations of Atari they still do the same bullshit, which is rush half-baked half-finished steam piles of garbage. The same shit that sank them in the gaming crash of 83. Sunk them in the early 2000s, and is currently sinking them again.
Lazy management is the reason why a company sinks. It's like they saw gta 3 in the works and said "just make driver 3, they'll probably buy it, or get the the two confused or something. Oh and hurry up. No reason, just hurry up." I'm pretty sure that was the idea behind driver 3.
Such a shame to have your reputation and franchise destroyed by an idiotic company who profits off of their success from 40 years ago.
Welcome to EA! Are you anti-consumer? Anti-fun? Anti-happiness? This is the job for you
+Antiform that sounds like Vivendi Universal lel
@@Antiformedat least they make decent games and still give me interest
I enjoyed Driv3r very much but I was young and did not know about GTA. Had very fun times with this game. Has a special place in my heart.
I was 12-13 when this came out and I don't remember it being that buggy or unfinished.Pretty insane to learn all of this so many years later good job Larry😊
"The game was terrible, glitched to hell, bordering on unplayable, rushed to retail."
Drivergate predated Bethesda
*Assassin's Creed Unity
meh bethesda games are buggy as fuck but nowhere near unplayable, especially if you play on PC. I only once came across a game breaking bug once in a bethesda IP and funny enough it was in new vegas, a game they didn't actually develop. :P
@@NoStereo You must have never played fallout 3. Nothing worse than getting stuck in a wall, and having to load a save from 45 mins ago.
Well there was Driver76
I love Driv3r, it was one of my favorite games for ps2. Driv3r wasn't as buggy as this video shows either and the glitches that did happen honesty made the game more fun to play.
{sits down with legs crossed, eyes wide with wonder} "Uncle Larry? Will you tell us the story of Driv3rGate again? Pleeeease?"
Ha, Did you enjoy it? :D
Larry Bundy Jr I did indeed, thank you sir! :-D
KandaPanda
No worries matey :)
Just brought your book “Fact Hunt”. I didn’t need an early copy to give it 10/10
I remember everyone thought GTA3 was a Driver 2 ripoff.
I remember when everyone thought driver 2 was "the fake gta where you can't really get out of the vehicle."
I loved the first 2 drivers. If they did driver 3 right, the rivalry between them and GTA would've been good for the industry and to keep Rock* on their toes.
At least we got the Saints Row franchise making it's debut about 2 years later!
Driver 3 was one of my most played games back in the days. The driving physics, sounds and looks where so captivating, i loved driving around Miami, Nice... it was kind of chilling
Why would anyone play this knowing gta existed at that time? Even if they played driver 1 and 2?
I had fun with both simultaneously.
They where completely different games, different atmosphere, different driving physics, graphics and gameplay.
GTA SA was a more entertaining game to explore at random and had better shooting mechanics. Climbing, running and hidding.
But Driver 3 was a game focused in the driving experience. Porsuits where twice as much fun, oversteering was on point, suspension movement was dynamic and the exaggerated physics was fun as hell and the damage simulation was alot more eye catching.
the entire game was candy for the car enthusiasts who wanted some cop car rush. Not to mention the game had a more 90's vibe that was kind of captivating.
The games where so different from one another that a comparisson makes no sense. And that coming from a guy who spent way too much time on both games.
@@Lucas-ck1po Well said. I had driver 1 and 2, and at the same time every grand theft auto around at the time. By the time driver 3 came out, I felt that driver 3 was just another gta 3 clone like so many others. Never thought the car physics could have been different. 👍
Dude, driver and driver 2 where great.
If you liked them you would probably have liked the third one as well unless you expected it to be a better GTA.
It wasn't. It was just another game.
I think many people hated it because they expected a game to compete with GTA. They expected another type of game out of it.
I remember a few magazines back then reviewing them and comparing them both, listing and putting checkmarks of their attributes, which one would win... i never really got why people did that, it was like comparing Gran Turismo 4 to NFS Underground.
Anyways, i miss those times so much...
You almost win the driver 3 arguement, but,
I wrote driver 3 off as a gta 3 clone.
Now in retrospect driver was indeed a clone of gta from day 1. Driver 3 may have had "the driver in mind" but it never had the "gamer" in mind. At the time of driver 3, San Andrea's took full effect. To see that the driver's story was not fleshed out was a deal breaker. Also play Driver 2. It was pretty bad. Driver 3 does wear it's shit in gold, right with true street crimes.
This is literally the same story with cyberpunk, history repeats itself clearly
except cyberpunk is actually pretty fun; it's just that redditors like you keep circlejerking about a game you've never even played nonstop cause redditors gotta be mad at something at any given time
no no no, not that it's bad, I played it and it was amazing, got 100h on cyberpunk, but the thing I was trying to imply, is that both of these games suffered from rushed releases. They both would've been quite better if worked on for longer. 😊
@@turbone6028 ah, my apologies then; I've just seen so many people who complain about it in so many places that I've gotten so damn sick of seeing it
I saw a guy who said "cyberpunk bad" in a damn cooking video of all places, if you could believe it.
@@TarlukLegion cyberpunk was almost unplayable at launch
Can't believe that you missed that Atari also did the same thing in March this year (2016) - Rollercoaster Tycoon World.
it was supposed be released, Finished, on December 10, 2015, then delayed until March 2016 where it was released unfinished and broken hiding behind Steam "Early Access".
Years later the story was repeated with Cyberpunk 2077 and another company flushed their reputation down the toilet.
funny how history repeats itself!
@@Larry And is it just coincidence that this bit of history has been more or less totally forgotten due to the lack of discussion/archives about it, that the lessons can't be passed onto the people it mattered to the most?
I think not.
Makes you wonder where we're going to be at in another 20 years, with people fighting to abolish all forms of historical teachings because it can't be shown in a favorable light in 2023.
And flatout 3!!!
To be fair they did fix a lot of the complaints and imo the game itself is a master piece now that it's no longer a technical mess.
i think cd project reds reputation is alot better now that they have improved the game
Bugs and rushing aside, the worst part of Driv3r is the fact that it attempted to copy GTA instead of sticking with its identity that got the series to the top with Driver 1 (and arguably 2, even with all the flaws). To copy GTA with far less detail is as stupid as bringing a knife to an RPG shootout.
What is up with adding -gate to every goddamn scandal.
I can’t wait for something involving a gate company or something so we can reach the peak Gategate and end it all for once.
Adding "-gate" to scandals goes back to 1972 with what was known as the Watergate scandal, possibly the widest reported conspiracy ever discovered in relation to the United States President who at the time was Richard Nixon. Watergate was the name of a business complex in Washington DC which was broken into by 5 men who worked for the Democratic National Committee under Nixon himself to wiretap phones and steal documents in a bid to get him reelected. The case became one of America's greatest examples of investigative journalism and engrained itself so deep into popular culture at the time that people still use "-gate" to describe large uncovered scandals and conspiracies to this very day.
I hope that answers your question.
public.oed.com/blog/the-gate-suffix/
TZL;DR, they do it in reference to the Watergate Scandal, which was a pretty major scandal in US Politics that iirc led to Richard Nixon's impeachment.
I remember a _Punisher_ comic by Garth Ennis where Frank is tailed by a reporter who wants his story, bragging about all the things he's done, one of which was exposing "Gatey's Gate-Gate."
I think most people know about that and adding gate to every scandal is still stupid.
I remember when a prominent politician was found to be selling stolen goods on the black market. It was dubbed "Fencegate" /s
I remember Official Playstation Magazine UK giving a high score for Enter The Matrix (another Atari published game) when everyone else stating it was clearly unfinished. I'm pretty sure they gave Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness a high score as well. PlayStation Power always used to make snide comments about publishers bribing certain magazines so the practice was always known.
Angel of Darkness was a broken mess.