John Deere 317 Half Track Garden Tractor Update
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2017
- In this video I give an update on the John Deere 317 Half Track Garden Tractor.
Some modifications I have made, and some I will need to make.
I also answer some commonly asked questions.
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Hell yeah!! I'm sooo glad someone can appreciate a sturdy build on a machine that needs it.
Well done, Norman! Thanks for the update. Congratulations on the excellent response to this build! I didn't really think about the axle flexing when trying to tension the tracks. I think about the only thing to do on that would be to add another axle support on the outside. I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with. Keep up the great work!!
Great work Norman! You helped me rebuild my k321 along with instructions and parts. Now you're going to help me half track my 214 to better deal with the snow. I love it! Keep up the good work
Awesome! Thanks for your comment
I subscribe to your channel today.it’s really cool. I am freaking old and I am happy to see you young man working with his hands. I think all young people should be independent like you
Thank you! I try my best! With this channel hopefully I will inspire another generation of people to do stuff like this.
Can't wait to see your project de-bugged and complete. I will be making one as well.
What a great job and on a older Deere is nice to see. Thanks again for the great videos on your channel.
Keep it up man people are starting do their own work now and days and a compact tractor is the key.
That thing looks awesome. I've been wanting to put a front end loader on my 112 for awhile. I've been out plowing the gardens with it today even with the turf tires it pulls the plow way down with almost no effort. Great machines for sure.
Did you ever build that loader for your 112? I have a 110 and I was thinking about doing the whole backhoe loader thing. I also have an Allis Chalmers B-10 that might turn out like a terramite. I really want a terramite..lol
glad I found this channel I love older small tractors (to my wifes dismay) lol ...subbed
I like that idea. I have a David Bradley front Blade that I added to my craftsman Lt 2000 mower. It's no where close to being as heavy duty as your mower, but it's fun pushing 6 inches of snow.
Congratulations from Brazil, excelent work. This help me a lot.
I love this project!! Please keep up the great work!!
Thank you!
Tension idea....heim joints. Like traction bars for a pickup. Great build man, I need to do this for my snow mower build.
Great design and build. I have fallen into the same addiction not done with my present build but I may post as well. Thank you. P.S. I didn't know my addiction had a name!
Another great video Norman! I can't wait for the podcast! let me know when we are ready for the next catalog. :)
On my list of things to complete this week!
Super cool man. I have wanted to do a restore on a old cat 10 ever since I seen one. I have a old wards s12 that I have been thinking of making a crawler out of. This video gave me some ideas, and with winter coming and recently getting a 110v wire machine once I get my mower deck for my jd 140 h1 patched up I'll be hot and heavy on it
As always awesome
Good job Norman
GREAT job 👍👌👏
One quick suggestion is. Consider that the engine weight is on the front wheels... I moved a 150 John Deere engine from the orginal position to behind the main wheels. This you could benefit from with your tracks. Also you have given your self a space to mount the engine behind the body. Simply use the PTO output shaft as the transmisson input.
Hmm. very interesting. I like it!
Fill up the rear tires with windshield washer fluid :)
When an engineering student has a passion for old iron and garden tractors... Bet you're glad you never locked the diff though!
I would have done exactly what you detailed towards the end with either truck shocks, maybe 1 inch half shaft stubs on your idle wheel frame, pillow block bearing, and beef up the rear frame a bit. On second review, makes you wonder what that would look like with implementation with a hydraulic hitch system and reeeeeeally long engagement arms! 👀
Sure wish I would have come across this 5 years ago, but that's the internet for you.
Wow thats amaizing
Alright! Great idea!
Slot the fixtures and add flange bearings to a just the track tension. Also mount to the frame work by adding a trunnion to the frame. Just thought I'd add my 2 cents. Great build man !!!!!
Great suggestion thanks! I like this a lot easy to add too
Hi Norman, this is why you see BIG farm tractors/farming machines have multiple out side tires = more traction! love your set up. I would love to make the same for my lawn tractor for mudding! Also the shock adding would work just as well with a spring system..
thank you for the Great video, I subscribed, and thumbs up these great videos. cheers :-)
thank you,
R. Downer Rdownergarage...
Thank you Richard! I appreciate it!
Cheap but Smart Idea... Very Good...
Thought on making the idler wheel adjustable.
Use ratchet binders like we commercial flatbedders use. Just cut off the hook ends and weld them into your frame making each side adjustable independently of eachother.
to make the wheels moveable, just put the next side tube up so the idlers simply telescope out or in as needed
Mike Snell that works too. I was just trying to be creative about it.
For adjusting the tension use threaded rod or big nuts and bolts like they do on some of the tracked machines
Very glad to hear that you got a good response on your video!Will you ad one shock absorber to each wheel in the rear and have independent movement or just 2 to make it stronger?
I've been wandering about this type of track system for quite a long time. My one question is what about where on tbe chain? I would be using these tracks to plow gardens with so they would be doing lots of pulling. My concern is that the links would rub in to in a hurry.
Try extending that rear bracket by adding washers to the mounting bolts
You may want to add some pulling / towing features to your new rear frame. Steering brakes will still be useful when things get very slippery. Snow, mud, soft sand or clay, might require something more than the unpowered steering axle can give you.
True. I am going to try driving this around when the Maine Winter comes
A set of adjustable rollers between the drive tires and the bogy tires could be used to tension the tracks.
very cool machine you have there, both me and my grandpa own a 317, mine is all original with a blade, mower, and rototiller. my grandpas has been restored and has a newer engine in it and it only has a mower deck. i know that these little tractors pack a lot of power, ive pulled out the stuck (2015 JD D140) twice with the tractor in idle and it was fine!!! great invention!!! also is the blade 2, 4, or 6 way? my blade is original from Deere that is 4 way (up, down, right, left)
All you need is a lot more down pressure on the boggy axle. Putting more wheel weight only effects the traction at the main rear tire, to get the extra traction from the track it needs weight put on the boggy assembly.. That will take a bit more planing, the shock absorbers are a start but only that. A mechanism that exerts much more rear down force is the only way to have tracks do as they were intended.
I want to see it plow snow!
Iv got a Ford LT 12 tractor and I’m turning it into a 2 by 6 and built a goose neck trailer to go with it and I’m afraid I will burn the transmission out of it do you think it will hold up or no
I`ve got a front blade just like that!
Dr Draws want to get rid of it! Lol
What about using trailer axle hubs. A lot stronger and gives you more options. Cool build!
I will probably end up doing that. I was trying to be cheap, since I am still not sure how this will work out in the end.
I'm going to try and do this, would it be ok to mount the rear idler wheel pairs individually? And have some up and down play in the arm? Or would the play in the arm mess with the tracks?
Your idea would work great
How's the draw bar and 3point working out for you on the back.
Norman is there a current update on the half track?
We live about 30 minutes north of you in mountain country. Been thinking about building a front ski/rear track Wheelhorse.
If I could imagine the "pulling" power benefit, I don't get the end with a front blade ...
Get rid the snow on frozen lake ?
Definitely don't get it,
However thanks the update
"Norman"
Ok I got a john deer 318 (big upgrade from a 317 right lol) But I was wondering, can you make a video showing how to make some type of backhoe/ log grabber for it? something that can lift 100+lbs and easily stack it in a pile From the seat. I do A lot of wood work and If you can design a good grabber, I would like to fallow along and build my own! :)
Check out my series on building the Cub Cadet Tractor Loader Backhoe. I don't have any logs to grab here, but if I did I would make one!
Crazy cal .
Neat
I want to find a loader for my lgt 100. We have a brand new JD 1025r with a bucket loader but I want to have one for smaller really tight projects on my LGT 100.
I have a 7016h and I'm looking for a sickle mower. Please let me know if you can help with that. Thanks
Sorry I don't know of any available at this time
Instead of having your frame mount on the outside of the rear wheels, could you mount it in between the two rear wheels? That would keep your frame from sticking out and getting hung up on things.
I started a full track conversion on a JD 140, I started it several years ago and haven't had time to finish. I'm hoping to get back to it this winter. I ended up not liking my tension set up and I'm going to rebuild it. If you go to my TH-cam channel I have a short video of one side of the tracks working. The video is before I got the tension set up finished.
And don't feel bad about mixing brands, I have a JD 54" blade on a Bolens HT23 (also on my youtube) :)
Thanks for the tips. I will check out your videos. I put this half track on the back burner, while I do other projects. I will tackle it again when snow starts to build up here.
I recently picked up a few different brands of old machines that I am currently trying to pick a favorite as a lawn mower. Do you have a favorite brand/model? And if so why? For me so far it seams like a hard choice
It certainly is a hard choice. That's why I have so many! I haven't found one that is "perfect" in all areas.
I subscribed
Won't the truck shocks work as track tensioner
When can u make a vidoe of it working and pushing
I need help..I want a front end loader for my sears ss16..all original..can ya?
Www.loaderplans.com
Thank you sir..
7:00 the video starts👍🏻
Thanks for listening and watching me babble!
My friend has that same sweatshirt
Just a thought, could you use cat 1 top links for adjusters, you would have adjustment and articulation
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Where can I get the dozer blade
How about a 1970s model Jacobson hydrostatic I would love to take and restore it and fix the seat so I can move it back farther but that would ruin its original ality of it I've had it in the shop several times I have troubles occasionally with the carburetor would love to have somebody let me know where I can get parts for this tractor
More video of it working. Please add the link
Will that work on a John deer sabor I would like to do get tracks for it
The transaxle in a JD Saber would not be able to handle the extra traction imo.
Ok
Instead of truck shocks just use 2 gas springs on each side, like the ones from lift gate
I like your video I watched it and I've seen what you do with the hat rack and I think it's really cool and being that you have a love for small tractors you're not alone so do I I can tell you from experience that there is one particular tractor that you really go research and look for if you can find one I'll be hard to find but they're awesome and specially if you hook a little small single cylinder diesel engine to it too I think they have a 10-horse diesel there that's out there for it or a Kohler but anyhow cut to the chase this tractor is believe it or not called a Sears garden tractor I think it's like a 16 speed I believe has a high low range lever on the right side and it it it does have a clutch but the clutches basically disengaging Andrea gauging the belt tension but like I said it's believe it or not it's called a Sears garden tractor if you find it and you're able to obtain one in good condition you'll totally fall in love with it you think your John Deere is nice which it is you'll really love this tractor if you can find one trust me I know I have what I loved it and I'll never part with it good luck in your adventures oh PS I forgot to say it's actually called an ss16
Thanks for your comment!
You're very welcome
I got a 1965 cub cadet 102 with a Kohler k241as engine off my grandfather and all I had to do on it is the head because the sparkplug threads were striped in it and get a new ignition switch in it so I can start it plus I'm buying a 1945 Farmall H
Charles Rese Old Cub Cadets are awesome
I almost have it running and I was amazed with how little work I had to do to it nothing compared to my old ji case 741
I subscribed today. Cool channel. I currently have a scag zero turn mower, that cuts the lawn beautifully and quick, but the problem is it’s a one truck pony. I would love to get a cool garden tractor, that can be setup with a bucket, rear pro, and belly mower. Do you have a short list of a few models that you would recommend? I don’t know too much about them, and no way I’m spending 15k for a new one
Thanks for watching, subbing, and commenting! My favorite machines to recommend to people are based on the high availability of used parts, good engines, and ease of working on. With that in mind I recommend Wheel Horse Long Hood, and 300 series tractors. I recommend John Deere 140 H3, Cub Cadet 129, 149, 169. And the Ford LGT tractors. There are of course many others, but there are the top 3 I send people to.
isavetractors awesome, thanks for the info. I will def keep watching
Look at the track tension er on an snowmobile and recreate it on the idler wheels.
Good Call
With a good subframe that would probably be feasable. They are similar to motorcycles(complicated single swing arm I mentioned). The system is about twice the lenght of his and as it sits, there's no room for such a complicated setup. I've ran across similar issues designing halftracks. The size and design has limitations, but if executed the right way, the bogey wheels could be setup like the valute sprung wheel on M1 seriee usa halftracks...or maybe the elastometer suspension from a trailer could be made to work.
Nice job but on ford tractors and ferguson like to20 i have never seen them put the tracks to the back they put them forward ! but still very nice !
Kioti CS2410 goo.gl/images/CLri2C
Check out that. Its a Fordson Half Track
Cool never seen that one ! We have some at our tractor club but they went to the front ! have a great day ! Curt
Can you do a front end loader?
Already did. Check out the cub cadet 149 TLB playlist on our channel
Have you got plans for us ?
I don't. The project didn't work out that great. Just meh.
maybe... don't need sprocket ... just add a layer of piece rubber on the iron tread
You're going to really need to reevaluate the bogie wheel axle, as it sits with that simplistic design, you're going to keep bending them. You've got opposing tension on those wheels. It would be best if they were supported on both sides, which they usually are if not some heavy duty single sided swing arm like set up. I know you're trying to make it simple for "anybody" to make, but those would have to accept the tension limitations of the system how it sits.
Yes you're right. I put this project on the back burner and I am re-thinking it.
isavetractors I like what you're doing, I love...LOVE halftracks. Years ago there was a guy on here doing what you're doing and used another tractor axle as a dead axle. I want to build a road faring model one day, or restomod an american one.
possie traction would make all the difference
Lol they have posi track
i say get 220 volt welder if you own a home just wiring in 220v in my exuberance one that does any welding building at all will need to burn it in 110 just aggravates me i burnt up 2 of them lol
Oh yea I have been using a 220v 200 amp welder for a couple years now. Thanks for commenting
@@Isavetractors yep i was figuring i would say that for the YT watchers LOL i just killed my 220 volt china junker HF diodes welder a bit ago but ill fix that and add a capacitor asap ..lucky working like new is the ole Lincoln tombstone is still going it was pulled from junk yard with rotted wires and rust fixed that mess it will out last me ill bet...Thanks for your love of Ze rusty goodness
would love to see it push dirt?
I got a few tractors if sell
looks ok but realistically its gonna chew up the tires dirt rocks ect those tires will take a beating with that design. nothing you can rely on thats the main issue . so its a novelty waiting to fail . you would never be able to do real work with that. effectively a waste of steel
Maybe. In field testing its not proving its worth. Still the point of the video was to work on an experiment. For a future video I may be converting this back to a wheeled tractor and then turn the tracks into a real bad ass set of snow chains!
I see what you're saying about wearing on the tires! But give this some thought. People have used similar set ups for half track and full track swamp buggies for over 50 year's. I feel a sprocket drive would be a better way to go but I think that setup will last a long time. I do feel the rear axle needs to be redone with a stronger setup. Just my opinion!
Yea, I put this project on the back burner for now while i work on others, but when the snow comes down this winter, I will re-visit this. Thanks for watching.
Tires with cleats would improve it with out tracks.
You need a Chevrolet hoodie and get rid of the Found On Road Dead one because if you had a Chevrolet you would never go back to the ford
No joke. I seriously bought one because of your comment. I will try to remember to wear it on my next video
I've had a ford and two chevys. I'm on my second ford. They're both good companies, make good cars and shit cars. So far gm hasn't built a car as tough as my CVPI.
you good but you alot of speaking