Great video that was very well done. I live in rural Nebraska, corn country, therefore I’m familiar with the many old brands of tractors but not very familiar with garden tractors and didn’t realize Case was once a player. Hyd three point just like on the big tractors pretty awesome.
Great video Case and great information it was nice to hear about the history of the brand looks like an awesome garden tractor to me thanks for the video😁👍🚜💨🍳
Awesome video and history, Case! I keep looking for something like this online to have around the property, but so far I've been out of luck. Thanks for sharing :)
Ive got an old Ford 80.....8 horse power....32 inch mower deck that will mow cornstalks or stringy vine weeds and not flinch.. I built a front end loader and backhoe for it . Loader will lift over 1100 pounds 6 feet in the air with the bucket flat...also has quick attach bucket with pallet forks. Backhoe will dig 8 feet deep with bucket flat , dump at 8 feet high, and swivel full 180 degrees. Also has a snow blade that attaches to the loader allowing it to push snow into over 8 feet tall piles. I have used it to make a motocross track. Have pulled a tiller and didn't hardly know it was back there even at full depth in sod. Made a claw to go with the forks and when cleaning a property I was lifting brush piles the size of an average size car. Cultivators and the tiller will hook up and be used even with the backhoe on even though removing the backhoe is only 4 bolts and 2 hoses ..... 8 that's "eight" horse power single cylinder Kohler cast iron engine.
Tend to agree with you. Dad had low series, but I always wanted a big wheel version. Love my wheelhorse, but have to admit the case had a lot going for it. Someone mentioned bolens and gravely, even though the tractors seem around, finding attachments has been a bear here in midwest
Thank you sir. Wheelhorse made some real nice tractors as well. Many brands seem to be regional in regards to machines, and attachments availability. Thanks for watching 🙏
I have 4 Cases and 4 Large Frame Bolens. I prefer the Bolens but they are 50+ years old and harder to keep running. The Bolens foot pedal control is the best. Good Luck, Rick
I agree wholeheartedly I owned 2 case garden tractors in the early 90s. I owned a model 444 and a model 220 both were built like tanks. I used the 444 in my 1 1/2 acre garden. I had a plow, single row Cole planter, and a 25 gallon sprayer, used it for many years, fantastic machines. Finally needed a larger tractor so I sold them both and bought a larger 4x4 diesel tractor. The 444 is still running to this day, not sure about the 220 I never knew who ended up with it.
Hello Case. Just found and subbed your channel. I do own a Case 1985 446 now a parts machine. I also have a running 1983 Black Frame 446. Have owned them for 20+ years. Just repowered the 1983. Have a bunch of case/ingersoll attachments and love these machines.
Very nice. Thank you for that! 🙏 We have some videos showcasing them plowing snow and logging. I had a late 83’ 448 black frame that i sold a few years ago, and a 648 hyloader among others. They are great machines for sure.
Thanks for the hydraulic vs hydrostatic lesson, l did not know that. Explains the old gold Case with a hydraulic tiller on it. I think it was a 222 , but it had bigger tires.
Thank you for this valuable information. I'm extremely new to this. I didn't even know there was a difference between a riding mower and a garden tractor. 😳
What a great machine. Such a shame they do not make them like this anymore. I have been into the IH cub cadets for a long time but they just are not quite large enough. A few years ago I picked up a 1985 Bolens HT23. It’s a beast. Has 26” rear tires which helps a bit. I use it for my weekly mowing with a 54” deck. Unfortunately, the attachments are a pain to take on and off. I used to snow blow with a 48” two stage blower but now I just mow and haul stuff.
Thanks. I agree, the old “they don’t make them like they used to!” saying Certainly applies to garden tractors. I’ve seen a HT23 and a HT20 in person. They are definitely monsters!
@@BuildALotAcres Onan, has since been bought out by Cummins and they scrapped all the Onan engine line. Parts are hard to come by, and extremely expensive to.
Awesome job making your video on my favorite tractor as well. Just wondering why you don't iddel down the engine before shutting down and restarting. That's where you get the most engine ware. And also hydraulic pumps need a few seconds to circulate before being loaded to prevent ware and cavitation. But I really like your video again.
@BuildALotAcres I have 1968 Simplicity landlord. Tiller, mower deck, 25 gallon rear sprayer and front mount snow blower. Awesome tractor. It still was using points / condenser up until 3 weeks ago.
Thanks Samuel. For the majority of models, the 14hp and under Case tractors used Kohler’s, the 16hp and above used Onan’s. The newer Ingersoll’s started using Brigg’s Vanguards as well. Of course there are exceptions, but that’s generally what they used. My 448 has the original 18 hp Onan. Thanks for watching and commenting 🙏
You are correct, the little cases are the best,toughest,strongest little machines I have owned..throw the Onan away and sit a 4 cyl Wisconsin in it and a loader,dulys,cab and heat and air, can't beat the case..
My implement hook-up concern has more to do with how easy it is to unhook the belly mower deck and then hook-up another implement. A garden tractor that does it all, is typically used for the main mowing machine. I'm hesitant on buying a plow for my Gravely Pro 20M for that reason. A none abused Case like this one is hard to find. They commonly want a small fortune for them if you can find one. If they don't offer at least two implements with it, it's likely a no go for me.
I agree with everything you mentioned about the quality of the Case/IR tractors, they are beasts However the attachment compatibility took a hit when they turned the engine around & locked out all older attachments (front PTO powered) from the newer units & vice-versa. I have a 446 I bought new in 1972, well used over many years & I just recently "restored" it. I have had & have other 200 series tractors. Thanks for the History lesson also.
Great point about the engines being reversed. 🍻 They were offering a conversion kit for awhile to run older single letter snowcasters on newer machines. I don’t think the kits allowed the opposite if I remember correctly.
Saw information recently about why the change was made. Guess what, the government! Seems mandates were issued that the mower blades had to stop in a few seconds when turned off. Apparently the most practical way to achieve this was with electric clutches. It was problematic to adapt e-clutches to the flywheel side of engines, thus the change! I believe a mechanical style brake was tried with the original Case clutch but was abandoned after problems.@@BuildALotAcres
Very well done. I have an Ingersoll 4016 with the same blade you have. It's a beast when it comes to pushing snow. Their steering is about the only drawback. Kind of sloppy.
I am looking at ytour shop and your tools. That is all the evidence I need to convince me you know what you are talking about. That is the reason I subscribed.
I had a really nice older 446 that I put a replacement inmar in back 30 years ago. Loved the build quality but the lack of power steering, no diff lock and finicky pto led me to John Deere. Boy I loved those tall rims though
One big advantage for me about the Case hydraulic system vs others' hydrostatics is that if you don't like something about it, you can actually change it. You can swap pumps, swap valves, add valves, increase pressure to implement circuits, etc etc. It is all standard hydraulic stuff which is not exactly like Legos but if you are familiar with hydraulics you can modify it as you see fit. The hydrostatic systems have a pretty hard limit on pressure and flow, so while you can hook it up to whatever external implement you want, you're just not EVER going to be pushing it to 2000+ psi. With a Case, you could.
@@BuildALotAcres There is a 442 rolling chassis for sale near me. What would it take to get it up and running? I know an engine would be required, but could I "lego" together the hydraulics? Unfortunately, this would be my learning opportunity for hydraulics...so I wondered if I am getting into too much. I have experience swapping engines...just put a Vanguard in my Sears GT6000, but would like a GT with bigger tires to smooth the right out in rough field areas I want to mow with my tow behind rough cut mower.
@@jbmortensen The hydraulics aren’t overly complicated. They can be dangerous though if not done correctly. You want to make sure you have the reliefs set to the right pressures or you could blow lines. I’d recommend finding someone local who is familiar with the Case/Ingersoll line
@@jbmortensen You have a number of engine options, but the two best are: Onan B48, and the B&S 16hp from an old Sears or Snapper garden tractor. Both are opposed twins, and both have a crankshaft that can supply power from both ends. The Case PTO has the right hole spacing to fit both shafts.
@@marceldesrosiers4701 I believe MTD manufactured the White 1650 in the mid-late seventies. The 990’s go back to the early 70’s and were distributed under a number of brands, but were all made by MTD to my knowledge. At least that’s my understanding. Great question 👍
My biggest gripe with changing implements on my Deere 445 is that the deck has to be removed to put on a front plow… I assume this tractor would be the same? That is actually what takes the most time for me is removing the deck
Yes sir. The deck and plow on the Case/Ingersoll both use the same lift mechanism and share the same mule drive hook up points. I agree the deck is the toughest implement to install or un-install
I have an Ingersoll 3016 that keeps costing me money. Now the mower blades just stopped turning. I know it's not a belt problem. Costs $60 round trip just to have it transported.
@@BuildALotAcres For sure! I wish I had the mechanical talent and interest to make my Ingersoll perfect by myself. I have the time and even the money. I just don't have the interest. Maybe I can reform myself. I know it would be worth it. I do think they're great machines. I envy your expertise and interest. My life was spent in the arts. It always makes me nervous delving into something I know nothing about. I debated for about 10 mins. whether to try to diagnose the mower blade problem myself. Then I called the place where I bought the machine and had them come get it. I'm always put off by getting into something I can't see through. I know. It's me. 🤣
@@rogerroth9536 Nothing wrong with bringing it to a dealer. There used to be a lot of Case/Ingersoll dealers, so getting them serviced wasn't as big of a deal as it is now. It can be hard even finding someone to work on older machines now.
Can you tell me if their is any way i can hook up my k48 4foot snow blower to my ingersoll4016 to turn the auger the rite way it turns the wrong way?I have a case 446 in florida it has a onan engine on it and it turns the opposite direction as vangard 16 hp
Ingersoll used to offer a conversion kit to use single letter casters on the newer 4 digit tractors. They were pretty pricey though. I think your best option would be to sell the caster and find a SB model for your tractor
I'm surprised you don't see new mini tractors like that being sold, kids would go Ape if they opened up a crate on Christmas that had one of those mini tractors in it.
@@BuildALotAcres A brand like New Holland would a cool brand to purchase such a tractor. My local county fair has that company putting out cool tractors on display each year. The way to do it would be to put a mini tractor in a area where kids could do things such as pushing dirt and using a mini excavator attachment like how some playgrounds have a mini digger for a sandbox. The kid gets all excited and then when Christmas rolls around the kid has a tractor. It would have been cool of John Deere did this 10+ years ago but I wouldn't trust them to do things such as allowing parents to buy spare parts off of Amazon Prime. Oh man, the act of repairing their own little tractors would make them excited as well. The kids could use a roto tiller attachment for a large garden. Dad and the Kiddo could build a small "barn"(shed) which the kid could park & clean their tractor while having a place for the friends to hand out. If I were to have kids I would actually have their bedrooms be detached from the house with in-law suites. The in-law suites would have accommodation such as bathroom, kitchen, bedroom, office, and a living room.
I have a Craftsman T240 Turn Tight series tractor dry weight 630 pounds Kohler 7000 series 22 horsepower 725cc V Twin engine came with a 3 year unlimited hours warranty..Tuff torq K46 transmission 46" deck and built like a tank it's made to last
What brand and model of tire are you running on the front of your Ingersoll? I'm in the market for a couple new ones and like the looks of what you have there on yours.
@@BuildALotAcres that's what I thought they looked like. Been looking for a set of those for a while now and can't find a set of them in 16x6.50-6 anywhere in the US. Guess I'll have to go a different route?
@@BuildALotAcres you are correct about them being metric sized and I see Miller tire only has them in stock in the next size up unfortunately which is closer to an 18 inch x 7.5 inch tire unfortunately. Thank you for the quick replies, love your channel content.
That’s a tough question. Very different person to person. They were made for about 16 years. For me personally, I’d say 85-88. Full fenders, holding valve built into TCV, and better 3 point-HH34. I also prefer the orange/power red single color vs the earlier two tones
@@BuildALotAcres thanks for reply! I'm looking at a 85 446 in Midwest, has cab snowcaster, 2 46" decks, rear wheel weights, but pto stopped functioning for $1600, I think that's good price depending on how bad pto is. I'd like to get hands on a tiller too
I have a john deere 430gt and its a bit to big for my new house in certain areas. Guy offered me a clean 448 case with a plow and 48" mower deck. Would that be a fair trade with cash on his end?
@@jimbo8v92 I’d consider them both very capable garden tractors. The 430 has the big Yanmar diesel. The Case is a simpler design. Implements for the Case would be more plentiful and cheaper. It really comes down to what you and the other guy can agree to.
My first garden tractor I bought was a case, what sold me was the big tires on the back. I bought it brand new from a dealer with the biggest mower deck they made and a front blade to push snow. The first time I got it and mowed there was a hill in the back yard and I was FREE WHEELING down that hill. I called the dealership back up and told him what happened and he proceeded to tell me that on that hydrostatic lever there was an indent for forward or reverse, so when you down a steep hill make sure you run the engine full throttle and have it in the indent to keep you from free wheeling down the hill. He also told me that if that didn’t work that I would have to buy an additional pump for the tractor. I could never understand why case didn’t engineer that with the correct pump to start with so someone wouldn’t get hurt!! I sold it the next spring and bought a John Deere 430 and had it for 25 years. Night and day difference between the two, and I have nothing good to say about the case. Obviously the dealership had some responsibility for not being upfront about that issue and making it right!!
@@richardcrabb732 The issue you describe is a common complaint among new users. They started offering an add on holding valve kit in about 1979, and it was standard equipment built into the TCV starting in late 1985. I haven’t had any issues on my 21 acres. I’ve pulled 5x10 trailers full of 8-10 people on hayrides down hill and was fine. The 430 is much more complex to work on, and doesn’t share implements with many of the other models. I’m sure also considerably more money at the time. Both have positives and negatives. Sorry to hear you didn’t have a good experience with your Case.
These are great old tractors, but only if you have the time and know-how to fix them yourself. Old guys mechanically inclined and who like working on old tractors would love to keep an old Ingersoll alive and running good. I'm thinking of selling mine. Ingersoll 3016 with about 1100 hrs.
I don't think you'll have too much trouble selling it. I agree with your points. Its defintely a hobby that takes up time and often times money. New stuff is just built so cheaply, its almost throw away "quality". Anything "decently" built costs a fortune new, and is all computerized and about impossible to work on yourself.
I have two 3018 and 4018. Big drawback to design is hand actuated travel control vs foot, the slow travel speed for grass cutting, poor electrical design and higher gas consumption/parts availability on onan. I find myself using my 2007 Craftsman DGS6500 to cut my grass as it has higher travel speed and foot control. The DGS is considered inferior by some but its a good grass cutter and easy to work on and find parts.
This guy really loves his tractor. I mean he "really" loves his tractor. But not in a creepy way he's not gonna make sweet sweet love to it. I don't think he would anyway.
While I appreciate your passion, add a powerking to your fleet and I assure you that you will reconsider your best choice. Really no comparison. Having 3 that all are used and abused, I can assure you that they are one of the best.
The 3 i have: 66 model, 24" dual trans, newer hyd, 3pt hitch, blade and 48" mower. First one dad bought that got him hooked and then became a dealer. 72 model 16" with a kohler 18hp twin magnum in it. Also dual trans, 9.50 lugs on the rear, heavy weights all around, 3pt hitch, all new hyd system with newer front blade with hyd angle. A real nice working machine. 81 model, 2418 with the orig k361 with a loader. Also dual trans and a modified and improved front axle to deal with my abuse! Have all the stuff for power steering on this one, maybe tis winter proj... I use em, and push them hard, love my PK's!
@@MrFescue I assume you mean 4wd diesel machines. Not really comparable. For longevity, ease of maintenance, cost, and build quality, I’d disagree with your statement.
The Case IR were not even close to the best, the hydraulic drive was a horrible way to drive the tractor, they were no match to the Allis Chalmers 616-720 series
Case is not the best garden tractor you have bolens and the early troy bilt by bolens and johndeere and many more best modern day garden tractor is john deere and best modern day zero turn is scag!
Blasphemy!!! All kidding aside, there are many brands of classic GT’s that are all very well built and highly regarded. It’s all up to personal preference. Bolens made great machines no doubt about it. Thanks 👍
Gravely tops them all. It's difficult for me to say as I'm sitting here wearing my Case IH hat and my family owning a Case dealership for the past 50 years but Gravely garden tractors will out pull and out last all the others.
@@jameslandon4126 Gravely made an excellent product. No doubt about it. Sounds like you got to grow up around vintage tractors with the family business. That’s pretty cool!
Across the internet over the years opinions on superiority of case/ingersoll is not that strong. Several machines of that vintage are as food or better. They quit improving design after 3000 and 4000 series came out and market left it in the dust.
Not all Case/Ingersoll’s had Onan’s, many did not. Some Simplicity’s, like my Powermax do have an Onan. Now that Simplicity is also out of business you will likely see a big drop off in parts availability and prices will also increase
There were other Garden Tractors like the Ariens GT16H, GT17H, GT18H, and GT20H that had many features the Case did not have. Like front, middle, and rear hydraulic lifts. Front, middle, and rear shaft drive PTO's with electric clutches. The lifts utilized one hydraulic cylinder that could be switched from front, mid. and rear lifts and two separate electric PTO clutches. As well as power steering and a Dana rear end that was much strong than the Case rear end
I don’t know a whole lot about Ariens GT’s. Having the ability to select which rock shaft is used would be nice. Many Case/Ingersoll owners install selector valves to accomplish this. Certain models of CCI did have power steering from the factory. The rear end of the Case is pretty substantial. I’ve picked up 500 or so pounds on the 3 point, and hauled thousands of pounds in trailers many times. I appreciate you giving your opinion. Have you seen my biggest, baddest, garden tractors ever made video? th-cam.com/video/d-FMy3dOF80/w-d-xo.html I think you’d enjoy it. Thanks for watching and commenting 🙏👍
I have an MF 14 GARDEN TRACTOR HYDRO and it has a very responsive hydrostatic drive system anyway I like the shorter wheel size because a machine like yours would easily tip over around my hilly area much less advantage s with a tall tire around my home by far and my massey is much easier to get on and off then your tracktor is I know because my older friend has a tractor just like yours and I have a hard time getting on and off . My MASSEY has a hydraulic lift underneath the tractor my tractor is from 1970 built a few yrs before the model th at you have and my tractor would do circles around your tractor for sure so don't advertise a tractor that you can't back up I have very steep hills around my place and a tractor like yours would almost be useless because it would tip over to easy at my home.
This big wheel Case also does a great job logging! th-cam.com/video/eWB6761DQwA/w-d-xo.html
That’s why I like my gravely 16g professional.
Great video that was very well done. I live in rural Nebraska, corn country, therefore I’m familiar with the many old brands of tractors but not very familiar with garden tractors and didn’t realize Case was once a player. Hyd three point just like on the big tractors pretty awesome.
Thank you 🙏 They are pretty neat little tractors. Case wanted in on the gt action I guess 😂
Great video Case and great information it was nice to hear about the history of the brand looks like an awesome garden tractor to me thanks for the video😁👍🚜💨🍳
Thanks Mitch! It is indeed 👍
Bought my case 446 because of your recommendation. They are tanks.
Great video, I had a 446 Case when I was younger. Had a hydraulic tiller on it.
Very cool
Awesome video and history, Case! I keep looking for something like this online to have around the property, but so far I've been out of luck. Thanks for sharing :)
Thanks David. I found this one on CL. It was pretty bent. Had to heat it up and bend it straight again. Good to see you back my friend!
Where are you located? I’d gladly sell you my 446. I’m a single cylinder kinda guy, absolutely love my 444 and my 224
Ive got an old Ford 80.....8 horse power....32 inch mower deck that will mow cornstalks or stringy vine weeds and not flinch.. I built a front end loader and backhoe for it . Loader will lift over 1100 pounds 6 feet in the air with the bucket flat...also has quick attach bucket with pallet forks. Backhoe will dig 8 feet deep with bucket flat , dump at 8 feet high, and swivel full 180 degrees. Also has a snow blade that attaches to the loader allowing it to push snow into over 8 feet tall piles.
I have used it to make a motocross track.
Have pulled a tiller and didn't hardly know it was back there even at full depth in sod.
Made a claw to go with the forks and when cleaning a property I was lifting brush piles the size of an average size car.
Cultivators and the tiller will hook up and be used even with the backhoe on even though removing the backhoe is only 4 bolts and 2 hoses .....
8 that's "eight" horse power single cylinder Kohler cast iron engine.
Good evening Sir, OUTSTANDING VERY WELL DETAIL INFORMATIVE VIDEO 😇👌🧐👍 Great speedy demos for sure 😇👌 Cheers 🍻🍻
Thank you Dave. Appreciate it my friend 🫡
Tend to agree with you. Dad had low series, but I always wanted a big wheel version. Love my wheelhorse, but have to admit the case had a lot going for it. Someone mentioned bolens and gravely, even though the tractors seem around, finding attachments has been a bear here in midwest
Thank you sir. Wheelhorse made some real nice tractors as well. Many brands seem to be regional in regards to machines, and attachments availability. Thanks for watching 🙏
I have 4 Cases and 4 Large Frame Bolens. I prefer the Bolens but they are 50+ years old and harder to keep running. The Bolens foot pedal control is the best. Good Luck, Rick
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I agree wholeheartedly I owned 2 case garden tractors in the early 90s. I owned a model 444 and a model 220 both were built like tanks. I used the 444 in my 1 1/2 acre garden. I had a plow, single row Cole planter, and a 25 gallon sprayer, used it for many years, fantastic machines. Finally needed a larger tractor so I sold them both and bought a larger 4x4 diesel tractor. The 444 is still running to this day, not sure about the 220 I never knew who ended up with it.
Very cool Roger. My sons 220 is a little animal in the snow! th-cam.com/video/3SMCLtm82gE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=0jI7Fagwd1SXan3g
Hello Case. Just found and subbed your channel. I do own a Case 1985 446 now a
parts machine. I also have a running 1983 Black Frame 446. Have owned them for 20+ years. Just repowered the 1983. Have a bunch of case/ingersoll
attachments and love these machines.
Very nice. Thank you for that! 🙏 We have some videos showcasing them plowing snow and logging. I had a late 83’ 448 black frame that i sold a few years ago, and a 648 hyloader among others. They are great machines for sure.
Thanks for the hydraulic vs hydrostatic lesson, l did not know that. Explains the old gold Case with a hydraulic tiller on it. I think it was a 222 , but it had bigger tires.
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Thank you for this valuable information. I'm extremely new to this. I didn't even know there was a difference between a riding mower and a garden tractor. 😳
Yes sir. Its a common misconception. I actually did a video on that very topic. th-cam.com/video/gN3Emq1zrPI/w-d-xo.html
Great tractors . I got into them a couple years ago .
Yes sir. They sure are. Thanks for watching!
Love my ‘78 Case 446
its beautiful to look at
It sure is
What a great machine. Such a shame they do not make them like this anymore. I have been into the IH cub cadets for a long time but they just are not quite large enough. A few years ago I picked up a 1985 Bolens HT23. It’s a beast. Has 26” rear tires which helps a bit. I use it for my weekly mowing with a 54” deck. Unfortunately, the attachments are a pain to take on and off. I used to snow blow with a 48” two stage blower but now I just mow and haul stuff.
Thanks. I agree, the old “they don’t make them like they used to!” saying Certainly applies to garden tractors. I’ve seen a HT23 and a HT20 in person. They are definitely monsters!
I like Power King tractors. Have two of them, very reliable and very well build tractors.
Yes sir. The PowerKings look like real brutes. Are yours 16” or 24” models?
Iv had a few sears with the Onan twin . Love that engine in any garden tractor. It screams with tons of power
Yes sir. I’ve had quite a few different manufacturers of engines, including 4 Onan’s. Great smooth running torque monsters they are.
@@BuildALotAcres Onan, has since been bought out by Cummins and they scrapped all the Onan engine line. Parts are hard to come by, and extremely expensive to.
@@danbasta3677 Yeah, it was a sad day. They had some great engines though.
@@danbasta3677 Yeah, it was a sad day. They had sone great engines though.
My 448 has an engine out of a Sears SS16. Onan B48
Awesome job making your video on my favorite tractor as well. Just wondering why you don't iddel down the engine before shutting down and restarting. That's where you get the most engine ware. And also hydraulic pumps need a few seconds to circulate before being loaded to prevent ware and cavitation. But I really like your video again.
Yep I had a case 442 that was tractor that I really enjoyed
Very nice 👍
Great video Case.
Thanks Noel. I figured you would like it being a Case man 😁
Wonderful!
Thank you! 🙏
I love those tractors. Love the bigger tires.
Me too 👍 🚜
Case is a great garden tractor. Also Simplicity / Allis Chambers are great also. They made a ton of attachments for them
Yes sir. I have a Powermax and a Sunstar 👍
@BuildALotAcres I have 1968 Simplicity landlord. Tiller, mower deck, 25 gallon rear sprayer and front mount snow blower. Awesome tractor. It still was using points / condenser up until 3 weeks ago.
@@pineychristian Very nice. My father has 3-7117's and my brother has several old Simplicities, Allis's, and a County Squire.
@BuildALotAcres I've always wanted a Case also with rear Hydro for log splitting attachment. Seems really cool tractor and handy
I enjoyed watching this video man. What model of engine do they run in those, and how much weight will the 3-point pick up? - Samuel
Thanks Samuel. For the majority of models, the 14hp and under Case tractors used Kohler’s, the 16hp and above used Onan’s. The newer Ingersoll’s started using Brigg’s Vanguards as well. Of course there are exceptions, but that’s generally what they used. My 448 has the original 18 hp Onan. Thanks for watching and commenting 🙏
The HH34 three point hitch is rated at 600 lbs
You are correct, the little cases are the best,toughest,strongest little machines I have owned..throw the Onan away and sit a 4 cyl Wisconsin in it and a loader,dulys,cab and heat and air, can't beat the case..
My implement hook-up concern has more to do with how easy it is to unhook the belly mower deck and then hook-up another implement. A garden tractor that does it all, is typically used for the main mowing machine. I'm hesitant on buying a plow for my Gravely Pro 20M for that reason. A none abused Case like this one is hard to find. They commonly want a small fortune for them if you can find one. If they don't offer at least two implements with it, it's likely a no go for me.
That's why I own alice chalmers Onan engines bitch to get pts for
I agree with everything you mentioned about the quality of the Case/IR tractors, they are beasts However the attachment compatibility took a hit when they turned the engine around & locked out all older attachments (front PTO powered) from the newer units & vice-versa.
I have a 446 I bought new in 1972, well used over many years & I just recently "restored" it. I have had & have other 200 series tractors.
Thanks for the History lesson also.
Great point about the engines being reversed. 🍻 They were offering a conversion kit for awhile to run older single letter snowcasters on newer machines. I don’t think the kits allowed the opposite if I remember correctly.
Saw information recently about why the change was made. Guess what, the government! Seems mandates were issued that the mower blades had to stop in a few seconds when turned off. Apparently the most practical way to achieve this was with electric clutches. It was problematic to adapt e-clutches to the flywheel side of engines, thus the change!
I believe a mechanical style brake was tried with the original Case clutch but was abandoned after problems.@@BuildALotAcres
@@skip7243 I’m not surprised 😡
Very well done. I have an Ingersoll 4016 with the same blade you have. It's a beast when it comes to pushing snow. Their steering is about the only drawback. Kind of sloppy.
There are a few aftermarket steering upgrade kits you can get.
Spot on.
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I am looking at ytour shop and your tools. That is all the evidence I need to convince me you know what you are talking about. That is the reason I subscribed.
Thank you sir 🙏
I had a really nice older 446 that I put a replacement inmar in back 30 years ago. Loved the build quality but the lack of power steering, no diff lock and finicky pto led me to John Deere. Boy I loved those tall rims though
I hear you. Some of the newer model hi wheelers and many of the loader series had PS.
allis chalmers made them also or simplicity back in the day, the floating deck was the best mowing garden tractor on the planet.
One big advantage for me about the Case hydraulic system vs others' hydrostatics is that if you don't like something about it, you can actually change it. You can swap pumps, swap valves, add valves, increase pressure to implement circuits, etc etc. It is all standard hydraulic stuff which is not exactly like Legos but if you are familiar with hydraulics you can modify it as you see fit. The hydrostatic systems have a pretty hard limit on pressure and flow, so while you can hook it up to whatever external implement you want, you're just not EVER going to be pushing it to 2000+ psi. With a Case, you could.
True. Lots of people make custom projects out of the hydraulic system. The lack of a driveshaft also enables easier modifications
@@BuildALotAcres There is a 442 rolling chassis for sale near me. What would it take to get it up and running? I know an engine would be required, but could I "lego" together the hydraulics? Unfortunately, this would be my learning opportunity for hydraulics...so I wondered if I am getting into too much. I have experience swapping engines...just put a Vanguard in my Sears GT6000, but would like a GT with bigger tires to smooth the right out in rough field areas I want to mow with my tow behind rough cut mower.
@@jbmortensen The hydraulics aren’t overly complicated. They can be dangerous though if not done correctly. You want to make sure you have the reliefs set to the right pressures or you could blow lines. I’d recommend finding someone local who is familiar with the Case/Ingersoll line
@@jbmortensen You have a number of engine options, but the two best are: Onan B48, and the B&S 16hp from an old Sears or Snapper garden tractor. Both are opposed twins, and both have a crankshaft that can supply power from both ends. The Case PTO has the right hole spacing to fit both shafts.
I got a White GT 1650 with 15 inch and a Case 444 with 16 Inch
Those Whites are pretty cool. Modern MTD 990’s. I discussed them in my “Biggest, baddest garden tractors ever made” video. Thanks for watching 👍
Is it possible White Made them first and then was transfer to MTD
@@marceldesrosiers4701 I believe MTD manufactured the White 1650 in the mid-late seventies. The 990’s go back to the early 70’s and were distributed under a number of brands, but were all made by MTD to my knowledge. At least that’s my understanding. Great question 👍
My biggest gripe with changing implements on my Deere 445 is that the deck has to be removed to put on a front plow… I assume this tractor would be the same? That is actually what takes the most time for me is removing the deck
Yes sir. The deck and plow on the Case/Ingersoll both use the same lift mechanism and share the same mule drive hook up points. I agree the deck is the toughest implement to install or un-install
Also have a husky bolens large fame tractor if it's a 4x4 I would have liked it a hole lot better on the home sted
I have an Ingersoll 3016 that keeps costing me money. Now the mower blades just stopped turning. I know it's not a belt problem. Costs $60 round trip just to have it transported.
That could be said of any vintage garden tractor though.
@@BuildALotAcres For sure! I wish I had the mechanical talent and interest to make my Ingersoll perfect by myself. I have the time and even the money. I just don't have the interest. Maybe I can reform myself. I know it would be worth it. I do think they're great machines. I envy your expertise and interest. My life was spent in the arts. It always makes me nervous delving into something I know nothing about. I debated for about 10 mins. whether to try to diagnose the mower blade problem myself. Then I called the place where I bought the machine and had them come get it. I'm always put off by getting into something I can't see through. I know. It's me. 🤣
@@rogerroth9536 Nothing wrong with bringing it to a dealer. There used to be a lot of Case/Ingersoll dealers, so getting them serviced wasn't as big of a deal as it is now. It can be hard even finding someone to work on older machines now.
Case Ingersoll are fantastic machines, but the cub cadet garden tractors give them a really big run for their money! Great video.
Thank you 🙏
ooh I dont know about that, only thing would be the Cub, 140 or Cub low boy
The old ones
@@daleolson3506 any of the shaft drive Cubs i should say, the only Cub Cadet Garden Tractors made.
Can you tell me if their is any way i can hook up my k48 4foot snow blower to my ingersoll4016 to turn the auger the rite way it turns the wrong way?I have a case 446 in florida it has a onan engine on it and it turns the opposite direction as vangard 16 hp
Ingersoll used to offer a conversion kit to use single letter casters on the newer 4 digit tractors. They were pretty pricey though. I think your best option would be to sell the caster and find a SB model for your tractor
I'm surprised you don't see new mini tractors like that being sold, kids would go Ape if they opened up a crate on Christmas that had one of those mini tractors in it.
I know I would 😁
@@BuildALotAcres A brand like New Holland would a cool brand to purchase such a tractor. My local county fair has that company putting out cool tractors on display each year.
The way to do it would be to put a mini tractor in a area where kids could do things such as pushing dirt and using a mini excavator attachment like how some playgrounds have a mini digger for a sandbox.
The kid gets all excited and then when Christmas rolls around the kid has a tractor.
It would have been cool of John Deere did this 10+ years ago but I wouldn't trust them to do things such as allowing parents to buy spare parts off of Amazon Prime.
Oh man, the act of repairing their own little tractors would make them excited as well.
The kids could use a roto tiller attachment for a large garden.
Dad and the Kiddo could build a small "barn"(shed) which the kid could park & clean their tractor while having a place for the friends to hand out.
If I were to have kids I would actually have their bedrooms be detached from the house with in-law suites.
The in-law suites would have accommodation such as bathroom, kitchen, bedroom, office, and a living room.
I have a Craftsman T240 Turn Tight series tractor dry weight 630 pounds Kohler 7000 series 22 horsepower 725cc V Twin engine came with a 3 year unlimited hours warranty..Tuff torq K46 transmission 46" deck and built like a tank it's made to last
I don’t know too much about the newer stuff. Sounds like a good machine 👍
I dont get why people compare lawn tractors to garden tractors and SCUTs. People need to be educated on what they have.
Come back in 100 hours. Update us on your tank.
What brand and model of tire are you running on the front of your Ingersoll? I'm in the market for a couple new ones and like the looks of what you have there on yours.
Vrededstein V61’s.
@@BuildALotAcres that's what I thought they looked like. Been looking for a set of those for a while now and can't find a set of them in 16x6.50-6 anywhere in the US. Guess I'll have to go a different route?
@@allenpatterson5546 They are a European tire. Dutch maybe. I believe they list them in metric sizing. Miller Tire used to have them
www.millertire.com/16x6-50-8-v61-hd-5-rib-170-60-8-implement-tire-6-ply/
@@BuildALotAcres you are correct about them being metric sized and I see Miller tire only has them in stock in the next size up unfortunately which is closer to an 18 inch x 7.5 inch tire unfortunately. Thank you for the quick replies, love your channel content.
What years were consided best years of the case 446?
That’s a tough question. Very different person to person. They were made for about 16 years. For me personally, I’d say 85-88. Full fenders, holding valve built into TCV, and better 3 point-HH34. I also prefer the orange/power red single color vs the earlier two tones
@@BuildALotAcres thanks for reply! I'm looking at a 85 446 in Midwest, has cab snowcaster, 2 46" decks, rear wheel weights, but pto stopped functioning for $1600, I think that's good price depending on how bad pto is. I'd like to get hands on a tiller too
What type of tires do you have on the front of your tractor.
Vredestein V61.
the john deere and ford yanmar models super tough
I have a john deere 430gt and its a bit to big for my new house in certain areas. Guy offered me a clean 448 case with a plow and 48" mower deck. Would that be a fair trade with cash on his end?
Hard to say as it’s very dependent on your local area and the market.
@@BuildALotAcres im in central pa. Jd 430's are around 3k. Dont know much about the cases. Seem like a stout machine though
@@jimbo8v92 I’d consider them both very capable garden tractors. The 430 has the big Yanmar diesel. The Case is a simpler design. Implements for the Case would be more plentiful and cheaper. It really comes down to what you and the other guy can agree to.
My first garden tractor I bought was a case, what sold me was the big tires on the back. I bought it brand new from a dealer with the biggest mower deck they made and a front blade to push snow. The first time I got it and mowed there was a hill in the back yard and I was FREE WHEELING down that hill. I called the dealership back up and told him what happened and he proceeded to tell me that on that hydrostatic lever there was an indent for forward or reverse, so when you down a steep hill make sure you run the engine full throttle and have it in the indent to keep you from free wheeling down the hill. He also told me that if that didn’t work that I would have to buy an additional pump for the tractor. I could never understand why case didn’t engineer that with the correct pump to start with so someone wouldn’t get hurt!!
I sold it the next spring and bought a John Deere 430 and had it for 25 years. Night and day difference between the two, and I have nothing good to say about the case. Obviously the dealership had some responsibility for not being upfront about that issue and making it right!!
@@richardcrabb732 The issue you describe is a common complaint among new users. They started offering an add on holding valve kit in about 1979, and it was standard equipment built into the TCV starting in late 1985. I haven’t had any issues on my 21 acres. I’ve pulled 5x10 trailers full of 8-10 people on hayrides down hill and was fine. The 430 is much more complex to work on, and doesn’t share implements with many of the other models. I’m sure also considerably more money at the time. Both have positives and negatives. Sorry to hear you didn’t have a good experience with your Case.
What model is this one ?
1986 448
What model is that?
448
Have a 3012 Ingersoll and a 1978 case 222 love em!
Very nice!
Thanks for posting. What tire and size do you have on the rear?
8-16. Tires are about 31” tall. These are a foreign made R1 ag tire. The brand is Harvest King, model “All Traction Field and Road”
You didn't mention Wheel Horse. Bad hat!
I mention them in this video! th-cam.com/video/d-FMy3dOF80/w-d-xo.htmlsi=rebB0Sz7o8QbO2j4
These are great old tractors, but only if you have the time and know-how to fix them yourself. Old guys mechanically inclined and who like working on old tractors would love to keep an old Ingersoll alive and running good. I'm thinking of selling mine. Ingersoll 3016 with about 1100 hrs.
I don't think you'll have too much trouble selling it. I agree with your points. Its defintely a hobby that takes up time and often times money. New stuff is just built so cheaply, its almost throw away "quality". Anything "decently" built costs a fortune new, and is all computerized and about impossible to work on yourself.
I have two 3018 and 4018. Big drawback to design is hand actuated travel control vs foot, the slow travel speed for grass cutting, poor electrical design and higher gas consumption/parts availability on onan. I find myself using my 2007 Craftsman DGS6500 to cut my grass as it has higher travel speed and foot control. The DGS is considered inferior by some but its a good grass cutter and easy to work on and find parts.
This guy really loves his tractor. I mean he "really" loves his tractor. But not in a creepy way he's not gonna make sweet sweet love to it. I don't think he would anyway.
C’mon man. Don’t do me dirty like that 🤣🤣
I like my economy power king 1617. Hasn't let me down
The hump is the frame
Maybe in some tractors.
Ya better keep that steering gear greased real good.
While I appreciate your passion, add a powerking to your fleet and I assure you that you will reconsider your best choice. Really no comparison. Having 3 that all are used and abused, I can assure you that they are one of the best.
I’d love to get a PK. I see them for sale locally once in awhile. Are yours 16” or 24” rears?
The 3 i have: 66 model, 24" dual trans, newer hyd, 3pt hitch, blade and 48" mower. First one dad bought that got him hooked and then became a dealer.
72 model 16" with a kohler 18hp twin magnum in it. Also dual trans, 9.50 lugs on the rear, heavy weights all around, 3pt hitch, all new hyd system with newer front blade with hyd angle. A real nice working machine.
81 model, 2418 with the orig k361 with a loader. Also dual trans and a modified and improved front axle to deal with my abuse! Have all the stuff for power steering on this one, maybe tis winter proj...
I use em, and push them hard, love my PK's!
@@chriscollins9719 They sound like great machines. Pretty cool that you dad became a dealer.
Why did this pop up.
I'm looking for Power King.
The Power King 16” models and the Case/Ingersoll Hi Wheelers look very similar. A few people have commented about Power King
Hard to get parts
Same with almost all older equipment. Maybe except Deere, but you pay dearly $$$
You haven't owned a Gravely?!?!
I have not. I know they are very stout and highly regarded though. My cousin had a 8163-B👍
I have both. Excellent. But need a dif lock like my Bolens hydro
Kabota would be a better option
My brother has a G6200. It’s a hell of a machine 👍
Modern equipment runs circles around case/ingersoll
@@MrFescue I assume you mean 4wd diesel machines. Not really comparable. For longevity, ease of maintenance, cost, and build quality, I’d disagree with your statement.
Hey Bro- cover your loose insulation overhead- not healthy! Miss my cub cadet and lowboy!
Not all tractors have variable
I prefer Speedex tractors.
The Case IR were not even close to the best, the hydraulic drive was a horrible way to drive the tractor, they were no match to the Allis Chalmers 616-720 series
I did a video on the Powermax tractors I think you’ll enjoy th-cam.com/video/JP_RkAXKDa0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=TGqZlHkHto_1SIr9
@@BuildALotAcres I'll watch it thx
JOHN DEERE 318 would better
Case is not the best garden tractor you have bolens and the early troy bilt by bolens and johndeere and many more best modern day garden tractor is john deere and best modern day zero turn is scag!
Blasphemy!!! All kidding aside, there are many brands of classic GT’s that are all very well built and highly regarded. It’s all up to personal preference. Bolens made great machines no doubt about it. Thanks 👍
Gravely tops them all. It's difficult for me to say as I'm sitting here wearing my Case IH hat and my family owning a Case dealership for the past 50 years but Gravely garden tractors will out pull and out last all the others.
@@jameslandon4126 Gravely made an excellent product. No doubt about it. Sounds like you got to grow up around vintage tractors with the family business. That’s pretty cool!
Across the internet over the years opinions on superiority of case/ingersoll is not that strong. Several machines of that vintage are as food or better. They quit improving design after 3000 and 4000 series came out and market left it in the dust.
I wouldn't run a tractor in an enclosed area for even a minute.
No there not the best tractor glad u enjoy onan not the best engine to get pts 4 very pricy i own symplicity 30 plus years way better
Not all Case/Ingersoll’s had Onan’s, many did not. Some Simplicity’s, like my Powermax do have an Onan. Now that Simplicity is also out of business you will likely see a big drop off in parts availability and prices will also increase
I’ll stick with my Wheel Horse and John Deere
Both great choices. Hard to go wrong with any vintage GT really. Thanks for watching 👍
Only thing similar in build quality is a gravely.
@@markusluukko Yes. Gravely had some incredibly rugged machines no doubt.
There were other Garden Tractors like the Ariens GT16H, GT17H, GT18H, and GT20H that had many features the Case did not have. Like front, middle, and rear hydraulic lifts. Front, middle, and rear shaft drive PTO's with electric clutches. The lifts utilized one hydraulic cylinder that could be switched from front, mid. and rear lifts and two separate electric PTO clutches. As well as power steering and a Dana rear end that was much strong than the Case rear end
I don’t know a whole lot about Ariens GT’s. Having the ability to select which rock shaft is used would be nice. Many Case/Ingersoll owners install selector valves to accomplish this. Certain models of CCI did have power steering from the factory. The rear end of the Case is pretty substantial. I’ve picked up 500 or so pounds on the 3 point, and hauled thousands of pounds in trailers many times. I appreciate you giving your opinion. Have you seen my biggest, baddest, garden tractors ever made video?
th-cam.com/video/d-FMy3dOF80/w-d-xo.html
I think you’d enjoy it. Thanks for watching and commenting 🙏👍
I ended up doing a video on the Ariens GT line after a friend requested it. th-cam.com/video/3HlcBelD9Wc/w-d-xo.html
I have an MF 14 GARDEN TRACTOR HYDRO and it has a very responsive hydrostatic drive system anyway I like the shorter wheel size because a machine like yours would easily tip over around my hilly area much less advantage s with a tall tire around my home by far and my massey is much easier to get on and off then your tracktor is I know because my older friend has a tractor just like yours and I have a hard time getting on and off . My MASSEY has a hydraulic lift underneath the tractor my tractor is from 1970 built a few yrs before the model th at you have and my tractor would do circles around your tractor for sure so don't advertise a tractor that you can't back up I have very steep hills around my place and a tractor like yours would almost be useless because it would tip over to easy at my home.
You should have showed that with a better view instead of the plow side . Thanks
I have several other videos showing it from every angle a man could dream of 👍
@@BuildALotAcres will do
Wheel horses are the best
looking at an old case tractor. i want to send you a pic of it for your oponion . send me your email address thanks.
My email is in my about information