First story: was one of the few people on reddit that told OP not to reconcile with his daughter. I got called out on it. Now OP‘s daughter is also known as a cheater.
ST1 "She told me I was abusive." "She told me she's incredibly sorry for what she did and will do anything to make up for it, even if it takes the rest of her life to do so." OK OP's ex-wife, if OP was so abusive to you why do you want to stay with him, stay married to him if again he was sooooooooooooooooo abusive, oh that's right his money.
I remember Story 1, iirc a lot of commentors were saying that OP should forgive the daughter because she was "brainwashed" 🙄... But OP did make a update saying that he's not going to reach out to her because he doesn't want to open old wounds again... But, guess what people... the daughter actually discovered the story on reddit and commented apologizing, but the internet being undefeated, some people did some digging into her account and it turns out she's a cheater too and advocated for it in cheater subs 😂. She got called out so bad that she deleted her account 🤣
It's literally their job to try to push two people back together even when one is very clearly not having it. It is the nature of court appointed couples therapy. It's kindof like public defenders. They sometimes have to defend the most deplorable people in court, because it's their job.
Maybe I’m a heartless man but if my wife cheated on me then tried to kill herself because I wouldn’t take her back I simply wouldn’t care. Mother of my children or not killing yourself because then person you hurt doesn’t want anything to do with you is selfish and manipulative.
Depending on the method, you'd actually be able to tell if it were a true attempt or for attention. People need to learn this and stop supporting attention seekers.
People attempt suicide and pseudo suicide (the attempt without intention of actually dying for “attention”) for lots of complicated reasons including (maybe in part or entirely) to manipulate the other. That she did it late at night and, apparently, cut her wrists deeply enough to need six hours of surgery makes me think she probably really was trying to die. Regardless, it’s not that unreasonable for him to be concerned for the sake of the children if nothing else. Even if she *was* acting with the exclusive purpose of manipulating him, she needs serious mental help and her death would just hurt the kids.
Story 2... I would report any therapist that actually recommends allowing cheating. Maybe if she wouldn't have made the wife the victim from the get go and told him he should have let her get her jollies off any time she felt the calling... then encouraged him to take her back... Maybe she would have been forced to face reality sooner and get real help
Exactly. Plus, when OP's daughters hit 18, they'll disappear on their cheating mother, date/marry guys who complete opposites of OP (the first two, unfaithful to the oldest daughters, and the other two, abusive to the youngest daughters), have kids with those parasites, then, flee their toxic relationships/marriages, move to other states for a fresh start, take college courses and persue careers, to provide better lives for themselves and their one-parent households, and instead of ever finding new love, just like OP has, the girls will need to stay away from dating and potential new partners, concentrate on raising their kids, and creating stable home environments for them, as good single moms⚠️
Second story, the woman should have cut off contact with her "friend" after one suggestion of cheating, no point in having friends if they are trying to destroy their friend's marriage and Trying to brainwash, They are toxic
Same here. And when the daughter ends up being cheated on by her husband or boyfriend, and having to raise their kid as a single mother, she'll try to contact OP, and beg him to take her and her kid in, but he'll tell her to kick rocks.⚠️
It's fucking insane that the Ghoul in Story 1 got four years of Spousal Support after all that, at least OP got her fired so she actually needed it to survive and couldn't blow it on posh clothes or girl's nights out
It's just the law. If she had been the major earner and Op had whored around like that, HE would be the one getting spousal support, because it is not about emotions or fault, unless there is a prenup. And even with a prenup, when people have been married for that long without an updating or amendment, the original prenup details may be modified to not leave the one spouse destitute. Because if that spouse is destitute, who pays the bill? You got it, the government. That isn't going to happen.
@@abstractrose2673Not really. When my parents divorced back in the early 2000s my dad had this same mindset, only to be told most fathers get “screwed over” cause they never bothered to fight. When my dad asked for full custody and successfully got it for years, until he willingly gave my mom more custody, he realized just how true that statement was. Apparently it wasn’t that much of a fight once he made it clear he wanted custody 😅 Not to say that’s what happens in every case, as some father do just get screwed, but more often than not that isn’t the case. It’s usually fathers who barely tried to fight and were “shocked” when they didn’t get anything they “wanted.”
Story 1: Do not reconcile with your wife, SIL, MIL, and daughter! You should not have had to pay spousal support! I am glad that you got your ex and her AP fired with evidence of their wrongdoing! It serves OPs daughter right that her friends have shunned her!
"I just looked at the counselor and asked if she was smoking Crack because that was the dumbest thing that could have come out of her mouth." Amen, brother! ❤
And other news is that water is wet.Ofcourse,she's a woman who was whoring around while married,she's gonna be treated like a baby who can do no wrong and deserves nothing but luxury by the court
"Marriage counciling either needs to be abolished or, STOP HIRING BIASED ONE SIDED PEOPLE INTO ITS DEPARTMENT! 2nd story really pissed me off; especially that so-called "marriage councilor"!
The second story feels real and not a cliché' writing exercise. Mainly because suicidal people can oftentimes appear very happy and at peace when they decide to end it all, and that's how the Ex-Wife was described before her attempt. Coupled with the spiraling actions RIGHT before the turn-around. That's pretty accurate.
S1 sorry to hear how new wife is a bad one too. He needs to divorce me wife before it's too late. If she's defending the psycho ex then she's compromised too. Cheating women defend cheaters. That's how it works. If new wife really loves op she'd see the ex as the filth she is.
Yes.I don't know how OP didn't already see that,but hey I guess he just didn't want the courts to ruin his life a second time because his wife can't keep her legs closed
Story 1 this op went full savage after the humiliating life he lived with them all the sacrifice all the effort just for three wife and daughter to treat him like 💩💩💩💩💩. Finally after reading the phone he broke and he divorced the cheating 304 and the ungrateful daughter. And the gall for that little pos to call him dad and to ask for forgiveness. And the new wife sigh she doesn't grasp the concept of what he suffered to suggest reconciliation with the daughter and I agree 💯 with him in not having her in his life anymore. Story 2 this is how you manage infidelity and the self harming episode was just a desperate attempt for her to draw attention to see if he would forgive her Pathetic
For the story 2, I agree many women do that only for attention but for what I read,she really wanted to end her life. The letters, the fact she BARELY survives and didn't want to talk to anyone after she waked up is not really "wanted to draw attention"
@@nancestpasmoi1834Not wanting to talk with anyone is probably a better way to get attention than immediately giving a yappachino to the next person you see.
If she had just swallowed pills, as women who attempt suicide are statistically more presdisposed to do, then yes I would agree it was likely for attention. Men typically go for the ole gun barrel solution so its more final. Slitting your wrists is really not a plea for attention, if she cut properly. Which it sounds like she did by the description he gave. She really did want to end herself. The listlessness following her waking up could, in part, be her being upset she survived. Another possibility is the anesthesia since in some people it leaves you in a fog for a few days. It could be both. It's difficult to judge from what little information he provides.
Honestly, first story op needs to tell the new wife if she doesn't stop pushing for him to help the ex that he will have 2 ex wives. Second story... don't give them a second chance. EVER
Story 1: if I were OP the moment his daughter mentioned that her friends abandoned him after what she did to him I would retort, "Yeah because unlike you they have a moral compass". I would also stick it more to Sil, telling her that she must be high if she thinks she can call me a villain for simply airing out dirty laundry. Dirty laundry that she waa hoarding mind you😂
First OP has nothing to apologize for. EFF all these miserable traitors. Stay NC with the daughter of woe, and warn his new wife she know of the depth of his betrayal. And to stay in her lane.
S1: how did she get all that money? I’m going to assume like mother, like daughter. She’s doing more than just working at a part time job🤦🏽. Don’t let them back into your life, they will just betray you again. You are happy, stay happy S2: the marriage counselor needs to be fired. Why do they always say it’s the husbands fault? If he’s unhappy it’s his fault, if the wife is unhappy it’s also your fault. Who wants to bet the counselor is in an Open/Poly relationship or into the lifestyle? Also of course the ex decided to off herself, simpathy points. It’s all about her, and if it can’t be about her or she can’t get her old life back, then she’ll make everyone as miserable as her bc misery loves company.
you dont need enemies with chids like that. OP doesnt own her anything!! she deserves it all, bc she didnt just kenew about the cheating she supported it and treat op like shit. Let karma take its course!
S2: i wouldn’t ask if she’s alright, id just say: “i don’t care what’s going on with you, just dont K yourself, you made enough ppl feel miserable, dont make someone have to clean up your blood, thats as selfish as you get”
First story is the perfect example of seeing red flags and acting like your color blind jeez. Nah I don’t feel bad for the daughter in any capacity. She treated him like shit for years. What happened was just the cherry on top.
Story 1 is quite "something"... Given how OP's daughter started to turn hostile 9 years before the divorce already, and 5 years before the 1 "known" affair started, there's probably more to it than what is known to the OP. The instances when OP inheritted from passed-away relatives, and his ex's behaviour in those cases, also points to that. He did whatever he could to be a good husband and father, only to be his "family's" laughing stock for years. Now, to his daughter's credit, she "atleast" realized how hard she had fcked up when OP had found out about the affair, even before being cut off by her back-then friends; that doesn't absolve her form having known and covered the whole thing for years, and quite obviously being totally fine with that situation. Her attempt to atleast financially compensate OP eventhough she herself lives in precarious circumstances now indeed shows remorse (she's not exactly in a situation that'd make it easy to save up 20k, let alone allow to give such a sum away). Wether OP has it in him - or not - to forgive is something only he can ever know; if he still cares for his daughter, he should reconnect for his own sake - it'd eat him alive otherwise. If he doesn't - she did that to herself, and is old enough to bear the consequences of her own actions. As for the "build bridges to the ex-wife" as OP's wife suggests: No. That woman did her "best" to utterly destroy and ruin him. And, unlike their daughter, she can't even put the blame for her actions onto her toxic mother who would've alienated her from OP. p.s.: I genuinly don't understand "why" OP was sentenced to pay ANY "spousal support". While there is usually no "principle of guilt" in divorce proceeding any more nowadays, there's still the tenet of "gross injustice" that absolves a cheated-on spouse from any obligations in regards of alimony.
I don't get why the principle of guilt, 'at fault', has been done away with in so many places. If you're the one who breaks the vows of your marriage, you damn well are the guilty party in causing the break-up of the marriage and should suffer the consequences for it.
@@gideonroos1188 Well, it came with a number of implications: 1. It was the sole reason "why" a marriage could be absolved. Spouses could outright hate each other, as long as there was no cheating, a marriage would stay "intact", with no way out. This would've been a direct consequence of the ten commandments, namely No.6. 2. It affected every single aspect of the shared life: In other words, a cheater would lose a) alimony, b) pension adjustment, c) any right on shared assets (even if the spouse didn't even spend a cent on it, as long as something was purchased during the marriage, it would've been gone), and d) last but definitely not least: custody. A cheater could never obtain custody - even if the spouse was the most-abusive prick on the planet, beating the kids black and blue daily: cheated on? Sole "guardian". (Now, this is how the "principle of guilt" worked in "my" place (i'm german) when it was still applied (it got abolished sometime in the 1970's). Can't tell whether it's exact ramifications were different elsewhere.)
6:39 how many red flags does this guy need to get out of a relationship/marriage geez. She wants her inheritance and she wants everything you have which is your joint account and house. She's a gold digger and you're too dumb to realize it from the beginning lol. Or rather halfway since you have a kid
I wouldn't have requested a counselor at all,because 99% of all counselors seem to be feminists or misandrists,not like those two words haven't become synonymous.
I disagree. That counselor should never have been certified because she was too focused on "fixing" the marriage and not enough on his feelings. There are good marriage counselors who actually listen to both parties and help them to communicate. Even if it is to communicate an amicable divorce.
@classicrokkid345 kid I've heard numerous stories like this. Where the counselor tries to gaslight the husband into thinking its his fault his wife cheated.
Story 2 I'm happy OP got community service. Because in another story, the betrayed husband got 10 years for beating the AP. It didn't help that he nearly ended the guy and the cheating wife somehow made things worse when she tried to support her husband that she betrayed. Thankfully, he got out early, the cheater's brother worked at the prison to help protect him, and he then started a relationship with the AP's wife. All while the cheater is still facing life, nearly alone. But still it seemed unfair that he got sent to punished when the other guy shouldn't have been messing with a married woman while he was married with a kid on the way.
Im sorry they made this man pay his cheating wife. I'm sorry im saying it... If This Man was the one cheating, He would pay Spoual support, alimony child support and wouldn't see his daughter. And maybe even ridicule him.
Society would literally make him unlike himself if I'm being honest,but since she was a woman,she gets a free pass on everything,it's called screwing the judge
Heard this one before. The new wife should stay in her lane, unless she wants to be the next ex wife. The daughter is a lost cause and OP should have taken her money, then ghosted her. Give the brat a taste of her own medicine.
Story 1: I still find his reaction to the AP's mom's death ridiculous. Of course he should've known that would happen. He knew she had a heart disease, of course any stress was going to kill her.🤦
Story 2 - I don't feel bad for the unfaithful wife Debbie. She destroyed her 27 yrs of marriage even worse she lost the qualifications of a wife and mother. The love of her husband and kids are dead. She allowed her so called friends manipulated her to had a affair for 4 months yes she married young but that's not the excuse to cheat also she didn't made a mistake she made a decision. If it was reverse that a husband is house husband and wife works. It's the same result if one of the spouse cheats and the worse kids will hate their parent for the rest of their life. The marriage counselor should be revoked i bet she had 4 failed marriage. 1st husband divorced he fell out of love for her. 2nd husband cheated on her and left her. 3rd husband ghost her with a note telling her she was toxic and narcissist he's done with her. 4th husband kicked her out of his home letting her know that she's too much of a blame shifter
Listen to story 1 was super frustrating this dude let this go on for waaay to long. I don't understand why gather the evidence just for her to get 50/50 and alimony smh
Istg I bet u if op cheated in story 2 and Debbi wanted the divorce th councilor would be encouraging Debbi to get the divorce that's just fucked up the councilor is supposed to be neutral about divorce not being a bitch to op about it
Well, to be fair, it is "marital counseling" made mandatory by his country, he isn't "her client" but the state is, she doesn't fear demotion so there is no repercussion for her to be impartial and professional at all, she gets paid either way, he should've taken in some effort to report her behavior, she for sure will end up destroying more lives with her attitude. (imo, perhaps she forcing them to reconcile is a way to boost her numbers of "couples which she fixed" instead of being an empathetic human being)
S1, NTI, Action, reaction, every decision has consequences, if your ex wife and daughter wanted to make decisions, they should be responsible for the consequences
From my experience, some PEOPLE take kindness for weakness. I have more examples from my life of men who supposedly were family who abused my kindness. But I don't want to generalise as I know people are different and see others differently
@@naszatadon’t waste your time. People are either extremely on one side or the other. When it’s the guy that’s being a pos all of sudden it’s all men, when it’s a woman all of a sudden it’s all women. People fail to realize that we are people, some with overlapping characteristics regardless of gender. It’s tiring seeing ppl trying to force one thing or another solely on one gender. 😮💨🤦🏾♀️ We all are humans and as humans we are flawed.
@@chinaking918 The guy with the first comment is right. There are some things that women do more some that men do more. But if you are weak there is no woman on earth that you love or respect you
Op didn't destroyed his family, his wife and daughter did, when his wife had it off with someone eles and his daughter picked her and her affair partner, this is just the bed they made, to late now to try and get out of it.
Story 1: I'd be willing to try and rebuild a relationship with the daughter. Not saying I'd forget what happened, but I'd be willing to at least try to see if she's truly changed. The daughter had been cruel to OP for most of her life. It's clear that the ex and in-laws pretty much brainwashed her from the beginning to be who she was. Having most of a decade of being disowned and shunned by pretty much everyone, friends and family, in your life can have a profound impact on you. If she has had any kind of therapy in that time, hopefully she's gotten a better picture of who she really is and who she ultimately wants to be. She's probably 25/26 by the end of the post so, I'd want to at least give her a final chance to see if she's changed before throwing her away forever.
The daughter deleted her account after trying to apologize in the post but their post history revealed they advocated for cheating in relationships. The father made the right call
(Eat s*, TH-cam! My comment didn’t violate your arbitrary and capriciously written “rules”) These stories (especially the second one) read like bad soap operas.
I mean, he might've made money off scamming people through crypto. If so, then he's fucking a scumbag but regardless, he could've made money in that manner.
Story 1: His daughter has a lot of nerve to say she’ll "be the best daughter” after she disrespected him for years and help hide the affair I would not spend 1 second near her. Story 2: First f*ck that counselor she’s biased as sh!t. Second she had this great marriage where she admitted that she was happy yet she listened to those homewreckers and took no accountability and blamed you and her friends then tried to take the cowards way out. I know I sound cruel but I find it pathetic that you would end yourself cuz of your own actions.
I kno this will get buried but wake up people. 1st op Your telling me that your daughter hates you for no reason all the way from birth and everyone in your life just made you miserable out of nowhere then magically in the end everything worked itself out for you? You sometimes found where the boyfriends mom stayed and somehow got all the information out of him.. this jus sounds like the typical “victim victim victim” story I like these but this one’s a little to fake for me
1st story, while I do think cheating is unforgivable, I can't help but feel bad for the daughter. She was just a kid, and it sounds like her mother was manipulating her. The whole thing with her grandmother, too, just sounds weird. I think that's called parental alienation, but that's only a possibility.
The daughter also commented on the og story on reddit apologising,however looking at her comment history revealed she was on various subreddits for cheaters and advocating for cheating,she didn't learn a thing just wanted her free ATM back
First story: I can thoroughly understand OP’s anger towards the jack@$$ who destroyed the marriage, but I have to say, going back on his word and springing the news to the jack@$$’s mother was a d**k move to end all d**k moves. The woman was in her 60’s and had health problems, and this act of pettiness probably drove her into a casket. Getting the guy fired and shamed was understandable , but dragging family that wasn’t part of it in was not a good thing to do.
Her mom supported the cheater,while cheating and I'm pretty sure also helped in turning the daughter against her father,so no it wasn't a dick move at all,it's called consequences
I mean, he does have a point, is it that wrong to be satisfied that karma has been served ? I mean, "his child" is more of a term in such a situation, such level of betrayal and enabling her mother behavior made her akin to a stranger, she is more of someone sharing the same DNA now, I wouldn't put past him seeing the situation now as being just the sperm donor to such a monster. And according to other commenters here, his "daughter" found the post and tried to apology in it, the irony is, the users did some digging and found out that she was an active cheater, there is no redemption here.
Its the worst when your own children support your spouses infidelity.
And is completely justified for op to go NC with her
And look where it gets them when they choose someone who will always be scum.
Exactly. Especially when they are old enough to understand what’s going on.
I would have zero tolerance for the people supposedly closest to me betraying me
Thee worst and that child or children would be disowned for sure I don’t tolerate betrayal from anyone
First story: was one of the few people on reddit that told OP not to reconcile with his daughter. I got called out on it. Now OP‘s daughter is also known as a cheater.
ST1
"She told me I was abusive." "She told me she's incredibly sorry for what she did and will do anything to make up for it, even if it takes the rest of her life to do so."
OK OP's ex-wife, if OP was so abusive to you why do you want to stay with him, stay married to him if again he was sooooooooooooooooo abusive, oh that's right his money.
Because women logic.
It was a normal one in court ..... to get better alimony
You did not do anything wrong. Keep being happy and live your life. Your ex and daughter did this to themselves.
@@Sg190th bro will find any excuse to be misogynistic
@@MisterSandmanAUThat isn't misogynistic.
I remember Story 1, iirc a lot of commentors were saying that OP should forgive the daughter because she was "brainwashed" 🙄... But OP did make a update saying that he's not going to reach out to her because he doesn't want to open old wounds again...
But, guess what people... the daughter actually discovered the story on reddit and commented apologizing, but the internet being undefeated, some people did some digging into her account and it turns out she's a cheater too and advocated for it in cheater subs 😂. She got called out so bad that she deleted her account 🤣
OH MY GOSH
omg do you know the user handle?! i wanna read it firsthand heh
@@mamamargaux9461 I would have to look up again because this is an old story lol
OH MY GOODNESS 😭😂😂😂
Wow like mother and daughter smh she never learn her mistakes 😒
The counselor in story 2 is WILD. The wife was definitely the catalyst for divorce, so to advocate for her "spreading her wings" is just INSANE
the OP did asked if she had smoked crack before the session.
It's literally their job to try to push two people back together even when one is very clearly not having it. It is the nature of court appointed couples therapy. It's kindof like public defenders. They sometimes have to defend the most deplorable people in court, because it's their job.
more like spreading her Legs.... like ffs does Fedelity mean nothing to anyone any more?
Probably got their degree off a cereal box
Maybe I’m a heartless man but if my wife cheated on me then tried to kill herself because I wouldn’t take her back I simply wouldn’t care. Mother of my children or not killing yourself because then person you hurt doesn’t want anything to do with you is selfish and manipulative.
Same
Same.
Depending on the method, you'd actually be able to tell if it were a true attempt or for attention. People need to learn this and stop supporting attention seekers.
Cowardice also fits her description very well.
People attempt suicide and pseudo suicide (the attempt without intention of actually dying for “attention”) for lots of complicated reasons including (maybe in part or entirely) to manipulate the other. That she did it late at night and, apparently, cut her wrists deeply enough to need six hours of surgery makes me think she probably really was trying to die. Regardless, it’s not that unreasonable for him to be concerned for the sake of the children if nothing else. Even if she *was* acting with the exclusive purpose of manipulating him, she needs serious mental help and her death would just hurt the kids.
I heard the 1st story before. If I recall, there was an update where he said he's not going to reconcile with his ex-daughter.
Could u please share his user ID as i can't seem to find this post
@@SwagatikaBehera5 I only know from a comment of another video.
Story 2... I would report any therapist that actually recommends allowing cheating. Maybe if she wouldn't have made the wife the victim from the get go and told him he should have let her get her jollies off any time she felt the calling... then encouraged him to take her back...
Maybe she would have been forced to face reality sooner and get real help
Exactly. Plus, when OP's daughters hit 18, they'll disappear on their cheating mother, date/marry guys who complete opposites of OP (the first two, unfaithful to the oldest daughters, and the other two, abusive to the youngest daughters), have kids with those parasites, then, flee their toxic relationships/marriages, move to other states for a fresh start, take college courses and persue careers, to provide better lives for themselves and their one-parent households, and instead of ever finding new love, just like OP has, the girls will need to stay away from dating and potential new partners, concentrate on raising their kids, and creating stable home environments for them, as good single moms⚠️
Second story, the woman should have cut off contact with her "friend" after one suggestion of cheating, no point in having friends if they are trying to destroy their friend's marriage and Trying to brainwash, They are toxic
Misery loves company. Of course because she is the only one in their circle still married they have to find a way to ruin it
First story is insane if its real. I wouldn't let the daughter back in. She would be dead to me and I would be firm in that belief.
Same here. And when the daughter ends up being cheated on by her husband or boyfriend, and having to raise their kid as a single mother, she'll try to contact OP, and beg him to take her and her kid in, but he'll tell her to kick rocks.⚠️
First story is fake.
@@bobfg3130 But he made money as a first time crypto buyer. How could it NOT be true. 😂
@@bobfg3130I hope you are right.
I appreciate the entertainment, I don't want this to be real.
@@Fangroth it is real. The daughter even made an account on reddit and tried to reach him and people found out she was a cheater too.
It's fucking insane that the Ghoul in Story 1 got four years of Spousal Support after all that, at least OP got her fired so she actually needed it to survive and couldn't blow it on posh clothes or girl's nights out
Right?
It's just the law. If she had been the major earner and Op had whored around like that, HE would be the one getting spousal support, because it is not about emotions or fault, unless there is a prenup. And even with a prenup, when people have been married for that long without an updating or amendment, the original prenup details may be modified to not leave the one spouse destitute. Because if that spouse is destitute, who pays the bill? You got it, the government. That isn't going to happen.
@@shells500tutuboyou say that but the courts ALWAYS try to find a way to screw over the father
@@abstractrose2673Not really. When my parents divorced back in the early 2000s my dad had this same mindset, only to be told most fathers get “screwed over” cause they never bothered to fight. When my dad asked for full custody and successfully got it for years, until he willingly gave my mom more custody, he realized just how true that statement was. Apparently it wasn’t that much of a fight once he made it clear he wanted custody 😅 Not to say that’s what happens in every case, as some father do just get screwed, but more often than not that isn’t the case. It’s usually fathers who barely tried to fight and were “shocked” when they didn’t get anything they “wanted.”
@@BbiBbii😴
Story 1: Do not reconcile with your wife, SIL, MIL, and daughter! You should not have had to pay spousal support! I am glad that you got your ex and her AP fired with evidence of their wrongdoing! It serves OPs daughter right that her friends have shunned her!
"I just looked at the counselor and asked if she was smoking Crack because that was the dumbest thing that could have come out of her mouth." Amen, brother! ❤
They actually made this man pay a woman who cheated on him for years 💀
Absolute joke honestly
Story is fake so no
And other news is that water is wet.Ofcourse,she's a woman who was whoring around while married,she's gonna be treated like a baby who can do no wrong and deserves nothing but luxury by the court
S2: NTA. Why in the world did your wife think listening to somebody whose advice for marriage problems is to cheat would be a good idea?
Because.........logic died the day cheaters came to be
Because they wanted to
The therapist in the 2nd story should be fired. Trying to blame the OP was extremely unethical
What makes you think she wasn't just someone the wife hired to make OP think he's Satan incarnate for giving consequences for the wife's actions
"Marriage counciling either needs to be abolished or, STOP HIRING BIASED ONE SIDED PEOPLE INTO ITS DEPARTMENT! 2nd story really pissed me off; especially that so-called "marriage councilor"!
It's so disgusting that he had to pay alimony and half of his house
The second story feels real and not a cliché' writing exercise. Mainly because suicidal people can oftentimes appear very happy and at peace when they decide to end it all, and that's how the Ex-Wife was described before her attempt. Coupled with the spiraling actions RIGHT before the turn-around. That's pretty accurate.
S1 sorry to hear how new wife is a bad one too. He needs to divorce me wife before it's too late. If she's defending the psycho ex then she's compromised too. Cheating women defend cheaters. That's how it works. If new wife really loves op she'd see the ex as the filth she is.
Yes.I don't know how OP didn't already see that,but hey I guess he just didn't want the courts to ruin his life a second time because his wife can't keep her legs closed
Story 1 this op went full savage after the humiliating life he lived with them all the sacrifice all the effort just for three wife and daughter to treat him like 💩💩💩💩💩. Finally after reading the phone he broke and he divorced the cheating 304 and the ungrateful daughter. And the gall for that little pos to call him dad and to ask for forgiveness. And the new wife sigh she doesn't grasp the concept of what he suffered to suggest reconciliation with the daughter and I agree 💯 with him in not having her in his life anymore. Story 2 this is how you manage infidelity and the self harming episode was just a desperate attempt for her to draw attention to see if he would forgive her
Pathetic
but there are no more updates i think,
And i suspect some are fake.
Most parents will end up forgiving their children.
For the story 2, I agree many women do that only for attention but for what I read,she really wanted to end her life. The letters, the fact she BARELY survives and didn't want to talk to anyone after she waked up is not really "wanted to draw attention"
@@nancestpasmoi1834Not wanting to talk with anyone is probably a better way to get attention than immediately giving a yappachino to the next person you see.
If she had just swallowed pills, as women who attempt suicide are statistically more presdisposed to do, then yes I would agree it was likely for attention. Men typically go for the ole gun barrel solution so its more final.
Slitting your wrists is really not a plea for attention, if she cut properly. Which it sounds like she did by the description he gave. She really did want to end herself. The listlessness following her waking up could, in part, be her being upset she survived. Another possibility is the anesthesia since in some people it leaves you in a fog for a few days. It could be both. It's difficult to judge from what little information he provides.
Honestly, first story op needs to tell the new wife if she doesn't stop pushing for him to help the ex that he will have 2 ex wives.
Second story... don't give them a second chance. EVER
🤔 if she's pushing so hard for it, maybe it's time for a private investigator.
🤔 if she's pushing so hard for it, maybe it's time for a private investigator.
I remember the first story I think OP didn't like having his story on TH-cam without permission.
@@rogueshark23oh well he should’ve thought about that before posting on a public forum.
Jesus
Cheated on him for 4 years and had to pay 4 years of spousal support? Wtf?
Story 1: if I were OP the moment his daughter mentioned that her friends abandoned him after what she did to him I would retort, "Yeah because unlike you they have a moral compass". I would also stick it more to Sil, telling her that she must be high if she thinks she can call me a villain for simply airing out dirty laundry. Dirty laundry that she waa hoarding mind you😂
"mil reached out (forgot about this woman)" made me laugh. this is a funny story
First OP has nothing to apologize for. EFF all these miserable traitors. Stay NC with the daughter of woe, and warn his new wife she know of the depth of his betrayal. And to stay in her lane.
Single women friend groups will work hard to make married female friends single too
They want company in their misery
crazy how even in the second story, she still blamed her friends
The counsellor in S2 is 500% a cheating 304 like the ex-wife
S1: how did she get all that money? I’m going to assume like mother, like daughter. She’s doing more than just working at a part time job🤦🏽. Don’t let them back into your life, they will just betray you again. You are happy, stay happy
S2: the marriage counselor needs to be fired. Why do they always say it’s the husbands fault? If he’s unhappy it’s his fault, if the wife is unhappy it’s also your fault. Who wants to bet the counselor is in an Open/Poly relationship or into the lifestyle? Also of course the ex decided to off herself, simpathy points. It’s all about her, and if it can’t be about her or she can’t get her old life back, then she’ll make everyone as miserable as her bc misery loves company.
you dont need enemies with chids like that. OP doesnt own her anything!! she deserves it all, bc she didnt just kenew about the cheating she supported it and treat op like shit. Let karma take its course!
S2: i wouldn’t ask if she’s alright, id just say: “i don’t care what’s going on with you, just dont K yourself, you made enough ppl feel miserable, dont make someone have to clean up your blood, thats as selfish as you get”
💯
First story is the perfect example of seeing red flags and acting like your color blind jeez. Nah I don’t feel bad for the daughter in any capacity. She treated him like shit for years. What happened was just the cherry on top.
Story 1 is quite "something"...
Given how OP's daughter started to turn hostile 9 years before the divorce already, and 5 years before the 1 "known" affair started, there's probably more to it than what is known to the OP. The instances when OP inheritted from passed-away relatives, and his ex's behaviour in those cases, also points to that. He did whatever he could to be a good husband and father, only to be his "family's" laughing stock for years.
Now, to his daughter's credit, she "atleast" realized how hard she had fcked up when OP had found out about the affair, even before being cut off by her back-then friends; that doesn't absolve her form having known and covered the whole thing for years, and quite obviously being totally fine with that situation. Her attempt to atleast financially compensate OP eventhough she herself lives in precarious circumstances now indeed shows remorse (she's not exactly in a situation that'd make it easy to save up 20k, let alone allow to give such a sum away).
Wether OP has it in him - or not - to forgive is something only he can ever know; if he still cares for his daughter, he should reconnect for his own sake - it'd eat him alive otherwise. If he doesn't - she did that to herself, and is old enough to bear the consequences of her own actions.
As for the "build bridges to the ex-wife" as OP's wife suggests: No. That woman did her "best" to utterly destroy and ruin him. And, unlike their daughter, she can't even put the blame for her actions onto her toxic mother who would've alienated her from OP.
p.s.: I genuinly don't understand "why" OP was sentenced to pay ANY "spousal support". While there is usually no "principle of guilt" in divorce proceeding any more nowadays, there's still the tenet of "gross injustice" that absolves a cheated-on spouse from any obligations in regards of alimony.
I don't get why the principle of guilt, 'at fault', has been done away with in so many places. If you're the one who breaks the vows of your marriage, you damn well are the guilty party in causing the break-up of the marriage and should suffer the consequences for it.
@@gideonroos1188 Well, it came with a number of implications:
1. It was the sole reason "why" a marriage could be absolved. Spouses could outright hate each other, as long as there was no cheating, a marriage would stay "intact", with no way out.
This would've been a direct consequence of the ten commandments, namely No.6.
2. It affected every single aspect of the shared life: In other words, a cheater would lose
a) alimony,
b) pension adjustment,
c) any right on shared assets
(even if the spouse didn't even spend a cent on it, as long as something was purchased during the marriage, it would've been gone), and
d) last but definitely not least: custody.
A cheater could never obtain custody - even if the spouse was the most-abusive prick on the planet, beating the kids black and blue daily: cheated on? Sole "guardian".
(Now, this is how the "principle of guilt" worked in "my" place (i'm german) when it was still applied (it got abolished sometime in the 1970's).
Can't tell whether it's exact ramifications were different elsewhere.)
@@gideonroos1188They just want to ensure that women can cheat without any problems
6:39 how many red flags does this guy need to get out of a relationship/marriage geez. She wants her inheritance and she wants everything you have which is your joint account and house. She's a gold digger and you're too dumb to realize it from the beginning lol. Or rather halfway since you have a kid
OP was a doormat for most of his life so what did he expect? Respect?
I would have requested a non feminist marriage counselor
I wouldn't have requested a counselor at all,because 99% of all counselors seem to be feminists or misandrists,not like those two words haven't become synonymous.
Story 2 this is why marriage counseling is a crock.
I disagree.
That counselor should never have been certified because she was too focused on "fixing" the marriage and not enough on his feelings.
There are good marriage counselors who actually listen to both parties and help them to communicate. Even if it is to communicate an amicable divorce.
Marriage counseling is for before shit like this happens, and of course not having a bias counselor
Nah, this is more of a human issue than therapy one, that's why they say to check out different ones so you can find the right one for you
So, you're demonizing an entire group of workers based on one story, from reddit? Boy you are either a kid or you're SMRT smart.
@classicrokkid345 kid I've heard numerous stories like this. Where the counselor tries to gaslight the husband into thinking its his fault his wife cheated.
How see people so oblivious as the guy in the first story? So many flags.
🤦🤦Holy crap...he waited how long??? Dang, slooow learner.
4 years? Where the hell have you been mate?
Story 2
I'm happy OP got community service. Because in another story, the betrayed husband got 10 years for beating the AP. It didn't help that he nearly ended the guy and the cheating wife somehow made things worse when she tried to support her husband that she betrayed. Thankfully, he got out early, the cheater's brother worked at the prison to help protect him, and he then started a relationship with the AP's wife. All while the cheater is still facing life, nearly alone. But still it seemed unfair that he got sent to punished when the other guy shouldn't have been messing with a married woman while he was married with a kid on the way.
Im sorry they made this man pay his cheating wife. I'm sorry im saying it...
If This Man was the one cheating, He would pay Spoual support, alimony child support and wouldn't see his daughter. And maybe even ridicule him.
Society would literally make him unlike himself if I'm being honest,but since she was a woman,she gets a free pass on everything,it's called screwing the judge
Who on earth suggests someone bypasses their child in favour of their child's spouse?!
Forgiveness to toxic evil people is ridiculous and pathetic
Yet society advocates for it when that person dies,sad world honestly
@@Otis56 just the religious idiot side of society.
Story 2:
This is why these single mom circles is toxîc..
They want company in the single mom team,can't do it without harming men like they've done all their lives can they?
Story 1: if she was sorry she would have given you a simple and stressfree divorce not an abuse charge in court
Ooooo these stories that aren't complete be pissing me off!!!!
I came for the stories and stayed for the Minecraft gameplays
Heard this one before.
The new wife should stay in her lane, unless she wants to be the next ex wife.
The daughter is a lost cause and OP should have taken her money, then ghosted her. Give the brat a taste of her own medicine.
She's a cheater herself,people defend their own
Bruh. How you dodge accountability to the point of choosing death over consequences?
Cheater logic,allergic to accountability since the day they were born
You actually need a reason to get a restraining order you can’t just ask the judge and have one granted
Story 1: I still find his reaction to the AP's mom's death ridiculous. Of course he should've known that would happen. He knew she had a heart disease, of course any stress was going to kill her.🤦
Counselors are supposed to be impartial.
Story 2 - I don't feel bad for the unfaithful wife Debbie. She destroyed her 27 yrs of marriage even worse she lost the qualifications of a wife and mother. The love of her husband and kids are dead. She allowed her so called friends manipulated her to had a affair for 4 months yes she married young but that's not the excuse to cheat also she didn't made a mistake she made a decision. If it was reverse that a husband is house husband and wife works. It's the same result if one of the spouse cheats and the worse kids will hate their parent for the rest of their life. The marriage counselor should be revoked i bet she had 4 failed marriage. 1st husband divorced he fell out of love for her. 2nd husband cheated on her and left her. 3rd husband ghost her with a note telling her she was toxic and narcissist he's done with her. 4th husband kicked her out of his home letting her know that she's too much of a blame shifter
Listen to story 1 was super frustrating this dude let this go on for waaay to long. I don't understand why gather the evidence just for her to get 50/50 and alimony smh
Istg I bet u if op cheated in story 2 and Debbi wanted the divorce th councilor would be encouraging Debbi to get the divorce that's just fucked up the councilor is supposed to be neutral about divorce not being a bitch to op about it
Society.
Well, to be fair, it is "marital counseling" made mandatory by his country, he isn't "her client" but the state is, she doesn't fear demotion so there is no repercussion for her to be impartial and professional at all, she gets paid either way, he should've taken in some effort to report her behavior, she for sure will end up destroying more lives with her attitude. (imo, perhaps she forcing them to reconcile is a way to boost her numbers of "couples which she fixed" instead of being an empathetic human being)
@@brjoaoedu We should start making tests for therapists before they become one and then make it an annual thing......
Is the new wife pushing to build a bridge with the ex wife or the ex daughter??....
Ex-wife,cause she's about to join that club,with how obvious her cheating is
S1, NTI, Action, reaction, every decision has consequences, if your ex wife and daughter wanted to make decisions, they should be responsible for the consequences
S2: imagine carring about the woman who betrayed you.
First Story: The wife was cheating since the daughter was starting to disrespect him...
Story 1 : this is sadly what happens to weak men who let too much disrespect pass. Women take kindness for weakness. Always lay down the law.
From my experience, some PEOPLE take kindness for weakness. I have more examples from my life of men who supposedly were family who abused my kindness. But I don't want to generalise as I know people are different and see others differently
@@naszatadon’t waste your time. People are either extremely on one side or the other. When it’s the guy that’s being a pos all of sudden it’s all men, when it’s a woman all of a sudden it’s all women. People fail to realize that we are people, some with overlapping characteristics regardless of gender. It’s tiring seeing ppl trying to force one thing or another solely on one gender. 😮💨🤦🏾♀️ We all are humans and as humans we are flawed.
@@chinaking918 The guy with the first comment is right. There are some things that women do more some that men do more. But if you are weak there is no woman on earth that you love or respect you
Op didn't destroyed his family, his wife and daughter did, when his wife had it off with someone eles and his daughter picked her and her affair partner, this is just the bed they made, to late now to try and get out of it.
Story 1: I'd be willing to try and rebuild a relationship with the daughter. Not saying I'd forget what happened, but I'd be willing to at least try to see if she's truly changed. The daughter had been cruel to OP for most of her life. It's clear that the ex and in-laws pretty much brainwashed her from the beginning to be who she was. Having most of a decade of being disowned and shunned by pretty much everyone, friends and family, in your life can have a profound impact on you. If she has had any kind of therapy in that time, hopefully she's gotten a better picture of who she really is and who she ultimately wants to be. She's probably 25/26 by the end of the post so, I'd want to at least give her a final chance to see if she's changed before throwing her away forever.
I agree
Maybe I wouldn't throw the door wide open, but I would open at a crack and see if she's really sincere
The daughter deleted her account after trying to apologize in the post but their post history revealed they advocated for cheating in relationships. The father made the right call
@@chrisleeharvey jfc
@@chrisleeharveyso she didn’t learn a damn thing and only wanted him back because he was the families ATM. Got it. 🥴
Why do stories like this mostly state that the wife cheating was a mistake?
Story 1 was so infuriating that i had to move on to story 2
1st story I would have done the same thing.
Peer preasure on the 40 years old I mean come on man she just don't wanna face what she did
The ex on the 2th story is not well at all, like Jack shit unstable
(Eat s*, TH-cam! My comment didn’t violate your arbitrary and capriciously written “rules”) These stories (especially the second one) read like bad soap operas.
Well... most of these get edited to heck and back. That's how you avoid the actual redditor from contacting you and telling you to delete your video.
@@southernflight5078 ohhhh, I see. Thanks.
Story 1: "I got into crypto and make money"--SO close to being a believable story; too.
I mean, he might've made money off scamming people through crypto. If so, then he's fucking a scumbag but regardless, he could've made money in that manner.
Day 44 of telling secretvoices to have a good day
Both stories are fake.
Story 1:
His daughter has a lot of nerve to say she’ll "be the best daughter” after she disrespected him for years and help hide the affair I would not spend 1 second near her.
Story 2:
First f*ck that counselor she’s biased as sh!t. Second she had this great marriage where she admitted that she was happy yet she listened to those homewreckers and took no accountability and blamed you and her friends then tried to take the cowards way out. I know I sound cruel but I find it pathetic that you would end yourself cuz of your own actions.
That is one pontent narc gene
Second story in a singular word:
>latinas
good
Some of the words in the 1st story literally makes it make no sense
Story 2 changed since last I listened to it.
9:34
I kno this will get buried but wake up people. 1st op Your telling me that your daughter hates you for no reason all the way from birth and everyone in your life just made you miserable out of nowhere then magically in the end everything worked itself out for you? You sometimes found where the boyfriends mom stayed and somehow got all the information out of him.. this jus sounds like the typical “victim victim victim” story I like these but this one’s a little to fake for me
1st story, while I do think cheating is unforgivable, I can't help but feel bad for the daughter. She was just a kid, and it sounds like her mother was manipulating her. The whole thing with her grandmother, too, just sounds weird. I think that's called parental alienation, but that's only a possibility.
She was an adult when the known affair began
The daughter also commented on the og story on reddit apologising,however looking at her comment history revealed she was on various subreddits for cheaters and advocating for cheating,she didn't learn a thing just wanted her free ATM back
S1 invested into crypto. Fake story
First story: I can thoroughly understand OP’s anger towards the jack@$$ who destroyed the marriage, but I have to say, going back on his word and springing the news to the jack@$$’s mother was a d**k move to end all d**k moves. The woman was in her 60’s and had health problems, and this act of pettiness probably drove her into a casket. Getting the guy fired and shamed was understandable , but dragging family that wasn’t part of it in was not a good thing to do.
Her mom supported the cheater,while cheating and I'm pretty sure also helped in turning the daughter against her father,so no it wasn't a dick move at all,it's called consequences
Nah sorry, if you're gloating about the fact that your child is on the streets begging you to reconcile, you are not the good guy in the story.
I mean, he does have a point, is it that wrong to be satisfied that karma has been served ? I mean, "his child" is more of a term in such a situation, such level of betrayal and enabling her mother behavior made her akin to a stranger, she is more of someone sharing the same DNA now, I wouldn't put past him seeing the situation now as being just the sperm donor to such a monster. And according to other commenters here, his "daughter" found the post and tried to apology in it, the irony is, the users did some digging and found out that she was an active cheater, there is no redemption here.
1st story sounds way too fake.
no OP actually sent proof and has posts made only for the Royal A.I. channel