Sotha Sil: Betrayed Nerevar. Vivec: Betrayed Nerevar and the people of Morrowind. Almalexia: Betrayed Nerevar, Sotha Sil, and the people of Morrowind. Dagoth Ur: Stayed loyal to Nerevar to the end and tried to free Morrowind from the Empire and the three mad Chimer "gods". #DagothUrDidNothingWrong
How to achieve CHIM: I accept that this reality is a dream, a fake. But that does not mean I am fake, reality is a matter of perspective. It may be just a dream to the godhead, but it is reality for myself, and everything inside the dream.
It's not so simple. It's like waking up and seeing all of reality all at once; your very perceptions completely changing in an instant. The world does not exist. Your family does not exist. And so you do not exist. If you do not - in that VERY moment, deny your own trail of logical thought, you cease to be. This is why the Dwemer ceased to be. They were driven by logic. A flaw when you live in fiction. CHIM is (traditionally) based in violence and ego, and is pursued through extensive and meticulous preparation. You can't accept reality. Reality isn't real. You have to assert that YOU are real, and thus position yourself to usurp the dreamer.
Linkyoo But that is just one of the many reasons we love it, though. While I like some good fantasy Vikings, I really like the Dunmer. The Dunmer's homeland is a swamp, their fashion is either tits-out-24/7 or so ludicrous that they need magic so it doesn't crush them, their warrior-clan's main base is a kaiju-tier crab, and their wizard-clan's forts and bases are giant mushroom trees. How is that not awesome?
Morrowind lore is what happened when you combine high fantasy, dark fantasy, history, anthropology, tribalism, mysticism and with the appliances of Alchemy into the mold into unprecedented processes
"My first question is: Are you really Nerevar reborn?" "My second question is: if you win, what do you plan to do with the power from the Heart? Will you make yourself a god, and establish a thearchy? Or will you complete Akulakhan, and dispute control of Tamriel with the Septims? Or will you share the Heart with your followers, as I have, and breed a new race of divine immortals?" "My final question is: If I had offered to let you join me, would you have surrendered Wraithguard, Sunder, and Keening to me to seal your oath?"
[Lyrics] What a fool you are. I'm a god, how can you kill a god? What a grand and intoxicating innocence. How could you be so naive? There is no escape. No recall or intervention can work in this place. Come, lay down your weapons, it is not too late for my mercy.
[Intro] Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh (x2) [Verse 1] Welcome Moon-and-Star Come to me through fire and war Ooh, ooh Come, Nerevar Come and look upon the heart, upon the heart Ooh Lay down your weapons It is not too late for my mercy Ooh, ooh Come and look upon the heart, upon the heart Ooh, ooh, ooh [Chorus] I'm a god How can you kill a god? What a grand and intoxicating innocence I'm a god How can you kill a god? Shame on you, sweet Nerevar I'm a god (x2) I'm a god, god I'm a god (x3) [Verse 1] [Chorus] [Verse 2 (x4)] No recall or intervention can work in this place There is no escape [Chorus]
I just love the whole concept of Chim and the Godhead. It's like the elder scrolls and Morrowind in particular taking a number from Bill Hicks. "Today a young man on skooma realized that all matter is energy reduced to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves. Here's Dagoth Ur with the weather."
@@wiibrockster I don't know about that. If he believes all of reality is his dream, is good or bad even a concept anymore? Nobody else really exists - he can do whatever he wants to them.
I feel like Voryn Dagoth wasn't evil, and was actually a rather honorable and fair guy. I think he became corrupted by the Heart into Dagoth Ur, and of course, the Tribunal would twist who he really was, once was, for their own selfish reasons. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I tend to believe the accounts of the story that say that Nerevar entrusted Dagoth to guard the tools, left to consult Almsivi, was killed by Almsivi, because they were driven by greed and lust for power, and when they came to confront Dagoth Ur, he knew something was wrong because Nerevar wasn't with them. How he became connected to the Heart I'm still trying to figure out, probably something he did in haste and panic when he knew Almsivi were coming without Nerevar to make sure they couldn't get the tools. Remember, his first suggestion was to destroy them, meaning he believed nobody should possess them, not even the Almsivi. And Dagoth Ur seems honorable when you confront him in Red Mountain, leading me to believe that some traces of Voryn are still found in Dagoth Ur, beneath all the madness.
If Dagoth and the Ashlanders are right, Red Mountain was a goddamn tragedy. Nerevar was assassinated by those he trusted (because they were convinced he'd be an obstacle on their quest to divinity), with only one of those standing for Nerevar and his ideals ending up as an eldritch abomination for his loyalty, while the Tribunal rewrites history to erase both.
They were obviously on a shroom eating binge. They ate tons of shrooms and thought of all this Morrowind stuff. I mean it's incredibly obvious... Just look at the environments in the game. Mushrooms everywhere, mushroom cities, etc... And then there's the writing. It's trippy writing because they were mad trippin on shrooms.
My interpretation has always been that, through a similar act of betrayal, Dagoth was inextricably linked to the essence of Lorkhan, who I've always believed to be the true dreamer, and this link has maddened him. Just as the tribunal are sort of half steps between the mortals and Azura, Boethiah and Mephala, Dagoth-Ur is trapped between what it is to be mortal, and to be Lorkhan.
@@seekingabsolution1907 I don't pretend to understand everything about this period of Elder Scrolls lore, and how frankly insane it gets, but I don't see a massive distinction between being the half of the God head removed from the mortal plane, and being the Dreamer that shapes from outside it. Maybe I'm giving Lorkhan too much credit, and maybe too little to the innumerable gods that left Mundus, and obviously it's ignoring the meta reference to the developers and writers, but working within the 4th wall Lorkhan would be my best bet.
@cart 55 I thought the DBs soul could only be claimed by Akatosh and as such he would rejoin Akatosh in death, regardless of any pacts with daedric princes
I remember my meeting with Dagoth Ur as if it was yesterday even though it has been 18 years. Trekking up the slopes of the Red Mountain I had prepared well for the journey. Not only in the game but also in real life (I ate a bowl of washy rice with some sausage bits in it - I was 19 at the time and had just moved from home a little over half a year earlier). I remember it being frightening, but also the best culmination of a game that I had ever encountered. So much so that I still remember what I ate that day.
If I could, I would have sided with him, against the lying tribunal. Also, on a relate note, I once saw a post on 4chan that explained with amazing detail the concept of being awake in death, showing the different states of dream and life, also explaining the nature of the dreamers. And in an unrelated note, the sexiest iteration of Daddy Ur's voice is during "return to clockwork city" in elder scrolls legends, chapter 3, one of the memories of Sotha Sil
Peace is a lie, there is only sweetrolls. Through sweetrolls , I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. sweetrolls shall free me.
The Sith Sweetroll code more powerful then the original Sith Code that all situ feared it even Darth Jarjar but one sith did follow it and became more powerful then the first sith lord and his name was Darth Sweetidious
There is no emotion there is only sweet rolls there is no Ignorance there is only sweet rolls there is no passion there is only sweet rolls there is no Chaos there is only sweet rolls there is no death there is only sweet rolls. The jedi sweet rolls code this code was created by the group's founder sweet roll pastryes a famous jedi wielding the power of the sweet roll
"Vegetables are a Lie, there is only Cake. Through Cake I gain Calories. Through Calories I gain Mass, Through Mass I gain Diabeetus. Through DIabeetus my Blood Sugar is Broken. The Crackers shall set me Free." -The Sith Code (as revised by Darth Baras.)
The Dwemer existed before Red Mountain. Maybe they existed after Red Mountain, too. Maybe the REASON what happened at Red Mountain cannot be figured out, is because the surviving Dwemer zero-summed afterwards.
@@jaieet they could not have zero summed, zero summing would mean thy never existed in the first place and no trace of them would remain, if they zero summed there would be no ruins and dwarven spirits, dwemer most likely moved to a different realm, or they might've gotten trapped inside the numidium
@@xxxxx6622 Zero summing doesn't null your RACE. It only nullifies you. If ANY of the Dwemer were already dead before a zero-sum, there would still be Dwemer stuff around. And indeed, there are Dwemer ghosts all throughout Morrowind. Also a living one who was out of town at the time.
@@jaieet dwemer dissapeared as a whole, not individually dwemer committed atrocities together and they got punished together, whatever happened happened to all of them as a race if they zero summed they would've zero summed as a race but they did not
@@xxxxx6622 No. Their ghosts and ancestors still exist. There is a LIVING dwemer in Morrowind. He's alive. You TALK to him as part of the main quest. If Vivec Zero-Summed, it would NOT result in the Dunmer zero-summing, too. Do you understand? :P
My first fight against Dagoth Ur was hilarious. I went in there without any of the tools but had op gear and spells so I figured it would be ok. I hit the heart and it got destoyed but it didn't trigger things right so although the model of the heart disappeared Dagoth was still immorta. After a 5 minute battle he fell into the lava but couldn't die so it became a stalemate.
Great video! I always felt that Dagoth Ur was the best antagonist in TES. The Daedric princes are interesting but they haven't had half the character arch that Dagoth Ur did, many of them just being powerful since their creation, Dagoth Ur however had an interesting path to reach his power, and the story of Morrowind did such a great job slowly showing Dagoth Ur's power and reach throughout the game, leading to the stand-off inside the mountain that always loomed over you on the horizon as a constant reminder of the threat while you were playing.
Morrowind: You are destined to defeat a false god of metaphysical existence using CHIM to defeat him before he becomes the god of existence Skyrim: Kill dragon by shouting
No, you do not use the "CHIM", you use enchanted equipment and weapons created by the dwemer. The CHIM is nothing more than something invented by Vivec to justify his powers, and then that would be used by Mankar Camoran to deceive his followers. And Alduin is not a simple dragon, he is the "son" of Akatosh. Dagoth obtains his powers by means external to him, while Alduin has his powers naturally. It sounds more "epic" Alduin in that sense.
@@PrimusGladius The falsehoods can not be true, it is a complete contradiction in terms. Maybe you mean that what does not have a lot of sustenance can end up being true. But the problem is that the CHIM is not completely explained in the texts where it is mentioned, but its objective is clear, to make people believe that Vivec and Camoran "got it", and with it their powers, the problem of this is that in the same games is verified that this is a complete lie, and that their powers are derived from other things. The problem is that many people do not accept this because they keep reading what Kirkbride wrote for his C0DA, where the concept of CHIM does have a function and is real. They do not understand that Elder Scrolls and C0DA are already completely different things. What is written for C0DA is not designed to answer the questions of Elder Scrolls, nor to change what has already been stipulated.
@@void9399 Oh I'm not denying the technicality of your logic, just pointing out that The Elder Scrolls has always dabbled in the contradictory and illogical. Urag gro-shub, the librarian of the College of Winterhold, in discussing the Elder Scrolls themselves says: "The simplest way to put it is 'knowledge,' but there's nothing simple about an Elder Scroll. It's a reflection of all possible futures and all possible pasts. Each reader sees different reflections through different lenses, and may come away with a different reading. But at the same time, all of it is true. Even the falsehoods. Especially the falsehoods." Then there's other inexplicable and illogical things that have happened in the lore and are canon like the Warp in the West. Metaphysical break in time or just a convenient retcon by the developers? Both I would say. The lore is whatever they want it to be and is subject to their whims, but we are still it's interpreters.
@@PrimusGladius Sure, Bethesda can make any change and end up being canon, especially if they use the dragonbreak. It does not matter if it ends up contradicting several things, although I doubt it very much, because if you make several contradictions, you can easily cause people who are reviewing your product to lose interest. But we're not talking about whether Bethesda makes changes in the future or not. If Bethesda will say in the future that the CHIM is something real. What is spoken is that so far, it is not canon, it is something that Kirkbride wrote for his C0DA, so it should not be mixed with Elder Scrolls.
I feel like Dagoth Ur, upon his connection with the Heart and his first death, became some kind of bizarre, twisted fusion between both himself, and whatever dreaming consciousness remained of Lorkhan. It would certainly explain and fit within the theories of this video🙂
it's physical form could be destroyed (by the same tools that gave it the form of a heart, to be used in the numidium) but the heart itself and its powers cannot be truly destroyed
The heart's physical form was sundered, sending it to an unreachable layer of existence. It is still the heart of the world, but it is now unobtainable by mortals.
@@TheRedRaccoonDog you'd be correct if Lorkhan was actually still the one anchoring Mundus in the aethereal planes, but that role has since passed on to Talos of Atmora upon mantling his position as the God of Mankind. The Heart is still however an incredibly powerful peephole into the workings of the dream and therefore can still help one achieve either Sharmat or CHIM (if one doesn't zero-sum first) with appropriate self-introspection and equipment.
Sounds to me like Dagoth mantled Lorkan as he died by accident. Lorkan woke up in his own dream, lucid dreaming using Dagoth as an avatar. Of course he would be quite insane and feel entitled to complete world domination as the entire world is in his own head.
It's funny once you understand CHIM and anti-CHIM and all of that and how it all ties into Dagoth Ur, you realize that he could have been unstoppable. In a way, he became the supreme being in the Elder Scrolls universe and as Scott said, he was living (or rather, dreaming) in a reality of himself and in a way, he was the God head.
Since you seems to take interpretation of lore so seriously, I feel the need to correct your reading at 10:25. You are reading "Swim in the New" as one sentence and "Phlogiston" as a separate sentence, but they are the same sentence. In the real world, phlogiston was a hypothetical substance that chemists believed exist inside all thing that were flammable. It was the "element" that made burning possible and was subsequently released into the air. It is, essentially, what you were supposedly looking at when you looked at a flame. It was the prevalent theory regarding combustion up until about 1800. So when Dagoth Ur says "Tear down the pylons my blind fish; swim in the new phlogiston," he is urging his audience to enter into and embrace that which is causing the world to change. More literally, he is using Phlogiston as a metaphor for the blight and swimming in phlogiston is a call for the reader to accept his disease rather than fight it.
From all the books in game I could infer that Vivek and rest of tribunal killed nerevar - used tools of Kagrenak (and fought Dagoth Ur in the process because he was holding promise to Nerevar regarding prohibition of using those tools) and made themselves gods. Later when they wanted replenish their powers they encountered Dagoth Ur in the red mountain.
The only flow of events that really makes sense with the details we do know like naravar losing his feet which is a sign of dishonor. The Battle of Red Mountain occurs the dwemmer disappeared, Moon and star was likely wounded from the severe Battle but still alive at the moment. The tools are collected dagoth is entrusted with guarding them while the tribunal take nerevar away. Most likely to heal, However this is when nerevar was betrayed. And considering each member of the tribunal is supposed to represent one of the 3 daedra of the chimer. It's most likely either almalexia or Vivec to present the idea and sotha sil who figured out the tools use. Nerevar is murdered, his feet removed for disrespect being a constant so I think outdoor murder. the tribunal heads for red mountain and meet Dagoth. Dagoth Either was tempted by the artifacts and figured out how to do it by himself, Or upon finding the tribunal's arrival without nerevar he put 1 and 2 together and did something desperate to try and stop them. a rushed Attunement would explain the oddities of dagoths flawed CHIM.
i could swear i remember dagoth telling you that your friends betrayed you(indoril nevar), vivec and alemexia wanted to be together and they wanted to be gods, but you stood in the way and so they betrayed you and you died. then they plus sotha sil, took god hood. that's why the tribunal temple hunts down and kills all of the reincarnations. it's also why your ex wife puts a hit out on you once she realizes your back from the dead. she thinks your going to be coming at her for revenge. but it's been ages since i beat morrowind(played it on the original xbox.).
No one out there is a 100% reliable source of information. Keeping details vague opens up great RP possibilities. You can be a literal Nerevar reborn, or you are simply a random guy who gets the job done through skill, determination and tons upon tons of luck. Divayth Fyr always failed to cure Corprus, it happened only with Nerevarine. Did it happen because he was destined, or because he was a one in a million lucky? It's again vague.
Not the will, the means. You can't turn a rock into a computer with will power alone you need many many tools and many many steps rhat not everyone has access to. Not everything can be done alone.
A video on the Lessons of Vivec would be amazing. Most of my understanding of Morrowind-era lore comes from FudgeMuppet videos, and anything Vivec says post-achieving Chim is intriguing, since it often gives nuggets of knowledge about the Godhead.
You should do a hypothetical video on what would happen if you COULD join Dagoth Ur’s side. When you’re about to kill him, he asks you to join him multiple times, but you still can’t.
The Dwemer are the citizens of Jyggalag’s new domain, now that he’s been freed from the curse that is Sheogorath. The Dwemer seem like they’d get along with a god of order. #TinFoilHat
I like all these lore vids, literally, with the thumb up, but I gotta point out one error: The Heart of Lorkhan cannot be destroyed. You can only use Sunder and Keening to break, or perhaps erase, the enchantments placed on it by Kagrenac and/or Dagoth Ur. From "The Monomyth" "But when Trinimac and Auriel tried to destroy the Heart of Lorkhan it laughed at them. It said, "This Heart is the heart of the world, for one was made to satisfy the other." So Auriel fastened the thing to an arrow and let it fly long into the sea, where no aspect of the new world may ever find it." From "Kagrenac's Tools" "Beneath Red Mountain, Dwemer miners discovered a great magical stone. By diverse methods, Lord Kagrenac, High Priest and Magecrafter of the ancient Dwemer, determined that this magical stone was the heart of the god Lorkhan, cast here in the Dawn Era as a punishment for his mischief in creating the mortal world." Others get this wrong too (even a uesp page, 'tho most uesp pages don't), and it's not even a huge deal in practical terms, but knowing it can't be destroyed means it can reappear in future games WITHOUT breaking lore, that's all.
In skyrim septimus signus thinks that in the dwemer box is heart of god and in dragonborn dlc there is dwemer something hidden in basement of a house and there is sound of beating. Maybe those are the hints that in TES6 heart will have its comeback
So based on what the video said..... Does this mean if the Nerevarine failed then, the restored House Dagoth would've been the Dunmer version of 4E Thalmor, right? I wonder how they'd interact with the actual Thalmor, imagine their wars....
Actually the world of the victorious Dagoth in the events of Morrowind is the World of the collapsed empire. At first, Dagoth, using the corprus, created an entire army of monsters for himself. He would have cleansed Morrowind of everyone who would dare to openly oppose emus, that is, about half of all Morrowind, whether it be the Imperials or the followers of the Tribunal that still believed in the power of their gods. Then he would take up the issue of arranging a new Morrowind. He would have decided for a while to leave the rest of the continent in peace, putting things in order in the interior of his country. The Thalmor would have been delayed with the coming to power because there is no Oblivion Crisis. Dagon is not a fool to repeat the same mistakes. He then understands that even if he invades, there is a risk of losing to the same Dagoth and only making it easier for him to capture Tamriel. So Dagoth would simply continue to gradually undermine the Empire from the inside and prepare for the invasion.
@@giorgosgeorgiou1702 didn't see that as a question, sorry. To be honest, I'm an Elder Scrolls peasant who came on scene with Skyrim. I watch channels like this on to learn more about the lore of games I simply don't have the time to play, unfortunately. I like what I hear, and it sounds like an awesome story arc for a game though!
The tragedy of Dagoth Ur is that his interfering with The Heart Of Lorkan caused two opposing timelines to merge, one where the Tribunal betrayed the Nerevar to become gods, and one where the Tribunal were always gods and there was no betrayal. Dagoth Ur's assumption upon meeting your character is that you're *his* Nerevar reincarnated, but it's much more likely that you're from the timeline where the betrayal never occurred. His actions destroyed *his* Nerevar.
I like to believe that the Dagoth Ur that we see in the game is some kind of avatar of the real Dagoth Ur, like how the Nerevarine is to the player. It looks like Dagoth is another player going on an opposite path from the Nerevarine and ready to fight him to know which destiny will be fulfilled at the heart chamber. SO IM GONNA SAY IT AND NOBODY CAN STOP ME: MORROWIND WAS THE FIRST PVP EXPERIENCE IN ELDER SCROLLS HISTORY
My favorite recurring thing about the Elder Scrolls is that not only are you placed right into the middle of important events in the history of the lore, but you are also powerful and important enough to be effecting that history creating the illusion that you have control over the overarching story
Honestly I think I like the original voice for Dagoth Ur instead of the modded one. The VA had a very polite demeanor to his voice thus making him seem all the more menacing. It’s also like having a maniac having a sane persona, this making them all the more scary.
I had Oblivion but my computer was so outdated when I was a kid that I wasn't able to play it. I've never played any of these games but I can't help to think that it's only half a tier away from being top-quality mythology. It's interesting to learn about all the lore and characters.
Oh yeah. A lot of it is in in-game books but it's really a wild ride lore wise. Imo the actual games themselves aren't even as interesting as everything that happened before the games took place. Still great games.
You said at 6:18 that the dwemer zero sumed but that is impossible. Why is it impossible? When you zero sum you don't just disappear, you get wiped out of time in present, future and most importantly past. So basically a person that zero sums never existed no one can remember that person because that person and consequently all creations and works of that person never existed. That's why the dwemer couldnt have zero sumed. We know they existed, we even know the names of some of them and the ruins and machines they build still exist, thus they couldn't have zero sumed.
Unless it happened later - long enough after the battle was resolved and key figures were killed, that the remaining dwemer's disappearances only muddled history.
@@jaieet That cant be because of Kagrenac. He was the one who used the tools on the heart which resulted in their disappearance. So we have a named individual and thus the explanation cant be zero sum. Also on another note how would using some tools on a heart give every dwemer the ephiphany that everything is just a dream?
@@hermaeusmora424 Because they are linked telepathically like a pseudo hive-mind. It's also worth noting that just because people SAY Kagrenac used the tools, doesn't mean he actually was the one who did. Kagrenac merely suggesting the tools be used, then being killed, is enough to fix this paradox. Some nameless Dwemer takes it upon himself to do what a professional should have, and nobody remembers a thing about the Dwemer disappearance.
@@jaieet the entire concept of chim (from what I understand of it) is just another layer of Vivecs lies. The true source of power is purely the heart. I think the idea of Chim and alot of what Vivev directly says to the player character about the mechanics of being a God is breaking the fourth wall and parralels perfectly with playing a computer game. If anything, if Chim has any truth to it whatsoever its likely to be the playable charachter who has achieved it. Which would explain why we never have any memory of events previous to the beginning of the game.
Honestly always loved the fact that no matter how "powerful" the living gods say they are it only took 1 dedric prince to change an entire culture and all the people within physically changing their skin and eyes and yet with all their power and God like abilities combined they could not undue what was done to their people. Kinda shows their real strength
Bro! I spent hours thinking about his motives. I remember pondering the plot, getting distracted, and getting killed by the same damn cliffracer for the 3rd time. I miss this game badly 😭 lol
I only just started playing marrowind and I’m very thankful I found your channel I really liked this “villian” this game is so fun and I love being able to understand it a bit better thank you for putting in the time to explain this!
Interesting to consider on top of Dagoth leaving no body behind after we defeat him is that he has a soul value of 0 like a centurion which has no soul to trap (Vivec has a value of 1000)
>not using his smooth, elegant, original voice
*SHAAAAAAAME*
Probably copyright reasons
That's what I was hoping to hear :^(
What’s kinda cool is the unused Vivec voice sounds sorta unsettling and scary while Dagoth’s original voice was very smooth and elegant.
@@antoniodiavolo Yeah lol
Its a symbol of his corruption bub.
"What a grand and intoxicating innocence" One of the most badass line of the whole ES saga.
God Bless Young Scrolls
@Jakob Nielson dagoth is hitting charts worldwide
Can someone put this in simpler words, what does that actually mean?
@@brazzadazza If you're inquiring about Dagoth's quote, it's more or less a mockery. To put it simply: Naive.
@Smunstu Stinkymonster
Correction; 'incredibly' amusing to the point that it made him feel both deeply ecstatic and positively dominant.
I always hear Dagothwave when i hear Dagoth Ur's dialoge.
Same
Same
yup, not thatl listening to it for hours on end helped it either...
Ooh ooh oooh
I always hear Dagothwave.
Sotha Sil: Betrayed Nerevar.
Vivec: Betrayed Nerevar and the people of Morrowind.
Almalexia: Betrayed Nerevar, Sotha Sil, and the people of Morrowind.
Dagoth Ur: Stayed loyal to Nerevar to the end and tried to free Morrowind from the Empire and the three mad Chimer "gods".
#DagothUrDidNothingWrong
not Sotha Sil. leave Sotha Sil out of this.
Sotha Sil only betrayed Nerevar , and even then he was peer pressured into it
@@martvinegar3431 Fixed!
@@celairgilfaenmirion K
@@celairgilfaenmirion Thank you kind sir.
Use the original voice, it is not too late for my mercy.
Oh! Oh! Oh!
What a fool, sweet Neravar.
Come, friend or traitor come.
This is the end, the bitter, bitter end. My only friend the end?
Copyright?
"I think, therefore I am."
- Descartes
I am, therefore reality is.
- Dagoth Ur
his ego was so big lol
@@dannyn6036 What a fool you are. How can you fault a god for having a deserved ego? What a grand and intoxicating innocence!
3:37
Only Bethesda could have created lore with bugs.
UrielManX7 it just works. At least until the dragon breaks
Some say that Todd Howard could influence the dwemer to create Elder Scrolls lore, which he eventually did.
That's why we love them
@@HunterBidensHandgunI loved them until Starfield.
Dagoth Ur *hits blunt*
Ight so hear me out
20 likes? This is unacceptable.
*hits blunt and slaughters more elves* ReeeeeaaaaamaAaaaannnn
We'll get to over a million in no time,fear not brothers,a golden comment like this deserves no less.
@@anorlondo7834 were at 125 now
"Solipsism is the way to godhood"
How to achieve CHIM:
I accept that this reality is a dream, a fake.
But that does not mean I am fake, reality is a matter of perspective.
It may be just a dream to the godhead, but it is reality for myself, and everything inside the dream.
oops I zero sumed
Instructions uncle-
Chim isn't canon
@@justdude2775 Yes it is
It's not so simple. It's like waking up and seeing all of reality all at once; your very perceptions completely changing in an instant.
The world does not exist. Your family does not exist. And so you do not exist.
If you do not - in that VERY moment, deny your own trail of logical thought, you cease to be. This is why the Dwemer ceased to be. They were driven by logic. A flaw when you live in fiction.
CHIM is (traditionally) based in violence and ego, and is pursued through extensive and meticulous preparation. You can't accept reality. Reality isn't real. You have to assert that YOU are real, and thus position yourself to usurp the dreamer.
Man, Morrowind lore is awesome, but so trippy.
Linkyoo But that is just one of the many reasons we love it, though. While I like some good fantasy Vikings, I really like the Dunmer. The Dunmer's homeland is a swamp, their fashion is either tits-out-24/7 or so ludicrous that they need magic so it doesn't crush them, their warrior-clan's main base is a kaiju-tier crab, and their wizard-clan's forts and bases are giant mushroom trees. How is that not awesome?
@@gasmonkey1000 Don't forget hollowing out beetles to ride them like vehicles.
Mystery Yoghurt I know. I envy the guy who came up with that.
Arnez Willis Oh yeah, there was that. When I saw that movie I had no idea what was happening but I loved it. Cobra-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la!
Morrowind lore is what happened when you combine high fantasy, dark fantasy, history, anthropology, tribalism, mysticism and with the appliances of Alchemy into the mold into unprecedented processes
Dagoth Ur rocking that kilt, hippie hair, and waffle-iron mask look like no other "living-god" pretender.
Loincloth, not kilt sir
But "waffle-iron mask" is very nice
😂
Very Goa'uld
What the fuck are you implying you little shit let me see you get gutted by romans and come back 3 days later
@@dankfatboi Good thing that's never happened amirite?
"My first question is: Are you really Nerevar reborn?"
"My second question is: if you win, what do you plan to do with the power from the Heart? Will you make yourself a god, and establish a thearchy? Or will you complete Akulakhan, and dispute control of Tamriel with the Septims? Or will you share the Heart with your followers, as I have, and breed a new race of divine immortals?"
"My final question is: If I had offered to let you join me, would you have surrendered Wraithguard, Sunder, and Keening to me to seal your oath?"
Where is that from?
@@Serjo777 dialogue of dagoth ur in TES III: Morrowind
@@ChrisselWasser Weird, I totally don't remember those lines. It's been a while since I last played through Morrowind tho.
@@Serjo777 it's not voice acted, but he asks you those questions if you choose to take up his offer and talk to him before the fight
Yes to all your questions on the second point. That's where dragonbreaks occur.
I won't forgive you not using his original sexy voice.
[Lyrics]
What a fool you are.
I'm a god, how can you kill a god?
What a grand and intoxicating innocence.
How could you be so naive?
There is no escape.
No recall or intervention can work in this place.
Come, lay down your weapons, it is not too late for my mercy.
Raptors *Oh, oh, oh, ooh!*
[Intro]
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh (x2)
[Verse 1]
Welcome Moon-and-Star
Come to me through fire and war
Ooh, ooh
Come, Nerevar
Come and look upon the heart, upon the heart
Ooh
Lay down your weapons
It is not too late for my mercy
Ooh, ooh
Come and look upon the heart, upon the heart
Ooh, ooh, ooh
[Chorus]
I'm a god
How can you kill a god?
What a grand and intoxicating innocence
I'm a god
How can you kill a god?
Shame on you, sweet Nerevar
I'm a god (x2)
I'm a god, god
I'm a god (x3)
[Verse 1]
[Chorus]
[Verse 2 (x4)]
No recall or intervention can work in this place
There is no escape
[Chorus]
Nice
Shame on you sweet nerevar
OOH OH
Welcome, Moon and Star. Come to me through fire and war. Woah, woah.
CaptainClark23 Come Nerevar, come and look upon the heart, upon the heart, oh oh.
A more fire song has not since been created.
Lay down your weapons it is not too late for my mercy
Come nerevar, come and gaze upon the heart
Upon the heart
@Mad Hatress Souffle I'm a god. How can you kill a god? Ohoh
I just love the whole concept of Chim and the Godhead. It's like the elder scrolls and Morrowind in particular taking a number from Bill Hicks. "Today a young man on skooma realized that all matter is energy reduced to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves. Here's Dagoth Ur with the weather."
😂😂😂😂 I got a Bill Hicks vibe too. Haha
RRRRRRRRRRRREALLY FCKIN HIFH ON DRGS
Ahahahah best comment ive read on youtube in a long time
I hate morrowimd lore it doesn't make sense just to not make sense, fuck the godhead
I love Bill Hicks!
Dagothwave - Young Scrolls.
You can thank me later.
can i thank you now ?
Damn you beat me to it😂
I am a god! How can You kill a god?
Star (Adoring fan) - Young scrolls
Edit: Just go through all of Young Scrolls, they won't disappoint you
what a grand and intoxicating innocence!
Dagoth Ur welcomes you Neravar
Woah didn't expect to see you here
UwU sweet Neravar.
Dagoth Ur is unique as he isn't wholly evil. Sure he's insane and mad with power but he wasn't straight up evil.
His means of charismatic conversion was turning you into a squid monster zombie. That's pretty damn evil, by any standard.
@@jaieet He was doing something "Good" in his eyes
@@wiibrockster I don't know about that. If he believes all of reality is his dream, is good or bad even a concept anymore? Nobody else really exists - he can do whatever he wants to them.
I feel like Voryn Dagoth wasn't evil, and was actually a rather honorable and fair guy. I think he became corrupted by the Heart into Dagoth Ur, and of course, the Tribunal would twist who he really was, once was, for their own selfish reasons. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I tend to believe the accounts of the story that say that Nerevar entrusted Dagoth to guard the tools, left to consult Almsivi, was killed by Almsivi, because they were driven by greed and lust for power, and when they came to confront Dagoth Ur, he knew something was wrong because Nerevar wasn't with them. How he became connected to the Heart I'm still trying to figure out, probably something he did in haste and panic when he knew Almsivi were coming without Nerevar to make sure they couldn't get the tools. Remember, his first suggestion was to destroy them, meaning he believed nobody should possess them, not even the Almsivi. And Dagoth Ur seems honorable when you confront him in Red Mountain, leading me to believe that some traces of Voryn are still found in Dagoth Ur, beneath all the madness.
Mystery Yoghurt
What's wrong with being a squid monster zombie that violates many Japanese school girls?
listen, all im sayin is that Dagoth Ur is the nereverines only true friend
If Dagoth and the Ashlanders are right, Red Mountain was a goddamn tragedy.
Nerevar was assassinated by those he trusted (because they were convinced he'd be an obstacle on their quest to divinity), with only one of those standing for Nerevar and his ideals ending up as an eldritch abomination for his loyalty, while the Tribunal rewrites history to erase both.
@@chaospacemarine8330 yep
Voryn Dagoth was his friend and confident. Dagoth Ur is the mortal unmade, reborn as the sleeper and dreamer.
I love the metaphisical side of the lore.
Same
One of the writers probably read Descartes Meditations. Same idea, even if our world is an illusion or dream, at least your concious must exist.
So Dagoth Ur is basically the embodiment of “Is this a feature or bug?” Bethesda: yes
He is the embodiment of it just works
01:37 "... lets dive straight into Dagoth Ur."
*Well, that escalated quickly*
Always love all the care that went into the lore surrounding Morrowind.
Also, the drugs.
Massive copious amounts of drugs
Like, obscene amounts of drugs
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@@RyoKasai25 Those too.
They were obviously on a shroom eating binge. They ate tons of shrooms and thought of all this Morrowind stuff. I mean it's incredibly obvious... Just look at the environments in the game. Mushrooms everywhere, mushroom cities, etc... And then there's the writing. It's trippy writing because they were mad trippin on shrooms.
My interpretation has always been that, through a similar act of betrayal, Dagoth was inextricably linked to the essence of Lorkhan, who I've always believed to be the true dreamer, and this link has maddened him. Just as the tribunal are sort of half steps between the mortals and Azura, Boethiah and Mephala, Dagoth-Ur is trapped between what it is to be mortal, and to be Lorkhan.
Lorkhan isn't the dreamer he's merely the counterpart to auriel. The soul of half the godhead.
@@seekingabsolution1907 I don't pretend to understand everything about this period of Elder Scrolls lore, and how frankly insane it gets, but I don't see a massive distinction between being the half of the God head removed from the mortal plane, and being the Dreamer that shapes from outside it. Maybe I'm giving Lorkhan too much credit, and maybe too little to the innumerable gods that left Mundus, and obviously it's ignoring the meta reference to the developers and writers, but working within the 4th wall Lorkhan would be my best bet.
I imagine the potential dragon break situation and Ur's relationship with those circumstances also had a hand in just how absolutely mental he became.
Dagoth Ur was the only real consciously aware person, he was the godhead. Everyone else is just an NPC.
What if the elder scrolls universe is such a mess after morrowind cuz he was really the godhead and is slowly dying
What about the protagonists of the various games?
@@imdone8243 they're nothing special, besides morrowinds pc
@@pisscvre69 yes
@cart 55 I thought the DBs soul could only be claimed by Akatosh and as such he would rejoin Akatosh in death, regardless of any pacts with daedric princes
Come and look upon the heart upon the heart
ooh ooh
Damn, I late 5 hours to make this comment
Lay down your weapons, it is not too late for my mercy.
Ooh ooh
@@moch.farisdzulfiqar6123 wow
I’m a god, how can you kill a god?
@@wolflikebeast5290 such a sweet and intoxicating innocence.
I remember my meeting with Dagoth Ur as if it was yesterday even though it has been 18 years. Trekking up the slopes of the Red Mountain I had prepared well for the journey. Not only in the game but also in real life (I ate a bowl of washy rice with some sausage bits in it - I was 19 at the time and had just moved from home a little over half a year earlier). I remember it being frightening, but also the best culmination of a game that I had ever encountered. So much so that I still remember what I ate that day.
If I could, I would have sided with him, against the lying tribunal.
Also, on a relate note, I once saw a post on 4chan that explained with amazing detail the concept of being awake in death, showing the different states of dream and life, also explaining the nature of the dreamers.
And in an unrelated note, the sexiest iteration of Daddy Ur's voice is during "return to clockwork city" in elder scrolls legends, chapter 3, one of the memories of Sotha Sil
"Dead, awake and dreaming, which is even more impossible." I remember that thread, I wish I'd had the presence of mind to save it.
Do you guys have any idea how to find it?
Namefield Dagoth Guy. Search on the archives
"Is this how you honor the Sixth House, and the tribe unmourned? Come to me openly, and not by stealth"
Peace is a lie, there is only sweetrolls.
Through sweetrolls , I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
sweetrolls shall free me.
The Sith Sweetroll code more powerful then the original Sith Code that all situ feared it even Darth Jarjar but one sith did follow it and became more powerful then the first sith lord and his name was Darth Sweetidious
There is no emotion there is only sweet rolls there is no Ignorance there is only sweet rolls there is no passion there is only sweet rolls there is no Chaos there is only sweet rolls there is no death there is only sweet rolls.
The jedi sweet rolls code this code was created by the group's founder sweet roll pastryes a famous jedi wielding the power of the sweet roll
In brightest day, in blackest night,
No sweetroll; shall escape my sight.
Let those who worship daedra's might
Beware my teeth my hungers might!
Ah! The sweeth code (sweeth=sweet+sith)
"Vegetables are a Lie, there is only Cake. Through Cake I gain Calories. Through Calories I gain Mass, Through Mass I gain Diabeetus. Through DIabeetus my Blood Sugar is Broken. The Crackers shall set me Free."
-The Sith Code (as revised by Darth Baras.)
The Dwemer did NOT zero-sum. If that had happened then absolutely no trace of them, either physical or in the form of memories would remain.
The Dwemer existed before Red Mountain. Maybe they existed after Red Mountain, too.
Maybe the REASON what happened at Red Mountain cannot be figured out, is because the surviving Dwemer zero-summed afterwards.
@@jaieet they could not have zero summed, zero summing would mean thy never existed in the first place and no trace of them would remain, if they zero summed there would be no ruins and dwarven spirits, dwemer most likely moved to a different realm, or they might've gotten trapped inside the numidium
@@xxxxx6622 Zero summing doesn't null your RACE. It only nullifies you.
If ANY of the Dwemer were already dead before a zero-sum, there would still be Dwemer stuff around. And indeed, there are Dwemer ghosts all throughout Morrowind.
Also a living one who was out of town at the time.
@@jaieet dwemer dissapeared as a whole, not individually dwemer committed atrocities together and they got punished together, whatever happened happened to all of them as a race if they zero summed they would've zero summed as a race but they did not
@@xxxxx6622 No. Their ghosts and ancestors still exist. There is a LIVING dwemer in Morrowind. He's alive. You TALK to him as part of the main quest.
If Vivec Zero-Summed, it would NOT result in the Dunmer zero-summing, too. Do you understand? :P
Love how TES doesn't have an omniscient narrator. You have to take varying accounts of history and make up your own mind. It makes you think.
My first fight against Dagoth Ur was hilarious. I went in there without any of the tools but had op gear and spells so I figured it would be ok. I hit the heart and it got destoyed but it didn't trigger things right so although the model of the heart disappeared Dagoth was still immorta. After a 5 minute battle he fell into the lava but couldn't die so it became a stalemate.
Great video!
I always felt that Dagoth Ur was the best antagonist in TES.
The Daedric princes are interesting but they haven't had half the character arch that Dagoth Ur did, many of them just being powerful since their creation, Dagoth Ur however had an interesting path to reach his power, and the story of Morrowind did such a great job slowly showing Dagoth Ur's power and reach throughout the game, leading to the stand-off inside the mountain that always loomed over you on the horizon as a constant reminder of the threat while you were playing.
I can't wait to see him in Skywind. His concept art from the team looks horrifying.
I can't wait, and then they'll eventually do the expansions. Imagine how horrifying sotha sil's, creatures, will look
That is never going to finish lol. The people who lead that project have never programmed before.
Bro is still waiting
God, I wish I could romance Dagoth Ur. What an alpha male, what severe power top energy
spacemantango I don’t think he was a top when it came to Nerevar 😏
hol up
@@chaoticnart9922 wut
David hatcher I said what I said.
@@chaoticnart9922 bah
Dagoth "Daddy" Ur leader of best faction
Morrowind: You are destined to defeat a false god of metaphysical existence using CHIM to defeat him before he becomes the god of existence
Skyrim: Kill dragon by shouting
No, you do not use the "CHIM", you use enchanted equipment and weapons created by the dwemer. The CHIM is nothing more than something invented by Vivec to justify his powers, and then that would be used by Mankar Camoran to deceive his followers.
And Alduin is not a simple dragon, he is the "son" of Akatosh. Dagoth obtains his powers by means external to him, while Alduin has his powers naturally. It sounds more "epic" Alduin in that sense.
@@void9399 I wouldn't say it's nothing more than that. It's canon mention is scant for sure but in TES even the falsehoods may be true.
@@PrimusGladius
The falsehoods can not be true, it is a complete contradiction in terms. Maybe you mean that what does not have a lot of sustenance can end up being true. But the problem is that the CHIM is not completely explained in the texts where it is mentioned, but its objective is clear, to make people believe that Vivec and Camoran "got it", and with it their powers, the problem of this is that in the same games is verified that this is a complete lie, and that their powers are derived from other things. The problem is that many people do not accept this because they keep reading what Kirkbride wrote for his C0DA, where the concept of CHIM does have a function and is real. They do not understand that Elder Scrolls and C0DA are already completely different things. What is written for C0DA is not designed to answer the questions of Elder Scrolls, nor to change what has already been stipulated.
@@void9399 Oh I'm not denying the technicality of your logic, just pointing out that The Elder Scrolls has always dabbled in the contradictory and illogical. Urag gro-shub, the librarian of the College of Winterhold, in discussing the Elder Scrolls themselves says: "The simplest way to put it is 'knowledge,' but there's nothing simple about an Elder Scroll. It's a reflection of all possible futures and all possible pasts. Each reader sees different reflections through different lenses, and may come away with a different reading. But at the same time, all of it is true. Even the falsehoods. Especially the falsehoods."
Then there's other inexplicable and illogical things that have happened in the lore and are canon like the Warp in the West. Metaphysical break in time or just a convenient retcon by the developers? Both I would say. The lore is whatever they want it to be and is subject to their whims, but we are still it's interpreters.
@@PrimusGladius
Sure, Bethesda can make any change and end up being canon, especially if they use the dragonbreak. It does not matter if it ends up contradicting several things, although I doubt it very much, because if you make several contradictions, you can easily cause people who are reviewing your product to lose interest. But we're not talking about whether Bethesda makes changes in the future or not. If Bethesda will say in the future that the CHIM is something real. What is spoken is that so far, it is not canon, it is something that Kirkbride wrote for his C0DA, so it should not be mixed with Elder Scrolls.
I feel like Dagoth Ur, upon his connection with the Heart and his first death, became some kind of bizarre, twisted fusion between both himself, and whatever dreaming consciousness remained of Lorkhan. It would certainly explain and fit within the theories of this video🙂
The nerevarine does not destroy the heart, they sever the tie that Dagoth Ur has made to it. Destroy the heart and you destroy the world.
Nope the heart was destroyed
it's physical form could be destroyed (by the same tools that gave it the form of a heart, to be used in the numidium) but the heart itself and its powers cannot be truly destroyed
@@pelinalwhitestrake4196 Factually incorrect. It is the heart of the world.
The heart's physical form was sundered, sending it to an unreachable layer of existence. It is still the heart of the world, but it is now unobtainable by mortals.
@@TheRedRaccoonDog you'd be correct if Lorkhan was actually still the one anchoring Mundus in the aethereal planes, but that role has since passed on to Talos of Atmora upon mantling his position as the God of Mankind.
The Heart is still however an incredibly powerful peephole into the workings of the dream and therefore can still help one achieve either Sharmat or CHIM (if one doesn't zero-sum first) with appropriate self-introspection and equipment.
Sounds to me like Dagoth mantled Lorkan as he died by accident. Lorkan woke up in his own dream, lucid dreaming using Dagoth as an avatar. Of course he would be quite insane and feel entitled to complete world domination as the entire world is in his own head.
You guys did my suggestion!
Far out fudgemuppet, you're the best!
It's funny once you understand CHIM and anti-CHIM and all of that and how it all ties into Dagoth Ur, you realize that he could have been unstoppable. In a way, he became the supreme being in the Elder Scrolls universe and as Scott said, he was living (or rather, dreaming) in a reality of himself and in a way, he was the God head.
Since you seems to take interpretation of lore so seriously, I feel the need to correct your reading at 10:25. You are reading "Swim in the New" as one sentence and "Phlogiston" as a separate sentence, but they are the same sentence. In the real world, phlogiston was a hypothetical substance that chemists believed exist inside all thing that were flammable. It was the "element" that made burning possible and was subsequently released into the air. It is, essentially, what you were supposedly looking at when you looked at a flame. It was the prevalent theory regarding combustion up until about 1800. So when Dagoth Ur says "Tear down the pylons my blind fish; swim in the new phlogiston," he is urging his audience to enter into and embrace that which is causing the world to change. More literally, he is using Phlogiston as a metaphor for the blight and swimming in phlogiston is a call for the reader to accept his disease rather than fight it.
Of Academia and ES lore. +1 to you
Interesting stuff, thanks.
From all the books in game I could infer that Vivek and rest of tribunal killed nerevar - used tools of Kagrenak (and fought Dagoth Ur in the process because he was holding promise to Nerevar regarding prohibition of using those tools) and made themselves gods. Later when they wanted replenish their powers they encountered Dagoth Ur in the red mountain.
The only flow of events that really makes sense with the details we do know like naravar losing his feet which is a sign of dishonor. The Battle of Red Mountain occurs the dwemmer disappeared, Moon and star was likely wounded from the severe Battle but still alive at the moment. The tools are collected dagoth is entrusted with guarding them while the tribunal take nerevar away. Most likely to heal, However this is when nerevar was betrayed. And considering each member of the tribunal is supposed to represent one of the 3 daedra of the chimer. It's most likely either almalexia or Vivec to present the idea and sotha sil who figured out the tools use. Nerevar is murdered, his feet removed for disrespect being a constant so I think outdoor murder. the tribunal heads for red mountain and meet Dagoth. Dagoth Either was tempted by the artifacts and figured out how to do it by himself, Or upon finding the tribunal's arrival without nerevar he put 1 and 2 together and did something desperate to try and stop them. a rushed Attunement would explain the oddities of dagoths flawed CHIM.
I'd pay 60 bucks for a faithful remake of this game
I just want to play the original game on the switch I never got to play this game. I have PC but I hate Pc gaming I just want to game in my bed lol.
@@goldiekoi935 it would be awesome on a switch
@@goldiekoi935 Get it on pc and play with a controller that's what I do with ES games and action games in general. It runs well.
i could swear i remember dagoth telling you that your friends betrayed you(indoril nevar), vivec and alemexia wanted to be together and they wanted to be gods, but you stood in the way and so they betrayed you and you died. then they plus sotha sil, took god hood. that's why the tribunal temple hunts down and kills all of the reincarnations. it's also why your ex wife puts a hit out on you once she realizes your back from the dead. she thinks your going to be coming at her for revenge. but it's been ages since i beat morrowind(played it on the original xbox.).
Your right except that Almalexia doesn't send the Assassins its King Helseth Hlaalu because you threaten his monarchy
Yea, because Dagoth Ur is an ironclad and 100% trustable source of accurate information.
No one out there is a 100% reliable source of information. Keeping details vague opens up great RP possibilities. You can be a literal Nerevar reborn, or you are simply a random guy who gets the job done through skill, determination and tons upon tons of luck. Divayth Fyr always failed to cure Corprus, it happened only with Nerevarine. Did it happen because he was destined, or because he was a one in a million lucky? It's again vague.
@@C00kiesAplenty I trust him more than the tribunal, easily.
Cookies Aplenty I think Dagoth is far more trustworthy than the Tribunal.
The more I learn about Skyrim theology, the more I think that "belief dictates reality" applies to those that have the will to make it true.
Not the will, the means. You can't turn a rock into a computer with will power alone you need many many tools and many many steps rhat not everyone has access to. Not everything can be done alone.
@@seekingabsolution1907 We're talking about a videogame with dragons and magic. Your argument is invalid. Lol
“Entitlement to the domination of reality.” What a sentence.
0:01 when you hit an endermen in creative mode and it tries to attack you
PERFECT
Lol😂😂😂
Man I love Dagoth's trippy dancing as he casts spells
Watching this makes me want to replay Morrowind. I doubt that I'm alone in this.
What a grand and intoxicating innocence.
Well that's just like your opinion, n'wah.
A video on the Lessons of Vivec would be amazing. Most of my understanding of Morrowind-era lore comes from FudgeMuppet videos, and anything Vivec says post-achieving Chim is intriguing, since it often gives nuggets of knowledge about the Godhead.
“Dagothwave” by Young Scrolls = the essence of Dagoth Ur’s character
Why'd you mod his voice :(
Dagoth Ur's gotta be the most tragic villain in TES.
You should do a hypothetical video on what would happen if you COULD join Dagoth Ur’s side. When you’re about to kill him, he asks you to join him multiple times, but you still can’t.
The Dwemer are the citizens of Jyggalag’s new domain, now that he’s been freed from the curse that is Sheogorath. The Dwemer seem like they’d get along with a god of order. #TinFoilHat
Loving this theory.
You should do a video on the maomer elves and on Orgnum. They have a very interesting history and Orgnum himself is also rather cool.
Until in the Elder Kings, Orgnum death came and it went total Chaos for me XD
I like all these lore vids, literally, with the thumb up, but I gotta point out one error:
The Heart of Lorkhan cannot be destroyed. You can only use Sunder and Keening to break, or perhaps erase, the enchantments placed on it by Kagrenac and/or Dagoth Ur.
From "The Monomyth"
"But when Trinimac and Auriel tried to destroy the Heart of Lorkhan it laughed at them. It said, "This Heart is the heart of the world, for one was made to satisfy the other." So Auriel fastened the thing to an arrow and let it fly long into the sea, where no aspect of the new world may ever find it."
From "Kagrenac's Tools"
"Beneath Red Mountain, Dwemer miners discovered a great magical stone. By diverse methods, Lord Kagrenac, High Priest and Magecrafter of the ancient Dwemer, determined that this magical stone was the heart of the god Lorkhan, cast here in the Dawn Era as a punishment for his mischief in creating the mortal world."
Others get this wrong too (even a uesp page, 'tho most uesp pages don't), and it's not even a huge deal in practical terms, but knowing it can't be destroyed means it can reappear in future games WITHOUT breaking lore, that's all.
If you think about it, even IF you could destroy the Heart, you'd probably destroy the world in the process.
In skyrim septimus signus thinks that in the dwemer box is heart of god and in dragonborn dlc there is dwemer something hidden in basement of a house and there is sound of beating. Maybe those are the hints that in TES6 heart will have its comeback
Literally only here because of the surpluss of Dagoth Ur ai voice memes
So based on what the video said.....
Does this mean if the Nerevarine failed then, the restored House Dagoth would've been the Dunmer version of 4E Thalmor, right?
I wonder how they'd interact with the actual Thalmor, imagine their wars....
The second numidium vs the thalmor would have been a very funny thing to witness.
Actually the world of the victorious Dagoth in the events of Morrowind is the World of the collapsed empire. At first, Dagoth, using the corprus, created an entire army of monsters for himself. He would have cleansed Morrowind of everyone who would dare to openly oppose emus, that is, about half of all Morrowind, whether it be the Imperials or the followers of the Tribunal that still believed in the power of their gods. Then he would take up the issue of arranging a new Morrowind. He would have decided for a while to leave the rest of the continent in peace, putting things in order in the interior of his country. The Thalmor would have been delayed with the coming to power because there is no Oblivion Crisis. Dagon is not a fool to repeat the same mistakes. He then understands that even if he invades, there is a risk of losing to the same Dagoth and only making it easier for him to capture Tamriel. So Dagoth would simply continue to gradually undermine the Empire from the inside and prepare for the invasion.
Dang it thought I had a good grip on my understanding of Morrowind Lore, but I’ve never considered the concept of “anti-CHIM.” Super fascinating.
I want the false tribunal, Dagoth Ur and Nerevar to come back from dead and rice again and restore Morrowind is my dream
Rise*?
@@genobreaker1054 yea I kill my English anyway you didn't answer do you want the 4 guys to come back?
@@giorgosgeorgiou1702 For me i certainly do, I also pretty much prefer the nerevarine than the last dragonborn
@@giorgosgeorgiou1702 didn't see that as a question, sorry.
To be honest, I'm an Elder Scrolls peasant who came on scene with Skyrim. I watch channels like this on to learn more about the lore of games I simply don't have the time to play, unfortunately. I like what I hear, and it sounds like an awesome story arc for a game though!
@@AngronTheRedAngelme too but I prefer Nerevar who his soul is in nerevarine body
He's a god, how can you even kill a god?.
*WHAT A GRAND AND INTOXICATING INNOVENCE*
Shame on you, sweet Nerevar.
Come and look upon the heart...
... Upon The heart.
The tragedy of Dagoth Ur is that his interfering with The Heart Of Lorkan caused two opposing timelines to merge, one where the Tribunal betrayed the Nerevar to become gods, and one where the Tribunal were always gods and there was no betrayal. Dagoth Ur's assumption upon meeting your character is that you're *his* Nerevar reincarnated, but it's much more likely that you're from the timeline where the betrayal never occurred. His actions destroyed *his* Nerevar.
Dagoth Ur: I'm a god.
My brain: /music starts
Come Nerevar, friend or traitor, come
Dagoth: Lay down your weapons. It is not too late for my mercy.
My head: Ooh... Ooh... Ooh.
I like to believe that the Dagoth Ur that we see in the game is some kind of avatar of the real Dagoth Ur, like how the Nerevarine is to the player. It looks like Dagoth is another player going on an opposite path from the Nerevarine and ready to fight him to know which destiny will be fulfilled at the heart chamber.
SO IM GONNA SAY IT AND NOBODY CAN STOP ME: MORROWIND WAS THE FIRST PVP EXPERIENCE IN ELDER SCROLLS HISTORY
So... basically, every time we're playing Morrowind and completing main quest line, we're screewing someone's RTS/4X match through RPG mechanics.
My favorite recurring thing about the Elder Scrolls is that not only are you placed right into the middle of important events in the history of the lore, but you are also powerful and important enough to be effecting that history creating the illusion that you have control over the overarching story
We need to know more about Dagoth Ur’s early life...Voryn Dagoth: An Elder Scrolls Story
Wow, I finally get to apply the most abstract concepts from my philosophy class...nifty-not quite where I expected to do so-but cool. 👏👍 nice work!
Relatable
Anyone else here after the random surge of dagoth ur memes
*dagothwave playing in the distance*
Honestly I think I like the original voice for Dagoth Ur instead of the modded one. The VA had a very polite demeanor to his voice thus making him seem all the more menacing. It’s also like having a maniac having a sane persona, this making them all the more scary.
What is the mod that changes his voice in this video?
So basically ascension through divine ego clarity and unbreakable willpower
IS THIS HOW YOU HONOR THE SIXTH HOUSE AND THE TRIBE UNMOURNED ?!
Tucker interview bought me here
Elder Scrolls is more Lovecraftian than i imagined!
Chim = you wake up from the dream.
Anti Chim: you're a lucid dreamer.
No. Completely wrong.
Zero-sum = you wake up from the dream
CHIM = you're a lucid dreamer
Anti-CHIM = you're the false dreamer
Dagoth Ur be like: “What if you were just my dream. Jk haha, unless…”
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Anyone else just want to hear Dagoth Ur's lore read by Dagoth Ur?
That would be awesome!
Let's make it happen
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If i could, I would have joined Dagoth Ur.
Dagoth Ur is not insane, I heard him on Joe Rogan and he is really together.
I had Oblivion but my computer was so outdated when I was a kid that I wasn't able to play it. I've never played any of these games but I can't help to think that it's only half a tier away from being top-quality mythology. It's interesting to learn about all the lore and characters.
Oh yeah. A lot of it is in in-game books but it's really a wild ride lore wise. Imo the actual games themselves aren't even as interesting as everything that happened before the games took place. Still great games.
You said at 6:18 that the dwemer zero sumed but that is impossible. Why is it impossible? When you zero sum you don't just disappear, you get wiped out of time in present, future and most importantly past. So basically a person that zero sums never existed no one can remember that person because that person and consequently all creations and works of that person never existed. That's why the dwemer couldnt have zero sumed. We know they existed, we even know the names of some of them and the ruins and machines they build still exist, thus they couldn't have zero sumed.
Unless it happened later - long enough after the battle was resolved and key figures were killed, that the remaining dwemer's disappearances only muddled history.
@@jaieet That cant be because of Kagrenac. He was the one who used the tools on the heart which resulted in their disappearance. So we have a named individual and thus the explanation cant be zero sum.
Also on another note how would using some tools on a heart give every dwemer the ephiphany that everything is just a dream?
@@hermaeusmora424 Because they are linked telepathically like a pseudo hive-mind.
It's also worth noting that just because people SAY Kagrenac used the tools, doesn't mean he actually was the one who did.
Kagrenac merely suggesting the tools be used, then being killed, is enough to fix this paradox. Some nameless Dwemer takes it upon himself to do what a professional should have, and nobody remembers a thing about the Dwemer disappearance.
@@jaieet the entire concept of chim (from what I understand of it) is just another layer of Vivecs lies. The true source of power is purely the heart.
I think the idea of Chim and alot of what Vivev directly says to the player character about the mechanics of being a God is breaking the fourth wall and parralels perfectly with playing a computer game.
If anything, if Chim has any truth to it whatsoever its likely to be the playable charachter who has achieved it. Which would explain why we never have any memory of events previous to the beginning of the game.
Honestly always loved the fact that no matter how "powerful" the living gods say they are it only took 1 dedric prince to change an entire culture and all the people within physically changing their skin and eyes and yet with all their power and God like abilities combined they could not undue what was done to their people. Kinda shows their real strength
Hell yes, Dagoth is my favorite TES character of all time.
Bro! I spent hours thinking about his motives. I remember pondering the plot, getting distracted, and getting killed by the same damn cliffracer for the 3rd time. I miss this game badly 😭 lol
This guy scared me the first time I seen him when I was a kid
I only just started playing marrowind and I’m very thankful I found your channel I really liked this “villian” this game is so fun and I love being able to understand it a bit better thank you for putting in the time to explain this!
here in 2023 now that dagoth ur is a meme
How unique , I had no idea Dagoth Ur believed he was the center of reality , The False Sleeper. Thanks for the cool video .
Narevar have you ever heard of shy lilly
Interesting to consider on top of Dagoth leaving no body behind after we defeat him is that he has a soul value of 0 like a centurion which has no soul to trap (Vivec has a value of 1000)