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- Open your third eye, Dreamer, and see Dagoth Ur's Divine Plan...
Should you trust him?
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
1:40 - Skyrim
1:55 - Wake Up
3:16 - The Chimer and the Dwemer
5:19 - Dagoth Ur Discovers the Heart of Lorkhan
7:23 - Nerevar and Dumac
9:30 - Chimer vs Dwemer vs Nord
12:22 - Azura Creates the Dunmer
14:50 - Dagoth Ur's Plans
20:07 - Dagoth Ur Wins - เกม
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Dagoth Ur is what a betrayed loyal hero becomes after death and ressurection against his own will... a tragic tale indeed.
Dagoth Ur was a SNAKE before the events at Red Mountain, and he never died in the events there; he was badly injured but escaped, and later recovered the tools of Kagrenac and used them to make himself a god just as Vivec and Almalexia did, the difference being that he was far more twisted than either of them...
His immortality is proof that he betrayed Nerevar.
If he was loyal, he wouldn't have used the heart in the first place.
@@JimIBobIJones Bruh he double crossed the Dwemer by telling Nerevar about the Heart, then he double crossed Nerevar by telling the Nords about the Heart, then he double crossed everyone by taking the Heart for himself. Dagoth Ur is a legit sh*t bag.
@@fresh2182 the official narrative is written by the victors - the tribunal - and contradicted in other sources within the game itself. It is heavily hinted and all but confirmed that it is actually the tribunal themselves that betrayed and murdered Nerevar as he was wary of their promise to Azura and refused to let anyone use the heart. This creates a massive open question about the real history of Dagoth Ur.
The developers intentionally left it ambiguous what happened at red mountain, who betrayed who, when and how.
But one thing that is indisputable by the very fact that he is a) alive and b) immortal is that Dagoth Ur did use the heart well before the tribunal did and before Nerevar died. Which means Dagoth is definitely guilty of betraying Nerevar and Azura on the oath as much as the Tribunal.
@@JimIBobIJones You're right about the unreliable narrator, but the thing is that *EVERY* version of events, across every culture, from Nord, to Ashlander, to House/Tribunal, all basically call Dagoth Ur a devil/betrayer if he is mentioned at all, and it's obvious from how twisted he is in game that he never was a good person.
What a grand and intoxicating innocence.
(Try the Great House Dagoth mod when you fall in love with Dagoth Ur, it's really great and has multiple endings, totally improves the vanilla main quest to have real options.)
how could you be so naive
Sweet Nerevar.
Shame on you
I'm a God. How can you kill a God?
Or rather guilt?
Daddy Dagoth 😩
Sweet Nerevar 😏🌋
_Get in the Heart Chamber, Nerevar. We're making Morrowind great again!_
MMGA make Morrowind great again. As it should be
"So this is how you honor the second thumb and the feature unmourned?"
@@Dislike-kq9uqI can't tell of this is genuine or mocking cringe
What cringe? @@user-wj1kg8qo3p
I disagree with your image, thumbs UP, actually.
Dagoth Ur waves his arms around wearing nothing but a mask and his underwear and everyone thinks it's cool.
I do it, and my neighbors call the police. Not fair.
Get a better mask and more stylish underwear, duh. They're objecting to your fashion.
Get pecs bro
How can you arrest a god?
@@thatguy771ify what a grand and intoxicating innocence
Probably because that’s his fighting stance should’ve shot fireballs from your hands
This is the first video I've watched on Dagoth Ur that truly gets the character, right down to the little details. The musical theme of the sixth house tying into Lorkan as the drum. His madness in thinking the divine disease is a benevolent gift, when its killing his people. Being dead himself, but dreaming he is alive. You'd be surprised how many people gloss over this stuff, but I'd say its integral to what makes him a unique, interesting character, and a tragic villain. Bravo Drewmora!
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I always thought that he was just so arrogant and delusional that he believed everyone was just one of his separate physical bodies, so it didn’t matter what exactly happened to them.
@@floobybadoop6814 I am dagoth me, you are dagoth you, and we all are dagoth ur :-p
😮👏
@@floobybadoop6814Dagoth Smith
I always saw Dagoth as someone who had his heart in the right place but got corrupted. He was against the slaying of the Elf King and especially by his most loved council. Dagoth wanted to protect the heart and the chymer but got twisted in the process.
His heart was indeed in the right place.
He had an extra chamber for it. 🥁
If only he wasn't such a shameless racial supremacist...
In Dagoth Ur's mind, everyone is him. So he is essentially trying to convince himself to trust himself.
never have i heard a more relatable dilemma
*In the Citadels of the Sixth House Dagoth Ur waits dreaming.*
I understood that reference lol
Morrowind was my first ever elder scrolls game. I adore it. Know one thing I always wished they had done? Given the anti hero option. You can’t side with Dagoth Ur even if you wanted to.. but he offers many times. I thought it would be a cool option to have even way back then.
Morrowind was my 1st Elder Scrolls amd my 1st rpg that wasn't JRPG. I too adore it. I always hated the tribunal as turn coats and now zealots and empathize with Dagoth but not enough to betray Azura. I was always hard core in her corner since she first spoke to me.
the only reason they didn't allow it is because it would require a dragonbreak in order to retain the cohesion of the saga. it seems like they put a lot of work into preventing choices that can't be included into the canon at least broadly.
@@entropicflux8849 good point in fact. Somethings thou.. are often left open ended by player characters. Like decisions in big quest lines.. in future games they say it's unknown if ( for example) the neravarine did this.. or whether they did that.. while some things are concrete. Seems they could've had a ending where even taking the evil route.. eventually something corrected it ect. Just a fun idea I guess. At the same time this may be one of those concrete things.
@@brandonbest8489 yeah, they could have had dagoth ur win in a way that still proves asura correct if they had put some effort into it. and at the end of the day, there's always dragon breaks to rely on...
I had the same feeling, back when I played Morrowind a lot. You're sort of given the impression that you'll get to make up your own mind, but then you're just railroaded into the canon ending.
Back then I found a mod, Endrek's Sixth House mod, which allows you to rise from the lowly rank of Sleeper to join Dagoth Ur against the Tribunal and the Imperials. I had a lot of fun with it. I've no idea if the mod is still compatible with the current version of Morrowind, but if you still have the game it might be worth looking into.
I've heard the voices of Dagoth Ur as of late. He is himself and not himself at the same time. One instance he'd be formal and approachable, and the next thing you know he becomes vulgar and erratic. I've seen visions of him and one of the Four Corners of the House of Troubles reciting the Lusty Argonian Maid, and another I've seen him with the rest of the Sixth House and the Tribe Unmourned discussing the first of the 36 lessons of Vivec. I've heard him praying to Lorkhan for a shy and sensitive companion, and another surprised about the Nerevarine being among the very stock of slaves that all Dunmer owned.
"The other week I heard him say *can a N'wah borrow a sweet roll*, and my first thought wasn't*oh my god he said the n word*, it was N'wah, how is you gonna borrow a sweet roll? Is you gonna give it back?"
Surely months have passed and yhe revelation dawned upon me. The Divine Disease has taken a new form. No longer the Corpus offers eternal life and force them to sing to tye whims of Dagoth. They opened themselves to Amaranthic Insight and offered their voices into this strange new song. They are now aware yet unaware, being forced to say and sing things inocuous to blasphemous by mysterious forces like what Boethia did to Trinimac back in the Merethic Era. Now it begins to spread to parts unknown.
N'wah what?
I have also heard the voice of the sharmat, but he was talking about gnomes, and receiving a traumatic brain injury from an impact with a Menards truck, what a grand and intoxicating innocence, how can you diagnose a god?
"omg you're being forcibly possessed by some guy who thinks he is the creator of everything! We have to keep you awake or he'll possess you. Quick sit down and let me give you a lecture!" - Drew the Daedrologist
*Falls asleep and is possessed*
" Who put this person to sleep?"
I really enjoy this style of video, the mix between a lore video and an in universe story where you play a character is so unique and something i rarely see. You should do more of this!
I hated it. I wanted a lore video, not a fucking roleplay.
Kinda' like the old Shoddycast days.
Mmm. Yes I found it amazing!
When did the Aedra become Limitfull earth bones? What is he saying at 17:05?
Come, Moon-and-Star. I have prepared a Minecraft server for us.
Congratulations on receiving a place amongst House Telvanni! You are truly a promising Daedrologist considering they granted you your own tower!
Ehh. Isn't the best way to advance in telvanni to slaughter anyone who opposes your ascension?
Nothing some poison can't help
Dagoth Ur is such an unusually interesting villain coming from Skyrim and Oblivion. He isn't a one-sided villain and if given the chance, I think many would actually join him against the Tribunal.
Doing so means essentially giving up all free will and becoming him.
It definitely would have made killing Alamexia(cant spell her name) more intresting
There's a possibility that even Alduin of all villains may be like this. Paarthanax will mention at some point, "Those who wish to delay the end only hasten it Those who hasten the end only delay it." It implies that there might be a threat out there someone tried to change the scheduling of when the end is supposed to happen. While the literal end of Nirn or Mundus seems like a bad thing there is meant to be a next world. For all everyone knows within Nirn the next world is meant to be a true paradise.
Those who want to hasten the end of the current world want their paradise 'right now' never mind the wishes of the Divines. Those who want to delay it clearly do not have the people of NIrn's best interest at heart.
@@chadharger9323 I always wished to have an option to join Alduin. He seems to have a valid point since he is basically a god-sent being that is just doing his job of cleaning the world. Also I would rather join a powerful godly dragon in destroying the world than live in the same world led by those Aldmeri Dominion dumbasses.
@@RestInPieceBro But the best way to eat time is to do nothing and sit on your butt. that eats time really well.
This feels like that one Dr Who episode with the kids in gas masks where we all thought it was going to be fine and watched it before bed and then went to sleep traumatised except I’m 20 now and Dagoth Ur is trying to explode my brain
Are you my mummy?
Are you my mummy?
Are you my mummy?
Are you my mummy?
wtf
Who can be trusted to be honest about the Battle of Red Mountain? Dagoth Ur? Vivec? Wulfharth? Alandro Sul? Dro'Zira?
I am waiting for the Orc version of events as they seem like least likely group to use deception in their storytelling.
Oh interesting I'm looking forward to it too now.
It's hard to find out the real facts as to what happened when truth is malleable by design.
For all we know, we're actually following 1 side of a dragon break because the other side, Dagoth Ur destroyed the world in others.
@@thepopemichael I read somewhere that a Morrowind developer said the team didn't decided which version of events is true by the time of the game's completion.
I do find it amusing that the ESO developers decided to throw in Khajiit warriors into the mix to made things more confusing instead of adding clarification.
@@badluck5647 To be fair, they were there already according to lore (Five Songs of King Wulfharth mentions it).
@@neoqwerty That is the Nordic version of events. You don't hear the orc perspective.
Drew's out here making a series about the 36 Lessons and still has time to tackle the topic of Dagoth Ur, what a legend
I wish the pre-oblivion elder scrolls lore continued it's was more unique and interesting then the more standard fantasy it became after morrowind
As a character, Dagoth-Ur is literally just the Underking. In life he was an advisor to a respected military and cultural leader, and died when he was betrayed by someone he trusted. Centuries later he returns as a powerful, God-like being, whose lifeforce is tied to an object that is both the stone for one of the Towers of creation and the power source for the Numidium. He serves as the main antagonist for his game, yet he remains in a secluded, mountainous region during the events of the game, waiting for his power to return, communicating with the outside world through his agents. The political powers in the region paint him as a purely evil entity that simply wants to destroy everything, but the truth is far from black and white, and he actually has good reasons for doing what he's doing.
Woah. Likening Voryn Dagoth to Zurin Arctus is... really, *really* opening up paths of thinking for me.
A good villain always has sympathetic goals, or sound reasoning for their motivations.
Doesn',t make them any less evil in application though
didn't he want to enslave everybody that isn't a dark elf? is there ever a good reason to do something like that?
Kinda useless answer but Dagoth-Ur with a - is one of the many Red Mountain’s name, like in Arena. Without the - it’s the character. Lore wise it is because with time some people started thinking Dagoth Ur was Dagoth-Ur as he was the mad god under the mountain.
That is an excellent comparison but Dagoth Ur's reasoning and methods weren't good at all. Voryn Dagoth was likely an honorable good man but when he was killed whatever connection he formed with the tainted heart gave him a twisted corrupted and confused form of Chim. He actually thought he was the dreamer which means he actually thought reality was his dream and he was the god above all gods. The heart was twisted and corrupted by centuries of dwemer tampering and Dagoth got fucked over bigtime because of that. You got to remember that the dwemer already messed with the heart so much that there whole race ceased to age and if they weren't physically killed they could live forever. On top of that moment before Dagoth was told to guard the heart Kagranack used it and made his whole race vanish. That heart would not be something I would want to spend long periods of time around.
I feel like I’ve ascended to a higher level of consciousness after this video. Masterfully done as always Drew ❤️
At this point, I bet Drew has said "nerevar" more than anybody else on the planet 😆
I always knew Dagoth did nothing wrong, now drew is confirming my suspicions!
Great vid as always dude.
The part where you tell your listener not to fall asleep was super meta for me because I was actually dozing off before bed while watching your video and suddenly I hear that in the middle of my dream that was starting up LOL that was sUPER trippy
The video ain't long enough to fall asleep to
@@vexile1239 people exist before the video starts...?
I sense a plothole here:
- The Tribunal kills Nerevar, while Dagoth guards the tools
- The Tribunal walks to the heart to get divinity
- Dagoth knows what had happened as his skin was also changed
- The Tribunal "kills" Dagoth
- The Tribunal ascendes to godhood
- Azura curses the Chimer/Dunmer with ashen skin
How did Dagoth get the cursed skin even before the Tribunal became living gods?
Dagoth wasn't completely dead, unknown to the Tribunal. The Heart sustained him and his skin changed.
Dagoth Ur was a Chimer when he was struck down and is still one in the events of the game. His skin became dark because of Red Mountain's ashes (just like those ash vampires you see in the game). That volcano practically spewed ash 24/7.
Dragonbreaks be weird like that. Also, all of the parties involved in the affair who you can talk to are unreliable narrators.
@@aumediwibisana4613
Possible. Hadn't considered that before.
@@Xbalanque84 What I understand is that whether Nerevar was betrayed or not, AlmSiVi used Kagrenac's tools on the Heart of Lorkhan. This is what angered Azura as they broke their promise. It happened after Dagoth Ur was taken down. In the version where Nerevar wasn't betrayed, it was Nerevar himself that killed Dagoth Ur. On the other where Nerevar was betrayed, it was AlmSiVi who killed Dagoth Ur.
I'll be the first to admit this... Even if Oblivion will always be my favorite Elder Scrolls, Dagoth Ur will always remain my favorite villain in the series.
Mainly because he had the right idea, but he carried those intentions out in the worst way possible. With Corprus. And his history with the Nerevarine was certainly a nice little touch.
Anyway, love the video!
Between Drew’s accent and the Tamrielic names, TH-cam’s auto-captions has some VERY interesting spellings! 😂
Anybody else read the runes at 1:42? The effort did not go to waste
This video honors the Sixth House and the Tribe Unmourned.
Dagoth Ur is possibly one of my favorite antagonists and characters in the Elder Scrolls series, the enlightenment and knowledge that the Heart whispered to Voryn had simultaneously drove him insane but brought him closer to the genuine yet misinterpreted understanding of what the Towers, Wheel, and the Godhead was. Loremasters and mages would probably put all the coin and possibly even a limb on the line to acquire this knowledge without zero-summing or being driven insane beyond comprehension of what reality is. And the story betrayal at the hands of the False Tribunal really makes me resonate with Voryn Dagoth and his best friend in battle, Nerevar. Dagoth Ur's goals were definitely misguided and detrimental to the fate of Tamriel, but the Heart Drum conceived a plot of destruction and plague hidden behind the masquerade of divinity and enlightenment closer to the Sharmat and I feel as if the Tribunal had it coming once they grew greedy and treacherous against their own kinfolk.
Literally woke me up with “hey wake up”
I spent most of the day at my five year old nieces birthday party and it nearly broke me so I really needed this 😩 thanks Drew
I hope you got her a copy of Morrowind for her birthday!
@@DrewmoraYT Every five year old girls dream present 😂
This some of the most engaging and well-constructed fantasy lore ever delivered on this platform. Serious talent.
The tribunal brought this upon themselves, and unleashed a nightmare upon the Dream.
The weakness of mortals often creates the largest demons we will ever have to confront.
The framing device and presentation here is seriously cool as hell. Really serves to pull the viewer into the setting. I personally adore that sort of thing. To some extent it gives me like a variation of the Storyteller vibes back when Shoddycast was at their height.
Keep up the great work, dude.
I read, "farming device" with argonians being first thing that came to my mind. I venerated the house unmourned too much it seems.
@@kharngotrekson1726 That is entirely fair. But I would never consider a farm tool 'cool as hell', it wouldn't honor the sixth house.
I now know what it must have been like to be Tay from ‘Poison Song’, walking up the Volcano. This is by far one of the best TES lore videos I have ever watched and one that really captures the essence of Dagoth Ur and his influence.
Excellent video as always. TES has some amazingly well written characters. The Underking (Zurin Arctus in particular), Dagoth Ur, Ulfric Stormcloak. These three listed, among others, have remarkably similar stories with themes of a strong sense of loyalty followed by a betrayal, causing them to become what can be perceived as villainous, and each justified in different ways.
It's lovely to see you out on your own. I hadn't realized you separated from Fudgemuppet. Have you considered reaching out to Michael Kirkbride and maybe doing an audio series of an original series? There's a ton of room for the stories of failed nerevarine, and a lot of other topics
I am definitely not here due to the vast quantity of dank Dagoth Ur memes hitting the internet due to AI voice technology, no definitely not that.
Seeing the thumbnail, then the title, then the video length.... Ooof the excitement.
"CAST THEM INTO THE FIRE! DESTROY THEM!" Why do those words coming from an Elf sound familiar?
As a mainly Skyrim and Oblivion player, the lore behind Dagoth Ur was almost conpletely unknown to me. Thanks for another great video, Drew!
Morrowind lore blows skyrim and oblivion out of the water
Dammit TH-cam, quit changing my bells. I had mine set for all notifications from this channel, just happened to get lucky and see this video as the 3rd one down on my recommended, otherwise idk when I would have seen it. Well I guess it works out, glad I caught it within a reasonable timeframe at least.
Im completely obsessed with the intro and i find myself coming to this video every couple of weeks.
What a grand and intoxicating presentation.
He's a god, how could anyone kill a god?
What a grand and intoxicating innocence!
Malakath - This is Scourge. Perhaps you've heard of it?
@@chadharger9323 Lay down your weapons. it is not too late for his mercy.
@@lazulenoc6863 A great physical and/or mental trauma will do something worse to a divine or daedric prince. Lokran(shattered body), Trinimac(now Malakath both mentally and physically), and Jiggy(now mentally Sheogorath) found out the hard way. For mortals at least they die. These immortal beings really don't have that luxury of being released from that kind of suffering.
Man that interview he did with Tucker made so much sense.
Here we gooooo! More Drewmora goodness.
Also that title seems right up my alley. Metaphysics, let’s go!
Hell yeah 😎🤜🤛
If only there was a mod to join The 6th House and pilot Alulakan like Mech Warrior
5:52
Dagoth: aight so look, y’all are like my henchman ok? Don’t just let anybody walk in. ok? with there telvani hats, or RNG broken armor they got from a random bosmer, or Mickey D.
Wow! what an awesome video in it's entirety!
I had visitors and couldnt watch the whole thing. i just came back and was absolutely engulfed by it.
What a lot of work you went through to create this for us.
Thank you tons!
I really enjoy how you did this video. Through this fantastic editing and storytelling you really made this a joy of a video to watch.
Drew, I absolutely love the direction you have taken your TES Lore videos, keep up the great work!
Such great video, very entertaining and filled with lore!
He called me his moon-and-star and prepared a place just for me where we side-by-side drive the mongrel Empire out of Morrowind and free the false gods of the tribunal. I would do anything for him.
You're damn good Drew, damn good.
Definitely your best video yet. Thanks Drew
As always, this is excellent Drew. But you know what I'm waiting for, what I crave, what I need - give me my next lesson on the Sermons of Vivec!
This was such a macabre story-telling. I love it. It was especially haunting when I was actually going to bed the first time I watched it. Trippy. I was always on the fence with Dagoth, as I keep playing Devil's Advocate with his story/reasons, but this was the right amount of creepy and awe that I can't help but want to hear the Doom Drum again........
THAT WAS FANTASTIC!!!!! PLEASE keep up the great work. I can't wait to see more!!!
Great poetry man. Couldn’t believe the intro was still going after 3 minutes 😅
dang. that first bit and the last bit gave me actual goosebumps. great job.
This intro was one of your best works imo, great Drew.
Wonderful video once again! Keep up the great work as usual!
That was awesome! Thank you! 💜
I absolutly love the immersion, you put me in the 1st person and it felt like i was there, secondly Voryn Dagoth and his house is my absolute favorite element in ES lore, he was the good guy
New favourite channel discovered, and this couldn't have happened at a better time as I'm currently running two Telvanni themed playthroughs, one in Skyrim and it's DLC's and one in Morrowind.
I love listening to every lore video to listen and be calm to thank you Drew!
Beautiful, just beautiful!
Thank for that work, love it.
Great! Drew's video just in time :) Thanks Drew for all your content, I'm loving it!
I will do what I must to honor the Sixth House and the Tribe Unmourned.
This video was FANTASTIC! I can't wait till the next one
Sir, you alone have reached heaven by violence, sprung Amaranth and have always been the True Dreamer. 200/10, amazing work, stunning narration. Honestly this should be included in the game :P.
Great setup for the episode!
you have such an unchained and wonderful whimsy, it's refreshing and soothing thanks for story time man
Really well done!
From now on this will become one of my favorite TES lore videos ever
Ah a sizable lore video, mixed with a bit of Telvanni role-play eh? I'm down for that.
What a grand and intoxicating channel
You are actually my favorite youtuber on the entire platform, crazy how well these videos are made, please keep it up your doing great ❤️❤️❤️
Thanks, King ❤
What a fuckin intro. One of the fastest likes I gave to a video from a tuber I've never watched before.
I swear Drew i'm not sleeping i'm just resting my eyes.
And Drew this was an amazing video and experience keep up the great work!
watched this video as I was falling asleep the other night and it was very trippy lol
the delivery was "Godly". You have my respect; As well as my subscription.
Hands down one of the best listenable video I've heard in a while
That’s why I don’t mess with the Heart of Lorkan.
Right there.
That’s the reason.
That was excellent, Drew.
This is my new thing to get sleepy with and I love it !
This is so informative! Great job, fantastic reporting!🌻🌼🐝 Keep it up 🙌
Well done! I love how esoteric the lore of the Elder Scrolls is.
That was one hell of a trip lmfao
fantastic as usual
Awesome Video!
Beautiful.
This is awesome.
Dagoth Ur is badass.
I only watched fudgemuppet for drews well thought contents. Glad that youtube algo brought me to this new channel! More power to you drewmora! safe travels!
That was a deep explanation, thanks man
So glad you got your own channel bro! You are easy on the ears and I enjoyed your voice over the FM guys. I watched FM way back in 2013, but they've changed. I'm glad you are independent:)
I loved that intro.
It took me a while to come to this new channel of your after you decided to split with fudgemuppet. But I’m glad I eventually did. I love your vids so much man keep it up!!