Basic Full House Glider setup
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 พ.ค. 2018
- How to set up and program a simple foamy full house glider in OpenTX. (Additional: Elevator needs to be retrimmed or offset after adding the ele/flap mix, or leave the "X less than zero" line in the mix) "Full House" means the glider has ailerons, flaps, elevator and rudder all on separate channels which can be programmed and mixed in many ways For example - normal ailerons, camber on a 3 position switch, crow braking on the left slider, elevator compensation to prevent pitch up when braking.
This setup is kept simple by not including reflex and full span ailerons, where the flaps would have to move upwards.
I'll talk about INPUTS screen, differential and curves in a future video.
Here is a more complete full house model for a Phoenix 2000 - drive.google.com/open?id=1QAS...
Here's a blog page explaining it in more detail newtonairlines.blogspot.com/2...
Phoenix Evolution - bit.ly/2xLkX7z
Taranis X9D+ - bit.ly/2B0B6bv
LiPo sensor - bit.ly/2jVw7BL
G-RX8 vario + receiver - bit.ly/2mVmvsp
X8R Receiver- bit.ly/2BriRyP
High Precision Vario - bit.ly/2ze49Jo
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Thanks Andrew for taking the time to do this... This clears up alot of things, can't wait to try on my Phoenix 2000!
Go for it Mike
Thanks for posting this Andrew .. I've been flying for quite a while now but never fully understood some of the more advanced functions of the transmitter. This video is one for the reference library I think.
No Problem Steve. I forgot to say the elevator needs 10% offset or retrimming back to level after adding the elevator/flap mix
I'll be referring back to this in the near future to Steve, Painless does some great tutorials, but there always on the PC. Never really got the hang of that. PC's & I, are not best of friends.
Thanks Andrew once more. Setting up my Volantex 2000 for 'serious' gliding...
Love gliders, they will work great here on the farm, there is always wind and lots of hills for slope soaring. Thanks for the tips
Lucky Steve
Andrew! I’ve always been intimidated to program my Taranis , I usually used it primarily for quads because I needed just one model. I set up my ASW28 last night using your video- thank you so much for this video, I can’t wait to fly it again. I did most the mods to this glider as well, ie: removing the wood tray and wheel. Thanks again- you made programming seem easy!
Excellent. The Taranis can be simple or crazy complicated. I always go for the simplest setup.
This is a great video, and I have seen lots of them! I am working on a Phoenix 2000 setup and this is my first setup with a S8S and a "new to me" Taranis X9D+. Already updated OpenTx on the radio and the firmware for both the transmitter and receiver to ACCST 2.1.0. Lots of things to learn at one time, but I am really enjoying your stuff. Great job at explaining complex things in an interactive way. Thanks...
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you Andrew, this video really helped! I recently bought an X-lite and your info really crystallised the Opentx programming approach for me. Where others videos offered 20mins of a 'programmer's' view point, yours gives a simple, no nonsense user's guide. The 3 mins in the middle gave me pretty much all I needed to grasp the concept, especially useful that it's all via the tx rather than through a PC. I want to be able to tweak stuff at the field without lugging around a laptop! Thanks again!
You're very welcome!
@@AndrewNewton i would add that from a beginner standpoint it would be nice if you gave a quick definition of terms. I'm new to the hobby, i understand flight controls aileron, elevator, flaps, rudder etc. but have no idea about radio jargon. Whats EXPO? Why 30%? What does SB mean in SB switch? etc etc
Been flying a Volantex ASW28 in a confined landing space with flaps and ailerons on Y lead...what a hellava difference this setup makes (crow) thankyou Andrew, you have done it again.
Yes, very satisfying when it works properly.
Love it Andrew. I learn loads from you.
Thank you so much.
I do struggle a bit with programming my Taranis.
But what i do sort out with your help, is well worth having the Taranis.
As you already know, I took your advise, and i have got this glider.
Thanks again.
Keith.
Thanks Keith. My knowledge of OpenTX barely scratches the surface but I wouldn't use any other system
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Worth it or not turn me on to your. You said you were quite the
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Thanks for walking (talking) us through this. Great way to learn how to do something. Brilliant as usual. Great thing to be doing when Melbourne's weather ruins any chance of flying anything other than a brick ;)
Wouldn't mind some changeable weather (back to calm)
I sail so if I can't fly, at least I can use the wind for good ;)
Thanks Andrew - followed it slavishly to setup my new Phoenix 2400
Great tutorial for glider set-up Andrew.I just have one suggestion for setting up the ailerons; try differential ailerons. This means letting the ailerons go up more than it goes down, this helps reducing the adverse yaw effect (needing less rudder) and makes for faster and more efficient rolling/turning action.Keep on putting out those videos, they are a great help to a lot of people.With king regards,MeijerKTM
Many thanks for the suggestion. I'll do a future video for Inputs screen, curves etc.
Wow, that was a phenomenal explanation. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks Justin, glad it made sense.
This is still the best video out there - Thank you Andrew!
Glad you think so!
I'm shopping a new TX right now because I want to build a balsa, full house, 6-servo wing F5J model (Höllein Inside F5J). My DX6 isn't up to the task. I've been considering a DX9 or iX12. A lot of people seem to like the Taranis with OpenTX though. Even a lot of DLG guys. I haven't really been sold on it so far, but this tutorial makes it look pretty easy. I picked up on the logic of how the programming works after watching you set a couple mixes!
I like how sort of direct and bare-bones it is. I don't have to go into a camber presets menu to set up flight modes then camber *system* menu to set my flap mixing, then my mixing menu to set rudder presets and compensation, etc. It just has the logic of what control does what and what it's actuated by under each channel. Very straightforward and very much like writing lines of code. The one downside I see is that you it appears that you can't label what each line of logic is for. It would be easier to keep straight if you could call a mix under a channel 'camber' or 'crow' etc.
Keep it up! Watching your TopSky build video ages ago kind of got me more into sailplanes. At the time I thought, "wow, that's a lot of crazy work for an airplane!" but you seemed like a regular guy doing it with good common sense and attention so it was still very encouraging. Now I'm flying DLG and building balsa models!
Cheers,
Brendan
Excellent Brendan, thanks for sharing your journey. I'm sold on Taranis and OpenTX, just with the hardware was as good as Spektrum
Very helpful for my Radiomaster TX16S / Volantex ASW28, thanks! Thanks also for sending some nice flying weather over from OZ to NZ lately :)
Any time!
thanks for that. some handy tips there I didn't know about like the x
Curves are cool
Thanks a lot for post this video. Helped me a lot.
Thank you, very helpful and very good explained.
Cool, I didn’t know that rx had a built in vario- I’ll have to check that out and try your programming! Love the slider setup!
Half the size of an X8R + Vario. I forgot to say the elevator needs 10% offset or retrimming back to level after adding the elevator/flap mix
very useful video. powerful open tx, thanks for sharing
I'm glad you've done this setup.... Just finished my ASW28 and was hoping to maiden it today but was to windy and I need the flaps and crow for our small field as the approach from the east is a high and steep decent kind of approach over factories and bushes with an open area of runway of about 150m long... And then to do my Pheonix 2000 with the same setup....
Excellent, those are exactly the situations that benefit from this setup
Yes because I was always forcing my Radian to land when trying to land while it was flying in ground effect area...
Haha! now I know how to set Expo!~ thank you very much! as for the crow braking and all the other features, ..I would forget what switch did what :-D great vid thanks for sharing
Ha yes it is hidden
Mucho thanks for this super helpful video. It's been a few years since i've touched my equipment and this helped me get back into the groove and get several of my fleet ready for a nice week of flying in Hell's Canyon! Fair Skies - PSF
You're very welcome! Happy gliding
Great full house description Andrew. I have to admit a liking of aerobatics in my Evo 2600, but even with the full wing aileron mix using flaps I can still set a decent crow and slow the model down for an accurate landing. Works great when sloping to be able to throw in a few tricks.
Hey Jo. Trying to keep this video as simple as possible, this is the third attempt and I still forgot to add ele offset for the flap mix.
Snap flaps?
Crazy Kiwi aerobatic ideas! Actually I usually have snap flaps for inverted
Thanks Andrew. Very neat, well arrange programming. Detailed explanation of the control surface as well. Good job.👍
mr newton, it would be great if you made a video of how to set exactly the same things on INAV using logical conditions. it would be a huge gift for me and I think for many many others. I always follow her, congratulations on her work
I haven't used logical conditions yet. To be honest I don't think INAV belongs on a glider, but I'm sure Darren Lines would be the man to do it.
Hi Andrew,
Nice train sound effects. :-)
That was a real steam train! The tracks are about 2km away
Just what I was looking for. Thanks.
No problem!
very helpful in-depth explanation of your setup for soaring thx drew this is perfect will be watching this vid a couple of times haha
made a vid about how to make a depron wing with cardboard giving you a shoutout and linking to your vid hope to get your feedback on the vid :D
Many thanks, going to your channel right now
Thanks a lot; Very nice job. thks again for sharing
My pleasure!
Andrew, great tutorial. I am pumped to try this set up on my glider too. One question, in the video you mentioned that you set up your glider to have three flight modes: full ailerons, crow braking and camber, but in the set up I only saw you mixing for crow and camber. Did I miss the mixing for full ailerons? Also, do you find camber to be more effective than just dropping down the flaps a little? Thanks for sharing. Cheers.
This is the basic full house with doesn't include full span ailerons. There is a link in the description to a full "full house" model file but no video. Cant really tell the difference between full span camber or just flaps with these foamys.
Thank you!
Hi Andrew
Hope your well, I’ve just watched your video, great help to me for setting up my Malibu dlg glider. Flight modes wer a bit tricky to do😂🙈 Can I ask what you would recommend for good servos for a 1 Mtr dlg? Cheers all the best.
Thanks. Some slim digital 6g servos would be best.
Great explanation, only wish you could explain the same setup on the flysky i6 . I would love to set the Phoenix Evo the same way. Just beginning so struggling along a little.
Allan Moore is the man to ask about FlySKY i6 th-cam.com/channels/xp23yC005hanSysA4vodQA.html
Just removed Y harness replaced with two leads to Aileron servos on the RAD Pro (AR600 RMTX16S) so will be setting up same as yours thanks Andrew.
Excellent, pro programming!
@@AndrewNewton Can you recomend me a 8 chan rx a cheap one lol
Thanks Andrew. Just got a 4.5m dg808. Looking to see what all the special mixes are im going to want for takoff, flight, landing. thinking i should make up a little dummy plane with cheap servos as a test bed.
I have used the dummy model myself. Great idea. Hope your wife was as pleased with her gift!
Thanks Andrew. Super helpful. I am setting up an ASW-28 and the ailerons are setup with a Y connector to a single channel. The crow sub modifier (adding flaps) in the Mixer page underneath Ailerons makes my ailerons twist in opposite directions when I throw my flaps. There has to be a simple fix. Any thoughts? (Taranis X9D and Open TX). I see that you used separate channels for each aileron.
Only works with ailerons on separate channels
hi Andrew what have u covered this wing with ,great watching your tips keep it up bud ,all the best from denbigh north wales uk (iawnski)
Thanks David. Just clear packing tape on the leading edge and front 1/3
thank you sir!
Great explanation. Thank you. I was wondering if you have the Open TX Companion file that I could get from you? Thanks again for your work, time and effort. Jay.
I just made up a more complete full house model for a Phoenix 2000 today Jay. Here it is drive.google.com/open?id=1QASpvvFY4mXdxKkhcV9NFY3wM9fXfIWo Here's a blog page explaining it in more detail newtonairlines.blogspot.com/2020/01/full-house-glider-opentx.html
Andrew - I have not yet went thru all of ur vids, but have you recorded one when you teach how to thermal glide? You have shown slope snoring but not thermals I believe - would you consider doing that including some thory?
Very informative. Today I've learnt something. lol
Excellent
Andrew Newton Joshua Bardwell eat your heart out! lol.😆
Ha, I wondered if you were referencing him
Yes, I'm afraid to say, I fly the flying Knives as well, for my sins. Sort of packed em in for a while as I was spending more time & money fixing them, than flying.
Hi Andrew. Thanks for the video. I was wondering if you could tell me why you use a separate channel for each of the flaps. It strikes me that they’ll always both be doing the same thing unless full wing ailerons are needed.
Cheers
NOSS
Full span ailerons and allows you to trim each flap in the radio. But I actually use a Y-Lead myself.
Andrew, I really love your content ( including the diving clips) and have watched ALL of them for years.. I can't get the Ail to CROW movement correct (with flaps going down the Rt Ail for example always deflects down with it at > 50% (not UP a bit as it should instead) Instead they typically both travel down together.. Yet with NO FLAPS applied, the ailerons both deflect properly. I think its possibly because to get proper Ail deflection I had to Invert both Rt and Left Ail in the OUTPUTS stage initially .. but now that I did that . regardless POS of NEGATIVE value set around 70 under the Curves Function and regardless of if I set the Curve Function to "V < 0" or "X > 0" and even with the Subtrim tweaked from +100 thru -100 or more.. i cant get the Ailerons to deflect in the correct direction UP. At the 50% FLAPS point at time 7:45 is where it' fails. While the the Flaps are travelling down properly, at the 50% point the Ail starts to go Down then not UP.. I'm using the S1 Pot since I have a Q-7XS with no LS Slider. I'm doing this setup on a RC-Motion Shrike.. but will try again on my Phoenix V2 2400 tomorrow..any tips on how to resolve this issue I'm having at Frame 7 minutes and 45seconds into the video would be most appreciated.. Your tips and tricks have always worked VERY well till now.. Thanks in advance..
Hi Jim. Probably need to back up and start again. Get the ailerons working and the flaps working. The ailerons can't be on a Y lead. Just add the 70 S1 X>0 line to each aileron then change 70 to -70 if needed. That should be all you need to do.
@@AndrewNewton Thank you ..I will try again from scratch.. and let you know how it goes. the Shrike comes with a Y on FLAP servos but I removed the Y cable. To get the proper Al direction I had to invert RAil and L Ail .. and independently BEFORE adding the flap mix they are deflecting normally. I've already tried either + or - 70 but will repeat.. More later.. Thanks Again!
YEAH! Lets celebrate !it's working really well now.. this is the 1st plane I ever got a CROW mix working on..! I did start from scratch and did everything the same as earlier, and it was behaving the same way ( with the Rt Ail going down not up) till I deleted the LS ( in my case S0) mix I had copied and then went back and copied the other LS line in this case correct Chan 6's S0 line from the OTHER / Correct Flap Channel, and then finally had to invert Lft Ail CHAN 2 to -70 instead of Plus 70 .. Now it works and the Ele Compensation works at -18 for me too! Thanks so much !
are these foam wings? what did you put on them?, looks like a lacquer/foil.. is this for protection or just for looks? I spray-painted my foamie orange for visibility but it's steadily peeling off, any recommendations? thx!, oh and great explanation!
Thanks Dennis. Foam wings partially covered with packing tape for protection.
The evolution's flaps are set up like the Bix3's, right? They don't send you a reversed servo, do they? All of the wing servo pockets are facing the same direction, except for 1 of the aileron pockets?
Correct, could get away with y leads for ailerons and flaps
Good tutorial, but I can't believe you aren't using companion TX on PC! It makes setup sooo much easier. (Plus, you could then share the eepe file with us.)
Actually I do use Companion but I think it's better to do demos on the Radio. Happy to share the file. My email is in the Channel "About" info
Thenks
Trying to squeeze a full house glider into 6 channels, it seems like a y-harness on the flaps would work. I think they always move together in all modes, other than full ailerons which I'm not interested in. Have I jumped the track? Great videos. Wish I had the beautiful coastal hills to soar that you do. Cheers!
Many thanks. Flaps on one channel is fine. That's the way I usually do it. Dont need full span ailerons unless you need to show off.
Hi Andrew, your videos are GREAT!
Please tell us why you apply film to your wings, it it for stiffness?
Thanks Daniel. The film is just 50mm heavy duty packing tape on the leading edge and for the first 1/3, to protect against damage. It also adds some stiffness.
Thank you Andrew for answering back that’s awesome, I will use this from here out, I also received a PhoenixS 2000 that was purchased in 2014 and a friend gave it to me because he broke the motor shaft after the third flight and it was hanging in his garage with probably 50 other plans and he said if I wanted it to please take it because he wants the room so basically it’s brand new I upgraded the motor to 1150 KV and motor size was 1050 from Volantex.
In addition I really like your paint scheme especially for the bottom of the wing where one wing panel is solid black the others are striped it’s so easy to see, I’m a big fan of yours even though I’m across the pond quite a distance lol
I love to build things I flew RC planes off the cliffs here at the beach in Southern California in the United States about 38 years ago and I just got into it again about eight months ago and I’m loving it
Your videos are very informative and you taking time to come back to the people who watch your videos it makes an awesome little community I greatly appreciate everything you do!
Daniel
How is the vario incorporated in the settings. Nice overview. Thanks.
I have done lots of vario setup videos. Search for vario on my channel
2:49 Where could I find reinforced tape like this?
HobbyKing or most hardware stores
Hi Sir Andrew
I houpe you are ok.
Using the vario on the glider can you explain the relative altitud setting?
Happy New Year!
Vítor Lalanda
Vario video should explain it all th-cam.com/video/oe_LIWRJ37w/w-d-xo.html
Hi, It appears you have film on the leading edges and some controls surfaces, what's the background to this and do you have a video about it? Thanks.
Correct. It's 60 micron clear packing tape. For protection on the leading edge, and to strengthen the control surfaces and foam hinges.
Thanks for the info Andrew, I've been flying for a couple of months, started with a Bixler and have ordered a Phoenix Evo. Based on my Bixler experience the Evo needs to be as sturdy as possible. ;)
Excellent David, my 2 favourite planes. Hope you understand that the Evolution is a thermal glider, and not designed for flying around on power all the time. The motor just gets you up there to start gliding.
Copy that Andrew, thermalling should work for me, it's when I hang around close to the ground that things go wrong.
thanks you very much andrew for your tutorial very well explained,.you decide me to buy this beautiful asw28.is it possible to obtain Taranis OpenTX eepe file for the ASW 28.thanks again
Thanks Eric. Here's a folder including the ASW eep drive.google.com/open?id=0B_rTwius07LLUHJkNFBNYmlMSjA
@@AndrewNewton thanks you very much ,andrew, you are a great guy (sorry for my english ,i,m french :-)
i think other guy will be happy to obtain eeepe file.not very easy to mix , i'm 65 year old :-)
Andrew I'm a big fan of using Wireless Training with my friends and grandsons.. If I set that up ( normally I do it thru the INPUTs page under SH toggle and some switching logic..) and use the TR Inputs at 100% can the student fly the plane normally without flaps or crow at 100% via the Training Mode : MASTER:SBUS option without any crow or Elev compensation.. and if that works can I replicate this Full House setup in the Student Radio and expect it will behave the same with Crow and flaps in the same way the Master is now? I have identical Q-7XS RAdios I'm going to try this.
You will have to educate me when you try it Jim. I have never tried buddy box setup other than the most basic 100% TR signals.
Andrew Newton ... well sure.. I did try it and simply added the TR1 to TR4 channels into the mixer stage adding each above the main control CH Enabled by the L03 trainer On Switch and while selecting one of 3 rates it worked fine on the 4 basic input control channels. .. but to add the full house control with flap and Ele compensation it’s clear to me now that I’ll also need to replicate the entire master model Mixer stage setup and copy all 7 over into the student radio so when he has control, it can provide the student the identical crow functionality. My grandson (he’s 10 ) is constantly pleading with me to let him land it .. so I’ll need to add this full mix into the student radio too. I’ll do it under a special “StuFullHouse” model , so I can switch back to the normal 4ch 100% Rate when needed. Thank you Andrew for this video on all the basics needed for a 7servo Ch glider with crow . I plan to use it as a template for several others like my Volantex 2400 Phoenix v2 and ASW-28 next
Andrey what film thickness did you laminate the plane?
Heavy duty clear packing tape, 60 micron I think
Hi Andrew, just a quick word. I think the Phoenix looks like its been laminated, if that's correct is there any structural benefits from doing this please
Just packing tape near the leading edge to stop dings. Laminating does stiffen the wings, but not usually necessary
Please will this work if Flaps are on a y connector as have only 6chn rx ? thanks Ail are separate chn
Yes. You would have full span aileron option
@@AndrewNewton really I thought I would need 7 chnl and indipendant flap leads for that and that isn't what I want all I need is crow and camber and just flaps half and full
Andrew can you help point me in right direction please? I am looking to buy a Introduction 6servo wing glider. I am trying to spec ESC and am struggling to understand how to balance right ESC for both motor and number of servos. I can get a higher amperage ESC Sbec servo eg sunrise 45A but am still unsure if this will a) effect motor performance and b) be enough amperage for 8 total servos (spec is 6A bec max). Can you advise or help please? Thanks Pete. PS I am using Taranis 2019+ and expect to use sbus connections. Thanks in advance.
Separate BEC would be recommended for that many servos, but I have never done it myself.
@@AndrewNewton Thanks Andrew it is looking like a separate battery supply from motor to be safe. Thanks
Have you had much experience programming a RadioLink AT10ii?
No, never tried one.
Good
Putting in minus 100 or whatever for rates may cause problems with reversed trim as i found out in the air! better to reverse servos in output.
Yes probably right Robert
Now I know how Space X lands the used rockets!
Ha, maybe
Steam train puffing its way to Warrnambool!
Great sound