Yeah it was a great moment, shame they spoiled it by just giving him a tardis anyway. I feel like this ending would've been a lot more powerful if they hadn't done that, and 14 was actually forced to settle down and rehabilitate. What's stopping him from just flying off and doing exactly the same shit as before now?
@@mrflibble1259I suppose one could argue that since the TARDIS, canonically, always takes the Doctor to ‘where he needs to go’, if 14 does travel hereafter, he will not encounter danger.
I usually think rescores are just a bit of fun, bit this genuinely would have been absolutely perfect for the actual episode. Like even the small details, the short minor chord when they mention River, the tonal shift when Donna starts talking at 1:45 and the Doctor's theme when Donna gets more serious at 2:40 and the climax after "Come home". It's perfect fit for every last detail and it's a shame it's not in the real episode.
I will say, it's astonishing how well it matches up. My anchor point was I wanted the bridge of the Doctor's theme playing when Donna tells him he's come home, but there's no edits beforehand it just works!
@@DarylDevinei did a similar kind of edit for Game of Thrones back in the day and the wonder woman theme. Worked surprisngly really fucking well until a certain point but ended up having to make a couple edits to it
@@DarylDevine Yeah! Maybe they used this track as a temporary soundtrack in the editing phase. But then again it's unlikely as this version of Doctor Forever was never released.
I'm a composer, and I'm usually vehemently against rescore clips like this one as they don't match the nuances that the composers have to work with in the actual scene. But holy hell this works FAR too well, it's uncanny, and hearing an OG Murray score takes me back 😊
I can see the argument against rescores as it feels disrespectful to the composer's actual music for the episode, but that might not always be the case if the actual music used was still good and carries its own weight. Thinking optimistically, rescores show how well and timeless a composer's previous works are and I think that is one of the things that makes them memorable, along with the new pieces of music they make. Some examples of this are Steve Jablonsky's score for the live action Transformers movies when I saw the ending of Bumblebee rescored, or Hans Zimmer's score from The Dark Knight trilogy being used to rescore Batman: The Dark Knight Returns Part 2.
I never realised before, but the music is what made doctor who feel like doctor who back during this era. Hearing it again now and it fits so well and is just doctor who.
I think Seguns music was honestly beautiful and such a breath of fresh air as it was something new. It's a real shame that people don't embrace Doctor Who music outside of Murray because there's some great stuff there.
@@sadie1072 honestly I thought this when I first watched the era. But when watching it a second time I really noticed how well he used leitmotifs. Murray makes event scores that are made to be bought separately and listened to. Segun is more atmospheric. His scores aren't themes like Murray. They're essentially used specifically for that scene and that scene alone. Far more like classic Who. In fact I think a huge reason why people hate this era is due to how much it deviated from the established feel of NuWho. It was by far the closest NuWho has gotten to classic who I'd say
This is such a lovely scene, the doctor being surrounded by those he loves most (Donna, the TARDIS and himself) and being told to take care of himself really brings a tear to my eye, in a way. Hearing it with this music amplified it so much
Man there’s so many re-scores out there that just don’t work at all but this is insanely good. The way the music swells when they mention Sarah-Jane, the Doctors theme kicking in when Donna talks about his old face coming back, it’s excellent!
ngl I was expecting this certain piece of music to crop back up since it was used a lot in their actual season together it fits perfectly in this scene
I honestly don’t mind how they introduced 15th tardis doctor who bends rules a lot and it’s shown the same tardis can exist in the same place 50th anniversary for example 15th will make a great doctor also this score is FANTASTIC
That is mental!!! Before this I swear I felt very little emotion in this scene, but with the rescore it elevates it so much. I don’t even remember what was playing in it, why wasn’t it this?? Goosebumps man.
Honestly sort of surprised "Noble Farwell" (one of the few unreleased tracks from the RTD-1 Era of DW), didn't come back in the specials. One of my fav renditions of The Doctor's theme (And before people argue, it is the theme of the Doctor as an overarching character, at least when Murray Gold is composing, every doctor has their unique theme (9 and 10 having the theme and a variation act as their own themes too). But even when 11 came in with I Am The Doctor, "The Doctor's Theme" still had its points where it came in during tracks, especially later on in Moffat's run)
I still do think the TARDIS divide was a bit too much. I'm alright with the bigeneration, but I think having the Fourteenth Doctor being able to just f off whenever he feels like it cheapens the intention.
Ncuti really has already proven himself The Doctor, hasn't he? He's acting alongside David Tennant and still holding his own, and arguably dominating every scene he's in.
His affection towards 14 is everything. I live for that kind of thing. The little pet names, "love", "honey". The hug was perfect. "I've got you. It's alright." The hand on his neck and the kiss on his head was so perfectly, beautifully intimate and caring.
This is like the division of the subconscious, the parts of the mind we hide beneath the surface, talking to each other. One voice saying "Go" the other saying "Stop".
Wow I liked the original but they totally should have used this, well done! I especially l9ve the part where Donna is talking about why he came back to this version and his theme starts.
I honestly think this is what made the specials seem separate, the new music but I just think it would’ve made so much sense to score the specials like this because this is just incredible. It’s mad how much the music can change it
As much as I love the music from this special, I missed 10’s music so much, and to have it put to this scene in such a clever and well put way, it makes me cry.
Makes this work even better is that it mirrors the first time Donna and the Doctor met. Talking about losing Rose and The Doctor needing someone. Perfectly full circle
Ugh this is perfection! Ive been dying to do this. Thank you so much for putting it together. This scene needed this music! I was desperate for them to use it in the 60th. It donna and 10s theme!
As much as I liked what they used in The Giggle, the Series 3-4 music works ten times better for this poignant moment. A touch of nostalgia with The Doctor's Theme, which I associate with *all* incarnations, it perfectly makes way for the transitioning between the Fourteenth (David Tennant) and Fifteenth (Ncuti Gatwa) Doctors. ❤️💔
The one thing i never could understand about this scene was that they were lecturing the 14th doctor about needing to rest because they never stopped going and could never greive or relax, but the 15th doctor is the same person and experienced all of the same stuff and no one questions him.
I think its because the 15th doctor seperated that emotional side of himself. He still remembers it all and cares about his past life, but is able to move on. Unlike the 14th who kept all the grief and sorrow
This turned out great! I especially loved the part when he duplicated the TARDIS and the song swelled again to match. Great edit to an already fantastic scene! ❤❤
Felt to me like the original music, especially towards the end, shifted towards 15's viewpoint and mood, whereas this version stayed with 14's perspective
This exchange between Donna and 14 makes me wonder if 14 becomes the curator. It would allow 14 to retire and rest, while 15 continues to travel. Of course it could just mean the Doctors do their own things, but then it leaves me wondering, who dies on Trenzalore?
I haven't seen the special yet, this music felt perfect and original. I assume I'm going to be real disappointed when I finally watch the special and hear whatever music is actually playing.
I think they missed an opportunity here - we need that music to remember who the 10th doctor was. How cool would it be it they also gave him his original Tardis interior … the directors should’ve appealed to our nostalgia here I think
I love this SO much. I need to rewatch this and the original next to each other now. I bought the specials on Blu-Ray and I was already planning on making my own edits to my own copy, and I might need to add this to it now!
I just realized all the doctor ever wanted was to stop and stay at one place. When 11 stayed on trenzalore or when the 12th doctor began to regenerate said he was staying wherever the tardis took him
Yes, this is actually a major theme with the Doctor. The Doctor always complains that he/she can't stay in one place, but the 3rd Doctor truly develops a family. Even after the Time Lords restores his memory of time travel the 3rd Doctor never leaves Unit and Sarah. Only when the 3rd Doctor regenerates does he finally decide to roam the universe at full tilt again. Fast forward to Jodie and the 13th, kudos to Russel T's writing for giving everything that happen to her Doc meaning. Number one she calls her companions her fam. Her Doctor openly acknowledging the need for a family, which is why Yaz while, not River or Rose intrigues her Doc. Two, all the stories after the Flux and Timeless Child mess, you see the 13th in the most absurd situations always in constant motion, too busy to acknowledge anything. Seeing Ace, Tegan, having to leave Yaz, I would want to see something familiar too. Therefore, we have the 14th and guess what when you burnt out ain't nothing new (No new face) coming from you. It is a fully healed 14th that will spawn the 15th.
I have to agree with Donna and the 15th Doctor on this one.Yeah, Donna's diagnosis is 100% straight up.True for a man who has 2. It's kind of ridiculous that you couldn't even figure that one out❤😂❤
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"do you mean,he flies off?"
Gives me real "everything I am dies some new man goes sauntering away" vibes
His greatest fear, aye
Yeah it was a great moment, shame they spoiled it by just giving him a tardis anyway. I feel like this ending would've been a lot more powerful if they hadn't done that, and 14 was actually forced to settle down and rehabilitate. What's stopping him from just flying off and doing exactly the same shit as before now?
@@mrflibble1259 yeah,that undercut it quite a bit
@@mrflibble1259I suppose one could argue that since the TARDIS, canonically, always takes the Doctor to ‘where he needs to go’, if 14 does travel hereafter, he will not encounter danger.
@@mrflibble1259Donna will stop him - more often than not.
I usually think rescores are just a bit of fun, bit this genuinely would have been absolutely perfect for the actual episode. Like even the small details, the short minor chord when they mention River, the tonal shift when Donna starts talking at 1:45 and the Doctor's theme when Donna gets more serious at 2:40 and the climax after "Come home". It's perfect fit for every last detail and it's a shame it's not in the real episode.
I will say, it's astonishing how well it matches up. My anchor point was I wanted the bridge of the Doctor's theme playing when Donna tells him he's come home, but there's no edits beforehand it just works!
@@DarylDevinei did a similar kind of edit for Game of Thrones back in the day and the wonder woman theme. Worked surprisngly really fucking well until a certain point but ended up having to make a couple edits to it
@@DarylDevine Yeah! Maybe they used this track as a temporary soundtrack in the editing phase. But then again it's unlikely as this version of Doctor Forever was never released.
@@pipoproductions never released to the public, but still in their archives 👀 or maybe they lifted it from youtube
@@DarylDevinemaybe they originally intended this to be the score for this scene
this feels wayyyy better. I forgot this wasnt the original scene 😂
Wait, what changed?
@@lady_leaf_in_the_wind the music! Its a different background score
Same 😅
@@EdenA1968 different music. Try to compare.
BUT THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN SM BETTERRRRRRRR
I'm a composer, and I'm usually vehemently against rescore clips like this one as they don't match the nuances that the composers have to work with in the actual scene. But holy hell this works FAR too well, it's uncanny, and hearing an OG Murray score takes me back 😊
I can see the argument against rescores as it feels disrespectful to the composer's actual music for the episode, but that might not always be the case if the actual music used was still good and carries its own weight.
Thinking optimistically, rescores show how well and timeless a composer's previous works are and I think that is one of the things that makes them memorable, along with the new pieces of music they make.
Some examples of this are Steve Jablonsky's score for the live action Transformers movies when I saw the ending of Bumblebee rescored, or Hans Zimmer's score from The Dark Knight trilogy being used to rescore Batman: The Dark Knight Returns Part 2.
And then you hear 15’s theme come in, assuming this scene was allowed to continue, and you can FEEL the Adventure starting again.
I never realised before, but the music is what made doctor who feel like doctor who back during this era. Hearing it again now and it fits so well and is just doctor who.
I think Seguns music was honestly beautiful and such a breath of fresh air as it was something new. It's a real shame that people don't embrace Doctor Who music outside of Murray because there's some great stuff there.
@@bojurieI have to disagree. I think Segun only wrote like 5 truly good and memorable tracks for the show and rest is utterly forgettable and bland
@@sadie1072 honestly I thought this when I first watched the era. But when watching it a second time I really noticed how well he used leitmotifs. Murray makes event scores that are made to be bought separately and listened to. Segun is more atmospheric. His scores aren't themes like Murray. They're essentially used specifically for that scene and that scene alone.
Far more like classic Who. In fact I think a huge reason why people hate this era is due to how much it deviated from the established feel of NuWho. It was by far the closest NuWho has gotten to classic who I'd say
This hit me so much harder with this score, oh my lord
Murray Gold’s music really is something special
Nothing will ever beat this instrumental.
3:38 I love “life amongst the stars” (same song playing as when doctor left rose) was playing here,love it.
This is such a lovely scene, the doctor being surrounded by those he loves most (Donna, the TARDIS and himself) and being told to take care of himself really brings a tear to my eye, in a way.
Hearing it with this music amplified it so much
Man there’s so many re-scores out there that just don’t work at all but this is insanely good. The way the music swells when they mention Sarah-Jane, the Doctors theme kicking in when Donna talks about his old face coming back, it’s excellent!
LIKE THE MUSIC SWELLED AS THE TARDIS SPLIT
ITS
JUST
AAHHAHAAHHA NOOOOOO
If you listen close to when 14 says "wheelchair accessible. He says it with his real accent
woulda been cooler if david did 14th with his normal accent tbh
It's actually unreal how much better this is and how well it fits. The music hits all the right beats.
4:06 the timing of the score here is perfection!
Too kind, Monsieur
I couldn’t stop crying.
That honestly is inspired work I love it
That bit fits so well 2:54 😭
4:30 I just now realized Tennant's accent totally broke here
It broke a few times during the specials
It breaks a few times in his original run too! My favourite is when he's in the rain talking to Wilf in Journeys End. He's completely Scottish
ngl I was expecting this certain piece of music to crop back up since it was used a lot in their actual season together it fits perfectly in this scene
This just shows how much of a difference the music makes.
"You are not alone" - the Face of Boe.
Surprised how many of the musical cues fit so well!
This is the rare rescore that is actually great. Perfect job.
I honestly don’t mind how they introduced 15th tardis doctor who bends rules a lot and it’s shown the same tardis can exist in the same place 50th anniversary for example 15th will make a great doctor also this score is FANTASTIC
This fits so well and would have been a brilliant call back to the 10th Doctor's story.
This is literally... Perfect?! Yeah! Well done!
That is mental!!! Before this I swear I felt very little emotion in this scene, but with the rescore it elevates it so much. I don’t even remember what was playing in it, why wasn’t it this?? Goosebumps man.
Honestly sort of surprised "Noble Farwell" (one of the few unreleased tracks from the RTD-1 Era of DW), didn't come back in the specials. One of my fav renditions of The Doctor's theme (And before people argue, it is the theme of the Doctor as an overarching character, at least when Murray Gold is composing, every doctor has their unique theme (9 and 10 having the theme and a variation act as their own themes too). But even when 11 came in with I Am The Doctor, "The Doctor's Theme" still had its points where it came in during tracks, especially later on in Moffat's run)
Music does matter and this proves it.
hands down one of the greatest edit for one of the 60th anniversary episodes
Imagine Ncuti hadn't thought of the Tardis split and then instead traveled with a Vortex Manipulator
The doctor without the TARDIS?!
People would be in outrage
I still do think the TARDIS divide was a bit too much. I'm alright with the bigeneration, but I think having the Fourteenth Doctor being able to just f off whenever he feels like it cheapens the intention.
"You get a prize, honey!" How is he already having unqique characteritics in his first appearence?
Ncuti really has already proven himself The Doctor, hasn't he? He's acting alongside David Tennant and still holding his own, and arguably dominating every scene he's in.
@@ZekromAndYugiAndDrago123 Oh yes. I can't believe it. He's already won me over
His affection towards 14 is everything. I live for that kind of thing. The little pet names, "love", "honey". The hug was perfect. "I've got you. It's alright." The hand on his neck and the kiss on his head was so perfectly, beautifully intimate and caring.
Mad what music does this scene is so much better now
Man, this is SOOOOO much better than the original, feels so much more poignant, feels more like the closing of a chapter
The original seen is amazing and you've made it even better
You mean Fantastic? ❤
@@nekrost2993 Yes
2:43 this hits *fantastic*
IM
SAYYIINNNNNNN
This is excellent, thank you! Always my favourite piece of music but in the context it's so amazing.
If this had been the music I would be in tears
Yeah it for sure does have way more emotional weight to it! It's perhaps a little too quiet tho
I was worried it was too loud 😭
I thought the volume was perfect tbh
This literally works so well! Love it! 😊😊
PERFECTION, absolute PERFECTION
😭😭All I can say is this is Sooo WONDERFUL!😭THANK YOU!!!😭😭
This is like the division of the subconscious, the parts of the mind we hide beneath the surface, talking to each other. One voice saying "Go" the other saying "Stop".
I dunno about you but I was crying, sweating, screaming and swearing GO WITH HER, BOY
Wow I liked the original but they totally should have used this, well done! I especially l9ve the part where Donna is talking about why he came back to this version and his theme starts.
I honestly think this is what made the specials seem separate, the new music but I just think it would’ve made so much sense to score the specials like this because this is just incredible. It’s mad how much the music can change it
Criminal we never got Rachel Talalay's take on shooting this TARDIS
I loved it when he got his own tardis, and got to stay with Donna and her family a happy ending
This is exquisite! Really works beautifully. And in addition I just realised he sounds Scottish on "wheelchair accessible". Audio heaven all round.
This is life changing. Im in tears 😭
I’d sell my soul to find someone to reedit full versions of more recent episodes using the old score😓
As much as I love the music from this special, I missed 10’s music so much, and to have it put to this scene in such a clever and well put way, it makes me cry.
Makes this work even better is that it mirrors the first time Donna and the Doctor met. Talking about losing Rose and The Doctor needing someone. Perfectly full circle
It’s a shame they never had a proper scene like this where it uses music from series 4 which fits just so much better
This scene is just waaaaay better with this score
Just perfection. I was grinning ear to ear when i re-registered what i was wstching
Ugh this is perfection! Ive been dying to do this. Thank you so much for putting it together. This scene needed this music! I was desperate for them to use it in the 60th. It donna and 10s theme!
Not a single tear or even a pause for our River Song.
I love that theme😭
THIS IS INCREDIBLE 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Oh WOW! Now I’m so annoyed they never did this! Genius rescore!!
As much as I liked what they used in The Giggle, the Series 3-4 music works ten times better for this poignant moment. A touch of nostalgia with The Doctor's Theme, which I associate with *all* incarnations, it perfectly makes way for the transitioning between the Fourteenth (David Tennant) and Fifteenth (Ncuti Gatwa) Doctors. ❤️💔
The one thing i never could understand about this scene was that they were lecturing the 14th doctor about needing to rest because they never stopped going and could never greive or relax, but the 15th doctor is the same person and experienced all of the same stuff and no one questions him.
I think its because the 15th doctor seperated that emotional side of himself. He still remembers it all and cares about his past life, but is able to move on. Unlike the 14th who kept all the grief and sorrow
Doctor don't you know how this works already?Space dimension in space routine
Thank you so much for this master piece.
This turned out great! I especially loved the part when he duplicated the TARDIS and the song swelled again to match. Great edit to an already fantastic scene! ❤❤
The editing in this is so good!!
Felt to me like the original music, especially towards the end, shifted towards 15's viewpoint and mood, whereas this version stayed with 14's perspective
ya know, this episode might be growing on me
I love how this was done despite how RTD always gets inside my head like he's my personal Valeyard (edit) ;)
I FR THOUGHT I WAS JUST WATCHING AN UNRELEASED VERSION
The editor literally had to have been listening to the 10th Doctor's theme on loop omg
This part of the OST must have been used as temp music for the edit or something because this fits sooo perfectly
Holy crap... Definitely agree with folks here that this makes this scene all the better.
The theme is blessing
This exchange between Donna and 14 makes me wonder if 14 becomes the curator. It would allow 14 to retire and rest, while 15 continues to travel. Of course it could just mean the Doctors do their own things, but then it leaves me wondering, who dies on Trenzalore?
Of course, based on Davies' Doctorverse theory, it is entirely possible that the Curator is in fact the fourth Doctor.
Shame they didn't actually use this piece, this is beautifully done
Wow, this actually works really well.
I think ❤ it's a brilliantly done edit and script Not overly cleashade not overly thort..it's a thrilling show
THANKYOU SO SO VERY MUCH😂❤
To live in time, not out of it
Felt like the doctor forever type song was really missing from the specials was really sad we never got much of it tiniest little bits
I haven't seen the special yet, this music felt perfect and original. I assume I'm going to be real disappointed when I finally watch the special and hear whatever music is actually playing.
Twice the doctors flying around equal an even greater chance of running into Me, Clara, and/or Jenny.
I think they missed an opportunity here - we need that music to remember who the 10th doctor was. How cool would it be it they also gave him his original Tardis interior … the directors should’ve appealed to our nostalgia here I think
WAIT
NO
STOP
THIS HAS TO BE REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
After Ncuti says "go on" we gotta have a scene with "Amy in the TARDIS" as 14 goes inside
Was just thinking that. It would've been perfect.
I love this SO much. I need to rewatch this and the original next to each other now. I bought the specials on Blu-Ray and I was already planning on making my own edits to my own copy, and I might need to add this to it now!
I just realized all the doctor ever wanted was to stop and stay at one place. When 11 stayed on trenzalore or when the 12th doctor began to regenerate said he was staying wherever the tardis took him
Yes, this is actually a major theme with the Doctor. The Doctor always complains that he/she can't stay in one place, but the 3rd Doctor truly develops a family. Even after the Time Lords restores his memory of time travel the 3rd Doctor never leaves Unit and Sarah. Only when the 3rd Doctor regenerates does he finally decide to roam the universe at full tilt again. Fast forward to Jodie and the 13th, kudos to Russel T's writing for giving everything that happen to her Doc meaning. Number one she calls her companions her fam. Her Doctor openly acknowledging the need for a family, which is why Yaz while, not River or Rose intrigues her Doc. Two, all the stories after the Flux and Timeless Child mess, you see the 13th in the most absurd situations always in constant motion, too busy to acknowledge anything. Seeing Ace, Tegan, having to leave Yaz, I would want to see something familiar too. Therefore, we have the 14th and guess what when you burnt out ain't nothing new (No new face) coming from you. It is a fully healed 14th that will spawn the 15th.
The real/actual scene Is this one, for me...
Kinda missed hearing 15's thene at the end, but it's really nice
"I don't know how!" He clearly forgot about darillium.
This is beautiful
So awesome
Oh yeah. This makes it
Love this. The music is brilliant 🤩. Still think the wheelchair access is for Wilf x
I have to agree with Donna and the 15th Doctor on this one.Yeah, Donna's diagnosis is 100% straight up.True for a man who has 2.
It's kind of ridiculous that you couldn't even figure that one out❤😂❤
there is no way david tennant looked as cute as he does in that thumbnail
The way it was meant to be!
I haven’t watched this show in years and won’t but I do like the console room if they kept it.
God the sixtieth was rough lol
Guy walking around with no trousers because RTD wanted to look at him.
“ I am so sorry “