Thermal analysis is already done on this card. Stay tuned for the review publication. Regarding the rubber bumper: It's not on top of the chokes and it doesn't make contact, anyway. It's floating on the upper heatsink and failing to make contact to the lower VRM heatsink, and is clearly an unnecessary attempt at vibration damping. See rubber bumper photo here: www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/2971-zotac-1080ti-amp-extreme-tear-down You might also like our VRM analysis of the 1080 Ti Kingpin, which explains why such cards exist: th-cam.com/video/ler1PZ0L5nE/w-d-xo.html
Yea I don't think that rubber pad is for vibration my guess would be it is there for protection in case the card get squished the rubber pad will dampen the pressure on the little black heat sink and not damage the components under that heat sink.
Any rough ETA on the review? Ya mentioned before that you were looking at Vega first, but now that you have all the data it makes me think that the review might be published earlier than expected. Thanks!
Having more phases is most of the time to get better efficiency and a more capable VRM. So I wouldn't expect this to run very hot as you are spreading the load of the VRM over 16 phases, that as a result don't have to push that much power in each phase.
Isn't the rubber strip positioned above the coils instead of above the aluminum heatsink? If it is, my guess would be, that it is supposed to reduce coil whine. That would also explain, why it doesn't make contact.. it is not supposed to.
The main reason for the rubber pad I can see is to prevent scratching the black paint off the VRM heatsink during shipping. We all have heard those stories about what happens to packages during shipping and I know I would be worried if I saw small black pieces coming out of the antistatic bag the card comes in.
The amp! extreme edition cards are awesome. I would go out to say it was the best 980ti card, and 1080 card. The 1080ti though seems a little lacking as other card manufacturers actually get near the same clocks on their stock cards and the o.c.ing is actually matched/ exceeded by some other cards.
I find it interesting that they have a different RAM socket missing a mem chip vs. other 1080 Ti cards (which is usually the second one up on the right).
Rubber need to optimize airflow, i think. Airflow from central fan can freely exit VRM rad towards RGB headers. So airflow from right fan will intere more with airflow from central fan without this rubber, stopping it. I think... And this is may be just protection from scratches
Prior to running stress tests I did the following: -opened up the card and applied Thermal Grizzly in lieu of MFR thermal paste -mounted my card to the side of my case with a riser cable and mount Notables: -ambient temperature was 23ºC -ran FurMark at the following settings: 1920x1080 AA-8X MSAA -GPU runs a three monitor setup; all are 1080p/144Hz/1ms and monitor 1 was used -GPU clocks were stock with the boost clock at 1974 MHz and memory at 5599 MHz **edit** -two tests consisted of approximately 30 mins of stressing with ample cool-down time in between (44ºC) End results -min FPS: 67, max FPS: 71, avg FPS: 70 -GPU utilized 85% TDP, 69% fan speed, temperature 70ºC -no SLM was used; most prevalent noise was due to water pump, case fans, and coolant being flushed back into reservoir My take: Not the most 'sound' way to prove a point, but since my parts came in I decided to apply some decent thermal paste while I had the case open and the card out. The board sag was irking me, so I rectified that as well. I do believe in the process that by positioning the card in this manner I have: a) probably reduced the ambient heat in the case and b) increased the level of sound I would hear from the fans as it sits right up against the tempered glass panel. This being said, I honestly have yet to see my card fans push 100%. I don't dabble in overclocking GPUs, and with this beast you really shouldn't have to do that. With an MSRP of $729 (currently on sale), this price point not only trumps a majority of the non-reference cards in price, but all of them in performance as well. I'm quite happy with my purchase, and I really think all this talk of 'coil whine' is either a farce or a fluke. Go buy the card off of Newegg and return it after 20 days if it whines. After that, go buy your FTW3 or Strix. Neither one of these will compare, IMHO.
I don't know why you're so passionate about the robber strip, seems to me it's there either to avoid unwanted noises when picking up the card (I'm leaning toward that one) or/and to avoid heating up the GPU's heat sink. It's really not that big a deal.
Well on cars we add rubber in between two metal surfaces to either prevent rattling (noise) from movement or to avoid a heat transfer so I would assume it'd be both. That's my take
I feel quite honored that GN responded to a comment of mine. And I know that, but I've found that in many consumer applications, they put those there just in case something was to happen (Ie card flex / sloppy soldering in the factory) and I would assume that they think a ~ 0.003 dollar piece of plastic is better than taking the chances and having to RMA the card. As I would also assume that something falling on it could also cause the metal to flex. Additionally, do you know if the backplate is grounded because that could also be used as a static shield (a multimeter could be used to test for conductivity), because it is possible for a static shock to arc across the backplate and to one of the solder points.
The plastic coating on the backplate is to avoid shorting contacts on the back. I'm surprised and disappointed that Gamers Nexus weren't aware of this...
For cards that thick, manufacturers should never be afraid of throwing on a 3-slot PCIe I/O bracket. I really don't understand manufacturers on that regard.
Sechs0rBecks - Yes! I always wanted them to make a reversed gpu instead of them both facing the same way have your first gpu facing towards the cpu and the second facing the normal way. With my 2 1080 ti strix's I would deffenatly get better heat dissipation with my first card. right now there s a 10 degrees Celsius difference between the 2 where I can't push them as far unless I over clock the 2 separately, which is a pain. Also most people have the normal case where the fans are pointed down which is stupid because heat rises right into the gpu, instead of if they were reversed I'd almost be willing to guarantee better thermal results. Well i have an awesome case labs case the has a flat mother board layout so mines not as bad but that first gpu has like 3 to 5 mm of space before hitting the back of my second card, it's crazy and that's even on a x99 deluxe board that is supposed to be one of the best but for a half of a slot space for air it's just insanely close. Can't over clock at all because of it and that sux when u spend that much money on a 2 card setup.
Isn't this pretty much the same as the 1070 amp extreme card? Running mine at +750 on the memory and the gpu never drops below 2050mhz and runs so cool and quite you can't tell its plugged in apart from the performance and the yellow led telling you the power cables are plugged in. Best card I've ever owned.
not biased Zotac card look brought to you by EVGA... complains about plastic wrap and a rubber bumper... what's worse is im a donner, i expect more than this...
Those "POWER BOOST" are capacitors introduced to help reduce ripple noise and minimize power fluctuations. Basically to stabilize the card for smooth gameplay.
I think what you guys do is important. You call out mistakes when you see them and don't just cater to praising everything. Manufacterers should appreciate your insight rather than withhold products to avoid a potentially negative comment about their design.
In the last part where you got confused counting the doublers these arent the doublers these are the drivers the doubles are 8 little squares infront of the controller
Just a heads up if the fans or lights aren't working right, the gpu just needs supported. The card is so heavy when it sags the lights wont work right and fans will run constantly lol. Spent a few hours troubleshooting it, almost to big for its own good.
the black glossy plastic sheet on the back of the back plate, is to prevent the card from shorting on the back plate. however remote you or i may consider that happening to be. they've obviously decided it's a risk not worth taking. i see it all the time on laptops, usually acer units. though they usually stick the plastic sheet directly to the board. it's a bit odd to see it on a GPU, but i'm surprised you don't know what it is or didn't recognise it.
I do know what it is. We've reviewed a few dozen video cards in the past year, so of course we've seen it before. The point is that they should just use something that actually makes sense instead, like a thermal pad.
i doubt a thermal pad would have any tangible benefit in that spot. it just seemed like he was confused over what the sheet was over the back plate is all. and yeah, it's a pointless thing to put there really. the stand offs should be more then adequate to keep the card from shorting on the back plate, as you said. and even then, small plastic or rubber nipples would surely be a less insulating method of achieving that gap then those silly plastic sheets.
Its strange how no1 didnt mention the thickness of the thermal pads that goes on this GPU . Its clearly two thickness Green ( I guess 2mm ) and Blue ( 1mm or 1,5mm ) ?
would love to see you guys try a diy hybrid with zotac gtx 1080 mini with either kraken g10 or g12 with corsair h55 aio in push/pull config keep up the good work you guys are awesome
I really like the tear downs you guys make. But you might find a way to coordinate with your cameraman that we don't have to watch unfocused footage of something moving around way too quickly. With that said, it's my only criticism.
I'm a bit upset because you're assuming that they're just saving the cooling for the core and avoiding the vrm, but I think they're cooling the Vrms just fine, and feel like the added heat to the core just isn't worth it.
Gamers Nexus and? Is the vrm cooled enough to last 10+ years? If so, I would assume the rubber is in fact better, to keep the core even 1-2 degrees cooler.
Rick Rands After spending weeks overclocking this card with the XOC bios I'm pretty sure that the VRM temps are likely holding it back. Might be actually better replacing that rubber with a thermal pad.
Shan Solo I can't imagine why, as these VRMs are rated above 90C anyway. I'm also concerned by your comment because unless the card is throttling itself based on vrm temps they can't possibly be holding the card back without failing, effectively killing the card completely. The concern with high temps is longevity, not clock speed/performance.
Rick Rands From my testing the card drops stability at higher voltages even at the same GPU temps and same or lower clocks. Highly unlikely it's the mem chips overheating so it's the most probable culprit. Edit: I didn't say it was throttling, its crashing at higher voltages and same clocks.
yeah why on earth would they use rubber instead of a thermal pad? I feel like a thermal pad would be almost as good at sound dampening but also be of actual use and not a hinderance. Lol awesome vid as always love the channel, only place for real pc enthusiasts to get their in depth info in video form for easy consumption.
At 11 minutes, you'd use something reflective like aluminium tape for preventing whatever's underneath it from getting hot, so maybe the paint they used on the backplate is sensitive to the amount of heat the card puts out. Can' think of any other reason other than just picky aesthetics.
Just curious, does your card have a blue LED that blinks on and off constantly when the card is powered up? I have this exact card, and I've never been able to sort out what the blue LED on the back is. It's on the backplate side of the circuit board, and is visible through the array of holes on the backplate, blinking all the time. The card works fine. Also, what's that little pushbutton on the back of the card for? I've never found out about that either. Overall, these are really great-performing graphics cards and are still *really* good even with the RTX 20xx being released!
Can you Please review and teardown the Galax GTX 1080 TI exoc. It is about the cheapest 1080 ti but would be nice to know how it rates compared to the big boys?
Do you think a Corsair H105 will be overkill for the ASUS 1080 Ti Turbo? Would maybe an H90 be enough? I am wondering, cause I have the H105, but want the H115i for my CPU for some reason. Then I could just as well put the H105 on the GPU. Alternatively, I could keep the H105 on my CPU (a 4930K btw), and get the H90 for the GPU.
I don't know if that card would have vibration but my PCS+ R9 290's fans hit against the heatsink and cause a rattle, although the Zotac's dampening is on the other side of the heatsink so I'm not sure what's going on there. I fixed my issue by putting a couple of pieces of foam tape underneath each fan, so I wonder if they were having a similar issue somehow.
Steve, how important is it to cool those vrm's ? I have a kraken g10 with a corsair h50 that I use to cool my gpu. I don't have any additional cooling for the card besides that. Am I better off using the heatsink that came with the card or is my custom cooling going to do fine? My card never goes above 55c during gaming, but is it possible the vrm's could be overheating??
Does the fan nearest to the end spin the same way? Can you make it spin backwards by wiring it backwards? You could make are flow through the VRM heatsink this way. Just curious.
Hey! If a card is displaying artefacts, can it still be used for CUDA? CUDA doesn't use the output stage, if a video card has one so, the question is - when a video card displays artefacts, is it a failure of computation, or (peripheral) output? Thanks, to those who know - I don't know where to go!
I changed between evga,gigabyte and zotac throught the years ...and when you have the cards in your hand, Zotac wins all the way! Beside that heat analysis from nexus this card wins in every other review on youtube with the highest stable clockspeed. Last year one evga card even had the entire heatpipe wrong mounted....
But what if they put the rubber bit exactly to isolate 2 heatsinks? It's not that VRM needs so much cooling, why bother? Until that big EVGA recall which was basicly caused by faulty components, not flawed design, nobody cared about cooling VRM, and cards were fine.
I'm really interested in the difference between the AMP! Extreme and the AMP! Extreme Core Edition...I've got the AMP! Extreme Core Edition and I suspect that the Core Edition has a worser "ASIC Quality"
Why companies don't make motherboards with a gpus inserted like a cpu if they have (very similiar ?) components outside the main gpu die? It feels like cpus and gpus share a lot in pcb components.
How thick should the thermal pad mod be? Is 2mm enough? I've never opened a GPU before. How dangerous can it be and can I somehow damage the existing thermal pads? Thanks a lot in advance.
5 años y hoy, 2023 yo empezando a hacerme la misma pregunta. la he destapado la mia 3 veces para cambiar pasta térmica del procesador gráfico pero sigo con las mismas almohadillas originales. solo apreto y listo, pero siento que ya es hora de cambiarlas
I got one of these for around €600 on Newegg and it simply doesn't feel that great, it doesn't feel like silicone lottery to me. I haven't been able to stabilly push the power at all and it seems to score about average in most benchmarks I think my card slot it not happy with me and I'm tempted to prop it up with a stick
Azio Prism you can't even afford a server for deep learning let alone a Vega card. it doesn't meet the gamers hopes because we don't hope for deep learning GPUs
i hope for you, Steve, that the black rubber on the fins is not actually for the Inductors....because that would make sense, touch the inductors/chokes in order to reduce vibration/coil whine. If that was true you would have done them terribly wrong by claiming it doesnt make any sense to put that thing -over the vrm-heatsink-. Too bad theres no way to spot exactly where it is when you dont have the card.
It's not anywhere close to the inductors. It's not even making contact with anything. You could have looked at the pinned comment to find that out: www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/2971-zotac-1080ti-amp-extreme-tear-down
I'm confused by the Amp Extreme Core Edition, which is a lot cheaper, than the Amp Extreme but looks the same. Do you have any idea, if the difference between those cards is really just the stock clock? Or are there differences in the PCB Layout?
Chukku the difference is core clock and memory clock. Amp extreme is the most overclocked version of the amp series. More power, more frequency more bandwidth etc.
Yes I do understand the difference between the AMP and the AMP Extreme. But there is also an 1080Ti AMP Extreme Core Edition, which SEEMS to have the same pcb and Power Supply and Cooling solution as the Amp Extreme (non-core). If the Stock Clock really is the only difference, then the Price Difference of ~65$ is... weird..., since it can be equalized with 2 mouseclicks. And I doubt, that Zotac is binning their GPUs.
Chukku well I think it has to do with the Silicon quality like the i7 series, the ones that support full overclock are k editions the others ere not. Maybe the core edition is not as stable at over 2000mhz overclock. I really do not know exactly the difference, I own myself an 1080ti amp extreme but I've didn't had the chance to test it becouse at the end of July my other components will arrive and after that I will finish building the pc.
I wonder if there is a water block for it or not I looked but couldn't find any, does any one else know of a water block for this card since I kinda wanted it for a personal build.
Thermal analysis is already done on this card. Stay tuned for the review publication. Regarding the rubber bumper: It's not on top of the chokes and it doesn't make contact, anyway. It's floating on the upper heatsink and failing to make contact to the lower VRM heatsink, and is clearly an unnecessary attempt at vibration damping.
See rubber bumper photo here: www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/2971-zotac-1080ti-amp-extreme-tear-down
You might also like our VRM analysis of the 1080 Ti Kingpin, which explains why such cards exist: th-cam.com/video/ler1PZ0L5nE/w-d-xo.html
Yea I don't think that rubber pad is for vibration my guess would be it is there for protection in case the card get squished the rubber pad will dampen the pressure on the little black heat sink and not damage the components under that heat sink.
Rubber coil wine damper
have been looking forward to this tear down for one reason and that is the power boost chips. so what are the power boost chips and what do they do?
It's not a coil whine damper. It doesn't even touch the power components.
Any rough ETA on the review? Ya mentioned before that you were looking at Vega first, but now that you have all the data it makes me think that the review might be published earlier than expected. Thanks!
Yay! I just got mine in today and Im glad one of my favorite reviewers is taking a look at it. I love it so far.
"Zotac 1080 Ti video brought to you by EVGA 1080 Ti that we highly recommend you to buy" I cracked up xDD
Parsa Strife yeah a little bit like "we are not biased, not at all"
lol
anyone who purchases a Gigabyte or Zotac product that is not doing a budget PC build. I have no respect for them...
The plastic on the backplate is probably in case you push on the backplate and it does make contact
Maybe the point is to purposefully isolate the vrm to cool the gpu side a bit more. With that many phases it's not going to run too hot.
You shall find out soon! The testing is all done.
I was going to post this, but you beat me to it.
I hope you'll have cute boy buildzoid on it soon too!
Maybe the use of the black pad is to prevent scratching on both heat sink
Having more phases is most of the time to get better efficiency and a more capable VRM. So I wouldn't expect this to run very hot as you are spreading the load of the VRM over 16 phases, that as a result don't have to push that much power in each phase.
The film on the backplate is an isolative barrier to reduce electron bleed.
Trijiv does that traps heat? is it safe to remove?
i really like the look of this one, out of all the 1080ti's I've seen.
Isn't the rubber strip positioned above the coils instead of above the aluminum heatsink?
If it is, my guess would be, that it is supposed to reduce coil whine.
That would also explain, why it doesn't make contact.. it is not supposed to.
thank god your doing the Zotac extreme edition GTX 1080 TI
your hands are so white i though you were wearing latex gloves for a moment
The main reason for the rubber pad I can see is to prevent scratching the black paint off the VRM heatsink during shipping. We all have heard those stories about what happens to packages during shipping and I know I would be worried if I saw small black pieces coming out of the antistatic bag the card comes in.
Why was a video about a Zotac card sponsored by EVGA?
Holy crap the visual fidelity of this video. I swear you guys were streaming raw 8k footage.
I think that rubber material on the heatsink exists, to spread the force over the Pcb, specialty when force is applied on the back of the card.
I'm so excited you got ahold of this card, ordering mine tomorrow or maybe I'll wait for the full review.
The amp! extreme edition cards are awesome. I would go out to say it was the best 980ti card, and 1080 card. The 1080ti though seems a little lacking as other card manufacturers actually get near the same clocks on their stock cards and the o.c.ing is actually matched/ exceeded by some other cards.
I find it interesting that they have a different RAM socket missing a mem chip vs. other 1080 Ti cards (which is usually the second one up on the right).
Rubber need to optimize airflow, i think. Airflow from central fan can freely exit VRM rad towards RGB headers. So airflow from right fan will intere more with airflow from central fan without this rubber, stopping it. I think...
And this is may be just protection from scratches
Interesting timing for this tear down. I just got this on my doorstep this morning.
It's a protective layer on the bulk material the manufacturer either forgot to or specifically chose not to remove
Prior to running stress tests I did the following:
-opened up the card and applied Thermal Grizzly in lieu of MFR thermal paste
-mounted my card to the side of my case with a riser cable and mount
Notables:
-ambient temperature was 23ºC
-ran FurMark at the following settings: 1920x1080 AA-8X MSAA
-GPU runs a three monitor setup; all are 1080p/144Hz/1ms and monitor 1 was used
-GPU clocks were stock with the boost clock at 1974 MHz and memory at 5599 MHz
**edit**
-two tests consisted of approximately 30 mins of stressing with ample cool-down time in between (44ºC)
End results
-min FPS: 67, max FPS: 71, avg FPS: 70
-GPU utilized 85% TDP, 69% fan speed, temperature 70ºC
-no SLM was used; most prevalent noise was due to water pump, case fans, and coolant being flushed back into reservoir
My take:
Not the most 'sound' way to prove a point, but since my parts came in I decided to apply some decent thermal paste while I had the case open and the card out. The board sag was irking me, so I rectified that as well. I do believe in the process that by positioning the card in this manner I have: a) probably reduced the ambient heat in the case and b) increased the level of sound I would hear from the fans as it sits right up against the tempered glass panel. This being said, I honestly have yet to see my card fans push 100%. I don't dabble in overclocking GPUs, and with this beast you really shouldn't have to do that. With an MSRP of $729 (currently on sale), this price point not only trumps a majority of the non-reference cards in price, but all of them in performance as well. I'm quite happy with my purchase, and I really think all this talk of 'coil whine' is either a farce or a fluke. Go buy the card off of Newegg and return it after 20 days if it whines. After that, go buy your FTW3 or Strix. Neither one of these will compare, IMHO.
I don't know why you're so passionate about the robber strip, seems to me it's there either to avoid unwanted noises when picking up the card (I'm leaning toward that one) or/and to avoid heating up the GPU's heat sink. It's really not that big a deal.
It would have been a perfect well placed rubber if this card was made by EVGA.
Well on cars we add rubber in between two metal surfaces to either prevent rattling (noise) from movement or to avoid a heat transfer so I would assume it'd be both. That's my take
It won't rattle, and it increases heat of the VRM -- stay tuned for the review!
Maybe the VRMs are so cool that they can't work properly and they need to heat them up.
That plastic is there to prevent the card from shorting out across the backplate.
The 1+mm standoffs already do that quite well.
I feel quite honored that GN responded to a comment of mine. And I know that, but I've found that in many consumer applications, they put those there just in case something was to happen (Ie card flex / sloppy soldering in the factory) and I would assume that they think a ~ 0.003 dollar piece of plastic is better than taking the chances and having to RMA the card. As I would also assume that something falling on it could also cause the metal to flex.
Additionally, do you know if the backplate is grounded because that could also be used as a static shield (a multimeter could be used to test for conductivity), because it is possible for a static shock to arc across the backplate and to one of the solder points.
Gamers Nexus This guy's comments seems far more likely than your explanation. Ask zotac and see what they say about it.
Nathan Fletcher I think you're spot on man. I always worry about these metal back plates shorting the board but damn are they nice looking.
Backplate = back heat shield so you don't feel the burning VRMs. It may also block the infrared camera reading.
We don't use IR cameras. We use thermocouples.
The plastic coating on the backplate is to avoid shorting contacts on the back. I'm surprised and disappointed that Gamers Nexus weren't aware of this...
Hey! You got the Zotac finally
With this bulky cards, they slowly need to invent a new mounting solution. this can't be good for the PCI connection
They already did. The new motherboards have steel reinforced slots.
For cards that thick, manufacturers should never be afraid of throwing on a 3-slot PCIe I/O bracket. I really don't understand manufacturers on that regard.
Sechs0rBecks - Yes! I always wanted them to make a reversed gpu instead of them both facing the same way have your first gpu facing towards the cpu and the second facing the normal way. With my 2 1080 ti strix's I would deffenatly get better heat dissipation with my first card. right now there s a 10 degrees Celsius difference between the 2 where I can't push them as far unless I over clock the 2 separately, which is a pain. Also most people have the normal case where the fans are pointed down which is stupid because heat rises right into the gpu, instead of if they were reversed I'd almost be willing to guarantee better thermal results. Well i have an awesome case labs case the has a flat mother board layout so mines not as bad but that first gpu has like 3 to 5 mm of space before hitting the back of my second card, it's crazy and that's even on a x99 deluxe board that is supposed to be one of the best but for a half of a slot space for air it's just insanely close. Can't over clock at all because of it and that sux when u spend that much money on a 2 card setup.
Horizontal motherboard or pcie riser.
You seem to be right vdochev. I don't even have a top of the line mobo (msi z170 gaming m5a) and it comes with steel reinforced pcie slots.
What thickness are the thermal pads? And what's the distance between the backplate and pcb?
aún ando buscando el grosor de las thermal pads, para hacer cambio
Other interesting fact about the card (despite different empty memory spot) is that the core is GP102-350-K6-A1 and not K1 like all other.
Isn't this pretty much the same as the 1070 amp extreme card? Running mine at +750 on the memory and the gpu never drops below 2050mhz and runs so cool and quite you can't tell its plugged in apart from the performance and the yellow led telling you the power cables are plugged in. Best card I've ever owned.
not biased Zotac card look brought to you by EVGA... complains about plastic wrap and a rubber bumper... what's worse is im a donner, i expect more than this...
Gamer's Nexus, what are those "power boost" things on the back of the card? Anything or just branding?
Those "POWER BOOST" are capacitors introduced to help reduce ripple noise and minimize power fluctuations. Basically to stabilize the card for smooth gameplay.
They get extremely hot, so i doubt they are there just for looks =)
I think what you guys do is important. You call out mistakes when you see them and don't just cater to praising everything. Manufacterers should appreciate your insight rather than withhold products to avoid a potentially negative comment about their design.
In the last part where you got confused counting the doublers these arent the doublers these are the drivers the doubles are 8 little squares infront of the controller
batter than EVGA I TRUST ZOTAC
My VRM burned beacause of overheating. Fucking rubber bump!!!
Just a heads up if the fans or lights aren't working right, the gpu just needs supported. The card is so heavy when it sags the lights wont work right and fans will run constantly lol. Spent a few hours troubleshooting it, almost to big for its own good.
would be nice to pull off the shroud so we can better see the heat pipe run
Steve did you ever try the thermal strip in place of the rubber strip across the heatsink? If so did it work well or not worth it???
the black glossy plastic sheet on the back of the back plate, is to prevent the card from shorting on the back plate. however remote you or i may consider that happening to be. they've obviously decided it's a risk not worth taking. i see it all the time on laptops, usually acer units. though they usually stick the plastic sheet directly to the board. it's a bit odd to see it on a GPU, but i'm surprised you don't know what it is or didn't recognise it.
I do know what it is. We've reviewed a few dozen video cards in the past year, so of course we've seen it before. The point is that they should just use something that actually makes sense instead, like a thermal pad.
i doubt a thermal pad would have any tangible benefit in that spot. it just seemed like he was confused over what the sheet was over the back plate is all. and yeah, it's a pointless thing to put there really. the stand offs should be more then adequate to keep the card from shorting on the back plate, as you said. and even then, small plastic or rubber nipples would surely be a less insulating method of achieving that gap then those silly plastic sheets.
Its strange how no1 didnt mention the thickness of the thermal pads that goes on this GPU .
Its clearly two thickness Green ( I guess 2mm ) and Blue ( 1mm or 1,5mm ) ?
would love to see you guys try a diy hybrid with zotac gtx 1080 mini with either kraken g10 or g12 with corsair h55 aio in push/pull config
keep up the good work you guys are awesome
When I first heard ZOTAC name, I thought that it is something like polish or czech brand
Someone nope, its based in Macau, and all of its products are manufactured in china
I really like the tear downs you guys make. But you might find a way to coordinate with your cameraman that we don't have to watch unfocused footage of something moving around way too quickly. With that said, it's my only criticism.
And I was convinced that the FTW cards were overbuilt. Even the Kingpin made for LN2 and other extreme cooling doesn't need this many phases.
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Why im i watching a PCB tear-down of a gpu at 8 am, meanwhile i have a gtx 1080 ti myself... man im such a nerd arent I?
TheScorpio32 lol same here. got a 1080ti as well and watching a vid abt it xD
well im actually very curious, cause i got the card myself.
i have the Aorus, anyone here got the FE variant?
Because you're bored and find this video (mildly) interesting.
well this is probably the biggest card on the market. TBH i just came to see that ENORMOUS heatsink
I'm a bit upset because you're assuming that they're just saving the cooling for the core and avoiding the vrm, but I think they're cooling the Vrms just fine, and feel like the added heat to the core just isn't worth it.
We're not assuming it -- we know. The tests are done.
Gamers Nexus and? Is the vrm cooled enough to last 10+ years? If so, I would assume the rubber is in fact better, to keep the core even 1-2 degrees cooler.
Rick Rands After spending weeks overclocking this card with the XOC bios I'm pretty sure that the VRM temps are likely holding it back. Might be actually better replacing that rubber with a thermal pad.
Shan Solo I can't imagine why, as these VRMs are rated above 90C anyway. I'm also concerned by your comment because unless the card is throttling itself based on vrm temps they can't possibly be holding the card back without failing, effectively killing the card completely. The concern with high temps is longevity, not clock speed/performance.
Rick Rands From my testing the card drops stability at higher voltages even at the same GPU temps and same or lower clocks. Highly unlikely it's the mem chips overheating so it's the most probable culprit.
Edit: I didn't say it was throttling, its crashing at higher voltages and same clocks.
yeah why on earth would they use rubber instead of a thermal pad? I feel like a thermal pad would be almost as good at sound dampening but also be of actual use and not a hinderance. Lol awesome vid as always love the channel, only place for real pc enthusiasts to get their in depth info in video form for easy consumption.
At 11 minutes, you'd use something reflective like aluminium tape for preventing whatever's underneath it from getting hot, so maybe the paint they used on the backplate is sensitive to the amount of heat the card puts out. Can' think of any other reason other than just picky aesthetics.
When will rgb thermal pad be available? Man really need one of those
Just curious, does your card have a blue LED that blinks on and off constantly when the card is powered up? I have this exact card, and I've never been able to sort out what the blue LED on the back is.
It's on the backplate side of the circuit board, and is visible through the array of holes on the backplate, blinking all the time. The card works fine.
Also, what's that little pushbutton on the back of the card for? I've never found out about that either.
Overall, these are really great-performing graphics cards and are still *really* good even with the RTX 20xx being released!
Can you Please review and teardown the Galax GTX 1080 TI exoc. It is about the cheapest 1080 ti but would be nice to know how it rates compared to the big boys?
When will you get Vega products in the shop to review?
Do you think a Corsair H105 will be overkill for the ASUS 1080 Ti Turbo? Would maybe an H90 be enough? I am wondering, cause I have the H105, but want the H115i for my CPU for some reason. Then I could just as well put the H105 on the GPU. Alternatively, I could keep the H105 on my CPU (a 4930K btw), and get the H90 for the GPU.
I don't know if that card would have vibration but my PCS+ R9 290's fans hit against the heatsink and cause a rattle, although the Zotac's dampening is on the other side of the heatsink so I'm not sure what's going on there. I fixed my issue by putting a couple of pieces of foam tape underneath each fan, so I wonder if they were having a similar issue somehow.
Steve, how important is it to cool those vrm's ? I have a kraken g10 with a corsair h50 that I use to cool my gpu. I don't have any additional cooling for the card besides that. Am I better off using the heatsink that came with the card or is my custom cooling going to do fine? My card never goes above 55c during gaming, but is it possible the vrm's could be overheating??
Hello Steve. One question. How did you measure the temp on the FETs? Is it via software or hardware? Thank you.
Does the fan nearest to the end spin the same way? Can you make it spin backwards by wiring it backwards? You could make are flow through the VRM heatsink this way. Just curious.
Is MSI going to ship a 1080ti lightning version to you guys some time ? would be cool.
I like! Congratulations. My 1080ti ❤
Daniel Fortes is this the best VGA?? Some say zotac Fan is terible and really loud and sometimes not work..
I'm happy with my zotac. I never had problems, not to mention that I'm in Brazil, here is this card and the best one. great video
Hey! If a card is displaying artefacts, can it still be used for CUDA? CUDA doesn't use the output stage, if a video card has one so, the question is - when a video card displays artefacts, is it a failure of computation, or (peripheral) output? Thanks, to those who know - I don't know where to go!
Can you do a tear down of the Zotac GTX 1080 Mini
I changed between evga,gigabyte and zotac throught the years ...and when you have the cards in your hand, Zotac wins all the way!
Beside that heat analysis from nexus this card wins in every other review on youtube with the highest stable clockspeed.
Last year one evga card even had the entire heatpipe wrong mounted....
But what if they put the rubber bit exactly to isolate 2 heatsinks? It's not that VRM needs so much cooling, why bother? Until that big EVGA recall which was basicly caused by faulty components, not flawed design, nobody cared about cooling VRM, and cards were fine.
"The full review will come shortly hereafter, though Vega is first."
Can't wait for Vega reviews!
What brand are the thermal pad, how thick, and how much do I need to buy?
This tickled my inner nerd and thanks for pointing out that this probably won't be the card for me.
I'm really interested in the difference between the AMP! Extreme and the AMP! Extreme Core Edition...I've got the AMP! Extreme Core Edition and I suspect that the Core Edition has a worser "ASIC Quality"
Why companies don't make motherboards with a gpus inserted like a cpu if they have (very similiar ?) components outside the main gpu die? It feels like cpus and gpus share a lot in pcb components.
How thick should the thermal pad mod be? Is 2mm enough? I've never opened a GPU before. How dangerous can it be and can I somehow damage the existing thermal pads? Thanks a lot in advance.
5 años y hoy, 2023 yo empezando a hacerme la misma pregunta. la he destapado la mia 3 veces para cambiar pasta térmica del procesador gráfico pero sigo con las mismas almohadillas originales. solo apreto y listo, pero siento que ya es hora de cambiarlas
I got one of these for around €600 on Newegg and it simply doesn't feel that great, it doesn't feel like silicone lottery to me.
I haven't been able to stabilly push the power at all and it seems to score about average in most benchmarks
I think my card slot it not happy with me and I'm tempted to prop it up with a stick
would be nice to tell us what thickness of pads there are
Any idea what is the purpose of the micro USB port and the tiny button near the I/O?
Hi Steve what can you say on the PCPER benchmark results on the Vega FE?
My 1080ti amp extreme vrm is suck ??
where is a good place to buy high performance thermal pads to replace what came on my old gpu?
Thermal Pad thickness on 1080 Amp! Extreme ?
What pad thickness did you use? Need to change all thermal pad?
*FINALLY, i guess Vega wasn't what we hoped for and this video getting uploaded explains why.*
Azio Prism you can't even afford a server for deep learning let alone a Vega card. it doesn't meet the gamers hopes because we don't hope for deep learning GPUs
does tearing it down removes the warranty?
i hope for you, Steve, that the black rubber on the fins is not actually for the Inductors....because that would make sense, touch the inductors/chokes in order to reduce vibration/coil whine. If that was true you would have done them terribly wrong by claiming it doesnt make any sense to put that thing -over the vrm-heatsink-. Too bad theres no way to spot exactly where it is when you dont have the card.
It's not anywhere close to the inductors. It's not even making contact with anything. You could have looked at the pinned comment to find that out: www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/2971-zotac-1080ti-amp-extreme-tear-down
I'm confused by the Amp Extreme Core Edition, which is a lot cheaper, than the Amp Extreme but looks the same.
Do you have any idea, if the difference between those cards is really just the stock clock? Or are there differences in the PCB Layout?
Chukku the difference is core clock and memory clock.
Amp extreme is the most overclocked version of the amp series.
More power, more frequency more bandwidth etc.
Yes I do understand the difference between the AMP and the AMP Extreme.
But there is also an 1080Ti AMP Extreme Core Edition, which SEEMS to have the same pcb and Power Supply and Cooling solution as the Amp Extreme (non-core).
If the Stock Clock really is the only difference, then the Price Difference of ~65$ is... weird..., since it can be equalized with 2 mouseclicks.
And I doubt, that Zotac is binning their GPUs.
Chukku well I think it has to do with the Silicon quality like the i7 series, the ones that support full overclock are k editions the others ere not.
Maybe the core edition is not as stable at over 2000mhz overclock.
I really do not know exactly the difference, I own myself an 1080ti amp extreme but I've didn't had the chance to test it becouse at the end of July my other components will arrive and after that I will finish building the pc.
Should I get the extreme 1080ti core edition? Its the only one I can find in stock anytime soon.
No. Wait for Vega.
the 1080 ti Inno 3d i chill l, oh man that is the rely hardcore colling
@Gamers Nexus. What is that power boost thing on the back??
how do you take the front cover off a Zotac ZT-P10800C-10P GeForce GTX 1080 AMP Edition has im building a white rig
Does this share PCB with the 1080 Ti AMP! Edition? I'm trying to find a compatible block.
So what is the best gtx 1080 Ti?
the rubber looked like it was covering the chokes. coil whine reduction?
It's not on top of the chokes and it doesn't make contact. It's floating on the upper heatsink and failing to make contact to the lower VRM heatsink.
No.
When are u releasing full review?
can i add a water block to to this graphic card ?? or its impossible ??
it's big, it's long, & seems heavy. looks hot too.
i'm looking for a water-cooling block for the 1080 amp! extreme edition. any suggestions?
www.aliexpress.com/item/32821638057.html
anyone who purchases a Gigabyte or Zotac product that is not doing a budget PC build. I have no respect for them...
looks like some thin vinyl @ 11 minutes
Also THIRD!!
I wonder if there is a water block for it or not I looked but couldn't find any, does any one else know of a water block for this card since I kinda wanted it for a personal build.
Do you know what voltage controller this card uses please??
What kind of connector is that for the fans?