AC Joint Separation - Pain Free in Minutes with These Techniques
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ค. 2017
- www.carterpt.com/ac-joint/ - This video covers a variety of manual therapy techniques that quickly resolved the remaining pain and limitations of an AC joint injury. AC joint strains and AC joint separations can often lead to long-term pain and limited range of motion if they are not treated appropriately. So, if your therapist is not using hands-on physical therapy treatments that quickly reduce or get rid of the pain completely and improve your ability to move your shoulder, you are missing out.
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I just had an AC separation. Found this video and now going to sign up for a Discovery Session with you guys! Hopefully this can heal right and get me back to normal.
great technique to relief ac join pain!
Very nice 👌 great advice, Gracias ❤️
Phenomenal video
Great technique 👍🏻, it helps a lot
Thank you Carter !
Very welcome!
Excellent video 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
This will help me so much , broken my clavicle in 4 places and now cronic 8 years later with muscle and nerve pain. Thanks for posting.
Our pleasure!
Thank you so much! My physical therapist(s) didn't help much , but this really gave me relief. I've had a popping clavicle for 20 yrs and doctors always told me not to worry about it. My shoulder started to feel like it was being impinged, but after finding the real cause... I found this vid. Lifesaver!
Very cool, anyone know of anyone in Sydney Australia that uses that technique. I like it ??
I have done the same ,now I am with Armband 3 weeks almost,next week I need another xray and I wish me to be there .Now sometimes I feel exactly the same pain , hope thats gonna be okey soon.I just don't have power now to move it...this is so strange for the first time . So my one was separeted and cracked a bit... 😌🙂
This is great idea! I have tried it on myself on upper trapezius and it helped immediately! I wish I have much longer arms....
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Stretch those lats and teres. Elevation of the rib cage at end range.
The same happened to me. Did he do he do surgery?
this injury really sucks. i collided with one of my teammates in a hockey game about 2 years ago and i still haven’t gotten it back to 100% i’d literally do anything to have the full range back 😩 working out is so aggravating with it. i’m constantly getting fatigued in that area and it just sucks
Dear Mike DeVincent, I'm sorry to hear about your injury. Unfortunately, much of what is gonna get you better involves hands-on treatment that must be done in person... After a thorough evaluation by a qualified practitioner. Injuries can be very different from one person to the next, and therefore can require very different treatment plans. The best thing for you to do is find a well-rated licensed physical therapist/physiotherapist in your area that has advanced training in manual therapy. And though this video is about manual therapy, therapeutic exercises are also vital in fully recovering from this injury ... even if it happened year ago. If you are in the Austin, Texas area, we can help discuss your injury and the best steps to getting better quickly via a free consultation at our clinic: www.carterpt.com/free-20-minute-discovery-session/
I see I'm a bit late to this party, but if this comment is seen, I'd love to hear some more about this spesific injury.
Things like the severity of it (a small sprain or partial, even full AC separation), time elapsed since the accident, relevant things in general.
Thank You very much for the video, and for your time if you find some to share extra details. Cheers!
It was a Grade 2 separation and this treatment was about a week after injury
Anyone in the bay area you recommend? I have the same injury caused from dirtbike racing and its been 3 months since the crash and also have this 90% range challenge.
How many weeks between when you wrecked and this video
Do you have experience with Geyser sign?
Hi.... I have a serious pain, I think it was a dislocation because I fell down last week while playing football. Can you please help me on that.
My shoulder bone is sticking up from this, thank youuu.
Same here🥲
Ive been having some fevers coming from really tough trapezius muscles, Been to the ER multiple times blood test good heart is good, all motor functions are fine its just once. Those traps start to heat up major headaches and heat and light sensitivity. Been doing this workouts on myself and it does help but man o man hopefully this stuff goes away soon. Tylenol is what helps the most even though I don't like taking pills.
If you're having "fevers", you're not dealing with just an AC joint sprain... please continue to seek Medical help to figure out what's going on
I have a grade 2 separation on right shoulder since 2003. Never any real problems with it. However, about 5 months ago. While moving some heavy object and letting it down. I felt a weird stretching sensation and then pain. From that point on, I've had numbness down my arm and constant pain. My index finger will move while sitting and I have trouble keep my arm up on the steering while while driving.
Numbness and pain down your arm is not coming from an AC joint separation ... that's coming from your neck and you need to see a good physical therapist for treatment
Many thanks for your prompt response. Have a great day.
How are you now? You got better?
Great video. How would you approach this treatment on grade 3 AC joint separations?
Same approach really ... the elevated collar bone on grade 3 strains likely won't change BUT I found in a lot of cases that isn't the generator of the pain and that these myofascial techniques )along with the right exercises) can still make a grade 3 painfree
Hey Carter, that is a great and very informative video; quick question : Been dealin with a mild separation the past year, what i ve noticed is that freestroke swimming tends to make the separation worse and by worse i dont mean pain wise, but gap wise. Do you think its in my head or is it something that could actually happen? I got a 2ond degree separation and i had clavicle resection and subacromial decompression (sadly in 2 different surgeries cuz my surgeons suck)
Sorry for the delayed reply ... yes, continual strain of the joint can make the separation worse over time.
I'm dealing with an AC joint issue. I thought I'd check out your website and see if just maybe you were located close by. Turns out I'm in San Antonio. If my issue doesn't resolve within another 2 to 3 weeks I may come see you.
Sorry that I'm just now seeing this! How is your shoulder feeling now?
I also have the exact joint pain like him. And it hurts real hard after typing on computer and playing piano. It feels like it won't go away.
Sounds like you need to find a good manual physical therapist in your area!
How soon do you recommend getting treated?
Vlog Epicness straight away
As soon as possible after injury!
I messed up my AC joint about 7 months ago. I had pain with the injury but thought it would heal with time. it actually got worst, to the point where i was getting heart attack symptoms that would give me Anxiety and panic attacks which i never had before either. Pain was from the neck which would give me headaches, dizziness and a feeling i was going to pass out, all the way to the shoulder down to the wrist. I also had pain in the chest that woudl come out of nowhere. Thank god i finalyl went to a GOOD chiropractor and she figuered out right away what was wrong with me and fixed me up she used what felt like a hammer to nock it back in alignment. Ah im so happy im finally back to normal.
cooldbz12 did you want to reveal your answer that she gave ?
Reveal the treatment or anything useful in that matter?
Pls how can i contact her give me her email or number or website
I'm happy for you that you are doing well bro. Could you please tell us the treatment or how you fixed the issue? because I have the same symptoms.
I had a 4th degree separation and I had to get surgery. My shoulder and arm no longer look like it’s just hanging off.
I'm a grade l... AC Seperation left shoulder. Dirt bike fall.In your video I followed how your hand (finger) massaged and pressed in. I can do this with my right hand to press in and down the left shoulder ect. Is this ok to do this on your own? Or will this make more problems? Thank you. Great Video!
It's unlikely you'd be able to use enough force to cause any major issues, but it's not gonna be nearly as effective as if a good manual therapist were performing the techniques
i had injury in my a/c joint my a/c bone was separated form ligament is any treatment or exercise to joint again and also my shoulder tried very fast can you tell me any exercises for it.
Unfortunately, the separation will probably be there for life unless you get it surgically repaired. But there are plenty of big separations that can become painfree with full strength and ROM if you do the right rehab with the right practitioner. Best of luck!!
Excellent information! How many times is one supposed to get this type massage? Daily? Thank you!
I do this to my husband and he needs it every week or so. It may depend on extent of injury and the person.
So glad to hear this is working for him and you're able to reproduce the techniques!
You can do it daily or every other day till the improvements fully last from one session to the next, and then you can start to spread them further apart and less frequently
Would it be possible to do weight training with an ac joint separation?
In almost all cases, yes! But it's important to do so with a good Physiotherapist who can guide you on how to get back to the type of training you want to do without causing problems longterm.
How long until you can do shoulder taps with this injury?
All depends on a lot of factors .. best to get the guidance of someone who can treat it in person
I need something like this. I’m in Dallas FYI.
Check out www.jeffraupt.com/
What grade AC separation did he have and how was it managed initially ? Op or no op and if yes, at what week post injury?
He didnt do any surgery I think
No surgery - was grade 2 if I remember correctly
Help me..... i got my ac joint separated 1 year back, and didn't do any surgery, just wore a sling and gave a gentle massage..... Its been a year and i have a mild pain when i keep my arm stable for a long time and i would get a cracking sound when I move again..... and now I would like to go to gym.... but i wanted to know that is it possible for me to do a bit of heavy weight workout??
Best suggestion: Find a good manual physiotherapist to work on it for you
If u have a grade 2 or 3 how long before u should start regaining strength with physiotherapy 2-3 weeks?
Nah more like 1 to 2 months this my 7 month and I still feel weak a lil on it but don't worry in a year you can do everything again
Just remember that 'strength' and 'pain' are very different things, but pain can inhibit strength gains because it limits what levels of exercise you can do. If you have someone perform these types of manual therapy techniques to reduce the pain and increase range of motion, you can typically advance your excerises faster and should start feeling the strength gains within 2-6 weeks. Depending on a number of factors though, it can still take months to get back to 100% strength.
@@jasiahhill3133 how you doing after a year? I don't want to know that in a year I'm still gonna have pain there. I recently got injured over 2 weeks ago and I can move my arms again I just can't lift anything with it. Will my strength ever come back?
ALBO yeah my strength came back but not the same how it use to be I can lift up to 135 and I weight only 112 but nah I still have certain weak spots on my shoulder but it’s almost fully healed just take time with it don’t do anything that deals with your shoulder if you ain’t comfortable yet💯
Can you seperate your shoulder without falling directly on your shoulder?
Y T unfortunately yes you can
Got a grade 2 separation about two weeks ago pain not that bad right now it jst feels like something is sitting on my shoulder swelling was going down then all of a sudden swelling is back up again
Time to see a physio in your area to keep this from happening repeatedly
Help me, i have no pain after a few minutes of massaging the trap and have full range of motion with minor to no discomfort.
Yet I still have a slight lift at the distal end of my clavicle, I train gymnastics with some back squats and deadlifts if that helps.
Benched for the first time in my life yesterday and now I have this problem
Sounds like its time to visit an ortopedic surgeon for an opinion, unless you already done that.
Time to see a physical therapist in your area
I am from India how can i contact you
Please advise me! My VA orthopedic surgeon tells me my AC joint is not separated. Yet the MRI says 11mm gap. I have been in PT for 5 months for a Slap and Bankhart repair, and my AC joint continues to get more painful and large in appearance. The surgeon and the PT both say the strength training will resolve the AC joint problem, but the conundrum is that it is in fact making it worse. Before the labrum repair I asked about AC joint resection being done at the same time, but they did not feel it was necessary. I am a massage therapist out of work since September 2016 and I must resolve this on my own before next year. Have you dealt with a case similar to mine, or could you recommend anything to me? God bless
So very sorry to hear about your dilemma .. having those other injuries associated with the overall situation definitely muddies the waters. Like I said, the appearance of the separation is not going to change, but the pain should improve over time with the right treatment. Is your PT doing much/any hands-on manual therapy? If so, is it anything like what I've shown here. If they're unwilling or unable, perhaps getting a massage colleague to try some of these techniques?
Where do you live?
My PT is really doing great work, I am very impressed as a massage therapist. It is a little different but I don't want to tell him what to do. If you don't mind giving me one more opinion, I want to use crawling as done on a youtube channel called Original Strength as my goal once I get this under control. Do you think bearing weight on all fours like this is unrealistic in my future, considering it does put some stress on the AC joint? I have long since abandoned weights and rock climbing and I must find something functional that ties my body together because I get very depressed without this. Thanks!
If you're gonna do crawling exercise movements, I'd defintely avoid having your hands really close together cause that'll put higher strain on the AC. But in general, I wouldn't do anything that causes sharp pain.
Michael Dooley your shoulder is toasted unless you have dough to repair through surgery. Grade 3 is mine and docs tend to shy away from surgery accordi 3, night to more complications from performing. If you have the opportunity to trust your doctor, surgery is best if grade 3 , most likely, but most docs would rather not deal with the AC separation and refer you elsewhere
I have a grade 4 but was told surgery success rate is only 20-25%. Been dealing with this injury for over 20 years now.
dang I got two bumps on my shoulders I guess because when I'm on 4th grade I crashed in my bike that I was riding and I think it has a lot of impact due to high speed of mine then until now I hace bumbs what should I do?
Find a good manual physiotherapist to work on it for you
@@CarterPhysiotherapyAustin in your network, do you have any recommendations in the San Francisco Bay Area?
I fell on my shoulder and have pain at the top. Pushing on the area brings pain. I can’t do the criss body arm test it’s too painful. Is that normal for ac joint injury?
*cross body arm test
Yes, those are all signs of AC joint injury! I myself am recovering from similar I hurt. Ice it twice a day man... and give it time to heal... I am still learning to deal/ recover. I recommend looking up more videos on TH-cam, a lot of great content out here
Yep, sounds like it but needs confirmation by a licensed physician or physical therapist. Find someone in your area who will try to reproduce the techniques in this video. Best of luck!!
I injured my AC, level one. It has been 3 weeks. How long before I can play football again? It hurts to reach behind me or reach across my body. When I do a shoulder roll my AC and surrounding ligaments snap, crackle and pop. How many more weeks am I out?
Trevor Gomez same thing happened to me during football, my school trainer said 1-2 weeks because it was level one but it’s been almost three and feel it when I throw
Y’all got updates? I’m on week one and I’m shaking.
@@moseisleyblues8492 yo how long it took to heal bro ?
Jasiah Hill I just started benching again after about 7 weeks and that shit still hurts- my endurance is trash now.
Stop now... you got the rest of ur life to think of. Coming from a 32 yr old former ice hockey player. Once it starts happening it keeps happening. Then it happens in life and not sports. The pain I feel daily at 32 makes me dread what 60 will be like. You only get one body.
Sir I met with an aacident. I had an ac joint seperation 3 (bump is clearly visible) and fracture in scapula.
Doctor has advised me not lift weight by my injured arm for life and also I am unfit for army. Please help.
It's been 3 months . I have full range of motion but when I pick something heavy it hurts.
I hope he meant weight lifting like the sport, and not to advice you to not strenght exercise. When you have full range of motion you can and should excercise strenght training, but not as it hurts. You should also not feel that the discomfort is worsened hours after training. Then you have to put lighter weights.
Grade 3 often needs surgery to get a full recovery. Grade 1-2 are normally treated without surgery. I have a grade 1 (maybe grade 2 since 1 doctor said that first). I had to work hard on my recovery for 1 year. I advice you to see a physical therapist, and discuss weather to try conservative training or surgery. Surgery will still need physiotherapy, so seeing the PT is smart anyway :)
Dear kamal negi, I'm sorry to hear about your injury. Unfortunately, much of what is gonna get you better involves hands-on treatment that must be done in person... After a thorough evaluation by a qualified practitioner. Injuries can be very different from one person to the next, and therefore can require very different treatment plans. The best thing for you to do is find a well-rated licensed physical therapist/physiotherapist in your area that has advanced training in manual therapy. If you are in the Austin, Texas area, we can help discuss your injury and the best steps to getting better quickly via a free consultation at our clinic: www.carterpt.com/free-20-minute-discovery-session/
im a fast bowler.i have pain at the same spot.whenever i swing my arm to deliver the ball it hurts a lot
Find a good physio in your area
We’re is your clinic
Austin, Texas - www.carterpt.com/
What! You guys have good rings on chains! Lift me up there!
Anyone in Minnesota that has these techniques?
So recently I think I might of gotten separated shoulder but besides there being the bone slightly popped out theres no pain. i dont know if thats a concern or not.
Me to the bones like a small bump and i feel no pain but my shoulders do pop so im freaking out even though it doesnt hurt lol
This is the same thing for me too.
It's very little tenderness on that bone but I can do all the movements without pain.
No pain?
My shit still hurts after 11 months, being that I love to workout, it sucks :/
But wont TP and hands on technique give the patient only temporary pain reduction?
Good question .. in some cases, the progress made in a hands-on PT session will fade a little between treatments, but if you do a few treatments in a row, the pain relief should be more and more lasting with each one.
is this your clinical experience or are u following an evidence based review/RCT/study? ^^
Based on my clinical experience ... studies of "physical therapy for AC joint strain" or almost anything for that matter often don't involve manual therapy, and if they do, it's never the specific types of techniques I use (nor do I know the skill level of the therapists providing treatment in those studies), so I therefore take the results of those types of studies with a grain of salt.
Yes
MY left shoulder end coller bone bump is big than right one.....how to cure it???......
Any help
Did you find the solution?
@@user-jt8yv9co5m not yet
i thought that the torn ac joint was irreparable? would i recover even if I'm a weight lifter
The big "step" off the collar bone that can occur with bad AC tears is not likely to "repair" and improve without surgery (which is generally not advised in most cases). However, the pain and loss of range of motion is what can be drastically improved with the right manual therapy techniques like the ones shown in this video. If you're in Austin, reach out to us via www.carterpt.com/. If not, find a good Physical Therapist in your area who is certified in Manual Therapy.
Carter Physiotherapy I wish I was near I would be there in a heart beat. I have the same pain as this guy in the video when I put my arm across my neck. I can tell we are probably at the same pain level, and I have spent too much/ soo much money on different therapists who all have no idea what or how to begin. I'm in California in the Palm Springs area. If you know anyone close by I would love to know thank you for your video
Wish I knew someone there! Perhaps find an open minded therapist and show them this video? :-)
Carter Physiotherapy I showed her the video and she was just like skipping past it not interested in what I had to say, and said, "oh oh oh I know what it is it's exactly like I told you"
What a shame ... time to find a new therapist!
I am in pain R side but i didnt fall i was in the gym i didnt know what happend !!
OMG. So did I. Well, the pain is light. But it is bothersome. Been having this for almost a month now. Went to a therapist but said I only need to rest the shoulder. Need six to eight weeks to heal.
That's complete BS that your therapist just said to rest and that nothing else can be done... find a good manual physical therapist in your area!
I’ve been in pain in my collarbone shoulder and chest area for two years my I don’t know if it’s a separation but I can slightly pull my shoulders out of my arm if that might mean anything my sternum pops a lot as well I also get grating and some popping in my clavicle I use to bench and do a lot of dips the pain is very severe and has a heavy feeling to it and when laying down and getting up after a while it’s even worse also I have a lot of cracking and tightness in my traps would I benefit from these types of massage and do you think I have a similar problem as the guy in the video as some of the symptoms he explained where similar to mine and also what do you recommend I should do to recover the pain is very debilitating and I’m barely managing my physio just gives me simple upper back strengthening exercises to do which have proven useless
How did you hurt yourself? This is from a fall on top of the shoulder.
One Only I was doing a lot of pressing exercises in the gym shoulder press bench press dips and all that and my clavicle started killing best way to describe it is like a little kid hanging from my collarbone and pulling it down constantly the sensation is heavy and it goes in to my chest I wish I’d never gone to the fucking gym
On top of this my grip strength is very weak now my hands use to be like rocks even when I was a kid I could squeeze someone’s hand so hard they’d be debilitated and fall to the ground now I can barely open a tin of beans I was naturally strong should never have gone gym I didn’t even need it it’s ruined my life
@@boogywoogy638
Sounds like a sternoclavicular joint problem. I would try to look into that.
One Only do you reckon I’ve fractured something got arthritis or moved the bone out of place it’s been two years and the pain is not budging it’s caused major tightness in my traps and given me huge lumpy muscle knots in my upper back area also If I turn my face to the side the pain radiates in to the sides of my head starting from my traps I have a lot of radiculopathy in my arms also my ulnar nerve seems to pop in and out of my elbow every-time I flex my forearm sorry for dragging on but I’m desperate
didn't realize John Mulaney was a physical therapist
Ha!
That’s how u fell
I have a point on my left side where it hurts.... anyone else have a point?
Why isn't his bone sticking up? Did he have a grade 1?
@@city__lights my bone is protruding. All over the place.
My bone sticks out 5 months after my injury
@@city__lights yeah it's permanent I heard which sucks. Unless you do surgery also just curious after 6 weeks are you able to do things such as play sports and lift again? Because if I can't lift anything with this Injury I'll be screwed.
@@city__lights that's good to know and I have a grade 2 with the bone pooping out it's not popping out crazy or anything just like a little bump. It's good to know you are doing good. At 2 months are you able to do things like shoot a basketball and lift close to what you were able to?
@@city__lights 2 months for me turns out myn was a grade 3 after testing again. I feel great though my strength is at about 95 percent my range of motion is 100 percent. The only problem I have is doing pull ups and butterfly exercises. I did the rehab to recover quickly. I'm happy I didn't choose the surgery route because at about 1 month I though it was never gonna heal because I still felt pain but I then let it rest for a week and felt amazing after. The clicking pretty much stopped it only clicks when I'm on my third set of bench press. It doesn't really hurt or anything though I guess it's just the joint overusing itself. Probably gonna get arthritis in my shoulder when I'm older. But they have shots for that anyways so we shouldn't be affected too much when were older.
is this like an ostheopatic treatment?
I'm sure there are a lot of similarities with certain osteopaths who still use hands-on manual therapy treatment
It’s called FDM look it up on line. Pretty cool stuff have had it done multiple times foe different pains in neck and shoulder solved the problem every time. Just separated my ac pretty back in a dirt bike accident and going to try some of this again.
You said yourself you are doing something which you aren't you.
BS. There is no way that a half assed massage like that can have a significant impact on an AC joint separation. Do you do faith healing too?
Nope. Just good ol' Manual Physical Therapy. Cheers
Two guys with little traffic selling each other hard on TH-cam. It doesn't get any "real'er" than this! ;)
Dude its a bone and joint injury it needs rest to recover....... Muscle injuries needs massage not for joints.... Its useless.... I'm suffering from type-ll AC joint injury
lol you serious? The tense musculature is the body's way to protect the joint from further damage by compensating, but relieving the muscle tension promotes blood flow for better recovery.
I agree with the bottom comment! Healing area around injured seed will definitely lead to a quicker recovery! Grade-2 sprain in my ac joint as well. But you are also correct, time is the main complement here!
Extremely Difficult, if not impossible, to severely injure the "bone and joint" without injuring and affecting the surrounding soft tissue. I'm sorry to hear about your injury.