Sadly the Mages recomendations could be better. For example, conjuring, I don't know, some Scamps or esqueletons, asking you a potion that only you can do if you have more than 25 at alchemy.... I don't know, something to show that you have some expierence doing magic. If you can do all the magic quest without magic, well, they're a poblem.
Oblivion had a hand to hand skill. It's extremely satisfying boxing your way through hell and back and actually getting rewarded for it. Also if you got to a 50 in that skill you could punch ghosts
Punching a fucking ghost. A being of supernatural origin, that cannot be affected by any normal means. Punching. A. Ghost. With. Your. Hands. It's so fucking badass. I wish we could also use our feet/legs for awesome kick ass fighting moves
Even though it's really awkward and cringey, I absolutely love the voice acting and NPC AI in Oblivion. You could hear that the voice actors of Oblivion were really into it, they put their hearts into it and had fun with it. Even though it's derpy, and there's some sort of mental and physical affliction that has taken hold of every NPC, it's hilarious and it somehow added to the charm of Oblivion. Skyrim doesn't have that.
Skyrim's voice acting is so wooden and stilted, yeah. So many voice types have almost no emotion to their lines at all, it's like listening to robots talking to each other.
I could feel the anger in lucien lechances voice when he yells at the player in oblivion. I havent had a single moment in skyrim where I thought a character was so raging mad that he was gonna jump out of the screen and murder me
The Great Collapse happened about 80yrs before the game starts. Are you telling me that nobody gave a shit at rebuilding it after all that time? Why can't the Mage Guild just conjure some hammers and fix their damn bridge already.
My biggest reason for liking oblivion better than Skyrim is enemy variety. One can only fight so many draugrs, dragons, bandits, and falmer before getting bored. The world of cyrodil felt so much more mythical and magical with all its creatures and beasts. Not to mention the first time I ran into a Minotaur I almost shat myself.
@Mr diddle i am really glad that I'm not the only one that started playing oblivion during this quarantine. This is the first time, and yes, I almost die of fear when I saw my first minotaur.
very true but the dungeon crawling is awful in oblivion its just a series of copy pasted rooms and the ayleid ruins are boring. I think skyrim really shines in the dungeon department and peaked with the dragonborn dlc
Dark Brotherhood, sure in Oblivion it was far better. The Thieves Guild are both decent, so that's a tie. The Mages Guild quest in Oblivion is nothing but fetch this, collect that, and all quests can be done by sneak and persuasion. Not much magic involved really, except creating a staff. Skyrim's Mage quest was better, because at least two instances involve the requirement of magic, and there was more than just kill this and fetch that. Overall, Oblivion guild quests were a bit better, but it's nothing to rave on about. Oblivion main quest was trash. The Oblivion Realm dungeons were the worst thing about that game ever, period
@@Warp2567 What ? The Thieves Guild in skyrim is a discount Fighters guild. The Last Quest "The Ultimate Heist" was Legendary. Skyrims "Mage" Guild sucked ass, show me you can cast firebolt! OHHHH LORD AN SAVIOR pls become arch mage. Literally after your first magic lesson EVER you are send to a dangerous ruin and find one of the most power full artifacts in existence. Let the Dungeons and Oblivion Reals be bad ok thats alright along as the quest in there are amusing, unlike skyrims. Every Guild in Skyrim is the Same Go there kill that fetch this and BOOM Guild Leader!
I feel like for how vast the game is, a reduction of story was necessary Apparently there were a tone of cut content to allow the player the freedom to do events in any order
The thieves guild was WAY better in Oblivion. I love that you go to Armand Christophe and say "jobs" expecting to be given a quest, and he sarcastically taunts you for it. "Jobs? What do you mean *jobs?* You're a thief! Look. You find a likely place, wait til night, sneak in and case the joint. Get it? Go!"
@@sinnithael7707 You do know that ruins you were sent to, after the first Magic Lesson in Skyrim, was to learn about the history of magic, right? Seems fitting after a first lesson of magic, is it not?? It just so happens your character discovered one of the most powerful artifacts ever, which your character CAN'T EVEN USE, so what's the problem with that story? Seems to me you haven't played alot of Skyrim at all. Probably just watched people play it on youtube, then formed your own biased opinion because of your nostalgia and blind love of Oblivion. Lol that Ultimate Heist quest from thieves guild was the longest, most drawn out quest. It became extremely redundant. Nothing to rave about
I love how dedicated Oblivion was to building large, creative environments. Such as the planes of Oblivion, and the Shivering Isles. When you were transported to those places, it helped add so much depth and interest to the entire game. The Shivering Isles specifically is also one of my favorite places to explore and experience in game. The color scheme, the array of different plants and creatures, it's twisted nature. Every person has a different personality. And spending time with Sheogorath and becoming his champion was just badass entirely. Who doesn't want to become a mad Daedric prince's champion? Oblivion also had a stronger feeling of saving the world and being the hero, compared to Skyrim. Yeah dragons are scary, but compared to the recesses of Hell opening up that are full of mutilated corpses, blood, lava, torture devices and terrifying enemies, dragons are nothing. I also love how the sky turns red when close to an Oblivion gate. It's such a small but thoughtful detail that always scared the shit out of me, especially when stumbling upon a gate in the middle of no where.
Just getting to the Sigil Keep in Oblivion gives players at least 20 situations were they could die, since the Realms are filled with traps and strong enemies. In Skyrim, you can kill a dragon the first time they land with the right equipment, making them a minor threat at times
I liked how in oblivion the npcs would be realistic and respect u if u were the champion of cyrodyill but in Skyrim as the dragonborn they treat u like dirt
I miss the Imperial guards will chase you as if you were Sarah Connor. One guard chased me from the western part of Oblivion the eastern part killing bears and bandits along the way.
Adamus Phillida is one of the best missions. I love walking into the guard barracks frenzying everyone and then running out and hearing the ping, "Adamus Phillida has died" to friendly guard fire tantrum spirals. Then every single guard in Leyawijn goes berserk and you have to flee the city.. until it breaks and you can waltz right into the guard barracks again, no bounty whatsoever.
Dragonborn: *Becomes the hero of the Unnamed Faction (edit), Saves the world from vampires, Saves the world from Alduin, the WORLD EATER* Vilkas: I've never even heard of this outsider. (edit): There, now stop being mad.
@@MarcoBMark-rt6ke no, unlike in skyrim they actually do. in oblivion you can walk pass guard and they'll go "The hero of Kvatch. This is truly an honor"
@@swetaros plus if you complete the questline you get a statue made into your honor. If you become the divine crusader they will even address that. If you become champ of the Arena people will comment about your fight with the gray prince. In skyrim I can do anything, ANYTHING!!! and people still treat me like I started the game
I miss being able to use magic while being able to use a sword and shield. Playing a paladin type character really sucked in skyrim because you had to keep switching between magic/shield. It really take me out of combat
I imagine they did that to give the Shouts their own dedicated button. Hopefully they will go back to the old system, since the Shouts will most likely be gone in The Elder Scrolls VI.
Also Skyrim´s magic got cucked super hard imho. In higher levels you start to notice that all the +dmg enchantments are for bows and melee weapons... there is nothing like that for magic except the reduced mana cost bullshit. I really hated going around and spamming fucking nuclear explosines like crazy, because they were barely doing anything anymore.
Some of them are petty. I think anyone that says combat in Oblivion is better than Skyrim is delusional. I'm not saying Skyrim's combat is good, ES isn't really good at making good combat. But Oblivion's combat is way worse than Skyrim's. It feels clunky, the character swings too fast, everything takes ages to kill, the only reaction they give to being hit is "bwaaaargh" whereas in Skyrim they actually stumble back a bit (about the "not being able to attack after being attacked" part in Oblivion, I agree, Oblivion did that better than Skyrim), drawing a bow has the flection feeling in Skyrim while in Oblivion it's like there is no flection, you're just pulling back the arrow in the air, and finally, killcams are great. Even after seeing the same animation many times, they're still fun to see. It gives different camera angles, and it's satisfying. Don't tell me you don't like slashing at a Forsworn's knees and decapitating them while they're on their knees with dramatic camera angles for the 100th time. I won't believe it. And adding danger to spellmaking wouldn't solve the problem of spellmaking. Todd said it's too "spreadsheety", it means that the system requires too much textbook knowledge. Yes, it's basically dumbing down the game in one more way (Skyrim's really obsessed with dumbing things down, I can see that because I'm not wearing any goggles that have nostalgia written on them.) But I bet many people had to read many guides just to get a grasp on how spellmaking works in previous games. Whether that's fun or not is up to the player I guess. Other than that, all the other complaints are perfectly valid.
@@masterblaster2678 I see your point, and yeah ES doesn't have good combat, skyrim's is a bit more hype but at the end of the day its pretty much just swing until the enemy dies and block when the power attack comes. The main thing is the story and progression of the character, and what you can do with it, like oblivion gives you the acrobatics tree and you can use that to find a clever way around dungeons and stuff, whereas skyrim feels a bit too streamlined. And I like the spell making but yeah it is a bit spreadsheety. I will fully admit I do have the nostalgia goggles on, but I liked the cross of classic morrowind CRPG style and streamlined modern day RPG oblivion does. But I do see your points. :)
@Master Blaster ive only just gotten into oblivion, i simply prefer the combat. i just finished skyrim earlier, too. i dont know what it is about skyrim combat, i feel like the lack of movement made spell casting boring, i preferred to dart around the room chucking fireballs at the enemy, with skyrim it just feels too formulaic; i get my fireball spell, use it a few times until the enemy gets too close, if they die before they get to me, lovely, if they dont, i swing at them with a mace. i will agree that oblivion combat *felt* more uneventful to play, but skyrim was just 2 tanks duking it out from what i played. max oblivion difficulty is more fun because i can work out the most optimal way to move around the room to prevent the miniboss hitting me. with skyrim you just have to play slightly more defensive and have better gear/more potions edit: didn’t articulate myself well enough skyrim combat: very formulaic, very character level based. legendary difficulty simply required more defensive play style and better gear. i did like the legend of zelda feel where you get stronger and ace a boss once they kill you already oblivion: more wacky tools at your disposal, but less eventful combat. i liked how the combat wasn’t as power based, instead you had to utilise all the wacky tools at your disposal. extreme difficulties were are more skill based and generally more fun to play because of this
@@siimad2988 I agree tbh, oblivion feels more replayable because I feel like you can make more in depth, almost D&D style characters, each run being different, whereas skyrim I feel that level of deep experimentation was lost. Obviously Oblivion's experimentation pales in comparison to Morrowind's class system, but this is oblivion vs skyrim we're talking about here.
Doesn't hold a candle to the Morrowind struggle of the Morag Tong vs the Dark Brotherhood (and the honor of the Morag Tong not being confused with the Camonna Tong)
@@juslenjeyatharan1004 Morrowind quests are pretty poor by today's standards mechanically. The writing and lore is what makes Morrowind great but the mechanics have aged horribly.
The lack of spellmaking is still my main gripe with Skyrim. It's an essential part of being a mage. Most of mages' time is spent on research and study. Well what are they researching and studying? The answer is... magical sources, magical properties, magical interactions, magical devices, and SPELLS.
The lack of underwater spell casting bugs me just as much. Water-breathing would have been way more useful if the player could cast it underwater. All of the self affecting spells should have been cast-able underwater.
1:45 As someone who was introduced to the Elder Scrolls via Skyrim, I SO FELT BETRAYED about city size. I thought playing Oblivion would be a step back, but I was pleasantly surprised at how amazing it felt as a world compared to Skyrim. I sincerely hope ES6 doesn't F that up. Also on the note of combat. Oblivion visually feels like I'm swinging a twig, but gameplay wise, it feels impactful Skyrim visually feels impactful, but gameplay wise I'm swinging a twig (and in turn, being hit by them too)
Oblivion: now that you’re famous and well liked enough, we will allow you to ride this unicorn. Everyone loves you and is in awe of you. Skyrim: *Leads the companions*, Guard: “Have you thought of joining the companions?”
i take no joy in saying this but, the devs where clearly cutting out features that should have stayed in to make the game simpler and therefore more casual friendly, now i would just say, if you dont want to make spells for yourself, then just dont use that feature, or, include the ability to upload created spells online giving all players acces to any spells created by the comunity if they have the stats to use them... now im not a game dev, but if i came up with a solution to suit both casual and hard core players this fast... what the hell was their excuse, becuase ether they where careless, or they where lazy, and nether one is good... im afriad of what they may do to gut the already shallow gameplay of skyrim for the 6th game... they clearly have stopped careing with how they handled fallout 76.
While dialog and reputation were pretty clunky in Oblivion, I have to say, at least you felt like what you were doing mattered to people. They would smile when you greeted them, or not (depending), they changed their tone, their phrasing, even what they called you because of what you had done in the world, whether in the broad scale or on the personal scale. That...is an important part of feeling like what you're doing makes a difference, and it is a shame they didn't hook into that with Skyrim.
I agree completely. Oblivion and earlier games actually used mechanics to determine these things (such as numeric disposition, fame, bounty, NPC stats) whereas Skyrim used a much more linear procedural disposition system. NPCs felt inconsistent and only had a tiny handful of lines they'd ever say to you, most of which being completely unaffected by outside variables.
And hearing the npcs talk to each other while walking arround... Sometimes getting quests from it, sometimes hearing them talk about your deeds... Made it such a better system! In skyrim charavters talk to esch other only once and then its over... They just walk arround and do not make eye contact...
Even though Oblivion exchanges like that were often really goofy, it still made it feel more lively. I get that Skyrim is supposed to be more dour as a province, but you're absolutely right, gingercore. Dour does not equate with asocial, because neighbors are still neighbors.
dasjugsboi Give me one example of generic NPCs giving more lines in Oblivion than those in Skyrim. The disposition system was ditched because there wasn't a good use for it other than getting info from an NPC for another fetch quest.
gingercore69 That is because NPCs in Oblivion have such awkward conversations and it was immersion breaking. I feel like a lot of you are blinded by nostalgia. "Hi have you heard about the ____?" "Yes.... Good day." I've just finished Oblivion 2 days ago and I can definitely say Skyrim is an upgrade though a bit too easy. Plus, haven't you seen those Oblivion NPC dialog memes floating around? I'm glad Bethesda got rid of it.
speaking of design the wolf in skyrim looks pretty shit. its like taking a wolf, starving it, painting it dark grey and literaly throwing it into water and abandon it on a forest drenched in water. tthe wolf's design in oblivion is mountaiins better than skyrim's.
Never played that expansion but damn I remember being disappointed by the size of cities in skyrim. As someone who was amazed by the layout of imperial city when I played it when I was young:I was fully expecting way bigger(or at least the size of) that city. I had my hope's up for each new city I visited in skyrim: "Solitude is the capital of Skyrim, surely this must be a huge city!" Despite it being a cool design, underwhelming city size.
I remember when nazeem said "have you been to the cloud district?" And thinking w "Wow I cant wait to go there, a whole unexplored part of whiterun!" And then found out I walked through the whole thing in about 6 seconds.
@@savethebees275 Solitude felt really empty and somber. Fitting for it's name. I agree though, rest of the cities should've gotten better treatment. Whiterun is like, not even a third of a city in Oblivion. If you want big cities, play Daggerfall. You'll get lost in no time.
@@jacrispy3275 no you wont. Youll buy the same crap just like everyone else. Bethesda has been fucking consumers over since oblivion. Constant bullshit cash grab games, skyrim being re released 8 years in a row.. not letting dev's of new vegas create a new, actually good fallout. Etc. Etc. How could you be okay with that?
All the cities in Oblivion actually _feel_ like cities. They all have huge walls, guide chapters, multiple stores, and tons of houses, not to mention a castle for the Duke. Most cities in Skyrim lack a big wall for protection, barely have any houses (outside of Solitude), and some even lack basic stores. Some can hardly even be called a town, like Winterhold for example. The cities in Skyrim feel more like outposts to a city, not a city themselves. Oblivion also had decisions that could actually effect you in a negative way. If you do the Pilgrimage quest line and get all of the Crusader’s Relics, and then murder someone in cold blood, you lose those relics and have to re-earn them. You also can get demoted in guilds in oblivion if you break the rules. Everything holds weight.
Ya'll forgetting something. PLOT AND LORE Oblivion takes place 200 years before skyrim And that 200 years. ALOT has happened on SKYRIM. The great collapse The great war The Rebellion. I wouldn't be surprised if the Towns On Skyrim became like winterhold... Literally everyone is having a hard life be It The Noble. Commoner. Jarl. Assasins. Thieves. Bandits. Mage. Almost everyone. It'd be not like that if not for mehrunes dagon. That Big red dude Lose. But he somehow still won Because he bring changes To Tamriel. (He's god of destruction and Change?) Aside from that Solitude Windhelm Whiterun Riftena Are the only true cities I admired in skyrim... Ya'll should Read the lore of Elder scrolls not just fapping yer' mouth🤦🤦 In the old days Riften Is Ten times bigger than solitude. But thats Veryyyy long ago. The riften in skyrim today is sh*t. And the thieves guild no longer have the "underground city" Because TIME and PLOT. Oblivion city is great because it's in the center Of one of the most succesfull businesses in Tamriel The cyrodiil..
@@iSeeCorpses you do realize the writers/producers mold the lore to fit the game and vice versa. None of what you said excuses Skyrim’s cities being pitifully small, they simply could have wrote the lore differently or made it take place in a different era in Skyrim.
@@TheRealAbraxas then it May Not be interesting as it is. The Era on skyrim is great because we get to see what being a dragonborn is like. And also what Happened to the past main character(Kvatch, Nerevarine)
Yes. If they wanted that to change, then adding restrictions like, "oh you this spell required it to be channeled through a fire enchanted sword." Or "This specific spell can only be cast using a mace." Which honestly wouldn't make sense for a regular mage it would be a cool option for a battle mage. What about casting unique spells through mixing the use of shouts? You know, learn a little bit under the greybeards and add this knowledge to the College and see those nerds light up at the possibility. You could make a whole quest about it.
TheSpliceer Oh I fucking hate how Skyrim conjured them into one slot. Oblivion already annoyingly got rid of the layered armor system. Skyrim opts to make it worse instead of improving it.
The dark Brotherhood quest were waaay better in Oblivion imo. It was darker and longer. And the ways to kill someone, especially on this "party quest in Skingrad".
I started Oblivion for the first time ever last year after playing Skyrim pretty much since release. I liked the Dark Brotherhood in Skyrim so I decided to join it in Oblivion. I was surprised when I heard the orc talking about how he killed a Nord girl at her 5th or 6th birthday. I knew the Dark Brotherhood was bad but they were never shown as being just straight evil in Skyrim because a lot of their victims were wronged by whoever made the contract.
Morrowind in the bloodmoon dlc had werewolves running around in solstheim i think but in skyrim u only see them in cages and that one guy for the hercine quest wat happened to the werewolves and u cant even become a werebear when u go to solstheim in the skyrim dragonborn dlc
When i played oblivion my character was a khajiit with 100 acrobats and would jump out of the city walls and float past the edge of the map and fall down to the bottom of the whole map
That's not possible there's collision at the end of the map even with no collision command u still couldn't do that. That part of the map technically doesn't exist unless u are in a city......
Oblivion quests: Hes trapped in his dream, use this amulet to join his dream and safe him! He drew a picture that created a new world, enter the picture! Buy a haunted house, open a mysterious gate in the cellar and get trapped in it with a freakin op mage, so you will wet yourself! Skyrim Quests: Go to that dungeon and get an IRON SWORD cause its a VERY IMPORTANT family heirloom. Kill an entire dungeon with bandits in it. Enter the mind of pelagius and cure his madness...well....guess thats ok...
Oblivion has many great quests, not all of them are executed very well but the ideas are fantastic. For example the sheogorath shrine quest is amazing in Oblivion. You basically have to convince a small village living in harmony and prosperity into thining the world is going to end by a prophecy based on very old lore. It's a hilarious but super evil quest that almost makes you feel bad, in any case it's a great quest and there are many like those in Oblivion, especially the shrine quests.
When counting “cities” oblivion also has many many towns, some with dozens of homes and a couple quests. That are unmarked on the map and beed to be “found”
Also in skyrim no one cared if you were the DragonBorn,people treated you like trash.in oblivion if you were the champion or the hero of kvatch people honored you and treated you like gold,at least that's what I remembered
Too bad if you liberated all the cities from oblivion gates in the optional quest, you will only be known as the hero of kvatch. Also, check my screenshot below, they said bruma is going to be obliterated... Meanwhile in skingrad: imgur.com/IeguElF
Not to mention how the dialogue wont even change if you become the leader of the companions, or become the archmage. Guards will still acknowledge you as the "new member of the companions"
I love people who claim to be realism junkies but then ask for passionate dialogue for characters. Yes, the farmers is eccentric to tell a random traveler about his potato crop.
This is why most of the meme videos are in Oblivion and lower, instead of in Skyim, it just doesnt feel the same there, the only funny part were the guards.
I loved having to raise their disposition instead of saying, "I prefer Battle-Born" and then the guy says I have been a good friend to him when I literally just met him.
thank you! I never liked how you had to "equip" spells in Skyrim. Sure it looked more cinematic, but I don't like pausing to rearrange what's in my hands to switch from weapons to magic. I had at least wished that whatever weapons you had in your inventory in Skyrim, or most recently used weapons, would be on your character (back, sides etc) while they cast spells.
@A Random Dude dude why do you hate Oblivon so much? The dual cast system made it impossible to play a hybrid class, and that's pretty bad considering a mage class in skyrim is complete shit. That is until you reach magika cost zero and then it breaks the game.
@A Random Dude that is not true, and you know nothing about how I play. Technically yes its possible, but it just sucks so hard. Its not an opinion, it just sucks. It takes a dedicated build to do, and then it fares much worse than an equal build on fighting or stealth. Then at the very end its insanely overpowered just from enchantments, and doesn't take any other sort of build to excel with.
The real reason Oblivion is a better fantasy than Skyrim: BETTER QUESTS. Have you tried Oblivion's Dark Brotherhood and Thieves guild? They blow Skyrim out of the water. The atmosphere and the stories are so much darker and deeper. It's almost like Bethesda watered them down in Skyrim to appeal to young ages. Maximum profit.
“Better quests”, not really, playing Oblivion was like having a fever dream, it was too hilarious to be taken seriously, the whole game is a massive disaster
ZiNG Whats wrong about wanting maximum profit? Skyrim is a masterpeace, still played by thousands every day, more than 7 years after release. Even if its "watered down" for "bäääd bäääd maximum profit" its nothing to complain about.
In general, Oblivion feels like you need to be smarter. Skyrim, true to being a game in the Nordlands, feels more like a game about being a meat tank. Magic is there, but it feels less... important Also, no choice of sign or class. I get that it was complete in Oblivion, and that it was easy to make a “bad” character, but I like having that much control over the character I make.
whenever i level up in oblivion i just use console commands to get the same +5 to attributes i'd get if i min maxed, specifically so i can do whatever i want and don't have to min max
@Velociocraptor that's probably for the best giving the perk system my problem is the amount of spell effects missing like absorb or drain. Magic in skyrim lookes cool but lacks flexibility.
@toaritok Thats very incorrect. The difference between using a sword, an axe or a mace is MUCH bigger than using it one or two handed. There are things like egde alignment, momentum, parrying and reach that each are different and must be accounted for. The only read difference between one and two handed is leveraging your second hand.
@toaritok probanly not. If one trained the art of sword and became a master with it, he would not be as good with an axe because it requires only one hand. If you were skilled with a longsword it doesnt mean you are good with a bow because it is two handed :/
@@gptechnologiesmangalore6909 it was a joke, the only horse you really need is shadowmere and it's invincible. Horse armor pack was one of the first oblivion addons and is more of a meme now, The xbox reviews are just people making jokes about it
I hated how skyrim's night Eye worked when compared to Oblivion's night Eye. I just liked the calm, mellowing blue shade your entire screen became, and it was sort of relaxing and made you feel like it was still dark even though you could see in the dark. In skyrim, it was just a harsh, bright whitish-blue that lit up the screen like a flashlight to the face. I'd either just use a torch or turn my brightness all the way up to purposely avoid using Skyrim nighteye
In Skyrim >kill someone in the forest with no witness >still get a bounty In Oblivion >kill someone in the forest with no witness >NPC suspects but won't arrest you
One thing i really liked was the racism in oblivion. Sounds odd but i made a few characters and did the same starting quests etc so i got to know a few of the npcs. Thats when i noticed that even with identical stats, i could walk into a shop and suddenly the shopkeep is scowling at me with only a 16/100 approval for being a redguard, where as it was 56/100 if i was a breton
Mods are cheats, STOP! But yeah, I have to agree with you. I remember trying to play as an orc in Oblivion and my speech was pure garbage. NPCs outright hated me and once for the Anvil sirens' quest, I was automatically being attacked by the female thugs when I didn't do anything. Amazing.
Dude, shopkeepers hate you when ur a redgaurd in real life. Always watching u to see if u slipped those chips under your hoodie. Just go to Brooklyn. That's what i call immersive
@@TheNeXusCore9032 Some mods are cheats. The overwhelming majority of them are not, and the modded content is vastly better in terms of production quality than anything in the base game. There's a reason Bethesda makes the games so easily moddable and releases all the tools for people to mod. Hell, there are mods that fix more bugs than every official patch combined does.
@@ericdunford2444 is it, now? I know very little about lockpicking but i know for a fact it's more similar to the one in oblivion, just that you can't actually see the pins
The Arena was a great questline in Oblivion, but did you know there was going to be an Arena in every single city? Yes every city was going to have its own arena and its own quest. That would have been legendary.
LuckyZevanns 88 variety of gameplay was lost in skyrim. I made an account based around two-handed sword use and it felt like they had no place in the game. There isn't stun, every weapon in the game can just continuously power attack making it seem like they aren't even much better. You can't use magic at the same time as a two hander but you can duel weild staves in this game. It feels like they forgot about this class and added it solely because it existed in the prior games
They need more elaborate dark brotherhood quests like fr. They were so boring except for the last one. I miss the one in oblivion where you assassinated 4 people in a house while trying to to be figured out as a killer.
Bro, I had so much fun on that quest Oblivion had a bunch of awesome quest, especially the Daedric quest where you'd get Daedric artifacts after you finished
But because Oblivion is a buggy piece of shit the quest can easily be broken. So long as you kill the target in one hit no one will figure out who did it, even if the person was kill in front of everyone else.
+OmegaWafflesHax ok, no, something THAT fucking broken shouldn't get the "it adds to the charm" excuse. Getting shit whipped 100ft in the air by a giant? That's funny, and doesn't really break anything. Being able to cheese a quest without even trying? That's just stupid.
i cant stand the college questline in skyrim. It barely relies on magic. and the only magic you have to use is the spell to get in and basic flames or frost spells. Everything else just relies on combat. It was also too short and too easy. The mages guild questline was long and hard and it made you work your eay through it using magic and actually becoming a mage
I loved the Mages Guild in bother Morrowind and Oblivion. Agreed that it was quite challenging and long ( likes the noble Dunmer houses too, those were fun...Crassius Curio FTW)
I mean it kinda makes sense only because it's Skyrim and they have to hit kinda low with everyone hating magic there and the fact that they're in a rough spot as well, but really it should have been more rough to be able to climb the ranks so easily.
@Cannot censor Lucifer That is the dumbest argument for anything I have ever seen. If it was trash, why did they have it in the first place? Why didn't they just "get rid of it" in development?
@Cannot censor Lucifer So it was a stupid idea to make the system, but it wasn't a stupid idea to get rid of it? Dude, the only logic you are using right now is "I think it's bad so obviously it's bad."
@Cannot censor Lucifer You clearly know nothing about couriers, also information disseminated before the internet came along, how do you think ideas and news spread back in the medieval era?
@Cannot censor Lucifer Don't care, this is a fantasy setting anywasy so it actually doesn't matter. You join a guild a make a name for yourself, that is reputation and it's a great idea.
I miss the Mage's Guild questline from Oblivion whenever I play Skyrim and decide to be a mage. When I was trying to join the guild in oblivion, I actually felt like I was learning things and improving. Plus you had to go to every city first before you could enter the university. It just made you feel more involved with the game, like you actually had to work for something. The college of winterhold is a sad excuse for any guild type and the main questline was lame on top of the damn librarian fetch quests. You were made to feel like a worker bee, even once you reached the top. The one thing I give skyrim credit for with magic is the price of spells. Oblivion was a bit outrageously priced for the higher end spells.
I remember thinking the dungeons in Skyrim were way more of a slog, especially the dwarfen ruins and draugr dungeons. God, some of them went on forever, and there was that much to loot. I spent more time deciding what to keep and what to leave.
Got a long list, but here I go. Hopefully some of you guys agree. I love the feeling of being just no one special with your own backstory, no insane prophecy involved or god-like powers or anything like that. You start as a felon, then you're the Hero of Kvatch, then you're a Blade, then you're the Savior of Bruma, and finally become the Champion of Cyrodiil. You earned your title by whatever means. Not only that, but I feel a lot more intimate with the characters because you don't have a select string of words you have to say, you can paraphrase "Anvil attack" any way you'd like. If you hate the church, you can imagine a snide remark, "Oh, did you hear about the Anvil attack? SUCH a TRAGEDY." Or if you had family in Anvil, you can ask desperately. Also, zooming in on the face rather than just looking at the npc's whole body made it feel a lot more personal. You can see the expressions they make, read their lips, etc. It felt like they were focusing their attention on you alone and really giving you the time of day. And if they disliked you, their potato-faced glare stared right through your soul. Speaking of, each character had their likes and dislikes. It could have gotten repetitive with the minigame, but it gave more depth to the characters and made me feel like I had a silver-tongue. Oh, the ugliest stinkiest most repulsive character loves being complimented? The countess actually likes it when you intimidate her? Tons of quests. Hefty main quest story. Emotional connection to the characters. I don't need to say more. The game felt like a struggle sometimes, but its okay because you were eventually able to overcome them based on what you invested in. In Skyrim its like if you don't like your decision of being a warrior, you can just turn into a mage at will (and anything is possible if you have the enchanting tree maxed out). And while that's alright and all, its not punishing enough. If you're a mage in Oblivion, you better not get smacked and you better build up ways to prevent dying using magic. If you spec into speed and light armor, you gotta be fast and avoid getting hit, but you can still sustain some damage, etc. Honestly I can go on and on and on, but I'll leave it there.
I do think RPGs should be a struggle. Feels more immersive to me at least. I loved the fact that you needed to pass skillchecks, Oblivion gave up on that already and was showing the way TES would go and went. I prefer RPGs that do such things and not just allow you to be everything and do anything. Skyrim is to much of a sandbox and not enough RPG. Many players say you can still roleplay in your head, but that's a sad excuse imo. But well if players prefer this than I have to accept that. I accepted it after Fo4. Bethesda won't do that anymore.
i found skyrim to be too easy so i tried to max out the difficulty, but it's impossible to sneak on legendary. even if your sneak skill is maxed all enemies will sense you and come right for you, which i found really annoying.
morrowind has the best magic, oblivion needs a magic power x2 but it's fun as hell, and daggerfall is just endless posibilities but no one understands how it works exactly… skyrim is the little brother who is eating glue
Yeah. You could create the spell and name them. I had a spell that would paralyze your enemy for several seconds and set them on fire at the same time. I called it “Campfire”
Imagine a fireball that paralyzes AND turns you invisible. Yeah. Oblivion magic is way better. Only thing Skyrim has it beat on is that you can dual wield spells.
@@zc6891 Skyrim has the exact same effect but not everything in 1 spell...I don't understand people who want to stay with old things that are obviously stupid. Do you rather want 1 spell with like 4 effects that are actually different schools each. Or more spells that you have to cast them with a plan. You guys just don't want to think and only use 1 spell to fuck everything. That's so broken and boring. A mage should have more skill and be more patient in his power. I love Skyrim, and I'm relieved that they removed this bullshit
My pipe dream is to play Morrowind on a new whizbang Windows 10 machine with all patches/mods to make it functional and modern at 1080p 1600x900. ZERO interest in any other ES games, sorry.
Oh you are one of those people who think Old games=Good, Your complain is just dumb Just because skyrim isnt as good as the Older game doesnt mean its not good, It is actually a "progression" Since the graphic is a lot better, Yeah its not as good as the quest for oblivion But it doesnt mean its bad, I never played morrowind before but I keep getting bored of trying to watch lets play of it not able to Watched it till the end. Trying to Write a good story is hard as fuck, i Remember when my teacher gave us a project to write a story And i remember how i cant think of something good to tell the story and just Finishing the project So i can just Pass.
@@aries6006 no, the real problem is how it being dumbed down so babies can play. Thats the problem the op is concerned, how the skills is going to be severely limited.
I loved how much variety there was in Oblivion, and how many secrets it had. I thought it was so cool when I became a vampire and had these crazy stat boosts, or when I found out that there were things called black soul gems that could be made only by following a really specific ritual. It just had so much depth to it.
Jamal Powell Well, I'm not a native speaker, so before I played Elder Scrolls, the only way I had heard of the word petty being used was for a "petty person" or a "petty insult".
I miss the guilds. They were such a good idea... And I do miss the skill system. Skyrim's is better for a first playthrough, but if you keep starting with new characters (like me), it gets tedious to keep leveling the skills you want. Customizable class... you're dearly missed.
Centorea 88 he means the first time you play the game itself, not as an introduction to the series. like skyrim is good the first time you play, but gets tedious after multiple playthroughs
I love Oblivion because of the dark brotherhood quest line. It was amazing then and still is the freedom and creativity used to accomplish the missions.
I first played Oblivion back when I was 14 years old. I would turn on the PC at 6PM and play the game non-stop until 6AM (only during weekends of course). The game was a blast, I did everything that was possible in the game. The Knights of the Nine DLC was just a blast, and that one where you travel to another dimension (forgot the name) was so fun and different from what I already had experienced in the game. The atmosphere of the world, the quests, the characters, the cultures, everything just was breathtaking to me, I immersed myself into that world and played for hours on end. I can't quite fully explain my love for the game, its just a special one in my heart. So when Skyrim was announced I was ecstatic. I longed for another game that could give me the same feeling as Oblivion, and when it released, after 25 hours playing, I felt disapointed. Maybe the nostalgia glasses blocked my vision, but Skyrim didn't felt as awesome as the predecessor. Oblivion gave me a unique feeling when playing the game no other game to this day managed to do. That is why I love it so much. But I haven't lost faith in Bethesda. I still hope that the next TES will give me the same feeling as Oblivion. Lets hope I'm not wrong.
Well said, same for me. In my opinion one of the biggest reasons is Color, everything in oblivion is happy and colourfull, whereas in Skyrim everything is gloomy and dark
I felt the same disappointment about Oblivion after having played Morrowind first. Then when Skyrim released I realized Oblivion was actually very good. I'm sorry but I have 0 confidence that ES6 will be any good, maybe it will turn Skyrim into a playable game. And ES7 might make ES6 look good lol. Sorry but these games get progressively worse. They lose RPG and customization elements every time and become more of a bog standard action game.
You can murder every guard and townsfolk to your heart's content but you must restrain yourself from using levitation, even if your life depended on it. The infringement of that regulation would just be going too far.
Petty? Nah, those are all great reasons. I just can't wrap my head around why they took out so much of the cool stuff that Oblivion and Morrowind did so well.
wait so now skyrim is a bad game? Resources put into a well done arena or spellcasting system are resources taken away from other aspects of the game. And judging by the games popularity they hit a pretty nice balance. That doesn't mean it is a perfect game but they obviously had a reason to remove it. It's not like they were at a company meeting and Todd's just like "Ok arena development team what your progress" and then they're like "we got board so we have just been making a text based adventure in python during work time" and then Todd's just like "Good idea I guess we're scrapping the arena then. Meeting dismissed"
There is actually an arena. You can visit the location only with the console but yes there is one... it isn't finished but we know they tried to make one. or planned on doing so
i like how in oblivion you could have a detect life helmet, it was cool to be able to always see people through walls without the need to cast a spell for it. i wish they had kept that enchantment.
I honestly hate weapon durability, I mean, having a sword that you’re in love with, that wrecks enemies, like they’re nothing, and then it breaking. It kills me inside.
@@charlesblagden7607 what you said makes no sense in real life, nor in the old school legit hardcore elder scrolls fans. Have your watered down game that mothers and little girls can pick and and play, but leave ours alone. Even the finest weapons in real life break down, chip, flake, fold, bow, bend, or completely snap. Its realism.
@@aceofjayss9885 re read both of the comments. I did not say that the game was real life you silly little shit bag. Go out you're 2 cents elsewhere you illiterate fuck.
God I loved this game, still the best open world fantasty RPG game I've ever played. So vast, interesting, depth, yet so simple. Graphics blew me away in 2006, far better than all other Elder Scrolls.
but here you could be talking about either morrowind or skyrim lol the former of which is the best in the series the latter of which is one of hte worst....
WarriorofLight that's the point dum dum it's the North. It's supposed to look depressing, if it was all sunshine and happiness!!! Then it would make no sense. Plus it wouldn't be lore friendly.
Helmets in oblivion are actually stylised paperbags. "I love you baby, but more when the lights are out." But oh dam the quests in oblivion make it worth every ugly head you see on the way.
@@DumDumHistory I don't know. For the Humans, yes Skyrim was an improvement. For the Mers, oh god.... WHY. Alt, Dun, & Bos Mer, look like Half-Dremoran monsters. Khajiit(Betmer) look like Malnourished Bobcats :(
It is really petty, but I miss the journal entries your character used to write when they levelled up, or on different stages of a quest. It somehow increased the sense of adventure, and also helped me to remember wtf I was doing when I was in the middle of a quest and got distracted by 10 others. It was a more immersive and realistic way of tracking quest progress, and made the player character seem more real and relatable.
The hand to hand skill is what I miss. When you became a vampire, you got a bonus to this skill to simulate you having claws as a vampire... You also got bonuses to enough other skills that you were able to make a custom vampire class...
And better characters, I never felt like my character belonged in the Dark Brotherhood in Skyrim, in Oblivion they welcomed you with open arms and it actually seemed like a close-knit family. I was so sad when they all died in Oblivion, in Skyrim it was a bit of a "meh" moment :/
Was anyone else disappointed with Oblivion's DB questline? I enjoyed the run and the assassinations were much more creative, but damn, Skyrim topped that ending by miles.
For all intents and purposes, Oblivion is a true RPG. Some mechanics may be clunky, but it was a proper RPG. Skyrim is a watered down action adventure. That shows in the following: 1. lack of a stat system. All you do is literally increase health, mana or stamina by 10 each level. This directly leads to 2. lack of specialization. In Oblivion, you had to specialize. Granted, that meant not every build was easy to pull off - but everything was possible, even Jack of all trades if you knew how. In Skyrim, you eventually become godlike in everything and can level nearly infinitely. 3. lack of engaging questlines. Skyrim may have a few, but that's really it. It's just a few compared to Oblivion. 4. lack of world interactions. The world doesn't seem to change when you do impactful things. You nailed it with the arena, what impact it has on the world when you reach all the way to the top and you know there's more ways in which the world reacts to you and what is actually happening in the world. Skyrim has close to none of that. No racism when you play a specific race (why the hell is Ulfrik's new champion a Dark Elf... or an Argonian), no real changes in the world at large other than dragons spawning... 5. races are arbitrary. This partially comes from the lack of racism towards the player character, but also from gameplay. Since you become godlike in every skill anyway, it doesn't matter what skills start out higher thanks to your racial bonus. Racial powers become obsolete fast, no real racial stat differences or other differences. Even not much of a height difference anymore. That being said... player customization in Skyrim is horrible compared to Oblivion. 6. unmodded magic is downright terrible. Subpar performance compared to fighter combat styles, lack of alternate playstyles. This boils down to both how magic works AND how you have about only 50% of the Oblivion spell effects available. 7. Enchanting is broken. Enough said. Okay, to actually expand on that, enchanting is extremely easily accessible, you only take a handful of perks because most are useless, it's much easier to enchant than in Oblivion AND you don't even have to work for it at all. Enchanting in Skyrim makes it so you walk around in fully enchanted gear basically all the time. Finding magic items is no longer special in the slightest, meaning the loot system is really only there for finding stuff to sell or more enchant effects to disassemble on the enchanting table. When you put all these reasons together (which are SERIOUS complaints, not "petty" reasons) and you can see how Skyrim is not an RPG which makes it inherently worse and simply not what the series is supposed to be.
The racial abilities in Oblivion were pretty much always useful. I remember there were parts of dungeons that were underwater (The giant slaughterfish lair stands out to me in particular) so being an Argonian would save you from having to buy or make a water breathing potion or spell. Argonians can still breathe underwater in Skyrim but unless you fancy diving into the mostly featureless Sea of Ghosts, there's just no point. All of the other bodies of water are relatively shallow. Another thing I liked about Oblivion is that even in the beginning shops sell very expensive enchanted stuff that you can save up for, but in Skyrim pretty much everything is easily affordable.
I would definitely consider Oblivion to be a much closer thing to an RPG than Skyrim, but calling Oblivion a true RPG would be unfair to games that allow for profound choices and where your character's skills alter the gameplay more etc.
@@gnuling296 There are no true RPG games. No RPG can emulate the feeling of a tabletop campaign played with actual human beings. No RPG can emulate the amount of choice you have and which effects your actions have on your world and the whole adventure. No one has been able to properly replicate what true roleplaying is like in a video game. Not one game is a true RPG game. That being said, I agree that there are other games that do a much better job at being an RPG than Oblivion. TES is mostly a game in which I have fun and dabble around - and arguably, Skyrim is better for that because it has a lot more freedom and weird builds are easier to pull off. Add to that the fact I don't really care about the Elder Scrolls lore which basically just teaches you to be a dumb but happy citizen embracing religion as truth and you can see why that is all I do in these games. BUT, the point of the video was a direct comparison of Oblivion and Skyrim, so that was what my original comment was all about.
@@thecreator625 I don't really know how I should respond to your first paragraph, since it's not in line with your OP. It's always relative, it's true that no programmed game can offer as many choices as a game that doesn't depend on programming. I would be interested to know why you think that Skyrim offers more freedom. I have rarely felt so stripped of freedom as in this game. That's because of the quest design, writing, NPCs, dialogue, guilds. There are games that don't require this kind of freedom (like a platformer) but an open-world "RPG" does and Skyrim failed miserably at that. There were so many irritating, immersion breaking aspects. I didn't make the most elaborate character but even then there were instances when there was no way for him to do a quest: like, "to progress, you need to let me enslave your soul for all eternity."
@@gnuling296 My first paragraph is a fallacy. Just like true balance cannot exist in a game (even in chess, white has 51% win rate), neither can a computer be used to construct a true RPG as we'd need to have an AI capable of fully emulating human behaviour. No, I never said Skyrim offers more freedom overall. Aside from some quests having alternate ways of being solved (such as using pickpocket to show Camilla that both guys who woo her are total assholes), there is little freedom in the quest lines. I'm well aware of that and it's definitely one thing Oblivion did better in comparison. I was talking about character builds specifically. Skyrim's lack of a class system allows for a lot of builds to work that would have struggled in Oblivion. That's partially because Skyrim is watered down compared to Oblivion (lack of a stat system means no worrying about how many stats your build needs). One example for my point would be a conjuration-based swordsman. In Skyrim, you don't carry any gear, just robes and stuff. You use alteration for mage armour, then conjure two swords, one for each hand. Then you can dive into melee. Needs a bit of a boost to your mana pool, but that's it. It's that easy to get started on that build in Skyrim. In vanilla Skyrim, this build is actually STRONGER in the early game than a standard fighter who relies on physical weapons, but gets eclipsed late game by a fighter with high tier tempered and enchanted gear. In Oblivion, you would need decent strength, fortitude, intelligence and willpower. You'd need all four of them on higher levels and not everything will be raised when you level up. Mana cost is a huge issue. And then you'd have a long wait time before you can go ahead and dive into another fight because of said mana costs. And then... normal weapons are not only easier to pull off, but more efficient, too. Unlike in Skyrim, you don't have a niche to fill when you play a conjuration-based swordsman in the same way as you would be able to in Skyrim. THAT is what I meant. There's a lot of examples out there for builds that work in Skyrim but don't work in Oblivion. So if weird but somehow still sensible builds are your cup of tea, Skyrim makes it a lot easier for you to do that than Oblivion does.
my reason was the removal of the radiant ai. my favorite part of oblivion is the random awkward NPC dialog and you never know what to expect. i would even stop what i was doing if i heard conversation just to hear it out to see if it would be funny or not. thou in terms of character building i like morrowind the best because the entire time you are bassically an outsider who no one trusts and you have to earn the respect of everyone every step of the way and the final result of that at the end when you are finally recognized as the Neravarine was so satisfying. In skyrim this happens in about 5 minutes
yesssss bring back stupid radiant ai (I'm not even sarcastic) .You hear the same conversation in skyrim over and over again while what you said was true. I would stop my journey when I would hear npcs talking and it was really interesting and sometimes funny to hear what they would have to say and it was always something new.
I honestly thought the color pallet in oblivion was too high fantasy. It's the only one in the whole series that is like that. And the visual themes are very Tolkienian and generic. Sure some people might prefer that but it still feels very uninspired to me especially when the games preceding and proceeding it (Morrowind and Skyrim) had very distinct and unique styles. Like if you showed me the concept art for a ship in Skyrim I could tell you it was for Skyrim but if you showed me the ship concept art for Oblivion it could very much be from any number of fantasy properties.
Cody Bury Good point. I personally think that’s the biggest thing that doesn’t appeal to me about the entire Elder Scrolls series. I prefer the art style from many other games.
Thrifty Nothing wrong with that. I personally don't pay too much attention to the art style beyond the first couple of hours as long as it fits, like even in oblivion even though I think it is a bit generic fits well enough with the world Bethesda made in oblivion.
This series needs to be a rpg again. Skills have been falling by the wayside post Daggerfall. Hell a lot of things have been lost since Daggerfall. Like being able to climb!
@@warv6552 That's a good thing. The whole appeal of these kinds of games is to become godlike. Bethesda oddly seems to be against that. As each game they remove what they believe bugs but are actually fun. Their games get much more restrictive on this. Despite this the whole concept of Skyrim is essentially being a demigod. However there are so many things you can't do in Skyrim that you coupd do in the earier games. It doesn't make sense to me either.
@@warv6552 Not really as the climbing skill could be tied to light armor. So only thieves and assassin like characters could use it where a mage that avoids armor altogether can't because they don't learn how to climb (levitation spells for example for mages) and well I don't need to explain why a warrior cladded in metal armor can't climb.
@@ArturoPladeado exactly. Thats an rpg. It respects your roleplaying decisions it doesn't go oh does the widdle baby want to do the mahe guild with no spells?
One thing I also noticed -- in Oblivion, on the PC, you attack IMMEDIATLY when you tell the game to attack, whereas on 2 different PCs, Skyrim waits about 1/4~1/2 a second before actually attacking. Now, interestingly, this isn't a problem on the PS4 version, but that was one big thing I vastly preferred in Oblivion over Skyrim: Oblivion just seemed more responsive to my inputs.
Gio Yeah, killing her in the cabin instead of wasting my time with their entire boring quest line saved a lot of time lmao It's okay the first time you play it, but killing Elisif for example has no effect on the world. That's bullshit. You get IMPORTANT targets in Skyrim, but killing them has no repercussions or benefits. You complete the quest like any other and get your XP :(
KommissarBanx You can kill the damned emperor himself, and the most that you'll hear about it is the occasional NPC one-liner about it. Almost nothing you do matters outside of the quest or questline you do it in.
These actually aren't that petty if you think about it, the loss of the Spellmaker felt like another "uh-oh, we better not let them make their own spells, they MIGHT break the game" moment. It's TES, breaking the game is the name of the game.
And that didn't even make sense either, as how if you DID create an Ultra Powerful Spell, the cost(of both the Price AND the Magicka used to cast it) would be immense to where it wasn't viable to do so
Oblivion: you need recommendations from all guild halls to enter the university.
Skyrim: do you know how to cast fireball?
I had to cast flames, and I was a High Elf so I thought since they are so gifted with magic then I should get something a little difficult
@fuckface unstoppable Actually: th-cam.com/video/84PuKDVb4WY/w-d-xo.html
@@leonardobarros9322 i was literally thinking of the same video
Sadly the Mages recomendations could be better. For example, conjuring, I don't know, some Scamps or esqueletons, asking you a potion that only you can do if you have more than 25 at alchemy....
I don't know, something to show that you have some expierence doing magic. If you can do all the magic quest without magic, well, they're a poblem.
Not even, just yell at her as dragon born.
-dragonborn: *Saved the world like 5 times*
-guards: citizen
Also you are a fucking thane too...that lil shit should call you "sir."
" Hands to yourself, _sneak thief_ "
@@egedenizgogen7978 and i have 16 of stealth and sneak
Champion of Cyrodill: *saves the world repeatedly*
Guard: "I saw a mudcrab the other day."
Oblivion saves the world
Guard:my god you stopped the oblivion crisis
Oblivion had a hand to hand skill. It's extremely satisfying boxing your way through hell and back and actually getting rewarded for it. Also if you got to a 50 in that skill you could punch ghosts
I don't know why but this made me laugh. Have a like.
I missed the boxing mechanics too bro, in skyrim you just throw haymakers like an idiot without blocks and combinations.
I'm in the middle of my first Karate play through of Oblivion, and it's awesome.
Punching a fucking ghost. A being of supernatural origin, that cannot be affected by any normal means.
Punching. A. Ghost. With. Your. Hands. It's so fucking badass. I wish we could also use our feet/legs for awesome kick ass fighting moves
I really want to like this, but it's currently at 69...
Even though it's really awkward and cringey, I absolutely love the voice acting and NPC AI in Oblivion. You could hear that the voice actors of Oblivion were really into it, they put their hearts into it and had fun with it. Even though it's derpy, and there's some sort of mental and physical affliction that has taken hold of every NPC, it's hilarious and it somehow added to the charm of Oblivion. Skyrim doesn't have that.
"Oh did somebody stole your sweetroll?????"
Skyrim's voice acting is so wooden and stilted, yeah. So many voice types have almost no emotion to their lines at all, it's like listening to robots talking to each other.
I could feel the anger in lucien lechances voice when he yells at the player in oblivion. I havent had a single moment in skyrim where I thought a character was so raging mad that he was gonna jump out of the screen and murder me
Bruh Skyrim NPC's are better. They are more developed AI. They feel more alive. Oblivion funnier
@@Sazandora123 in polish version voice actors did a great job, but when I listen to english version it is just lacking any emotions and deep.
Honestly, Riverwood is more of a city than Winterhold.
Borislav Arnaudov only because of the Great Collapse.
Borislav Arnaudov Nope nope aaaaaand nope, you lit clearly don't know the definition of a city than do you??
Borislav Arnaudov I get what you mean like winter hold just looks depressing but river wood is smaller but more liked
The Great Collapse happened about 80yrs before the game starts. Are you telling me that nobody gave a shit at rebuilding it after all that time? Why can't the Mage Guild just conjure some hammers and fix their damn bridge already.
That's kind of on purpose...
My biggest reason for liking oblivion better than Skyrim is enemy variety. One can only fight so many draugrs, dragons, bandits, and falmer before getting bored. The world of cyrodil felt so much more mythical and magical with all its creatures and beasts. Not to mention the first time I ran into a Minotaur I almost shat myself.
@Mr diddle SAME. haven't played ESO since i was a kid, sneaking around because i was scared of everything. Just now learning about all the cool shit.
@Mr diddle i am really glad that I'm not the only one that started playing oblivion during this quarantine. This is the first time, and yes, I almost die of fear when I saw my first minotaur.
The ManAmongMidgets Oblivion had the most generic enemies of the entire series. Minotaurs are the only cool ones.
@Mr diddle oh God I'm scared to play now
very true but the dungeon crawling is awful in oblivion its just a series of copy pasted rooms and the ayleid ruins are boring. I think skyrim really shines in the dungeon department and peaked with the dragonborn dlc
Oblivion’s guild quest lines are way better. In fact, the stories are just better generally.
Dark Brotherhood, sure in Oblivion it was far better. The Thieves Guild are both decent, so that's a tie. The Mages Guild quest in Oblivion is nothing but fetch this, collect that, and all quests can be done by sneak and persuasion. Not much magic involved really, except creating a staff. Skyrim's Mage quest was better, because at least two instances involve the requirement of magic, and there was more than just kill this and fetch that. Overall, Oblivion guild quests were a bit better, but it's nothing to rave on about. Oblivion main quest was trash. The Oblivion Realm dungeons were the worst thing about that game ever, period
@@Warp2567 What ? The Thieves Guild in skyrim is a discount Fighters guild. The Last Quest "The Ultimate Heist" was Legendary. Skyrims "Mage" Guild sucked ass, show me you can cast firebolt! OHHHH LORD AN SAVIOR pls become arch mage. Literally after your first magic lesson EVER you are send to a dangerous ruin and find one of the most power full artifacts in existence. Let the Dungeons and Oblivion Reals be bad ok thats alright along as the quest in there are amusing, unlike skyrims. Every Guild in Skyrim is the Same Go there kill that fetch this and BOOM Guild Leader!
I feel like for how vast the game is, a reduction of story was necessary
Apparently there were a tone of cut content to allow the player the freedom to do events in any order
The thieves guild was WAY better in Oblivion. I love that you go to Armand Christophe and say "jobs" expecting to be given a quest, and he sarcastically taunts you for it. "Jobs? What do you mean *jobs?* You're a thief! Look. You find a likely place, wait til night, sneak in and case the joint. Get it? Go!"
@@sinnithael7707 You do know that ruins you were sent to, after the first Magic Lesson in Skyrim, was to learn about the history of magic, right? Seems fitting after a first lesson of magic, is it not??
It just so happens your character discovered one of the most powerful artifacts ever, which your character CAN'T EVEN USE, so what's the problem with that story?
Seems to me you haven't played alot of Skyrim at all. Probably just watched people play it on youtube, then formed your own biased opinion because of your nostalgia and blind love of Oblivion. Lol that Ultimate Heist quest from thieves guild was the longest, most drawn out quest. It became extremely redundant. Nothing to rave about
I love how dedicated Oblivion was to building large, creative environments. Such as the planes of Oblivion, and the Shivering Isles. When you were transported to those places, it helped add so much depth and interest to the entire game.
The Shivering Isles specifically is also one of my favorite places to explore and experience in game. The color scheme, the array of different plants and creatures, it's twisted nature. Every person has a different personality. And spending time with Sheogorath and becoming his champion was just badass entirely. Who doesn't want to become a mad Daedric prince's champion?
Oblivion also had a stronger feeling of saving the world and being the hero, compared to Skyrim. Yeah dragons are scary, but compared to the recesses of Hell opening up that are full of mutilated corpses, blood, lava, torture devices and terrifying enemies, dragons are nothing. I also love how the sky turns red when close to an Oblivion gate. It's such a small but thoughtful detail that always scared the shit out of me, especially when stumbling upon a gate in the middle of no where.
You hit the nail on the head!
the room at the beginning of the shivering isles fading into butterflies is still one of the coolest intro sequences
also trying to play and find every thing in the game requires you to read ten bibles worth of text. Morrowwind is just a fancy book
Just getting to the Sigil Keep in Oblivion gives players at least 20 situations were they could die, since the Realms are filled with traps and strong enemies. In Skyrim, you can kill a dragon the first time they land with the right equipment, making them a minor threat at times
on god after the second oblivion plane it was just a fucking chore
I liked how in oblivion the npcs would be realistic and respect u if u were the champion of cyrodyill but in Skyrim as the dragonborn they treat u like dirt
I'm scared to fight dragons because i dont want accadntaly kill the chicken
@@lightblueghost hahaha
@@milrr7287 haha I hate what happens if you kill a chicken in skyrim
That's not true you dirt loser!
Do you get to the cloud district very often?
I miss the Imperial guards will chase you as if you were Sarah Connor. One guard chased me from the western part of Oblivion the eastern part killing bears and bandits along the way.
Brotherhood ofSteel - "then pay with your blood ".
@Falk M Watch The Terminator then.
Adamus Phillida is one of the best missions. I love walking into the guard barracks frenzying everyone and then running out and hearing the ping, "Adamus Phillida has died" to friendly guard fire tantrum spirals. Then every single guard in Leyawijn goes berserk and you have to flee the city.. until it breaks and you can waltz right into the guard barracks again, no bounty whatsoever.
"You're the Grand Champion! I saw your match!" "you mind while I peruse this crime scene? Thanks very much".
Lmfao
Dragonborn: *Becomes the hero of the Unnamed Faction (edit), Saves the world from vampires, Saves the world from Alduin, the WORLD EATER*
Vilkas: I've never even heard of this outsider.
(edit): There, now stop being mad.
Metal Blade but they don’t acknowledge you saved them
@@MarcoBMark-rt6ke no, unlike in skyrim they actually do. in oblivion you can walk pass guard and they'll go "The hero of Kvatch. This is truly an honor"
@@swetaros plus if you complete the questline you get a statue made into your honor. If you become the divine crusader they will even address that. If you become champ of the Arena people will comment about your fight with the gray prince. In skyrim I can do anything, ANYTHING!!! and people still treat me like I started the game
*Stormcloaks
@@VeemaMusic *Empire
I miss being able to use magic while being able to use a sword and shield. Playing a paladin type character really sucked in skyrim because you had to keep switching between magic/shield. It really take me out of combat
I imagine they did that to give the Shouts their own dedicated button. Hopefully they will go back to the old system, since the Shouts will most likely be gone in The Elder Scrolls VI.
i would say you should then use onehanded and a improve armor rating spell such as stoneflesh in the other
Yeah that's what I suspect too, that they made Dragon Shouts a bigger priority than magicka spells
Also Skyrim´s magic got cucked super hard imho.
In higher levels you start to notice that all the +dmg enchantments are for bows and melee weapons... there is nothing like that for magic except the reduced mana cost bullshit.
I really hated going around and spamming fucking nuclear explosines like crazy, because they were barely doing anything anymore.
I also miss being able to block with my weapon sheathed.
I like how it's called petty reasons even though most of these are perfectly legitimate criticisms of skyrim
Some of them are petty. I think anyone that says combat in Oblivion is better than Skyrim is delusional. I'm not saying Skyrim's combat is good, ES isn't really good at making good combat. But Oblivion's combat is way worse than Skyrim's. It feels clunky, the character swings too fast, everything takes ages to kill, the only reaction they give to being hit is "bwaaaargh" whereas in Skyrim they actually stumble back a bit (about the "not being able to attack after being attacked" part in Oblivion, I agree, Oblivion did that better than Skyrim), drawing a bow has the flection feeling in Skyrim while in Oblivion it's like there is no flection, you're just pulling back the arrow in the air, and finally, killcams are great. Even after seeing the same animation many times, they're still fun to see. It gives different camera angles, and it's satisfying. Don't tell me you don't like slashing at a Forsworn's knees and decapitating them while they're on their knees with dramatic camera angles for the 100th time. I won't believe it.
And adding danger to spellmaking wouldn't solve the problem of spellmaking. Todd said it's too "spreadsheety", it means that the system requires too much textbook knowledge. Yes, it's basically dumbing down the game in one more way (Skyrim's really obsessed with dumbing things down, I can see that because I'm not wearing any goggles that have nostalgia written on them.) But I bet many people had to read many guides just to get a grasp on how spellmaking works in previous games. Whether that's fun or not is up to the player I guess.
Other than that, all the other complaints are perfectly valid.
@@masterblaster2678 I see your point, and yeah ES doesn't have good combat, skyrim's is a bit more hype but at the end of the day its pretty much just swing until the enemy dies and block when the power attack comes. The main thing is the story and progression of the character, and what you can do with it, like oblivion gives you the acrobatics tree and you can use that to find a clever way around dungeons and stuff, whereas skyrim feels a bit too streamlined.
And I like the spell making but yeah it is a bit spreadsheety. I will fully admit I do have the nostalgia goggles on, but I liked the cross of classic morrowind CRPG style and streamlined modern day RPG oblivion does.
But I do see your points. :)
@Master Blaster ive only just gotten into oblivion, i simply prefer the combat. i just finished skyrim earlier, too. i dont know what it is about skyrim combat, i feel like the lack of movement made spell casting boring, i preferred to dart around the room chucking fireballs at the enemy, with skyrim it just feels too formulaic; i get my fireball spell, use it a few times until the enemy gets too close, if they die before they get to me, lovely, if they dont, i swing at them with a mace. i will agree that oblivion combat *felt* more uneventful to play, but skyrim was just 2 tanks duking it out from what i played. max oblivion difficulty is more fun because i can work out the most optimal way to move around the room to prevent the miniboss hitting me. with skyrim you just have to play slightly more defensive and have better gear/more potions
edit: didn’t articulate myself well enough
skyrim combat: very formulaic, very character level based. legendary difficulty simply required more defensive play style and better gear. i did like the legend of zelda feel where you get stronger and ace a boss once they kill you already
oblivion: more wacky tools at your disposal, but less eventful combat. i liked how the combat wasn’t as power based, instead you had to utilise all the wacky tools at your disposal. extreme difficulties were are more skill based and generally more fun to play because of this
I think when you're critiquing a game as hallowed as Skyrim, you gotta tread softly by labeling it as pettiness.
@@siimad2988 I agree tbh, oblivion feels more replayable because I feel like you can make more in depth, almost D&D style characters, each run being different, whereas skyrim I feel that level of deep experimentation was lost. Obviously Oblivion's experimentation pales in comparison to Morrowind's class system, but this is oblivion vs skyrim we're talking about here.
Dark brotherhood was way better in oblivion than sky rim.
THAT IS SO TRUE! And Shadowmere was such a cool gift in oblivion too. In skyrim it can die.. Boring!
Finally, i found someone who also think that the dark brotherhood is way better than the one in Skyrim
@@bluelenaeevee2053 yeah,shadowmere ''can'' die in skyrim
she just...comes back to life after a while,so yeah
Doesn't hold a candle to the Morrowind struggle of the Morag Tong vs the Dark Brotherhood (and the honor of the Morag Tong not being confused with the Camonna Tong)
@@juslenjeyatharan1004 Morrowind quests are pretty poor by today's standards mechanically. The writing and lore is what makes Morrowind great but the mechanics have aged horribly.
Right hand: Sword
Left hand: Shield
Middle hand: Fireball
Truly the Hero of Kvatch was gifted.
You don't have a middle hand.
@@callumkristofer7793 i have... Actually, i have a middle leg.
@@aureliofelix3335 No way.
@@callumkristofer7793 I think he means the 'delicate part' of the male body
@@projectzeromortals798 Oh
The lack of spellmaking is still my main gripe with Skyrim. It's an essential part of being a mage. Most of mages' time is spent on research and study. Well what are they researching and studying? The answer is... magical sources, magical properties, magical interactions, magical devices, and SPELLS.
The lack of underwater spell casting bugs me just as much. Water-breathing would have been way more useful if the player could cast it underwater. All of the self affecting spells should have been cast-able underwater.
Yeah and like half the spells from Oblivion got removed in Skyrim
Oblivion doesn't crucify you for killing chickens
+Euan Mango haha that's a pretty good reason.
This is actually a reason why skyrim is better
It does for picking up an apple though...
Dumb s'wit! Oblivion is clearly superior.
if your gonna say skyrim sucks please explain why
Oblivion had colors. That was nice.
Yes and the landscape wasn't all one big boring marsh!
2007-2008s was a experimentation era with color palettes and resolutions. Just think in GTA IV and Gears of War. TES was just super advanced.
NoxVicticus So does Skyrim tho, right?
The Sheeper You are right, everything in Skyrim is brown or gray
The Sheeper skyrim is way better then COD
1:45 As someone who was introduced to the Elder Scrolls via Skyrim, I SO FELT BETRAYED about city size. I thought playing Oblivion would be a step back, but I was pleasantly surprised at how amazing it felt as a world compared to Skyrim. I sincerely hope ES6 doesn't F that up.
Also on the note of combat. Oblivion visually feels like I'm swinging a twig, but gameplay wise, it feels impactful
Skyrim visually feels impactful, but gameplay wise I'm swinging a twig (and in turn, being hit by them too)
That's nicely put. I wouldn't have come up with that comparison but reading it I can only agree.
Yes the towns in oblivion were much bigger than Skyrim. I was kinda disappointed when I first played Skyrim.
Love you videos, glad to know you also love oblivion lol
I'd actually expect less from TESVI. Just look at the differences from Morrowind to Oblivion. Beth simplifies things with every new installment.
Another thing too i felt the guilds all around were better in oblivion.
Oblivion: now that you’re famous and well liked enough, we will allow you to ride this unicorn. Everyone loves you and is in awe of you. Skyrim: *Leads the companions*, Guard: “Have you thought of joining the companions?”
i personally loved the persuasion wheel minigame in Oblivion. hearing their sassy lines and faces change always made me laugh :)
And I still love watching people not understanding how it works.
Kynaz Fawkes And I love not understanding how it works and avoiding it altogether
I love just spamming "give gold" until their my best friend
Give money get friends
BarbaryBeast
I still need that gold
Someone doesn’t get to the Cloud District very often
Good avatar
Yeah
i take no joy in saying this but, the devs where clearly cutting out features that should have stayed in to make the game simpler and therefore more casual friendly, now i would just say, if you dont want to make spells for yourself, then just dont use that feature, or, include the ability to upload created spells online giving all players acces to any spells created by the comunity if they have the stats to use them... now im not a game dev, but if i came up with a solution to suit both casual and hard core players this fast... what the hell was their excuse, becuase ether they where careless, or they where lazy, and nether one is good... im afriad of what they may do to gut the already shallow gameplay of skyrim for the 6th game... they clearly have stopped careing with how they handled fallout 76.
Oh What are you saying of course they don't
*stabs multiple times with blade of woe*
While dialog and reputation were pretty clunky in Oblivion, I have to say, at least you felt like what you were doing mattered to people. They would smile when you greeted them, or not (depending), they changed their tone, their phrasing, even what they called you because of what you had done in the world, whether in the broad scale or on the personal scale. That...is an important part of feeling like what you're doing makes a difference, and it is a shame they didn't hook into that with Skyrim.
I agree completely. Oblivion and earlier games actually used mechanics to determine these things (such as numeric disposition, fame, bounty, NPC stats) whereas Skyrim used a much more linear procedural disposition system. NPCs felt inconsistent and only had a tiny handful of lines they'd ever say to you, most of which being completely unaffected by outside variables.
And hearing the npcs talk to each other while walking arround... Sometimes getting quests from it, sometimes hearing them talk about your deeds... Made it such a better system! In skyrim charavters talk to esch other only once and then its over... They just walk arround and do not make eye contact...
Even though Oblivion exchanges like that were often really goofy, it still made it feel more lively. I get that Skyrim is supposed to be more dour as a province, but you're absolutely right, gingercore. Dour does not equate with asocial, because neighbors are still neighbors.
dasjugsboi Give me one example of generic NPCs giving more lines in Oblivion than those in Skyrim. The disposition system was ditched because there wasn't a good use for it other than getting info from an NPC for another fetch quest.
gingercore69 That is because NPCs in Oblivion have such awkward conversations and it was immersion breaking. I feel like a lot of you are blinded by nostalgia.
"Hi have you heard about the ____?"
"Yes.... Good day."
I've just finished Oblivion 2 days ago and I can definitely say Skyrim is an upgrade though a bit too easy. Plus, haven't you seen those Oblivion NPC dialog memes floating around? I'm glad Bethesda got rid of it.
The adoring fan followed me into the Mythic Dawn Hideout during the quest where you act like one of them and got murdered
It's fun how you can take him literally anywhere and kill him in many different ways. My adoring fan in some random oblivion gate I found near Bruma
What a shame, he was a good man. What a rotten way to die.
I closed him in the oblivion gate of Skingrad
I keep him locked in my house 😅
Same! But he respawned near the arena like 2 in game days later
Oblivion’s city design was imo better. Especially the main city in the shivering isles
speaking of design the wolf in skyrim looks pretty shit. its like taking a wolf, starving it, painting it dark grey and literaly throwing it into water and abandon it on a forest drenched in water. tthe wolf's design in oblivion is mountaiins better than skyrim's.
Never played that expansion but damn I remember being disappointed by the size of cities in skyrim. As someone who was amazed by the layout of imperial city when I played it when I was young:I was fully expecting way bigger(or at least the size of) that city. I had my hope's up for each new city I visited in skyrim: "Solitude is the capital of Skyrim, surely this must be a huge city!" Despite it being a cool design, underwhelming city size.
I remember when nazeem said "have you been to the cloud district?" And thinking w
"Wow I cant wait to go there, a whole unexplored part of whiterun!" And then found out I walked through the whole thing in about 6 seconds.
@@savethebees275 Solitude felt really empty and somber. Fitting for it's name. I agree though, rest of the cities should've gotten better treatment. Whiterun is like, not even a third of a city in Oblivion.
If you want big cities, play Daggerfall. You'll get lost in no time.
@@necrobynerton7384 Also the Nordic accents are complete bullshit, the imense dissapointment will never get beyond me.
100% agree on the scale part skyrim seems tiny to oblivion, why do bandit camps have more people than some cities?
RC Jelly cause bandits are the true citizens of skyrim. Unarmed people are only the rebel invaders
Gianmarco Gramegna is it weird I kinda regret choosing stormcloak now?
@@thestranger4894 you SHOULD regret choosing the stromcloaks
Skyrim fixed some stuff but lost some great stuff and oblivion did the same with morrowind they need to combine all the good aspects of all 3 games
Skybliviwind!
@@cholestroll8937 actually, yeah, that sounds better than mine...im changing my vote lol
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So help me God, if TES6 disappoints, I'm straight-up DONE with Bethesda's bullshit.
@@jacrispy3275 no you wont. Youll buy the same crap just like everyone else. Bethesda has been fucking consumers over since oblivion. Constant bullshit cash grab games, skyrim being re released 8 years in a row.. not letting dev's of new vegas create a new, actually good fallout. Etc. Etc. How could you be okay with that?
All the cities in Oblivion actually _feel_ like cities. They all have huge walls, guide chapters, multiple stores, and tons of houses, not to mention a castle for the Duke. Most cities in Skyrim lack a big wall for protection, barely have any houses (outside of Solitude), and some even lack basic stores. Some can hardly even be called a town, like Winterhold for example.
The cities in Skyrim feel more like outposts to a city, not a city themselves.
Oblivion also had decisions that could actually effect you in a negative way. If you do the Pilgrimage quest line and get all of the Crusader’s Relics, and then murder someone in cold blood, you lose those relics and have to re-earn them. You also can get demoted in guilds in oblivion if you break the rules. Everything holds weight.
It is probably because most of them are not sophisticated like cyrodiil, you compare new york to Santa Fe
Not to mention all of the guild questlines are longer and better in Oblivion
Ya'll forgetting something.
PLOT AND LORE
Oblivion takes place 200 years before skyrim
And that 200 years.
ALOT has happened on SKYRIM.
The great collapse
The great war
The Rebellion. I wouldn't be surprised if the Towns On Skyrim became like winterhold... Literally everyone is having a hard life be It The Noble. Commoner. Jarl. Assasins. Thieves. Bandits. Mage. Almost everyone.
It'd be not like that if not for mehrunes dagon.
That Big red dude Lose. But he somehow still won Because he bring changes To Tamriel.
(He's god of destruction and Change?)
Aside from that
Solitude
Windhelm
Whiterun
Riftena
Are the only true cities I admired in skyrim...
Ya'll should Read the lore of Elder scrolls not just fapping yer' mouth🤦🤦
In the old days Riften Is Ten times bigger than solitude. But thats Veryyyy long ago. The riften in skyrim today is sh*t.
And the thieves guild no longer have the "underground city"
Because TIME and PLOT.
Oblivion city is great because it's in the center Of one of the most succesfull businesses in Tamriel
The cyrodiil..
@@iSeeCorpses you do realize the writers/producers mold the lore to fit the game and vice versa. None of what you said excuses Skyrim’s cities being pitifully small, they simply could have wrote the lore differently or made it take place in a different era in Skyrim.
@@TheRealAbraxas then it May Not be interesting as it is. The Era on skyrim is great because we get to see what being a dragonborn is like. And also what Happened to the past main character(Kvatch, Nerevarine)
I like being able to use magic regardless of whatever weapon I had equipped in oblivion unlike Skyrim
Yes. That was good.
Yes.
If they wanted that to change, then adding restrictions like, "oh you this spell required it to be channeled through a fire enchanted sword."
Or
"This specific spell can only be cast using a mace."
Which honestly wouldn't make sense for a regular mage it would be a cool option for a battle mage.
What about casting unique spells through mixing the use of shouts?
You know, learn a little bit under the greybeards and add this knowledge to the College and see those nerds light up at the possibility.
You could make a whole quest about it.
also oblivion had seperate pants
TheSpliceer best point made so far
TheSpliceer Oh I fucking hate how Skyrim conjured them into one slot. Oblivion already annoyingly got rid of the layered armor system. Skyrim opts to make it worse instead of improving it.
All thats left is too now mesh the boots in as well. No more shall you be able to mismatch your armor for fashion.
Trevor Greenly lol
Spartan Q77 What is a "layered armour" system?
200 years after Oblivion everybody took an arrow into the knee so they couldn't jump anymore.
No, just no.
is it supposed to be funny?
I thought it was funny enough to actually make sense.
Taking an arrow to a knee means marrying..........
400 years brah but whos counting
Everyone gangsta till lockpicks start weighing 0.5 in the elder scrolls 6
Wait ... what? O_O They're actually doing that?
@@LadyCoyKoi nah fallout 76 had that issue.. but that wasn't the only one hah
Or 0.1 for each septim you have
Or if they give arrows weight again
I'm playing skyrim now with coin weight and arrow weight. Not lock picks though.
The dark Brotherhood quest were waaay better in Oblivion imo.
It was darker and longer. And the ways to kill someone, especially on this "party quest in Skingrad".
I cheated and added like 100 poison apples throughout the house. It was glorious.
Party quest is definitely not linear and fun
@@podrumkaleto5042 yup guys, i totally wasn't there xD
I started Oblivion for the first time ever last year after playing Skyrim pretty much since release. I liked the Dark Brotherhood in Skyrim so I decided to join it in Oblivion. I was surprised when I heard the orc talking about how he killed a Nord girl at her 5th or 6th birthday. I knew the Dark Brotherhood was bad but they were never shown as being just straight evil in Skyrim because a lot of their victims were wronged by whoever made the contract.
@@SkatePunkBanana I heard that line yesterday, I was shocked too.
The werewolves were cool in Skyrim but Oblivion had a unicorn 🦄
I haven’t played oblivion yet, but I think you’ve now provided me a reason to!
I killed the unicorn by letting umba at it after I provoked her
@OGC.Ender /noob Oblivion is better
Morrowind in the bloodmoon dlc had werewolves running around in solstheim i think but in skyrim u only see them in cages and that one guy for the hercine quest wat happened to the werewolves and u cant even become a werebear when u go to solstheim in the skyrim dragonborn dlc
I know
When i played oblivion my character was a khajiit with 100 acrobats and would jump out of the city walls and float past the edge of the map and fall down to the bottom of the whole map
my favorite part of that game is feeling like u went from a weakling to a godlike vampire mage.
I never wasted the spring heel jack boots because I had level 80 in it so I got a bonus item
Immersion
@@Fenris2 damn I wish I did that
That's not possible there's collision at the end of the map even with no collision command u still couldn't do that. That part of the map technically doesn't exist unless u are in a city......
Oblivion quests: Hes trapped in his dream, use this amulet to join his dream and safe him!
He drew a picture that created a new world, enter the picture!
Buy a haunted house, open a mysterious gate in the cellar and get trapped in it with a freakin op mage, so you will wet yourself!
Skyrim Quests: Go to that dungeon and get an IRON SWORD cause its a VERY IMPORTANT family heirloom.
Kill an entire dungeon with bandits in it.
Enter the mind of pelagius and cure his madness...well....guess thats ok...
What about the reiklings of thrisk mead hall or killing the FRIGGING EMPEROR, you're ignoring some pretty fun quests
@@RH-sy8yl I agree that killing the emperor was pretty fun but...C'mmon,look at the rest of the Dark Brotherhood quests in Skyrim,it's not that great.
Oblivion has many great quests, not all of them are executed very well but the ideas are fantastic. For example the sheogorath shrine quest is amazing in Oblivion. You basically have to convince a small village living in harmony and prosperity into thining the world is going to end by a prophecy based on very old lore. It's a hilarious but super evil quest that almost makes you feel bad, in any case it's a great quest and there are many like those in Oblivion, especially the shrine quests.
come onn the blackstar quest in skyrim was pretty amazing especially for something that was just a solo side quest
"go get this iron sword so i can make a living even tho i have a steel sword clearly equipped"
When counting “cities” oblivion also has many many towns, some with dozens of homes and a couple quests. That are unmarked on the map and beed to be “found”
"villages" is the correct term. Some of them were the same size of even cities in Skyrim.
“thank you” for telling me “ this”
Also in skyrim no one cared if you were the DragonBorn,people treated you like trash.in oblivion if you were the champion or the hero of kvatch people honored you and treated you like gold,at least that's what I remembered
Nerf Hooligan, Honestly I feel like that’s the attitude almost every nord of Skyrim had.
Too bad if you liberated all the cities from oblivion gates in the optional quest, you will only be known as the hero of kvatch.
Also, check my screenshot below, they said bruma is going to be obliterated... Meanwhile in skingrad:
imgur.com/IeguElF
Not to mention how the dialogue wont even change if you become the leader of the companions, or become the archmage. Guards will still acknowledge you as the "new member of the companions"
Nords are kinda dicks and not easily impressed so maybe that is why.
Anonymous226 Well yeah. Lol I know that. Elves usually are dicks.
In oblivion u could actually connect to the npcs and it felt like they had emotions. That made the whole game better
I love people who claim to be realism junkies but then ask for passionate dialogue for characters. Yes, the farmers is eccentric to tell a random traveler about his potato crop.
This is why most of the meme videos are in Oblivion and lower, instead of in Skyim, it just doesnt feel the same there, the only funny part were the guards.
@@haliax8149 if you take the dialogue options the games just get simpler i feel like skyrim has the same mood writing as the cartoon avatar
I loved having to raise their disposition instead of saying, "I prefer Battle-Born" and then the guy says I have been a good friend to him when I literally just met him.
You can tell me a lot but oblivions npcs where everything esle than emotional :D
Skyrim was still good, but I've always felt there were soo many little things that just made Oblivion much more enjoyable and memorable.
The best thing about Oblivion is: my poor Windows 7 with 4GB RAM, 1.6Ghz and Intel Graphics can handle it
I feel that bro. One day we will have the experience we deserve with those games.
But my pc with 16 gigs of ram, a gtx 1060 3gb and a 8 core 4ghz processor can't because the amd fx series sucks
@@IndyMiraaga weird flex, but okay
The Royal Guard wzc
@@IndyMiraaga GTX 2080 Super, Ryzen 9 12 core 4.0 Ghz over clocked, 24 thread count, 32 GB 3200 ram, and 970 Evo SSD at 3 gbs read/ write
I liked the Oblivion questlines much more.
But in Skyrim we finally hear about the high elves
HACC
BRRUR
HMPF *jumps while dying*
I dont care about the high elves.
The war was boring.
@@Your-Least-Favorite-Stranger OK, but have you heard about the high elves?
I don't know the high elves, and I don't care to know the high elves.
Nobody cares about STUPID STUCK UP SNOBBY HIGH ELVES
Being able to cast spells without the need to unequip anything
That is nice, but...so is dual casting.
thank you! I never liked how you had to "equip" spells in Skyrim. Sure it looked more cinematic, but I don't like pausing to rearrange what's in my hands to switch from weapons to magic. I had at least wished that whatever weapons you had in your inventory in Skyrim, or most recently used weapons, would be on your character (back, sides etc) while they cast spells.
@@gugalldiznii383 Favorise your spells with F, open the menu with Q and hotkey the spells with numbers...Jesus its the same effect but more immersive
@A Random Dude dude why do you hate Oblivon so much? The dual cast system made it impossible to play a hybrid class, and that's pretty bad considering a mage class in skyrim is complete shit. That is until you reach magika cost zero and then it breaks the game.
@A Random Dude that is not true, and you know nothing about how I play. Technically yes its possible, but it just sucks so hard. Its not an opinion, it just sucks. It takes a dedicated build to do, and then it fares much worse than an equal build on fighting or stealth. Then at the very end its insanely overpowered just from enchantments, and doesn't take any other sort of build to excel with.
I really like the magic system in Oblivion personally. There’s just so much more you can do and so many more places you can go with it
And the fact its three times bigger than Oblivon's lol
The real reason Oblivion is a better fantasy than Skyrim: BETTER QUESTS.
Have you tried Oblivion's Dark Brotherhood and Thieves guild? They blow Skyrim out of the water. The atmosphere and the stories are so much darker and deeper.
It's almost like Bethesda watered them down in Skyrim to appeal to young ages. Maximum profit.
Don't forget the Mage's Guild questline
Skyrims dark brotherhood questline is pretty good tho
Nowhere as good as Oblivion's though
“Better quests”, not really, playing Oblivion was like having a fever dream, it was too hilarious to be taken seriously, the whole game is a massive disaster
ZiNG Whats wrong about wanting maximum profit?
Skyrim is a masterpeace, still played by thousands every day, more than 7 years after release.
Even if its "watered down" for "bäääd bäääd maximum profit" its nothing to complain about.
Skyrim:
*Robs Jarl/steward/maid/thalmor/every rich npc in town*
"Wait...I know you"
Oblivion:
*Picks up fork*
"IT'S ALL OVER LAWBREAKER"
YOUR SPREE IS AT AN END
*THEN PAY WITH YOUR BLOOD*
YOUR STOLEN GOODS ARE NOW FORFEIT
STOP! YOU VIOLATED THE LAW! PAY THE COURT A FINE OR SERVE YOUR SENTENCE!
PAY THE COURT A FINE OR SERVE YOUR SENTENCE
In general, Oblivion feels like you need to be smarter. Skyrim, true to being a game in the Nordlands, feels more like a game about being a meat tank. Magic is there, but it feels less... important
Also, no choice of sign or class. I get that it was complete in Oblivion, and that it was easy to make a “bad” character, but I like having that much control over the character I make.
whenever i level up in oblivion i just use console commands to get the same +5 to attributes i'd get if i min maxed, specifically so i can do whatever i want and don't have to min max
Wish they would remaster Oblivion while we're waiting on TES6.
Skyblivion my friend
Look up Skyblivion. It's a huge developing mod that aims to do just that!
nah im thinking morrowind
The Film Freaks Skywind then...
Same
Skyrim is weird because Blade, Blunt, and Axe are now one skill, but Pickpocket became a separate skill entirely from Sneak.
@Velociocraptor that's probably for the best giving the perk system my problem is the amount of spell effects missing like absorb or drain.
Magic in skyrim lookes cool but lacks flexibility.
@Velociocraptor
And WHERE IS MY LEVITATION SPELLS?? ;-;
@toaritok Thats very incorrect. The difference between using a sword, an axe or a mace is MUCH bigger than using it one or two handed. There are things like egde alignment, momentum, parrying and reach that each are different and must be accounted for. The only read difference between one and two handed is leveraging your second hand.
ΛutistiЄ you’re forgetting about the existence of buckets in Skyrim
@toaritok probanly not. If one trained the art of sword and became a master with it, he would not be as good with an axe because it requires only one hand. If you were skilled with a longsword it doesnt mean you are good with a bow because it is two handed :/
Faces in Oblivion may have been ugly but all the npcs were thicc 😤👌
Yeah but in real life there's a lot of ugly people
the ugly faces really aren't a big deal tbh you can just download oblivion character overhaul
Nothing intelligent has ever followed emojis
Jacob Simpson Well it's a good thing the emojis were at the end of the sentence
You fucking win
Oblivion: Horse armor
Skyrim: No horse armor
The horse armor was useless anyway didnt even protect the horse
@@gptechnologiesmangalore6909 it was a joke, the only horse you really need is shadowmere and it's invincible. Horse armor pack was one of the first oblivion addons and is more of a meme now, The xbox reviews are just people making jokes about it
@@juanayon231 it's a good petty reason though
@@juanayon231 i know
Id pay 10 dollars for it
I hated how skyrim's night Eye worked when compared to Oblivion's night Eye. I just liked the calm, mellowing blue shade your entire screen became, and it was sort of relaxing and made you feel like it was still dark even though you could see in the dark.
In skyrim, it was just a harsh, bright whitish-blue that lit up the screen like a flashlight to the face. I'd either just use a torch or turn my brightness all the way up to purposely avoid using Skyrim nighteye
In Skyrim
>kill someone in the forest with no witness
>still get a bounty
In Oblivion
>kill someone in the forest with no witness
>NPC suspects but won't arrest you
@@lightblueghost I swear even animals are witness...
Then pay with your blood!
Yeah you can give this an uno reverse card and it would make more sense.
Nagi Stratos your follower is the witness, dipshit. Lydia will help you slaughter an innocent village but won’t let you get away with killing chickens
It’s because animals count as witnesses in skyrim
One thing i really liked was the racism in oblivion. Sounds odd but i made a few characters and did the same starting quests etc so i got to know a few of the npcs. Thats when i noticed that even with identical stats, i could walk into a shop and suddenly the shopkeep is scowling at me with only a 16/100 approval for being a redguard, where as it was 56/100 if i was a breton
Mods are cheats, STOP!
But yeah, I have to agree with you. I remember trying to play as an orc in Oblivion and my speech was pure garbage. NPCs outright hated me and once for the Anvil sirens' quest, I was automatically being attacked by the female thugs when I didn't do anything. Amazing.
Dude, shopkeepers hate you when ur a redgaurd in real life. Always watching u to see if u slipped those chips under your hoodie. Just go to Brooklyn. That's what i call immersive
Frickin' Alik'r man!
Whiterun hates Khajiit. Actually most skyrim does..racist pricks
@@TheNeXusCore9032 Some mods are cheats. The overwhelming majority of them are not, and the modded content is vastly better in terms of production quality than anything in the base game. There's a reason Bethesda makes the games so easily moddable and releases all the tools for people to mod. Hell, there are mods that fix more bugs than every official patch combined does.
Skyrim: 12 Buildings
Oblivion: 20 Buildings
Daggerfall: Hold my beer
Dagerfall: all the buildings lol
Daggerfall had more buildings than there are actual buildings on Earth.
Azrael EdT
Daggerfall was dogshit tho.
Daggerfall was empty everywhere else though
who dafuq plays games to count buildings ????
Patrick Steward said he saw me in his dreams. - Oblivion 10/10
obviously the biggest reason why oblivion is better is because of the memes
2vain4u I would digress
i agree wholeheartedly
skooma
That's definitely part of it
*_S T O P Y O U V E V I O L A T E D T H E L A W_*
Oblivion felt happy. The world was so vibrent.
Denialater777 the dungeons didn't. They were awful
It felt insane. Like Alice in Wonderland... which is why Shivering Isles was such an appropriate expansion.
the world was so vibrant yet also so creepy and dark
Denialater777 that's true
Because skyrim is undergoing a Civil War where as in oblivion the world is just being taken over by the daedra
I really miss the lock picking in Oblivion.
it was waaayyy less luck based
Oblivion: uses actual timing and skill
Skyrim: one pixel off? Oh well you lost another pick
It's more realistic in skyrim
@@ericdunford2444 is it, now? I know very little about lockpicking but i know for a fact it's more similar to the one in oblivion, just that you can't actually see the pins
@@hugebuffman3619 yes it is
The Arena was a great questline in Oblivion, but did you know there was going to be an Arena in every single city? Yes every city was going to have its own arena and its own quest. That would have been legendary.
+Armoured Productions ya I knew about that. Could have been pretty cool. And probably would have helped with the feeling of repetitiveness.
Armoured Productions I think that Kvatch has an Arena in the lore
But the question is: is there an arena in each city in the lore? Because if there is not, there is no reason to do it
It would ha been great ! And by ''it'' i mean put an arena in each city
Also best starting quest line, leave sewers, go to arena, master combat
I prefer Oblivion's magic system solely for the fact that you can still cast spells while using a bow
LuckyZevanns 88 variety of gameplay was lost in skyrim. I made an account based around two-handed sword use and it felt like they had no place in the game. There isn't stun, every weapon in the game can just continuously power attack making it seem like they aren't even much better. You can't use magic at the same time as a two hander but you can duel weild staves in this game. It feels like they forgot about this class and added it solely because it existed in the prior games
I hated that you can't just raise a shield in Skyrim. You have to take out your sword and shield then block.
LuckyZevanns 88 heck yeah
They need more elaborate dark brotherhood quests like fr. They were so boring except for the last one. I miss the one in oblivion where you assassinated 4 people in a house while trying to to be figured out as a killer.
epwmolter *six
Bro, I had so much fun on that quest
Oblivion had a bunch of awesome quest, especially the Daedric quest where you'd get Daedric artifacts after you finished
But because Oblivion is a buggy piece of shit the quest can easily be broken. So long as you kill the target in one hit no one will figure out who did it, even if the person was kill in front of everyone else.
+Slender Man well that's a elder scrolls game dude it gives it a certain charm
+OmegaWafflesHax ok, no, something THAT fucking broken shouldn't get the "it adds to the charm" excuse. Getting shit whipped 100ft in the air by a giant? That's funny, and doesn't really break anything. Being able to cheese a quest without even trying? That's just stupid.
The cities in Oblivion feel much more unique and compact with lore and intrigue than Skyrim has ever had
i cant stand the college questline in skyrim. It barely relies on magic. and the only magic you have to use is the spell to get in and basic flames or frost spells. Everything else just relies on combat. It was also too short and too easy. The mages guild questline was long and hard and it made you work your eay through it using magic and actually becoming a mage
Kimmie Bennett you have to use exactly 3 spells: an interchangeable on the seal, a ward and one on the thing in saarthal
I loved the Mages Guild in bother Morrowind and Oblivion. Agreed that it was quite challenging and long ( likes the noble Dunmer houses too, those were fun...Crassius Curio FTW)
I mean it kinda makes sense only because it's Skyrim and they have to hit kinda low with everyone hating magic there and the fact that they're in a rough spot as well, but really it should have been more rough to be able to climb the ranks so easily.
Are you kidding me? Everybody is always complaining about "go here do this" quests, when that was the entirety of the mages guild.
how to enter winterhold university
faralda: let me see you use fireball
*fireball*
you got talent!!!
Skyrim did not *fix* the attribute system, it removed it.
Skyrim also did not improve the reputation system, it removed it.
@Cannot censor Lucifer That is the dumbest argument for anything I have ever seen. If it was trash, why did they have it in the first place? Why didn't they just "get rid of it" in development?
@Cannot censor Lucifer So it was a stupid idea to make the system, but it wasn't a stupid idea to get rid of it? Dude, the only logic you are using right now is "I think it's bad so obviously it's bad."
@Cannot censor Lucifer You clearly know nothing about couriers, also information disseminated before the internet came along, how do you think ideas and news spread back in the medieval era?
@Cannot censor Lucifer Don't care, this is a fantasy setting anywasy so it actually doesn't matter. You join a guild a make a name for yourself, that is reputation and it's a great idea.
I miss the Mage's Guild questline from Oblivion whenever I play Skyrim and decide to be a mage. When I was trying to join the guild in oblivion, I actually felt like I was learning things and improving. Plus you had to go to every city first before you could enter the university. It just made you feel more involved with the game, like you actually had to work for something. The college of winterhold is a sad excuse for any guild type and the main questline was lame on top of the damn librarian fetch quests. You were made to feel like a worker bee, even once you reached the top.
The one thing I give skyrim credit for with magic is the price of spells. Oblivion was a bit outrageously priced for the higher end spells.
I remember thinking the dungeons in Skyrim were way more of a slog, especially the dwarfen ruins and draugr dungeons. God, some of them went on forever, and there was that much to loot. I spent more time deciding what to keep and what to leave.
Got a long list, but here I go. Hopefully some of you guys agree.
I love the feeling of being just no one special with your own backstory, no insane prophecy involved or god-like powers or anything like that. You start as a felon, then you're the Hero of Kvatch, then you're a Blade, then you're the Savior of Bruma, and finally become the Champion of Cyrodiil. You earned your title by whatever means.
Not only that, but I feel a lot more intimate with the characters because you don't have a select string of words you have to say, you can paraphrase "Anvil attack" any way you'd like. If you hate the church, you can imagine a snide remark, "Oh, did you hear about the Anvil attack? SUCH a TRAGEDY." Or if you had family in Anvil, you can ask desperately.
Also, zooming in on the face rather than just looking at the npc's whole body made it feel a lot more personal. You can see the expressions they make, read their lips, etc. It felt like they were focusing their attention on you alone and really giving you the time of day. And if they disliked you, their potato-faced glare stared right through your soul.
Speaking of, each character had their likes and dislikes. It could have gotten repetitive with the minigame, but it gave more depth to the characters and made me feel like I had a silver-tongue. Oh, the ugliest stinkiest most repulsive character loves being complimented? The countess actually likes it when you intimidate her?
Tons of quests. Hefty main quest story. Emotional connection to the characters. I don't need to say more.
The game felt like a struggle sometimes, but its okay because you were eventually able to overcome them based on what you invested in. In Skyrim its like if you don't like your decision of being a warrior, you can just turn into a mage at will (and anything is possible if you have the enchanting tree maxed out). And while that's alright and all, its not punishing enough. If you're a mage in Oblivion, you better not get smacked and you better build up ways to prevent dying using magic. If you spec into speed and light armor, you gotta be fast and avoid getting hit, but you can still sustain some damage, etc.
Honestly I can go on and on and on, but I'll leave it there.
The part about the zoom in on the faces is sweet
I do think RPGs should be a struggle. Feels more immersive to me at least. I loved the fact that you needed to pass skillchecks, Oblivion gave up on that already and was showing the way TES would go and went. I prefer RPGs that do such things and not just allow you to be everything and do anything. Skyrim is to much of a sandbox and not enough RPG. Many players say you can still roleplay in your head, but that's a sad excuse imo.
But well if players prefer this than I have to accept that. I accepted it after Fo4. Bethesda won't do that anymore.
i found skyrim to be too easy so i tried to max out the difficulty, but it's impossible to sneak on legendary. even if your sneak skill is maxed all enemies will sense you and come right for you, which i found really annoying.
You actually get god-like powers in one of the dlcs *_*
You'd love Morrowind even more then.
Bruh I didnt even know that old elder scrolls games had spell crafting , now I'm really pissed , just imagine the possibilities
morrowind has the best magic, oblivion needs a magic power x2 but it's fun as hell, and daggerfall is just endless posibilities but no one understands how it works exactly… skyrim is the little brother who is eating glue
Yeah. You could create the spell and name them. I had a spell that would paralyze your enemy for several seconds and set them on fire at the same time. I called it “Campfire”
@@lagunalibre117 Arena is the child that instantly dies if hit by a mage, but fights like a enraged crocodile if hit by any non-magic class.
Imagine a fireball that paralyzes AND turns you invisible. Yeah. Oblivion magic is way better. Only thing Skyrim has it beat on is that you can dual wield spells.
@@zc6891 Skyrim has the exact same effect but not everything in 1 spell...I don't understand people who want to stay with old things that are obviously stupid. Do you rather want 1 spell with like 4 effects that are actually different schools each. Or more spells that you have to cast them with a plan. You guys just don't want to think and only use 1 spell to fuck everything. That's so broken and boring. A mage should have more skill and be more patient in his power. I love Skyrim, and I'm relieved that they removed this bullshit
At this rate of "progression", the next ES game is going to have 5 spells and 2 skills and 3 attributes. SMH
My pipe dream is to play Morrowind on a new whizbang Windows 10 machine with all patches/mods to make it functional and modern at 1080p 1600x900. ZERO interest in any other ES games, sorry.
Eso is quite good even just for questing, especially Morrowind in it and the key for game is really cheap
Oh you are one of those people who think Old games=Good, Your complain is just dumb Just because skyrim isnt as good as the Older game doesnt mean its not good, It is actually a "progression" Since the graphic is a lot better, Yeah its not as good as the quest for oblivion But it doesnt mean its bad, I never played morrowind before but I keep getting bored of trying to watch lets play of it not able to Watched it till the end. Trying to Write a good story is hard as fuck, i Remember when my teacher gave us a project to write a story And i remember how i cant think of something good to tell the story and just Finishing the project So i can just Pass.
@@aries6006 no, the real problem is how it being dumbed down so babies can play. Thats the problem the op is concerned, how the skills is going to be severely limited.
@@aries6006 if the only thing we can expect to improve is graphics thats super dumb.
I loved how much variety there was in Oblivion, and how many secrets it had. I thought it was so cool when I became a vampire and had these crazy stat boosts, or when I found out that there were things called black soul gems that could be made only by following a really specific ritual. It just had so much depth to it.
Whenever I hear the word "petty", I keep thinking about petty soul gems.
Good to know I'm not alone lol.
Every time I see a petty soul gem I imagine it making some petty insult.
qwertyuiopzxcfgh Meh, that doesn't even make sense
Jamal Powell Well, I'm not a native speaker, so before I played Elder Scrolls, the only way I had heard of the word petty being used was for a "petty person" or a "petty insult".
Petty soul gem. Won't store souls because you didn't ask how it's day was
I got one hell of a rush of nostalgia when you played the arena announcers voice.
I miss the guilds. They were such a good idea...
And I do miss the skill system. Skyrim's is better for a first playthrough, but if you keep starting with new characters (like me), it gets tedious to keep leveling the skills you want. Customizable class... you're dearly missed.
no skyrim is horrible for a first playthrough IMO
best game to start with is morrowind because it's more immersive and the lore is more interesting
Centorea 88 he means the first time you play the game itself, not as an introduction to the series. like skyrim is good the first time you play, but gets tedious after multiple playthroughs
I love Oblivion because of the dark brotherhood quest line. It was amazing then and still is the freedom and creativity used to accomplish the missions.
I first played Oblivion back when I was 14 years old. I would turn on the PC at 6PM and play the game non-stop until 6AM (only during weekends of course). The game was a blast, I did everything that was possible in the game. The Knights of the Nine DLC was just a blast, and that one where you travel to another dimension (forgot the name) was so fun and different from what I already had experienced in the game. The atmosphere of the world, the quests, the characters, the cultures, everything just was breathtaking to me, I immersed myself into that world and played for hours on end. I can't quite fully explain my love for the game, its just a special one in my heart.
So when Skyrim was announced I was ecstatic. I longed for another game that could give me the same feeling as Oblivion, and when it released, after 25 hours playing, I felt disapointed. Maybe the nostalgia glasses blocked my vision, but Skyrim didn't felt as awesome as the predecessor. Oblivion gave me a unique feeling when playing the game no other game to this day managed to do. That is why I love it so much.
But I haven't lost faith in Bethesda. I still hope that the next TES will give me the same feeling as Oblivion. Lets hope I'm not wrong.
Well said, same for me. In my opinion one of the biggest reasons is Color, everything in oblivion is happy and colourfull, whereas in Skyrim everything is gloomy and dark
I hope it will. You'll never be a 14yo discovering an open world fantasy game again though ...
I felt the same disappointment about Oblivion after having played Morrowind first. Then when Skyrim released I realized Oblivion was actually very good.
I'm sorry but I have 0 confidence that ES6 will be any good, maybe it will turn Skyrim into a playable game. And ES7 might make ES6 look good lol. Sorry but these games get progressively worse.
They lose RPG and customization elements every time and become more of a bog standard action game.
You hit the nail on the head. 100% agree.
Bullshit, everyone here knows you stayed up even on week days.
It's the government regulation. The Empire passed anti levitation lesigation.
Marlin Rando “Nigga what”‼️😂
Aggrobiscuit oh shit lml 😲
Cheap way to remove levitation
@@truepatrician4700 They will bring it back but levitation is a forgotten art.
You can murder every guard and townsfolk to your heart's content but you must restrain yourself from using levitation, even if your life depended on it. The infringement of that regulation would just be going too far.
Petty? Nah, those are all great reasons. I just can't wrap my head around why they took out so much of the cool stuff that Oblivion and Morrowind did so well.
Never played oblivion but that swing speed...
Absolutely divine
Embrace Change
roshan shaikh not all change is good change
wait so now skyrim is a bad game? Resources put into a well done arena or spellcasting system are resources taken away from other aspects of the game. And judging by the games popularity they hit a pretty nice balance. That doesn't mean it is a perfect game but they obviously had a reason to remove it. It's not like they were at a company meeting and Todd's just like "Ok arena development team what your progress" and then they're like "we got board so we have just been making a text based adventure in python during work time" and then Todd's just like "Good idea I guess we're scrapping the arena then. Meeting dismissed"
There is actually an arena. You can visit the location only with the console but yes there is one... it isn't finished but we know they tried to make one. or planned on doing so
i like how in oblivion you could have a detect life helmet, it was cool to be able to always see people through walls without the need to cast a spell for it. i wish they had kept that enchantment.
Armor and weapons could break in Oblivion, in Skyrim everything is indestructible.
To not have to deal with durability use dawn\dusk fang
I honestly hate weapon durability, I mean, having a sword that you’re in love with, that wrecks enemies, like they’re nothing, and then it breaking. It kills me inside.
@@charlesblagden7607 what you said makes no sense in real life, nor in the old school legit hardcore elder scrolls fans. Have your watered down game that mothers and little girls can pick and and play, but leave ours alone. Even the finest weapons in real life break down, chip, flake, fold, bow, bend, or completely snap. Its realism.
@@andrewwhite1985 this isnt real life though it's a game with fucking magic and dragons...
@@aceofjayss9885 re read both of the comments. I did not say that the game was real life you silly little shit bag. Go out you're 2 cents elsewhere you illiterate fuck.
The arena is not a petty reason it's a really good reason
And so is spellcrafting
In skyrim the destruction spells are very weak, in oblivion you could annihilate people with spells, staffs, etc
couldnt agree more man skyrim destruction spells are poop
God I loved this game, still the best open world fantasty RPG game I've ever played. So vast, interesting, depth, yet so simple. Graphics blew me away in 2006, far better than all other Elder Scrolls.
No matter how much I play oblivion I could hop right back on and have a blast
People can be nice in Oblivion, and there's far less depressing scenery.
I know right. I've gotten so tired of the snow and grey stone that I can't replay it without a summer mod.
Well that's how the north looks sadly enough.
WarriorofLight i know right oblivion was actually beautiful skyrim is a depressing peice of crap the characters are as lively as the scenery
but here you could be talking about either morrowind or skyrim lol the former of which is the best in the series the latter of which is one of hte worst....
WarriorofLight that's the point dum dum it's the North. It's supposed to look depressing, if it was all sunshine and happiness!!! Then it would make no sense. Plus it wouldn't be lore friendly.
Helmets in oblivion are actually stylised paperbags.
"I love you baby, but more when the lights are out."
But oh dam the quests in oblivion make it worth every ugly head you see on the way.
I agree the facial designs are almost frightening.
@@DumDumHistory Sneakiness isn't the reason why I overuse Invisibility.
@@DumDumHistory I don't know. For the Humans, yes Skyrim was an improvement. For the Mers, oh god.... WHY.
Alt, Dun, & Bos Mer, look like Half-Dremoran monsters.
Khajiit(Betmer) look like Malnourished Bobcats :(
just install CHARACTER OVERHAUL mod it makes everyone pretty it's not realistic but better than looking at ugly potatoes
Just use mods and make the game look like skyrim. lol!
It is really petty, but I miss the journal entries your character used to write when they levelled up, or on different stages of a quest. It somehow increased the sense of adventure, and also helped me to remember wtf I was doing when I was in the middle of a quest and got distracted by 10 others. It was a more immersive and realistic way of tracking quest progress, and made the player character seem more real and relatable.
The hand to hand skill is what I miss.
When you became a vampire, you got a bonus to this skill to simulate you having claws as a vampire...
You also got bonuses to enough other skills that you were able to make a custom vampire class...
Expands a city a bit in skyrim:
*20fps tops cause the engine is syphilis in code form*
THIS
Tbh there so many issues
I still think Oblivion had a better Dark Brotherhood quest line than Skyrim.
+CaptmagiKono thats because it did.
And better characters, I never felt like my character belonged in the Dark Brotherhood in Skyrim, in Oblivion they welcomed you with open arms and it actually seemed like a close-knit family. I was so sad when they all died in Oblivion, in Skyrim it was a bit of a "meh" moment :/
@Morticia's Melody, Very much agree on all points, I actually cared for my "Brothers" and "Sisters" in Oblivion.
CaptmagiKono I agree with this. It felt much more immersive.
Was anyone else disappointed with Oblivion's DB questline? I enjoyed the run and the assassinations were much more creative, but damn, Skyrim topped that ending by miles.
For all intents and purposes, Oblivion is a true RPG. Some mechanics may be clunky, but it was a proper RPG.
Skyrim is a watered down action adventure. That shows in the following:
1. lack of a stat system. All you do is literally increase health, mana or stamina by 10 each level. This directly leads to
2. lack of specialization. In Oblivion, you had to specialize. Granted, that meant not every build was easy to pull off - but everything was possible, even Jack of all trades if you knew how. In Skyrim, you eventually become godlike in everything and can level nearly infinitely.
3. lack of engaging questlines. Skyrim may have a few, but that's really it. It's just a few compared to Oblivion.
4. lack of world interactions. The world doesn't seem to change when you do impactful things. You nailed it with the arena, what impact it has on the world when you reach all the way to the top and you know there's more ways in which the world reacts to you and what is actually happening in the world. Skyrim has close to none of that. No racism when you play a specific race (why the hell is Ulfrik's new champion a Dark Elf... or an Argonian), no real changes in the world at large other than dragons spawning...
5. races are arbitrary. This partially comes from the lack of racism towards the player character, but also from gameplay. Since you become godlike in every skill anyway, it doesn't matter what skills start out higher thanks to your racial bonus. Racial powers become obsolete fast, no real racial stat differences or other differences. Even not much of a height difference anymore. That being said... player customization in Skyrim is horrible compared to Oblivion.
6. unmodded magic is downright terrible. Subpar performance compared to fighter combat styles, lack of alternate playstyles. This boils down to both how magic works AND how you have about only 50% of the Oblivion spell effects available.
7. Enchanting is broken. Enough said. Okay, to actually expand on that, enchanting is extremely easily accessible, you only take a handful of perks because most are useless, it's much easier to enchant than in Oblivion AND you don't even have to work for it at all. Enchanting in Skyrim makes it so you walk around in fully enchanted gear basically all the time. Finding magic items is no longer special in the slightest, meaning the loot system is really only there for finding stuff to sell or more enchant effects to disassemble on the enchanting table.
When you put all these reasons together (which are SERIOUS complaints, not "petty" reasons) and you can see how Skyrim is not an RPG which makes it inherently worse and simply not what the series is supposed to be.
The racial abilities in Oblivion were pretty much always useful. I remember there were parts of dungeons that were underwater (The giant slaughterfish lair stands out to me in particular) so being an Argonian would save you from having to buy or make a water breathing potion or spell. Argonians can still breathe underwater in Skyrim but unless you fancy diving into the mostly featureless Sea of Ghosts, there's just no point. All of the other bodies of water are relatively shallow.
Another thing I liked about Oblivion is that even in the beginning shops sell very expensive enchanted stuff that you can save up for, but in Skyrim pretty much everything is easily affordable.
I would definitely consider Oblivion to be a much closer thing to an RPG than Skyrim, but calling Oblivion a true RPG would be unfair to games that allow for profound choices and where your character's skills alter the gameplay more etc.
@@gnuling296 There are no true RPG games. No RPG can emulate the feeling of a tabletop campaign played with actual human beings. No RPG can emulate the amount of choice you have and which effects your actions have on your world and the whole adventure.
No one has been able to properly replicate what true roleplaying is like in a video game. Not one game is a true RPG game.
That being said, I agree that there are other games that do a much better job at being an RPG than Oblivion. TES is mostly a game in which I have fun and dabble around - and arguably, Skyrim is better for that because it has a lot more freedom and weird builds are easier to pull off.
Add to that the fact I don't really care about the Elder Scrolls lore which basically just teaches you to be a dumb but happy citizen embracing religion as truth and you can see why that is all I do in these games. BUT, the point of the video was a direct comparison of Oblivion and Skyrim, so that was what my original comment was all about.
@@thecreator625 I don't really know how I should respond to your first paragraph, since it's not in line with your OP. It's always relative, it's true that no programmed game can offer as many choices as a game that doesn't depend on programming.
I would be interested to know why you think that Skyrim offers more freedom. I have rarely felt so stripped of freedom as in this game. That's because of the quest design, writing, NPCs, dialogue, guilds.
There are games that don't require this kind of freedom (like a platformer) but an open-world "RPG" does and Skyrim failed miserably at that. There were so many irritating, immersion breaking aspects.
I didn't make the most elaborate character but even then there were instances when there was no way for him to do a quest: like, "to progress, you need to let me enslave your soul for all eternity."
@@gnuling296 My first paragraph is a fallacy. Just like true balance cannot exist in a game (even in chess, white has 51% win rate), neither can a computer be used to construct a true RPG as we'd need to have an AI capable of fully emulating human behaviour.
No, I never said Skyrim offers more freedom overall. Aside from some quests having alternate ways of being solved (such as using pickpocket to show Camilla that both guys who woo her are total assholes), there is little freedom in the quest lines. I'm well aware of that and it's definitely one thing Oblivion did better in comparison.
I was talking about character builds specifically. Skyrim's lack of a class system allows for a lot of builds to work that would have struggled in Oblivion. That's partially because Skyrim is watered down compared to Oblivion (lack of a stat system means no worrying about how many stats your build needs).
One example for my point would be a conjuration-based swordsman. In Skyrim, you don't carry any gear, just robes and stuff. You use alteration for mage armour, then conjure two swords, one for each hand. Then you can dive into melee. Needs a bit of a boost to your mana pool, but that's it. It's that easy to get started on that build in Skyrim. In vanilla Skyrim, this build is actually STRONGER in the early game than a standard fighter who relies on physical weapons, but gets eclipsed late game by a fighter with high tier tempered and enchanted gear.
In Oblivion, you would need decent strength, fortitude, intelligence and willpower. You'd need all four of them on higher levels and not everything will be raised when you level up. Mana cost is a huge issue. And then you'd have a long wait time before you can go ahead and dive into another fight because of said mana costs. And then... normal weapons are not only easier to pull off, but more efficient, too. Unlike in Skyrim, you don't have a niche to fill when you play a conjuration-based swordsman in the same way as you would be able to in Skyrim.
THAT is what I meant. There's a lot of examples out there for builds that work in Skyrim but don't work in Oblivion. So if weird but somehow still sensible builds are your cup of tea, Skyrim makes it a lot easier for you to do that than Oblivion does.
my reason was the removal of the radiant ai. my favorite part of oblivion is the random awkward NPC dialog and you never know what to expect. i would even stop what i was doing if i heard conversation just to hear it out to see if it would be funny or not. thou in terms of character building i like morrowind the best because the entire time you are bassically an outsider who no one trusts and you have to earn the respect of everyone every step of the way and the final result of that at the end when you are finally recognized as the Neravarine was so satisfying.
In skyrim this happens in about 5 minutes
yesssss bring back stupid radiant ai (I'm not even sarcastic) .You hear the same conversation in skyrim over and over again while what you said was true. I would stop my journey when I would hear npcs talking and it was really interesting and sometimes funny to hear what they would have to say and it was always something new.
Color Pallet and visual/cultural Themes. That's why I prefer Oblivion.
And Gameplay and RPG elements, the most important things.
VunderGuy
And of course the hand to hand combat. Must punch demons till they DIE!
I honestly thought the color pallet in oblivion was too high fantasy. It's the only one in the whole series that is like that.
And the visual themes are very Tolkienian and generic.
Sure some people might prefer that but it still feels very uninspired to me especially when the games preceding and proceeding it (Morrowind and Skyrim) had very distinct and unique styles.
Like if you showed me the concept art for a ship in Skyrim I could tell you it was for Skyrim but if you showed me the ship concept art for Oblivion it could very much be from any number of fantasy properties.
Cody Bury
Good point. I personally think that’s the biggest thing that doesn’t appeal to me about the entire Elder Scrolls series. I prefer the art style from many other games.
Thrifty Nothing wrong with that.
I personally don't pay too much attention to the art style beyond the first couple of hours as long as it fits, like even in oblivion even though I think it is a bit generic fits well enough with the world Bethesda made in oblivion.
This series needs to be a rpg again. Skills have been falling by the wayside post Daggerfall. Hell a lot of things have been lost since Daggerfall. Like being able to climb!
Idk man, being able to Spider-Man your way through every area was a little bit overpowered.
@@warv6552 That's a good thing. The whole appeal of these kinds of games is to become godlike. Bethesda oddly seems to be against that. As each game they remove what they believe bugs but are actually fun. Their games get much more restrictive on this. Despite this the whole concept of Skyrim is essentially being a demigod. However there are so many things you can't do in Skyrim that you coupd do in the earier games. It doesn't make sense to me either.
@@warv6552 Not really as the climbing skill could be tied to light armor. So only thieves and assassin like characters could use it where a mage that avoids armor altogether can't because they don't learn how to climb (levitation spells for example for mages) and well I don't need to explain why a warrior cladded in metal armor can't climb.
@@ArturoPladeado exactly. Thats an rpg. It respects your roleplaying decisions it doesn't go oh does the widdle baby want to do the mahe guild with no spells?
Finally a comment I've been looking for a long time.
I'm playing Oblivion on ps3. Just finished the dark brotherhood quest. This game is awesome !!
Squall Ranger
Me too! This game is so special.
One thing I also noticed -- in Oblivion, on the PC, you attack IMMEDIATLY when you tell the game to attack, whereas on 2 different PCs, Skyrim waits about 1/4~1/2 a second before actually attacking. Now, interestingly, this isn't a problem on the PS4 version, but that was one big thing I vastly preferred in Oblivion over Skyrim: Oblivion just seemed more responsive to my inputs.
Nazeem talks like he's better than you, lol I got breezehome man get outa here you live in a bar lol XD
The best part about Skyrim's DB was Astrid's death...
Gio Yeah, killing her in the cabin instead of wasting my time with their entire boring quest line saved a lot of time lmao It's okay the first time you play it, but killing Elisif for example has no effect on the world. That's bullshit. You get IMPORTANT targets in Skyrim, but killing them has no repercussions or benefits. You complete the quest like any other and get your XP :(
426 09 i agree many aspects seem to be lacking the proper depth , I wish they would react accordingly to the dragon born
Gio yes it was
KommissarBanx You can kill the damned emperor himself, and the most that you'll hear about it is the occasional NPC one-liner about it. Almost nothing you do matters outside of the quest or questline you do it in.
Oblivion: you hit with a balloon
Skyrim:they hit with a balloon
These actually aren't that petty if you think about it, the loss of the Spellmaker felt like another "uh-oh, we better not let them make their own spells, they MIGHT break the game" moment. It's TES, breaking the game is the name of the game.
They dont wanted us to create spells because that might be op.
They gave us smithing that creates swords with over 9000 power level.
Mkay
And that didn't even make sense either, as how if you DID create an Ultra Powerful Spell, the cost(of both the Price AND the Magicka used to cast it) would be immense to where it wasn't viable to do so
lets not forget the caps on resistance if i want to turn myself into a literal slab of magic immune metal let me dont give me arbitrary bs
Don't forget how ridiculously broken the enchanting is in Skyrim compared to the unique weapons and armors.
Im watching this while playing Skyrim now all I want to do is play Oblivion and fight in the arena thanks😭
Yep
Damn, that's true ! Same here
@@jackmarston8337 Actually true I would get bored sometimes playing Skyrim so Oblivion is always a delight to come back to.