When You Resign But Your Opponent Wants To Make Sure | Ioana vs Harshika M | World Cup Youngsters
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- In the game of chess, certain terms are used differently in different countries. So, it is always nice to confirm what your opponent is trying to say, Watch the final moments of the game between Ioana Nikolishvili (Untitled) vs Harshika M (1433) from the FIDE WORLD CUP G08 - Group B, Round 1.
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Some children offer their hand and when accepted claim they are offering a draw. It's the coaches fault for teaching this trickery
exactly and thats why clear cut hand gestures should be laid out as well apart from verbal ones specially in kid tourneys.
What i learned as a kid, when my dad taught me chess, is when you concede you lay down your king. A hand stretched out can indeed be ambiguous. But looking at this position would leave no doubt that a offer for a draw can be considered bad sportmanship.
@@mangaranwow2543 good point
I was taught to resign, you fold your king to the board. This way there is no confusion by either side. You can also verbally say, "Good game. You win."
she thought she is offering a draw .. its nice she clarified ,, because these kind of trick can be very heartbrea,king
thr was a similar kids match few days ago when a kid in lost position extended her arms to ask for a draw !!!! then her opponent paused the clock to deny her repeated requests . so ideally when someone wants to resign they should clearly speak out i resign or something like that clearly , specially in a kids match. not sure if such a protocol is already there in actual play , maybe like a thumbs down gesture which the arbiter demonstrated later . also there might be a language barrier , as everyone might not speak english in these tournaments, some might have different dialects, accents etc
No, everyone should learn the damn rules before playing a tourney. If you pause clock and reach hand, it's CONFIRMED resignation. You can only say 'draw?' When offering draw request. No extending hands during the request. And even if you speak a different language it's not hard to say 'draw'
@@Chessplayer81837 did u even watch the video fully or read this comment properly before commenting ?? ?? look @ 4.43 she didnt even pause the clock first , she just extended her arms ..... what does it indicate ? also like i said there was a match before where a kid simply extended her arms in a losing position without pausing the clock and said draw which the other player didnt understand !!! what does tht indicate ??? also there are many people who cannot say draw in american or UK english or even neutral english because of their accent or dialect or mti. etc and that is understanable. which is why some sort of a thumbs down or level hand gestures should be there to indicate a resignation or a draw with or without pausing the clock as an additonal step , particularly for kid games.
@jaguarunleashed4935 bro I was talking generally
@jaguarunleashed4935 and btw yes if they can't say draw then they should tel the opponent beforehand
@@Chessplayer81837 everyone knows that already and even im talking generally but in kids matches there are confusions many a times where they dont follow these rules properly. so its better to put in a hand gesture as well apart from verbal ones for better communication like the arbiter did in the end.
yeah, heard about this before, some people trick by doing a handshake and saying it was for a draw 😂
A simple, language free system can fix this. As the hand is offered the other hand points down meaning 'I resign', or points horizontally meaning 'draw?'.
The way it was done in the tournament I did was that we put the king sideway
I think my tournament were under fide rule so it's most likely legal
Loanas cutest resignation is priceless!!
its Ioana
I think if someone raises out their hand by themselves thats always resignation only.
For draw offer they will say "draw?" from mouth. And if other player raises out their hand that means he is accepting the draw and then the players handshake and thats a draw.
Another way to make out a draw offer is that it happens immediately after the player made his move.
But players resign usually during their own move
thats normally the case with adults but with kids its not that simple. also language barrier is there. in almost every second kids' games u will see that the arbiter gets called in often to clarify things.
Come on organisers, children are having to stand and reach out for the pieces. Make the tables, boards and chairs accessible.
Oh my god! children doing physical exercise. What a shame.
@@guillaumehuet-yw3tm calling incomfort "physical exercise" LOL
@@ismbks you may be old and broken but these kids are not.
@@guillaumehuet-yw3tm not old enough to consider standing up physical exercise
@@ismbks The word you were looking for was "discomfort". In any case, it is technically accurate to refer to this as physical exercise. Go troll elsewhere, thanks.
Funny when people say these kids who can learn notations, learn complicated openings, understand complex patterns , cannot learn to say Draw or Resign.....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 If u do not want to draw a game, never accept a handshake unless the person who offers the handshake stops (not press) the clock. Making the move, hitting the clock and extending the hand in a losing position to confuse the opponent is a dirty trick which certain coaches teach the kids
It's probably a language barrier so kids trying to learn draw and resign in 50 languages might be a bit more than nessecarry, knock over the king and that's resign leave them standing that's draw
Cutest Resignation I've Ever Seen ❤️
I´m suffering for the lack of shaking hands
So some fake resign and offer a draw. I wonder why she did not tip the king on it's side.
I think our national level coaches should teach children some basic stuff like extending hands for resignation and not hold pieces on board while thinking for long (as in 3:26)
it was not clear if it was resignation or asking for a draw thats why she asked..there is nothing wrong in that and also its very common to hold the piece ..its not illegal..once you leave the piece you cant change so its fine..
Nothing wrong in holding the piece. You can hold it for as long as you want
@@hampten23 yes but it's also not very nice, to interfere a hand on the board for long as your opponent is trying to visualise calculations in his/her mind
Some things like the spirit of the game can't be forcefully enforced and so empathy should be encouraged!
@@catalanicsurya3089 such a snowflake
@@catalanicsurya3089 It sounds stupid. They don't hold it for ages to be of any trouble. They see the position very clearly all the time except for like 10 seconds at most, are you talking about a spirit of your own awkwardness?
they should put a colored card instead like red for resign and yellow for draw. Not a lot know this but some coaches YES SOME teach a trick of extending your hand then claiming that you are offering a draw after.
Not sure what that is supposed to achieve. In the end it'll be word against word and the arbiters most definitely won't rule it to be a draw.
@@skaarphy5797 for younger players only and on big tournaments only where there are a lot of players playing all at the same time. For everything to be clear and no need for further discussions after. Like what happened here. Also to avoid language barriers. I’ve been in big tournaments where 100 plus players play at the same time. So not all can be monitored.
Don't you have to turn off the clock when it's your turn and then extend your hand to signal resignation?
Yea ideally
@@jaguarunleashed4935 Well, why isnt this a rule in general? Simply turn off the clock when its your move leaves no speculation.
@@buk0100 yea exactly shud be that way . In kid games too much confusion is prevailing every other game. One recent game had quite some controversy regarding the clock as well, from a player in completely lost position.
Congratulations Harshika🧡🧡
After decades of professional chess, we're still having this issue. Why don't they end all this ambiguity and have a verbal confirmation. "I offer a draw" or "I resign" so that we stop having this silliness.
because theres a language barrier
What is "I resign" in tagalog?
But the girl was against the rule of moving you're pieces with a pen in you're hand
Futures in Making 😘
Let's shake hands, I accept your resignation.
4:39
When you resign you should stop the clock first.
All of the comments are talking about ways to help kids signify a resignation versus a draw. This may sound a little cliche, but if the typical fashion is too confusing or doesn’t work, why not just do what I think everyone did when they were a kid or first learning and just tip the king over?
Нет чтоб сделать отдельный жест для поражения и предложения ничьи.
Smart kid.
She could have faked a resign with a draw and start crocodiles tears 😂
That's what we call trust issues 😂
or being a fing immigrant
In this case the paranoia is justified. Players have tried to sneak in draws like that.
She didn't pause the clock so it could be considered kffer of draw. She should have paused clock if she resigning
Resigns at 4:39
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When you resign, you should lay down your king
gg
Doesn't knocking down your king indicate you resign?
mainly in Hollywood
@@rauljosegarcia Yet it does, althought it is maybe a bit too old-fashioned.
After c2 she could have played Rd1 !
Ioanna not Ioana... fix it please
Hermosos los 2 , en buena ley
Could have played rook d8 or rd8 trade rook and win queen instead of taking pawn
I thought you tip your king and then offer a handshake when you resign? Everyone is saying to stop the clock, but don't you tip the king?
There isn't a universal way to resign (maybe there should be). I tend to lay my king down, where my opponent would usually extend his hand and mutter "good game".
Tipping the king is seen as overly dramatic. The general rule of thumb is to stop the clock if you are resigning. If you let your time keep running while you extend your hand, then most would see that as a draw offer because if the draw offer is rejected then you still have to take your turn so you should keep your timer running. But if you stop your timer without making a move, then it is clear that you have resigned
@@phaedrus000 Tipping the King seems pretty traditional and obvious, IMO, but yeah, the clock way sounds pretty clear cut. Why isn;'t there a clear-cut rule about something prone to problems?
The video starts with a little booger snack 😂
The cildren is a excellent🎉🎉🎉
Lucu ... 😂❤
She could have took the rook it was free the boy did a mistake
Alguien me explica plis en español
Take the rook and that's a win for black
she is so cute 😍
Cutee😍😍😍
🧠✍️🥇🥈🇮🇳
Why you need to check and see if someone is resigning?
Sometimes they can offer a draw too, which is why he was confirming whether she is resigning or offering a draw
@@king_of_badassnessboth r girls
No draw isn't offered like that. This was clearly resigning only. Unprompted raising the hand is always resignation
@@sstlearner666 thanks for the unwanted info👍
because differing language skills may lead to confusion
clever girl trying to draw the game lol
No English, that's the problem...ojo con eso!!!
0:54 wth why didn’t she take a6 rook it was hanging bru
Edit 1: I just realized that the boy could’ve promoted pawn
First
So what
In that tournament? Congratulations 🎉
🥇 lele bhai
teach your son what you do when someone put out their hand . jesus