Wire Cable vs Synthetic Winch Rope
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ธ.ค. 2012
- Find out some of the differences between wire cable and synthetic winch rope, and why not all synthetic winch ropes are the same.
✴️ For more visit:
www.meanmother.com.au
✴️ Purchase your Mean Mother 4x4 Winch here
meanmother.com.au/products/me... - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
![ช่วยพาฉันผ่านเวลา - วสันต์17 [Official MV]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/HFnntWoqc54/mqdefault.jpg)
If you have bought an ARB bumper, I'm pretty sure Weight savings is of no concern.....
Happy with steel cable. I spray it every few months with lanolin to keep rust away. Don’t have to worry about UV exposures, getting a abraided on rocks or washing it.
Everybody seems to parrot the old "syn line just falls to the ground when it breaks" bologna. Obviously you've never actually seen one break. I have. Had mine break last month. It whipped 20' of line into the tree I was winching to. It hit hard enough to take bark off the trunk! Yes, cable would've hit harder, but don't be fooled, that rope would've left a nice welt.
In places like Australia very soft dirt and mud here in Arizona all hard rock and gravel. Steel can sit for years in the sun and it will work the same. What I don't like about steel is if you get some small wires brake offs cut the crap out of your hands trying to pull it out.
Never run or slide your hand along a steel winch cable, wear riggers gloves, like it says in the instruction booklet, problem solved.
Great information... I’m looking to buy and was wondering which to choose
this video was very helpful and too the point while remaining entertaining. Thanks!
I've had a Warn 12k winch for over 20 years. After 15 years of hard pulls for the sake of safety I replaced the cable due to 1 frayed strand right on the drum. I cut the cable short of the damaged strand. Used cable clamps to put a hook on both ends. Now I have 120' of extra cable. 20 years old still working strong. Every synthetic rope I've seen used on friends rigs have failed. My steel line always worked and got me unstuck. Wash the winch line 😂😂😂 I laugh!
Sean Quinlan hhgv 0
My brother used synthetic on his atv winch. Spent a few hours at -20 trying to get that frozen blob of ice to unspool. I'll use the wire.
Nice FJ 40 Mate!
Niece patrol
Wash in cold on Normal wash normal spin with like colors. Tumble dry low. Do not bleach or iron. Remove hooks before washing...
lol!
Wire rope ftw. It’s still used in the log woods so I’m sticking with it too.
Broke my synthetic line 2 times.... moving to steel cable again never had a break
UPHMW fiber doesn't exist. What you're wishing to say is UHMW-PE fiber. I know all those letters get confusing for someone that's not "into" plastics. Ultra High Molecular Weight Polyethylene is what the acronym stands for. If you've ever worked with it in solid form, it's extremely tenacious stuff. I believe only Kevlar is stronger, but it doesn't have the yield (stretch) of the UHMW. Didn't know there was a cable alternative, thank so much for your video...
I have to asked when did they stop making cable clamps i have repaired steel cable a few times?
I have broke steel cable numerous times. I repaired it on the spot and continued on. Like anything else, you just have to learn how to fix it.
Lots of falsities here.
Rope stretches and stores as much energy as cable and will certainly whip backward just like cable.
It’s no more safer for anyone around if it snaps.
Also you can always cut off broken or damaged cable and reattach it to the hook if you carry the stuff to do that.
It doesn’t need meticulous care. Just keep it clean so sand and grit doesn’t wear at it internally.
dynamic/static rope.... what we talkin here?
I think synthetic rope is great, but the cable lasts longer and is cheaper to replace.
Wash my rope I hardly wash my truck lol
i was thinking the same thing when i saw him do that
lol
What about the life span of synthetic rope? Should I replace it frequently?
There have been great strides made in synthetic ropes over the past few years. One main point is rotting in the sun;....this risk has been greatly reduced, ( at least I have been told by one major Fishing equipment supplier ) It is also a non-stretching rope too, and is why it is used in this industry.
Non- whipping is also another terrific safety benefit of synthetic rope. Heat,...as we all know heat is a real enemy of polyester and nylon , it will simply melt. The rope I have bought now=, called 'Dynice ( pronounced dee neece ) will not melt at all with open flame.
I am a firm believer in synthetic rope and will rarely ever use steel /wire rope again.
Synthetic is non scracht resistant.When its scratch under load on a tree,wood or the ground it wear out fast.
My atv broke down not too long ago and someone pulled me from my winch and as soon as the first pull went down it's snapped lol I was so sad because it was just the weight of me and my atv, it wasn't even stuck in the mudd. Anyways, metal rusts and I feel like a synthetic rope would be nice.
If you kept a cover of somekind over it to shield from the sun how long might it be good for?
Who knows? That's the problem.
Could that Nissan not get a better set of tires? Man, those have zero grip.
so the 11 kilos weight savings can be spent on that second poser snorkel..
Wire or rope ,constant service (inspection) is necessary to prevent accidents.
get metal. if you get a strong enough winch/cable you dont have to worry about breaking. just be smart. who the hell wants to worry about washing a rope and worrying about the sun hurting it. also out on the ranch to pull trees i dont want synthetic rubbing on the group getting torn up. idk why they are pushing for synthetic. 20lbs weight saving? woopty doo
Well if I'm the guy pulling the cable I would really appreciate the lighter dynema.... And yes it is safer....
But if course you are right in working situations..... In recreational 4x4 I prefer short cable to the winch and lots of dynema to reach out if needed....
Of course you watch this video and most of them don't know how to drive up Hill lol.... Tires spinning wildly lack of control
That Hill shouldn't need a winch at all except for safety...... It's something how few people find their way into clubs and never learn how to get traction and keep it
Because it costs more so they make more money and it has to be replaced quite often. I am still using my 40 + yr old cable on my Ramsey 8000 lb winch and it has never broke. And it is not true that rope is 1.5 times stronger then cable..the Cable is stronger then the rope especially when the rope gets dirt and water in it.
@@breadcrums7853 RAMSEY..Now's there's a winch. I had a RAMSEY 8000Lb winch solenoid malfunction & freeze on when winching on the free cable and it popped the hook and cable swage right off the end of the cable without really slowing down when it tried to pull the hook through the fairlead rollers, powerful.
40 kilos for steel cable? That is 90 lbs. I believe the shipping weight for my winch and cable was 80 lbs. This is for a 9000 lbs winch with 100 feet of cable. Where did you come up with these numbers?
I never thought about weight different between wire and synthetic rope that makes it a no brainer plus the wire gets internal breaks over time and those lose wires can hurt you.
washing rope?????? I barely see through my windshield, because was not washed for months
Lol, I'm hearing you. I get excited about dheema rope until the dreaded 'wash' word gets mentioned.
What's the idea of having your radio antennae mounted on your bull bar?
Ease of mounting, most Australian bullbars come with tabs welded on for such a purpose. Pity it's against Australian vehicle design rules that don't allow protrusions from on top of the bullbar that could be a pedestrian hazard or obstruct the drivers view and render the vehicle unroadworthy & defectable.
That was like 2 good things and like 5-10 negative of the rope. ?
Being that it's a lot lighter, wouldn't the weight for weight comparison of 15x stronger mean a small amount of wire cable be as strong as a large stack of synthetic rope to equal the weight/strength of the wire cable? That's like saying my 100 pounds of feathers is just as heavy as your 100 pounds of iron weights. Well sure they are both 100 pounds, but it would take a massive amount of feathers to equal the weight vs a smaller amount of iron.
Just a comment: Dyneema rope should withstand UV very well, this is not however the case with Kevlar ropes. Those should be protected well for UV.
SOOoooo ,,,, being a Road Crane Operator for years ,,, Why don't we EVER see recovery vehicles ( Wreckers) or Construction cranes use Synthetic rope , That are lifting Millions of dollars of steel and equipment , 100"s of feet in the air ,,, with countless life under the lift as a liability ?
Maintenance and cost.
BeSatori theres literally less maintenance and cost for synthetic line....it’s simply not as strong
Beg to Differ, Samson has been offering K-100 hoisting/lifting line for cranes since 4 years ago and has been catching on for a lot of small cranes and some medium size ones.
S & R Towing uses synthetic rope.
It's taking a while to catch on and the cost is higher.
nd if ur driving n offroad vehicle chances are ur not that concerned about weight
i like wire, in Western Australia you go with that rope up North for few weeks on average +38C or more hehhe you done .
Bulldust. 2 U-clamps can join a broken cable together. Carry those with you always, about $6. Winding the cable back on the drum might be ok, but you might have to remove the U-clamps depending on how you do it. As for the weight (mass), who frickin' cares? You are winching. The absence of stretch in synthetic seems not right to me and might be a worry too, as a bit of stretch is definitely good. I think a salesman isn't the person to trust on these things. I'd like to see some experienced people tell us. And as for washing the synthetic, umm, what! Give it a cuddle and bed it down for the night too? And say nigh-night cable, see you tomorrow!!
Wire winch rope can be joined in the field if it snaps. You unwind half the strands and form a loop with the other strands and wind the strands into the matching grooves on each side of the cable. Do the same with the other side after passing both sides through the loop you first made, tape off the tailing strands and you should be right, better than trying to tie a knot in cable but that maybe an option as a last resort. One huge downside with synthetic rope is it is not abrasion resistant & won't survive being pulled over sharp rocks & it's bulky and you cannot get anywhere near as much on the drum as opposed the wire cable, I'll take wire cable on my WARN winches every time.
lets not forget you are not supposed to run a syn rope through a snatch block either
I Just do not see how the hell this could be stronger. Why is this not a option on heavy duty winches such as the warn 16.5ti and others?
Because it's tensile strength is higher. And maybe because steel wire is cheaper, or it might be because they know that people will buy a rope eventually, and get a bit more money out of you.
Zachary Radestock nope you will NEVER see a crane or towtruck run Synthetic rope and that is for a reason.
Not sure which part of my comment your 'nope' was aimed at.
And I can also think of reasons why rope wouldn't be used on cranes and or recovery trucks.
Zachary Radestock sorry was in a hurry to get going this morning.The nope was for me going to rope over wire. I have been wheeling for a very long time and when it is my truck hanging off the side of a mountain in the snow ect I will never trust rope to hold a 8000lb truck.
I wish so bad that I lived in America and could go offroading (as us Brits call it), in the vast countryside you've got!
We have way too many miserable buggers over here who are against it. Went a bit off topic there... And I have I agree with you! Althought the rope has better tensile strength it certainly doesn't have the resistance cable does too rubbing on trees and rocks. I have rope on my winch and although its super easy to unreel now, it's already getting frayed - and it's a pain in the arse to clean!
1:50 Synthetic rope on a roller fairlead?
This combination doesn't need to be bad provided the fairlead isn't dinged up or grooved from steel.
I live in Florida. ..have a synthetic cable...it's lasted a few years...opinions...it's wouldn't go steel
I think synthetic has been way over-hyped. Yes, it's lighter and more pleasant to work with, but I think those are the only clear benefits. It may be stronger under LABORATORY conditions, but in off road use it sure seems to be more prone to failure than steel. Videos of winch lines failing are ten (maybe twenty) to one synthetic, so it's a good thing it stores less energy. I suspect the average user is much more likely to experience a failure with synthetic than steel which sort of negates its "safety" attributes (a flying winch line isn't the only potential hazard if the line snaps in use). Everything about off roading is bad for it: UV, mud/dirt/dust/sand, sharp edges, rock abrasion, heat, and cold (it'll turn into a useless block of ice on the drum). It's high maintenance and damn expensive, particularly if you have to replace it every few years. Neither will tolerate straight abuse, but I think steel is more reliable in the real world, and certainly more tolerant of doing actual work with your winch beyond recreational four wheeling.
Wash the rope and keep it out of sun but its stronger? I will stick with my steel cable, I hate washing my vehicle, damn sure ain't washing a rope on day off
You forgot to talk about heat and rope...
he also forgot the part about how synthetic rope loses half it's strength when wet.
It all comes down to the use.
thewhistler Why's that? I see no reason.
looses strength when wet? Might want to warn the cargo ship companies that have long been equipping their ships with synthetic lines. shows how much a dummy someone like you are assuming it loses strength when wet which is not true, I rather be able to retrieve my synthetic line than loose a steel line when it SINKS which thus cost money to replace, synthetic is superior despite price and minor pitfalls.
I call bull! "with wire rope if it breaks you have to wait for someone..." HA, I have nothing but cork cored wire rope on my tow truck. I can easily do a 5 minute repair and get back to business with it. Dont gotta wait on no body.
Apparently I'm the only one who can tie a knot in a steel cable.
Yeah I know lol
It splices the same way rope does is more work sure but it can be done and dynema lots of postpone don't know how except to tie it back together lol
I can do the two loop method. Not hard once you know how.
After all the nice "mathematical facts" of synthetic VS steel rope aside, this video is very flawed. It shows people driving and winching simultaneously when using the magical synthetic rope which is "1.5 x times stronger then steel" BUT the bloke never seems to notice it. No matter what type of rope your winch is fitted with, when you are winching and driving and the truck kicks back from no tension back to full tension, the tension on the winch and/or rope can be up to 5 times more then the safe working load. STOP talking safety before you know all the facts, this video is a good example of marketing without knowledge. Would you trust this guy?
I really wish people would learn about elastic forces and tension on materials. I've seen synthetic rope snap back with considerable force. And even in a few of the clips they have in the video, you can see synthetic ropes snapping back with considerable force.
gcaptain.com/dyneema-fiber-double-duty-tow-tie-stricken-modern-express/
After having to WINCH my front suspension back together on a trail repair i will only use steel. Track bar bracket sheared off my frame so use chain and my winch cable in an X pattern on my front suspension to drive out. Only had half steering in each direction but enough to get out. A synthetic would have sliced and rubbed through with as may sharp edges it was rubbing against on my bumper, axle and frame
My SidexSide would rip up those hills no winch needed. lol
Until it gets bogged up to roof in the swamp on the other side of the hill, SXS's all need a WARN winch.
nies patrol
There are reasons that yellow iron and wreckers use steel rope. Just sayin...
synthetic winch cable sucks it cost 5x what steel cable costs and despite the weight carrying over steel it does not resist getting ripped up on sharp rocks like steel ...lol...build a better rig and you don't need to pull cable enough to care about the Cable weight like you do winching every 100ft .
...and you don't get steel spurs in your hands from synthetic.
But I'll stick to steel. Get it strong enough and keep the kinks out and it lasts forever...even dirty and in the sun.
I throw my coat over the line.
Synthetic ropes do break and they do recoil. You are WRONG. They can still hurt and kill people if they break! They might be safer if they do break, but are more likely of breaking.
Synthetic all the way!!! If you break it it can be easily repaired in the field quickly and it’s safer all around!!!
So can wire cable if it parts.
Dusty Farmer still too many negatives having or using steel cable! Synthetic rope is too cheap these days to not change to it.
Dusty Farmer hell I have a spare 50’ of it I keep im my tool kit and takes up very little room!
@@outdoorzone You can run synthetic rope, I see no reason to change to an inferior product like synthetic rope, I would if it was a better option but it's not. I've seen it in use and I wouldn't own it. I run only WARN winches with wire cable on all my 4X4's & Polaris RZR SxS and Honda ATV and Factor55 recovery gear so upfront establishment cost is the least concerning issue for me when it comes to quality self recovery gear that I can trust. The only place for Dyneema is on my fishing reels.
Dusty Farmer ha ha! I strongly disagree! Not sure what synthetic ropes you’ve seen or used? I use the newest material not like 12strand dyneema or others like it. They aren’t as good as far as durability !The type I run I have made several pulls on my 3500 and 4500 winch...pulled everything from my 1800 lb sxs tofull size trucks with it out of deep mud and at several distances inclines declines you name it! No issues whatsoever and my 4500 winch had over 100 pulls on it and the guy I sold it to over a year says it’s still working perfect! The rope I used and still use is called spidersilk made with Poly-paraphenylene terephthalamide (kevlar)! 1/4” diameter high tensile with 8,000 breaking strength, high abrasion resistant, fire resistant , cut resistant! And is guaranteed for 3 yrs! Dyneema and others like it aren’t as good as what’s out there now! Like you said it’s good fishing line!
all I have to say is NO
one should never use synthetic rope, why do think big wreckers don't use it cause they know better never trust synthetic rope espesilly wen ur life is on the line....
You are very wrong i own 4 winches grom 12,000 pound to 2500 the biggest mistake i done is getting my steal cable swap to rope i am f.king dumb any sharp edges will ruin your day be smart do not swap it i have used wibchws since i was little i should it kbown better.
I smell bullshit
Ok video but a wire rope when broken can be repaired with NO tools other than your hands and some black tape. it's called a molly hogan. if you break a syn line and don't know how to splice and tie knots instead you lose about 65% percent of capacity. other thing about your video why so much wheelspin and over driving your line?
FRUITY SHIT... DO THEY MAKE IT IN PINK
tony terry -> they do make it in pink because I have one.
Whatever ! Steel is way better and won't cut on a rock.
Just a bunch of BS🤣🤣
CABLE IS MUCH BETTER THAN SYNTHETIC 👍
What are you doing here? Didn't I see you over on Bruce Wilson's channel?
its so funny how this guy will strait up lie to your face lol synthetic rope is actually weaker then steel wire much weaker ! it doesn't matter what kind of synthetic rope they use its all weaker then steel wire ! these guys wouldn't be the first to lie in order to make a buck lol
Dynema is stronger than steel
Is a fact... However everything in life is about tradeoffs.... Dynema can't handle abrasion like steel wire
Pros of steel
Abrasion resistant low maintenence
Load it in your spool and forget it until you need it
Cons of steel
Corrosion
More Difficult to splice
Heavy and stiff to handle
Can cut the hands
Pros of dynema
Stronger
Lighter
More flexible
Easier to splice
Cons of dynema
Lots of care required
Cuts easy
Must replace more often
Difficult to tell if it's unserrvicable
Its asl a pro con thing
I prefer chain
How about throwing chain in the mix lol
In reality I prefer dynema because I don't need a winch just a couple poles and make a Spanish windlass or Chinese windlass..... It's lighter to carry and move around and it's more satisfying to accomplish a pull using elbow grease
Also I don't get stuck like others do lol
A lot of people don't even think about how Covered wagons came out west..... They did not carry everything they would need it was just not possible.
They made rope along the way made tools along the way cut wood to make levers tripods cranes lifts and all manner of tool... The most important thing they brought was knowledge and common sense the latter is hard to find these days
But yeah for Comercial work is chains and cables
Bullshit
.