There’s a zero-cost way of comparing A v B aero performance called the “Chung method”, which you can google, instead of guessing. New *frame* is more aero, but old complete bike is more aero because well hidden rim brakes beat disc brakes (on aero performance). Also, as others have pointed out the old Speedmax has tiny holes in the aero spacers that you’re supposed to route the Di2 cables through. There is no pinching of the Di2 cables if you set the bike up the way it is designed. 🤪 Would be good if Taren started the video by saying “my sponsor Canyon is stuck with a lot of old stock, so I’m going to find all the reasons why you should do them a favour” 😂
Obviously it’s super tricky to compare these two bikes in this style. Wind speed can change, Taren’s positioning looks different (as he talks about), traffic conditions or something simple like taking a slightly different path can all adjust time. I think his point of them both still being good bikes is valid and I like the other bike detail comparisons. Great video Taren! 👍
On the brake topic: as you mention, most of the time in a triathlon, you are not breaking, so it should be a non-issue. However, as you also mention, most of the time we are riding outside training on open roads, not competing on a close circuit. That extra braking performance may be the difference between avoiding a sudden obstacle or not.
*Looked at a lot of options for getting my **Latest.Bike** . Great find in SAVA. Super light, nice components, really good value as it comes with many options only found in much higher priced bikes.*
I’ve been leaning toward canyon for my TT, and have contemplated this decision. The older rim brake models listed are $8599 for the 9.0 (zipp dura ace config) and $5500 (DT Swiss ultegra Di2). At the end of the day I decided on the $8000 CF SLX disc when it releases later this year because of geometry, they’ve fixed a few big fitment issues, it has rim brakes, and most importantly it looks faster with its integrated hydration, and we all know the faster it looks the faster you finish. FWIW I’m also considering Felt IA. Kinda crazy that the price to play for disc brake, electronic group set and decent wheel is $7-8000
How do you like it? I am thinking about getting the same bike CF SLX disc. Any feedback on integrated hydration system? How about the hydraulic brakes? Thanks!
A big reason for not saving watts is it was a mid range new speed max vs a high end old speed max. Also i guess their testing in windtunnel is in aero position not in sitting up right. Still, i love ur videos and i really like the content!
This was pretty awesome actually. Very fair appraisal between the two models. I've always loved your deep dives into equipment with a budget mindset. Even if budget isn't a concern, most people care about value and practicality. Well done!
You can (and should) actually route the cable through the tiny holes underneath the arm pads and down the walls of the spacers so it doesn’t get pinched by the water bottle on the old speedmax. It’s a great design and well thought out by the canyon engineers.
My 2009 specialized transition TT bike will be racked at Kona this fall 10/09/2021. My final 140. Then i will increase my IM volunteering as moto crew driver for head referee Jimmy Riccitello. My salary cannot afford modern triathlon equipment.
Good review tbf. I own the 2019 Speedmax CF SLX that was in the video. It’s true that I’ve had to customise the front end to suit me and get more aero and comfortable. One thing I will say about Canyon though, is that their after sales customer service is excellent. I’ve been sent two additional sets of aero bars, various spacers, angled spacers, hydration system parts etc free of charge. Really excellent service.
@@timvanmonero2720 I guess they just look after their customers well when you’ve bought a £6-7k bike. They’ll want to retain them and these are small/cheap parts which they can easily send you
I have the Speedmax 2019 for 1,5 years now. I like it very much! I would recommend it. Very interesting video. Great to see the differences. I was thinking that with 730 bucks savings you can buy a great comfortable Wetsuit for example. About the second bottle, tip: bottles behind saddle works for me. Keep going strong Taren, love your inspiration.
If you ever race a technical course in bad weather you'll want those disks! IMUK a couple of weeks ago was in a monsoon and disk brakes were the only reason I didnt bin it on the descent off sheep house.
On the topic of breaks, I'm afraid I have to disagree. It is true that a caliper bike probably is faster in good weather and flat surfaces. However, if you race in rainy weather, you would be surprised to experience how bad brakes can be while legal. In warm and hilly conditions, you can experience overheating (partly dependent on your weight). A disc bike will perform well in all conditions and make you feel more confident. Disc breaks are not about performance as an amateur but enjoyment.
@@xwing8675 Understandable :) I am yet to ride my TT-Bike in the rain but in the dry, the breaking power of the rim breakes is sufficient to lock up the wheels at close to 40 km/h, so rim breaks are enough for me
You have your Di2 cables routed incorrectly and that is why there is risk in pinching. The cables are supposed to go through the top spacer. There is a small slit for them to go through and then they stay recessed in the channels of the spacers.
You can’t compare the Speedmax cf slx to the Speedmax cf. it would have to be the Speedmax cf slx vs cfr, and Speedmax cf vs Speedmax cf 2021. The older Speedmax slx is probably still faster than the new cf cause the cf isn’t the top model. They also haven’t changed the cockpit on the Speedmax cf from 2 years ago it’s just more adjustable because it’s not as aggressive as the higher end slx model. The Newer model is only more expensive than the slx model because it comes with ETap and zipp wheels while the slx comes with ultegra and dt Swiss wheels
Excellent review. So helpful. Thank you so much, Taren! You answered so many of my questions in such a short time. I can only afford one bike for training and racing and have been doing triathlons for 8 years as an age-grouper. I am actually starting to think that I need good aerobars on a Canyon roadbike...Makes sense? would you have a recommendation by chance?
Some incorrect info. The CF vs CF-SLX base bar/cockpit height. SLX & CFR has always had the lower the cockpit in comparison to the CF which is higher. This is true across the old models right upto the 2022 ones.
Agreed ! I even ended up buying the female model just because of the value for money 😂 3,5k with dt Swiss wheels and di2 derailleur … it’s like I was offered the frame for that price !
@@hypercarspottinggr I bought an M but It was the last one as I remember.. funny thing is that apart the colour the geometry of both male and female are the same
@@hypercarspottinggr I also bought M, got one of the last ones available. I'm 1,79m and pretty happy with that, but I also have scolliosis, so I can't go that agressive positionwise, otherwise I'd probably prefer S
I did exactly this and bought the 2020 model, great bike but one watch out, the frame is 9x130 mm rear axle and not the standard 10 x 130mm did not notice this and now not sure if I can find a trainer that it will fit. The new bike as standard 12x142mm through bolts. Worth consider if you like me spend the winter indoors training.
I own the exact same new canyon. My 2 cents is that it’s a slow bike at low speeds. The bike wants to go fast! Basically once you get it up to speed over 20 mph the bike just takes off. Not scientific but just how it feels riding it.
I have a bunch of data on my own bike (a felt) I need less power on my aluminum shallow training wheels under 32 km/hr. Above 32 I put out less power per speed. At low speeds weight is king. At high speeds aero is king.
Taren, abother thing that could potentially ruin your aerodynamics is your filming equipment and how you are holding this ;-). In the footage you show early in the first minutes, you clearly hold the filmstick completely differently in both cases (and frankly much worse in the second ride from an aerodynamics standpoint I think ) ... or am I mistaken?
You'll never convince me that disc brakes are worth it on a tri bike. Way too many things to get messed up during transit to a race and how much are we really braking during a Tri?
it disgusts me to see 150W equaling 30km/h while riding hoods. wtf?!??! okay, i'm overweight with 130KG. but i sit in aerobars (not that low tho), smashing 230W and avg 32km/h. i'm aware that skinny people in aerobars with 230W will avg 37km/h. i'm jealous.
This is a very biaised, non objective and ridiculous comparison. You are comparing the top range model of the previous version with an inferior model of the 2020 version... obviously, the cockpit is poorly aero, the aerobars are not the new model, there are cables... come on... the former model is great, but if you do a comparison, do it properly please, not just because Canyon ask you to
Canyon doesn't even sell bikes, who are you kidding. Also trying to sell a TT bike for canyon because it's all they have for sale is pointing 99% of people in the wrong direction. People don't realize how uncomfortable a TT bike is.
Pretty short sighted opinion. TT bikes don't have to be uncomfortable and if people are investing in tri for the long haul, it is absolutely not the wrong direction. Taren constantly recommends clip ons to new people, but when someone graduates out of dabbling in triathlon, the TT model is the better option. Not just for aerodynamics but for practically of shifting, feeding, and position for power execution. Here you are again talking shit... Without fall here comes C whip speaking to things he knows nothing about.
@@EverythingIsPhotogenic I just hate tarens blatant push for canyon TT bike sales since clearly it is all canyon has to offer at the moment, especially since they "released" in canada, where taren and I are from, with practically zero offerings besides their old tri bikes. I also dislike his uneducated opinions on nutrition. And I also dislike you.
@@LR6092 you certainly dislike a lot of things from a lot of people. How about you start your own channel if you know so much... But that of course, would take more than the lazy effort commensurate with remaining subscribed to people just to denigrate them in the comments.
@@EverythingIsPhotogenic I'm too focused on my own training to try and help others unfortunately but I do a good job of it in my own circles. If the others your referring to are nick bare the guy who sells snake oil and takes PED and doesn't post his stats then yes, him too, and if you support him then shame on you.
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There’s a zero-cost way of comparing A v B aero performance called the “Chung method”, which you can google, instead of guessing. New *frame* is more aero, but old complete bike is more aero because well hidden rim brakes beat disc brakes (on aero performance).
Also, as others have pointed out the old Speedmax has tiny holes in the aero spacers that you’re supposed to route the Di2 cables through. There is no pinching of the Di2 cables if you set the bike up the way it is designed. 🤪
Would be good if Taren started the video by saying “my sponsor Canyon is stuck with a lot of old stock, so I’m going to find all the reasons why you should do them a favour” 😂
Obviously it’s super tricky to compare these two bikes in this style. Wind speed can change, Taren’s positioning looks different (as he talks about), traffic conditions or something simple like taking a slightly different path can all adjust time.
I think his point of them both still being good bikes is valid and I like the other bike detail comparisons. Great video Taren! 👍
On the brake topic: as you mention, most of the time in a triathlon, you are not breaking, so it should be a non-issue. However, as you also mention, most of the time we are riding outside training on open roads, not competing on a close circuit. That extra braking performance may be the difference between avoiding a sudden obstacle or not.
*Looked at a lot of options for getting my **Latest.Bike** . Great find in SAVA. Super light, nice components, really good value as it comes with many options only found in much higher priced bikes.*
I’ve been leaning toward canyon for my TT, and have contemplated this decision. The older rim brake models listed are $8599 for the 9.0 (zipp dura ace config) and $5500 (DT Swiss ultegra Di2). At the end of the day I decided on the $8000 CF SLX disc when it releases later this year because of geometry, they’ve fixed a few big fitment issues, it has rim brakes, and most importantly it looks faster with its integrated hydration, and we all know the faster it looks the faster you finish. FWIW I’m also considering Felt IA. Kinda crazy that the price to play for disc brake, electronic group set and decent wheel is $7-8000
How do you like it? I am thinking about getting the same bike CF SLX disc. Any feedback on integrated hydration system? How about the hydraulic brakes? Thanks!
A big reason for not saving watts is it was a mid range new speed max vs a high end old speed max. Also i guess their testing in windtunnel is in aero position not in sitting up right. Still, i love ur videos and i really like the content!
This was pretty awesome actually. Very fair appraisal between the two models. I've always loved your deep dives into equipment with a budget mindset. Even if budget isn't a concern, most people care about value and practicality. Well done!
You can (and should) actually route the cable through the tiny holes underneath the arm pads and down the walls of the spacers so it doesn’t get pinched by the water bottle on the old speedmax. It’s a great design and well thought out by the canyon engineers.
Taren, I just purchased the older model last week! Should be here tomorrow! Can’t wait!!
My 2009 specialized transition TT bike will be racked at Kona this fall 10/09/2021. My final 140. Then i will increase my IM volunteering as moto crew driver for head referee Jimmy Riccitello. My salary cannot afford modern triathlon equipment.
this is the content people want :)
One should also mention that the new model is almost 1kg heavier for the same kind of model...
Good review tbf. I own the 2019 Speedmax CF SLX that was in the video. It’s true that I’ve had to customise the front end to suit me and get more aero and comfortable. One thing I will say about Canyon though, is that their after sales customer service is excellent. I’ve been sent two additional sets of aero bars, various spacers, angled spacers, hydration system parts etc free of charge. Really excellent service.
why did they send free of charge?
@@timvanmonero2720 I guess they just look after their customers well when you’ve bought a £6-7k bike. They’ll want to retain them and these are small/cheap parts which they can easily send you
@@stu09 i'm looking to buy a speedmax SLX, but i'm still 15kg too fat for it. so must wait a few months :(
@@timvanmonero2720 it’ll be worth it dude. Good luck with the weight loss
@@stu09 it's not about luck with weight loss, it's about battling depression. live is the journey
Love videos like these with good advice. Only problem is the envy monster comes out as I couldn't afford any of it.
I have the Speedmax 2019 for 1,5 years now. I like it very much! I would recommend it. Very interesting video. Great to see the differences. I was thinking that with 730 bucks savings you can buy a great comfortable Wetsuit for example. About the second bottle, tip: bottles behind saddle works for me. Keep going strong Taren, love your inspiration.
Rode that new CF 8 Disc for St George and it was legit
If you ever race a technical course in bad weather you'll want those disks! IMUK a couple of weeks ago was in a monsoon and disk brakes were the only reason I didnt bin it on the descent off sheep house.
On the topic of breaks, I'm afraid I have to disagree. It is true that a caliper bike probably is faster in good weather and flat surfaces. However, if you race in rainy weather, you would be surprised to experience how bad brakes can be while legal. In warm and hilly conditions, you can experience overheating (partly dependent on your weight).
A disc bike will perform well in all conditions and make you feel more confident. Disc breaks are not about performance as an amateur but enjoyment.
If you've ridden both rim and disc brakes in the rain, the answer on which bike to choose is pretty clear.
If you break on a TT bike, you're doing something wrong :D
@@daskanguru140 Truth, but I am fond of the ability to brake if needed. ;)
@@xwing8675 Understandable :)
I am yet to ride my TT-Bike in the rain but in the dry, the breaking power of the rim breakes is sufficient to lock up the wheels at close to 40 km/h, so rim breaks are enough for me
Awesome Taren! :) I can’t wait to upgrade from my used Giant Tri bike!!!
I’m a rim brake fan boy. Love this review both are solid options thanks for the comparison
You have your Di2 cables routed incorrectly and that is why there is risk in pinching. The cables are supposed to go through the top spacer. There is a small slit for them to go through and then they stay recessed in the channels of the spacers.
Great comparisons video. Picked up a couple of additional differences. Thanks.
You can’t compare the Speedmax cf slx to the Speedmax cf. it would have to be the Speedmax cf slx vs cfr, and Speedmax cf vs Speedmax cf 2021. The older Speedmax slx is probably still faster than the new cf cause the cf isn’t the top model. They also haven’t changed the cockpit on the Speedmax cf from 2 years ago it’s just more adjustable because it’s not as aggressive as the higher end slx model. The Newer model is only more expensive than the slx model because it comes with ETap and zipp wheels while the slx comes with ultegra and dt Swiss wheels
Excellent review. So helpful. Thank you so much, Taren!
You answered so many of my questions in such a short time.
I can only afford one bike for training and racing and have been doing triathlons for 8 years as an age-grouper. I am actually starting to think that I need good aerobars on a Canyon roadbike...Makes sense? would you have a recommendation by chance?
I like this honest review, but why not do the power/speed comparison just on the TT bars as well. That is where most time is spent on a TTbike.
Some incorrect info. The CF vs CF-SLX base bar/cockpit height. SLX & CFR has always had the lower the cockpit in comparison to the CF which is higher. This is true across the old models right upto the 2022 ones.
Bought a Speedmax CF 7.0 for 2.5k the other day, probably the best deal you can make when buying a TT-bike
Agreed ! I even ended up buying the female model just because of the value for money 😂 3,5k with dt Swiss wheels and di2 derailleur … it’s like I was offered the frame for that price !
What frame size may i ask? They dont seem to restock the small size
@@hypercarspottinggr I bought an M but It was the last one as I remember.. funny thing is that apart the colour the geometry of both male and female are the same
@@benoitleleu7840 You dribbled the system my man, I should have done that as well :D
@@hypercarspottinggr I also bought M, got one of the last ones available.
I'm 1,79m and pretty happy with that, but I also have scolliosis, so I can't go that agressive positionwise, otherwise I'd probably prefer S
I just bought a new Canyon Speedmax 7.0 Disc and love it. Amazing bike.
I did exactly this and bought the 2020 model, great bike but one watch out, the frame is 9x130 mm rear axle and not the standard 10 x 130mm did not notice this and now not sure if I can find a trainer that it will fit. The new bike as standard 12x142mm through bolts. Worth consider if you like me spend the winter indoors training.
I own the exact same new canyon. My 2 cents is that it’s a slow bike at low speeds. The bike wants to go fast! Basically once you get it up to speed over 20 mph the bike just takes off. Not scientific but just how it feels riding it.
I have a bunch of data on my own bike (a felt) I need less power on my aluminum shallow training wheels under 32 km/hr. Above 32 I put out less power per speed. At low speeds weight is king. At high speeds aero is king.
Wow Taren you suprised me with this video very honest Review🙂
Have you used Sync Ergonomics bars Taren? I recently had a set installed and they’re brilliant!
Taren, abother thing that could potentially ruin your aerodynamics is your filming equipment and how you are holding this ;-). In the footage you show early in the first minutes, you clearly hold the filmstick completely differently in both cases (and frankly much worse in the second ride from an aerodynamics standpoint I think ) ... or am I mistaken?
You'll never convince me that disc brakes are worth it on a tri bike. Way too many things to get messed up during transit to a race and how much are we really braking during a Tri?
Send me that old model to try out 😉. I'll pay shipping to the UK 👍
Thanks Taren,
Will we see you in Cork next year?
it disgusts me to see 150W equaling 30km/h while riding hoods. wtf?!??!
okay, i'm overweight with 130KG. but i sit in aerobars (not that low tho), smashing 230W and avg 32km/h. i'm aware that skinny people in aerobars with 230W will avg 37km/h.
i'm jealous.
I really want one of the Canyon speedmax
Im thinking the test wasnt very realistic if you spend 90 to 95 percent off the tri bars
Anything similar in the road bikes?
Bro are you serious? Everybody can see, that the pads are way deeper on the old model compared to new. What the heck are you even trying to do?
Remove the group set on the old bike for a sram 1-12.
damn taren. you just made a lot of great points NOT to buy the old model :)
Hello. I m looking for a speed max used. To be send in cancun . Anybody to help? Thanks
waiting for the 2022 speedmax
Taren is the people’s champ!
Not same model
Cf sl vs cf slx
This is a very biaised, non objective and ridiculous comparison. You are comparing the top range model of the previous version with an inferior model of the 2020 version... obviously, the cockpit is poorly aero, the aerobars are not the new model, there are cables... come on... the former model is great, but if you do a comparison, do it properly please, not just because Canyon ask you to
Actually the old speed max is a much better looking bike...
I will buy the CF8 from you LOL
I DM you on Instagram with a photo showing proper routing.
Canyon doesn't even sell bikes, who are you kidding. Also trying to sell a TT bike for canyon because it's all they have for sale is pointing 99% of people in the wrong direction. People don't realize how uncomfortable a TT bike is.
Pretty short sighted opinion. TT bikes don't have to be uncomfortable and if people are investing in tri for the long haul, it is absolutely not the wrong direction. Taren constantly recommends clip ons to new people, but when someone graduates out of dabbling in triathlon, the TT model is the better option. Not just for aerodynamics but for practically of shifting, feeding, and position for power execution. Here you are again talking shit... Without fall here comes C whip speaking to things he knows nothing about.
@@EverythingIsPhotogenic I just hate tarens blatant push for canyon TT bike sales since clearly it is all canyon has to offer at the moment, especially since they "released" in canada, where taren and I are from, with practically zero offerings besides their old tri bikes. I also dislike his uneducated opinions on nutrition.
And I also dislike you.
@@LR6092 you certainly dislike a lot of things from a lot of people. How about you start your own channel if you know so much... But that of course, would take more than the lazy effort commensurate with remaining subscribed to people just to denigrate them in the comments.
@@EverythingIsPhotogenic I'm too focused on my own training to try and help others unfortunately but I do a good job of it in my own circles. If the others your referring to are nick bare the guy who sells snake oil and takes PED and doesn't post his stats then yes, him too, and if you support him then shame on you.