She can communicate with the planet. She knows the biggest threat is Sephiroth. It's not really that much of a secret. The whispered, while incredibly orange-blue on the morality scale, are just another defensive layer that's there to protect the planet.
For me it was the dream sequence when she said "Don't fall in love with me" I feel that whole section was meant to imply that Cloud's possible feelings for aerith were because of Zack, but it just felt... solemn; like she doesn't wan't Cloud to be hurt when her fated death happens.
I’m just now realizing that in the original game’s opening and ending where you see Aerith, the 2 scenes are actually different. In the opening her eyes are already open, in the ending she is opening her eyes. The remake’s opening shows her opening her eyes. Like she just witnessed the events of the original game. 🤯
Would that mean the original game was Aerith seeing a possible future and the Remake is her trying to use that knowledge to adjust the timeline for a better outcome?
Thank you. All these Podcaster go this time line theroies. I see it as Aerith that we know has gifts and can see the future or the lifestream tells her. It makes alot more sense that the og was a vision of the future. The whispers can be that the planet is trying to protect its future. And now Sephiroth who we know is in the lifestream and can use it to his will, some what. He nows the planets vision too and they both are trying to come up with another ending
@@ZeldaFan0o0 so does that mean, her death in the original FF7 wasn't meant to happen? if they say that she is the most important character, then she really needs to be alive bruh
That was a dream. It’s also heavily implied it’s an already dead Aerith, probably the Aerith from the original timeline, which is why she would know so much already and that Aerith is speaking to herself in the Lifestream through time and space. Remember, there’s a shitload of references to FFX and the Far Plane
It’s almost like FFX where Auron is unsent except this time it’s Aerith. The original Aerith from the first game stayed in tact with the life stream traveled to this timeline to warn the party members of what’s to come. Just like he said at the end of the original game you see Aerith and the beginning of remake it’s her in front of the same mako energy. I could be wrong but, it makes sense when she’s telling cloud that falling in love with her isn’t real. Part 2 can’t come out soon enough.
But she follows with "It's not real" I always felt dream Aerith was pointing out that Cloud's feelings for Aerith aren't real and inherited from Zack. Aside from the crazy fate timeline, a slightly more subtle change they're making is they are heavily implying early on that Cloud isn't who he appears to be.
I noticed Aeriths odd behavior pretty early but didn’t quite notice it fully until the scene where Aerith, Tifa, and Cloud were in the sewers. Tifa stops and comments on her worries and says “We have to get there in time to stop it. We have to.” Aeriths response was a sad “Right..”. Tifa right away notices her demeanor and says “Aerith what are you not telling me” and she goes “Huh?” But gets interrupted by Cloud. That was the moment I realized she knows a lot more than the others. Let me know if any of you remember this scene! I found it again while watching the cutscenes to quote it correctly.
Yeah i noticed tifa actually makes that comment a lot and is alway interrupted. We never find out what it is but i played the whole game knowing she dies and we lose. The last of the ancients perished and the human race died in ff7. we all played knowing these terrible facts and we still played it again and again. it feels like they added that feeling of knowledge to these characters. In some small way it really made these characters relatable.
I do remember that scene, I remember thinking that poor Tifa was so worried and just had to get there to help and I had this feeling that Aerith already knew that the plate was going to fall and the others were going to die and there was nothing that any of them could do about it.
@@stevehouck2061 When 3 of them in ghost train. Maybe they could save Jessie and Biggs, but because it wasn't their real destiny the three of them were blocked by whisper. I feel bad for Aerith, how she can change the destiny of that world.
Sephiroth gets a more powerful materia than the black one and gets the infinity materia and does the sephiroth snap and makes80 percent of the population dissappear lol
After listening to the ending theme a couple of times I’m realizing that the lyric “this time I’ll never let you go” makes me feel like your theory is valid
The Aerith we saw in the resolution scene might be the Aerith from the future, you know the one from the original timeline. When you think about it it makes sense all the words she said especially warning Cloud not to fall for her. Then she said she was glad to meet Cloud, grateful for all the words they shared, all the moments and memories, that he made her more happy than he know. Those were probably the words Aerith wanted to tell Cloud before she died but couldnt. Thats just my point of view.
She says even if you do, its not real. I think she may have been referring to Zachs love for her and how cloud has inherited much of him. Maybe even his feelings
@@aloneinthelight7754 sephiroth aint that soft with words lol but eh anything is possible ! speculation is what Kitase want us to think before the next installment.
My head is COMPLETELY SPUN OUT on this final fantasy stuff. I finished the game 8 hours ago and I have not left the house because I've been going down these rabbit holes. There's no end to it. I better stop.
I just beat it and immediately came to TH-cam to watch ending thought videos and now I'm like....dis tew much. Can we just stick to the original story? They already changed a lot....mostly good stuff ...some bad stuff..my head hurts.
Actually, Aerith did hear Marlene’s name in the train graveyard when the girl transforms into Marlene in front of Tifa. Tifa yells out her name and says we are wasting time and we have to save Marlene and the others.
THATS👏NOT👏CLOUD!👏 The real cloud dies killing sephiroth in the climax of the Kalm flashback. And that monstrous looking thing that breaks out of its pod, sees the whole thing and modeled itself in the image of the planets new apex predator. A trait of the jenova cells is that it gives the host a chameleon-like effect that molds them into the inherent memories of those around them. A survivor instinct if you will. That clone sought out clouds friends because he thinks he’s cloud. But the main character of 7 isn’t who we think he is. The real cloud died defending those he loves and that’s why the new one thinks the town burnt down. He heard clouds words. Thought the town was in cinders.
@@Gir-Riff-raffe uh.. clouds original hometown did burn down so he's not wrong.... He wasn't thinking.. he was having a hallucination to crisis cores events
From the original game: Tifa "I wonder what Aeris felt... when she was on that altar?" Cloud "I'm sure she wanted to give her life for the planet..." Tifa "Really? I wonder? I don't think that's it at all." "I think she didn't think she would die at all, but that she planned on coming back all along." "She always used to talk about the 'next time'." "She talked about the future more that any of us..." "Although she never said anything to us about it, she must've had a rough life” "I think Aeris looked forward to tomorrow and the future more than anyone.” "She must've had many, many dreams...”
Same, especially in all these “ What she knew all along“ speculation video. I honestly am astounded by the sheer possibilities and little Easter eggs. Man wow. Aerith is such a bad ass, possibly my all-time favorite.
This is not aerith time travelling or whatever, she just got premonitions from the future in that back alley through the lifestream at the beginning of the remake. Thats why she was so scared and knows stuff. the OG ending showed remake aerith opening her eyes to the entire premonition
JugbandGates thanks!!!! This whole "time traveling" and "second timeline" bullshit's flooding the whole internet and I'm just like "no, this theory is wrong on so many levels"...guess that's what happen when people watch too much Rick and Morty and start to believe they're the most intelligent beings on earth 🤦♂️
I don’t believe it’s time travel more like FF7 Aerith somehow communicated with remake Aerith and told her she needs to change these events. The planet never wanted the last cetra to die and for Sephiroth and his Jenova cells to control the lifestream so Aerith is trying to change that. When the two of them communicated it triggered the whispers since we know they basically started with Aerith and appeared to cloud after she touched him and he got involved in changing fate.
This Remake is definitely not FF7 that we know even if we experienced the scenes of Midgar we all know and love but timeline has been changed because of our actions with the party defeating Arbiters of Fate. So buckle up for an Unknown Journey into Part 2! 👀 I am excited to see where it goes from here
@@dimitriosgladio059 Yeah definitely is, we need to throw the OG timeline out the door, because this is a new FF game with the members from FF7 in it 😎
I thought it was totally suspicious of her to reply "oh... right" in that specific tone to Cloud saying that Sephiroth might still be alive. It's as if she's saying "oh... right...you don't know yet". My first reaction to this was "why you say this?? What do you know??" It's a totally out of place reply of her, at that moment I thought she definitely knows more than she tells... I agree with your theory and I'm actually expecting to see it play out in the next part!
That bit where Aerith walks away and cloud cry’s, the music is temple of the ancients (I believe)! Aerith is my MVP in this game, I genuinely fell in love with this character all over again. I definitely think this is a sequel, don’t think the ending was handled great from a story telling aspect, but with that perspective and going back to play the game again it makes me super excited about the next game.
So true. She talked to Tifa like she already knows her and Tifa seems confused. She also clearly already knows that the sector 7 plate is going to fall so she most likely just wanted to make sure that not as many people died this time around.
My take on it is that she witnessed the events of the original game, from the opening scene of her to the ending scene. It was her seeing what happens to herself and everyone else. So at the end of original, she decides to try to stop it and thats where we start the remake at.
Goku sama Kakarotto when Cloud gives it to her, sure but it’s different when Aerith gives it to him and says that considering that’s not what happened in the original no matter if you bought it or not.
@@agssilv5919 the flowers literally symbolizes aerith as a whole, the flowers will always have a greater connection to aerith than tifa. and being aerith the one saying its a reunion flower just solidifies it, cloud just gave it to tifa, nothing more nothing else.
Goku sama Kakarotto also When Cloud gave the flower to Tifa, is wasn’t technically a reunion for them. Since they had already reunited when Tifa ran into him at the station. So yeah.
But Aerith dying is one of the thing that made FF7 a legendary game. A lot of good story are composed with great vilains and painfull death. If you remove this FF7O is not FF7O anymore. Let's see what remake will bring us ! :D
On a very personal lvl,I agree with you. But OG FF7 being a great game is to me,that is. Is the story itself. Aerith played a huge part in me liking the game. I cried some when she died,but I accepted it and left the game 10 stars bc of it. I have never ever cried or feel emotional because of a game before that.I probably would've given the game a 7 or an 8 otherwise
Glad to see you are still discovering all of the awesome story pieces that this amazing game has to offer! Also 2 interesting things to note are: 1: You don't fight future Cloud, Barret and Tifa in the final fights, but instead it is Kadaj, Loz and Yazoo (the 3 from Advent Children). They got the same weapons as in the movie, Kadaj with the shorter sword using fire attacks, Loz with his electrocuting fist weapon using lighting based attacks and Yazoo with his 2 guns using aero attacks (his element is confirmed in the wiki). In addidion, they summon Bahamut like they do in Advent Children. 2: In chapter 12, while talking to Wedge, Aerith knows that the plate WILL drop on Sector 7 and Wedge says "But...something in my gut tells me we're due for a reckoning. Just this...feeling. Know what I mean?", Aerith replies with "Yeah...I do." I'm so interested in where they're going to take the story. Keep up the great work Soldier!
7:28 "Now correct me if I'm wrong but I don't remember Aerith ever hearing about Marlene" - The train graveyard. They see a "ghost" of Marlene and Tifa calls her name. That said, there's no explanation of who the girl is. However it could be easily inferred the girl is precious to Tifa so easy enough for Aerith to guess later. So it doesn't hold as big a weight to this claim. That said, I don't disagree.
XavierDarkhand I was thinking during the scene where she says she needs to go save Marlene that it was kind of a stretch that Aerith would have picked up on that name, or to have made such strong assumptions as she did, after just one mention. I was remember being slightly annoyed at the lazy writing in that scene, especially where the rest of the video game was more polished in writing and character development. This theory would not only make that cutscene less cringey but would make it one of the best moments of foreshadowing I have ever seen in a video game.
However, if Tifa saw the girl as a ghost in the Train Graveyard, wouldn't Aerith assume that Marlene is dead? How did she know Marlene was alive to begin with?
@@TheGoodMorty95 Hmm, because she herself started having odd visions at the end; even seeing herself as a child? Nah; there's no story element that describes anything, or even why Tifa saw Marlene here in the first place. So whichever way this is taken, the only thing we know for certain is Aerith heard Marlene's name spoken here. She didn't hear that she was Barret's daughter, or anything about her. Sadly there's too little detail to answer definitively, in either respect. That's why I didn't say this issue holds *no* claim in this respect, just less of one because it's a little muddy. As in; she definitely heard the name, we just have no story proof of her thought process following that. What we *do* see later is her imbuing memories into Marlene, presumably to make her trust her/calm her down so they could actually leave the bar on time. So yes this is all suspect.
Hey, he didn't show this in the video, but Aerith also knew where the bar was. She askes Wedge "Isn't it this way" (rephrasing) she knew exactly where the bar was and didnt even need Wedge to show her.
Oh shit!!! That Aeris scene at the beginning of the remake would actually make sense being the end of the original. My mind is completely blown by that one 😲
check the comment above, that guy blown my mind too. OG opening, Aerith's eyes are already opened. OG ending: Aerith is opening her eyes. Remake opening: Aerith is opening her eyes. THAT IS MIND BLOWNING :v :v
I think she was always in tune with Sephiroth even in the original. My gut says it’s because Sephiroth carries the strongest parts of Jenova in his body. Aerith is a Cetra, so it was the Cetra’s job to guard the planet from the calamity of the skies aka Jenova. Hence why she has such a strong connection with him in both games. She knew he was alive both times. I’m not so sure it’s a time travel thing though.
Nice ! For the moment where Cloud shed a tear. When I saw that, I immediately remembered the moment in the Original when she comes to Cloud in a dream to tell him she's leaving and then run away from Cloud for him to never see her again before her death. I don't really thing he saw anything in particular, just that he felt what he felt when he saw her leaving. But of course he probably did not understand it. Before touching Nanaki, Aerith also says "This child is a friend". Child ? How can she know Nanaki is still considered a child for his species ? There is A LOT of little hints like that during the game that you truly acknowledge on the second playthrough. Definitely more a Sequel that a simple Remake.
Unless time travel is involved that doesn't make it a sequel. For a sequel one of the main characters essentially needs to be the same. If Aerith is simply aware of future events she's merely a mystic character as opposed to the exact same one from the original. Personally I think what we've seen is fan service, the sort of thing you'd expect from a remake of a classic. Time will obviously tell, but with what we actually know at the moment, nobody can say either way for certain.
I agree, there's no way Cloud saw the entire scene of her death in detail and then just decided to say nothing about it to anyone. Emotional memory / premonition is much more believable to me.
Serena Not saying it’s fact, but Aerith knowing Red is a child doesn’t necessarily need to have a mystical reason. It’s possible she knows what he is (her mother/inherent Cetra knowledge could apply) or that, having been in Hojo’s dungeon of delights before, she may have seen or heard about him previously, either around the lab in general, from one of Hojo’s ego-stroking monologues, or maybe even something that one of the Turks may have said (since they might have been the ones to bring him in originally.) Lots of possibilities and opportunities for her to know that. Again, not saying she didn’t know mystically (and not sure if it matters in either case), but it’s explainable in other ways without bending plausibility too much.
Also she warns cloud to not fall in with her, so she definitely knows something will happen. Not sure if they actually time travelled but at this point anything could happen.
I think its Aerith from the lifestream. In that scene, you could actually see green objects which looks exactly like a lifestream. I guess the current Aerith (remake version) somewhat communicated with the lifestream Aerith so she now has somewhat of an idea on what will happen in the future and thats why at the end of the remake she was very worried because now they wont know anymore.
I had the same idea about Marlene, in the beginning of the game after coming back from reactor 1 , Marlene asked Barret if the people who died, go back to the planet, I thought instantly that she was an ancient too!
Interesting theory. Even in the sewers when Tifa was so worried after hearing Corneo, Aerith seems to know what was about to happen. And there was a part there where Tifa noticed Aerith's mysterious silence and asked her "What are you not telling me?" ... Aerith also mentioned that she believes that "the Future is not set in stone", giving a glimpse that they can change destiny.
daboyax i think that too, because why would you tell this to someone who fear the plate to fall, he didn't fall yet so this make no sense unless she already know what's gonna happen and try to prevent
I kinda figured aerith knew the future. It’s pretty obvious. Especially since she says “the flowers are trying to tell us something, I feel they will be needed one day. But there is a requirement first...” she was hinting advent children. People needed the flowers to stop geostigma. So it’s pretty clear she knows what’s going on.
It's even before that that Tifa is suspicious of Aerith and her intentions and motives. In the Japanese translation, after they fall into the sewers, if you wake up Tifa, the correct literal translation of what she says to Cloud for "You sure there isn't anything else going on?" is "I wonder why she is giving help to us?" Also, to further point out that that is the correct translation and that the intention of the scene is Tifa questioning Aerith's motives and intentions, they translated in French as "tu sais pourquoi elle t'aide, au moins?" meaning "Do you know why she is helping you, at least?" Again, expressing doubt about Aerith's intentions and motives. In Italian, which is more accurate than the French since it's just a subtitle translation and not a voice acting translation, she says "chissà perché ci aiuta?" meaning "who knows why she helps us?" Again expressing doubt about Aerith's intentions and motives. In Korean, which is the most accurate due to Korean and Japanese naturally being the easiest to translate between each other by far, she says "왜 우리를 도와주는 걸가?" which is pretty much word for word exactly the same as Japanese, meaning "I wonder why she is helping us?" If you translate the Japanese in literal terms, the key words are "tasukete" (助けて), meaning "help us," "kureru" (くれる), meaning "give" speaking from the receiver point of view, which in this case is Tifa and Cloud, and "no kana" (のかな), meaning "I wonder." Translating to "I wonder why she is giving help to us." In every case, it's expressing suspicions about Aerith's motives and intentions.
Interestingly enough too, in the church when you first meet her. She says something about her Materia being useless. The camera zooms into her hair and she points at it too but... nothing is there? There's no Materia? Sure it could be hidden inside the bow but then why zoom in to show us nothing? She's already used it, it's been dropped already. Almost like Clouds visions are actually the past. Her past at least. EDIT: This game is a freaking sequel! It actually IS FF7-2 lol.
That's a great observation. There was something extremely unsettling about the moment she mentioned the white materia yet there was nothing to be seen in her ribbon. That was definitely intentional.
That was an interesting detail. I think this game is the invocation of the Holy materia in the original FF7. The entire plot of the game might be happening within the lifestream in the last 7 seconds before the meteor strike, and so Aries is able to interact with the other characters. So Aries is already dead in FF7R, and she might be "alive" through all the sequels, but is still attached to the lifestream. (Reminds me of Tidus in FFX) This might be similar the scene where Tifa and Cloud fall into the lifestream and recover Cloud's true memories.
@Tsunamods Dude, the White "Holy" materia is in her ribbon. That is where it is in the OG game and that is where it is now. If you look again inside the ribbon, on top of her braid, there is a bulge. that is the materia. @Faraz Hussain - The fact people are calling this is a sequel is speculation at this point. There are many questions that need answers and we all have to wait for them in the next installment. - why are you watching this video if you haven't finished the game yet? You can only playthrough the game for the first time once and you are spoiling it for yourself...
Couldn't it also be argued that she's not from the future, but that she gained knowledge of future events by communicating with the planet as it attempts to stop Sephiroth from destroying everything and attaining true godhood? We already know Cloud can see the future without actually being from the future, so the same could be true of Aerith and Sephiroth as well.
zhuyaj it’s not time travel dude. If time travel where is the original aerith in this timeline if she traveled back? Oh, only her mind travelled back? Oh ok so it’s not back to the future time travel, but super fine line between original Aerith future self implanting herself and overtaking Remakes Aerith’s mind. OR remakes Aerith’s gained memories and knowledge of original Aerith’s timelines. Which ever you subscribe to sort of doesn’t matter in the sense that we can’t answer timeless philosophical questions like what makes us who we are? Who are we if we do not have our memories? What is consciousness? Etc I’d prefer to think of it as how DevilHunter1994 has laid it out
Steve Busam i think Aerith being able to channel the planet / life stream knew the moment Sephiroth arrived. Watch the intro cinematic, u can hear sephiroth theme, and Aerith looking frazzled and in fear. This wasn’t in the original
Perhaps Aerith came back after the original game (a function of Holy materia?), and Sephiroth has hijacked her knowledge. It would explain the way he touches Aerith when cloud meets her followed by him saying that Cloud can't save her - he saw it all after coming into contact with her. It can also be why the whispers were harassing her in the first place (because she doesn't belong in this timeline) and why cloud is able to see the whispers and the future throughout the game after touching her on loveless street. The whispers are the planet's immune system response to infiltrations of its timeline. As a far fetched though; could the entire original game be Aerith's vision of a doomed future?
Could it also be that Sephiroth is also taunting Cloud when he says “you can’t save anyone,” after touching Aeris? Let’s say it is possible to save her from dying in Part 2. If there are repercussions for Aeris not dying, could it be possible that Cloud will encounter circumstances that will force him to end her himself because she did not die in the first place? Or will someone else be lost in her place? Midgar edition of Life is Strange, yeah?
I assumed that Sephiroth had come back after the end of Advent Children, same as Aerith being from the future in this theory. He can live through the life stream which in itself is linked to time. He comes back to undo the events that made him lose.
@Dren great so I basically bought the ps4 to play a incomplete game and another incomplete game (Anthem) now I'll have to save up what another $600 to play the next installment of a more than likely incomplete game. Makes me a sad panda. 😓
@@justinfox2814 You could go the PC route, but then you'll probably have to wait a year each time the next game is released. But yeah next game will probably be released sometime next year and on next gen.
@@justinfox2814 @Justin Fox also i think part 2 will more than likely come out on both consoles (kind of like nintendo with breath of the wild) considering ps5 plays ps4 games making part 1 playable on the ps5 i doubt they abandon ps4 owners right away with such a big title, i do think beyond that it will only be on ps5 but i imagine a lot of big titles within the first year or so of ps5 being out will be avail on both. Keep in mind that is all speculation based on what little i know and influenced by my bias and wants, i'm buying ps5 on release either way though.
I think "time travel" is the wrong way of looking at this. The Lifestream holds all past present and future lives, Could it be aerith, cloud and sephiroth's time spent in the Lifestream in the 1st game is what is causing the visions and future knowledge? I mean they're living in liquid memories for a time.
I always thought of the lifestream as souls, once you've entered the lifestream your soul will lose it's identity and memories. The lifestream would then circle around through plants and animals and people. It's like your soul is something you sustain and cultivate and as part of the "life of the planet" it must return. Jessies Dad with Mako addiction was theorised to be bed ridden because his soul was caught up in the mako. which is why Jessie believes shutting down the reactors will release his soul and he can become himself again. Which is a different kind of mako reaction tahn Cloud, I believe. Clouds Mako addiction was Hojo crammed a bunch of souls into him to make him stronger and his soul lost control of his body. since Cloud finds himself again I don't think he actually lost his soul, he was just a mess from having so many souls/mako inside him.
@@chainclaw07 Fucking excellent point man, almost like Mako is fossil fuel but sucking fossilised souls that the Lifestream needs to nurture the planet. I think Shintoism and Buddhism share similar philosophies about souls and afterlife so it fits perfectly here.
@TheNamelessAnt OMG! That makes total sense now and your explanation of the lifestream basically ignoring time/space continuum is genius. The arbiters were made to make us think it was Cloud, Tifa and Barrett but really it's Sephiroths deceit, fucking brilliant man it's theorycrafting like this that makes FF such an awesome franchise.
Aerith and Sepiroth both know what's going on for sure. I think it's because the connection with the lifestream. But how does this memories get there is the question. I think it's Jenovah when it's crashed/attacked this planet. It's carrying the memories from the lifestream of the original story. What happened on a different planet then we are on now. I believe this story happens over and over on different planets. But it's the same jenovah that is destroying them. And I think the ending with zack is on another planet. And the glimmer in the sky is this planet. Anyway crazy shit is going on for sure haha.
@TheNamelessAnt Damn, now that you mentioned, those arbiters might actually be the remnants of Sephiroth from AC, while people tend to interpret they the future selves of the party. I mean, there's that one with a large gauntlet resembling Loz, rather than the smaller gloves of Tifa. And if the one with sword is Cloud, it should've been a much bigger sword, when it's actually regular sized (relative to the arbiter's size) like the one Kadaj used in AC.
Tifa literally shouted “Marlene!” in the Train Graveyard. Aerith was RIGHT THERE. Yeah you could still argue that she’s already aware of who Marlene is because she’s from the future, but even if that was the case, she still has a solid alibi that Tifa would buy. Also, I wouldn’t say the “7 seconds till Aerith does” Theory is debunked, the 7 seconds till Meteor hits thing could just be a red herring, something meant to mislead us. Don’t toss your theory aside so quickly when there’s still at least 2 whole years before we know for sure, not while it still has weight.
"Seven seconds till the end" is most likely referring sephiroth killing Aerith. As in that moment sephiroth is on the screen for exactly 7 seconds before he killed her.
Everything Sephiroth does is in his own self-interest, so ask yourself this: which scenerio could he be referencing in order to manipulate Cloud to ultimately achieve his own victory? If he's talking about Meteor, then it would mean that he does not want Meteor to go off, which makes no sense. We know of no other means he could use to attain godhood, so taunting Cloud to stop Meteor does not avail him: it would set him back. Besides that, I don't believe Sephiroth is the kind of person to taunt Cloud just to goad him: he views Cloud as his greatest pawn, and is always pretty clear about his intentions with him. The other scenario, of him killing Aeris, seems more believable. His Meteor plan fails because of Holy, which Aeris dies to cast, and when that isn't enough, she employs the Lifestream to bolster it. She is capable of this while she is dead, but not alive. So preventing her death seems like it benefits Sephiroth the most. Just my two cents.
They were jailed together and red has been there awhile. Either she knew if him as a child, or during her recent captive has seen them torture red and basically the enemy of my enemy is my friends sort of thing can being explained just sayin
@@DyingToLive1987 There's no evidence they were in cells near one another or that they were friendly to one another. Quite the contrary, he's hostile and on the verge of attacking the group when Aerith calms him with a touch. If he knew her, he wouldn't act like that. Further, in the OG Nanaki is embarrassed by his age. It's certainly not the first thing he'd talk about. He very much wants to be an adult and he wouldn't correct someone who believed him one. No, her knowing he's still a kid is definitely more evidence for the pile that she knows more than she should.
@@DyingToLive1987 Veladus is right. Plus, Red XIII was on the lower floor, whereas Aerith was in the upper one. There's no way she could have known him.
It's a nod to a line Red XIII said about Aerith from the OG. Red XIII: "Aerith used to pat me on the nose sometimes. I used to hate being treated like a child like that, but I also liked the attention."
Did anyone realize the 7 seconds reference. Someone pointed out that it was exactly 7 seconds from when Sephiroth fell from the sky to kill Aerith in the original ff7. Now in the remake Sephiroth makes that reference to Cloud, maybe linking back to Cloud maybe having a 7 seconds head start to save Aerith maybe.
The game desc says its abt meteor but i still think it could also be abt aerith because the forgotten capital theme plays in the background when sephiroth says this to cloud. The theme plus the fact that it takes 7secs for seph to kill aerith are just too much of a coincidence for me.
I think this time Sepiroth isn't gonna kill Aerith because Aerith's death in the OG lead him to defeat. I think Aerith and Sepiroth both know what's ahead of them.
@@gunghocg even if the game description says that, we don't know for sure if Square is really telling the truth to us, or they're just hiding the fact that it's reference to her death
Love it or hate it, you can't deny the absurd amount of discussion and interest on where the remake project is taking us is thanks to the decision of the team to not make this a predictable 1:1 remake of the original game. And you know what, I'm all on board with that decision!
@ManyProphets OneMessageur an idiot à purtits wants no changes this game was 90 percent a master pièce but when u add timelines and power scaling problems its trash...u just fought sephroitoh in a portal..and cut buildings open...now nothing matters
@@johnborris3222 Sephiroth abandoned the good in him to the Lifestream according to the Novella so that there will be no turning back on his plans now using Jenova. One theory i encountered speculates that the Sephiroth on the edge of creation scene is the good ol' Sephiroth. Because in JP dub it goes like this. "Wareware no hoshi wa are no ichibu ni narurashī" - Our planet will be part of it once day "Ore wa kieta kunai" - I don't want to disappear He used the Japanese masculine pronoun Ore all throught CC when he was still sane. But when he went insane Ore has been replaced by the pronoun Watashi. I saw a video of the ending with accurate translations of the JP dub such as the part of 7 seconds till the end. Instead of Sephiroth saying "Enough time for you perhaps, what will you do with it. Let's see." he says "We can still make it in time. The future is up to you, Cloud." And in JP, to me Sephiroth sounds scared of the thought that he will become part of that oneness he mentioned in the edge of creation. "Ore wa kieta kunai" I don't want to disappear.
I loved the original game and I even cried when Aerith died. So if there’s a way for Aerith to save the planet without sacrificing herself either through time travel or reincarnation, I will not hate SquareEnix for going that route. Those complaining that the remake sucks because it’s not adhering to the original story, they are the whispers we fought and I’m glad we defeated them. Almost all SquareEnix stories have some form of time travel or a story where the party must fight fate. These stories aren’t set in stone. Everything changes. Everything must change or else we just keep going round and round in circles stuck in this black hole that won’t let go. This is a remake. Not a remaster. If you really expected this to be the same story and are disappointed then just play the original or the latest remastered versions. But honestly, these complainers remind me of bible thumpers who constantly say “no no it’s my way or the highway.” You do realize that myths and fables have changed so much throughout the centuries, right? The changing or evolving of stories will never end. These whispers don’t want things to change. Here’s what I say: F**k em!
I think they'll make her death even more impactful. I think Futureroth will manipulate the hell out of both party and us until we THINK we can save her, but in the end, she must die. I'm excited to see how they do it because tbh the whole point of FF7 is loss and life/death and how to deal with those things. So if she doesn't die, it kinda destroys the original purpose. I think the best clue to why I think everything generally will happen the same is Sephiroth's 7 seconds comment. It's not 7 seconds till he kills Aerith but 7 seconds till Meteor strikes, which means to me that he wants everything to happen the same up until 7 seconds Meteor hits. Something within that 7 seconds made him lose and he thinks Cloud is the key to it all.
Aerith has to die. She is the embodiement of the lifestream. She is the only one who can willfully die in order to use the (my theory) Holy Summon materia. Which summons the lifestream. In the Remake, those scenes with meteor hitting Midgar. Where is the lifestream? Where is Holy. It isnt there because those premonitions we are getting? Aerith didnt die.
@@DragonQueefs I agree Aerith's death is the emotional core of final fantasy 7, without it the characters don't have any emotional development. It's the shocking scene of her permanent end that makes the game emotional.
Legend Holy failed tho, it didn’t work. Holy didn’t summon the lifestream, it was the planet fighting back. She kinda died for nothing, cause humanity still dies out in 500yrs later cut scene with Red. It’s what she realizes, and what she is trying to change.
@@jet44444 i think she's still trying to change the humanity dying out 500 years later, however, i think her death was so meaningful to the original that a lot of people wouldn't like it being taken away.
I had always interpreted the opening of the original FF7 to mean that Aeris had seen her future while communing with the planet via the leaking Mako in Midgar. When you see her face again at the very end of the game (a flashback to that same moment), it’s almost like everything that happened in the actual game was what she saw in her vision. And she still got up and did what she had to do knowing she would die. There are various references to this in the original like when she goes off in the wood behind Bone Village alone and the second time you go to the City of the Ancients with Bugenhagen. I think FF7R Aerith is the same way. Ultimately, that’s her secret. She saw the future in the mako just like in the original, but this time around she wants to try to change something. Probably not for a good reason though. I think the developers just want some creative freedom lol
Just replayed old game and realized she has a bunch of lines about next time and wanting things to be different. It's almost like anything surrounding nomura is predestined to be a time travel story at some point, he just takes 15 years at a time to find the dialogue.
But if you want to look at the events as real, and not some creation of playful game developers, then it makes more sense to say that Aerith does want to do things the same way to begin with, and that it's by pure chance that cloud comes in conflict with fate in the streets of Loveless district (lol naming) from which small ripples combined with very strong souls with very strong motivations to change fate, results in the rolling snowball that crescendos in an actual full on defeat of fate's own guardians
Problem is that RedXIII scene is after that. So how can be a loop there? I belive Square was never so lazy to make 'it was jus a dream' cliche story. That's just dumb.
I would like to point out that: by definition, to remake is to "make again or DIFFERENTLY". Therefore your theory may be completely correct as Square Enix remaking FF7 means they are making it "different".
Honestly the confusing part is that theres been a lot of great videos discussing the ending but one overlooked part when piecing together 'evidence' seems to be the importance of the flowers (or, Aerith's touch and the flowers are essentially one and the same). Think about how Aerith touches Cloud allowing him to see the whispers, or see 'fate' (one could view this as a typical time-travel idea of paradox, of people not being allowed to come into contact with one another, and if they do weird shit happens). She also gives him the flower, which she would know would be passed onto Tifa/Marlene/Barret, allowing them to intervene with fate-altering shenanigans. In this intro we also see a human blindly crushing a flower (pretty big symbolism). Its also an interesting point that you do not have the choice of not taking a flower, something you have agency over in the first game. The flowers also protect Cloud when he falls through the roof of the church (something i thought they would find hard to justify if they were treated as literal flowers, but i think they have a special property). Add to this the transition scene on white background where cloud is being surrounded by flowers and petals. Wedge comes directly into contact with Aerith, and actually tries to fight off the whispers (one might assume if he hadnt have touched Aerith, he wouldnt have been able to see them). Jessie importantly never actually comes into direct contact with the flowers or Aerith (which may be why she is permanently dead - she was never able to 'change her fate'). However she does seem to be fighting off the Whispers outside Seventh Heaven so maybe she did. Marlene obviously came into direct contact with Aerith, and receives a vision of the future (the past? you know what i mean). So what about Biggs? Well, think about the importance of the orphanage - not just a sidequest sink, but you specifically have a quest in which you need to gather flowers for the orphanage (distributing that aerith's touch magic). Theres nothing to say that in the original he was taken there and died there, but perhaps he was taken there this time and survived due to the flowers either protecting him in the same way they did for Cloud's fall. Perhaps the flowers confer a kind of mini 'Planets' Protection' limit break immunity (im just kidding but also, the parallels are there) Aerith literally talks to the flowers, even though she laughs it off. Imagine if perhaps the flowers all act as a network and she/the planet is able to protect anyone or anything that is near flowers or touching them. I believe she even says something to the effect of 'follow the yellow flowers'. And of course there is all the extra stuff - the symbolism of the petals of the flower wilting and falling off. Marlene being 'communicated with' through the dripping flower she just watered at the end cutscene. I also think its highly likely that Aerith is only able to communicate directly with the planet when she is near flowers, maybe even specifically just the special yellow flowers. A special breed of living things that have their roots literally in the substance of the planet (maybe they're even special Cetra flowers?) Just sayin'
That wasn't an easter egg. He actually likes Tifa. He says this in the OG when you first to go Gongaga. Fun fact, if Tifa is the last one standing in the OG game battle with Rude still around, he has some interesting dialogue.
Think they might have dropped a ball on that moment... Is Rude even aware of Tifa at that point? Has he ever seen her before anywhere else? Unless that's the first time he sees Tifa and he likes her immediately? Enough to save her...?
Maybe that’s what Holy actually did. Holy didn’t just save the planet, it allowed Aerith to return or give information to herself via the life stream and begin the process anew. Maybe it’s happened many times, and that’s part of why Aerith feels her materia “doesn’t do anything.” It just repeats the past
Yeah and it also did that to Sephiroth for some reason, but only AC Sephiroth. Also created Andrea, rebulid Shin-Ra HQ, how slums are for some reason.... Wait...it is dumb.
I’m pretty sure Holy didn’t end up working. She was interrupted when she got killed. The planet used the lifestream to fight back meteor, it had nothing to do with holy. Holy failed, that’s why she said in the church that it wasn’t good for anything at all.
I suspect actual time travel won't be used, because that introduces such a complicated plot to try and unravel. However, knowledge of past and future could very well be accomplished through the life stream.
Did you assess the whispers towards the end? It literally tells you they're from the future and trying to ensure the course of history stays the same so that they can come into existence in the future. e.g. Whisper Croceo: "An entity from a future timeline that has manifested in the present day. It fights with guns to protect the future that gave shape to it." So time travel has been confirmed in the game.
The theory doing the rounds when I was a kid with the original is that Aerith's face in the ending is the same as her face at the start, it was all a vision given to her by the Lifestream, essentially the entire game was her premonition. She always knew what was happening. That's why she's so immediately clingy around Cloud, why she follows him after he leaves in the night, why she's willing to go through all that Wall Market chaos for someone she barely knows, etc. Replay the original in the mindset that Aerith and Tifa both know a lot more than they let on, it gives a lot of the dialogue new context. Like how knowing what happens at the end of the Pilgrimage changes a lot of FFX. As for the remake, I kinda hope they're not gonna lean too heavily on time travel/alternate dimensions/etc. It's too much of a can of worms. Look how badly the Kingdom Hearts timeline has become utterly incomprehensible. None of that please. Keep it simple. With regards to Marlene, I believe she's mentioned in the end of the Train Graveyard with the little girl ghost, so Aerith would know her name at that point, before she offers to rescue her. Marlene does have the ability to sense Aerith's presence in Advent Children Complete, but so does Tifa (the water droplet scene aboard the Shera) so it might not mean all that much. Aerith's optional scene in chapter 14 basically confirms that she knows things. She urges Cloud not to fall in love with her, trying to spare him the pain of her death. She knows, confirmed. Not up for debate. Also the ending isn't the first time that 'seven seconds' has been referenced. There's a song by Within Temptation called Stairway To The Skies that starts with the lyrics 'seven seconds til the rise', so presumably it has a meaning outside of FF7. Worth a look perhaps?
This feels kinda like it can be legit. In the sewers for instance Tifa will ask whats wrong and Aerith will say something like "I believe we can change the future" and something along the line of "It's that belief that keeps me going" somehow hinting at that she knows the future and only the hope that she can change it is what keeps her trying.
Yep and when they reach sector 7 slums where the Turks are trying to bring down the plate aerith also says "we have to do this" Right after clearing the whispers that were stopping cloud and the party from saving Jessie and biggs
Just rewatch the announcement trialer for FF7. The narration holds a new meaning now I think. Long ago, we looked upon a foreboding sky. The memory of the star that threatened all, burns eternal in our hearts. In its wake, came an age of silence. Yet with each fond remembrance, we knew, those encountered, where not forgotten. That some day, we would see them again. Perhaps it was no more than wishful thinking.... But after the long calm, there are now the beginnings of a stir. The reunion at hand may bring joy, it may bring fear, but let us embrace for whatever it brings. For they are coming back, at last the promise has been made.
SE said that they didn't wanna add a subtitle to the title of the remake because they didn't want people to think it is a sequel or a spin-off. So I don't know...maybe it wasn't what's on their mind when they made that trailer.
Another scene that did it for me was when Aerith says Shinra thinks she could lead them to the promised land, and Barrett replies asking if she could, and Aerith says something like "Even if I wanted to, I couldn't" to me that implies she knows that going to the temple of the ancients is going to result in her death and Sephiroth getting the black materia and yada yada. Assuming the time travel or Aerith had a vision, I'm torn between Aerith being a reactionary trying to stop Sephiroth, Aerith realizing there has to be a better way than just stopping Sephiroth and letting mankind die eventually, and maybe just maybe Aerith (having a character flaw) decides she no longer wants to be a Martyr. I know this would be a stretch and probably not where it is going, but what if she's trying to find a way where she could still live and to defeat Sephiroth. One reason I am torn is because I'm not quire sure how Aerith thinks stopping Sephiroth in a different way would lead to a better ending. It seemed to me the damage was done to the planet and the planet would kill off mankind regardless of the Sephiroth story line. And in that sense, maybe Sephiroth really is an arbiter of the planet in a perverse way. But the planet wanted to kill mankind and save itself, whereas meteor would destroy the planet and so the planet wanted to stop Sephiroth. So other than saving herself, what really could change? I'm sure there is something -- I just can't think of it right now. And Lastly, this could all be a giant set-up where the parties end up trying to re-write history even after defeating the whispers, but the result ends up being the same. Sort of a catch-22 type situation. Destiny will always prevail in some way shape or form even if the method of getting there has changed. All in all, they have SOOO many ways of going from this and I am excited. This is definitely the best video on the topic and I 100% agree that Aerith knows what's going on here. Just not sure whether its time travel or future premonition or what. Who knows, maybe Jenova ends up being the real mastermind behind all of this somehow and is exerting influence to change the events so she could take over the world again. And by changing this timeline it will create an opening. Similar to a Calasmos DQXI type story. I would rather it be future premonition to an extent than time travel, solely because I can't deal with another KH convoluted story line. KH made sense (although was challenging to keep up) up until DDD where the time travel ruined it.
Mike Jaoude I’m a big fan of time traveling stories (Chrono Trigger) and of thats whats happening here then so be it but is no one out there also mentioning reincarnation? There are people out there who feel the life they’re living is one that’s been lived already. I doubt time traveling had anything to do with it.
Mike Jaoude this is like a triangle gaia wants to stop sephi and kill humanity Aerith wants to to stop sephiroth , humanity to survive and potentially to not die Sephiroth wants to become god by fucking up gaia and killing humanity Hear me out what if sephiroth joined our side? What if vincent told him that he is not jenova’son that he isn’t a monster but just a humanced enhanced with jennova’s cells Think about it we already had a fight against the one winged angel the offspring of jenova with his theme on , the wing and casting supernova We already had a big fight with the one winged angel so why repeat it? If he stops being crazy kills hojo and becomes the man he once was with resolve to be a hero , a soldier the first clas soldier sephiroth and not the one winged angel , he appears but instead of hearing the theme we already heard in the og or in ac or here we hear the cc version wich isn’t called the same as the others . It is more heroic fits better to a hero to sephiroth the first class soldier wich is called the world’s enemy , (gaia’s enemy) come on don’t tell me it wouldn’t be epic
The whispers are agents of the planet from the future. If you use the assess materia during the final battle, it explains this. My guess is after Advent Children, Sephiroth returns to the lifestream and discovers these entities, tapping into their power and traveling back in time to change his fate. The Whispers follow him backwards in time to stop him. Aerith, is the same Aerith from the OG games timeline. But since she is an ancient, she can commune with the planet, and any *entities* that may come from the planet. When the Whispers invaded her timeline, she more than likely felt it. And every time she interacted with them, she learned more about the future. So technically the only person from the future is Sephiroth, but Aerith is aware of the entire story because of her Cetra abilities
When Cloud sees Tifa riding the chocobo carriage to Wall Market, he runs after her and jumps on the carriage and has a conversation with Tifa. After he jumps down, Aerith catches up with him and immediately seems to know what he talked about with Tifa, even though Aerith wasn't with them when they talked. I chalked it up to a writing hiccup, but now I'm not so sure about it anymore...
@@andrewcarlton6196 I guess that's possible too. I watched the scene again and actually Cloud himself says to Aerith first that Tifa "can handle the likes of him", like Cloud is assuming that Aerith knows Tifa is going to see Don Corneo. So... I guess it does look like just a bit of janky writing after all. OR ELSE "she can handle the likes of him" could be a translation error, if the Japanese version is something more vague like "she can take care of herself". Actually, all of this stuff could in the end just be occasions of mediocre writing and/or translation errors. I think I might be leaning that way once again.
@@hyhhy cloud is more referring to random goon and not necessarily Corneo himself. Aerith sees the worry on his face because he did not want to leave Tifa. I have felt with women both like Tifa and Aerith and many their action in this game are common amoung women in general.
@@hyhhy Indeed, the Japanese version is a bit different. It just has Cloud sayin "she's much stronger than the average guy." Also, right after that, Aerith doesn't say "Aren't you worried about what might happen in there?" what she actually says is "Cloud, she's someone precious to you right?"
Same. After all, in Advent Children there were plenty of people still living in Midgar. Whereas the devs confirmed that Humanity became extinct. I was always disappointed by OG FF7 ending, but I didn't care because I saw what I wanted in Advent Children & Dirge of Cerberus at the time.
@@drudle I suppose... But I dunno, it just felt like everything I (and the FF7 crew) did was meaningless. Also no closure for the main characters except Nanaki? Maybe it would have been more profound if I played it when it came out but when I beat the game it felt a little empty, and I was grateful that Advent Children was around. I don't like my characters dying off screen 😂
@@NPDStudio I get that. But you gotta look at it kind of like Infinity War, I suppose. Thanos won, yeah. And everything sucks. Credits roll. Now we gotta go into the next part ready to make things right and avenge things! Give Cloud a big ol thunder hammer!
Yeah, that was my first thought about her. Aeriths mother was alive like 10 (idk how old Marlene is exactly) years ago, right? I'm pretty sure there was time. And it's possible Barret knows this, and is the reason he's so massively protective of her. She's vital in saving the planet he fights for
The idea of future, lifestream Aerith attempting to change the future from the original is highly plausible. The way the remake played out reminds me of the Evangelion films in the way they started off mostly following the original story, but then changing it up and introducing new elements showing that it's actually a sequel, of sorts, like a time loop.
I has the exact same theory! During the entire game, i felt like Aerith knew way too much. It would not make any sense if she was the one from the original game, she doesn't act like that. The very interesting thing i did not thiught about was the final of the OG showing Aerith, this is so great to think this could have been imagined more than 20 years ago!
exactly! The ending with Aerith's face in OG finally makes sense. This was actually a continuation of the story and original is actually a vision from the Lifestream Aerith saw. That is the reason Aerith is so disturbed at the begining of the Remake, practically running away troubled with what she just saw. On the contrary, in the OG she was just calmly strolling away from the Lifestream.
Your theory is logical, in an extremely convoluted manner. I wouldn't put any of this past Tetsuya Nomura. Actually this seems right in his wheelhouse.
I just had a sudden realisation after watching this and listening to the lyrics of the theme song "Hollow". WHAT IF .... What if what we are experiencing is what has happened to Cloud after he fell into the life stream in original FF7? It would make so much sense, why there are "ghosts" and they force us to follow the destiny, as it already has happened. Also it would make sense, why Aerith knows that much, since she is already dead! (And so part of the life sream). When we meet Aerith the first time, she gives us a flower - this time for free - and says something like "this is for rescuing me" and Cloud answer "I did that?" and she goes on "Well, then it's for the memories" (I am playing the german version, so I don't know exactly the english script). It also would make sense, why Cloud seems to have vision of things, that will happen in the future, since they already happened - and he just remembers! So Aertih is somehow trying to guide us out of the life stream, without loosing out mind, by making us remember. The lyrics of "Hollow" may support this theory, as there it goes: Shine bright once more Guide me to you Smile bright once more This time I will never let you go But I… I know That you’re long gone But I… I will… Go on howling and hollow So Cloud is basically asking Aerith for help and guidance and also that he knows that she is already gone (dead) but he will go on. The other parts of the lyrics would fit as well: I would be lost Drifting along Floating up high Time after time Was it all a dream? Will I never know? (for example) What do you think about this? I really like this idea, because it would fit the former story and there is no need to introduce something like parallel universes oder time traveling. TL;DR: my theory - we are experiencing the things that are cloud are experiencing when he fell into the life stream, and Aerith and Sephiroth are trying influence him to get out/lost.
When I was playing this, there were so many flags going off in my mind. I knew they were planning to do some differences between this one and the original, but once I started getting towards the end I was just amazed. 😂 I’m so excited for the next ones in the line. If there could be a happy ending I would really enjoy it.
Another big thing at the end. Recently some one did a literal translation of the Japanese version of the game. In the English ending when Barret sees Sephiroth, he yells "HEY ASSHOLE"! Aerith stop's him and says "Don't". In the Japanese version Barret says "It's the guy from before"! (reference from when Sephiroth stabs him) Aerith then says "No, it's not". (indicating no this is the real Sephiroth) Also, in the Japanese version of the battle between Sephiroth and Cloud, Sephiroth says "Do you remember the last time Cloud"? (referring to a previous battle they have never had). Seems it's another case of outsourced fanfic translation by Square. Another interesting thing is during that Sepiroth battle is if Tifa enters enters the battle, Sephiroth's attitude completely changes. He goes from being giddy and full of smiles, to a scowl. He stops talking to Cloud and if you switch to Tifa he says things like "Go away". Seems like he knows just how important Tifa is. If you switch to Aerith he will mention "You will never save him".
Usually I like to play games in their original language with subtitles but since the English version of Remake only had dubtitles, I didn't bother. Also I actually enjoyed the English cast. However I was curious about the changes for the dialogue due to the localization mainly the jokes. I don't speak Japanese but I'm fluent in Chinese so I was able to watch gameplay of the Hong Kong version of Remake which had Chinese subtitles according to the Japanese dialogue and noticed immediately a lot of differences from the English. I'll have to watch more.
@@vangmx I agree. I enjoyed what they did with the English version. I think the voice talent knocked it out of the park. I can imagine another cast doing as well. The issue I have is when major story information gets replaced with cursing or just removing said dialogue completely. Square has been known to have a iffy process of localization. The candidates are quite literally asked to write a fanfic from the viewpoint of a character. I think we see quite a bit of this within the English version of the remake. I don't expect it to be perfect. It's really hard to translate from Japanese to English while retaining the full meaning and context. It just sucks that we would have more answers to all of this speculation with proper localization.
@@das1549 Yeah, I totally agree. It's like what my college professor who once said, "Translation is betrayal". No matter what you do with a translation, no matter how hard you try to keep the original tone or meaning, it can't compare to actually knowing the original language, in this case, Japanese. Also, it seems some of the original script was lost during translation as you had shown in your example. Still, as a native English speaker, I highly enjoyed the English version and I think many enjoyed it too, even with some of its flaws and minor faults.
They did battle before, sephiroth is talking about the battle at the factory of nibelheigm. Cloud says at the first encounter. “Your not real.......I killed you with my” so yes they battled before.
@@KnightBX They didn't fight, really. Cloud stabbed Sephiroth in the back when he was staring at Jenova, and then Sephiroth stabbed Cloud in the bridge, and Cloud threw him to the lifestream. There were no fight because Cloud wasn't even near the level of Sephiroth.
If Aerith is actually a "time traveler", it would explain even more her scene in the Chapter 14 resolution with Cloud when he asks her if "this is a dream" and Aerith replies "I don't know, you tell me" implying it could not be a dream, but a manifestation of herself through the lifestream, we also see like an aurora borealis of lifestream in the sky. She also touches Cloud's face, but when Cloud tries to grab her, she turns to mako and vanishes. Maybe the Aerith we use as a character in the game, is always a "physical" representation of her will through the lifestream, from the future, and not a "real" person. I'm also thinking about chapter nine when you leave Aerith's house as Cloud without telling her or even wake her up, but she is waiting for Cloud in the way to sector 7, just where she needs to be at every time.
@@andrewcarlton6196 i don't disagree with the subpar part (never did like Nomura's style) but I'm open to reimagining of things. I don't have a hard on for nostalgia. If i want the OG story, then I'll play the OG game. If the new story is good enough, then I'll keep going with it. To be fair, the OG FF7 story was kinda meh anyways so I didn't come into this game with high expectations.
Heard all of the theories by now (moderating the FF7R sub, so I have to read them anyway for spoilerprotecting others). The 3 Whispers from the future are definetely not the mainparty. If they are from the future, where is the rest of the party, Cid Yuffie etc? Loz Yazoo Kadaj fit way better, in absorbing elements and weapons and logic. That means FF7AC is not gonna be canon anymore to our timeline due to the Harbingers/Whispers demise, so that means even the overall ending is open, which fits with what RedXIII said about the "bad ending" we got. That leads to Rufus. He saw the Whispers so something is going on with him, and since FF7AC is not canon to our timeline, he can now die instead of survive. And that leads to Aerith. It definetely creates the possibility of her surviving now if above points are correct (since she's dead in FF7AC). I hope SQEX doesn't do that, it's such a major thing. I really hope they go with teasing us to save her when in fact it will be impossible. Just the tease of "maybe we CAN save her" with many choices in the game etc they create the illusion, and thats gonna be just as good as in the OG.
One thing I haven't seen anyone talk about yet is the different decisions by characters. Yes the Whispers fix or try to keep things on track, but why are characters deviating from the plan? What changed to motivate Barret from not including Cloud in the second bombing misson or to give Tifa second thoughts about it? Since the Lifestream is basically a recycling of things I just assumed Aerith watched the whole outcome of the first game and now just has all that knowledge while Sephiroth having some control with the Lifestream and Jenova cells basically time traveled in some sense.
Omg...I'm so stoked about this game. I have to know what happens next! I'm going mad just thinking of all the possibilities. I for one, am GLAD it's not a straight up remake of the original. I'm all about the possibility of time travel and alternate universes/dimensions; it's something I think about daily. So to have these ideas in the FF7 compilation, I feel like the story was written just for me! 😍🥰
As a college student that stayed up until 5am in '97 to finish this, I agree...the old FF7 story is completely played out - was told across like 5 games...time for a new story
Don’t get too excited, you may find better theories yourself that make the story better but when the actual game comes out and turns out bad you will be very disappointed, the fact they brought this meta writing to this game is a shame really but hopefully they make something that can outshine the original, highly doubt it
you know for a fact that the reason why she beat cloud to sector fives entrance was that she was waiting for him to sneak out and pestering him if he messed up. but the instant he left you know she booked it the instance he got around that bend in the hill. probably jumped out her window and everything and started sprinting, in a full dress mind you. she might not look it but the girl can run and she knows the area way better then cloud ever will.
Ok so say we all agree that Aerith heard Tifa say Marlene at the train graveyard... still doesn't explain how she knew Marlene's dad is Barret when talking to Marlene.. and if its time travel then I would think its has more to do with Aerith traveling to the past via the lifestream and retaining her memories of events from first game..
At the plate pillar Tifa and Cloud mention Barrett being up there fighting. Aerith could have assumed the only other person the two have mentioned being connected to this important little girl. She first asks Marlene if she means Barrett by saying "daddy." Not disagreeing per se, but there is still reasoning behind her assumption.
It's the same thing as Sephiroth. She doesn't come from the future, but she knows somehow about the future because her ability to speak with the planet, and whispers are part of the planet. Since whispers are part of the lifestream she actually knows about them, and because of it, knows something about the future, the difference from Sephiroth is that she has not complete knowledge since she's half ancient and can't master her skills. That's why she acts like she acts, that's why she's able to transfer knowledge (like to Red XIII) but she doesn't understand everything fully. She's not totally aware but since she can comunicate with the planet in some way, she also knows about the whispers. But she's not a calculator, she genuinely doesn't know stuff completely and that's why she's impulsive and insicure at the same time.
Don't forget that Jenova can take different forms and may be playing with Cloud's head as Sephiroth further pushing him into the events that "must occur."
I remember playing this the first time through ans when she said Marlene before Tifa I was confused. I just chalked it up to them maybe having a conversation off screen......but now.....I don't know ha ha.
@Águila701 I feel like she guessed as cloud has Zacs old solider armour and his buster sword. And Aerith is a Cetra so maybe she can sense Zac in cloud. But future Aerith is sounding more legit the more I hear about it. And for Marlene theres that scene at the train yard of marlene crying and tifa say " Marlene" so maybe she just connected the dots maybe
@Águila701 yeah true. see the future not from future. It's honestly pretty interesting to see how this next part unfolds. Legit like is zac alive. Does Aerith know what's going to happen.
I still think that instead of Sephiroth and Aerith traveling in time, there was a time rewind overall. Aerith retains her memories (same as Sephiroth) and that also could explain why Cloud has visions from the future, because he already lived all of this. Wedge also had a "feeling" of something bad happening. It's probable that all of these characters ARE from the OG, but time went back.
But why not just their consciousness travelling through time just like in Steins;Gate? Aerith and Sephiroth could have used the lifestream itself as a method of traveling. And consciousness is mentioned a lot throughout the Final Fantasy VII universe.
would make a lot of sense, the game/story is technicaly happening again, just in another format/generation of hardware. but that would be meta to the point of ridicoulousness. deadpool levels of meta narrative. if they pull it off, it could make the ff7 compilation even better, but if they fail, oh boy, they would loose infinit amounts of reputation 😐
Considering that sephiroth is encased in a giant mako crystal and is mentally linked to the lifestream he would be in a plane of existence that allows him to see past present and future, and all variants of such. The original game only touched on his omnipotence but this is on an entirely different level. In I think August 06 issue of EGM with Advent Children on the cover there's a Q&A with some of the ff7 team in regards to a remake, and they did say that if they did do a remake that they would add much more context and fix all the plot holes and unanswered questions, and connect all of the stories from crisis core to dirge of cerberus. It'll all make sense in the end I'm sure of it. Edit, Weiss and deepgriund will play a huge part In the alternate timeline because omega is the weapon the planet summons as a last resort, right under midgar, which is why midgar is even more destroyed 500 years later in the original but Vincent/Chaos defeats it in DoC Not sure if it'll be the same in the remake but it is food for thought. Chaos is supposed to be another weapon type from the planet but since Vincent gains control of it he technically defies fate.
Wow, another very smart in depth look. I agree, of course. I noticed all of this, but it feels nice to see someone cover all the specifics like this. To refresh my memory and keep the ball rolling on theories, as it were. Its always seemed clear to me that both Aerith and Sephiroth somehow know everything that happens in the original FFVII, and may have for the entire remake game somehow. The last video I saw of yours and this one, get my brain thinking more on it.
@Soldier_1stClass That quote that you cited from Kitase at about the 1:38 mark is in no way a confirmation of humans being extinct at the end of FF7. Read the entire interview and pay attention to the fact that he and Nomura are musing over the various interpretations that people have over the game. He ends the interview with a joke, referencing the fan theory that people were wiped out. However it is in no way a confirmation that this is the true ending. He simply acknowledges the theory, the way he acknowledges many other fan theories in that interview.
I just got this chills, it’s feeling that we’ve might be playing an identical looking recreation of FF7 but this one was already on a different path the second we started playing, the team didn’t change fate, the action may be part of fate itself, the new route. Just speculation, don’t take it too seriously.
When you really evaluate the changes they've made you realize they've made the story not just more fleshed out, but help mend the convolution of the original itself with these details. Part of fleshing out Aerith and/or Sephiroth is adding more, because they were secretive / cryptic. And with the lore and possibilities about the Lifestream, The Cetra, and perhaps even The Promised Land, that come straight from dialog in the original, fleshing that out, lends itself to this kind of storyline. It also allows them to remake the experience you had when playing the original. Let me ask you this: How angry and confused were you after part 1 of the original? Exactly...
I just beat this game this morning. I love this theory, and totally believe time travel is involved. I wonder if there is something about the life stream that lets Aerith and Sephiroth time travel, or is it something else? It makes so much sense to me thinking of it all this way, and I cant wait to see where this all goes. This game was EPIC!
Very interesting. I remember that scene before Cloud and Aerith begins to move to sector 6. By the way, I've got some Bad News about the next Episodes of the Remake: I just found out that Keiji Fujiwara passed away in April 12th at age of 55. 😢 He's Reno's Japanese voice from Final Fantasy VII since Last Order and Advent Children. He's also Axel/Lea from Kingdom Hearts, Sigint and Drebin from Metal Gear Solid, Eleanor from Gundam 8th MS Team, Haku from Utawarerumono, Maes Hughes from Full Metal Alchemist and the Japanese Dub of Heath Ledger Joker from Dark Knight Dubbing up to Batman Arkham Knight.
I think your right on more then one account...mainly Aerith as not a time traveler, but she can "speak" through the boundless, timeless mako energy of the planet itself and her future selves speaking to her through the energy. I don't think it is in fact time travel per say....but they can definitely transmit a "spirit hologram" just like Sephiroth did in the end. I don't think Sephiroth can be traditionally killed ever because of this. He is one with the dark energies of the planet and ying yang principal states you can't have one without the other which is my theory on the one winged angel. He is the dark and Aerith is in fact the light....and I think we will see this she might even sprout a white ethereal left wing at one point if she does my theory is correct. That means the Sephiroth wee see is actually Sephiroth post advent children! crazy huh. I think Aerith already knows all the events that take place and the whispers are grinding her knowledge away little by little to prevent her from changing her fate. If that's true they might throw a curve ball in there.....if Aerith isn't killed then who? Tifa? Barret? Marlene? or will this be entirely prevented all together this time around twisting the timelines even further. This is infact a remake of the timeline rather then a remake of the game.....that is 100% a toriyama twist.
The planet talks to her, she receives knowledge through the lifestream (just like Sephiroth). That's how she knows shit that others don't or knows things that haven't been mentioned through others.
the ghost things seem to act a lot like the bodachs in odd thomas. Only difference is that if you look at them, or rather, if they know you can see them, they'll kill you. they are attracted to death, the more there are, the more death that follows. like, i think they smell death or something. they look practically identical to the ones in the movie though, i guess the way they look is quite common as well. i think what reminds me of it though, is that when odd thomas finds them, he goes out on a limb to change the future so that no one dies. big heartbreaker of a movie too. the series is Dean Koontz magnum opus, makes me wonder if the people at squenix took some kind of inspiration from it.
So going back and playing the fight against sephiroth, it may have been a coincidence in the fight but there’s a part when you switch to Aerith and he teleports behind her ( it’s like a small clip sequence) he says “The remembrance” let me know if anyone else noticed.
I think the developers idea of the remake was that they want you to play the original as it was intended without side stories to add to the lore, because there are major parts in the second part of 7 that you could skip (like getting Vincent, even though he has his own game), which Square would probably make mandatory to get in another part of the remake. Or that the scenes with Zack are optional to view (even though crisis core was a thing). Also in the 2nd parts of FF7, Aerith seems to have a good idea of what shes doing, as it pushes the game to its most climatic scene, so its not super far off that she also knows what shes doing in the first part without her being from the future. There's also information about Seph's genes in the remake that is only revealed in advent children. So my guess is that in this Remake (and if it gets a sequel) the developers want to make a super concise story of FF7 that isn't dependent on what you know previously.
I don't mind convolution if it makes sense. I do mind a deus ex machina, because it's very artificially imposed and contrived. I believe Sakaguchi and Kitase would have written a far better story.
....God if only we had Sakaguchi....I'm one if the people who really liked this game(even the ending)but I worry Mr. Nomura might take things wayyy too far. Only time will tell, but they definitely made me even more excited for part 2.
The very definition of "convolution" is that it doesn't' make sense. It's tangled and doesn't work well. I think what you mean is that it's complex and intricate, in which case, I totally agree with you.
Iggy Ig I don’t know Nomura definitely push a lot of things in kingdom heart because he’s extremely passionate to his own series Well FF7 he has so much high regard to the series that he wouldn’t push things too far in the term as far as the square has done to the series FF7 before in it Compilation
Its 20 years nomura makes the same shit in every game, light and darkness, the fucking heartless tornado, the darkside from kh with the same fucking attack, latin names, shitty story, bad writing. I will say this, the next episode will start with zack and the nibelheim incident, just like kh2 begin with roxas, fucking nomura.
Her secret: she has played the original game and knows what to do
I bet she is baffled that things are not like in the Original game. Like who is this Andrea guy?
LOL
Well , she didn't play the original game but she sure forewatched the entire original story in that alley, so she knows what to do.
fucking speedrunners taking over the world smh
Technically yeah
alternate timeline has been confirmed: Aerith kills sephiroth with her Chair limit break when Sephiroth is praying to summon the Black Materia
Lmao...that's great!
@Tawny Splittgill yea even with the red dress knowyourmeme.com/photos/1845677-aerith-chair
@@ForTehNguyen in original sephiroth kills aerith
In remake aerith kill sephiroth
I'm all for it.
@@ForTehNguyen LOL
The big line that told me Aerith knows more is when she said “Listen to me, the Shinra Electric Company is not the real enemy.”
JackCoxx she said the planet was speaking through her though
She can communicate with the planet. She knows the biggest threat is Sephiroth. It's not really that much of a secret. The whispered, while incredibly orange-blue on the morality scale, are just another defensive layer that's there to protect the planet.
She does something similar in the original as well.
For me it was the dream sequence when she said "Don't fall in love with me" I feel that whole section was meant to imply that Cloud's possible feelings for aerith were because of Zack, but it just felt... solemn; like she doesn't wan't Cloud to be hurt when her fated death happens.
@@kagamine14 I think so, and this time she tries her best to make Cloud and Tifa a couple.
I’m just now realizing that in the original game’s opening and ending where you see Aerith, the 2 scenes are actually different. In the opening her eyes are already open, in the ending she is opening her eyes. The remake’s opening shows her opening her eyes. Like she just witnessed the events of the original game. 🤯
Would that mean the original game was Aerith seeing a possible future and the Remake is her trying to use that knowledge to adjust the timeline for a better outcome?
So technically, Aerith watched the entire walkthrough of the original ff7 from the leaking mako pipe.
talk about leaked spoiler
Omg...😲
:mindblowing: we are playing FF7-2 all this time without even noticing it :O
Thank you. All these Podcaster go this time line theroies. I see it as Aerith that we know has gifts and can see the future or the lifestream tells her. It makes alot more sense that the og was a vision of the future. The whispers can be that the planet is trying to protect its future. And now Sephiroth who we know is in the lifestream and can use it to his will, some what. He nows the planets vision too and they both are trying to come up with another ending
I’ve aways thought Aerith is the most important character in FFVII. Now it’s more apparent in this remake.
Aerith and Cloud are most important
the guidebook thay was released for this game actually said word for word that she is the most important character! good guess!!
@@ZeldaFan0o0 so does that mean, her death in the original FF7 wasn't meant to happen? if they say that she is the most important character, then she really needs to be alive bruh
There is also the line she says “don’t fall in love with me” like she is uncertain she will survive and already knows the story
That was a dream. It’s also heavily implied it’s an already dead Aerith, probably the Aerith from the original timeline, which is why she would know so much already and that Aerith is speaking to herself in the Lifestream through time and space. Remember, there’s a shitload of references to FFX and the Far Plane
"Do I get a say in all this?"
It’s almost like FFX where Auron is unsent except this time it’s Aerith. The original Aerith from the first game stayed in tact with the life stream traveled to this timeline to warn the party members of what’s to come. Just like he said at the end of the original game you see Aerith and the beginning of remake it’s her in front of the same mako energy. I could be wrong but, it makes sense when she’s telling cloud that falling in love with her isn’t real. Part 2 can’t come out soon enough.
It's a memory from arieth after she is dead,or maybe makes more sense its clouds memories.
But she follows with "It's not real" I always felt dream Aerith was pointing out that Cloud's feelings for Aerith aren't real and inherited from Zack. Aside from the crazy fate timeline, a slightly more subtle change they're making is they are heavily implying early on that Cloud isn't who he appears to be.
I noticed Aeriths odd behavior pretty early but didn’t quite notice it fully until the scene where Aerith, Tifa, and Cloud were in the sewers.
Tifa stops and comments on her worries and says “We have to get there in time to stop it. We have to.” Aeriths response was a sad “Right..”. Tifa right away notices her demeanor and says “Aerith what are you not telling me” and she goes “Huh?” But gets interrupted by Cloud.
That was the moment I realized she knows a lot more than the others. Let me know if any of you remember this scene! I found it again while watching the cutscenes to quote it correctly.
Yeah i noticed tifa actually makes that comment a lot and is alway interrupted. We never find out what it is but i played the whole game knowing she dies and we lose. The last of the ancients perished and the human race died in ff7. we all played knowing these terrible facts and we still played it again and again. it feels like they added that feeling of knowledge to these characters. In some small way it really made these characters relatable.
Wow you are right. Something was not right about Aerith. She was not the same Aerith from the first game.
I think she like know what happen because her connection with shinra, but that's no way, the real reason is She know exactly what happen to sector 7
I do remember that scene, I remember thinking that poor Tifa was so worried and just had to get there to help and I had this feeling that Aerith already knew that the plate was going to fall and the others were going to die and there was nothing that any of them could do about it.
@@stevehouck2061 When 3 of them in ghost train. Maybe they could save Jessie and Biggs, but because it wasn't their real destiny the three of them were blocked by whisper. I feel bad for Aerith, how she can change the destiny of that world.
Aerith and Red XIII: "We're in the Endgame now."
Nah this is the moment Dr. Strange looking at any timeline where they win
Sephiroth gets a more powerful materia than the black one and gets the infinity materia and does the sephiroth snap and makes80 percent of the population dissappear lol
@@Fureiji88 well technically thats the ending with red 13 running with his cubs.
@@Fureiji88 but at this point, anything is on the table. Sephiroth is playing for keeps this time.
@@Fureiji88 he even snaps sora 😂
After listening to the ending theme a couple of times I’m realizing that the lyric “this time I’ll never let you go” makes me feel like your theory is valid
I agree. Cloud (and myself) don't want Aerith to die this time.
Of course! That entire song is about being given a second chance, which is exactly what the entire thing with destiny and Aerith are about.
The Aerith we saw in the resolution scene might be the Aerith from the future, you know the one from the original timeline. When you think about it it makes sense all the words she said especially warning Cloud not to fall for her. Then she said she was glad to meet Cloud, grateful for all the words they shared, all the moments and memories, that he made her more happy than he know. Those were probably the words Aerith wanted to tell Cloud before she died but couldnt. Thats just my point of view.
100% on board with you!
wow, that is my favorite scene in the whole game, and this theory makes it even better. good call
She says even if you do, its not real. I think she may have been referring to Zachs love for her and how cloud has inherited much of him. Maybe even his feelings
Maybe this Aerith is Sephiroth himself, maybe he already killed Aerith. But who knows...
@@aloneinthelight7754 sephiroth aint that soft with words lol but eh anything is possible ! speculation is what Kitase want us to think before the next installment.
My head is COMPLETELY SPUN OUT on this final fantasy stuff. I finished the game 8 hours ago and I have not left the house because I've been going down these rabbit holes. There's no end to it. I better stop.
lol you and me both brother lol
Hahahhaahahah
I just beat it and immediately came to TH-cam to watch ending thought videos and now I'm like....dis tew much. Can we just stick to the original story? They already changed a lot....mostly good stuff ...some bad stuff..my head hurts.
@@keroleena1 I agree. I wish they would stick to the original story.
Get help- Cloud Strife
Actually, Aerith did hear Marlene’s name in the train graveyard when the girl transforms into Marlene in front of Tifa. Tifa yells out her name and says we are wasting time and we have to save Marlene and the others.
Came here to say this exact part.
I just made a comment on this then seen yours hahaha!
That's how I assumed Aerith knew about Marline
Actually going to comment this but u already did:) nice!
Thank you for saving me time 👍🏼
Just saw this myself. No Aerith from the future evidence here.
Aerith: Tries to keep time travelling obscure.
Meanwhile, Sephiroth: Yeeting himself place to place just to give Cloud headaches.
THATS👏NOT👏CLOUD!👏
The real cloud dies killing sephiroth in the climax of the Kalm flashback. And that monstrous looking thing that breaks out of its pod, sees the whole thing and modeled itself in the image of the planets new apex predator.
A trait of the jenova cells is that it gives the host a chameleon-like effect that molds them into the inherent memories of those around them. A survivor instinct if you will.
That clone sought out clouds friends because he thinks he’s cloud. But the main character of 7 isn’t who we think he is. The real cloud died defending those he loves and that’s why the new one thinks the town burnt down. He heard clouds words. Thought the town was in cinders.
@@Gir-Riff-raffe uh.. clouds original hometown did burn down so he's not wrong.... He wasn't thinking.. he was having a hallucination to crisis cores events
@@bradDark6941 lol naw I’m not recognizing anything that was made after 1998. Sorry.
@@Gir-Riff-raffethen be ignorant and dumb lmao just don’t be mad when no one cares about your opinion😂
@@Gir-Riff-raffeand if that’s the case don’t play the game or comment on videos if it’s made after 1998 you fucking weirdo
From the original game:
Tifa
"I wonder what Aeris felt... when she was on that altar?"
Cloud
"I'm sure she wanted to give her life for the planet..."
Tifa
"Really? I wonder? I don't think that's it at all."
"I think she didn't think she would die at all, but that she planned on coming back all along."
"She always used to talk about the 'next time'."
"She talked about the future more that any of us..."
"Although she never said anything to us about it, she must've had a rough life”
"I think Aeris looked forward to tomorrow and the future more than anyone.”
"She must've had many, many dreams...”
And turned out FF7R is not a dream, it's a nightmare.
@@LakrimaProject lol. I love it, I think it's great!
my fucking heart
I didn't recall that part, it's beautiful
Same, especially in all these “ What she knew all along“ speculation video. I honestly am astounded by the sheer possibilities and little Easter eggs. Man wow. Aerith is such a bad ass, possibly my all-time favorite.
The emotion cloud shows with aerith is insane she brings something out of him
I can relate to that
Man when she said don't fall in love with me I literally balled
Ain't it crazy how the graphics in the game are able to display that level of emotion?
I’m literally so blind to all of the hidden meanings behind everything💀 I’m just like “slash slash, Fire, block, SEPHIROTH!”
I read that last part in my head with the cadence of Sephiroth's boss fight music from the OG, choir and all lol.
SEPHIROTH! bumbumtsss
Haha fire go siz siz.
All these theories get debunked at some point so I would take it with a grain of salt (although it's fun to talk about)
@@6fingerfist325 Hahahaahahahha mee too XD
They really need to give us an expansion or something on Aetith's point of view. She has soooo much character development.
aerith was playing the original final fantasy 7 on her iphone the whole time in that alley next to the mako pipes
This is not aerith time travelling or whatever, she just got premonitions from the future in that back alley through the lifestream at the beginning of the remake. Thats why she was so scared and knows stuff. the OG ending showed remake aerith opening her eyes to the entire premonition
JugbandGates thanks!!!! This whole "time traveling" and "second timeline" bullshit's flooding the whole internet and I'm just like "no, this theory is wrong on so many levels"...guess that's what happen when people watch too much Rick and Morty and start to believe they're the most intelligent beings on earth 🤦♂️
@@rageFareith wtf 😄
Please explain why Biggs is alive then. Explain wedge being dragged from the window by whispers. Go on. I’ll wait.
I don’t believe it’s time travel more like FF7 Aerith somehow communicated with remake Aerith and told her she needs to change these events. The planet never wanted the last cetra to die and for Sephiroth and his Jenova cells to control the lifestream so Aerith is trying to change that. When the two of them communicated it triggered the whispers since we know they basically started with Aerith and appeared to cloud after she touched him and he got involved in changing fate.
I think so too there is a good theory about this that makes more sense than time line or time travel redd.it/g6an7l
This Remake is definitely not FF7 that we know even if we experienced the scenes of Midgar we all know and love but timeline has been changed because of our actions with the party defeating Arbiters of Fate. So buckle up for an Unknown Journey into Part 2! 👀 I am excited to see where it goes from here
Yep, sums it up for me, it’s a whole new ride
@@dimitriosgladio059 Yeah definitely is, we need to throw the OG timeline out the door, because this is a new FF game with the members from FF7 in it 😎
And me, I loved it. Cant wait for the next part.
J19 Shugz89 I know, it’s like FFXVI with FFVII world and characters, I love it so much, it’s not the OG but that’s what makes this great,
@@dimitriosgladio059 Yeah for sure but FF7 the sequal basically because FF16 is being worked on
I thought it was totally suspicious of her to reply "oh... right" in that specific tone to Cloud saying that Sephiroth might still be alive. It's as if she's saying "oh... right...you don't know yet". My first reaction to this was "why you say this?? What do you know??"
It's a totally out of place reply of her, at that moment I thought she definitely knows more than she tells... I agree with your theory and I'm actually expecting to see it play out in the next part!
That bit where Aerith walks away and cloud cry’s, the music is temple of the ancients (I believe)! Aerith is my MVP in this game, I genuinely fell in love with this character all over again. I definitely think this is a sequel, don’t think the ending was handled great from a story telling aspect, but with that perspective and going back to play the game again it makes me super excited about the next game.
I agree 100% with this. You can really notice Aerith has lived this already when she rescues Tifa and meets her for the "first" time.
So true. She talked to Tifa like she already knows her and Tifa seems confused. She also clearly already knows that the sector 7 plate is going to fall so she most likely just wanted to make sure that not as many people died this time around.
My take on it is that she witnessed the events of the original game, from the opening scene of her to the ending scene. It was her seeing what happens to herself and everyone else. So at the end of original, she decides to try to stop it and thats where we start the remake at.
What gave it away for me was “lovers would give these when they reunited.” 🥺
LIGHT //93 that has more meaning with tifa
Goku sama Kakarotto when Cloud gives it to her, sure but it’s different when Aerith gives it to him and says that considering that’s not what happened in the original no matter if you bought it or not.
@@agssilv5919 the flowers literally symbolizes aerith as a whole, the flowers will always have a greater connection to aerith than tifa. and being aerith the one saying its a reunion flower just solidifies it, cloud just gave it to tifa, nothing more nothing else.
@@queencard97 yeah and the secret cutscene confirms this.
Goku sama Kakarotto also When Cloud gave the flower to Tifa, is wasn’t technically a reunion for them. Since they had already reunited when Tifa ran into him at the station. So yeah.
as long as Aerith is alive, im fine with it..didnt think my heart can take the second time of the demise in full HD lmao
Lmao same, I was like okay whatever as long as Aerith doesn't die this time
Soon as the game started I saw her and heard the music I was almost in tears, I can’t watch her die again lol
But Aerith dying is one of the thing that made FF7 a legendary game. A lot of good story are composed with great vilains and painfull death. If you remove this FF7O is not FF7O anymore. Let's see what remake will bring us ! :D
On a very personal lvl,I agree with you. But OG FF7 being a great game is to me,that is. Is the story itself. Aerith played a huge part in me liking the game. I cried some when she died,but I accepted it and left the game 10 stars bc of it. I have never ever cried or feel emotional because of a game before that.I probably would've given the game a 7 or an 8 otherwise
Glad to see you are still discovering all of the awesome story pieces that this amazing game has to offer!
Also 2 interesting things to note are:
1: You don't fight future Cloud, Barret and Tifa in the final fights, but instead it is Kadaj, Loz and Yazoo (the 3 from Advent Children). They got the same weapons as in the movie, Kadaj with the shorter sword using fire attacks, Loz with his electrocuting fist weapon using lighting based attacks and Yazoo with his 2 guns using aero attacks (his element is confirmed in the wiki). In addidion, they summon Bahamut like they do in Advent Children.
2: In chapter 12, while talking to Wedge, Aerith knows that the plate WILL drop on Sector 7 and Wedge says "But...something in my gut tells me we're due for a reckoning. Just this...feeling. Know what I mean?", Aerith replies with "Yeah...I do."
I'm so interested in where they're going to take the story. Keep up the great work Soldier!
7:28 "Now correct me if I'm wrong but I don't remember Aerith ever hearing about Marlene"
- The train graveyard. They see a "ghost" of Marlene and Tifa calls her name. That said, there's no explanation of who the girl is. However it could be easily inferred the girl is precious to Tifa so easy enough for Aerith to guess later.
So it doesn't hold as big a weight to this claim. That said, I don't disagree.
XavierDarkhand I was thinking during the scene where she says she needs to go save Marlene that it was kind of a stretch that Aerith would have picked up on that name, or to have made such strong assumptions as she did, after just one mention. I was remember being slightly annoyed at the lazy writing in that scene, especially where the rest of the video game was more polished in writing and character development. This theory would not only make that cutscene less cringey but would make it one of the best moments of foreshadowing I have ever seen in a video game.
However, if Tifa saw the girl as a ghost in the Train Graveyard, wouldn't Aerith assume that Marlene is dead? How did she know Marlene was alive to begin with?
@@TheGoodMorty95 Hmm, because she herself started having odd visions at the end; even seeing herself as a child?
Nah; there's no story element that describes anything, or even why Tifa saw Marlene here in the first place. So whichever way this is taken, the only thing we know for certain is Aerith heard Marlene's name spoken here. She didn't hear that she was Barret's daughter, or anything about her. Sadly there's too little detail to answer definitively, in either respect. That's why I didn't say this issue holds *no* claim in this respect, just less of one because it's a little muddy.
As in; she definitely heard the name, we just have no story proof of her thought process following that. What we *do* see later is her imbuing memories into Marlene, presumably to make her trust her/calm her down so they could actually leave the bar on time. So yes this is all suspect.
Hey, he didn't show this in the video, but Aerith also knew where the bar was. She askes Wedge "Isn't it this way" (rephrasing) she knew exactly where the bar was and didnt even need Wedge to show her.
However, how did aerith know marlene's dad is barret?
Oh shit!!! That Aeris scene at the beginning of the remake would actually make sense being the end of the original. My mind is completely blown by that one 😲
me too :mindblown:
check the comment above, that guy blown my mind too.
OG opening, Aerith's eyes are already opened.
OG ending: Aerith is opening her eyes.
Remake opening: Aerith is opening her eyes.
THAT IS MIND BLOWNING :v :v
@@NP-Channel i dont get the theory haha
@@KairuKudo he says that in ps1 intro her eyes were open-she was not opening them like in remake as if she relived everything
Timur Hodzic As if the OG FF7 was a premonition to Aerith which is why she knows everything already.
Cloud:“ I think sepiroth is alive”
Aerith: “right...”
She's already know that
I think she was always in tune with Sephiroth even in the original. My gut says it’s because Sephiroth carries the strongest parts of Jenova in his body. Aerith is a Cetra, so it was the Cetra’s job to guard the planet from the calamity of the skies aka Jenova. Hence why she has such a strong connection with him in both games. She knew he was alive both times. I’m not so sure it’s a time travel thing though.
I like that when you said A remake not the game but to the timeline.
Nice !
For the moment where Cloud shed a tear.
When I saw that, I immediately remembered the moment in the Original when she comes to Cloud in a dream to tell him she's leaving and then run away from Cloud for him to never see her again before her death. I don't really thing he saw anything in particular, just that he felt what he felt when he saw her leaving. But of course he probably did not understand it.
Before touching Nanaki, Aerith also says "This child is a friend".
Child ? How can she know Nanaki is still considered a child for his species ?
There is A LOT of little hints like that during the game that you truly acknowledge on the second playthrough.
Definitely more a Sequel that a simple Remake.
Unless time travel is involved that doesn't make it a sequel. For a sequel one of the main characters essentially needs to be the same. If Aerith is simply aware of future events she's merely a mystic character as opposed to the exact same one from the original. Personally I think what we've seen is fan service, the sort of thing you'd expect from a remake of a classic.
Time will obviously tell, but with what we actually know at the moment, nobody can say either way for certain.
I agree, there's no way Cloud saw the entire scene of her death in detail and then just decided to say nothing about it to anyone. Emotional memory / premonition is much more believable to me.
Serena Not saying it’s fact, but Aerith knowing Red is a child doesn’t necessarily need to have a mystical reason. It’s possible she knows what he is (her mother/inherent Cetra knowledge could apply) or that, having been in Hojo’s dungeon of delights before, she may have seen or heard about him previously, either around the lab in general, from one of Hojo’s ego-stroking monologues, or maybe even something that one of the Turks may have said (since they might have been the ones to bring him in originally.) Lots of possibilities and opportunities for her to know that.
Again, not saying she didn’t know mystically (and not sure if it matters in either case), but it’s explainable in other ways without bending plausibility too much.
Also she warns cloud to not fall in with her, so she definitely knows something will happen. Not sure if they actually time travelled but at this point anything could happen.
I don't like any of this at all. Now she can see the future?
I think its Aerith from the lifestream. In that scene, you could actually see green objects which looks exactly like a lifestream. I guess the current Aerith (remake version) somewhat communicated with the lifestream Aerith so she now has somewhat of an idea on what will happen in the future and thats why at the end of the remake she was very worried because now they wont know anymore.
@@andreseh87 she saw the future in the original game
She can also hear the planet talk to her so maybe it's telling her what's going to happen and when!
Maybe she's not from the future. Maybe she's just the weird girl in the block who can see stuffs like premonitions.
I had the same idea about Marlene, in the beginning of the game after coming back from reactor 1 , Marlene asked Barret if the people who died, go back to the planet, I thought instantly that she was an ancient too!
Interesting theory. Even in the sewers when Tifa was so worried after hearing Corneo, Aerith seems to know what was about to happen. And there was a part there where Tifa noticed Aerith's mysterious silence and asked her "What are you not telling me?" ... Aerith also mentioned that she believes that "the Future is not set in stone", giving a glimpse that they can change destiny.
daboyax i think that too, because why would you tell this to someone who fear the plate to fall, he didn't fall yet so this make no sense unless she already know what's gonna happen and try to prevent
I kinda figured aerith knew the future. It’s pretty obvious. Especially since she says “the flowers are trying to tell us something, I feel they will be needed one day. But there is a requirement first...” she was hinting advent children. People needed the flowers to stop geostigma. So it’s pretty clear she knows what’s going on.
It's even before that that Tifa is suspicious of Aerith and her intentions and motives. In the Japanese translation, after they fall into the sewers, if you wake up Tifa, the correct literal translation of what she says to Cloud for "You sure there isn't anything else going on?" is "I wonder why she is giving help to us?" Also, to further point out that that is the correct translation and that the intention of the scene is Tifa questioning Aerith's motives and intentions, they translated in French as "tu sais pourquoi elle t'aide, au moins?" meaning "Do you know why she is helping you, at least?" Again, expressing doubt about Aerith's intentions and motives. In Italian, which is more accurate than the French since it's just a subtitle translation and not a voice acting translation, she says "chissà perché ci aiuta?" meaning "who knows why she helps us?" Again expressing doubt about Aerith's intentions and motives. In Korean, which is the most accurate due to Korean and Japanese naturally being the easiest to translate between each other by far, she says "왜 우리를 도와주는 걸가?" which is pretty much word for word exactly the same as Japanese, meaning "I wonder why she is helping us?" If you translate the Japanese in literal terms, the key words are "tasukete" (助けて), meaning "help us," "kureru" (くれる), meaning "give" speaking from the receiver point of view, which in this case is Tifa and Cloud, and "no kana" (のかな), meaning "I wonder." Translating to "I wonder why she is giving help to us." In every case, it's expressing suspicions about Aerith's motives and intentions.
Wedge also notices that Aerith already knows that the plate is going to fall, and nothing can be done to avoid it.
@@back2back379 , that's interesting. The Eng translation misleads to a "jealous" Tifa. Good to know the true context of her question.
Interestingly enough too, in the church when you first meet her. She says something about her Materia being useless. The camera zooms into her hair and she points at it too but... nothing is there? There's no Materia? Sure it could be hidden inside the bow but then why zoom in to show us nothing?
She's already used it, it's been dropped already. Almost like Clouds visions are actually the past.
Her past at least.
EDIT: This game is a freaking sequel! It actually IS FF7-2 lol.
Interesting! Nice catch.
That's a great observation. There was something extremely unsettling about the moment she mentioned the white materia yet there was nothing to be seen in her ribbon. That was definitely intentional.
That was an interesting detail.
I think this game is the invocation of the Holy materia in the original FF7.
The entire plot of the game might be happening within the lifestream in the last 7 seconds before the meteor strike, and so Aries is able to interact with the other characters. So Aries is already dead in FF7R, and she might be "alive" through all the sequels, but is still attached to the lifestream. (Reminds me of Tidus in FFX)
This might be similar the scene where Tifa and Cloud fall into the lifestream and recover Cloud's true memories.
@Tsunamods Dude, the White "Holy" materia is in her ribbon. That is where it is in the OG game and that is where it is now. If you look again inside the ribbon, on top of her braid, there is a bulge. that is the materia.
@Faraz Hussain - The fact people are calling this is a sequel is speculation at this point. There are many questions that need answers and we all have to wait for them in the next installment. - why are you watching this video if you haven't finished the game yet? You can only playthrough the game for the first time once and you are spoiling it for yourself...
@@jodkmp I would like to see her Materia :/
Terms like "future timeline" and whatnot kinda make it seem more convoluted than just "Holy system-restored the universe."
Did NOT expect to see you here, claw
Couldn't it also be argued that she's not from the future, but that she gained knowledge of future events by communicating with the planet as it attempts to stop Sephiroth from destroying everything and attaining true godhood? We already know Cloud can see the future without actually being from the future, so the same could be true of Aerith and Sephiroth as well.
DevilHunter1994 exactly this i reckon
i really rather it be this than time travel. Time travel ruins everything and will make it so confusing
Lucrecia had visions of Sephiroth before he was born in Dirge so it's not entirely off the wall.
zhuyaj it’s not time travel dude. If time travel where is the original aerith in this timeline if she traveled back? Oh, only her mind travelled back? Oh ok so it’s not back to the future time travel, but super fine line between original Aerith future self implanting herself and overtaking Remakes Aerith’s mind. OR remakes Aerith’s gained memories and knowledge of original Aerith’s timelines. Which ever you subscribe to sort of doesn’t matter in the sense that we can’t answer timeless philosophical questions like what makes us who we are? Who are we if we do not have our memories? What is consciousness? Etc
I’d prefer to think of it as how DevilHunter1994 has laid it out
Steve Busam i think Aerith being able to channel the planet / life stream knew the moment Sephiroth arrived. Watch the intro cinematic, u can hear sephiroth theme, and Aerith looking frazzled and in fear. This wasn’t in the original
Perhaps Aerith came back after the original game (a function of Holy materia?), and Sephiroth has hijacked her knowledge. It would explain the way he touches Aerith when cloud meets her followed by him saying that Cloud can't save her - he saw it all after coming into contact with her. It can also be why the whispers were harassing her in the first place (because she doesn't belong in this timeline) and why cloud is able to see the whispers and the future throughout the game after touching her on loveless street. The whispers are the planet's immune system response to infiltrations of its timeline.
As a far fetched though; could the entire original game be Aerith's vision of a doomed future?
Could it also be that Sephiroth is also taunting Cloud when he says “you can’t save anyone,” after touching Aeris?
Let’s say it is possible to save her from dying in Part 2. If there are repercussions for Aeris not dying, could it be possible that Cloud will encounter circumstances that will force him to end her himself because she did not die in the first place? Or will someone else be lost in her place? Midgar edition of Life is Strange, yeah?
@@kittykatjagirl Hahaha, I never thought about it like that, but it would feel like LIS if that happens!
I assumed that Sephiroth had come back after the end of Advent Children, same as Aerith being from the future in this theory. He can live through the life stream which in itself is linked to time. He comes back to undo the events that made him lose.
@@kittykatjagirl Bold of you to assume we will see Temple of Ancients in part 2
She doesn't belong in the timeline that Ifalna gave birth to her in and Elmyra adopted her without any whisper interruptions? Nope.
I truly hope it doesn't take years for the next installment. I've waited too long for this one and it barely scratched the surface.
@Dren great so I basically bought the ps4 to play a incomplete game and another incomplete game (Anthem) now I'll have to save up what another $600 to play the next installment of a more than likely incomplete game. Makes me a sad panda. 😓
@@justinfox2814 You could go the PC route, but then you'll probably have to wait a year each time the next game is released. But yeah next game will probably be released sometime next year and on next gen.
@@justinfox2814 You...bought a PS4...to play...Anthem?! Wow. Sorry dude.
@@Ixcez they still haven't announced how long before they release it for everything else i couldn't wait
@@justinfox2814 @Justin Fox also i think part 2 will more than likely come out on both consoles (kind of like nintendo with breath of the wild) considering ps5 plays ps4 games making part 1 playable on the ps5 i doubt they abandon ps4 owners right away with such a big title, i do think beyond that it will only be on ps5 but i imagine a lot of big titles within the first year or so of ps5 being out will be avail on both.
Keep in mind that is all speculation based on what little i know and influenced by my bias and wants, i'm buying ps5 on release either way though.
I think "time travel" is the wrong way of looking at this.
The Lifestream holds all past present and future lives, Could it be aerith, cloud and sephiroth's time spent in the Lifestream in the 1st game is what is causing the visions and future knowledge? I mean they're living in liquid memories for a time.
I always thought of the lifestream as souls, once you've entered the lifestream your soul will lose it's identity and memories. The lifestream would then circle around through plants and animals and people. It's like your soul is something you sustain and cultivate and as part of the "life of the planet" it must return. Jessies Dad with Mako addiction was theorised to be bed ridden because his soul was caught up in the mako. which is why Jessie believes shutting down the reactors will release his soul and he can become himself again. Which is a different kind of mako reaction tahn Cloud, I believe. Clouds Mako addiction was Hojo crammed a bunch of souls into him to make him stronger and his soul lost control of his body. since Cloud finds himself again I don't think he actually lost his soul, he was just a mess from having so many souls/mako inside him.
@@chainclaw07 Fucking excellent point man, almost like Mako is fossil fuel but sucking fossilised souls that the Lifestream needs to nurture the planet. I think Shintoism and Buddhism share similar philosophies about souls and afterlife so it fits perfectly here.
@TheNamelessAnt OMG! That makes total sense now and your explanation of the lifestream basically ignoring time/space continuum is genius. The arbiters were made to make us think it was Cloud, Tifa and Barrett but really it's Sephiroths deceit, fucking brilliant man it's theorycrafting like this that makes FF such an awesome franchise.
Aerith and Sepiroth both know what's going on for sure. I think it's because the connection with the lifestream. But how does this memories get there is the question. I think it's Jenovah when it's crashed/attacked this planet. It's carrying the memories from the lifestream of the original story. What happened on a different planet then we are on now. I believe this story happens over and over on different planets. But it's the same jenovah that is destroying them. And I think the ending with zack is on another planet. And the glimmer in the sky is this planet. Anyway crazy shit is going on for sure haha.
@TheNamelessAnt Damn, now that you mentioned, those arbiters might actually be the remnants of Sephiroth from AC, while people tend to interpret they the future selves of the party. I mean, there's that one with a large gauntlet resembling Loz, rather than the smaller gloves of Tifa. And if the one with sword is Cloud, it should've been a much bigger sword, when it's actually regular sized (relative to the arbiter's size) like the one Kadaj used in AC.
Tifa literally shouted “Marlene!” in the Train Graveyard. Aerith was RIGHT THERE. Yeah you could still argue that she’s already aware of who Marlene is because she’s from the future, but even if that was the case, she still has a solid alibi that Tifa would buy.
Also, I wouldn’t say the “7 seconds till Aerith does” Theory is debunked, the 7 seconds till Meteor hits thing could just be a red herring, something meant to mislead us. Don’t toss your theory aside so quickly when there’s still at least 2 whole years before we know for sure, not while it still has weight.
Yeah, but it didn't explain how Aerith knew Marlene is Barret's daughter..?
"Seven seconds till the end" is most likely referring sephiroth killing Aerith. As in that moment sephiroth is on the screen for exactly 7 seconds before he killed her.
Everything Sephiroth does is in his own self-interest, so ask yourself this: which scenerio could he be referencing in order to manipulate Cloud to ultimately achieve his own victory? If he's talking about Meteor, then it would mean that he does not want Meteor to go off, which makes no sense. We know of no other means he could use to attain godhood, so taunting Cloud to stop Meteor does not avail him: it would set him back. Besides that, I don't believe Sephiroth is the kind of person to taunt Cloud just to goad him: he views Cloud as his greatest pawn, and is always pretty clear about his intentions with him.
The other scenario, of him killing Aeris, seems more believable. His Meteor plan fails because of Holy, which Aeris dies to cast, and when that isn't enough, she employs the Lifestream to bolster it. She is capable of this while she is dead, but not alive. So preventing her death seems like it benefits Sephiroth the most. Just my two cents.
@@adamstevens7579 seems legit as the game does hint towards a change in the timeline
The '7 seconds' phrase is annoying. You can literally make it any length of time. 10 seconds. 1 day. A week. Etc. Doesnt mean shlt.
I always thought Red was angry that he didn't get to bite Hojo's neck this time around.
Aerith also said “this child’s a friend” before calming down Red
They were jailed together and red has been there awhile. Either she knew if him as a child, or during her recent captive has seen them torture red and basically the enemy of my enemy is my friends sort of thing can being explained just sayin
Nanaki is a child with his extended life if stuck to Canon. No spoiler he his a child in his tribe but she hasn't been to cosmo canyon yet
@@DyingToLive1987 There's no evidence they were in cells near one another or that they were friendly to one another. Quite the contrary, he's hostile and on the verge of attacking the group when Aerith calms him with a touch. If he knew her, he wouldn't act like that. Further, in the OG Nanaki is embarrassed by his age. It's certainly not the first thing he'd talk about. He very much wants to be an adult and he wouldn't correct someone who believed him one.
No, her knowing he's still a kid is definitely more evidence for the pile that she knows more than she should.
@@DyingToLive1987 Veladus is right. Plus, Red XIII was on the lower floor, whereas Aerith was in the upper one. There's no way she could have known him.
It's a nod to a line Red XIII said about Aerith from the OG.
Red XIII: "Aerith used to pat me on the nose sometimes. I used to hate being treated like a child like that, but I also liked the attention."
Really awesome!m video!!! I NEEDED PART TWO LIKE YESTERDAY, I have soooo many unanswered questions!
Did anyone realize the 7 seconds reference. Someone pointed out that it was exactly 7 seconds from when Sephiroth fell from the sky to kill Aerith in the original ff7. Now in the remake Sephiroth makes that reference to Cloud, maybe linking back to Cloud maybe having a 7 seconds head start to save Aerith maybe.
Movie matics yes, I made an entire video about it lmao. Except that it got debunked by the in game description
@@Soldier1stClass ok cool
The game desc says its abt meteor but i still think it could also be abt aerith because the forgotten capital theme plays in the background when sephiroth says this to cloud. The theme plus the fact that it takes 7secs for seph to kill aerith are just too much of a coincidence for me.
I think this time Sepiroth isn't gonna kill Aerith because Aerith's death in the OG lead him to defeat. I think Aerith and Sepiroth both know what's ahead of them.
@@gunghocg even if the game description says that, we don't know for sure if Square is really telling the truth to us, or they're just hiding the fact that it's reference to her death
Love it or hate it, you can't deny the absurd amount of discussion and interest on where the remake project is taking us is thanks to the decision of the team to not make this a predictable 1:1 remake of the original game. And you know what, I'm all on board with that decision!
Ditto! Loved the game, love the new direction, love being able to theorise about it til the next one comes out!
Exactly. I love how this can spawn MORE FF7. GIVE ME MORE FF7 I DONT CARE IF ITs Vagabond Johnny's Side quest DLC. GIVE IT TO ME
Trash ending
@@johnnybadass1328 that's your life. Og is trash
@ManyProphets OneMessageur an idiot à purtits wants no changes this game was 90 percent a master pièce but when u add timelines and power scaling problems its trash...u just fought sephroitoh in a portal..and cut buildings open...now nothing matters
Way I see it. Sephiroth refused to die and when he returned to the planet he found a way to go back. And Aerith did the same.
That means that this is goin to have a hardcore ending to seal the end.
Good point. In the Final Fantasy novel Sephirot's essence refuses to die. He travelled the life stream. So his consciousness was still there.
FF7 Has been linked to FFX. Are Aerith and Sephiroth... unsent???
Shaneth21 The story is basically Aerith and Sephiroth warring from beyond the grave over Cloud.
@@johnborris3222 Sephiroth abandoned the good in him to the Lifestream according to the Novella so that there will be no turning back on his plans now using Jenova.
One theory i encountered speculates that the Sephiroth on the edge of creation scene is the good ol' Sephiroth. Because in JP dub it goes like this.
"Wareware no hoshi wa are no ichibu ni narurashī" - Our planet will be part of it once day
"Ore wa kieta kunai" - I don't want to disappear
He used the Japanese masculine pronoun Ore all throught CC when he was still sane. But when he went insane Ore has been replaced by the pronoun Watashi.
I saw a video of the ending with accurate translations of the JP dub such as the part of 7 seconds till the end. Instead of Sephiroth saying "Enough time for you perhaps, what will you do with it. Let's see." he says "We can still make it in time. The future is up to you, Cloud."
And in JP, to me Sephiroth sounds scared of the thought that he will become part of that oneness he mentioned in the edge of creation.
"Ore wa kieta kunai" I don't want to disappear.
I loved the original game and I even cried when Aerith died. So if there’s a way for Aerith to save the planet without sacrificing herself either through time travel or reincarnation, I will not hate SquareEnix for going that route. Those complaining that the remake sucks because it’s not adhering to the original story, they are the whispers we fought and I’m glad we defeated them. Almost all SquareEnix stories have some form of time travel or a story where the party must fight fate. These stories aren’t set in stone. Everything changes. Everything must change or else we just keep going round and round in circles stuck in this black hole that won’t let go. This is a remake. Not a remaster. If you really expected this to be the same story and are disappointed then just play the original or the latest remastered versions. But honestly, these complainers remind me of bible thumpers who constantly say “no no it’s my way or the highway.” You do realize that myths and fables have changed so much throughout the centuries, right? The changing or evolving of stories will never end. These whispers don’t want things to change. Here’s what I say: F**k em!
I think they'll make her death even more impactful. I think Futureroth will manipulate the hell out of both party and us until we THINK we can save her, but in the end, she must die. I'm excited to see how they do it because tbh the whole point of FF7 is loss and life/death and how to deal with those things. So if she doesn't die, it kinda destroys the original purpose. I think the best clue to why I think everything generally will happen the same is Sephiroth's 7 seconds comment. It's not 7 seconds till he kills Aerith but 7 seconds till Meteor strikes, which means to me that he wants everything to happen the same up until 7 seconds Meteor hits. Something within that 7 seconds made him lose and he thinks Cloud is the key to it all.
Aerith has to die. She is the embodiement of the lifestream. She is the only one who can willfully die in order to use the (my theory) Holy Summon materia. Which summons the lifestream.
In the Remake, those scenes with meteor hitting Midgar. Where is the lifestream? Where is Holy.
It isnt there because those premonitions we are getting? Aerith didnt die.
@@DragonQueefs I agree Aerith's death is the emotional core of final fantasy 7, without it the characters don't have any emotional development. It's the shocking scene of her permanent end that makes the game emotional.
Legend Holy failed tho, it didn’t work. Holy didn’t summon the lifestream, it was the planet fighting back. She kinda died for nothing, cause humanity still dies out in 500yrs later cut scene with Red. It’s what she realizes, and what she is trying to change.
@@jet44444 i think she's still trying to change the humanity dying out 500 years later, however, i think her death was so meaningful to the original that a lot of people wouldn't like it being taken away.
I had always interpreted the opening of the original FF7 to mean that Aeris had seen her future while communing with the planet via the leaking Mako in Midgar. When you see her face again at the very end of the game (a flashback to that same moment), it’s almost like everything that happened in the actual game was what she saw in her vision. And she still got up and did what she had to do knowing she would die. There are various references to this in the original like when she goes off in the wood behind Bone Village alone and the second time you go to the City of the Ancients with Bugenhagen. I think FF7R Aerith is the same way. Ultimately, that’s her secret. She saw the future in the mako just like in the original, but this time around she wants to try to change something. Probably not for a good reason though. I think the developers just want some creative freedom lol
Just replayed old game and realized she has a bunch of lines about next time and wanting things to be different. It's almost like anything surrounding nomura is predestined to be a time travel story at some point, he just takes 15 years at a time to find the dialogue.
But if you want to look at the events as real, and not some creation of playful game developers, then it makes more sense to say that Aerith does want to do things the same way to begin with, and that it's by pure chance that cloud comes in conflict with fate in the streets of Loveless district (lol naming) from which small ripples combined with very strong souls with very strong motivations to change fate, results in the rolling snowball that crescendos in an actual full on defeat of fate's own guardians
Problem is that RedXIII scene is after that. So how can be a loop there?
I belive Square was never so lazy to make 'it was jus a dream' cliche story. That's just dumb.
I would like to point out that: by definition, to remake is to "make again or DIFFERENTLY". Therefore your theory may be completely correct as Square Enix remaking FF7 means they are making it "different".
Honestly the confusing part is that theres been a lot of great videos discussing the ending but one overlooked part when piecing together 'evidence' seems to be the importance of the flowers (or, Aerith's touch and the flowers are essentially one and the same).
Think about how Aerith touches Cloud allowing him to see the whispers, or see 'fate' (one could view this as a typical time-travel idea of paradox, of people not being allowed to come into contact with one another, and if they do weird shit happens). She also gives him the flower, which she would know would be passed onto Tifa/Marlene/Barret, allowing them to intervene with fate-altering shenanigans. In this intro we also see a human blindly crushing a flower (pretty big symbolism). Its also an interesting point that you do not have the choice of not taking a flower, something you have agency over in the first game.
The flowers also protect Cloud when he falls through the roof of the church (something i thought they would find hard to justify if they were treated as literal flowers, but i think they have a special property). Add to this the transition scene on white background where cloud is being surrounded by flowers and petals.
Wedge comes directly into contact with Aerith, and actually tries to fight off the whispers (one might assume if he hadnt have touched Aerith, he wouldnt have been able to see them).
Jessie importantly never actually comes into direct contact with the flowers or Aerith (which may be why she is permanently dead - she was never able to 'change her fate'). However she does seem to be fighting off the Whispers outside Seventh Heaven so maybe she did.
Marlene obviously came into direct contact with Aerith, and receives a vision of the future (the past? you know what i mean).
So what about Biggs? Well, think about the importance of the orphanage - not just a sidequest sink, but you specifically have a quest in which you need to gather flowers for the orphanage (distributing that aerith's touch magic). Theres nothing to say that in the original he was taken there and died there, but perhaps he was taken there this time and survived due to the flowers either protecting him in the same way they did for Cloud's fall. Perhaps the flowers confer a kind of mini 'Planets' Protection' limit break immunity (im just kidding but also, the parallels are there)
Aerith literally talks to the flowers, even though she laughs it off. Imagine if perhaps the flowers all act as a network and she/the planet is able to protect anyone or anything that is near flowers or touching them. I believe she even says something to the effect of 'follow the yellow flowers'.
And of course there is all the extra stuff - the symbolism of the petals of the flower wilting and falling off. Marlene being 'communicated with' through the dripping flower she just watered at the end cutscene. I also think its highly likely that Aerith is only able to communicate directly with the planet when she is near flowers, maybe even specifically just the special yellow flowers. A special breed of living things that have their roots literally in the substance of the planet (maybe they're even special Cetra flowers?)
Just sayin'
Well a really good Easter egg when rude was on the helicopter and saw tifa he got out of the way I love that
"My hand slipped" LMAO
That wasn't an easter egg. He actually likes Tifa. He says this in the OG when you first to go Gongaga.
Fun fact, if Tifa is the last one standing in the OG game battle with Rude still around, he has some interesting dialogue.
Yea if u control Tifa during the boss fight he will not aim for her and go to the other 2 instead i think..
RUDE!!!!! 😆
Think they might have dropped a ball on that moment... Is Rude even aware of Tifa at that point? Has he ever seen her before anywhere else?
Unless that's the first time he sees Tifa and he likes her immediately? Enough to save her...?
I suspected this theory as well. She acted hella weird thoughout the game that gave the impression she knew more than she was letting on.
Maybe that’s what Holy actually did. Holy didn’t just save the planet, it allowed Aerith to return or give information to herself via the life stream and begin the process anew. Maybe it’s happened many times, and that’s part of why Aerith feels her materia “doesn’t do anything.” It just repeats the past
Yeah and it also did that to Sephiroth for some reason, but only AC Sephiroth. Also created Andrea, rebulid Shin-Ra HQ, how slums are for some reason....
Wait...it is dumb.
LakrimaProject lmao mans thinks Andrea came from holy. That’s brilliant
She talks about her materia in Remake, but do we actually see it in her hair like we did in the old version of FF7?
I’m pretty sure Holy didn’t end up working. She was interrupted when she got killed. The planet used the lifestream to fight back meteor, it had nothing to do with holy. Holy failed, that’s why she said in the church that it wasn’t good for anything at all.
jet44444 well to be fair in the original she calls it good for nothing as well because she can’t figure out how to use it
I suspect actual time travel won't be used, because that introduces such a complicated plot to try and unravel. However, knowledge of past and future could very well be accomplished through the life stream.
@Sol He didn't write for this game though.
Ragness10 even worse... he’s DIRECTING it. I’m sure Nomura has heavy influence in the writing too.
@@I3aMb00 Well Nojima, who wrote the original and Crisis Core, is writing for the remake. And Nomura isn't the only director for the game.
Did you assess the whispers towards the end? It literally tells you they're from the future and trying to ensure the course of history stays the same so that they can come into existence in the future. e.g. Whisper Croceo: "An entity from a future timeline that has manifested in the present day. It fights with guns to protect the future that gave shape to it." So time travel has been confirmed in the game.
@chaoszieg have you even play the remake? the quality of this game already should destroy all concerns.
The theory doing the rounds when I was a kid with the original is that Aerith's face in the ending is the same as her face at the start, it was all a vision given to her by the Lifestream, essentially the entire game was her premonition. She always knew what was happening. That's why she's so immediately clingy around Cloud, why she follows him after he leaves in the night, why she's willing to go through all that Wall Market chaos for someone she barely knows, etc. Replay the original in the mindset that Aerith and Tifa both know a lot more than they let on, it gives a lot of the dialogue new context. Like how knowing what happens at the end of the Pilgrimage changes a lot of FFX.
As for the remake, I kinda hope they're not gonna lean too heavily on time travel/alternate dimensions/etc. It's too much of a can of worms. Look how badly the Kingdom Hearts timeline has become utterly incomprehensible. None of that please. Keep it simple.
With regards to Marlene, I believe she's mentioned in the end of the Train Graveyard with the little girl ghost, so Aerith would know her name at that point, before she offers to rescue her. Marlene does have the ability to sense Aerith's presence in Advent Children Complete, but so does Tifa (the water droplet scene aboard the Shera) so it might not mean all that much.
Aerith's optional scene in chapter 14 basically confirms that she knows things. She urges Cloud not to fall in love with her, trying to spare him the pain of her death. She knows, confirmed. Not up for debate.
Also the ending isn't the first time that 'seven seconds' has been referenced. There's a song by Within Temptation called Stairway To The Skies that starts with the lyrics 'seven seconds til the rise', so presumably it has a meaning outside of FF7. Worth a look perhaps?
Equally as terrible.. "It was all just a dream" stories are the worst, second only to time travel.. They're a meme for christs sake lol
Evil Pikachu that’s actually a pretty good theory ngl, the original game was just a premonition🤯
That Aerith face in the begginning/end is a phenomenol theory, but where would you put the Advent Children and DoC ? :/ Good theory Tho ^^
Tseng thise are just sequels to the og this happens after those ina sense cause sephi is the one from ac fir example
This feels kinda like it can be legit. In the sewers for instance Tifa will ask whats wrong and Aerith will say something like "I believe we can change the future" and something along the line of "It's that belief that keeps me going" somehow hinting at that she knows the future and only the hope that she can change it is what keeps her trying.
Yep and when they reach sector 7 slums where the Turks are trying to bring down the plate aerith also says "we have to do this" Right after clearing the whispers that were stopping cloud and the party from saving Jessie and biggs
Just rewatch the announcement trialer for FF7. The narration holds a new meaning now I think.
Long ago, we looked upon a foreboding sky. The memory of the star that threatened all, burns eternal in our hearts. In its wake, came an age of silence. Yet with each fond remembrance, we knew, those encountered, where not forgotten. That some day, we would see them again. Perhaps it was no more than wishful thinking.... But after the long calm, there are now the beginnings of a stir. The reunion at hand may bring joy, it may bring fear, but let us embrace for whatever it brings. For they are coming back, at last the promise has been made.
SE said that they didn't wanna add a subtitle to the title of the remake because they didn't want people to think it is a sequel or a spin-off. So I don't know...maybe it wasn't what's on their mind when they made that trailer.
@@gemgem24able the writer or producer or maybe Nomura (idk im not sure) said the the scenario wasn't even written when that trailer came out
Another scene that did it for me was when Aerith says Shinra thinks she could lead them to the promised land, and Barrett replies asking if she could, and Aerith says something like "Even if I wanted to, I couldn't" to me that implies she knows that going to the temple of the ancients is going to result in her death and Sephiroth getting the black materia and yada yada.
Assuming the time travel or Aerith had a vision, I'm torn between Aerith being a reactionary trying to stop Sephiroth, Aerith realizing there has to be a better way than just stopping Sephiroth and letting mankind die eventually, and maybe just maybe Aerith (having a character flaw) decides she no longer wants to be a Martyr. I know this would be a stretch and probably not where it is going, but what if she's trying to find a way where she could still live and to defeat Sephiroth.
One reason I am torn is because I'm not quire sure how Aerith thinks stopping Sephiroth in a different way would lead to a better ending. It seemed to me the damage was done to the planet and the planet would kill off mankind regardless of the Sephiroth story line. And in that sense, maybe Sephiroth really is an arbiter of the planet in a perverse way. But the planet wanted to kill mankind and save itself, whereas meteor would destroy the planet and so the planet wanted to stop Sephiroth. So other than saving herself, what really could change? I'm sure there is something -- I just can't think of it right now.
And Lastly, this could all be a giant set-up where the parties end up trying to re-write history even after defeating the whispers, but the result ends up being the same. Sort of a catch-22 type situation. Destiny will always prevail in some way shape or form even if the method of getting there has changed.
All in all, they have SOOO many ways of going from this and I am excited. This is definitely the best video on the topic and I 100% agree that Aerith knows what's going on here. Just not sure whether its time travel or future premonition or what. Who knows, maybe Jenova ends up being the real mastermind behind all of this somehow and is exerting influence to change the events so she could take over the world again. And by changing this timeline it will create an opening. Similar to a Calasmos DQXI type story.
I would rather it be future premonition to an extent than time travel, solely because I can't deal with another KH convoluted story line. KH made sense (although was challenging to keep up) up until DDD where the time travel ruined it.
Mike Jaoude I’m a big fan of time traveling stories (Chrono Trigger) and of thats whats happening here then so be it but is no one out there also mentioning reincarnation? There are people out there who feel the life they’re living is one that’s been lived already. I doubt time traveling had anything to do with it.
Mike Jaoude this is like a triangle gaia wants to stop sephi and kill humanity
Aerith wants to to stop sephiroth , humanity to survive and potentially to not die
Sephiroth wants to become god by fucking up gaia and killing humanity
Hear me out what if sephiroth joined our side? What if vincent told him that he is not jenova’son that he isn’t a monster but just a humanced enhanced with jennova’s cells
Think about it we already had a fight against the one winged angel the offspring of jenova with his theme on , the wing and casting supernova
We already had a big fight with the one winged angel so why repeat it?
If he stops being crazy kills hojo and becomes the man he once was with resolve to be a hero , a soldier the first clas soldier sephiroth and not the one winged angel , he appears but instead of hearing the theme we already heard in the og or in ac or here we hear the cc version wich isn’t called the same as the others . It is more heroic fits better to a hero to sephiroth the first class soldier wich is called the world’s enemy , (gaia’s enemy) come on don’t tell me it wouldn’t be epic
The whispers are agents of the planet from the future. If you use the assess materia during the final battle, it explains this.
My guess is after Advent Children, Sephiroth returns to the lifestream and discovers these entities, tapping into their power and traveling back in time to change his fate.
The Whispers follow him backwards in time to stop him.
Aerith, is the same Aerith from the OG games timeline. But since she is an ancient, she can commune with the planet, and any *entities* that may come from the planet.
When the Whispers invaded her timeline, she more than likely felt it.
And every time she interacted with them, she learned more about the future.
So technically the only person from the future is Sephiroth, but Aerith is aware of the entire story because of her Cetra abilities
When Cloud sees Tifa riding the chocobo carriage to Wall Market, he runs after her and jumps on the carriage and has a conversation with Tifa. After he jumps down, Aerith catches up with him and immediately seems to know what he talked about with Tifa, even though Aerith wasn't with them when they talked.
I chalked it up to a writing hiccup, but now I'm not so sure about it anymore...
Or that Aerith is a woman and sees the look on Clouds face and is aware of Wall Market. Women are very good and really good at reading body language.
@@andrewcarlton6196 I guess that's possible too. I watched the scene again and actually Cloud himself says to Aerith first that Tifa "can handle the likes of him", like Cloud is assuming that Aerith knows Tifa is going to see Don Corneo.
So... I guess it does look like just a bit of janky writing after all. OR ELSE "she can handle the likes of him" could be a translation error, if the Japanese version is something more vague like "she can take care of herself".
Actually, all of this stuff could in the end just be occasions of mediocre writing and/or translation errors. I think I might be leaning that way once again.
@@hyhhy cloud is more referring to random goon and not necessarily Corneo himself. Aerith sees the worry on his face because he did not want to leave Tifa.
I have felt with women both like Tifa and Aerith and many their action in this game are common amoung women in general.
@@hyhhy Indeed, the Japanese version is a bit different. It just has Cloud sayin "she's much stronger than the average guy." Also, right after that, Aerith doesn't say "Aren't you worried about what might happen in there?" what she actually says is "Cloud, she's someone precious to you right?"
I always took the 500 year jump as like - humanity had moved away from Midgar and we stopped living in that unclean way - interesting.
Same.
Same. After all, in Advent Children there were plenty of people still living in Midgar. Whereas the devs confirmed that Humanity became extinct. I was always disappointed by OG FF7 ending, but I didn't care because I saw what I wanted in Advent Children & Dirge of Cerberus at the time.
@@NPDStudio Advent Children only took place a few years after the fact. Plenty more time for mankind to die off or just .. go into space or something.
@@drudle I suppose... But I dunno, it just felt like everything I (and the FF7 crew) did was meaningless. Also no closure for the main characters except Nanaki?
Maybe it would have been more profound if I played it when it came out but when I beat the game it felt a little empty, and I was grateful that Advent Children was around.
I don't like my characters dying off screen 😂
@@NPDStudio I get that. But you gotta look at it kind of like Infinity War, I suppose. Thanos won, yeah. And everything sucks. Credits roll. Now we gotta go into the next part ready to make things right and avenge things! Give Cloud a big ol thunder hammer!
Tbh, I can’t tell who’s more beautiful: Sephiroth or Aerith.
Marlene being a Cetra descendent has always been a popular theory. I think the evidence for it is too strong for it to not be true.
Yeah, that was my first thought about her.
Aeriths mother was alive like 10 (idk how old Marlene is exactly) years ago, right? I'm pretty sure there was time.
And it's possible Barret knows this, and is the reason he's so massively protective of her. She's vital in saving the planet he fights for
The idea of future, lifestream Aerith attempting to change the future from the original is highly plausible. The way the remake played out reminds me of the Evangelion films in the way they started off mostly following the original story, but then changing it up and introducing new elements showing that it's actually a sequel, of sorts, like a time loop.
I'm on board with this theory and I think there's a good chance Aerith survives this time!
I really hope so.
I has the exact same theory! During the entire game, i felt like Aerith knew way too much. It would not make any sense if she was the one from the original game, she doesn't act like that. The very interesting thing i did not thiught about was the final of the OG showing Aerith, this is so great to think this could have been imagined more than 20 years ago!
exactly! The ending with Aerith's face in OG finally makes sense. This was actually a continuation of the story and original is actually a vision from the Lifestream Aerith saw. That is the reason Aerith is so disturbed at the begining of the Remake, practically running away troubled with what she just saw. On the contrary, in the OG she was just calmly strolling away from the Lifestream.
Your theory is logical, in an extremely convoluted manner.
I wouldn't put any of this past Tetsuya Nomura. Actually this seems right in his wheelhouse.
I just had a sudden realisation after watching this and listening to the lyrics of the theme song "Hollow".
WHAT IF .... What if what we are experiencing is what has happened to Cloud after he fell into the life stream in original FF7?
It would make so much sense, why there are "ghosts" and they force us to follow the destiny, as it already has happened.
Also it would make sense, why Aerith knows that much, since she is already dead! (And so part of the life sream).
When we meet Aerith the first time, she gives us a flower - this time for free - and says something like "this is for rescuing me" and Cloud answer "I did that?" and she goes on "Well, then it's for the memories" (I am playing the german version, so I don't know exactly the english script).
It also would make sense, why Cloud seems to have vision of things, that will happen in the future, since they already happened - and he just remembers!
So Aertih is somehow trying to guide us out of the life stream, without loosing out mind, by making us remember.
The lyrics of "Hollow" may support this theory, as there it goes:
Shine bright once more
Guide me to you
Smile bright once more
This time I will never let you go
But I… I know
That you’re long gone
But I… I will…
Go on howling and hollow
So Cloud is basically asking Aerith for help and guidance and also that he knows that she is already gone (dead) but he will go on.
The other parts of the lyrics would fit as well:
I would be lost
Drifting along
Floating up high
Time after time
Was it all a dream?
Will I never know?
(for example)
What do you think about this?
I really like this idea, because it would fit the former story and there is no need to introduce something like parallel universes oder time traveling.
TL;DR: my theory - we are experiencing the things that are cloud are experiencing when he fell into the life stream, and Aerith and Sephiroth are trying influence him to get out/lost.
Aw naw. AW NAW! Oh man.
It better be something like this. That would be phenomenal.
When I was playing this, there were so many flags going off in my mind. I knew they were planning to do some differences between this one and the original, but once I started getting towards the end I was just amazed. 😂
I’m so excited for the next ones in the line. If there could be a happy ending I would really enjoy it.
I feel the same. I just hope the beloved characters we all love somehow survive towards this new ending.
@@samushunter0048 100% agree. I was happy and amazed at how they managed to be faithful to the original and also set up a totally unknown future
Another big thing at the end.
Recently some one did a literal translation of the Japanese version of the game.
In the English ending when Barret sees Sephiroth, he yells "HEY ASSHOLE"!
Aerith stop's him and says "Don't".
In the Japanese version Barret says "It's the guy from before"! (reference from when Sephiroth stabs him)
Aerith then says "No, it's not". (indicating no this is the real Sephiroth)
Also, in the Japanese version of the battle between Sephiroth and Cloud, Sephiroth says "Do you remember the last time Cloud"? (referring to a previous battle they have never had).
Seems it's another case of outsourced fanfic translation by Square.
Another interesting thing is during that Sepiroth battle is if Tifa enters enters the battle, Sephiroth's attitude completely changes. He goes from being giddy and full of smiles, to a scowl. He stops talking to Cloud and if you switch to Tifa he says things like "Go away". Seems like he knows just how important Tifa is.
If you switch to Aerith he will mention "You will never save him".
Usually I like to play games in their original language with subtitles but since the English version of Remake only had dubtitles, I didn't bother. Also I actually enjoyed the English cast. However I was curious about the changes for the dialogue due to the localization mainly the jokes. I don't speak Japanese but I'm fluent in Chinese so I was able to watch gameplay of the Hong Kong version of Remake which had Chinese subtitles according to the Japanese dialogue and noticed immediately a lot of differences from the English. I'll have to watch more.
@@vangmx I agree. I enjoyed what they did with the English version. I think the voice talent knocked it out of the park. I can imagine another cast doing as well.
The issue I have is when major story information gets replaced with cursing or just removing said dialogue completely.
Square has been known to have a iffy process of localization. The candidates are quite literally asked to write a fanfic from the viewpoint of a character. I think we see quite a bit of this within the English version of the remake. I don't expect it to be perfect. It's really hard to translate from Japanese to English while retaining the full meaning and context. It just sucks that we would have more answers to all of this speculation with proper localization.
@@das1549 Yeah, I totally agree. It's like what my college professor who once said, "Translation is betrayal". No matter what you do with a translation, no matter how hard you try to keep the original tone or meaning, it can't compare to actually knowing the original language, in this case, Japanese. Also, it seems some of the original script was lost during translation as you had shown in your example. Still, as a native English speaker, I highly enjoyed the English version and I think many enjoyed it too, even with some of its flaws and minor faults.
They did battle before, sephiroth is talking about the battle at the factory of nibelheigm. Cloud says at the first encounter. “Your not real.......I killed you with my” so yes they battled before.
@@KnightBX They didn't fight, really. Cloud stabbed Sephiroth in the back when he was staring at Jenova, and then Sephiroth stabbed Cloud in the bridge, and Cloud threw him to the lifestream. There were no fight because Cloud wasn't even near the level of Sephiroth.
If Aerith is actually a "time traveler", it would explain even more her scene in the Chapter 14 resolution with Cloud when he asks her if "this is a dream" and Aerith replies "I don't know, you tell me" implying it could not be a dream, but a manifestation of herself through the lifestream, we also see like an aurora borealis of lifestream in the sky. She also touches Cloud's face, but when Cloud tries to grab her, she turns to mako and vanishes. Maybe the Aerith we use as a character in the game, is always a "physical" representation of her will through the lifestream, from the future, and not a "real" person. I'm also thinking about chapter nine when you leave Aerith's house as Cloud without telling her or even wake her up, but she is waiting for Cloud in the way to sector 7, just where she needs to be at every time.
I think once the series is finished.. all of this is going to make so much sense.
Or no sense... You never know with a. Nemura game. Hah
There is a 50/50 chance of both happening.
Nothing with Nomura makes sense and it's not in his style to leave the audience with a definitive answer
@@Kyur4deIch well that is how you end up with subpar stories. How do you make a good story? Take a great story and rewrite it.
@@andrewcarlton6196 i don't disagree with the subpar part (never did like Nomura's style) but I'm open to reimagining of things. I don't have a hard on for nostalgia. If i want the OG story, then I'll play the OG game. If the new story is good enough, then I'll keep going with it. To be fair, the OG FF7 story was kinda meh anyways so I didn't come into this game with high expectations.
Heard all of the theories by now (moderating the FF7R sub, so I have to read them anyway for spoilerprotecting others).
The 3 Whispers from the future are definetely not the mainparty. If they are from the future, where is the rest of the party, Cid Yuffie etc? Loz Yazoo Kadaj fit way better, in absorbing elements and weapons and logic. That means FF7AC is not gonna be canon anymore to our timeline due to the Harbingers/Whispers demise, so that means even the overall ending is open, which fits with what RedXIII said about the "bad ending" we got.
That leads to Rufus. He saw the Whispers so something is going on with him, and since FF7AC is not canon to our timeline, he can now die instead of survive.
And that leads to Aerith. It definetely creates the possibility of her surviving now if above points are correct (since she's dead in FF7AC). I hope SQEX doesn't do that, it's such a major thing.
I really hope they go with teasing us to save her when in fact it will be impossible. Just the tease of "maybe we CAN save her" with many choices in the game etc they create the illusion, and thats gonna be just as good as in the OG.
One thing I haven't seen anyone talk about yet is the different decisions by characters. Yes the Whispers fix or try to keep things on track, but why are characters deviating from the plan? What changed to motivate Barret from not including Cloud in the second bombing misson or to give Tifa second thoughts about it? Since the Lifestream is basically a recycling of things I just assumed Aerith watched the whole outcome of the first game and now just has all that knowledge while Sephiroth having some control with the Lifestream and Jenova cells basically time traveled in some sense.
Marleen also seems to sense Aerith's presence in Advent Children, while Cloud and Sephiroth fight.
"Is it her?"
Omg...I'm so stoked about this game. I have to know what happens next! I'm going mad just thinking of all the possibilities. I for one, am GLAD it's not a straight up remake of the original. I'm all about the possibility of time travel and alternate universes/dimensions; it's something I think about daily. So to have these ideas in the FF7 compilation, I feel like the story was written just for me! 😍🥰
As a college student that stayed up until 5am in '97 to finish this, I agree...the old FF7 story is completely played out - was told across like 5 games...time for a new story
Don’t get too excited, you may find better theories yourself that make the story better but when the actual game comes out and turns out bad you will be very disappointed, the fact they brought this meta writing to this game is a shame really but hopefully they make something that can outshine the original, highly doubt it
@@OtenP_ When it comes to FF7, I cannot be disappointed. That's a fact.
you know for a fact that the reason why she beat cloud to sector fives entrance was that she was waiting for him to sneak out and pestering him if he messed up. but the instant he left you know she booked it the instance he got around that bend in the hill. probably jumped out her window and everything and started sprinting, in a full dress mind you. she might not look it but the girl can run and she knows the area way better then cloud ever will.
Lmao I was definitely joking
@@Soldier1stClass but think about it. we know for a fact she was in her room, yet she beat him. meaning she ran
Ok so say we all agree that Aerith heard Tifa say Marlene at the train graveyard... still doesn't explain how she knew Marlene's dad is Barret when talking to Marlene.. and if its time travel then I would think its has more to do with Aerith traveling to the past via the lifestream and retaining her memories of events from first game..
At the plate pillar Tifa and Cloud mention Barrett being up there fighting. Aerith could have assumed the only other person the two have mentioned being connected to this important little girl. She first asks Marlene if she means Barrett by saying "daddy." Not disagreeing per se, but there is still reasoning behind her assumption.
It's the same thing as Sephiroth.
She doesn't come from the future, but she knows somehow about the future because her ability to speak with the planet, and whispers are part of the planet.
Since whispers are part of the lifestream she actually knows about them, and because of it, knows something about the future, the difference from Sephiroth is that she has not complete knowledge since she's half ancient and can't master her skills.
That's why she acts like she acts, that's why she's able to transfer knowledge (like to Red XIII) but she doesn't understand everything fully.
She's not totally aware but since she can comunicate with the planet in some way, she also knows about the whispers.
But she's not a calculator, she genuinely doesn't know stuff completely and that's why she's impulsive and insicure at the same time.
Don't forget that Jenova can take different forms and may be playing with Cloud's head as Sephiroth further pushing him into the events that "must occur."
I remember playing this the first time through ans when she said Marlene before Tifa I was confused. I just chalked it up to them maybe having a conversation off screen......but now.....I don't know ha ha.
@Águila701 when I saw that scene I assumed that aerith assumed all soldiers have buster swords.
@Águila701 I feel like she guessed as cloud has Zacs old solider armour and his buster sword. And Aerith is a Cetra so maybe she can sense Zac in cloud. But future Aerith is sounding more legit the more I hear about it. And for Marlene theres that scene at the train yard of marlene crying and tifa say " Marlene" so maybe she just connected the dots maybe
@Águila701 yeah true. see the future not from future. It's honestly pretty interesting to see how this next part unfolds. Legit like is zac alive. Does Aerith know what's going to happen.
@Águila701 iirc, she also says Cloud's name before he ever tells it to her
Tifa mentions Marlene in the train graveyard.
I still think that instead of Sephiroth and Aerith traveling in time, there was a time rewind overall. Aerith retains her memories (same as Sephiroth) and that also could explain why Cloud has visions from the future, because he already lived all of this. Wedge also had a "feeling" of something bad happening. It's probable that all of these characters ARE from the OG, but time went back.
Liltama good theory as well
Another vision Cloud has is the plate falling.
But why not just their consciousness travelling through time just like in Steins;Gate? Aerith and Sephiroth could have used the lifestream itself as a method of traveling. And consciousness is mentioned a lot throughout the Final Fantasy VII universe.
Might be like that since wedge biggs and Jessie are still alive.
would make a lot of sense, the game/story is technicaly happening again, just in another format/generation of hardware.
but that would be meta to the point of ridicoulousness. deadpool levels of meta narrative.
if they pull it off, it could make the ff7 compilation even better, but if they fail, oh boy, they would loose infinit amounts of reputation 😐
Considering that sephiroth is encased in a giant mako crystal and is mentally linked to the lifestream he would be in a plane of existence that allows him to see past present and future, and all variants of such. The original game only touched on his omnipotence but this is on an entirely different level. In I think August 06 issue of EGM with Advent Children on the cover there's a Q&A with some of the ff7 team in regards to a remake, and they did say that if they did do a remake that they would add much more context and fix all the plot holes and unanswered questions, and connect all of the stories from crisis core to dirge of cerberus. It'll all make sense in the end I'm sure of it.
Edit, Weiss and deepgriund will play a huge part In the alternate timeline because omega is the weapon the planet summons as a last resort, right under midgar, which is why midgar is even more destroyed 500 years later in the original but Vincent/Chaos defeats it in DoC Not sure if it'll be the same in the remake but it is food for thought. Chaos is supposed to be another weapon type from the planet but since Vincent gains control of it he technically defies fate.
*Patiently waits for Bugenhagen to explain all this in part 2...
This is like ff7: steins gate... I'm loving it.
Hopefully it has multiple possible endings too (all bad but one)!
Wow, another very smart in depth look. I agree, of course. I noticed all of this, but it feels nice to see someone cover all the specifics like this. To refresh my memory and keep the ball rolling on theories, as it were.
Its always seemed clear to me that both Aerith and Sephiroth somehow know everything that happens in the original FFVII, and may have for the entire remake game somehow. The last video I saw of yours and this one, get my brain thinking more on it.
@Soldier_1stClass That quote that you cited from Kitase at about the 1:38 mark is in no way a confirmation of humans being extinct at the end of FF7.
Read the entire interview and pay attention to the fact that he and Nomura are musing over the various interpretations that people have over the game. He ends the interview with a joke, referencing the fan theory that people were wiped out. However it is in no way a confirmation that this is the true ending. He simply acknowledges the theory, the way he acknowledges many other fan theories in that interview.
I just got this chills, it’s feeling that we’ve might be playing an identical looking recreation of FF7 but this one was already on a different path the second we started playing, the team didn’t change fate, the action may be part of fate itself, the new route.
Just speculation, don’t take it too seriously.
When you really evaluate the changes they've made you realize they've made the story not just more fleshed out, but help mend the convolution of the original itself with these details. Part of fleshing out Aerith and/or Sephiroth is adding more, because they were secretive / cryptic. And with the lore and possibilities about the Lifestream, The Cetra, and perhaps even The Promised Land, that come straight from dialog in the original, fleshing that out, lends itself to this kind of storyline. It also allows them to remake the experience you had when playing the original. Let me ask you this: How angry and confused were you after part 1 of the original? Exactly...
I just beat this game this morning. I love this theory, and totally believe time travel is involved. I wonder if there is something about the life stream that lets Aerith and Sephiroth time travel, or is it something else? It makes so much sense to me thinking of it all this way, and I cant wait to see where this all goes. This game was EPIC!
Very interesting. I remember that scene before Cloud and Aerith begins to move to sector 6.
By the way, I've got some Bad News about the next Episodes of the Remake: I just found out that Keiji Fujiwara passed away in April 12th at age of 55. 😢
He's Reno's Japanese voice from Final Fantasy VII since Last Order and Advent Children. He's also Axel/Lea from Kingdom Hearts, Sigint and Drebin from Metal Gear Solid, Eleanor from Gundam 8th MS Team, Haku from Utawarerumono, Maes Hughes from Full Metal Alchemist and the Japanese Dub of Heath Ledger Joker from Dark Knight Dubbing up to Batman Arkham Knight.
@Lain But it's gonna be a problem with the next remaining Episodes. 😰 Having to find a replacement actor to play the role of Reno.
@Águila701 I know.
I think your right on more then one account...mainly Aerith as not a time traveler, but she can "speak" through the boundless, timeless mako energy of the planet itself and her future selves speaking to her through the energy. I don't think it is in fact time travel per say....but they can definitely transmit a "spirit hologram" just like Sephiroth did in the end. I don't think Sephiroth can be traditionally killed ever because of this. He is one with the dark energies of the planet and ying yang principal states you can't have one without the other which is my theory on the one winged angel. He is the dark and Aerith is in fact the light....and I think we will see this she might even sprout a white ethereal left wing at one point if she does my theory is correct. That means the Sephiroth wee see is actually Sephiroth post advent children! crazy huh. I think Aerith already knows all the events that take place and the whispers are grinding her knowledge away little by little to prevent her from changing her fate. If that's true they might throw a curve ball in there.....if Aerith isn't killed then who? Tifa? Barret? Marlene? or will this be entirely prevented all together this time around twisting the timelines even further. This is infact a remake of the timeline rather then a remake of the game.....that is 100% a toriyama twist.
The planet talks to her, she receives knowledge through the lifestream (just like Sephiroth). That's how she knows shit that others don't or knows things that haven't been mentioned through others.
Very interesting theory. I missed these signs you saw. You had me with Aerith telling Tifa that she had to save Marlene. This holds weight.
the ghost things seem to act a lot like the bodachs in odd thomas. Only difference is that if you look at them, or rather, if they know you can see them, they'll kill you. they are attracted to death, the more there are, the more death that follows. like, i think they smell death or something. they look practically identical to the ones in the movie though, i guess the way they look is quite common as well. i think what reminds me of it though, is that when odd thomas finds them, he goes out on a limb to change the future so that no one dies. big heartbreaker of a movie too. the series is Dean Koontz magnum opus, makes me wonder if the people at squenix took some kind of inspiration from it.
If they go that way that would actually make the remake an interesting game
So going back and playing the fight against sephiroth, it may have been a coincidence in the fight but there’s a part when you switch to Aerith and he teleports behind her ( it’s like a small clip sequence) he says “The remembrance” let me know if anyone else noticed.
Oh wow, i gotta check into that. Excellent observation
I didn't get that part, but I definitely noticed him hard targeting her whenever I switched, far more agressively that he attacked cloud
I think the developers idea of the remake was that they want you to play the original as it was intended without side stories to add to the lore, because there are major parts in the second part of 7 that you could skip (like getting Vincent, even though he has his own game), which Square would probably make mandatory to get in another part of the remake. Or that the scenes with Zack are optional to view (even though crisis core was a thing). Also in the 2nd parts of FF7, Aerith seems to have a good idea of what shes doing, as it pushes the game to its most climatic scene, so its not super far off that she also knows what shes doing in the first part without her being from the future. There's also information about Seph's genes in the remake that is only revealed in advent children. So my guess is that in this Remake (and if it gets a sequel) the developers want to make a super concise story of FF7 that isn't dependent on what you know previously.
I don't mind convolution if it makes sense. I do mind a deus ex machina, because it's very artificially imposed and contrived. I believe Sakaguchi and Kitase would have written a far better story.
....God if only we had Sakaguchi....I'm one if the people who really liked this game(even the ending)but I worry Mr. Nomura might take things wayyy too far. Only time will tell, but they definitely made me even more excited for part 2.
The very definition of "convolution" is that it doesn't' make sense. It's tangled and doesn't work well. I think what you mean is that it's complex and intricate, in which case, I totally agree with you.
Iggy Ig I don’t know Nomura definitely push a lot of things in kingdom heart because he’s extremely passionate to his own series
Well FF7 he has so much high regard to the series that he wouldn’t push things too far in the term as far as the square has done to the series FF7 before in it Compilation
Its 20 years nomura makes the same shit in every game, light and darkness, the fucking heartless tornado, the darkside from kh with the same fucking attack, latin names, shitty story, bad writing. I will say this, the next episode will start with zack and the nibelheim incident, just like kh2 begin with roxas, fucking nomura.
@Lain yeah, because youre are a teenager...thats the target of nomura, stupid crappy-ass shonen always sells.