THEORY: Sephiroth's End Motive NOT Evil? | Final Fantasy 7 Remake
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- Final Fantasy Peasant back with another FF7 Remake theory on the great villain himself... Sephiroth! After my God Cloud theory I thought it deserving that we explore what Sephiroth might be after in his wild unique new appearance in the final fantasy 7 remake. Theres gonna be big spoilers for everything, all the way to the end of the remake, the end of OG Final Fantasy 7, theme songs from the soundtrack, Advent Children, Dirge of Cerberus, Crisis Core and the lot! The end story cutscene post final boss battle will be a particular focus of attention for this theory. So what do you think, could the Final Fantasy 7 Remake explore a whole different motive of Sephiroth we might not see coming?
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Cloud at the end of Remake: *Leaps hundreds of feet from falling debris to falling debris to attack Sephiroth and the Harbinger*
Cloud in the ShinRa building: "Pls Red XIII help me cross this tiny gap, can you flip that lever bruh"
he just wanted to see his new dog do a cool trick
@@Maskami Oh no that ladder is so high lemme just operate this random robot arm instead.
That's in the singularity though
video games in a nutshell
...I really want a massive fight scene between a good and evil Sephiroth now.
YASSSSS and "good" Seph my group has been saying NEEDS to become an antihero. Free from Jenova to be his own person, but now is someone to take things into his own hands, thus continuing his rivalry with Cloud, but is now not an inherently evil person. Kinda like Sonic and Shadow.
@@TeamGXOne Sephiroth controls Jenova. Don't be stupid
@@Killer_Kris7 First off, Sephiroth controlling Jenova, who wiped out the Ancients and is a millennia old cosmic entity, is what's stupid. EVEN if that's the case, then the writers would be the dumbbells because that LOGICALLY doesn't make any sense, on many levels.
Secondly, I subscribe to the Japanese interpretation, no the English one. And I'm friends with Japanese players that state there's a definitive difference in translation and with JPN players, its interpreted as Jenova being in control. Yes, Sephiroth DOES control Jenova in terms of its cells and its powers, but the mastermind is Jenova.
Don't believe me? It's in the Reunion Files that all Sephiroth and the Remnants do is to serve JENOVA'S will "not Sephiroth". Also, everything about Advent Children was about Jenova's will, that Sephiroth was Jenova's favorite, and how that hurt Kadaj though he continued to serve what JENOVA wanted.
Anyway... I hope that Sephiroth will break free of Jenova's grip, be part of Jenova's final downfall, and move on to reshape his identity, as an antihero.
Yeah what if sephiroth is good guy and it's trapped inside he's evil self
Sephiroth deserves redeemption. He is the bro you can count on.
Agreed! If there's time manipulation going on or clones galore, surely there's one version of Sephiroth that hasn't been wrecked by decades of experimentation and overall terrible childhood and adulthood. One version that can still be guided towards being good.
There is still hope given that he's not PE just yet.
He's just a victim of Genesis
Sometimes it’s hard to tell who Cloud should really be with, Areith, Tifa, or Sephiroth
@@whoopswrongbutton3987 Tifa of course, Aerith is meant for Zack and Sephiroth..... Sephiroth already has Genesis as an abuser senpai) 0
Watching him being sane and calm in the Crisis Core made me feel excited if we would get to see glimpse of his old traits in the remake.
I really hope the devs go far as to include some reanimated or more significant CC scenes as it was so important! We can only hope in the years to come.
There was a glimpse of it when Aerith told him “Everything about you is wrong”. He drops his head and closes I’m his eyes in a way that say “don’t need to remind me”.
We actually did. You can see that Sephiroth at the end and in couple of scenes. You can tell it for his face and eyes: calm, clear and relaxed, with no grin or evilness in them. Plus also how he acts: that one encourages Cloud, not tries to gives despair. Also, the feathers stay when he vanishes. That one remind me a lot of the true Sephiroth, the crisis core Sephiroth
I wish they brought back the George Newbern to voice Sephiroth in Remake.
@@DaStrikey they will definitely do this. They already showed Zack's death at the end and there were references to secret underground Shinra labs (Deepground) etc.
Honestly vincent looks more like sephiroth than hojo does.
I wonder what that could be implying.
True
Do you think
I think this is definite.
Well Vincent did bang his mom.
Nomura: *hits blunt* "So, like.. what if, instead of Sephiroth manipulating Jenova, it was Jenova manipulating Sephiroth the whole time."
Kitase: "...Bro."
This some Naruto level ”element of surprise” on discovering who’s the ultimate enemy.
Orochimaru: it was all apart of my plan...Sasuke was just a pawn
Danzo: No, it was all apart of my plan...both Orochimaru and Sasuke were just my pawns.
Itachi: No, it was all apart of my plan... I was just using both Orochimaru, Sasuke and Danzo.
Pain: No, it was all apart of my plan... I was using Orochimaru, Sasuke, Danzo, and Itachi as my pawns
Obito: No, it was all apart of my plan...i was using Orochimaru, Sasuke , Danzo, Itachi, and Pain as my pawns.
Madara: No, it was all apart of my plan... I was using Orochimaru, Sasuke, Danzo, Itachi, Pain, and Obito as my pawns.
Kaguya: hold my beer🍺
@@baebypandabear7802 ALIENS
wans't that always what was happening? like not even a mystery.
@@NGEvangeliman I always read it as Sephiroth's time in the lifestream (being kept alive or "suspended" by Jenova's portion of his DNA) allowed him to glimpse and/or master the knowledge and powers of the cetra/planet to willfully overpower/assimilate Jenova's will (and therefore control of her physical body as well as Cloud's, at times) from halfway around the world. It always seemed to me like whatever remained intact of Jenova's consciousness just kinda "rolled with it", because his goals aligned with her own aspirations. 🤷♂️ Then again, my first half-dozen playthroughs were in the mind and eyes of a 10 year-old, so my predisposition might be a little tinted. lol
It is Jenova if you look at Crisis Core it makes far more sense. Sephi use to be a descent human that would lay down his life for a friend. It was in Nibelheim that he lost his mind. Only because Jenova was heavily fcking with his mind and was easily seduced. The closer those get who have Jenova cells the harder it is for them to resist Jenovas influence. This goes right along with the Reunion Therory. Jenova cells demand that they return to it. Cloud has a strong will. Sephiroth lost everyone he cared about and believed he was all alone I believe he lost his will. Jenova is a cancer to the Planet even her cells posion the lifestream.
I just noticed something in the fight with cloud and sephiroth at the edge of creation. it looks as if Sephiroth has fought cloud in the same way many times before and he's bored of the fight. He moves around almost lazily and effortlessly as he predicts all of his attacks. What if he's in a perpetual cycle and he's trying to get out. He keeps trying different things to see if he can diverge the timeline enough.
I noticed it too! He barely moves an inch to avoid cloud, I'm thinking this has played out hundreds of times and I think we will be able to chose to grab his hand
(within 7 seconds 😉)
and this ultimate act of forgiveness will be the death of jenova... 😅 Just a crazy theory though 😂
Notice that Cloud wasn't just swiping at him, that was his Omnislash, and he deflected it effortlessly.
My theory is that Unknown Sephiroth is essentially a time traveler many centuries older than the Sephiroth from the original timeline.
We know from the original timeline that the result hundreds of years in the future is a world with Midgar in ruins and no apparent sign of human life. It is possible that Sephiroth requires humanity to live to some extent and therefore needs to go back in time to enlist assistance from the strongest people he knows, in order to prevent whatever it is that destroys humanity.
If so, Unknown Sephiroth would have the experience of centuries, and even recall the fight in Final Fantasy: Advent Children. He'd be very good at predicting Cloud's moves. But his ultimate goal would be to get Cloud's cooperation and, just as important, make him stronger.
@marcus24000 theres some short writings that take place between FF7 OG and advent children. It confirms Sephiroth needs Cloud to be alive to keep him alive. As long as Cloud exists and remembers Sephiroth he will always exist.
@marcus24000 No lol.
Sephiroth has always taunted Cloud. In fact, it's one his biggest weaknesses, his arrogance, even before he went insane. Like in AC when he purposely stabs Cloud in the shoulder rather than through the heart.
Sephiroth doesn't want Cloud gone because he can control Cloud as JENOVA's cells exist inside of him. That's it. Such as when he makes Cloud give him the Black Materia in the original.
He is not a good guy, and this theory is pretty dumb.
My interpretation was that Hojo wanted to see offspring of Sephiroth and Aerith, which would mean offspring of Jenova and Cetra. In meeting he mentions wanting Aerith to reproduce with S or G soldier.
Ahhh I totally did not think that. And I wracked my head on it for ages lmao. So when Hojo was talking about arranging a face to face... part of that was to see if Seph would fancy a quick go with a fine piece of Cetra booty? Gad dang Hojo, first Red and now this... would dread to see that guys internet history 😄
He could have meant offspring of Jenova. I mean technically any being with Jenova cells is an offspring right? So Cloud, Marco, Number I forgot robe dude, Sephiroth,
@@FinalFantasyPeasant Well, if the TFS Abridged series is anything to go off of, he probably has a thing for people breeding, no matter what the consequences are.
This is how I understood this one as well. He was talking about breeding Aerith, so who better to breed her with?
Damn I wish I read the comments before commenting 😂
Hell House is the real villain. Its a being of pure evil.
Anything that diarrheas out tonberries deserves to die in my book.
Anything that makes bahamut, freaking bahamut do 600 damage with its finisher deserves to be in hell.
@Russian Bot That’s where it came from
Haha I beat him first try on Normal mode, quite proud of myself really
@Zaw Torley Same with the Malboro. It’s a lot easier though. You just have to keep your distance from it and switch characters regularly to attack it from behind while using magic carefully to keep everyone alive by the frequent use of healing and regen spells. Ranged units are very useful there! Aerith’s Lutrous Shield also helps a lot to get there as it blocks the Tonberries’ paralysing ranged attack.
The Malboro was so much more of a threat in Crisis Core... If you didn’t have a ribbon equipped facing it meant death. I guess they had to make it easier since we had no ribbon(s) this time... I’d have liked if it was faster and all around harder though as it felt like a walk in the park to me, I wonder why. Maybe because I've seen worse and knew what precautions to take...? :)
Sephiroth never really came off as the bad guy. I mean, if you ignore the eyes, he almost seems like a protagonist.
Ikr
Sephiroth was always secretly the main character, I mean Cloud and Zack want to be Sephiroth, they all chase him throughout the game as if he's Carmen Sandiago. I mean Cloud even gets a rip off imitation sword called murasame.
Murasame. That is not the original sword of Angel. It's a copy....
I'm no expert since I haven't played all games to do with FF7, but the one scene that stuck with me is where Sephiroth offers his hand to Cloud in the end and Cloud refuses. Sephiroth seems genuinely disappointed. Not like the cliché "let's rule together" kind of thing, but more of a "actually join me and help me achieve this goal as a partner" kind of thing, whatever the goal is. I was really surprised by that honest reaction from Sephiroth.
I like to imagine a wholesome parallel universe where sephiroth, instead of going on a violent rampage, the man gets psychological help, and sees a therapist every day. Full body armor, sword and all.
Theory: Sephiroth is the planet's last line of defence. The ultimate weapon.
Omega is the ultimate weapon from DoC. I don't think that's going to change at all.
This is why Vincent needs to play a bigger role in the remake to connect us to DoC in bigger ways
Omega weapon is the only dormant weapon that didn't come out from the northern crater, however sephiroth's body was in the crater for sometime along with the weapons and lifestream. The planet may have sent defences in order of weapons, lifestream then sephiroth.
Yes, YES, YESSS! Finally others who think the same
@@zekiel2533 Omega's job was to absorb the Lifestream then fly off to find a new planet to create, Omega was the planets final line of defense
The planet might of released the lifestream is tainted with jenova cells so couldn't go with with the omega plan. Another possibility is Sephiroth can't return to the lifestream and ride cosmos like he wants to. I also think Aerith might be the lifestream personified hence Kadaj and others referring to her as mother.
*sephiroth fans, from the back of the Sephiroth is Good Actually bandwagon:* what took y'all so long
IKR I always think him as a good guy, I don't care wut he has done, I believe he has his own reasons, and it's understandable for everyone.
Interesting theory, I too have been delving deeper to madness. What if Zack is the key of bringing Septhiroth back to normal. He has the memory of good Septhiroth, and when Septhiroth tries to possess Zack, he regain he's past memories and tries to break free from Jenova's control.
Jenova's control?? Sephiroth was the puppet master here. He was using Jenova
@marcus24000 my thoughts exactly. What if Jenova is just an organism, like a virus, similar to "The Thing" movie. The woman we see in Jenova is just another cetra that has been infected. Ifalna also stated that it has no gender. Moving along this theory, it seems possible that Septh wasn't the real puppet master.
Don't forget Genesis is still alive too. They could have reconciled and if Minerva was able to cleanse him of his degradation, then maybe she's also able to set Sephiroth's mind straight.
@@patrickmcgregor5168 Either Jenova or Septhiroth or hybrid theory could work, hope the devs explore this in remake.
@@s7aceman127 Except it's already been confirmed Sephiroth is in total control over things. He's using Jenova all throughout FF7 and AC, and changing that in Remake would remove any sort of character-building done to Sephiroth over the past 23 years, which they clearly aren't doing. Why would they stay faithful to all but one of the major characters?
Today on Mauree, we have Sephiroth and his father Hojo. But Seph wants a DNA test
She tryin’ to seduce my sephiroth wit dat chicken tetrazzini.
idk sephiroth looks a lot more like Vincent....
"Hojo...you are NOT THE FATHER!!"
@@hxney_breesephiroth immediately cuts him in halg
Before watching this video: I'm so glad other people are thinking this too. I've long said that I will not accept any ending to FFVII that doesn't involve Sephiroth being saved. Not killed, not defeated again - but pulled out of Jenova's clutches and back to the good man he was in Crisis Core.
I'm the ones who believes Sephiroth can be saved and reedeemed.
@@randomanimefan0154 YAY, a fellow believer! We must stay strong!
I’m right with ya, buddy! :3 Maybe even Zack will be that miracle in freeing Sephiroth from that control. After all, he’s very aware of how his former friend acted in Crisis Core prior to Nibelheim more than anyone in the plot so far. I can totally see Cloud, Zack and Seph fighting side by side to stop Jenova or even an unknown threat once and for all
A friend of mine came up with a very clever theory that involves Kadaj representing Sephiroth's redemption, and the "Unknown/Cosmic" Sephiroth is in fact product of Kadaj being freed of Jenova and returning to the lifestream, to learn the truth and now has the power to go back and bring Jenova down for once and for all. After all, I strongly believe the only entity that truly can bring Jenova down, IS Sephiroth.
The only way to properly write his redemption arc is that he dies for good trying to save Cloud from Jenova, as they team up in one finale battle against her in her most powerful and complete form. There would be nowhere for Sephiroths character to go if he survives, just like Darth Vader. Vader, as sad as it was, had to die to make up for his mistakes to bring a proper ending to his character.
I’ve been saying that Sephiroth is a good guy this time around. Well, 1 of them is. People forget that for most of his life Sephiroth was basically FF7’s Captain America. He defended the weak, cares for his fellow SOLDIERS and just wanted to have a place to belong. If he had been nurtured by the same kind of love and support Cloud had, things might have turned out very differently.
Future Sephiroth may have realized that (in very typical JRPG fashion) the power of friendship is the reason why Sephiroth kept losing to Cloud.
Also, imagine this, Sephiroth gets turned into a good guy, his tragedy gets fleshed out, we discover how lonely and isolated he was. How his life was nothing but manipulation and deception, while he sacrificed for others around him. Then we get a redemption arc and he becomes friendly with the party, then HE dies. Completely flipping our feelings for Sephiroth around. That would be fucking epic.
Not gonna lie. I would love it if something like this were to happen. When I saw that scene with Sephiroth extending his hand to Cloud, I was initially confused because i thought he was really trying to be a good guy.
That will be a good twist, giving the audience to understand Sephiroth better and giving him a very interesting character development.
MakoWeapon YEAH! That scene was very telling, he was being gentle, and for once he seemed to be trying to keep Cloud FROM feeling pain, not trying to inflict it. Moreover, if he just wanted to ensure victory, why not just kill Cloud there. He wins decisively and the whispers were gone, so why not just end it there? Nothing to stop him.
There’s also the line he says to Aerith about “Those who see with clouded eyes see nothing but shadows” this is basically hitting the audience over the head with “THINGS ARE NOT AS THEY SEEM”. Aerith and this Future Sephiroth are not equal on this playing field. He clearly knows something she doesn’t and he’s pointing it out. She’s making him out to be a shadow of the boogieman that he used to be.
@@OmegaLogos That's what I've been wondering. Why doesn't he just end everyone now? He's definitely capable of it. And I doubt he'd go through all of this just to make stupid mistakes that would cause his demise again.
Honestly I'm kind of hoping that Jenova plays a bigger role this time around. We hear all this talk of what she was but we've never been able to witness it. I know this is out of nowhere and I have nothing to back it besides it being something I'd want. But what if she's the bigger threat this time?
But I definitely can't wait to see what's next though. I'm sure they're adding these new elements with the intentions of blowing us away with the unexpected.
Sephiroth has 0 excuses for what he's done
I like this idea of Serphiroth fighting to removing jenova from himself and to restore himself. It’s very interesting 🧐
Maybe he’s trying to figure out where Jenova came from. They called her a harbinger, what’s she a sign of?
I can definitely see Lucrecia being the "Beacon of Hope" for Sephiroth later down the line. Also, I actually wouldn't mind the retcon of Vincent being Sephiroth's true father, it would definitely give Vinnie a bigger role in terms of character development in my opinion.
(Plus Hojo being Sephiroth's Dad was always weird to me lol)
Your in luck then because Hojo was never his dad in canon :) Fans just assumed that and ran with it. Take one look at Hojo/Seph/Vincent faces lined up together, side by side and tell me which one looks more like Seph (Spoilers: Seph has Vincent's copy and pasted face)
Also there are is ton of obvious signs in DOC that point to Seph being the product of Vincent and Lucrecia.
I mean we never saw young Hojo, and Sephiroth definitely got his good looks from Lucrecia
agree
I have no doubt about that. they're like 2 drops of waters. Of course Vincent is Sephs father
@@kaileenaalexandros7269 the ending could be the greatest in video game history since Mario Brothers 2 when everything was confirmed just a dream
wAIT. SUDDEN REALIZATION.
Going on the Sephiroth splitting himself into different versions/pieces idea. The Remnants in AC are literally physical manifestations of Sephiroth’s will as created by him from his place in the Lifestream. Each of them are supposed represent different parts of him- Yazoo has his outward personality (arguably his OG Crisis Core personality, his aloof disposition yet almost miss-able competitiveness), Loz has his physical strength, and Kadaj has his hatred and disdain for humanity and it’s failures.
Kadaj was the only Remnant that achieved Reunion (notice he says “MY Reunion” when absorbing Jenova’s neck, implying that other Reunions are possible and the drive for Reunion isn’t the drive for some singular, wide-reaching event). When Cloud fought and defeated this version of Sephiroth, I think it did something permanent to the vessel it inhabited at the time, Kadaj, and also to the piece of Sephiroth’s will that gave Kadaj form.
Pause. Bring it around to Aerith’s Great Gospel, which was triggered when Kadaj attacked the church. The water from the spring completely CURES Geostigma, which is said to be a disease caused by the infection of Jenova’s genetic material. Great Gospel dissolves it like it was never there. It also has an interesting affect on the Remnants. Kadaj cringes from it and runs away as if it stings. When it rains on Loz and Yazoo after Kadaj’s death, a black haze begins to form around them as if in response to it, despite the green “heal”ing of it uselessly flickering around their bodies. This effect is NOT present in a dying Kadaj despite also being fully under the rain.
Great Gospel wreaks havoc on Jenova’s genetic material, Geostigma and the Remnants by extension. This paired with the fact that Kadaj was weakened and vulnerable enough from his Reunion and Cloud’s fight meant that Great Gospel could work on him in a way that it couldn’t work on Loz and Yazoo- and he died in a way I’ve NEVER seen anything related to Sephiroth or Jenova die; he dissolves into PURE lifestream at Aerith’s invitation.
Loz and Yazoo didn’t die this way, so the bits of Sephiroth’s will that they carried- his personality and his strength- those things returned to him. The corruption that Jenova influences makes it impossible for for Sephiroth to be absorbed into the Lifestream, but Aerith and Cloud working together were able to PURIFY a piece of Sephiroth and Kadaj dissolved NATURALLY.
If Remake Sephiroth is also a Post-Advent Children Sephiroth, what would that destruction of his Hatred for Humanity mean for him and how he carries himself??
Even if what you say is true not much changes. Only this time Sephiroth wants to become god of the world instead of destroying it because of his hatred towards humanity.
@@kyzersoze8408 Sephiroth did not hate humanity before he went crazy. Therefore, if the possession and the evil is gone, he doesn't hate humanity anymore. Seph was not always a bad guy. That's the point.
Dead Man
That’s true! But originally, while hating humanity, he didn’t bother giving them a chance to redeem themselves because he thought they were a lost cause. Sephiroth assumed the position of Judge, Jury, and Executioner and never bothered giving Humanity a trial. Cloud was only a tool/puppet for him to achieve his means, he didn’t have any intrinsic value to Sephiroth other than that Sephiroth was a little amused that Cloud could actually take him on and hold his own. Cloud was human too, and therefore he didn’t deserve anything but for his worth to be dismissed as object of derision (puppet). His favorite puppet, but a toy, none the less.
In the remake, I’m getting the feeling that he’s allowing Cloud to debate humanity’s worthiness. Which is actually a huge difference from his original mindset. He originally damned humanity and that was that; end of story. No arguments even considered because they mean nothing. But now he’s actually giving Cloud the chance to prove something about them. Without that Hatred, he still thinks humanity is poison, but he’s willing to see if Cloud can prove him wrong. Cloud, who, REPEATEDLY had defeated him and been the ONLY person who can actually hold his own against Sephiroth. Sephiroth, who fully believes that he is a God. What would that make Cloud, then, if he can repeatedly kill a God?
EQUAL to him, at the least. This man, previously no more than a puppet or a tool to be used, disgustingly HUMAN, previously BENEATH him along with the rest of humanity, Sephiroth now considers as his EQUAL. His RIVAL. To be examined. To be taken seriously. To be approached in a more deliberate way than that of a child with a magnifying glass pointed at an anthill.
That’s why he wants Cloud to experience grief and pain and despair and become stronger from it; will Cloud retain that righteousness? Or will he become twisted in hate, fear, and greed as well, proving Sephiroth’s opinion of humanity’s true nature? If the first, then the planet and Sephiroth will become whatever Cloud wishes for them. If the second, if Cloud fails, then he will either join Sephiroth or he will die along with the rest of the planet as they all deserve.
Cloud’s EXISTENCE is the trial in which humanity will be judged. The destruction of Sephiroth’s Hatred is how he now ALLOWS this trial to be held. The question now is what will Sephiroth do if Cloud wins this time around. This loss, for Sephiroth, will have a much more significant meaning than previous losses. If he loses everytime, what’s the point of repeating the cycle aside from it being for his own amusement? Will he establish another means of returning from the dead that DON’T depend on Cloud’s existence? Will he lay dormant until Cloud no longer exists to act on the planet, if he even can exist without Cloud? Will he give up on the planet as a whole and hitch a ride on a Meteor to travel to a different planet and become a new Jenova?
Sephiroth exists outside the cycle of the lifestream and the planet because in the Lifestream Black and Lifestream White chapters of nojimas book you find out sephiroth made cloud the core of his being and that as long as he has cloud and people remember him he can manifest without a body(which explains why at first nobody can see him but as cloud reminds people of him or talks about him, he becomes more real so to speak and eventually they all can see him because they remember him. This also explains why palmer could see him because he's the only one other than hojo who remembered him clearly.) Cloud is essentially a horcrux for sephiroth which explains why he never died and why the new mysterious sephiroth starts appearing wherever cloud goes. Because cloud is projecting him. After OG FF7 Sephiroth threw away all his memories of himself and his appearance in order to not return to the planet and exist in the lifestream. He then realizes that he can make cloud his vessel so to speak in order to learn about himself and his appearance again. He then searches the lifestream for a suitable form (that being kadaj) and then made two companions to help his avatar achieve his goal of getting jenovas head. At the finale of AC cloud beats sephiroth but his plan to make him his core was already complete so he disappears and goes back through the lifestream to try to obtain information on himself that he lost in the lifestream and to alter the outcome of FF7 having obtained all the information about his defeat through the lifestream. Aerith who also chose not to return to the planet senses him doing this so she decides to do the same and wonders if she could make remnants of herself as well but decides not to make any so that it doesn't affect clouds memory of her. Cloud has to die for sephiroth to be defeated. He has the last bit of jenovas cells inside him, as long as they exist the Reunion will persist. The final sephiroth you encounter at the edge of creation is his core which is why it is the sane sephiroth who uses "ore" and not "watashi". So the wormhole and edge of creation are actually in clouds mind which makes so much more sense. So when cloud tells everyone a detailed story about sephiroth in kalm town in part two it will be a huge moment for sephiroth as people will remember him much more vividly and he will have knowledge of his appearance which in turn allows him to start creating/repairing his body in the crystal in North Crater.
So basically sephirot is in cloud and every time clouds thinks or talks about him he reapers
Can you imagine how insane it would be if Sephiroth went back to his old Crisis Core ways and became a hero once again?
I want this so bad to happen. He wasn't always evil
@@the1bigbadwolf I've always said Sephiroth needs the kind of redemption arc that redeems him of Jenova's control, but in the form of an Antihero, a bit of a villainous one, akin to Shadow the Hedgehog. Someone who's now trying to shape their own destiny, take things too much into their own hands and willing to cut anyone down who gets in his way. That's a good transition of Sephiroth breaking away from Jenova, to returning to who he was prior, and it allows him to still maintain a rivalry with Cloud, but without being "evil".
@@TeamGXOne problematic though considering he kills aerith lol or maybe will kill her I should say
@@the1bigbadwolf well... she's not dead now, and I don't think killing her this time around will benefit either version of Sephiroth (the evil one, or [potentially] good one). I strongly believe Aerith is not going to be killed by Seph, and if she does die, it's by something else, if not her own self sacrifice.
The only thing problematic is the Niebelheim incident. But if (EOC/good) Seph is smart, he can blame that on Jenova. It won't be easy but he does have that bit of an out.
But like I said, Seph wouldn't join Cloud and the gang if he does get a redemptive arc (or at least its highly unlikely). I think Seph would become an antihero who's still at odds with Cloud, but no longer is evil/under the influence of evil.
This theory is a bit "controversial" for some fans, but one of my friends said she feels a great twist (one some of us prolly see coming) is Seph to find out he's Cetra, and Jenova has been in the way of that side of him all along. This could be the trigger for him to finally overcome Jenova for once and for all, but now... his new "villainy" if you will, is him believing the Planet is his heritance, and starts taking a number of matters into his own hands, thus the new rivalry between himself and Cloud, and him becoming a new type of threat (possibly more powerful than before). However, with his intent not being (inherently) evil (similarly to Shadow), there will be times we get Seph's newfound path as heroic... even if it still clashes with the protagonists.
He already makes a statement kind of like this IN FF7R, and we really don't believe it's just said "nilly willy". It definitely seems there's going to be a lot more to that in upcoming games.
@@TeamGXOne maybe he intends to kill jenova himself this time to free himself from control and maybe this will change the timeline in his favor
Thoughts watching this video:
1. Jenova totally sounds like the FFXV Starscourge parasite. Not the same entity, but the same type/species of galactic, planet preying parasite. If this parasite exists in the galactic ecology, then each planet/star system may have it's own way of fighting it - or failing to fight it.
2. Multiple Sephs blew my mind. This makes things so much clearer.
3. Please, please let Vincent be Sephiroth's father.
4. "On the way to a smile" says Cloud's memories form the core of AC Sephiroth. But now Zack is alive again, and Zack holds memories of Pre-Jenova Sephiroth from CC. What if Zack surviving is actually the whole focus of unknown Sephiroth forcing a redo of this part of the timestream - if anyone can influence Cloud to look more favourably on Seph, it will be Zack
4a. If CC Cloud shows up alongside Remake Cloud in future episode, I'd like CC Cloud to dual/multi wield swords from the get go. Making Cloud's single large sword thing be mainly Zack's influence.
5. Bring on the Sephiroth Redemption Arc!!
6 or 1a. The whole Jenova=Starscourge parasite thing is giving me ideas for FFXV. Specifically how the Cetra could have used Jenova as a physical Starscourge vessel that could be trapped and locked away safely>> Ardyn? Except Bahamut does one better and makes the Crystal as a way to destroy the consolidated Starscourge together with it's vessel afterwards.
Thinking in terms of the theory that all Final Fantasy properties take place on different planets of the same universe, the Starscourge, Jenova, the thing Omega Weapon would become, and the meteor that spreads the phantoms in the Spirits Within are all basically different aspects of one big galactic ecosystem.
Greetings Y Lee (love your name heh) I like your theories, would like to ask did you play original VII? You sound like it, but your reaction to multiple Sephs (I always saw them as manifestations of his will through the Lifestream/and via the robed men[Hojo JENOVA experiments])made me fuzzled, unless you mean that there might be timeline-overlapping Sephiroths, that thought does mess up my mind too. I like your thoughts, would like to know what you think about Zack being alive again what it COULD change, I'm sick right now so my thoughts aren't making sense.
One thing I'd love your thoughts on (and would like to ask Peasant about later too)... the Seph we fight after defeating the giant Whisper, that Seph to me is the "failed timeline" as it were from original FF.
1: Sephiroth's goal was to summon Meteor, create a wound strong enough to make the planet use ALL of the Lifestream (now tainted with a form of the stigma/reunion of Jenova), be at the center and absorb ALL of it, thus becoming a god.
2: we see him do exactly this before the final fight!
3: Later on in the fight he uses, dissolves into Whispers...
4: The Sephiroth CLOUD fights (not the team or us) at the edge of creation has NO whispers, uses no powers, just toys the boy.
Was what we fought after Harbinger the Whispers showing us one last time "you guys are somehow going about this wrong, and this is what you'll end up with?" Or is Seph controlling them? GAAAAH Nomura-sama's insane, and if I get Kingdom-Hearted again and die before sixty waiting on "FFVII REMAKE: CHAPTER THREE v5.0 COMPLETE" I'm going to haunt him.
Take care Doctor Y Lee sir, best wishes
I'd like to include the possibility of adding to the list Lavos from Chrono Trigger/Cross as being in the same eldritch abomination parasitic world influencing/eating species as Jenova and such. Too bad it seems like Sephi is the only one taking advantage of the Time Gates, since the party doesn't have a Gate Key! (Except maybe Aerith, since she let them into the singularity?)
9:58 sephiroth is actually carrying away the body of jenova. this was confirmed in the ultimania. they needed to clothe the body of jenova in black garb for rating reasons
19:17 aerith is using healing wind on the slash left by sephiroths katana. in the original ffvii sephiroth demonstrates his ability to directly hurt the planet in the temple of the ancients in a simular way.
Ohhh that's what he's carrying. Is that why Hojo was seen lauging maniacally at the end?
@@RyanStark-sy6xm Yeah Hojo is basically getting off on the 'Reunion' theory coming true.
I was about to come comment this. The body he's carrying clearly has no head and also has breasts.
Aww I wanted to see Jenova tiddies XD
On the “offspring line” when i watched it my impression of it was that Hojo was considering a face to face meeting between Aerith and Sephiroth and that he would like to meet their offspring. Not sure how Vincent or Lucrecia fit into that.... 🤔
That's exactly right. I don't know how this guy didn't pick up on that considering that Hojo was just talking about breeding Aerith with a project S or G clone right before that scene
Yeah I thought the same thing based on previous context.
Me too
Yeah I thought he wanted to arrange a face to face so he could get Aerith and the clone to breed!
That's what I thought.
One of the things that really caught me by surprise and made me question Sephiroth was how Sephiroth talks to Cloud. In the OG Sephiroth doesn't know who Cloud is. When Cloud first confronts Sephiroth he doesn't know who Cloud is.
Yet Sephiroth in Remake does.
So they either misinterpreted the relationship between the two or there has to be a different Sephiroth acting.
i would love to see sephiroth become a hero of some sort. i really want them to change sephiroth's story.
That's not gonna happen
It's gonna happen
@@jenneferye no it isn't. Because its stupid.
@@colinnixon7739 That's just to you
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Seems like a lot of people are taking the "Possibly Good? Sephiroth" theories as Sephiroth literally becoming a good person but I think it's much more likely that this "Possibly Good? Sephiroth" is just a Sephiroth that wants to destroy Jenova more than the Planet. Maybe he learned the whole truth of his origin and is pissed about being used for years or maybe he's from a future where he won and Jenova threw him away to die with the rest of humanity or something similar. What I'm trying to say is I could easily see a Sephiroth that hates Jenova more than the Planet Sephiroth would need years of psychological therapy to even vaguely resemble a person one would call good and somehow I doubt that's something he'd be willing to do but maybe we have a Sephiroth that isn't good but not actively a villain. With that being said I agree with everyone else that Hojo, creepy old perv that he is, is talking about breeding Aerith and Sephiroth. That being said your question of what Vincent's role in Sephiroth's origin might be; it was mentioned that originally Vincent was supposed to be a much more important character to the story but almost everything but the bare minimum about Vincent was cut due to time restraints and I'm not sure how much of that was explored in Dirge of Cerberus so it will be interesting to see how his character is expanded in future remake parts.
I don't think it's necessarily true that this Unknown Sephiroth is particularly good, or that he's separated from his beloved Mother. Jenova is a parasite of a sort, as is Sephiroth, and a parasite requires a host to live. The canonical ending of the original FF7 is that hundreds of years in the future Midgar is in ivy-covered ruins and humanity is nowhere to be seen; if Sephiroth is a parasite on humanity, then that's a terrible ending for even a Jenova-aligned Sephiroth. But it's also not unreasonable for Sephiroth to hope he can enlist Cloud to prevent that ending.
Hojo had JUST finished talking about breeding Aerith with an S or G type Soldier. He wanted to meet Sephiroth and Aerith's offspring.
While I definitely concede that Hojo's perv attention was centered on Aerith at the board meeting, Hojo strikes me as the sort who would try to crossbreed any two species if he thought it scientifically interesting. We don't have enough information to truly know who Hojo is talking about. He could be talking about Aerith and Sephiroth, or about Vincent and Lucretia (meaning Sephiroth) or Red XIII and Scarlet for all I know. The man's mind is a box of cats.
@@scrotiemcb5858 But if you are going from the context and the timing of what he was saying, it's very clearly about Sephiroth and Aerith. Also, the notion that Vincent is Sephoroth's father has never been canon so far. So, unless they confirm that he is in these new games, then Sephiroth is still canonically Hojo's son, and Hojo was hoping to meet Sephiroth and Aerith's child, aka his own grandchild.
You telling me my boy Vincent could be Sephiroth's dad? And here I thought Sephy got all of his sexy genes from Hojo. Le Gasp!
There is certainly a resemblance.
😂😂😂
@Asperobin robin Oh, absolutely, I don't really need them to be related. It's just an interesting thought to think how will it all play out if they were related etc. I am generally hyped to see what they will do with Vincent in the remake. And I'm really liking Pez's god Cloud theory. But yeah, the story was good the way it was before so I'm not really demanding dad Vincent to happen.
Aerith : what if everyone except me mistakenly believes I have the gift of prophecy
Sephiroth : what if everyone except me mistakenly believes I do not.
I would definitely like a Cloud and Sephiroth team up against a mutual enemy somewhere along the line.
Remake final fight prediction:
-God Cloud
-Harbinger Sephiroth
-Chaos Vincent
-Aerith mech piloting omega weapon
VS
-Universe Weapon
Fight to reconnect the planet with the rest of the cosmos
Aradner That's some Galaxy Brain type stuff lol
But personally, I think Jenova herself will be the last boss.
GO GO, POWER RANGERS!
Square: You can assume the story of FF7 will remain the same as it always has been
Fans: *Tangents on ideas that completely deviate from everything FF7*
That is actually a good bait that they had. And its so much better that it still has connection to the original
@marcus24000 Actually, Kitase said that.
@marcus24000 Was going off memory, but... "Even though it's a Remake, please assume the story of FF7 will continue as FF7 always has."" -translation of Kitase.
I'm not saying things won't be a little different, or even that there will be an even larger over arching story, but a lot of these theories are getting ridiculous. Even Peasant a while back was saying that Sephiroth being good in some way didn't make sense and probably wouldn't happen, but he keeps drinking that theory juice and now we are here lol.
Everything can still happen the way it was, then you realize defeating Sephiroth will doom humanity, but if you don‘t stop Sephiroth something else undesirable may happen. That makes Sephiroth far more interesting. Plus, it‘s already established the OG‘s ending was end of humanity 500 years later.
Sanzu River definitely! But does humanity actually end? I know kitase or someone said that in an interview but it was very jokingly and vague. So I don’t know if that’s enough “evidence” for me but maybe. Also, in the remake when the party sees the glimpse of red running, notice you don’t see the pups. Assuming they only saw as much as we did, how would red know this is a bad ending? Especially if he didn’t see his pups. I would think having pups would be good for him at least, seeing as he seems to be the only one of his species.
I like how in outro you played the music which is iconic of showing seph’s human side during his time with genesis and angeal. Oh I wanna see more of that so much in the remake.
I think it's worth pointing out that we know how the original timeline ends 500 years in the future. Midgar is no longer a place where humans live; Nanaki's race seems fine, but humanity is presumed extinct. It's not exactly a good ending.
So my theory is that the ultimate result of the original timeline was some form of Bad Ending, one wherein the human race is wiped out by some cataclysm or another as a result of the events of the original FF7. (This human extinction is basically what the AVALANCHE extremists wanted in the prequel _Before Crisis.)_ I also suspect that some form of Sephiroth persisted in the Lifestream to witness this cataclysm and realized how his actions came to bring it to be.
As such, I don't necessarily see Unknown Sephiroth as fully reformed or good, but instead more like an immortal time traveler with the benefit of 500 years of hindsight. He wants humanity to be spared extinction because it somehow leads to his demise centuries in the future, and he believes he can unite with Cloud & Co towards the mutual goal of preventing that future - and with the understanding that he wasn't exactly trustworthy. He doesn't dare tamper with the timeline prior to his union with the Lifestream at Nibelheim, so he cannot undo the Nibelheim fire. But everything after that point - to include the death of Zach - is fair game for Unknown Sephiroth's temporal manipulation. Thus Unknown Sephiroth can't stop the Nibelheim fire, but still he wants the Party's help.
The truly terrifying thing is that whatever does cause the Calamity of the Distant Future is so powerful that even a Sephiroth from the future can't hope to defeat it himself. There is an enemy of incredible scope yet hiding in the shadows of Gaia.
I think Jenova, as she should have been all along with her true power unleashed, is this threat that Sephiroth cannot fight by himself. He asks Cloud not for his physical strength, but mental. No one besides Cloud who has been infected with Jenova cells has managed to overcome her corruptive influence. Sephiroth obviously stands no chance in that department, seeing how he was literally injected with Jenova cells while he was still a fetus. Jenova's vile presence is in his very DNA which he might have come to detest.
@@Da1337Man I'd like it though, if the story goes where in the end, Sephiroth has to be the one to face Jenova as his inner demon, and conquer her for once and for all, even at the expense of his life. But this action will allow him to return to the lifestream, thus we are left with the knowledge he would return, but return Jenova free, and hopefully on track to recovering who he was in CC.
I would absolute love for Square to pull off the ultimate Redemption Arc with Sephiroth. I could actually see "Unknown/'Good' Sephiroth" saving the party from "Jenova/'Evil' Sephiroth" at some point in order to establish to the party that his intents are well meaning, kind of a "I have this, just go! Now!" moment.
If Sephiroth did turn good he probably would get more women then Cloud
@@SamuelJohnsonYTIf he never went crazy I swear Tifa would’ve gotten with him lmao
@@The3rownie I don't think that would happen because she likes Cloud ever since they were kids
This is a great theory! I'm looking forward to Sephiroth being free from evil of the humans, free from the clutches of Jenova, the real Sephiroth emerging-Sephiroth becoming a better version of himself. That's really exciting.
I wonder if they really will retcon Vincent into being Sephy's Daddy. Because whe I played Dirge, it just didn't makes sense to me why Lucrecia went to Hojo without some form of blackmailing or something.
That's because Dirge was badly written, remember FF7 did these details first. Just like Zacks personality in Crisis Core, Cloud was a DICK in the beginning of FF7, which was also when he thought he was Zack for the most part, Aeris even commenting on how the two acted the same and had the same mannerisms. It's why I always had a problem with most of the compilations, the contradicted the original game in ways that only confuse people who didn't play the OG or played the others first. Dirge is the only exception, that one only had bad writing
OG barret be like: "So hes a good guy then?"
Haha I love this
No. NOOOO. Don't get people started! xD
TRUE!!!!!!!!
@@mathewstafford7943 lmao
My exact thought when I saw the video title lmao
One thing I'd like to theorise more, is how much Cloud is so interconnected with everyone.
When Aerith touches him, he starts seeing the Wispers. Later, he doesn't have to touch every member of Avalanche, but they all can see the Wispers too now.
Late game, Sephiroth appears before Cloud in front of Jenova. Everyone seems concerned about Cloud headache, but it's when Tifa touches him that everyone seems to finally see Sephiroth at the end of the bridge.
Also, those allucinations seems to pass so darn fast in Cloud's head. I mean, time seems to stop when he "appear" behind Aerith in chapter 2. Also, no one is moving an inch while Cloud strudge way too long to walk to the elevator and then colapse...
Maybe Cloud will get the attention of alt timeline (Gold Saucer) Jessie and apon shaking his hand of something like Aerith did with Red XIII, Cloud ect and all her (main FF7 R) memories start rushing in leaving her to contemplate who she even is.
What if this third Sephiroth is from another timeline, where he maintained his sense of justice and took a totally different path? Maybe this Sephiroth knows that he became a monster in another realities and is trying to keep his "good self" alive, while helping Cloud defeat his "evil self".
anyone notice that when cloud sees seph he sometimes hold his arm in pain, its the same arm that had the geostigma from advent childern, so wouldnt that be the arm with the genova cells in it
I just finished watching an "all Sephiroth scenes" video and I noticed this myself. He clasps in the vicinity of his elbow, which is a common site for intravenous activity, making it a very possible indication of Hojo's tender mercies. I don't know that I believe the cells he has are limited to that one location, but I would easily accept that the highest concentration of them might be there, if that were the entry point.
@@thetimekeeper955 Both of these are excellent points! I noticed it was the same side as the Geostigma and was excited for that but it hadn't occurred to me to connect it to the "treatments" Hojo forced on him...now that makes me wonder if the reason it developed ON that side in AC in the first place, was because of that connection.
Especially because the On the Way To a Smile stories seem to indicate that being "afraid", particularly of death or dying in some way, make one vulnerable to developing Geostigma; Yuffie comes to that conclusion after trying to trace the source of it, but likewise, Rufus actively seems convinced he's about to die right before being infected with the black goo that caused his.
We do know from those same stories and some implications in the movie itself that Cloud was having a psychological/emotional downswing of sorts, after some setbacks and being reminded of Aerith's death; he even starts to drink more often, closes himself off from others, the movie even shows him having PTSD-like flashbacks related to Zack or Aerith when things remind him of them...if THOSE traumas are being brought back to the surface, why not the medically-related traumas he suffered under Hojo, too?
I mean, heck, Zack's death itself only happens because of a DIRECT result of him trying to rescue Cloud from them BOTH being experimented on/left to rot in Nibelheim's lab, and Cloud was unable to help him and arguably made for a risk to him, because of his mako sickness-induced coma, so I would not be surprised if those traumas are all intimately connected in his mind. So, being reminded of Aerith's death, reminded him of Zack's, reminded him of WHY Zack died, reminded him of...yeah. It fits pretty well.
(It also punches me in the feels! Thanks, guys XD)
@@thetimekeeper955 Both of these are excellent points! I noticed it was the same side as the Geostigma and was excited for that but it hadn't occurred to me to connect it to the "treatments" Hojo forced on him...now that makes me wonder if the reason it developed ON that side in AC in the first place, was because of that connection.
Especially because the On the Way To a Smile stories seem to indicate that being "afraid", particularly of death or dying in some way, make one vulnerable to developing Geostigma; Yuffie comes to that conclusion after trying to trace the source of it, but likewise, Rufus actively seems convinced he's about to die right before being infected with the black goo that caused his.
We do know from those same stories and some implications in the movie itself that Cloud was having a psychological/emotional downswing of sorts, after some setbacks and being reminded of Aerith's death; he even starts to drink more often, closes himself off from others, the movie even shows him having PTSD-like flashbacks related to Zack or Aerith when things remind him of them...if THOSE traumas are being brought back to the surface, why not the medically-related traumas he suffered under Hojo, too?
I mean, heck, Zack's death itself only happens because of a DIRECT result of him trying to rescue Cloud from them BOTH being experimented on/left to rot in Nibelheim's lab, and Cloud was unable to help him and arguably made for a risk to him, because of his mako sickness-induced coma, so I would not be surprised if those traumas are all intimately connected in his mind. So, being reminded of Aerith's death, reminded him of Zack's, reminded him of WHY Zack died, reminded him of...yeah. It fits pretty well.
(It also punches me in the feels! Thanks, guys XD)
So I’m not the only one who noticed that! :O 🤯
What if... instead of killing aerith... sephiroth instead targets the white materia?
would be a fantastic twist on the scene. I like that a lot. Been assuming Zack will show up or some other contextual difference will lead to it going in different directions.
When Hojo said "I wonder...were I to arrange face to face..." and then "How I would like to meet their offspring.", he meant that he want to see Sephiroth in person and eventually the offspring between Aerith and Sephiroth, if they were to mate through natural or artificial means.
Hojo was talking about an hypothetical Sephiroth and Aerith offspring.
That’s what I thought as well.
He was. It can’t be him talking about sephiroth being the offspring because Hojo had obviously met Sephiroth and had a hand in ‘raising’ him.
9:59 Minor fact check here, Pez. You say that Sephiroth carries off the body of Clone 49 (Marco) in Ch 17. But after you beat Jenova Dreamweaver, the Clone collapses and disappears. Next to it is the body of Jenova - that's who gets picked up and taken out of the Shinra building. You can tell by the splotchy, grey skin underneath her clothes and the... ahem... lovely lady lumps she has.
Number 2 takes Jenova and number 2 is Zack
Now that you've mentioned it, has a Sephiroth Clone actually turned into a Jenova monster (or whatever it's called ) in the original? As far as I've remembered (as I've only watched the original playthroughs), the Sephiroth the group was chasing (in the original) was Jenova's headless body changing its appearance; and that each time it leaves, it left a piece of itself that changes into a Jenova-type monster. Also, the fact of Jenova's headless corpse was traveling by itself to the Northern Crater. I don't think there was any indication of Sephiroth Clones doing that in the original game, as they only traveled to the Northern Crater and other things. In the remake, not only has a Sephiroth Clone changed into a Jenova monster, but also the fact that a Sephiroth Clone was carrying Jenova's body (to possibly the Northern Crater). Isn't that the indication that Jenova didn't used any of its body parts to create that Jenova monster in the remake? That Jenova's body hasn't changed (everything the same) one bit once it left that capsule? What's the possibility that (unlike the original) Jenova's original body is still kept intact and is carried all the way to the Northern Crater? Doesn't that also mean the possibility of other Sephiroth Clones also turning into Jenova-type monsters?
@@shadowsaber4566 You are right about the original game. Each version of the Jenova fights are just dismembered parts of her body taking shape into Jenova monsters. I'm too intrigued about the Sephiroth Clone getting destroyed and not being Jenova's head manifested as Jenova Dreamweaver.
@@shadowsaber4566 It was clone leaving behind piece of Jenova heading to the Reunion, same as Cloud, Cloud wsn't chasing Sephiroth... Sephiroth was summoning him. Cloud just didn't know.
The true ending results in the planet winning and everything else losing. The bad ending would be Jenova winning, resulting in all life ceasing and the planet crumbling into nothingness. The ending that needs to conclude is where the planet and all life continues to thrive along with the planet. To get there, it may be necessary to explore Sephiroth having a redemption arc, which dissolves the old story telling tropes of light vs dark, and replaced with more modern story telling where villains aren't evil, just the product of misfortune manifested into tangible malice, and nobody is beyond saving. Some of the best villains are characterized by the ones you most sympathize/connect with. This Sephiroth may be the only person who has the power to purge Jenova from the planet, its possible he might return to heroism at the last moment. If this is the ultimate play, i'd personally love to see it but prefer it told in a separate sequel game to this rendition of FF7R as to not muddy up this game too much, but its fine if they want to use FF7R as the medium to set up that arc.
My theory is that Unknown Sephiroth is essentially a time traveler from exactly that True/Bad Ending that you describe. Sephiroth needs humanity somehow, and is going back in time to prevent human extinction. For whatever reason, he is not strong enough to prevent such a cataclysm himself, and requires the assistance of Cloud & Co.
If so, it would make sense that Sephiroth would not dare meddle with the timeline prior to his union with the Lifestream at Nibelheim; this would be the event that grants him virtual immortality, so he'd run the risk of wiping his future self out of existence if he went back in time before that. Anything after that point (such as preventing Zack's death) would be fair game, but critically he can't risk undoing the Nibelheim Fire. This puts him in an awkward position asking for Cloud's help.
Wow ok never thought if this possibility i mean it is really possible for SE to go to this route because they already confirmed that the "next journy is still unknown" or something like that. I would to see Sephiroth seeing his original plan on taking over the world would be his own demise because that probably destroyed himself in the process and that maybe in the next chapter of the game SE will show us the unseen catastrophic result of his doing that led him to go back in time and seek Cloud's help. I mean if he would redeem himself in the remake while Aerith and now Zack is and still alive I wonder if both Zack and Aerith would sacrifce themselves in the later part because their fate is inevitable and it is necessary for the planet's survival and then Sephiroth would sacrifice himself too dealing with his old evil self thus improving his character and story arc making it a semi full circle about him first known as a great soldier with many who idolizes him and later becoming the great evil then redeeming himself for his evil doing fulfilling his assumed role as the great soldier who will save the planet while retaining the beloved arc of Aerith and Zack sacrifices for the greater good because honestly i was kinda bummed out knowing that Zack is still kinda "alive" in the remake that robbed him from his original story arc that made him one of the best character in the FF franchise.
@@alicev.3867, as I pointed out earlier, Future Sephiroth may be wary of events that would create temporal paradoxes. He can't go back in time to destroy himself, or alter himself too much, and still be around to go back in time - well, I guess to some extent this depends on how the story writers plan on dealing with time travel.
It's possible that Future Sephiroth can't risk revealing himself to Current Sephiroth *at all.* After all, Sephiroth's track record of responding calmly to revelations about the nature of himself is... well, we know what happened to Nibelheim. Current Sephiroth becoming aware of Future Sephiroth may ruin Future Sephiroth's entire plan... which would explain a lot of Future Sephiroth's cryptic interactions with the Party thus far. He's worried that he can't trust them yet to keep all of that information from Current Sephiroth.
As such, I strongly suspect that the story for Part 2 will have Future Sephiroth interfering with events in much the same way that the Whispers interfered with events of Part 1. The difference would be that while the Whispers wanted to keep the original story on track, I believe Future Sephiroth will try to steer Aerith away from the Ancient City. I don't know how he'll achieve this.
Omega still exists within the planet jenova wouldn’t win anything think of omega as that love craft thing that ends all creation when it wakes up.
@@robertbarber1198 Omega's plan is to suck up all sentient and non-sentient life and fly off into the stars with it. There's no point in that plan as long as Jenova taints the life on the planet, or the lifestream itself. It'd just end up taking Jenova with it. Omega is kinda useless as long as Jenova is around.
I've always wondered this since playing the OG FF7. The final fight with Seph after traveling through the 'wormhole'/'mindhole' shows him with no shirt, no armor, no defenses. He's completely bare and he attacks kind of meekly if you wait for him. It's hard to tell with the no-facial-expression 3D sprites, but it's almost like Seph wants Cloud to finish him off. Like maybe that Seph is the remaining 'good' in him that's been struggling against the 'evil' and the hijacking of his mind/body by Jenova and he knows he has to die to end the threat to the planet. Probably not really the case but it's fun to ponder the what if's...
Sephiroth died before that, remember Cloud had Sephy's influence inside him, that was a battle withing, which makes no sense for Sephiroth reapppearing in AC
Something about that edge of creation scene made me think that Sephiroth was genuinely asking Cloud to help him. It's almost as though the human part of him is asking Cloud to find a way to revive him somehow.
I love how this game's already having us come up with so many different theories and there is so much potential to have the game follow the same story beats but change the order in which things happen at some level. I really do love the original ff7 but I'm really enjoying what they're doing with this story and I think it would be cool if the uncorrupted Sephiroth continues to find a way to communicate to Cloud in future segments of the game.
I absolutely hate it and the only thing I feel is fear that they'll mess it up further.
In a way changing the story from the original is more respectful to the original than just making a one to one recreation out of it, because that would make the original obsolete. Now you see soooo many people who never played a JRPG in there live picking up the original FF7 because they liked the Remake.
@@Michael854442 Name one recreation of a story Japan has done *cough*manga*cough* or old games that wasn't successful? Your thinking is backwards compared to Japan. They find respecting the source material respectful, not changing things. Look at Ghost in the Shell: Arise and how poorly that did in Japan because of alterations. They like maintaining while ADDING to, not trying to rewrite things. Young people generally can't get into the original because of graphics and most that never touched it until remake is likely to see what was different.
@Aaron9 You can keep your pitchforks hanging, FF7 is my favorite game and I didn‘t say it was obsolete. Let me clarify: Now with all the changes they made to Remake, in order to get the full story of the FF7 universe you NEED to play the original too. Would the Remake have been mostly a one to one copy of the original-basically a remaster with better graphics there wouldn‘t be a need to play the OG anymore.
By changing up some of the underlying story they added value to the OG, which is good. 👍
@@blumiu2426 Oh boy, I may have ruffled some feathers here. Let me respond in detail so you know where I'm coming from with this.
Firstly, I never said anything about successful or unsuccessful and I don't need to name an unsuccessful anime or anything of the sort (I'm not even interested in manga or anime, so your example concerting Ghost in the Shell Arise doesn't tell me much - though, I'm just gonna take your claim, that it sucked on face value, because it does not matter for my argument here).
Yes, there are lots of remakes out there, which are pretty one to one adaptations and also successful. And yes there are adaptations, which drift to far away from the source material (in the opinion of some people of cause) and are therefore not successful - not only in Japan. But we are talking about FF7R and concerning the success of that game so far... well, one can't argue that part 1 wasn't damn successful - breaking records even.
Now you may claim that part 2 will crash and burn in Japan, because you just can't see an adaptation that changes so much as FF7 Remake did being successful in Japan, but let's wait for part 2 first before making that observation, shall we? :)
In addition, you just witnessed a team of japanese developers and artists - largely the same team, that brought us the original FF7 in the days of old - just doing that, which apparently won't be successful in Japan by your definition. So by that logic, you are claiming, that Nomura, Kitase, Nojima and the gang just disrespected their own artwork and their own intellectual property, because the changes they have made are to far away from your personal tastes and opinions or from what you claim the personal tastes and opinions of japanese people are (side note: not all japanese people feel the same way, ok?).... right... How about we let the artist decide what is respectful and disrespectful to their own work? ;)
Concerning your example with manga/anime adaptations: I'm not sure this is a fitting comparison for FF7 and FF7R. You can have the exact same story in a manga and an anime and people will pick up the type of media they prefer. Some prefer to read, some to watch movies. Remaking the exact same story in a new type of media, does not make the other piece of media obsolete the same way it would, would it be on the same type of media. Case in point: in the case of FF7, both the original game and the remake are available on the SAME platform, the same type of media - the PS4 of cause. So you have many people now who have a decision to make: "Which one shall I play?". Many would argue, that there would be no need whatsoever to play a 23 year old game with dated graphics when they can play the same game with better graphics and gameplay systems, which are in line with the times. I mean why would anyone new to the series wanna play the original Resident Evil 2 now that we have that awesome remake? Most people will always pick up the newer version of the story.
BUT...
If they fall in love with the characters in FF7R and then they learn, that the remake is actually more of a sequel instead of a remake, then they may overcome their distaste of old polygon graphics and play the original anyways. And guess what? That's exactly what we see now. So many people, who have never picked up a JRPG are now playing the OG FF7 because of remake. And when they come back to Hard Mode in part 1 or start part 2 in the future they'll be in the same boat as we veterans and can enjoy the theory crafting going on right now. I think that is exactly, what the developers intended with Remake and not disrespecting the source material.
Lastly, let's say you're right about japanese people liking adding things to stories and not rewriting them like you said. Ok, But guess what: That's exactly what Square has done here. They preserved so many moments and feelings from the original while ADDING a unique spin, that may very well blow the doors wide open of what a REMAKE can be. The complain of "rewriting things" is often used, when creators basically erase the original in order to promote their own new vision of things. The 2016 Ghostbusters movie comes to mind, where they used the world and setting but didn't even acknowledge the characters or the story of the original. Now that would be a stellar example of how not to do it, considering the box office results. But can you really argue, that FF7 Remake is on that level? I think not. Yes, they changed some things, but they didn't erase them or even replace them how typical remakes would have done it. By making basically a sequel, that feels like a remake they showed the utmost respect for the original in my opinion.
Now, your opinion my differ and you don't think of it as respectful. You may even hate the Remake for changing too much. That's fine by me. I don't care. I just uttered my take on the matter on how I feel about the Remake and your argument which involves speaking for an entire group of people while ignoring the glaring irony of having a part of those people doing exactly what you claim that group of people shouldn't like, isn't gonna change my mind.
Again, just to hammer it home: I just wanted to clarify, why I don't think your argument is solid enough to be a good argument. I have no problem with your personal taste concerning FF7R. Heck, you are obviously passionate about a certain 23 year old game which I also love to death. And you are interested enough in the new one, that you clicked on one of Pez' batshit crazy theory videos - which is nice.
But really lastly now, just because I wanna poke a bit of fun at your request: The 2018 Secret of Mana Remake wasn't very good and it wasn't very successful. Both sales and review scores weren't really that high. Maybe because it was too similar to the original, didn't take advantage of the new technical possibilities, didn't take risks and just was basically the same thing as the original but with a graphical style, that just didn't translate very well into 3D. So there you have it - I named one. :D
Imagine Vincent telling sephiroth
Vincent: sephiroth I am your father
Sephiroth: no that’s impossible
Also imagine the “good” sephiroth saving aerith from the normal sephiroth
Imagine "good" Sephiroth acting from cloud. Possessing him, interfere in mind control.
Like Jenova isn't cleared in main timeline of remake. So he kind of afraid, or, more likely, have a plan, that he doesn't want fully manifest himself yet.
Ye, doesn't sound right
@DevilKaz PLEASE. I hope they make that clarification it makes so much sense. Vincent is 100 percent Sephiroths father
At the very least, even if Weiss and Nero were found to be biologically related to Vincent, that would still be intriguing.
@DevilKaz if hojo is sephiroths dad why is he not ugly
@@tenkuken7168 Lucrecia. That's why
Well, with the original game's ending being presented as a bad outcome, just think of Sephiroth's presence in that ending, and what desires he would develop under such circumstances. People keep saying it looks like they're trying to go "Kingdom Hearts" on us, but I actually think they're trying to go "Dissidia" on us. If you consider how Dissidia is a follow-up to Final Fantasy 1, then maybe FF7R could be seen as a Dissidia-like follow-up to FF7. I would even suggest that the "Unknown" Sephiroth you actually fight face to face is the one who has been through Dissidia, and is taking that experience back to his home world to make a difference.
I think Sephiroth knows more about the planet then Aerith, now that I replayed both, that red 13 sees the original ending of ff7 ps1 and said a ending if we fail here today stating that humanity ends I assume. Before you go into the portal in last chapter Sephiroth says “ all born are bound to her, should this world be unmade so to her children” to me it sounds like this time he is talking about that planet not Jenova. Then looks at Aerith and says “those who look through clouded eyes only see shadows” so could he be talking about that what she hears from the planet are lies to do its bidding. And the whispers are lost souls of the planet the life force take make life stream feeding the planet?
Sephiroth never wanted to destroy the planet just wound it so he could take over the life stream and the planet from what was said in the temple of ancients. So what if it wasn’t sephiroth who summoned meteor but the planet to wipe out all the humans to start over and make new ones to feed the planet again because they became to powerful and sephiroth is trying to stop the planet and needs clouds help? It gives me legacy of Kain series vibes that the true villain isn’t who is presented to you. Makes me feel like the planet is the real villain this time around.
I dont know they way things are being put into place I would not be surprised if the planet was the true villian making sure Sephiroth failed every time but if cloud and Sephiroth unite the planet cannot stand against their combined power. if not cloud is going to have to do some Uber training because end of creation Sephiroth clearly has Clouds combat style down to a T and the party will not stand a chance further down the line.
I want to see Sephiroth fully Restore jenova to fully healed and see what she can do.
nice theory
The planet itself, as a villain? Sounds terrifying yet interesting...
🤔🤔🤔Your theory is intresting and worth trying i will love to read fanfic about this instead of all nsfw yaoi lemons that fill the fanfic world until it vomet where is people like you man you should Try writing FFVIIs fic based on your theory it will be woaow
Still say and continue to say Sepths true goal is to ensure Arith survives. Remember back in OG ending Holy fails, everything fails and the only thing that saves the day is Arith controlling the life stream, a feat only possible because he killed her. She lives and he wins
Here's an interesting take going off of what you said. If Sephiroth is a conglomerate of the memories of *those alive* , AKA Cloud and the other's memory of a hateful villian. Is *Zack being alive at the end* throwing into the mix *another pool of memory* to draw from? Sephiroth becoming his *more complete, Crisis Core self* starts to happen *at the same time Zack is established as being alive*
Thoughts
Does this mean we will see Genesis, Lucrecia, and Professor Gast? Their memories of Sephiroth would nearly make him whole (mother's untainted love, rivals untamed jealousy, and mentors positive image of what their legacy would be ? My bet is on the next part ending at the Icicle Inn, with ifalna still caught, but Gast surviving.
We won’t see genesis for sure because of contract agreement with the character who played him. Yes eventually you’ll have to kill sephiroth and Zack to stop sephiroth
@5555Thecrow ahh yes. Sephiroth is still the villain. But there's more than one Sephiroth here. We only know the motives of 2 of them.
@@andrewrenshaw2741 Are there 3 Sephiroths, two Sephiroths and a Jenova....? Are we even going to get into the Jenova Theory where Sephiroth really isn't in control? Can we play with the idea that one Sephiroth is in control and one is under Jenova's control?
(watashi vs ore or w/e?)
@@snarkvictory4425 its possible. I believe there are 3 sephiroths. The OG sephiroth who leads cloud to get the black materia, advent children Sephiroth who used his will to travel the lifestream and meddle in the affairs of the original timeline to create a better outcome for him, and a third mystery Sephiroth. Based on what the OP here mentioned, this Sephiroth may be trying to restore himself to a whole being by reviving people who had memories of him. What his plans are after that are a mystery. Did he have some revelation and find an entity that he can only overcome while whole? Did he see Aerith and become jealous of her power and this is the way he can take it from her? Theres just so much mystery.
I’m more on board with these theories than the God cloud theory.
One scene I felt was interesting with what you said in regards to fate/destiny making sephiroth lose... the edge of creation fight sequence. It was literally replaying the end of ff7 and sephiroth was able to parry all the attacks and over power cloud. I think that was showing sephiroth no longer bound by fate and able to finally beat cloud.
This video shows the accurate translation of what Sephiroth says at the Edge of Creation in the Japanese version. th-cam.com/video/KbM0Gi5SKTc/w-d-xo.html
It actually kind of supports this theory, along with the “Ore” and “Watashi” thing, the language is also much friendlier, looking for teamwork. It’s very interesting.
I think Pez talked about that many times on stream. He knows it.
PetarBlade Štrok Ah okay, well I guess if anyone else wants to check it out, it’s here.
Thanks for this link!
Wow. I love watching your theories. Keep doing them. It is going to be awhile before we get the next part. I can't wait what the creators will do next.
what i find the best scene
is that moment cloud refuses seph and he makes this movement and look on his face
I'm theorizing that Sephiroth has been in that exact same situation over and over and he's just hearing the same answer he expected Cloud to give.
ethereal _ I mean what does he expect? Instead of just telling or even showing Cloud what he knows, he just keeps on fighting him lol
@@RikudoMadaraUchiha its fking sephiroth
who the f knows what EXACTLY he wants
we dont even know wtf is going on overall
so much shit you dont know, and that could make this maybe a BIT shitty
like what if presnt seph for example is actually evil enough to fuck up future seph who has different goals,
you
dont
know
wait for game 2 or fuck me, maybe even game 3 or 4 to get wtfs going on
its nomura, the galaxy brain man, best guess he has this 10 diomensional plan that is overly comlicated
What I find amusing, is how (in the first chapter) Sephiroth says to Cloud to cling onto his hatred and (at the very end of chapter 18) he then ask him to join him XD
It's like "Hate me more, but I need your help so let's team together" ^-^'
SinsTenshi Exactly 😂 Left hand doesn’t know what the right is doing
its nice to have you back man. I missed these types of videos
I just realized the entire final fight is a recreation of advent children even when it shows red Tifa and Barret fighting the whispers that’s how they fought in the beginning of AC when Marlene is telling the story
Just wanted to say that I find these videos amazing. The love you have for this game is real, and I feel I can live vicariously through that in these lonely Covid-19 times. I also hope some of your theory-crafting has merits. I'd love nothing more than to see the conclusion of this amazing story leave all FF7 fanboys and girls with awe and wonder, and fond memories to discuss on forums like these for years to come.
Sephiroth is the classic example of a fallen Hero. Personally I think Jenova corrupted his mind and erased any trace of humanity. There's also alot of rage that's built up.
His motives are a mixture of paranoia and misinformation. He doesn't want the planet to end, and he feels the only way to do this is merge with the planet and livestream and take complete control over the planet. He needs to damage the planet enough to attempt this and Meteor is to be used for this purpose. But all traces of goodness that might of existed in Sephiroth is long gone. He believes 100% in his cause and won't be swayed by anything or anyone. It is what it is.
Actually since his status after Crisis Core is unknown but he's still alive just sealed in a cave. Is Genesis (Rhapsodos) I wonder if he's going to play a role in this remake? It would make sense since he was created essentially the same way as Sephiroth and they were good friends. Plus Genesis is pretty close to Sephiroth in power and his degradation was cured by the lifestream in Crisis Core. I don't know just a thought. This also might have something to do with Zach still being alive. Zach and Genesis did part ways on good terms with Genesis sealing himself away untill he was needed to protect the planet. Well what better time would it be to reverse the roles of Sephiroth and Genesis, with Sephiroth being the antagonist and Geneis being a potential good guy. Goddamn you Square Enix now you really opened a freaking can of worms leaving everything so wide open now.
Plus Hojo is as oblivious as he is insane, I guess he didn't get the memo, but Sephiroth really didn't like Hojo even when he was still a good guy. Though Hojo does consider Sephiroth his greatest creation.
In conclusion I like your theory of Jenova infecting Sephiroth, it's quite possible. I wonder if there was a way to neutralize her ability to infect others or in those already infected?
You got yourself a new subscriber 👍🏼, wow you really link a bunch of things to make great theories that I actually second you. Keep it up 🙌🏼
When Cloud attacks Sephiroth and when Sephiroth allows him to be hit instead of defending it, it looks like a wisp actually defends Sephiroth and Sephiroth is aware that that's what they would do
loved it! ff7 remake theories are like crack to me now, NEED MORE
Sephiroth says “I’m waiting cloud” when he enters the singularity. Then, after beating the harbinger, you hear him say again “I’m waiting cloud”. I think it’s the same one.
The thing that I noticed that I don't think that many people did is that after the portal part, they're beyond space and time, meaning that they are ALL the most perfect versions of themselves, and have knowledge of things that they didn't prior. Cloud uses omnislash, which he doesn't even know yet. Sephiroth has his black wing, they're all like superheroes at this point, being beyond time.
Hojo's offspring line is that he wants to see Sephiroth and Aerith's offspring. However, it wouldn't be a far reach that he has thought the same about Vincent and Lucrecia back in Nibelheim, before Vincent became Chaos. So in a way, the Sephiroth Valentine theory still stands.
When describing sephiroth one must remember "Beneath the clothes, we find a man. And beneath the man...we find...his nucleus"
I was watching the edge of destiny sequence a lot last night and EVERYTHING about it is flawless. How meta was that? Was Sephiroth also referring to FF7 being done at some point and his ego wouldn't have it? Knowing he needs Cloud as well as it elevates Sephiroth?
It was one of the best set pieces of the entire game as there is so much meaning and foreshadowing and that FIGHT! Remaking the camera angles from the original game but this time Sephiroth blocking Omnislash as he KNEW where to block and it wasn't because Cloud was weak either. Cloud was on Goku levels with his speed and offensive attacks and Sephiroth's fighting form in blocking it with complete confidence was masterful. Breathtaking. Then the 7 seconds until the end will leave us all wondering for a while. It was perfect (just like how Aeriths scene in the OG FF7 was perfect to hit us in the gut in such a powerful way).
Love it Pezz! Awesome. New Seph takes on old Seph and Jenova with us then turns against us. Or maybe even Genesis resurfaces too and we need to take him out. Them last theories are wild but yeah anything is possible! I think we all had a bit of ahhh Marle is like Marlene but didn't go much further than that! But they can't discount Dyna man
I don't know about you but Sephiroth sure does deserve redemption
"Ore" is pronounced "o-reh", not with a silent E like the English word ore.
The offspring thing...he was still talking about breeding Aerith...
With sephiroth?
@@lukedodson3441 Well in the original game he was gonna try with Red13...If Sephiroth was open to it...that was how i took it
@5555Thecrow just a bit of fun isn't it.
@5555Thecrow Hojo isnt exactly sane...or he doesnt care about ethics when it comes to science.
@@lukedodson3441 He also thought about Cloud as a possible breeding partner for Aerith..
Been loving this channel so much. I love just listening to your excitement
I am currently finishing a 100k+ word fanfiction on a different take of an independently accidentally the good guy Sephiroth who has to fight Jenova and it is so good how much the canon has always backed up my interpretation of the character. When Crisis Core came out all my friends were shocked how accurately I'd predicted his personality and mannerism from a handful of lines in a flashback.
Anyway, your video has now given me even further raised expectations for where the future games are going even if I'm terrified of another TROS scenario because FF7 means so much more to me than Star Wars
After Pes mentioned Jenova taking on the forms of the Cetra's dead loved ones. What if she later takes on the form of Aerith or Zack to torment Cloud? D:
From the minute I saw the more gentle and sincere demeanor of Edge of Creation Sephiroth, I felt a strong chance for a healing Seph..
Aerith calling Sephiroth wrong actually could also indicate this.. Since she could be saying basically that THAT Sephiroth is an improper Sephiroth. Just an idea.
definitely loving it, totally crazy for it, crazy for more surprises ad for more information. its like waiting for you favorite author to finalize that last book in the series ^^
Holy shit, Pez. I love these theory deep dives! Excellent content my man! My mind is going in so many directions right now.
9:58 The body the clone Sephiroth is carrying is Jenova, you can clearly see she has no head and the weird mutated wing things are sticking out.
I've always had an impression that cloud lifted sephiroth not because of mako but because of jenova's cells reaction to cloud's body, let alone his state of mind...losing his family, friends...zack, tifa on that reactor. If i remember correctly, Sephiroth used his sword to cut jenova's head before trusting it to cloud and thus Hojo became interested with cloud not because he delivered the final blow to sephiroth but his reaction to jenova cells, which of course made him the first clone afterwards. No other clones are like cloud. I guess my question is, what's so special about him?
And yea, i do believe Sephiroth wanted to take over cloud's body thus the scene about 'let's fight together'...twist might be Sepiroth will let Cloud to take over for the both of them. I don't know...
I never considered that! Masamune had Jenova bits on it (not pictured lol) and Cloud gets a moment of strength from all of his emotions. Very cool observation, I loved this
Asside from the offspring thing between Sephiroth and Aerith and Sephiroth picking up "marko" before Rufus drops in, I think that this is well reasoned. I love the you explenations around Aerith and Sephiroth and her ability as well as bringing in the different music that was playing at the time.
You help us appreciate just how much a work of art this Game really is. Thanks!
Also, in Dissidia NT story, Sephiroth says to Cloud, "Our goals will align." I thought of that when you mentioned how Cloud and Sephiroth needing to work together to save the planet like Noctis and Arydn working together.
I'm so excited to see where this goes. I'm a weirdo and although i liked the gameplay in the orig and the comp I came for the story camp and all, so the fact this is more of a sequel is great, hell one of the main reasons I wanted a remake was to breath life into the comp so we can get more story and that includes the wacky stuff. Glad I stopped smoking now I might survive to see this thing through.
If you think about it, Hojo has been revealing extreme facts like how Cloud was never Soldier, so we might get him to explain about the lies regarding sephiroths mother.
Subscribed love your analysis. I thought the same about edge of creation Sephiroth. I really like how you linked everything together and explored a deeper meaning on many scenes quoting on a way to a smile, doc, cc. Very interesting about what hojo said, I totally missed that. Time to play the game again lol
Hojo meant meeting with Seph, he is the referred offspring (which is a massive fan service). At that point en FFVII and FFVIIR Seph was considered deceased by everyone. Hence Hojo’s reaction when hearing about him, as well he has no clue about multiple Sephs but as the game progresses he starts to think of hypothesis, as result of his interactions with the Whispers.
Sephiroth - Strike me down with all your hatred, and your journey towards the dark side will be complete.
WHO IS HE PALPATINE?!
Maybe by offspring Hojo meant Aerith and Sephiroth's, as he wanted to arrange a "meeting" between them. Shinra believed Jenova was an ancient, and as sephi has Jenova cells, they would be more likely to produce near pure Cetra kids.
I LOVE these theory videos. Keep them coming.
i love so much listening to your theories. this was amazing
Speaking of Dirge, I'm wondering if Genesis has a hand involved somewhere. If Sephiroth did a heel-face turn at some point, then maybe it was Genesis that induced that.
Since age 14 and the original 7. I've never considered Sephiroth a "villian", he's been my childhood hero even before his crisis core self.
Great vid!
The reunion is Sephiroth, Cloud, Zack, Angeal and Genesis getting back together, and living happily ever after.