i think you 100% right. And this would be the best version of resetting a character. Remember how they always make established characters weak and stupid (basically all old team from original SW for example)? They need to have conflict in these guys. And here we see a natural progression, with natural results of previous events. Its not about making the movie dark and gloomy. its about fight with new reality. I hope someone from the studio will watch your video and try to make the original movie. Marvel really needs it.
They need to build up NYC more. It's been a problem with the MCU the past decade. Everything feels like set pieces and not lived in worlds. Compare to Raimi Spidey where New Yorkers were helping Peter out and he was busting his ass delivering pizzas. We need that atmosphere again
Avengers 2012 was the last time New York felt like a lived-in place with living breathing human beings. Since then it’s just been a sterile, soulless sandbox for superheros to exist and fight. The MCU’s world building is so dogshit.
I partially agree but I also think the MCU spidey movies have some great NYC moments, especially in the first one-peter’s relationship with the sandwich shop, “do a flip” guy, the lady who gives the churro, the ferry scene, etc. the problem is that these things get overshadowed instead of prioritised. spider-man is all about his relationships with the people of NYC and the city itself. MCU spidey has shown hints of this, they just need to expand on it
A supporting cast with some genuine pathos and struggles of their own might help. They clearly had no idea what to do with Marissa Tomei as Aunt May and Ned was just "awkward offbrand ganke." Heck I may have issues with how the MJ in the Raimi films was written but I can at least tell you more about her character and backstory than Michelle Jones.
@@thatpeskyrathonestly, none of those scenes felt like it mattered to the character. Just kind of one offs, mostly jokes. That's not creating an atmosphere.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lpi have to agree compared to the Raimi nyc people these people just felt like one off jokes or a poor attempt at building a world. All the random people in Raimi’s NYC just seemed like random everyday people getting caught in a situation that required spiderman. Nothing will ever top the bridge scene from spiderman 1 with the “YOU MESS WITH ONE OF US YOU MESS WITH ALL OF US!.” Line and the famous train scene when the kid tells peter who is unmasked “don’t worry we won’t tell anyone.”
The irony that he said he was gonna be just a friendly neighborhood Spiderman in Homecoming, only for him to fight Thanos in his very next appearance with Infinity War and then as far as he knew save the multiverse in Far From Home. Then again in No way home.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lpAccording to the leaked script for Kang Dynasty, he was also supposed to be basically the main character in that movie. Once again basically just bringing him right back to the multiverse stuff after the ending of No Way Home. Sounds to me like Marvel is falling back on Spider-Man again, which is really sad. For decades Spiderman was the only profitable character beyond the X-Men. Nobody cared about Iron Man and Thor and all them until the MCU
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Yeah, that’s probably the biggest problem with Homecoming. Peter’s entire character arc in that film was about learning how he doesn’t need to rely on Stark technology inorder to be a good hero, something he proves at the end of the film. The problem is that right after he proves that… he is immediately given back his Stark technology which kind of defeats the point. It’s as if they wanted to make Peter seem more independent but also didn’t want to get rid of all his cool gadgets because of how the MCU has this aversion to street level heroes. Just look at Moon Knight who was given magical Egyptian based powers when he was basically just like Batman in the original comics. It really feels as if the MCU struggled with figuring out who exactly Spider-Man should be, until No Way Home, in the films because he honestly felt more like Ironman’s sidekick than his own hero a lot of the time. I’m glad that No Way Home seems to suggest that Spider-Man will being going back to his street based roots but it really feels like No Way Home rectified something that Peter should’ve learned way before the events of the film. He should’ve tossed away the Stark technology at the end of Homecoming and he should’ve learned the Great Power equals Great Responsibility from Ben.
@AmusedCoffee-ym3gb nah, they've been waiting to replace him Miles for years now. Gonna replace him like the other Avengers. I doubt we're gonna get any good Spiderman films. Probably just gonna be set up for Miles. They don't care anymore.
Honestly they should have a spiderman film first that emphasize on his new cast of college students first such as gwen, harry, and possibly flash thompson if theyre going for the fourth film rather than something big like wilson fisk or norman osborn. The old cast of characters prior to nwh was kind of lame and uninteresting
@@galactic85definitely. For such a grimdark take, it did better than even the Nolan films at actually showing how Batman is a symbol of hope in his own way. Movies like the Nolan films might be better films overall, but the idea of Batman as a symbol of hope was much more abstract. The Batman did a slightly better job at following "show, don't tell."
C'mon we all know that Spider-Man's best interests are the legacy and assets of a billionaire /s Tom Holland Spiderman would fall so hard for comic book Norman Osborne if he found himself in the world of the comic. Megalomaniac tech CEOs are his favourite thing ♥️
Spiderverse movies are an example of Multiverse movies done right and executed well, and honestly I think Spiderverse should just be its own thing and not shoved everywhere else
He's going to end up a good guy. Miles will end up liking him because he wears a cape. Peter will side with Miles because 2099 wears a cape. So everyone will get along full circle.@@Yarblocosifilitico
The Multiverse works well as a concept whe used sparingly. It dilutes stakes when you overuse it. It's fun to have a team of different Spider-Men for a one off, but not a series
From wat I understand, Feige and Marvel Studios intended for their Spider-Man 4 to be a more grounded, street level story. But Sony kept insisting on a second multiverse story for the plot just because of how well No Way Home and Across the Spider-Verse did. So u got one side trying to take a creative pivot based on how NWH ended, while the other is simply tryna make more money despite the law of diminishing returns.
See I was kinda excited for the fact the MCU spiderman was so different. I liked the Iron Spider direction because it was a different take that made sense. They had to jump through so many hoops to remove it when they had a perfectly good just different spiderman story.
@@NoirNamelessHuh? The last three Spiderman movies were awesome. If you've read the comics you would know that there were often cameos by other heroes/villains/characters. I'm very excited Spidey is finally involved with the extended Marvel universe.
Just a simple story about Peter having to balance school or work with fighting one (ONE, JUST ONE) villain. No Avengers crap. No trips to Europe. No multi-verse. No half-assed attempt at a Sinister Six. And no, it should not be Venom.
Bruh we’ve had already, you taking this multiverse spider man movie for granted, you acting like we’re not going to get a movie you expect in the next upcoming spider man films
@@starwyd1798 We aren't. Tom Holland will be over 30 by the time the next Spider-man movie comes out, and a lot of it will be a set for the next Avengers. They wasted too much time. He'll probably retire from the role by the year 2030. It will start all over again.
They're setting up Kingpin to be a major player in the MCU going foward and he won't be a villain in Spider-man's movie? That's a huge missed opportunity.
@@Raccon_Detective. Exactly. Anything but Spidey vs The Wall is garbage. (joking, ofc. But, tbf, we do need to go back to lower stakes and classic villains)
@@MarioSonicBee yeah it’s doing well and is well liked, but I feel like the love will die down in the future honestly. It was fun, but the story was so weak.
It makes no sense how Kingpin is a Spider-Man villian. He needs to STAY a Daredevil villain. Kingpin is just a really, really strong human. I don’t get how he’s able to compete with Spider-Man who is superhuman.
@@spacedude1145I don't have a problem with the idea of Spider-Man being connected to "the Web of Destiny" across the multiverse or whatever, or even with the idea of him being a borderline magical spider totem, but these things are best used on the periphery of Spider-Man's adventures that only pop up on special occasions, not the norm.
Given how Marvel just made a big deal out of RDJ coming back as Doctor Doom, any hope I had for the MCU to not keep going through the same bits forever is long gone by now.
So his school records and stuff were erased? Why wouldnt it just erase peoples memory, not his records? What about his social security? His birth certificate? LOL. Does he even exist? How does he even go to college or get a license if he has no records of anything? Hes an illegal immigrant? 😂😂😂
@@Necksteppa77 I would think that it would all exist still. As records and memories, though similar, are different. Like a memory can exist without someone remembering it.
@@scottmackenzie2449 Yea, im thinking that too, but he has books studying for his GED at the end of NWH. So he didnt get his diploma, and its implying none of his school records exist, thats why im confused.
The multiverse is just a narrative tool like magic or time travel. You can tell plenty of good stories with them... but only if you have a good story already.
That’s the thing though: comic writers usually do. But most casual viewers aren’t mega comics readers and have only grasped the multiverse through Spider-Verse, CW Crisis and all the new films. So the cultural perception is that of giant studios bringing back old franchise stars/scenes for nostalgia value. And that’s not usually the case in these comic stories.
@@benwasserman8223 eh I'm not sure about now, there's tons of Spiderverse comic stories that just exist to bring in variants of Spider-Man for fanservice, but the comics do tend to do multiverse stories better. My favorites are Captain Britains multiverse arcs and COIE.
Yeah, I'd hate if the only reason Zendaya is used over and over in these films is due to her and Tom being together IRL. I think it takes away from the nature of Spidey which is, Parker can't seem to catch a break in or out of costume. However, he has more baddies in his female lineup than he does in his rogues gallery😂
Agreed. This would be a perfect time to introduce Black Cat since she always preferred him as Spider-Man. What better time than now when Spider-Man is all he has left of his old life? I'd also like to see his friend circle with Harry Osborn, Gwen Stacey, Flash Thompon, and (the actual/proper) Mary Jane Watson to get introduced into the MCU. It would reinject some semblance of the familiar with these characters, but it would be a great opportunity to do it more like the classic college years of the Amazing Spider-Man comics, which we haven't really seen done in any Spider-Man mumtimedia outside of those comics. It would totally fit in context of the MCU too because Empire State University is basically one of the state colleges in NY in the MU, and Harry/Gwen/Mary Jane didn't really like Peter when they first entered college because he was too much of a loner who would disappear all the time, so they initially misconstrued him to be an aloof jerk who thought he was too good for everyone to make any friends. This is also when Peter and Flash grow up, get over their hostile relationship from high school, and become good friends, something we also haven't really seen in Spider-Man multimedia.
I also heard that Marvel can't use a character that has been in a Sony film. Spiderman has a big gallery of villians, but by now they have used the most notable ones by now. For me, I want to see Black Cat in the next film.
I think this is a perfect opportunity to introduce Black Cat. Felicia is the perfect foil for a Peter Parker on his own, alone and without anyone else to turn to. Especially with how he’ll have to learn the hard way that she can’t be trusted. In addition, you could also introduce Doreen Green (Squirrel Girl) as one of Pete’s classmates. Sets her up for the Avengers film that way, and show they’re still keeping tabs on Spidey.
Elizabeth "Liz" Allan from spiderman homecoming did not get blip-ed and it was hard living out by herself . mum disappeared and dads in jail .. visiting the vulture behind bars he says the only thing i can do to help is tell you about a secret stash of high tech gadgets to use for stealing in that 5 years she trains and becomes 'Black cat'
@@Victor-qx3vxif i was righting the story i would have liz introduse herself to peter as Felicia Hardy. she changed her name to not be associated with a known criminal . because of magic she doesn't know that peter knows her true identity. but peter plays along because the truth would sound crazy! and is still sad about puting her dad in jaill. Felicia would not be on the Vulture side because she is still angry he ruined her family. but would not be enemies as well because of being family.
I'd love to see Jacob Batalon as Hobgoblin in the future. The mask off reveal where Pete knows him but Ned doesn't have a clue who he is could be such a gut punch and raise the stakes for the final act.
Peter at the end of Homecoming: “I’d rather just be a friendly Neighborhood Spiderman, you know?” Every subsequent Spiderman movie: “No, I don’t think you will.”
WHY! WHY MUST SONY TAKE AWAY WHAT WE WANT TO SEE! The last movie ended with Spider-Man returning to basics and being the grounded hero we love to see. I just want to see Peter go through life alone, struggling with relatable problems as a young adult and tackling his own depression, not to mention new characters and villains like Scorpion, Kingpin, Black Cat, Chameleon, Daredevil, etc. Sony already has the Spider-Verse movies; what more do they need?!
@@bikramarora1819Disney was litterally fighting sony to get a street level story but sony won so we get a multitiverse movie thats why it took so long for spiderman 4 to get announced 🤦
@@TypicalPlayer21 Nope. Disney are the ones who want to kill every single one of their properties with multiverse nonsense. Disney are the ones who overindulge in the nostalgia fanservice pandering across all their properties. And most importantly, since the very beginning of the Sony deal, Disney have had 100% creative control of the MCU Spider-Man. Since the very beginning.
@@bikramarora1819 feige litterally HAD ARGUMENT With didney like christ it was litterally said in news article that argument lasted a year , it was confirmed by tom holland that he want a street level movie but sony denied for more mony
@@bikramarora1819 and no disney doesnt have full control of mcu spiderman , it was said recently that villains that appear in the sonyverse cant appear in the mcu ( rhino , kraven , cameleon , and the rest ) disney needs a agreement with Sony for mcu spiderman
When i saw a rumour about "Spiderman 4 story will be connected to the Multiverse" i was really disappointed and mad about it. Like Sony and Marvel Studios, you already had No Way Home. It gets it's success and you get your deserved box-office cash. Why you uses the same trope as it was before. I really hope that rumour was not true but after success of "Deadpool & Wolverine" I don't think we get a street lvl Spider-Man project in the near future...
Yeah studios are super risk averse. No way home was a multiverse movie and made almost 2 billion dollars. They always double on the last most successful thing so I fully expect that to see some universe hopping in the next one.
I'm so fucking tired of the multiverse, but Disney and Marvel love to keep trying to chase that thing that worked for them a few years back until they've beaten that dead horse to a pulp.
I'm less tired of the multiverse and more tired of how it is USED. We aren't getting movies like 'Justice League vs the Crime Syndicate.' We are getting "Look! It's all the Batmen you liked who are still alive along side a CGI duplicate of Adam west!"
@@TypicalPlayer21 The ending of NWH was 100% done because they werent sure about how the deal with Sony was gonna pan out so they needed a reason for him to be erased from memory if they didnt finalize the deal. Not because Marvel wanted to have a street level Spidey. Hes their biggest character after Ironman. They just casted RDJ as Doom for some stupid reason. Marvel 100% dont know wtf they are doing at this point.
@@sdb7092 it did tho, people did want to see him again, its just he has disappeared for the last 3 years while Marvel has put out dozens of other things. Imagine Cap got one movie, then disappeared for 3 years while 2 phases pass.
The problem isn’t the multiverse as a concept, it’s the fact many writers use it as a crutch when they can’t tell an interesting story otherwise. Edit: …somehow a controversial hot take.
It's a fundamentally dumb idea. Alternate timeline stories can be interesting. Singular characters from some other dimension where different things happened can be interesting. But 50 versions of Spider-man or Batman from different universes teaming up is just a bad story filled fluff and nonsense and characters that are just concept art with no personalities.
@@escalatingbarbarism5096 Exactly. Aside from the fact that it gets confusing real fast. Why would I care about the death of a character if there are unlimited versions of that character in other multiverses. It´s also so easy to find flaws in stories when everthing is possible. Example: Why did scarlet witch not choose a universe where her kids and maybe even vision is alive and she died recently in Dr.Strange Multiverse of madness? Because the movie needed to happen.
@@escalatingbarbarism5096 “it’s bad because it’s dumb, and it’s dumb because it’s bad.” Thank you for your intelligent contribution to a concept from genius physicists. You solved world peace.
The thing that makes the Spider Verse movies so great is that it focuses on the characters rather than cameos, this is what we need for the new Spider-Man trilogy
Yesterday, the channel ComicPop Returns published a video "It's hard to read Amazing Spiderman nowadays" and in it, they talk extensively about the editorial and business decisions that have left Spiderman in a rout for a while now, both comics and multimedia. In it, they speculated that the film rights for Spiderman, being Sony's and not Disney's, have resulted in films and stories that have to connect directly to other MCU projects, thus Holland's Peter will have to be involved in whatever multiverse plot they create in phase whatever of the MCU. This would be consistent with how other recent Spiderman focused projects by Disney similarly distance Peter from his actual origins in favor of other Marvel connections, such as Tony being Peter's mentor/sponsor, Ultimate Spiderman is in a Shield/Avengers pilot program, or how in the new show the radioactive spider is spawned by Dr. Strange. This is all to say, I wouldn't bet on a simpler Spiderman film experience going forward in the MCU, until Disney buys it out from Sony or just buys Sony.
Find it funny how we were so excited for Spider-Man to finally be involved in larger than life stories when he joined during Civil War but now we just want the friendly neighborhood guy to come back
Me as Peter Quill: "I like your plan, but it sucks. I should do the plan instead, and that it might be really good." Iron Man and Captain Midnight: ....?😅😅
It'd be cool if the 4th movie was called something like "Spider-Man: Election Day", where Kingpin is elected as the mayor of New York City. This would be a good way to still throw powerful villains at Spider-Man while allowing him to take a break from all of the wild multiverse and space stuff. For most of the movie, he'd just be doing street level stuff and dealing with street level villains. But maybe towards the end, he'd get the symbiote suit and get involved with the Avengers again since this movie will most likely release between Doomsday and Secret Wars.
the recent Ultimate Spider-Man run gives me hope. It still rides on the 'Iron Boy' bs a bit, by making his very first suit be high tech created by Stark, but it treats Spider-Man with respect and... brace yourself... makes him an adult married to MJ and with kids. Who knew character development was actually possible! Even wilder to think fans are hyped about it!
3:16 The problem with the ending of No Way Home that I have, is that there is no Peter Parker, there is only Spider-Man. Cause it’s not the simple case of “his friends not knowing who he is, therefore he is alone”, it’s that the Peter Parker identity was erased from that world. The primary appeal of his dual identity is that he needs to balance between been himself, and been spider-man, but with everything been taken away, there is nothing to stop him from entirely embracing the Spider-Man identity. And let’s not forget, his rogues gallery is practically nonexistent. I mean he’s got what, Vulture (if he’s even still around), Scorpion (least favourite spidey villain btw) and MAYBE Shocker? And they wanna setup a Black Suit story? HOW?!
Scorpion could have been great if they actually hadn’t forgotten about him. But yeah, that’s his entire rogues gallery (minus Mysterio who is dead) right there after an entire trilogy. Quite underwhelming.
I would absolutely love a really stripped down Spiderman where Holland gets to just play a lonely Peter who doesn't have anything but being Spider-Man. Like it's his one outlet in life. And he has to find a way to keep going on, find new friends, and not let Spider-Man consume him while still being a hero
Honestly thats something i really wanted to see. Spider-Man being all that is left for parker should take a heavy toll and genuienly change the c haracter in a different way. Without friends or anyone to help him properly he is being consumed and there could even be a moment of loathing the identity and who knows, maybe upset at others seeing how things went wrong even since Mysterio screwed him over
What I really want to see is for Daredevil to mentor Peter Parker on street-level heroism. And for Peter to really face how much privilege he's relied on in the past, and what it's like to actually struggle for basic things (frankly, the next film is well-set up to be an analogy for life as an undocumented worker). Like how to make web fluid with no budget 😂
Why can't Peter just be spider-man and learn on his own from his own experiences either good or bad, Why does Peter need so many mantors in the first place? It was never something important to the character in the original comics, The whole point of the creation of the character was that he was a young superhero who was not a sidekick and was treated as the main hero
@@Brandon-g6m thats the mcu spiderman we need in the next movie. no mentors, no more team ups in the movies (like iron man, nick fury or doctor strange for example)
We have barely seen this Spider-Man save New York. Technically he did that in Homecoming, but he also went off to DC. He's been in Germany fighting the Avengers, other European locations, he's been to space and fought aliens, and he's even broken the multiverse and teamed up with alternate versions of himself. While all of this is great because we've never seen it in the movies before, it's about time we just have him in New York, doing his best to save the city. Team up with Daredevil, fight Kingpin, and both simultaneously win, but still lose because it's the Kingpin. Have him fight a number of smaller gangsters like Hammerhead, Tombstone, a couple of hired thugs, and have it all link to Kingpin, but then he and Matt can't get the proof they need to link them all to Kingpin in order to get the legal authorities involved. Save all the multiversal crap for the Avengers when he teams up with them, we just need Spider-Man to be normal Spider-Man in New York trying to save the neighborhood in his own movies again.
I was hoping for a street level movie at first but I think mcu Spider-Man writers have made it abundantly clear they don’t understand street level characters or Spider-Man in general. If they did make a street level movie, they’d mess it up and find a way to give Spider-Man more stupid gadgets and technology he never had in the comics when he was mainly on his own. They’d also try to raise the stakes ridiculously high for a street level movie. People will say “no way home made him lose everything and turned him into a street hero so they got to stick with that ending” but forget that homecoming ended with him stating he wants to continue being a street hero for the little guy and rejecting the advanced iron spider suit then in far from home he’s still using the iron spider suit, he’s traveling to Europe, he’s creating suits with futuristic technology on a private jet, and is working with Nick fury and Shield to save London from an army of drones that he was given.
In Homecoming he ended with wanting to be a street level hero, and FFH forced to him to do more since he became an Avenger in IW. NWH ends with Peter forced to be alone and lose all his connections, it's basically a full reset. And since he already wants to be a street level hero cause of Homecoming, now's the time to be one
@@racool911 You forgot the fact that there's a constant pattern of him doing the complete opposite of being street level. Just because an ending promises something doesn't mean it'll be delivered which is something that happened in homecoming and far from home plus mcu spiderman has be a bipolar and flaky character since his appearance.
I thoroughly enjoyed every episode of the Spiderman TAS where it centered around his time at Empire State University. It didnt seem like it was a special school, it just had a breakthrough in there stem program that caught a lot of attention. Peter interacting with Liz, Michael, Dr conners as a professor, there were some solid arcs in that show around the mutagenics lab
As an avid reader and owner of over 120 issues of The Astonishing Spider-Man comics, Street-Level Spider-Man is all that's required. And, at the same time, Spidey is practically the Only NYC hero who literally swings by other heroes domains for quick advice or assistance, so that could also be a ticket seller having a few hero cameos or team-up at the end (not that Spidey ever needs it). I really want a good live-action version of The Shocker & Scorpion. Morbius to have a Blade cameo. An Ant-Man team up.. The possibilities are endless for Spider-Man. Just give Tom Holland something Good to work with because where NWH left off, it's Just where canonically Peter Parker is usually at; run down apartment, no one knows his identity, doesn't have Avengers/Stark tech leg-up, city loves/hates him, in college with a boring job before DB... He could also finally meet Harry Osborne in college.
The Chameleon is a GREAT choice for the movie's villain, but Scorpion is my favorite (aside from Carnage). They already introduced his character played by Michael Mando (an excellent actor), but they didn't give him his suit/powers & I want to see the MCU's version of the tail & acid spray... I know after everyone Spidey has fought so far a guy with a robotic tail that shoots acid seems like a step backwards in intensity but I really do hope he at least gets his suit/tail in the movie even if he isn't a main bad guy
They could do both. Have Chameleon pulling the strings to orchestrate a fight between Scorpion and Spidey. The same way he did in the “Kraven’s First Hunt” comic.
@@Victor-qx3vx That'd be GREAT! Chameleon is kinda slept on for a big bad & I just really want the MCU to do justice to Michael Mando's Scorpion! I really think there's potential gold with either or both these villains!
The montage in Spider-Man one, after Peter graduates high school and he’s doing lots of crime fighting and the city talks about their experience with Spider-Man should be the basis for the 4th Tom Holland film. He’s a young man now in his early 20s. Make it grounded. Give him his personality which Tom Holland Peter lacks. Make it fun. Bring in Daredevil, Punisher & Kingpin. Take a break from MJ (bring her and Ned back in 5) and introduce Black Cat. Bring Scorpion back for Revenge. They have it all right there. Then, Ope post Credits scene we are in battle world now leading into Doom/Secret Wars
The multiverse is only a fun and exciting subversion when it _is_ a subversion, not the norm. When complete chaos isn’t just for special occasions, it becomes fatiguing and numb.
I think they could do something with Fisk weaving a web around Peter as he tries to reinvent himself in this next phase of his life and MCU as a whole. Maybe start out, Peter’s Spider-man-ing while trying to navigate college and living on his own without a support network. Bring in Black Cat who’s an alluring new landing zone for Peter but is working for Fisk, MJ as the Beetle who’s hunting Spider-man both for Fisk and herself per her “I’ll find you” at the end of No Way Home, and Ned as the tech support take on the Hobgoblin. Fisk would represent what Peter wants, assuredness in what he wants, who he is, and professionally successful and respected, but he has qualities Peter must resist such as a low tolerance for frustration, anger issues, and a need to control those around him to reassure his own sense of safety
Here’s my prediction,after Secret Wars once everything is rebooted we will a comic accurate spider man setting in the MCU,which means a Harry Osborn,Norman Osborn,Venom,Mary Jane Watson,Gwen Stacy,Kraven,Oscorpe and many more will exist in the Mcu. And Marvel can introduce Miles Morales and Tom Holland can play the mentor role.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us! Spider-Man is still my favorite superhero ever, and I agree with you about how they should make him more relatable again and how we should get a more street-level plot, and it should be fun and light-hearted. I would be down to see some new friends, too. It would be very rewarding to see other people from the extended Spider-man story cast, and a different version of Harry Osborne could also be interesting. Plus, I would love to see if they could do something similar to the 90s cartoon and set up how Kingpin first makes Spider-man his friend, and then he learns the truth about him through investigation. I love that plotline, and I think it's worth exploring again.
It’s incredibly disappointing that the mcu doesn’t use the concept of a multiverse to tell creative and experimental stories but just as a lazy excuse for cheap cameo applause. I really feel like the mcu is rotting the image of marvel comics characters at this point
@@TypicalPlayer21 ah yes Marvel Studios who have done nothing wrong in their time with movies ever lol, they're both money hungry studios no one is more to blame
They REALLY need to do a street level movie for Spidey. The multiverse stuff needs to be a "once in a while" type of thing. No way home left things in a great spot for Pete to really get back to his roots. Not taking advantage of that would be a BIG mistake.
The multiverse as a whole makes it difficult to take any action, character death, or change seriously. It's like nothing has consequences so it's tough to feel any real emotion towards it coz you know it will be undone
A lower level introspective Spider-Man story with Kingpin and maybe Scorpion as his main weapon against Spider-Man would be the ideal scenario to me, maybe even throw Black Cat or Daredevil in there then maybe the likes of Chameleon, Tombstone and Maybe even Hobgoblin show up in later instalments. You could have Spider-Man defeat the Scorpion but Kingpin is still active by the end, that's often the case with their encounters in the comics and having Holland's Spider-Man have to deal with the fact that he's now facing situations that won't have clean clear cut solutions would fit. His arc should be something along the lines of him beginning at a low point but by the end he embraces the new status quo; his life is harder now than it was before but he still finds the strength to power through by the end.
Why? We've already had two previous Spiderman series that dealt with a street-level Spiderman. Why not actually build on what actually made the MCU Spiderman unique? It doesn't have to be more Multiverse but just retreating back to "basics" feels creatively bankrupt. There's more to be done with the character then drag him into the Multiverse or have him go back to fighting street toughs... right?
@SuperPal-tr3go Spider-man at his core is street level. Going back to street level would be a very natural progression to from No way home. Especially with how much they set up for that way, for example they set up Scorpion, Vulture creating his own sinister 6, and now the symbiote is in the MCU.
@@Raccon_Detective.That’s not that encouraging to me tbh. They should’ve set up Scorpion coercing Vulture into joining the Sinister Six (alongside Mysterio, Shocker -maybe Chameleon was there all along - + 1) and revealing Spidey’s identity. That’d put Toomes in a complicated situation in which he only cares for his daughter’s safety and it’s always planning and calculating whether it’s better to help Peter defeat the villains or the other way around. But Mysterio is dead, Toomes had his memory of Peter Parker wiped and Scorpion is forgotten. Not to mention Far From Home’s end pretty much ruins this whole idea on its own.
@@SuperPal-tr3goI wouldn’t call back to basic street level stuff “creatively bankrupt”. That’s where most of the opportunities are. Just look at the comics and cartoons there are so much of it that relies on street level stuff and it never feels tiresome. Because that’s exactly what Spider-Man does. The potential for street level adventures and the ways to tell them without feeling all just the same are limitless.
@@Victor-qx3vx I still see it as a retreat from what made this version of Spiderman unique that's made worse by the fact that we've already done different versions of "street-level" Spiderman already in film form in the not to recent past.
They could give us a few Holland and Garfield street level movies. A mature Spider Man movie with Tobey dealing with loss and mental issues after being Spider Man for so long. And a mini Avengers like team up when a bigger threat emerges.
I just have no hope in Marvel/Sony doing the right thing here. I think people really want a more grounded Spiderman movie, but who knows if we'll get that.
The real question im wondering, is not if we will get that but rather if by the time it happens it wont be too late and the superhero genre is not in a good possition anymore
after Into the Spider-Verse and Everything Everywhere All At Once, I think I’ve seen all I need to see from multiverses in cinema. Most multiverse shenanigans post those movies have just felt redundant or like a crutch for lazy storytelling/easy cameos.
@@captainmidnight Haha no worries man. You’re not missing out on much, but there are definitely some really good storylines and characters from the past decade so I recommend you give it a watch.
Having Spidey vs Kingpin is a good way of bringing back a Scorpion or introducing Chameleon. With the big bad being a big man in a suit, giving his main henchman the super villain shtick works wonders. In many ways those main henchman roles could be the most interesting villain characters, especially if you have Spidey connect with them over the shard pressures of working class existence. Spidey can fight the Kingpin and try to redeem his costumed foot soldiers who are ultimately just poor people like him who got exploited by a powerful man. I mean shit, that could make Spidey realise how Stark exploited him as a kid, not to necessarily demonise Stark but at least have Spidey reckon with something that is actually quite a bit fucked up from his childhood. That might be expecting way too much from Sony or Marvel though, they seem averse to any kind of real working class representation in their movies and shows, even for their characters it makes the most sense for. Either it's ignored or just straight up erased. I dunno, Spider-Man 2 is still the closest to a perfect Spider-man movie to me and the further we get from it, the less likely I feel we're ever going to experience it's like again.
One problem I have is that Spider-Man is too powerful for that "street style" thing. I mean, he can easily lift over 10 tons...he can easily beat the Kingpin, a human, with one punch.
Yes but he's not invincible, and 10 tons isn't all that much, especially since he has a lot of tricky villains. Plus Kingpin isn't all about physical strength, his high status means Spidey can't normally just go and punch him.
Kingpin isn’t a physical villain. His power is his wealth and his crime empire. He could hire other villains like Scorpion to do the fighting for him. Also it’s worth noting that Kingpin has superhuman strength of his own (his “fat” is actually muscle) though not on a Spider Man level.
He can easily but he never does it. That’s not who he is. I can remember of only one story in which he beats Fisk to a pulp and it was because he had all of his buttons pressed.
Kingpin isn't a threat merely due of physical stenght touhgh the guy isnt a pushover, but due of how he controls the criminal underworld and it's perception. Not all villains have to be ultra powerful dimentional eaters to be a genuine threat for a hero
People are obsessed with all the cameos and nostalgia bait it seems. So its proven to be extremely financially lucrative for Marvel. Thus, they don't have much incentive to go back to street level stuff.
The MCU already introduced Scorpion in Homecoming, now seems like a pretty good time to use him. He's a villain with no connection to Peter Parker, Spider-Man is still considered a menace to society, JJJ is now a part of the story, you could use Kingpin to bankroll it if you had to include him. They have everything needed.
Thats literally the blueprint for an amazing 4th installment of this franchise. I've been saying it for months. All you need is depressed street level spider-man going up against Kingpin who uses Scorpion as a henchmen and then if you wanna include Daredevil and Punisher you can because it would make sense. Best of both worlds for everybody AND a good story. but sony won't do that will they 💀
@AmusedCoffee-ym3gb WHY was mysterio the villain for the second film, like they have Mac Gargan who wants to find out Peter's identity. Have Spider-Man and Scorpion fight the whole movie until a similar climax where Scorpions beat and his last ditch effort is to reveal Peters identity. You can have the same set up for a third film still with a better sorry and a villain that makes more sense.
Yes! This is what I've been hoping for the next trilogy. A new cast would be amazing, too, and I hope they don't redo the No Way Home ending. Not sure who they'll get for the villain since I would want scorpion to finally show up, or they can also have him confront Kingpin and maybe have Daredevil as well.
If I recall right, at the end of NWH one of the bones Peter has is literally 'how to get your GED' so I think something more grounded is on the cards if they follow up on that rather than soft rebooting.
"Cameo dispenser" is a great way to put it. Marvel has been all about that for so long that I for what it is like to have character development in one of their movies.
I can’t wait for the countless video essays about how the next spiderman is going to flop, culminating in the film releasing, inevitably making a billion dollars, and the same people praising the movie for being a return to form for MCU
We got six “street level” spider man movies and another where the multiverse was only tangentially related (Far From Home). I like seeing these recent movies where we see a young Peter grappling with a much larger world. A world with other superheroes. I guess I don’t see the need to rehash the street level stuff that was done so well in the Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield movies and Homecoming already.
I think the idea should be a balance. Not to pretend other heroes dont happen but at the same time not reying on multiversal plots or larger than life deals. Perhaps other street level threats or villains not as much used could work
Remember Insomniac Spider-Man fighting Doc Ock? His mentor. The weight of that moment. His naivety of still seeing the good in someone. This wasn’t a threat to the universe or the planet. But it just felt so heavy. I don’t need something to matter to everyone everywhere ever. I mean imagine Ned does become evil not having Peter. You don’t need to have him blowing up the planet. Just have Peter pulling his punches because he doesn’t want to hurt his friend.
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What do you want to see in the next MCU Spider-Man?
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A great movie
Venom.
i think you 100% right. And this would be the best version of resetting a character. Remember how they always make established characters weak and stupid (basically all old team from original SW for example)? They need to have conflict in these guys. And here we see a natural progression, with natural results of previous events. Its not about making the movie dark and gloomy. its about fight with new reality. I hope someone from the studio will watch your video and try to make the original movie. Marvel really needs it.
I want a street level movie.
I'm in full agreement
I love the idea of Peter Parker going to a community college 😂
Greendale Community College?
Troy kind of inspired The Miles Morales spiderman, so it would be a full circle if Peter when there
Was going to make the same comment.
you're speaking my changuage!!!
YES THAT'S WHAT IM THINKING OF
I just want a street-level Spidey story. That's all i want.
Spider-Man teams up with DareDevil, in an epic fight against the Kingpin!
Seconded.
@@ZetirixYou can also have black cat too.
Spider-Man is not a Daredevil style.
You literally already got that twice lol. Five movies worth.
Studios: Did you say double down on the multiverse? You got it.
#IBlameAviArad
@@Zombiesnyder13I agree
Sony*
They need to build up NYC more. It's been a problem with the MCU the past decade. Everything feels like set pieces and not lived in worlds. Compare to Raimi Spidey where New Yorkers were helping Peter out and he was busting his ass delivering pizzas. We need that atmosphere again
Avengers 2012 was the last time New York felt like a lived-in place with living breathing human beings. Since then it’s just been a sterile, soulless sandbox for superheros to exist and fight. The MCU’s world building is so dogshit.
I partially agree but I also think the MCU spidey movies have some great NYC moments, especially in the first one-peter’s relationship with the sandwich shop, “do a flip” guy, the lady who gives the churro, the ferry scene, etc. the problem is that these things get overshadowed instead of prioritised. spider-man is all about his relationships with the people of NYC and the city itself. MCU spidey has shown hints of this, they just need to expand on it
A supporting cast with some genuine pathos and struggles of their own might help. They clearly had no idea what to do with Marissa Tomei as Aunt May and Ned was just "awkward offbrand ganke." Heck I may have issues with how the MJ in the Raimi films was written but I can at least tell you more about her character and backstory than Michelle Jones.
@@thatpeskyrathonestly, none of those scenes felt like it mattered to the character. Just kind of one offs, mostly jokes. That's not creating an atmosphere.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lpi have to agree compared to the Raimi nyc people these people just felt like one off jokes or a poor attempt at building a world. All the random people in Raimi’s NYC just seemed like random everyday people getting caught in a situation that required spiderman. Nothing will ever top the bridge scene from spiderman 1 with the “YOU MESS WITH ONE OF US YOU MESS WITH ALL OF US!.” Line and the famous train scene when the kid tells peter who is unmasked “don’t worry we won’t tell anyone.”
Now that nobody knows who Peter is and he lost his Stark tech it’s perfect to make him a Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man
The irony that he said he was gonna be just a friendly neighborhood Spiderman in Homecoming, only for him to fight Thanos in his very next appearance with Infinity War and then as far as he knew save the multiverse in Far From Home. Then again in No way home.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lpAccording to the leaked script for Kang Dynasty, he was also supposed to be basically the main character in that movie. Once again basically just bringing him right back to the multiverse stuff after the ending of No Way Home. Sounds to me like Marvel is falling back on Spider-Man again, which is really sad. For decades Spiderman was the only profitable character beyond the X-Men. Nobody cared about Iron Man and Thor and all them until the MCU
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Yeah, that’s probably the biggest problem with Homecoming. Peter’s entire character arc in that film was about learning how he doesn’t need to rely on Stark technology inorder to be a good hero, something he proves at the end of the film. The problem is that right after he proves that… he is immediately given back his Stark technology which kind of defeats the point. It’s as if they wanted to make Peter seem more independent but also didn’t want to get rid of all his cool gadgets because of how the MCU has this aversion to street level heroes. Just look at Moon Knight who was given magical Egyptian based powers when he was basically just like Batman in the original comics. It really feels as if the MCU struggled with figuring out who exactly Spider-Man should be, until No Way Home, in the films because he honestly felt more like Ironman’s sidekick than his own hero a lot of the time. I’m glad that No Way Home seems to suggest that Spider-Man will being going back to his street based roots but it really feels like No Way Home rectified something that Peter should’ve learned way before the events of the film. He should’ve tossed away the Stark technology at the end of Homecoming and he should’ve learned the Great Power equals Great Responsibility from Ben.
Tom Holland isn't spider-man anymore. He already got replaced but an actor they haven't announced yet.
@AmusedCoffee-ym3gb nah, they've been waiting to replace him Miles for years now. Gonna replace him like the other Avengers. I doubt we're gonna get any good Spiderman films. Probably just gonna be set up for Miles. They don't care anymore.
I feel like Peter at a Community College would be the perfect time to introduce Harry and possibly Gwen.
Honestly they should have a spiderman film first that emphasize on his new cast of college students first such as gwen, harry, and possibly flash thompson if theyre going for the fourth film rather than something big like wilson fisk or norman osborn. The old cast of characters prior to nwh was kind of lame and uninteresting
I think that as well
@@spider-man5544The kingpin fight will most likely be built up and be the last film of the trilogy yeah
It won't, but you can wish it @@Fanimei
@@alwaysxnever It will 🗣️🗣️ D’Onofrio already confirmed that his character’s last goal is to fight Spiderman.
Remember when superheroes fought crime? Onscreen?
No in the MCU.
I still miss when they SAVED LIVES on screen. That's why I liked the ending of the Batman so much.
Stopping genocidal maniacs from destroying planets or universes isn’t saving lives?
@@galactic85definitely. For such a grimdark take, it did better than even the Nolan films at actually showing how Batman is a symbol of hope in his own way. Movies like the Nolan films might be better films overall, but the idea of Batman as a symbol of hope was much more abstract. The Batman did a slightly better job at following "show, don't tell."
C'mon we all know that Spider-Man's best interests are the legacy and assets of a billionaire /s
Tom Holland Spiderman would fall so hard for comic book Norman Osborne if he found himself in the world of the comic. Megalomaniac tech CEOs are his favourite thing ♥️
Spiderverse movies are an example of Multiverse movies done right and executed well, and honestly I think Spiderverse should just be its own thing and not shoved everywhere else
I saw the first spiderverse movie after it released digitally, I was so upset at how good it was because I wrote it off initially.
@@ZetirixI legit thought it was gonna be fan service movie only. Turns out these are probably/arguably best spider men movies out there.
yes but even then they had to ruin Miguel for some reason. He's a great version of Spider-Man and now the normies think he's evil. Just... why??
He's going to end up a good guy. Miles will end up liking him because he wears a cape. Peter will side with Miles because 2099 wears a cape. So everyone will get along full circle.@@Yarblocosifilitico
The best Spider-Man movies imo
The Multiverse works well as a concept whe used sparingly. It dilutes stakes when you overuse it. It's fun to have a team of different Spider-Men for a one off, but not a series
From wat I understand, Feige and Marvel Studios intended for their Spider-Man 4 to be a more grounded, street level story. But Sony kept insisting on a second multiverse story for the plot just because of how well No Way Home and Across the Spider-Verse did. So u got one side trying to take a creative pivot based on how NWH ended, while the other is simply tryna make more money despite the law of diminishing returns.
What if we never get a street level spider film again?
See I was kinda excited for the fact the MCU spiderman was so different. I liked the Iron Spider direction because it was a different take that made sense. They had to jump through so many hoops to remove it when they had a perfectly good just different spiderman story.
We won’t. The audience will keep paying to watch cameos and legacy characters instead of showing Disney they want great storytelling.
@@NoirNameless That implies No Way Home wasn't good story telling. To which, sir, I respectfully disagree. It wasn't perfect, but it was good.
@@ZetirixMost of mcu’s multiverse stories aren’t No Way Home, and still make a billion though. That’s what I’m saying. It doesn’t have to be good. 😒
@@NoirNamelessHuh? The last three Spiderman movies were awesome. If you've read the comics you would know that there were often cameos by other heroes/villains/characters. I'm very excited Spidey is finally involved with the extended Marvel universe.
Just a simple story about Peter having to balance school or work with fighting one (ONE, JUST ONE) villain. No Avengers crap. No trips to Europe. No multi-verse. No half-assed attempt at a Sinister Six.
And no, it should not be Venom.
Go watch the original Spiderman films then. Or the Amazing Spiderman films.
@@SuperPal-tr3go I watch the Raimi movies all the time. Have fun with Venom 3 or whatever, loser.
@@SuperPal-tr3go "Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity: it's called Xbox 360."
Bruh we’ve had already, you taking this multiverse spider man movie for granted, you acting like we’re not going to get a movie you expect in the next upcoming spider man films
@@starwyd1798 We aren't. Tom Holland will be over 30 by the time the next Spider-man movie comes out, and a lot of it will be a set for the next Avengers. They wasted too much time. He'll probably retire from the role by the year 2030. It will start all over again.
They're setting up Kingpin to be a major player in the MCU going foward and he won't be a villain in Spider-man's movie? That's a huge missed opportunity.
Kingpin was the main villain of Into the SpiderVerse.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudiosin one movie that also isn’t MCU
Who you talking to buddy...? And what are you talking about exactly? Why are you addressing a premise no one ever mentioned?
I was talking to ZacharyMccoy7091. The guy who’s shocked that Kingpin’s not a villain in a Spider-Man movie.
It’s a risky move, since SONY might claim ownership of the character, putting a rusty wrench on Disney’s plans for him.
All I know is if I don’t see Spider-Man fight big wheel I don’t want it 🙅♂️
Or the wall.
@@Raccon_Detective. Exactly. Anything but Spidey vs The Wall is garbage.
(joking, ofc. But, tbf, we do need to go back to lower stakes and classic villains)
Big Wheel is the heart of Spiderman
@@12345langham
Facts.
El corazón es el muerto hace mucho no tenemos información de la película@@12345langham
For real. There’s a few good multiverse movies, but it’s gotten so tired when it’s just a tool for nostalgia
Tiresome*
But you got a point.
Really? Cause many people such as myself love Deadpool and Wolverine even though it’s a multiverse movie.
@@MarioSonicBee yeah it’s doing well and is well liked, but I feel like the love will die down in the future honestly. It was fun, but the story was so weak.
Agree. Give me Kingpin and DD team up
Hell yeah!!!
Yes, but after secret wars, it wouldn’t fit well with the bigger story
I'm gonna be blunt I'm fucking stick of the team ups for Spider-man in his solo films
It makes no sense how Kingpin is a Spider-Man villian. He needs to STAY a Daredevil villain. Kingpin is just a really, really strong human. I don’t get how he’s able to compete with Spider-Man who is superhuman.
@@spacedude1145 lol he is a classic Spiderman villain. Always has been. And it does make sense. He operates in New York and Spidey does so too.
The multiverse is both the best and worse thing to happen to Spiderman.
Agreed!
In my book the worst still is the cancellation of the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon.
It wasn’t worth it to have Spidey join marvel after all.
It’s more bad than good.
@@spacedude1145I don't have a problem with the idea of Spider-Man being connected to "the Web of Destiny" across the multiverse or whatever, or even with the idea of him being a borderline magical spider totem, but these things are best used on the periphery of Spider-Man's adventures that only pop up on special occasions, not the norm.
@@HoodedSpideywe need black cat and Gwen Stacey and Harry 😭
Given how Marvel just made a big deal out of RDJ coming back as Doctor Doom, any hope I had for the MCU to not keep going through the same bits forever is long gone by now.
At the end of NWH one of the books he was reading was about studying for the GED
So his school records and stuff were erased? Why wouldnt it just erase peoples memory, not his records? What about his social security? His birth certificate? LOL. Does he even exist? How does he even go to college or get a license if he has no records of anything? Hes an illegal immigrant? 😂😂😂
@@Necksteppa77 I would think that it would all exist still. As records and memories, though similar, are different. Like a memory can exist without someone remembering it.
@@scottmackenzie2449 Yea, im thinking that too, but he has books studying for his GED at the end of NWH. So he didnt get his diploma, and its implying none of his school records exist, thats why im confused.
@@Necksteppa77 did spider man graduate high school in the movies?
@@scottmackenzie2449 I assume so. Theres no reason he wouldnt, if the records exist. Thats what im saying.
The multiverse is just a narrative tool like magic or time travel. You can tell plenty of good stories with them... but only if you have a good story already.
That’s the thing though: comic writers usually do. But most casual viewers aren’t mega comics readers and have only grasped the multiverse through Spider-Verse, CW Crisis and all the new films. So the cultural perception is that of giant studios bringing back old franchise stars/scenes for nostalgia value. And that’s not usually the case in these comic stories.
@@benwasserman8223 eh I'm not sure about now, there's tons of Spiderverse comic stories that just exist to bring in variants of Spider-Man for fanservice, but the comics do tend to do multiverse stories better. My favorites are Captain Britains multiverse arcs and COIE.
Yeah, I'd hate if the only reason Zendaya is used over and over in these films is due to her and Tom being together IRL. I think it takes away from the nature of Spidey which is, Parker can't seem to catch a break in or out of costume. However, he has more baddies in his female lineup than he does in his rogues gallery😂
Agreed. This would be a perfect time to introduce Black Cat since she always preferred him as Spider-Man. What better time than now when Spider-Man is all he has left of his old life? I'd also like to see his friend circle with Harry Osborn, Gwen Stacey, Flash Thompon, and (the actual/proper) Mary Jane Watson to get introduced into the MCU. It would reinject some semblance of the familiar with these characters, but it would be a great opportunity to do it more like the classic college years of the Amazing Spider-Man comics, which we haven't really seen done in any Spider-Man mumtimedia outside of those comics. It would totally fit in context of the MCU too because Empire State University is basically one of the state colleges in NY in the MU, and Harry/Gwen/Mary Jane didn't really like Peter when they first entered college because he was too much of a loner who would disappear all the time, so they initially misconstrued him to be an aloof jerk who thought he was too good for everyone to make any friends. This is also when Peter and Flash grow up, get over their hostile relationship from high school, and become good friends, something we also haven't really seen in Spider-Man multimedia.
I could care less about her character she’s boring i want Felicia
It's worth noting that Chameleon is a character in Kraven the Hunter, so I doubt another version of him would be in the next Spider-Man
I also heard that Marvel can't use a character that has been in a Sony film. Spiderman has a big gallery of villians, but by now they have used the most notable ones by now. For me, I want to see Black Cat in the next film.
#IBlameAviArad
@@Coolcoolcooldudedamn bro, mcu spider-man 5 is gonna be him vs big wheel
That sucks. Chameleon is an underrated villain. I remember he was Spider-Man’s first real villain in Amazing Spider-Man #1.
Thumbnail should’ve been “Back to Formula” 😂
I think this is a perfect opportunity to introduce Black Cat. Felicia is the perfect foil for a Peter Parker on his own, alone and without anyone else to turn to. Especially with how he’ll have to learn the hard way that she can’t be trusted.
In addition, you could also introduce Doreen Green (Squirrel Girl) as one of Pete’s classmates. Sets her up for the Avengers film that way, and show they’re still keeping tabs on Spidey.
Yess black cat.
Elizabeth "Liz" Allan from spiderman homecoming did not get blip-ed and it was hard living out by herself . mum disappeared and dads in jail .. visiting the vulture behind bars he says the only thing i can do to help is tell you about a secret stash of high tech gadgets to use for stealing in that 5 years she trains and becomes 'Black cat'
@@armourosbut what about Felicia Hardy?
Idk, I prefer Liz being a moral break for the Vulture than joining his side.
@@Victor-qx3vxif i was righting the story i would have liz introduse herself to peter as Felicia Hardy. she changed her name to not be associated with a known criminal . because of magic she doesn't know that peter knows her true identity. but peter plays along because the truth would sound crazy! and is still sad about puting her dad in jaill. Felicia would not be on the Vulture side because she is still angry he ruined her family. but would not be enemies as well because of being family.
@@armourosI like that!
I'd love to see Jacob Batalon as Hobgoblin in the future. The mask off reveal where Pete knows him but Ned doesn't have a clue who he is could be such a gut punch and raise the stakes for the final act.
"Should be the norm" - cuts to footage that shows green goblin's mask. I see you dude
Peter at the end of Homecoming: “I’d rather just be a friendly Neighborhood Spiderman, you know?”
Every subsequent Spiderman movie: “No, I don’t think you will.”
The reset from NWH was always going to be half-baked because they were never actually gonna separate Peter from MJ for good.
its obvious they weren't though like from that coffee scene alone their is something lingering there to be explored
I am so tired of MCU MJ she’s so boring i just want Black Cat to be Peter’s next love
Captain midnight is high top films if he wasn’t dramatic and overly pretentious, love you bro
WHY! WHY MUST SONY TAKE AWAY WHAT WE WANT TO SEE!
The last movie ended with Spider-Man returning to basics and being the grounded hero we love to see. I just want to see Peter go through life alone, struggling with relatable problems as a young adult and tackling his own depression, not to mention new characters and villains like Scorpion, Kingpin, Black Cat, Chameleon, Daredevil, etc.
Sony already has the Spider-Verse movies; what more do they need?!
Disney are the ones with complete creative control of MCU Spider-Man. You're blaming the wrong company, shill.
@@bikramarora1819Disney was litterally fighting sony to get a street level story but sony won so we get a multitiverse movie thats why it took so long for spiderman 4 to get announced 🤦
@@TypicalPlayer21 Nope. Disney are the ones who want to kill every single one of their properties with multiverse nonsense. Disney are the ones who overindulge in the nostalgia fanservice pandering across all their properties.
And most importantly, since the very beginning of the Sony deal, Disney have had 100% creative control of the MCU Spider-Man. Since the very beginning.
@@bikramarora1819 feige litterally HAD ARGUMENT With didney like christ it was litterally said in news article that argument lasted a year , it was confirmed by tom holland that he want a street level movie but sony denied for more mony
@@bikramarora1819 and no disney doesnt have full control of mcu spiderman , it was said recently that villains that appear in the sonyverse cant appear in the mcu ( rhino , kraven , cameleon , and the rest ) disney needs a agreement with Sony for mcu spiderman
1:40 - "Should be the norm" while the shot sits on Normans helmet. Noice.
You beat me to it 😂
When i saw a rumour about "Spiderman 4 story will be connected to the Multiverse" i was really disappointed and mad about it. Like Sony and Marvel Studios, you already had No Way Home. It gets it's success and you get your deserved box-office cash. Why you uses the same trope as it was before. I really hope that rumour was not true but after success of "Deadpool & Wolverine" I don't think we get a street lvl Spider-Man project in the near future...
Yeah studios are super risk averse. No way home was a multiverse movie and made almost 2 billion dollars. They always double on the last most successful thing so I fully expect that to see some universe hopping in the next one.
Maybe if Daredevil Born Again gets some love they might go that direction
Ending of NWH shows a GED book in Peter's box.
I'm so fucking tired of the multiverse, but Disney and Marvel love to keep trying to chase that thing that worked for them a few years back until they've beaten that dead horse to a pulp.
Its sony decision not marvel , marvel wanted it to be street level but dont won so We have multiverse
@@TypicalPlayer21Disney have 100% creative control of MCU Spider-Man. They’ve had it since the very beginning.
I'm less tired of the multiverse and more tired of how it is USED. We aren't getting movies like 'Justice League vs the Crime Syndicate.' We are getting "Look! It's all the Batmen you liked who are still alive along side a CGI duplicate of Adam west!"
As long as fans pay money to go see the films, Disney will continue to make those types of movies.
@@TypicalPlayer21 The ending of NWH was 100% done because they werent sure about how the deal with Sony was gonna pan out so they needed a reason for him to be erased from memory if they didnt finalize the deal. Not because Marvel wanted to have a street level Spidey. Hes their biggest character after Ironman. They just casted RDJ as Doom for some stupid reason. Marvel 100% dont know wtf they are doing at this point.
fan service is all the MCU has left. Their introduction of new characters except maybe Shang Chi has floundered
And even then. Shang Chi was a very forgettable character.
Not really, Yelena and Kate Bishop and Shang Chi and Shuri as BP all did great.
@@sdb7092 I wouldn't say he's forgettable much as he's literally just not appeared anywhere else, so he fell out of public conscious.
@@ProjektTaku
Thats what forgettable means, his movie didn't leave a long-lasting impact to where you have people clamoring to see him again.
@@sdb7092 it did tho, people did want to see him again, its just he has disappeared for the last 3 years while Marvel has put out dozens of other things. Imagine Cap got one movie, then disappeared for 3 years while 2 phases pass.
The problem isn’t the multiverse as a concept, it’s the fact many writers use it as a crutch when they can’t tell an interesting story otherwise.
Edit: …somehow a controversial hot take.
Good take I think
It's a fundamentally dumb idea. Alternate timeline stories can be interesting. Singular characters from some other dimension where different things happened can be interesting. But 50 versions of Spider-man or Batman from different universes teaming up is just a bad story filled fluff and nonsense and characters that are just concept art with no personalities.
#IBlameAviArad
@@escalatingbarbarism5096 Exactly. Aside from the fact that it gets confusing real fast. Why would I care about the death of a character if there are unlimited versions of that character in other multiverses. It´s also so easy to find flaws in stories when everthing is possible. Example: Why did scarlet witch not choose a universe where her kids and maybe even vision is alive and she died recently in Dr.Strange Multiverse of madness? Because the movie needed to happen.
@@escalatingbarbarism5096 “it’s bad because it’s dumb, and it’s dumb because it’s bad.” Thank you for your intelligent contribution to a concept from genius physicists. You solved world peace.
Back to basics? I think you meant "back to formula". Come on Midnight the low hanging fruit is right there!
Entire movie will be about him trying to reconnect Ned and MJ again
7:02 - he’s a supporting character in Kraven, I believe
The thing that makes the Spider Verse movies so great is that it focuses on the characters rather than cameos, this is what we need for the new Spider-Man trilogy
Yesterday, the channel ComicPop Returns published a video "It's hard to read Amazing Spiderman nowadays" and in it, they talk extensively about the editorial and business decisions that have left Spiderman in a rout for a while now, both comics and multimedia.
In it, they speculated that the film rights for Spiderman, being Sony's and not Disney's, have resulted in films and stories that have to connect directly to other MCU projects, thus Holland's Peter will have to be involved in whatever multiverse plot they create in phase whatever of the MCU. This would be consistent with how other recent Spiderman focused projects by Disney similarly distance Peter from his actual origins in favor of other Marvel connections, such as Tony being Peter's mentor/sponsor, Ultimate Spiderman is in a Shield/Avengers pilot program, or how in the new show the radioactive spider is spawned by Dr. Strange.
This is all to say, I wouldn't bet on a simpler Spiderman film experience going forward in the MCU, until Disney buys it out from Sony or just buys Sony.
Unfortunately, I'm doubtful that Disney has and/or will have the money to spare on buying Sony at any point down the line.
Find it funny how we were so excited for Spider-Man to finally be involved in larger than life stories when he joined during Civil War but now we just want the friendly neighborhood guy to come back
Well, we had our fun with the larger than life plans but overusing somehting is always a problem.
Me as Peter Quill:
"I like your plan, but it sucks. I should do the plan instead, and that it might be really good."
Iron Man and Captain Midnight: ....?😅😅
A) Stop doing the multiverse.
B) stop putting Peter in high school.
C) stop making Holland the face of the autistic 12 year old Peter Parker for nearly TEN YEARS NOW its getting ridiculous
It'd be cool if the 4th movie was called something like "Spider-Man: Election Day", where Kingpin is elected as the mayor of New York City. This would be a good way to still throw powerful villains at Spider-Man while allowing him to take a break from all of the wild multiverse and space stuff. For most of the movie, he'd just be doing street level stuff and dealing with street level villains. But maybe towards the end, he'd get the symbiote suit and get involved with the Avengers again since this movie will most likely release between Doomsday and Secret Wars.
the recent Ultimate Spider-Man run gives me hope. It still rides on the 'Iron Boy' bs a bit, by making his very first suit be high tech created by Stark, but it treats Spider-Man with respect and... brace yourself... makes him an adult married to MJ and with kids.
Who knew character development was actually possible! Even wilder to think fans are hyped about it!
Just give me Spider-man fighting his villains by himself again. Back to basics approach
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The problem with the ending of No Way Home that I have, is that there is no Peter Parker, there is only Spider-Man. Cause it’s not the simple case of “his friends not knowing who he is, therefore he is alone”, it’s that the Peter Parker identity was erased from that world. The primary appeal of his dual identity is that he needs to balance between been himself, and been spider-man, but with everything been taken away, there is nothing to stop him from entirely embracing the Spider-Man identity.
And let’s not forget, his rogues gallery is practically nonexistent. I mean he’s got what, Vulture (if he’s even still around), Scorpion (least favourite spidey villain btw) and MAYBE Shocker? And they wanna setup a Black Suit story? HOW?!
Scorpion could have been great if they actually hadn’t forgotten about him.
But yeah, that’s his entire rogues gallery (minus Mysterio who is dead) right there after an entire trilogy.
Quite underwhelming.
I would absolutely love a really stripped down Spiderman where Holland gets to just play a lonely Peter who doesn't have anything but being Spider-Man. Like it's his one outlet in life. And he has to find a way to keep going on, find new friends, and not let Spider-Man consume him while still being a hero
Honestly thats something i really wanted to see. Spider-Man being all that is left for parker should take a heavy toll and genuienly change the c haracter in a different way. Without friends or anyone to help him properly he is being consumed and there could even be a moment of loathing the identity and who knows, maybe upset at others seeing how things went wrong even since Mysterio screwed him over
What I really want to see is for Daredevil to mentor Peter Parker on street-level heroism. And for Peter to really face how much privilege he's relied on in the past, and what it's like to actually struggle for basic things (frankly, the next film is well-set up to be an analogy for life as an undocumented worker). Like how to make web fluid with no budget 😂
Peter literally did all this stuff while broke though. Why would it be any different now.
Why can't Peter just be spider-man and learn on his own from his own experiences either good or bad, Why does Peter need so many mantors in the first place? It was never something important to the character in the original comics, The whole point of the creation of the character was that he was a young superhero who was not a sidekick and was treated as the main hero
Nah he doesn’t need anymore mentors
@@Brandon-g6m thats the mcu spiderman we need in the next movie. no mentors, no more team ups in the movies (like iron man, nick fury or doctor strange for example)
We have barely seen this Spider-Man save New York. Technically he did that in Homecoming, but he also went off to DC. He's been in Germany fighting the Avengers, other European locations, he's been to space and fought aliens, and he's even broken the multiverse and teamed up with alternate versions of himself. While all of this is great because we've never seen it in the movies before, it's about time we just have him in New York, doing his best to save the city. Team up with Daredevil, fight Kingpin, and both simultaneously win, but still lose because it's the Kingpin. Have him fight a number of smaller gangsters like Hammerhead, Tombstone, a couple of hired thugs, and have it all link to Kingpin, but then he and Matt can't get the proof they need to link them all to Kingpin in order to get the legal authorities involved. Save all the multiversal crap for the Avengers when he teams up with them, we just need Spider-Man to be normal Spider-Man in New York trying to save the neighborhood in his own movies again.
For a character nicknamed
"The friendly neighborhood spiderman"
The mcu has barely shown spiderman in a neighborhood in New York
Should’ve titled the video
BACK TO FORMULA
I honestly can't believe he didn't do this. Such a missed opportunity
I was hoping for a street level movie at first but I think mcu Spider-Man writers have made it abundantly clear they don’t understand street level characters or Spider-Man in general. If they did make a street level movie, they’d mess it up and find a way to give Spider-Man more stupid gadgets and technology he never had in the comics when he was mainly on his own. They’d also try to raise the stakes ridiculously high for a street level movie. People will say “no way home made him lose everything and turned him into a street hero so they got to stick with that ending” but forget that homecoming ended with him stating he wants to continue being a street hero for the little guy and rejecting the advanced iron spider suit then in far from home he’s still using the iron spider suit, he’s traveling to Europe, he’s creating suits with futuristic technology on a private jet, and is working with Nick fury and Shield to save London from an army of drones that he was given.
In Homecoming he ended with wanting to be a street level hero, and FFH forced to him to do more since he became an Avenger in IW.
NWH ends with Peter forced to be alone and lose all his connections, it's basically a full reset. And since he already wants to be a street level hero cause of Homecoming, now's the time to be one
@@racool911 You forgot the fact that there's a constant pattern of him doing the complete opposite of being street level. Just because an ending promises something doesn't mean it'll be delivered which is something that happened in homecoming and far from home plus mcu spiderman has be a bipolar and flaky character since his appearance.
I thoroughly enjoyed every episode of the Spiderman TAS where it centered around his time at Empire State University.
It didnt seem like it was a special school, it just had a breakthrough in there stem program that caught a lot of attention.
Peter interacting with Liz, Michael, Dr conners as a professor, there were some solid arcs in that show around the mutagenics lab
I think the spider-man movies can survive without Zendaya
Heck, they'd probably do better without Zendaya.
As an avid reader and owner of over 120 issues of The Astonishing Spider-Man comics, Street-Level Spider-Man is all that's required.
And, at the same time, Spidey is practically the Only NYC hero who literally swings by other heroes domains for quick advice or assistance, so that could also be a ticket seller having a few hero cameos or team-up at the end (not that Spidey ever needs it).
I really want a good live-action version of The Shocker & Scorpion. Morbius to have a Blade cameo. An Ant-Man team up.. The possibilities are endless for Spider-Man.
Just give Tom Holland something Good to work with because where NWH left off, it's Just where canonically Peter Parker is usually at; run down apartment, no one knows his identity, doesn't have Avengers/Stark tech leg-up, city loves/hates him, in college with a boring job before DB... He could also finally meet Harry Osborne in college.
The Chameleon is a GREAT choice for the movie's villain, but Scorpion is my favorite (aside from Carnage). They already introduced his character played by Michael Mando (an excellent actor), but they didn't give him his suit/powers & I want to see the MCU's version of the tail & acid spray... I know after everyone Spidey has fought so far a guy with a robotic tail that shoots acid seems like a step backwards in intensity but I really do hope he at least gets his suit/tail in the movie even if he isn't a main bad guy
They could do both.
Have Chameleon pulling the strings to orchestrate a fight between Scorpion and Spidey.
The same way he did in the “Kraven’s First Hunt” comic.
@@Victor-qx3vx That'd be GREAT! Chameleon is kinda slept on for a big bad & I just really want the MCU to do justice to Michael Mando's Scorpion! I really think there's potential gold with either or both these villains!
2:47 "you or ME"
The montage in Spider-Man one, after Peter graduates high school and he’s doing lots of crime fighting and the city talks about their experience with Spider-Man should be the basis for the 4th Tom Holland film. He’s a young man now in his early 20s. Make it grounded. Give him his personality which Tom Holland Peter lacks. Make it fun. Bring in Daredevil, Punisher & Kingpin. Take a break from MJ (bring her and Ned back in 5) and introduce Black Cat. Bring Scorpion back for Revenge. They have it all right there. Then, Ope post Credits scene we are in battle world now leading into Doom/Secret Wars
Spiderman: It Didn’t Work Out
The multiverse is only a fun and exciting subversion when it _is_ a subversion, not the norm.
When complete chaos isn’t just for special occasions, it becomes fatiguing and numb.
I hope this isn’t true. They should make a street level movie. Have Spidey team up with Daredevil to fight Kingpin, Scorpion and Bullseye.
Nah i don’t want Bullseye be in a Spider-Man movie
I think they could do something with Fisk weaving a web around Peter as he tries to reinvent himself in this next phase of his life and MCU as a whole.
Maybe start out, Peter’s Spider-man-ing while trying to navigate college and living on his own without a support network. Bring in Black Cat who’s an alluring new landing zone for Peter but is working for Fisk, MJ as the Beetle who’s hunting Spider-man both for Fisk and herself per her “I’ll find you” at the end of No Way Home, and Ned as the tech support take on the Hobgoblin.
Fisk would represent what Peter wants, assuredness in what he wants, who he is, and professionally successful and respected, but he has qualities Peter must resist such as a low tolerance for frustration, anger issues, and a need to control those around him to reassure his own sense of safety
Here’s my prediction,after Secret Wars once everything is rebooted we will a comic accurate spider man setting in the MCU,which means a Harry Osborn,Norman Osborn,Venom,Mary Jane Watson,Gwen Stacy,Kraven,Oscorpe and many more will exist in the Mcu. And Marvel can introduce Miles Morales and Tom Holland can play the mentor role.
I fear that by that point the interest of those movies will be long gone
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us! Spider-Man is still my favorite superhero ever, and I agree with you about how they should make him more relatable again and how we should get a more street-level plot, and it should be fun and light-hearted. I would be down to see some new friends, too. It would be very rewarding to see other people from the extended Spider-man story cast, and a different version of Harry Osborne could also be interesting. Plus, I would love to see if they could do something similar to the 90s cartoon and set up how Kingpin first makes Spider-man his friend, and then he learns the truth about him through investigation. I love that plotline, and I think it's worth exploring again.
It’s incredibly disappointing that the mcu doesn’t use the concept of a multiverse to tell creative and experimental stories but just as a lazy excuse for cheap cameo applause. I really feel like the mcu is rotting the image of marvel comics characters at this point
Its sony fault for the multiverse idea not marvel
@@TypicalPlayer21 ah yes Marvel Studios who have done nothing wrong in their time with movies ever lol, they're both money hungry studios no one is more to blame
MCU rotting the image of marvel comic characters?
I dont know, i feel Marvel was already loosing prestige even before he MCU was a thing
They REALLY need to do a street level movie for Spidey. The multiverse stuff needs to be a "once in a while" type of thing.
No way home left things in a great spot for Pete to really get back to his roots. Not taking advantage of that would be a BIG mistake.
This multiverse shit is just pure nostalgia bait fuel at this point
The multiverse as a whole makes it difficult to take any action, character death, or change seriously. It's like nothing has consequences so it's tough to feel any real emotion towards it coz you know it will be undone
I want the next Spidey film to be grounded and street level.
And supervillains.
@@mayotango1317Scorpion, Black Cat and Chameleon would be my choices.
A lower level introspective Spider-Man story with Kingpin and maybe Scorpion as his main weapon against Spider-Man would be the ideal scenario to me, maybe even throw Black Cat or Daredevil in there then maybe the likes of Chameleon, Tombstone and Maybe even Hobgoblin show up in later instalments. You could have Spider-Man defeat the Scorpion but Kingpin is still active by the end, that's often the case with their encounters in the comics and having Holland's Spider-Man have to deal with the fact that he's now facing situations that won't have clean clear cut solutions would fit. His arc should be something along the lines of him beginning at a low point but by the end he embraces the new status quo; his life is harder now than it was before but he still finds the strength to power through by the end.
MCU spider-man needs a street level story
Why? We've already had two previous Spiderman series that dealt with a street-level Spiderman. Why not actually build on what actually made the MCU Spiderman unique? It doesn't have to be more Multiverse but just retreating back to "basics" feels creatively bankrupt. There's more to be done with the character then drag him into the Multiverse or have him go back to fighting street toughs... right?
@SuperPal-tr3go
Spider-man at his core is street level.
Going back to street level would be a very natural progression to from No way home.
Especially with how much they set up for that way, for example they set up Scorpion, Vulture creating his own sinister 6, and now the symbiote is in the MCU.
@@Raccon_Detective.That’s not that encouraging to me tbh.
They should’ve set up Scorpion coercing Vulture into joining the Sinister Six (alongside Mysterio, Shocker -maybe Chameleon was there all along - + 1) and revealing Spidey’s identity.
That’d put Toomes in a complicated situation in which he only cares for his daughter’s safety and it’s always planning and calculating whether it’s better to help Peter defeat the villains or the other way around.
But Mysterio is dead, Toomes had his memory of Peter Parker wiped and Scorpion is forgotten. Not to mention Far From Home’s end pretty much ruins this whole idea on its own.
@@SuperPal-tr3goI wouldn’t call back to basic street level stuff “creatively bankrupt”. That’s where most of the opportunities are.
Just look at the comics and cartoons there are so much of it that relies on street level stuff and it never feels tiresome. Because that’s exactly what Spider-Man does. The potential for street level adventures and the ways to tell them without feeling all just the same are limitless.
@@Victor-qx3vx I still see it as a retreat from what made this version of Spiderman unique that's made worse by the fact that we've already done different versions of "street-level" Spiderman already in film form in the not to recent past.
They could give us a few Holland and Garfield street level movies. A mature Spider Man movie with Tobey dealing with loss and mental issues after being Spider Man for so long.
And a mini Avengers like team up when a bigger threat emerges.
I just have no hope in Marvel/Sony doing the right thing here. I think people really want a more grounded Spiderman movie, but who knows if we'll get that.
The real question im wondering, is not if we will get that but rather if by the time it happens it wont be too late and the superhero genre is not in a good possition anymore
after Into the Spider-Verse and Everything Everywhere All At Once, I think I’ve seen all I need to see from multiverses in cinema. Most multiverse shenanigans post those movies have just felt redundant or like a crutch for lazy storytelling/easy cameos.
I’d love to see you make a video on Doctor Who, and its current state. Really wanna hear your opinion on the show.
I’m so behind. I haven’t even watched the stuff they brought back 10 for yet!
@@captainmidnight Haha no worries man. You’re not missing out on much, but there are definitely some really good storylines and characters from the past decade so I recommend you give it a watch.
I just want a grounded back to basics Spider-Man story no multiverses
Tom holland has said multiple times he will not do another Spider-Man movie unless they have a good and respectful story for the character.
he also said he wasn't gonna be Spiderman until he was 30 yet here we are
Holland isn't going to be coming back
Having Spidey vs Kingpin is a good way of bringing back a Scorpion or introducing Chameleon. With the big bad being a big man in a suit, giving his main henchman the super villain shtick works wonders. In many ways those main henchman roles could be the most interesting villain characters, especially if you have Spidey connect with them over the shard pressures of working class existence.
Spidey can fight the Kingpin and try to redeem his costumed foot soldiers who are ultimately just poor people like him who got exploited by a powerful man. I mean shit, that could make Spidey realise how Stark exploited him as a kid, not to necessarily demonise Stark but at least have Spidey reckon with something that is actually quite a bit fucked up from his childhood. That might be expecting way too much from Sony or Marvel though, they seem averse to any kind of real working class representation in their movies and shows, even for their characters it makes the most sense for. Either it's ignored or just straight up erased. I dunno, Spider-Man 2 is still the closest to a perfect Spider-man movie to me and the further we get from it, the less likely I feel we're ever going to experience it's like again.
We need a Spider-Man and Daredevil movie.
I was sick of multiverse stuff after like 2 movies. The fact that they’re still doing it is mind boggling.
One problem I have is that Spider-Man is too powerful for that "street style" thing. I mean, he can easily lift over 10 tons...he can easily beat the Kingpin, a human, with one punch.
Spider-man at his core is street level, he's literally called "The friendly neighborhood Spider-man".
It's literally in his name.
Yes but he's not invincible, and 10 tons isn't all that much, especially since he has a lot of tricky villains. Plus Kingpin isn't all about physical strength, his high status means Spidey can't normally just go and punch him.
Kingpin isn’t a physical villain. His power is his wealth and his crime empire. He could hire other villains like Scorpion to do the fighting for him. Also it’s worth noting that Kingpin has superhuman strength of his own (his “fat” is actually muscle) though not on a Spider Man level.
He can easily but he never does it. That’s not who he is. I can remember of only one story in which he beats Fisk to a pulp and it was because he had all of his buttons pressed.
Kingpin isn't a threat merely due of physical stenght touhgh the guy isnt a pushover, but due of how he controls the criminal underworld and it's perception.
Not all villains have to be ultra powerful dimentional eaters to be a genuine threat for a hero
If you're nothing without the Multiverse, then you shouldn't have it.
People are obsessed with all the cameos and nostalgia bait it seems. So its proven to be extremely financially lucrative for Marvel. Thus, they don't have much incentive to go back to street level stuff.
This video is spot on you said so much of what I’ve been unable to say
The multiverse is a concept of which we care about frighteningly little
Same but only because of how literally everyone is doing it.
Just saying...Pablo Schreiber as Chameleon with Liev as Kraven.
The MCU already introduced Scorpion in Homecoming, now seems like a pretty good time to use him. He's a villain with no connection to Peter Parker, Spider-Man is still considered a menace to society, JJJ is now a part of the story, you could use Kingpin to bankroll it if you had to include him. They have everything needed.
Thats literally the blueprint for an amazing 4th installment of this franchise. I've been saying it for months. All you need is depressed street level spider-man going up against Kingpin who uses Scorpion as a henchmen and then if you wanna include Daredevil and Punisher you can because it would make sense. Best of both worlds for everybody AND a good story. but sony won't do that will they 💀
They got the perfect actor for scorpion and did nothing
@AmusedCoffee-ym3gb WHY was mysterio the villain for the second film, like they have Mac Gargan who wants to find out Peter's identity. Have Spider-Man and Scorpion fight the whole movie until a similar climax where Scorpions beat and his last ditch effort is to reveal Peters identity. You can have the same set up for a third film still with a better sorry and a villain that makes more sense.
I remember when I wanted NWH to be a courtroom drama with Daredevil and Peter's identity being revealed having more of an impact. 😭
then ur an idiot because It was teased before any single news that it was gonna be a multiverse story
@@Coolgamer54321You’re the idiot. You mistook “I wanted” for “I thought”.
The MCU needs to ditch the multiverse. I hate it all
Yes! This is what I've been hoping for the next trilogy. A new cast would be amazing, too, and I hope they don't redo the No Way Home ending. Not sure who they'll get for the villain since I would want scorpion to finally show up, or they can also have him confront Kingpin and maybe have Daredevil as well.
I want a multiverse movie and I want peter to team up with star wars
If I recall right, at the end of NWH one of the bones Peter has is literally 'how to get your GED' so I think something more grounded is on the cards if they follow up on that rather than soft rebooting.
Back to formula!?
Two weeks? Two weeks? We’ll have lost the contract by then and Sony will be dead.
"Cameo dispenser" is a great way to put it. Marvel has been all about that for so long that I for what it is like to have character development in one of their movies.
I can’t wait for the countless video essays about how the next spiderman is going to flop, culminating in the film releasing, inevitably making a billion dollars, and the same people praising the movie for being a return to form for MCU
You’re 100 percent absolutely right they should skip at least 1 move without MJ or Ned! Sweet video love the channel as always!
We got six “street level” spider man movies and another where the multiverse was only tangentially related (Far From Home).
I like seeing these recent movies where we see a young Peter grappling with a much larger world. A world with other superheroes.
I guess I don’t see the need to rehash the street level stuff that was done so well in the Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield movies and Homecoming already.
I think the idea should be a balance. Not to pretend other heroes dont happen but at the same time not reying on multiversal plots or larger than life deals. Perhaps other street level threats or villains not as much used could work
Remember Insomniac Spider-Man fighting Doc Ock? His mentor. The weight of that moment. His naivety of still seeing the good in someone. This wasn’t a threat to the universe or the planet. But it just felt so heavy. I don’t need something to matter to everyone everywhere ever. I mean imagine Ned does become evil not having Peter. You don’t need to have him blowing up the planet. Just have Peter pulling his punches because he doesn’t want to hurt his friend.