Awesome Lex! It's really amazing how much the Python programming language has grown in prominence over the last decade and to have the author for such a long insightful interview. As far as guests go, it would be really great to have a conversation with Andrej Karpathy. I am interested to know the work they're doing with ASIC chips for autonomous vehicles at Tesla.
As a *long time listener, it's awesome to see how slightly different your early videos are, Lex. Came across this video as I'm beginning to take an introductory to python seriously.
thatthat mighmight bebe truetrue.. Do you already know which theme and font to use? It's cool to dress-up your prompt since the Linux Desktop actually is a thing.
31:45 newton calculus 37:10 compiler technology, people want to take a shorcut 42:08 programming 54:24 languages 56:25 very focused problem, somewhere in-between between shell scripting and C
Guido van Rossum has his feet on the ground. I like that! AI as it is seen by real technicians is far away from the magic of life itself. Let it be that way. Thank you for the interview.
Not a fan of Python myself for various reasons, but I can't deny that Guido is an incredibly intelligent yet grounded guy and this shines through on this interview.
4:38 Holy shit Lexs first interview he’s damn near forcing this guy to succumb to his strong desire for Guiddo to acknowledge traditional art has an impact on his work as an engineer. There’s no overlap for me either. I’m not sitting there writing ternary operators thinking about Moby Dick
His thought processes between making and doing is what enabled him to create an easy er language simplifying is simply beautful and when the machine becomes aware it begins to understand. How did i miss this podcast lex?
Wow Lex, unrevealing guest ecosystems !!! And getting deep truth as the interviewer doesn’t expect those existentially formulate question : Bravo Lex🙏🏼
THANKS! I was listening while doing some reading like " He's not even talking about Python" LMFAO. First time hearing the creator talk though. But I was like DAYMN!
Excellent! Agree with Guido, AI is not programming 2.0, its priming 1.0 similar to what parent teach to kids but do not have control over the full extent of the output
Such an amazing interview. One of the best I've ever seen! They approach some very interesting points which are beyond the act of typing lines of codes. Pretty much a Philosophy's interview. Thank you so much for that.
Martial Arts, Philosophy, Science (especially A.I.), Good Personality; this was my dream life.., Glad to see this sort of life in action, enacted by Lex.
@@baron_xd4633 Yeah my sense is Lex's reasoning goes like this: 1. Python is an amazing thing 2. This guy invented Python 3. This guy must be an amazing guy and it must be related to this amazing thing he did I think a strength of Joe Rogan actually is that he doesn't fit his guests into boxes, he just follows what they're interested in. Lex is obviously new at this but from this one he might learn that he doesn't have to put everything into the context of "The Inventor Of Python" to have a good conversation.
Just started my journey to learn Python a few days ago - my first attempt at learning a programming language. Lex is the person the bro's have always needed to bridge the gap for the nerds. Keep doing God's work, Lex.
As the creator of Python, he probably expected to be asked questions about that programming languange, and instead the first question is a very deep philosophical one. He definitely did not expect that.
Lex probably learned a lot about interviewing from every source he could before launching this podcast. He certainly seems able to engage very many different kinds of people. I would bet his opening question was intended to take Mr. van Rossum out his regular state of mind while at the same time asking a question a more general audience could relate to.
When Lex talks to Guido, he looks at him like when you talk to your professor during office hours and they are trying to understand your thought process rather than agreeing or disagreeing with you haha.
I get this feeling that Lex is constantly looking for proof or indications that agi is achievable or making any progress, but various guests’ answers indicate that we are very far off from achieving that goal, which seems to make him doubt about his own ideas on how the field should move forward.
Just found this after listening to a couple of the new eps with python guys. Amazing as usual! I thought the idea of a self driving car becoming conscious before a chatbot is pretty interesting
Hey Lex. Thank you for the interview. I am learning the Python language now in my class. Prior to this interview, I didn't know much about the creator. This was very insightful! Appreciate it. 'Spaseebo'!
A dude that religious people hated back in the days because he owned them. Now he criticize woke people that have similar behavior as religious people. And woke people attacks him like the religious people did but 10 times louder because of internet and the growth of woke people. But usually you can't find much legit criticism about him. Mostly misunderstandings on what he is actually saying, criticism like he interviews wrong people or stuff he did not say. Or just bashing him without giving a reason why they hate him.
@@f1aziz that falls into the "Mostly misunderstandings on what he is actually saying" or " just bashing him without giving a reason why they hate him." category. I would argue he is saying "I think you are missing the context here" because people fail to understand him.
He could model his interviews after the "talk shows". On the other hand these interviews are so good, why interrupt the momentum? - the unique off-camera opaque style is refreshing.
Keypunch machines, operator with a very serious look on their face putting decks of cards in the reader, adding the mystic JCL cards in between, big IBM mainframe crunching the program and huge line printer spitting out copious amounts of printed results. People dropping their decks of cards and crying afterwards, trying to put them back in order. The waiting time, and the extreme care NOT to make any typos! The things from another life Guido reminded me of :)
That's been an incredible debate. After so many mind-numbingly shallow tech interviews I've heard, this one definitely stands out as a gem in the rough.
We have application at work. Perfectly summarizes Guido's thinking; that program is in C code running a lot of time, parsing huge amount of data. Tho sometimes we have problem with that program, and need to analyze, see where problem is. Then I do scripts(bash) or python etc program to run big number of test cases more quickly. Those scripts are essentially throwaway programs to analyze problem in data, so high level language is best option.
@Lex Fridman Working a SW developer, I had the impression a SW component wich sits on a layered architecture on top of the rest of the SW components (sometimes called 'operations mode management'), supervising and managing them, without any direct interface with the external world, just creating a high level abstraction model of the environment and the relationship this code has with this environment... could be called counsciousness. When some one says "are you counscious about..." could be translated to "does your mental model contains an image about..." (and its interfaces with the rest of the model).
The key to developing intelligent machines is realizing that reality is not made up of objects or entities. Reality is made up of moments of experience. Moments of seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, touching, and thinking.
One of the latest language I learn was python , I learn c++ , pearl and php before and it was easy to get through it, I did some code on web dev with Django , is great to see the guy that created it
This isnt often talked about in tech, that Guido was in his best years mid 30s, not young 21 yo starting in tech. Python would be forgotten crap unless backed by long experience.
It's overly romanticised that being 21 is a "boon" to achieving success in the tech industry. While there are certainly some dinosaurs in the industry, there are definitely some experienced older folks who have incredible game changing ideas still.
If someone sat me in front of a sketch artist and told me to describe what I think someone nicknamed "the god of lego building" might look like, the result would look like Guido
How about textual transcript for people who prefer to read text rather than watch a video? (Happily, it is not a deaf accessibility issue, as the video has captions.)
Try using function decorators(adverbs) or class decorators(adjectives) with monkey patching the __dict__, __mro__, and maybe __getattr__. There is also @multimethods for mypy. You can have a safesetattr when monkey patching so that if it finds a method/field that already exists, you could rename the field/method by including the decorator name or module name in the method, and then printing out warnings.
And yet Python has a wealth of libraries that are very powerful and yet quite easy to use. Python has limits, but that a programming style you want to import from another language doesn't quite fit is not one of the important ones.
I really liked your black Betty video. I have a Jackson guitar and she's black and pretty sweet. Found you through Rogan, and enjoy your channel. Your videos blew your Rogan appearance out of the water. I'd never watched an MIT lecture before but I've watched a lot of yours. Wishing you all the best from Vancouver British Columbia. Please try not to blow up the world, just Saskatchewan if possible :D all you need is love!
Love your videos Lex. Just one feedback - clipping away certain sections of video breaks the flow (For eg. at 22:49). I am sure you have reasons for doing it (making videos short?) ... Awesome channel any way... Looking for more such interviews...
Good catch. There's reasons I do it, and they are never to make an episode shorter. In this case, it had to do with a 30 second tangent on when DNA first appeared that was not accurate and not easy to listen to. Ultimately, it's my failure as an interviewer. I'm working on it... Goal is to never need such edits.
1:05 human nature
4:50 early teen life
14:35 Conway's Game of Life
16:00 programming
19:10 AI
24:30 consciousness
31:20 logic
~~~
55:00 python
Sabash Nitesh! 🙏
Thanks for saving me 55 minutes
@@Dr_Twatson Nah its interesting.
@@shayneoneill1506 I love all of Alex’s podcasts. One of the best interviewers in the world. But today I’m just really wanting to hear about python
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Python God himself... The most interesting thing is we are living in the era of Python Founder and he is still alive.
lol you have much to learn about computer coding and the different languages...
@@grantturnr That is exactly the type of thing I would expect someone with a fedora to say.
@@grantturnr the more you learn, the more awesome proper Python becomes
His personality says so much about python. Easy going but hugely accomplished
Awesome Lex! It's really amazing how much the Python programming language has grown in prominence over the last decade and to have the author for such a long insightful interview. As far as guests go, it would be really great to have a conversation with Andrej Karpathy. I am interested to know the work they're doing with ASIC chips for autonomous vehicles at Tesla.
As a *long time listener, it's awesome to see how slightly different your early videos are, Lex. Came across this video as I'm beginning to take an introductory to python seriously.
thatthat mighmight bebe truetrue..
Do you already know which theme and font to use? It's cool to dress-up your prompt since the Linux Desktop actually is a thing.
"I don't know if I can go on a tangent or not"
Clearly this man has never listened to the show before
This is the problem with awareness, and levels of awareness as it moves in a herd; still ileph.
#bethereorbee
Love this interview so much . I met Guido at Pycon 2007. Python is beautiful and this interview shares the amazing design vision of its creator.
31:45 newton calculus 37:10 compiler technology, people want to take a shorcut 42:08 programming 54:24 languages 56:25 very focused problem, somewhere in-between between shell scripting and C
It's crazy how people put so much effort to come together and share knowledge, really shows a cooperative spirit in humans. Cool podcast.
Guido van Rossum has his feet on the ground. I like that! AI as it is seen by real technicians is far away from the magic of life itself. Let it be that way. Thank you for the interview.
I wasn't expecting him to be so clear in communication, and down to earth
Not a fan of Python myself for various reasons, but I can't deny that Guido is an incredibly intelligent yet grounded guy and this shines through on this interview.
Lex ages like fine wine.
So does Lex podcasts.
I love these conversations.
:-)
4:38 Holy shit Lexs first interview he’s damn near forcing this guy to succumb to his strong desire for Guiddo to acknowledge traditional art has an impact on his work as an engineer. There’s no overlap for me either. I’m not sitting there writing ternary operators thinking about Moby Dick
I thought exactly the same. Lex is putting words in his mouth. Guido seemed to brush it off, thinking "whatever" 😀
These interviews are much better than the classroom lectures. Keep it up.
What an incredible interview not just asking the same questions that everyone else does!! Thank you!
His thought processes between making and doing is what enabled him to create an easy er language simplifying is simply beautful and when the machine becomes aware it begins to understand. How did i miss this podcast lex?
Wow Lex, unrevealing guest ecosystems !!! And getting deep truth as the interviewer doesn’t expect those existentially formulate question : Bravo Lex🙏🏼
"On Python..." @55:00
THANKS! I was listening while doing some reading like " He's not even talking about Python" LMFAO. First time hearing the creator talk though. But I was like DAYMN!
many thxs :thumbsup: :-D
@@SHUJINCELL Like all of us)
@@iworeushankaonce Hahaaaa! Yup yup
scrolled to find this after @0:01
Excellent! Agree with Guido, AI is not programming 2.0, its priming 1.0 similar to what parent teach to kids but do not have control over the full extent of the output
Ah yes, I believe you because you are well-studied and accomplished
I cannot find it. Where is it explained?
thanks for having this conversation, lex. really appreciate it.
Guido admits being just a mechanic interested in tool making. Speculation and meta shit is not his style.
humanity is not his style either
Such an amazing interview. One of the best I've ever seen! They approach some very interesting points which are beyond the act of typing lines of codes. Pretty much a Philosophy's interview. Thank you so much for that.
Martial Arts, Philosophy, Science (especially A.I.), Good Personality; this was my dream life.., Glad to see this sort of life in action, enacted by Lex.
Alternate Title: Lex Fridman's opinions about programming while Guido listened patiently.
lex really didnt want to hear that you can build a language like python without relating yourself to mozart lol
lol lex is a real dork
Lex is starting to resemble Joe Rogan in bad ways here...
@@baron_xd4633 Yeah my sense is Lex's reasoning goes like this:
1. Python is an amazing thing
2. This guy invented Python
3. This guy must be an amazing guy and it must be related to this amazing thing he did
I think a strength of Joe Rogan actually is that he doesn't fit his guests into boxes, he just follows what they're interested in. Lex is obviously new at this but from this one he might learn that he doesn't have to put everything into the context of "The Inventor Of Python" to have a good conversation.
"Lex is starting to resemble Joe Rogan in bad ways here"
Do drugs and write 'enterprise level' code in brainfuck, whoooo, look it up Jamie!
Great interview and also like the screen insert (displaying book references, etc...) feature.
Guido's speech is in python mode. If you want it to be in C mode, bump the playback speed to 1.25x
damn!
Just started my journey to learn Python a few days ago - my first attempt at learning a programming language.
Lex is the person the bro's have always needed to bridge the gap for the nerds. Keep doing God's work, Lex.
Print("hello world")
@@MrRico020 hello world
As the creator of Python, he probably expected to be asked questions about that programming languange, and instead the first question is a very deep philosophical one. He definitely did not expect that.
But he still give pretty reasonable answers to lex philosophical questions
Lex probably learned a lot about interviewing from every source he could before launching this podcast. He certainly seems able to engage very many different kinds of people. I would bet his opening question was intended to take Mr. van Rossum out his regular state of mind while at the same time asking a question a more general audience could relate to.
So impressive that Guido can have this conversation in English!
All of the podcasts are very high quality! I just hope there are more interviews with philosophers.
Thank you so much for bringing these people on to your podcasts
Thanks to Lex for this great conversation. And thanks to Guido van Rossum for the Python. I really enjoy it.
When Lex talks to Guido, he looks at him like when you talk to your professor during office hours and they are trying to understand your thought process rather than agreeing or disagreeing with you haha.
That's why I like about lex's podcasts - humble attitude toward guests. Letting them to spread out in thought.
@52:30 - "Programming taught in schools and colleges are so simple, they dont know how to build engineering systems"
I get this feeling that Lex is constantly looking for proof or indications that agi is achievable or making any progress, but various guests’ answers indicate that we are very far off from achieving that goal, which seems to make him doubt about his own ideas on how the field should move forward.
I like his reaction to "This is what Stephen Wolfram is obsessed about" @17:30 :-)
Its a great feeling to listen to the creator of the language and how it evolved over the years.
I love your programming language, great programming language
Just found this after listening to a couple of the new eps with python guys. Amazing as usual! I thought the idea of a self driving car becoming conscious before a chatbot is pretty interesting
Great interview man, right questions, right people. Would love one with Rob Pike someday.
Hey Lex. Thank you for the interview. I am learning the Python language now in my class. Prior to this interview, I didn't know much about the creator. This was very insightful! Appreciate it. 'Spaseebo'!
its been a year, how did you journey to learn python go? what level are you now?
its been four years, how did you journey to learn python go? what level are you on now?
"I don't know who Sam Harris is" finally :)
people who like this know him and dont like him 😂
Guido never heard of Sam Harris? How dare he?
A dude that religious people hated back in the days because he owned them.
Now he criticize woke people that have similar behavior as religious people.
And woke people attacks him like the religious people did but 10 times louder because of internet and the growth of woke people.
But usually you can't find much legit criticism about him. Mostly misunderstandings on what he is actually saying, criticism like he interviews wrong people or stuff he did not say.
Or just bashing him without giving a reason why they hate him.
@@bucketpizza5197 I think you are missing the context here, as Sam Harris would say every time legitimate criticism is thrown his way.
@@f1aziz that falls into the "Mostly misunderstandings on what he is actually saying" or " just bashing him without giving a reason why they hate him." category. I would argue he is saying "I think you are missing the context here" because people fail to understand him.
I wish Lex could appear in the video it will make it more interesting.
He could model his interviews after the "talk shows". On the other hand these interviews are so good, why interrupt the momentum? - the unique off-camera opaque style is refreshing.
I like the way lex gets into the brain of the interviewee .. Well done .. great interview !
damn he makes video interview-introductions like they're criminal-case depositions! love it!
A no-bs guy. Great
Bruh the way you opened this was beautiful
Good interviewer, and questions asked in an interesting way. In fact I enjoyed the questions more than the answers.
Keypunch machines, operator with a very serious look on their face putting decks of cards in the reader, adding the mystic JCL cards in between, big IBM mainframe crunching the program and huge line printer spitting out copious amounts of printed results. People dropping their decks of cards and crying afterwards, trying to put them back in order. The waiting time, and the extreme care NOT to make any typos! The things from another life Guido reminded me of :)
this guy is a code god, this interview is terribly interesting
That's been an incredible debate. After so many mind-numbingly shallow tech interviews I've heard, this one definitely stands out as a gem in the rough.
We have application at work. Perfectly summarizes Guido's thinking; that program is in C code running a lot of time, parsing huge amount of data. Tho sometimes we have problem with that program, and need to analyze, see where problem is. Then I do scripts(bash) or python etc program to run big number of test cases more quickly. Those scripts are essentially throwaway programs to analyze problem in data, so high level language is best option.
Great show, would love to see the unedited version!
@Lex Fridman Working a SW developer, I had the impression a SW component wich sits on a layered architecture on top of the rest of the SW components (sometimes called 'operations mode management'), supervising and managing them, without any direct interface with the external world, just creating a high level abstraction model of the environment and the relationship this code has with this environment... could be called counsciousness. When some one says "are you counscious about..." could be translated to "does your mental model contains an image about..." (and its interfaces with the rest of the model).
The best line by Guido in the podcast was "I don't know who Sam Harris is."
The key to developing intelligent machines is realizing that reality is not made up of objects or entities. Reality is made up of moments of experience. Moments of seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, touching, and thinking.
One of the latest language I learn was python , I learn c++ , pearl and php before and it was easy to get through it, I did some code on web dev with Django , is great to see the guy that created it
This isnt often talked about in tech, that Guido was in his best years mid 30s, not young 21 yo starting in tech. Python would be forgotten crap unless backed by long experience.
It's overly romanticised that being 21 is a "boon" to achieving success in the tech industry. While there are certainly some dinosaurs in the industry, there are definitely some experienced older folks who have incredible game changing ideas still.
Lex, as someone suggested below, I also prefer when we could see you in the video. It makes it more interactive. But again great interview.
My friend told me to watch Lex and I’m so happy I listened
I liked a lot this interview. Lex, I loved the philosophical questions you raised and to see a bit Guido's way of thinking and interests.
Awesome interview.
you are doing a great job with this Lex, thanks!
This guy is awesome 👌😢❤😂Love the perspectives. GUIDO KNOWS SO much! 😊Thanks for this, hubby, Lex. ❤❤❤Lovey your wifey, Ashirah, Wendy, 😮 Fridman
Godel, Escher, Bach was huge for me as well. I hope one day he finds the Truth theologically.
Inspirational clip! Watch a lot of TH-cam but that's the first time I'm saying inspirational. Thanks for getting BDFL on camera lex.
RIP John Conway. Conway's game is over.
My goodness.. Amazing guest after amazing guest. Thank you..
never clicked so quickly
If someone sat me in front of a sketch artist and told me to describe what I think someone nicknamed "the god of lego building" might look like, the result would look like Guido
"Consciousness and intelligence are not all or nothing", sounds trivial but not commonly heard.
Life is a program that writes itself.
Really amazing conversation
I enjoyed this conversation a lot.
Great interview Lex!
I wish if he could pull off a podcast with Robert Sapolsky, in my book, his little time existence on Earth is well spent.
What an inspiration Sir... Today we are carrying your work of legacy 'Phyton'
Thank you for this! I love your podcast!
That podcast made me more motivated to keep learning python shorts of interesting appreciated 👍
You have awesome guests!
How about textual transcript for people who prefer to read text rather than watch a video?
(Happily, it is not a deaf accessibility issue, as the video has captions.)
Lex should bring the one of the authors of the Julia language.
Get the small talk out of the way early :)
I love all these interviews, especially the big hitters like this guy.
Listening this conversation while doing programming
Thank you Sir. i started coding in Python for the last 3 years and I realize wasted 20 years coding in Java.
thankx for sharing these talks, lex
Thank you. Great conversation!
we just want him to talk about python most of the time!!!!
I prefer the currrent long-form/no cuts interviews, strange to see all the edits he used to make!
Dayum this gonna be good
I can fall asleep with his voice 😅 so soothing
"Making organs out of cells is not called chemistry", Guido Van Rossum
Thank you so much for sharing the insights!!!!
Python is a great language until one tries to build up a library which is extensible and composable. Expression problem hits it particularly hard.
Try using function decorators(adverbs) or class decorators(adjectives) with monkey patching the __dict__, __mro__, and maybe __getattr__. There is also @multimethods for mypy. You can have a safesetattr when monkey patching so that if it finds a method/field that already exists, you could rename the field/method by including the decorator name or module name in the method, and then printing out warnings.
And yet Python has a wealth of libraries that are very powerful and yet quite easy to use. Python has limits, but that a programming style you want to import from another language doesn't quite fit is not one of the important ones.
I really liked your black Betty video. I have a Jackson guitar and she's black and pretty sweet. Found you through Rogan, and enjoy your channel. Your videos blew your Rogan appearance out of the water. I'd never watched an MIT lecture before but I've watched a lot of yours. Wishing you all the best from Vancouver British Columbia. Please try not to blow up the world, just Saskatchewan if possible :D all you need is love!
Thanks! Keep rocking the Jackson. Those guitars are beautiful.
Sam who?
Love your videos Lex. Just one feedback - clipping away certain sections of video breaks the flow (For eg. at 22:49). I am sure you have reasons for doing it (making videos short?) ... Awesome channel any way... Looking for more such interviews...
Good catch. There's reasons I do it, and they are never to make an episode shorter. In this case, it had to do with a 30 second tangent on when DNA first appeared that was not accurate and not easy to listen to. Ultimately, it's my failure as an interviewer. I'm working on it... Goal is to never need such edits.
What amazing questions
Really enjoyed this Show Lex , Thank you both , Liked and Shared :) QC