the whole poly count thing with N64 mario vs DS mario never fails to blow my mind. my best guess is that N64 mario is mostly a stack of spheres where there is actually a good number of polygons that we never see because theyre' inside his body? Just a wild theory though. it'd make sense though because that would've probably been much easier to animate back in the day. all the fancy deformation with skeletons we can do these days was, if i recall correctly, not a thing yet in 1996, at least not for Realtime use. on the DS software had come a long way and that probably made it easier to animate a lower poly version, as well as there being more/ better tools to actual model it to begin with. but hey, that's all just my semi-informed theory because i'm a massive nerd XD so I could be WAY off.
Search "Kaze Emanuar Mario 64 model" if you're interested. He will tell you everything about how the model works and why it exists in the form that it does.
Also, Mario 64 uses mostly flat polygons for many things. Textures are significantly more demanding than polygon count in old consoles. Making the DS Mario and its world in the N64 wouldnt be easy to do.
as someone who has played SM64DS on a DS Lite, I don't think the grass colour change would meaningfully effect my ability to spot Yoshi against the grass, I think they made it to fit the original intention for Bob-omb battle field as there is an OFFICIAL Diorama for Bob Omb Battle field from Super Mario 64 complete which has a colouration closer to SM64DS's Bob Omb battle field.
I did an essay on this not too long ago, yes. The N64 graphics are rather dated and most didn’t make it outside that game while the DS character designs look no different to how they look today so as you can tell, they’ve aged significantly better.
What's funny about you comparing the SM64DS Bob-Omb Battlefield grass to Kansas so much is that I live in Kansas and I personally believe Kansas looks very dull and bland. I don't really agree about the grass looking bland in Bob-Omb Battlefield's DS version or the dirt looking bad as I do personally like the way they look. N64 version is bright, but weird and ugly IMO. 4:50 The reason for this is that the N64 version has segmented models and huge wastes of polygons. The DS version used significantly less polygons to put together Mario's gloves for instance as well as his limbs and body. Mario's body and limbs alongside many other character models in the game such as Bowser are just a huge inefficient waste of polygons in the N64 version and that's probably part of why they couldn't make Luigi playable. Banjo Kazooie and Conker's Bad Fur Day could do more because Banjo Kazooie and Conker's Bad Fur Day learned the technique of boned models. (And also expansions and stuff might be at play if I remember correctly, at least for Conker's Bad Fur Day I think there were expansions to it's cartridge to fit more)
I got sm64 ds and I’ve been having more fun then when I played it on the n64 i think it’s because on the ds has more characters I really like unlocking stuff so I think thats why I like the ds more then the n64 version.
The reason why Mario looks so weird in 64 is because they had the programmers model everything on literally and metaphorically primative modelling technology as opposed to a cg artist. The reason why DS Mario looks better despite having fewer polygons is because of the reason just stated above and because the DS could handle more image textures than the N64.
64DS does have better graphics. The character models are more detailed and more alive, the textures are less pixelated and everything has a less unsettling atmosphere.
are we SURE that the textures for dirt are the same resolution? I mean I know the render resolution should be the same but texture files on the N64 could have very well been smaller. the system memory for both consoles is the same but the DS card ridges can hold a lot more data than a N64 game could, stands to reason that, as long as the system memory could deal with it, one of the biggest upsides of more storage would be higher res textures.
yeah this is interesting. the ds version is the first one i discovered, giving me even more nostalgia than the og game, and so the textures also give me nostalgia, but its true that the green in bob-omb battlefield looks somewhat pale. also WHY IN THE WORLD IS THE WII ON A CD??
That's what it looks like lol but it's actually part of the stand that it sits in. (also it's interesting how many ways there are to pronounce bob-omb)
As a resident of DS Bob-Omb battlefield, that joke was not funny, it was just extremely offensive and discriminatory. When I heard that joke I started screaming and crying for 2 hours and it's all your fault. I'm shaking and sniffling while typing this, so please refrain from making jokes like that in the future.
as an actual artist, i'm gonna need humanity to be less obsessed with making grass hurt my eyes for a few minutes. DS looks better, end of story. EDIT: i just realized how rude and aggressive this comment reads. woopsie didn't mean for it to be like that >w
Wario is pretty trash in the ds remake, because the only thing he has going for is his strength. Which is completely useless. He can throw Bombs further and run faster when carrying them, pick up shields and punch an enemy further away. But this does absolutely nothing apart from maybe against the Bullies. A shoulder bash would've given him atleast SOMETHING to stick out.
![ลุ้นมาก! รกต่ำไม่หายจะทำไงดี? [cc] แดนแพทตี้ SS2 | EP.40 |](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/_ub8lf45Vtg/mqdefault.jpg)
the whole poly count thing with N64 mario vs DS mario never fails to blow my mind. my best guess is that N64 mario is mostly a stack of spheres where there is actually a good number of polygons that we never see because theyre' inside his body? Just a wild theory though. it'd make sense though because that would've probably been much easier to animate back in the day. all the fancy deformation with skeletons we can do these days was, if i recall correctly, not a thing yet in 1996, at least not for Realtime use.
on the DS software had come a long way and that probably made it easier to animate a lower poly version, as well as there being more/ better tools to actual model it to begin with.
but hey, that's all just my semi-informed theory because i'm a massive nerd XD so I could be WAY off.
Search "Kaze Emanuar Mario 64 model" if you're interested. He will tell you everything about how the model works and why it exists in the form that it does.
@@JrIcify oh thx for the tip i'm going to look that up!
Also, Mario 64 uses mostly flat polygons for many things. Textures are significantly more demanding than polygon count in old consoles. Making the DS Mario and its world in the N64 wouldnt be easy to do.
as someone who has played SM64DS on a DS Lite, I don't think the grass colour change would meaningfully effect my ability to spot Yoshi against the grass, I think they made it to fit the original intention for Bob-omb battle field as there is an OFFICIAL Diorama for Bob Omb Battle field from Super Mario 64 complete which has a colouration closer to SM64DS's Bob Omb battle field.
super mario 64 has better colors, super mario 64 ds has better better visuals
It's weird because sm64 BoB looks better aesthetically imo, but ds makes more sense to be so desaturated looking. It's a BATTLEFIELD. It makes sense.
I did an essay on this not too long ago, yes. The N64 graphics are rather dated and most didn’t make it outside that game while the DS character designs look no different to how they look today so as you can tell, they’ve aged significantly better.
Design: Yes, Resolution: No
What's funny about you comparing the SM64DS Bob-Omb Battlefield grass to Kansas so much is that I live in Kansas and I personally believe Kansas looks very dull and bland. I don't really agree about the grass looking bland in Bob-Omb Battlefield's DS version or the dirt looking bad as I do personally like the way they look. N64 version is bright, but weird and ugly IMO.
4:50 The reason for this is that the N64 version has segmented models and huge wastes of polygons. The DS version used significantly less polygons to put together Mario's gloves for instance as well as his limbs and body. Mario's body and limbs alongside many other character models in the game such as Bowser are just a huge inefficient waste of polygons in the N64 version and that's probably part of why they couldn't make Luigi playable. Banjo Kazooie and Conker's Bad Fur Day could do more because Banjo Kazooie and Conker's Bad Fur Day learned the technique of boned models. (And also expansions and stuff might be at play if I remember correctly, at least for Conker's Bad Fur Day I think there were expansions to it's cartridge to fit more)
I like the bob-bomb battlefield dirt better on the ds version, but I like the origional grass better.
I live in DS bob omb battlefield and it is HELL here
Bombomb battlefields on the DS has colors like a painting I would do in second grade with a too much water ratio gouache
To answer the title
Yes.
To Elaborate.
Bowser
I got sm64 ds and I’ve been having more fun then when I played it on the n64 i think it’s because on the ds has more characters I really like unlocking stuff so I think thats why I like the ds more then the n64 version.
The reason why Mario looks so weird in 64 is because they had the programmers model everything on literally and metaphorically primative modelling technology as opposed to a cg artist.
The reason why DS Mario looks better despite having fewer polygons is because of the reason just stated above and because the DS could handle more image textures than the N64.
Need sm64 ds remastered for switch
I'm pretty sure the original grass textures would look very stupid if you were playing as Luigi or Yoshi
64DS does have better graphics. The character models are more detailed and more alive, the textures are less pixelated and everything has a less unsettling atmosphere.
Yay! Thank you for another Super Mario 64 DS video! 😃
More mario 64 videos and Pls longer videos like 10 minutes
are we SURE that the textures for dirt are the same resolution? I mean I know the render resolution should be the same but texture files on the N64 could have very well been smaller. the system memory for both consoles is the same but the DS card ridges can hold a lot more data than a N64 game could, stands to reason that, as long as the system memory could deal with it, one of the biggest upsides of more storage would be higher res textures.
That makes sense, but I downloaded the models and both textures where 32 x 32.
@@CafeCharlie damn, that's crazy to think they're both that small some pixelart is larger than that! interesting stuff!
yeah this is interesting. the ds version is the first one i discovered, giving me even more nostalgia than the og game, and so the textures also give me nostalgia, but its true that the green in bob-omb battlefield looks somewhat pale.
also WHY IN THE WORLD IS THE WII ON A CD??
by the way i pronounce "bob-omb", "bomomb" for some reason
That's what it looks like lol but it's actually part of the stand that it sits in. (also it's interesting how many ways there are to pronounce bob-omb)
@@CafeCharlie ok
As a resident of DS Bob-Omb battlefield, that joke was not funny, it was just extremely offensive and discriminatory. When I heard that joke I started screaming and crying for 2 hours and it's all your fault. I'm shaking and sniffling while typing this, so please refrain from making jokes like that in the future.
It’s nice to see sm64 ds again great video
Super Mario 64 DS deserves a lot more attention than the original N64 version
I always knew ds bob omb battlefield was off
as an actual artist, i'm gonna need humanity to be less obsessed with making grass hurt my eyes for a few minutes. DS looks better, end of story.
EDIT: i just realized how rude and aggressive this comment reads. woopsie didn't mean for it to be like that >w
I get that but it still looks too yellow for me, maybe a softer green color would look better.
But... mario 64 is so vibrant!!!
@@shyguy85 sometimes, grass looks better when it isn't radioactive
@@cornbreadbutcringey5723 I refuse to accept it any other way
No. I liked the originals gouraud shading technique that gave the game its unique look.
Yes imo
New vids soon? Hopefully
Yup, new video on Friday, it's another SM64 DS video and it'll be over 10 minutes long.
@@CafeCharlie yesss
Yes
What is that small 3ds on your table?
It's some little keychain I got out of a Nintendo Console mystery bag thing. Pretty lucky I got the DS lol.
I like the ds reimagining but WHERE THE FUCK IS WARIO'S SHOULDER BASH?
for real though
Excluding Mario 256 of course
Wario is pretty trash in the ds remake, because the only thing he has going for is his strength. Which is completely useless. He can throw Bombs further and run faster when carrying them, pick up shields and punch an enemy further away. But this does absolutely nothing apart from maybe against the Bullies.
A shoulder bash would've given him atleast SOMETHING to stick out.
I think your points may come across a bit better if you weren’t using footage of 64 DS with upscaled textures lol
I somehow didn't even think to make sure they weren't upscaled, my bad.
@@CafeCharlie Haha, no worries. Took me a while to notice it as well
The DS dirt is just poptart crumbs.
Also, yes, it is a bomb named bob, but I say ba bomb just because its quicker to pronounce.
How is the DS even able to to give better graphics, more stories, and more levels on inferior hardware
yes it looks better than Mario 64.
yes. long answer. YESSSSSSSSS.