I know it seems like a stupid thing to do but there is a big square metal box mounted on the pole which would cover a average person or two from getting shot in the head or body
It's surprising how long it took the crowd initially to realize gun shots were fired so close to them, then flee. Good job on Gutierrez's part by stepping up and taking assertive action to get the innocents clear and help his colleagues neutralize the threat.
@eric welsh Possibly.. that's what it seemed like. Or, they were just shell-shocked. But, NYC has its fair share of gunfire being the largest city in America
You never have been in war or gun battle ? If your say yes,m some time the brain is slow to engage that gyn firing is taking place for the average human.
It's funny that people will describe loud noises sounding like bombs and explosions. Gun fire breaks out yards/feet away from them and they don't recognize it.
They likely recognized something was happening but couldn't tell where it was coming from. There are a lot of surfaces for sound to bounce off in an area like that.
A friend of mine lived in NYC for several years. He told me that the more he got to know his neighbors, the more he liked them and his neighborhood had a real community vibe where people genuinely looked after one another. He ended up discovering that his neighborhood was known for a heavy mob presence and many of his neighbors were involved in that life. Looking back on it, he said, it made so much more sense why the neighborhood felt so close knit and why there was very little crime in that neighborhood despite crime being rampant just blocks away. The street criminals apparently knew to avoid that neighborhood. Apparently peace through strength is a real thing.
The Italian mafia/mob doesn’t go out targeting innocent civilians like the common street thug does. I’m sure those are the safest neighborhoods in the city.
@@b-radsadventures6846 yep. Born and raised in Manhattan in the 70s. The mob owned our building and yes frankly they kept our neighborhood safe. I don't mean to romanticize crime but facts are facts. And my mother always noted that the Italian mob were impeccably polite to women. They were actually very good landlords.
I like this analogy that you will never mess with a lion or a tiger. Be a lion or a tiger. Also a lot of people who train martial arts or mma tend to be the most kind and gentle people out there, they got nothing to prove and will fuck you up in seconds
Officer Gutierrez did a great job getting civilians out of the danger zone. Truly wonderful situational awareness. I hope he was recipient of a medal of valor. Cheers from Texas
He was a bit slow to make decisions. This may be his first situation of this type, but he backs off, then stands in the middle of the road before picking the smallest, flimsiest pieces of cover. Fear is normal of course, but people are also looking to him. The bystanders amazed me more. two behind the light pole, many just dawdling across the road or standing in the open. like they could not understand what was going on was real. if he was intent on harming others rather than shooting into the air, he could have killed a lot of people
@@BreakingWildGaming yeah, no one knows how they are going to act until you're in that situation. It's totally different when you're in training, using simulators or blanks... vs real life.
I think he initially backed up to be able to get a wider view of the situation, look in all directions, and spot the shooter. He didn't have the benefit of a red circle around the gunman to identify his location. He started taking care of business after he assessed the situation.
The best defense in this situation would be to run away. If you were standing on the steps firing at the guy whom is standing in the door way area ( which mostly hides him from view ) you would be the focus of police action and have a 100% chance YOU would be shot.
Amen, I'm normally on the other side against cops but this officer acted beyond what was expected. I would trust him with my life, knowing he'd have my back far more than my pushy ass could ever cover him.
The duty of EVERY Police Officer! To PROTECT and to SERVE!! MOST police officers care VERY DEEPLY about civilians, mostly because in the back of their minds, their families could easily have been in any of their situations that they encounter. They treat EVERY civilian like it was THEIR Family they are trying to protect! Ask any officer. Kudos to the officer making sure another mother went home to her family!!
I am from NYC and I am also a combat veteran (retired). When I was working as a EDC Handler in NYC, I asked them what their requirement is for shooting an armed suspect and they said they gotta wait until they within 10 feet. I told them, Expect your commander to get a body bag because for me 10 FT is definitely a death sentence. We train to shoot at 25M targets and were always taught that the maximum effective range of a 9mm is 50M. Their range in the Bronx is subpar at best. They need to be trained like the military with an actual range with targets that come up at various distances.
Thank you for your service, never forget. In a time where most are calling to cut police budgets I often worry about training and standards in all areas of policing. We can't expect our officers to be better then the level we train them too. We are failing our officers by not providing adequate training for them.
@@Brian-bd5vb The training starts at the Academy but the current curriculum they are teaching is soo outdated and it needs to be revamped to keep up with the current times.
@Jose Mercado exactly my point. And the focus on firearms training and skills is wholly lacking. Especially given all the different scenarios police have to deal with these days. Nowadays only special units have access to shoot houses and simulated ammunition. But every patrol officer, every officer who carries, every off duty and retired officer should have access to live simulated fire training scenarios. It's not just about hitting your target, but what to do before you shoot, what to do after, and team tactics. I've seen videos where it's 8 or 9 officers who justifiably so, open fire. And it's just chaos. Some run forward, some run for cover, some shout contradictory commands, some go one handed on their weapon to get on the radio WAY too soon. It's a mess, and different standards for different departments. I'm typically against big government oversight, but in this case state wide or even federal guidelines on training might help. Just to get everyone on the same page.
I was so concerned for these citizens in this video. Just standing behind whatever was near. Treat this like a fire drill. Get as far away as you can. Duck, run, dodge and repeat.
I recently got certified as a firearms instructor for my agency and it astonishes me the officers that are so out of shape they can’t do the kneeling shots require to qualify. I’ve been saying for years we need to take PT tests every year. I’m gonna hurt some feelings when we qualify again. You should be fit enough to do the job. Also we need more resources to train citizens what to do after a self defense shooting when officers arrive. My state doesn’t require a class for a carry permit.
Excellent points. Although if a citizen is going to responsibly own/carry a gun, I'd either heavily self-educate (as I did) or take a legit class for that sufficient knowledge to Begin With. But fair point about providing that knowledge to the uninitiated in such situations, sure.
I feel it man, it’s a dumb and ignorant thing in my opinion.. my state just passed the ‘assault weapons ban’. When will it be realized, that these laws only hinder law abiding citizens from adequate protection against those with no regards for laws. They use unfortunate events that catch nation-wide attention, but it only goes against us law abiding citizens which is the majority. It just doesn’t stop.. sad tbh. Idaho/where it all started, here I come!
@@navajo237 Sorry, you set up your own straw man argument. My point, which you seem to have missed, is that gun control laws do not prevent bad people from getting guns and doing bad things with them. Adding more ineffective laws would have similar results.
@@navajo237The gun laws on the books have been ineffective, otherwise people wouldn't be clammering for more of them. As I said, gun control laws do not prevent bad people from getting guns and doing bad things with them. Gun control laws do harm when they disarm responsible gun owners who do not shoot other people. Self-protection is an inalienable right which the Second Amendment recognizes. (It doesn't "allow" self-protection.) Adding ineffective laws -- emphasis on ineffective -- won't stop bad people.
I am not anti-gun, however, in a case like this, if I were concealed-carrying, I would be worried about being shot by police, just cause it may look like a gun-fight between 2 bad guys. Even the plain-clothed detective had a chance of being mistaken for the shooter.
Fair point. I conceal carry, but if I was in this situation I'd escape/evade to solid cover ASAP (like one of those vehicles), draw, and assess a Lot. Probably not even take a shot, at that distance. And especially once 1 or 2 cops showed up, I'd likely re-holster primarily for that very reason and simply let them do their Job.
If you announce yourself Cops would say 'stand down. If you don't in all that confusrion and likely echoing, chances are Cops shoot you first; you're closer
@@captaincapitalism264 Agreed. As an instructor, I try to imprint upon my students the importance of the bigger picture, situational awareness and common sense. You are absolutely right that with police presence, you want to be holstered and not appear as a threat. Many law-abiding civilians have been mistakenly shot while they were defending themselves. Never a good situation. Be safe out there. And carry every day.
I don't think, I believe she was laying down, making her a difficult target, wise thing to do when you have a shooter in your vicinity and no quick place to take cover. You may try running away but shooter might see you and decide to take a shot at you..
@@C_C_512 most people who have been in stressful situations understand you’re probably not gonna think the same. It takes experience to understand that pressure, either way training is always gonna help.
Officer had a small retreat to orient. He was not set up for anything more than a 15-20 yard. He needed to orient and move up but had to see the threat first. Great job officer. I don’t normally disagree with ASP, but in this case the officer nailed it. Too many friendlies to react and fire rather than orient first. Great job!!!
There's a lot of ways to feel about this video. My answer is love. Heartwarming love for everyone who is willing to stand in the line of fire to help others.
People freeze it’s a common reaction. They probably were worried about running in the direction of the shooter if they weren’t sure where the shots were coming from
Can confirm. Not to throw shade but as a former 11B and Army reserve soldier in NYC, I had several NYPD cops in my unit. Their performance on the range with both pistol and rifle left a lot to be desired, namely how to properly insert a magazine i.e. not backward. There were some proficient officers but I think even they would agree NYPD desperately needs more range time as a whole.
1. Perfect place for a Patrol Carbine. 2. Active shooter in close proximity to civilians is past the point of giving commands. 3. Move as team, cover sectors and priority of work. Instead of freelancing and just wondering about. 4. 3v1 fire and maneuver, in this senerio you're in the open.
As a private citizen, when you hear shots ring out, at that moment, you don’t necessarily know who is shooting at whom, who is the bad guy or who is the good guy defending others! This creates tremendous potential for misidentification of who the perpetrator is and may place one of the good guys in tremendous jeopardy! Furthermore, when police arrive on scene and see someone with a gun, they don’t know that you are a good guy, private citizen, defending the lives of others. They just see a man with a gun! Recently in Arvada, Colorado, the good guy with a gun, who was a true hero and put down a perpetrator who had just shot an Arvada police officer, was then himself killed by other police officers responding to the shooting. So, how do you get around these difficulties if more civilians are armed, especially in an urban setting?
It's called Training and situational awareness, which most of the civilians didn't have much less common sense. But did I hear right that the police shot 15 times and hit him once or were there 15 shots total? Because God bless them but that ain't great.
Yep, in this situation, the best defense in this situation would be to run away. If a good guy was standing on the steps firing at the perp whom is standing in the door way area ( which mostly hides him from view ) the good guy would be the focus of police action and would have a 100% chance of being shot.
@@wildhunter4977 Civilians with a concealed carry license practice with firearms, on average, train about 200% more often than your average police officer. Also NYPD are known to be bad shots.
Precision marksmanship at 25 yards isn't easy with a NY+ 12-pound trigger on your pistol. As far as NYPD officer Gutierrez "backing up and hanging out" goes, it appeared that he was working hard to urge civilians quickly out of the open area and under the shelter of available cover. After that, he moved forward. His immediate goals should have been to minimize danger to innocent people in the vicinity, and then lock the area down into a "static" problem where the threat couldn't go mobile. Once that's accomplished, the threat itself can be addressed, either by summoning a SWAT unit, or by the officers there on scene. Looked like a pretty professional job.
People never cease to surprise me in these situations. Playing dead on the sidewalk.? Just standing there out in the open hugging each other.? It really makes me wonder how these people grew up. What kind of sheltered life they have lived where they have absolutely zero perception of self preservation or personal safety.
Ok, so what are elderly people who can't run suppose to do in a situation like that? how about a handicap person? mentally disabled person? You're in a crowd and can't get away in time?....playing dead isn't necessarily a bad option...a girl survived a school shooting by smearing her classmates blood on her and pretending to be dead. Have you ever been shot at? I highly doubt it so you have no idea what it's like or how people will react...most people have never been shot at so it has nothing to do with being sheltered lol.
Officer Gutierrez's actions were actually spot on from my perspective. His primary objective in this instance is save lives, and he took the action that was most appropriate, provide direction to people to get the most out of harm's way the fastest. Only after that did he run towards the gunfire and even then was directing civilians to safety.
All of the SWAT teams I have been involved with in active shooter scenarios move toward the gunfire, and typically rather quickly. An interesting note is that the SWAT team from Japan (I think) did not do so. They took cover and moved slowly. That really makes it much easier for the bad guy(s) (I was playing the role of a bad guy). The other thing I noticed is that they are terrible shots.
I am just shocked at the people laying on the ground in plain sight no cover or concealment as well as the multiple people trying to hug a light pole instead of getting tf out of the danger zone. I understand shock plays a part in it but goodness gracious get out of there!
My teacher here in california at my junior college in our class Concepts of Criminal Law said that anyone who has staged a gun loaded and ready in their home is an extremely fearful person and should really consider and reevaluate themselves and why they are so fearful and should probably not be owning guns. She said she owns guns but they are all unloaded and locked up because she is not in fear someone is trying to come and get her. (edited for typos)
sounds like she's got body guards then.... Last time i checked someone kicking in your door isn't going to say timeout for you to put a round in the chamber that's like saying hey we have fire extinguishers but you'll have to assemble it before you can use it... seconds count in a life or death situation
*raises hand* "so what you're saying is that anyone who wears a seatbelt is an extremely fearful person and should really consider and reevaluate themselves and why they are so fearful and should probably not be driving cars. I drive with my seatbelt off but within arms reach in case I need it, because I'm not in fear of someone crashing into me. amirite teacher?"
that is a very insightful comment, proven out by the multiple shootings of innocent people knocking on the wrong door of a home, a car pulling into the wrong driveway, a teen mistaking a car in a parking lot as her own, and getting shot after realizing her mistake, after she was already in her own car.
My bedside gun is loaded/chambered, in a biometric lock box near my nightstand (I have little kids) the idea of having it safely away from yourself gives more reason to question a personals mental health than having a gun ready incase the worse happens. Best response I have for those types is. Do you where a seat belt? They always say yes, I then ask them do they plan to crash into someone or think that someone out there is lurking waiting to hit them? Once they connect the dots in silence it's always funny to watch their Binaray code implode.
Gutierrez, you have the heart of a lion! What an excellent example of a police officer who truly protects and serves by putting himself directly in the line of fire in order to get those civilians to safety! Wish I could buy him a couple of beers!
I honestly think that the officiers stepping back was smart. Allows them to keep a full picture of the situation as people disperse (which could easily include the person who fired the gun). Once they register the situation and understand what's happening, they then could make the right choice. What if someone who was a registered ccw reacted immediately to the actual perp and gunned them down right away? Without proper understanding of the whole situation could easily lead to one of the officiers to potentially shooting an innocent citizen.
Absolutely. The officer is of no use if he doesn't take a moment to assess the situation. I'm not talking Uvalde type of "taking a moment," but just a few seconds to see what is going on
Totally agree, he didn’t turn and run scared. He stepped back and assessed the situation, then immediately started going forward. He was brave and heroic
100%. The officer made the right move in that situation, back up and assess the scene as opposed to running in guns blazing. John and Mike are way off on this one (seems to be a recent pattern). That officer did an outstanding job.
New York state ranks 37th in gun homicide rate at 1.8 per 100,000. The top 10 are Louisiana (11.0), Mississippi (10.2), Alabama (10.5), Missouri (8.5), Maryland (7.4), S Carolina (7.4), Tennessee (6.7), Illinois (6.5), Georgia (6.2), and Arkansas (6.2). The most gun-violent states experience more than 600% the gun homicides of New York State. New York City specifically is somewhere around 3.0 per 100,000, still about 3.5X lower than the most gun-violent *states*, including their suburban and rural areas.
@@acslater017Even better than that New York State has had zero school shootings, the Northeast has close to zero school shootings despite having two states that have had permitless carry for years.
John, Im for 2A as well. But the last thing this situation needed was multiple civilians shooting (regardless where this happened, this could happen in TX and my opinion would be the same). You could get into some fog of war kind of situation among other civilians, and to law enforcement as well. Even if I was armed in that situation I would run for cover and return fire ONLY IF it was directed at me. Otherwise sitting tight and let the guys with qualified immunity take those shots (if I miss Im liable legally). I am really surprised that you gave that advice in that video.
In Virginia when I was with the DOC Tactical Support Unit we had to qualify with 96% or better, and the regular Officer only need 70% to pass. We spent a lot of our own time and money to maintain staying above that 96%, I know it’s hard for departments to find the time and money for training but it really is a must.
because New York wont let you carry guns legally. Only way to carry a gun is illegally and well, I guess New York didn't understand criminals tend to do illegal things the most.
I must say I disagree with your slight criticism of Ofc Gutierrez when the shooting starts. To me him backing away is ideal. He's got a lot of people in front of him and taking the time to identify the shooter, ensure there is only one and the moving forward as he does makes sense. It gives him more situational awareness and space to respond to the shooter and he can identify suitable cover. I'm glad he did what he did and would rather officers do this than rush in and take one in the back because they have reacted to the situation before assessing it properly.
I don't understand why the officer continues to say "Drop the gun" The perp is an apparent deadly threat to everyone around him. He should have been stopped after the first order of "drop the gun"
I'm lovin the hair!!!!! Makes me wanna grow mine out again, I got a few gray in now but you rock it well so maybe I'll give the curls a whirl again, been since the 90s lol.
Ngl. That lady that was running and fell in the road, had me rolling laffing. She jumped up and was bookn it. U know her roadrash palms and knees was burnin. 😆
Big fan of the channel. Re officerGuiterrez, looks to me he was assessing the situation. As an excop myself, I would assess the situation first rather rush into not knowing what, where the shots are coming frm, is the shooter alone or accomplice among the crowd or not.
The two people causally thinking they are hidden behind the light pole is something different
similar shape, should be fine. 😅
@@ooXChrissieXoo 😂
Yeah and when they run they suddenly find themselves a killers wet dream. STFU dude.
I know it seems like a stupid thing to do but there is a big square metal box mounted on the pole which would cover a average person or two from getting shot in the head or body
Flight or fight. Or freeze.
Officer Gutierrez did a great job of getting the civilians out of there.
I don't know how he fits those gigantic balls in his pants.
We definitely need more officers like this man.
@@RdeneckTech he prob puts his pants over his balls and then fits the balls in his pants.
was just about to comment this!
Amen.
Thank you. I am surprised that John and Mike couldn't at least have given the officer that much.
It's surprising how long it took the crowd initially to realize gun shots were fired so close to them, then flee. Good job on Gutierrez's part by stepping up and taking assertive action to get the innocents clear and help his colleagues neutralize the threat.
It's NYC. They don't know what gunfire sounds like. Probably thought it was fireworks...
@eric welsh Possibly.. that's what it seemed like. Or, they were just shell-shocked. But, NYC has its fair share of gunfire being the largest city in America
You never have been in war or gun battle ? If your say yes,m some time the brain is slow to engage that gyn firing is taking place for the average human.
It's funny that people will describe loud noises sounding like bombs and explosions. Gun fire breaks out yards/feet away from them and they don't recognize it.
They likely recognized something was happening but couldn't tell where it was coming from. There are a lot of surfaces for sound to bounce off in an area like that.
A friend of mine lived in NYC for several years. He told me that the more he got to know his neighbors, the more he liked them and his neighborhood had a real community vibe where people genuinely looked after one another. He ended up discovering that his neighborhood was known for a heavy mob presence and many of his neighbors were involved in that life. Looking back on it, he said, it made so much more sense why the neighborhood felt so close knit and why there was very little crime in that neighborhood despite crime being rampant just blocks away. The street criminals apparently knew to avoid that neighborhood. Apparently peace through strength is a real thing.
I lived in Manhattan for 25 years…your friends have seen too many mob movies.
Well thats great if it was a defensive only mob. If They were causing crime in other areas its just as trash as any criminals.
The Italian mafia/mob doesn’t go out targeting innocent civilians like the common street thug does. I’m sure those are the safest neighborhoods in the city.
@@b-radsadventures6846 yep.
Born and raised in Manhattan in the 70s. The mob owned our building and yes frankly they kept our neighborhood safe. I don't mean to romanticize crime but facts are facts. And my mother always noted that the Italian mob were impeccably polite to women. They were actually very good landlords.
I like this analogy that you will never mess with a lion or a tiger. Be a lion or a tiger. Also a lot of people who train martial arts or mma tend to be the most kind and gentle people out there, they got nothing to prove and will fuck you up in seconds
Officer Gutierrez did a great job getting civilians out of the danger zone. Truly wonderful situational awareness. I hope he was recipient of a medal of valor.
Cheers from Texas
He was a bit slow to make decisions. This may be his first situation of this type, but he backs off, then stands in the middle of the road before picking the smallest, flimsiest pieces of cover. Fear is normal of course, but people are also looking to him.
The bystanders amazed me more. two behind the light pole, many just dawdling across the road or standing in the open. like they could not understand what was going on was real. if he was intent on harming others rather than shooting into the air, he could have killed a lot of people
@@BreakingWildGaming yeah, no one knows how they are going to act until you're in that situation. It's totally different when you're in training, using simulators or blanks... vs real life.
@@crisveres2143 Well, 'bad grade' on a few finer points, anyway.
@@lovecheese45 Truer words have never been spoken.
I think he initially backed up to be able to get a wider view of the situation, look in all directions, and spot the shooter. He didn't have the benefit of a red circle around the gunman to identify his location. He started taking care of business after he assessed the situation.
So true as you always say: we are our own self-defenders.
The best defense in this situation would be to run away. If you were standing on the steps firing at the guy whom is standing in the door way area ( which mostly hides him from view ) you would be the focus of police action and have a 100% chance YOU would be shot.
@@bobroberts2371 sounds good, except you don’t really know.
Yes: only you can be your own Instant Responder.
Well done to Sgt Gutierrez getting people out at the right moments and not becoming too hyper focused!
Amen, I'm normally on the other side against cops but this officer acted beyond what was expected. I would trust him with my life, knowing he'd have my back far more than my pushy ass could ever cover him.
The way he shields her with his body at 4:46 is a nice touch. Follows her a bit to shield her( ◜‿◝ )♡
The duty of EVERY Police Officer! To PROTECT and to SERVE!! MOST police officers care VERY DEEPLY about civilians, mostly because in the back of their minds, their families could easily have been in any of their situations that they encounter. They treat EVERY civilian like it was THEIR Family they are trying to protect! Ask any officer. Kudos to the officer making sure another mother went home to her family!!
nice touch? but why didn't that btch get out of the danger zone in first place?
I am from NYC and I am also a combat veteran (retired). When I was working as a EDC Handler in NYC, I asked them what their requirement is for shooting an armed suspect and they said they gotta wait until they within 10 feet. I told them, Expect your commander to get a body bag because for me 10 FT is definitely a death sentence. We train to shoot at 25M targets and were always taught that the maximum effective range of a 9mm is 50M. Their range in the Bronx is subpar at best. They need to be trained like the military with an actual range with targets that come up at various distances.
Excellent points. Thank you for your service.
Thank you for your service, never forget.
In a time where most are calling to cut police budgets I often worry about training and standards in all areas of policing. We can't expect our officers to be better then the level we train them too. We are failing our officers by not providing adequate training for them.
@@Brian-bd5vb you need to buy your own gun and defend yourself
@@Brian-bd5vb The training starts at the Academy but the current curriculum they are teaching is soo outdated and it needs to be revamped to keep up with the current times.
@Jose Mercado exactly my point. And the focus on firearms training and skills is wholly lacking. Especially given all the different scenarios police have to deal with these days.
Nowadays only special units have access to shoot houses and simulated ammunition. But every patrol officer, every officer who carries, every off duty and retired officer should have access to live simulated fire training scenarios. It's not just about hitting your target, but what to do before you shoot, what to do after, and team tactics. I've seen videos where it's 8 or 9 officers who justifiably so, open fire. And it's just chaos. Some run forward, some run for cover, some shout contradictory commands, some go one handed on their weapon to get on the radio WAY too soon. It's a mess, and different standards for different departments. I'm typically against big government oversight, but in this case state wide or even federal guidelines on training might help. Just to get everyone on the same page.
That lady playing dead is employing my strategy in an active shooter situation. They’re going to target the runners, not the dead. Big brain move.
I was so concerned for these citizens in this video. Just standing behind whatever was near. Treat this like a fire drill. Get as far away as you can. Duck, run, dodge and repeat.
I recently got certified as a firearms instructor for my agency and it astonishes me the officers that are so out of shape they can’t do the kneeling shots require to qualify. I’ve been saying for years we need to take PT tests every year. I’m gonna hurt some feelings when we qualify again. You should be fit enough to do the job. Also we need more resources to train citizens what to do after a self defense shooting when officers arrive. My state doesn’t require a class for a carry permit.
No carbs, no sugar, + gym.
Excellent points. Although if a citizen is going to responsibly own/carry a gun, I'd either heavily self-educate (as I did) or take a legit class for that sufficient knowledge to Begin With. But fair point about providing that knowledge to the uninitiated in such situations, sure.
Should be part of the duty description, maintain physical fitness and be tested twice a year. If you fail, you have to go.
@@Brotherken1234 Really? So, what's the minimum daily requirement for carbs?
@@eldesgraciado6690 gym is minimum, should be mandatory to do bjj 4 hours a month minimum.
What? A felon illegally obtained firearms?? It's as though having laws on the books didn't stop him at all!
I feel it man, it’s a dumb and ignorant thing in my opinion.. my state just passed the ‘assault weapons ban’. When will it be realized, that these laws only hinder law abiding citizens from adequate protection against those with no regards for laws. They use unfortunate events that catch nation-wide attention, but it only goes against us law abiding citizens which is the majority. It just doesn’t stop.. sad tbh. Idaho/where it all started, here I come!
@@Wes0602 Welcome back home, my dude
@@navajo237 Sorry, you set up your own straw man argument. My point, which you seem to have missed, is that gun control laws do not prevent bad people from getting guns and doing bad things with them. Adding more ineffective laws would have similar results.
@@navajo237The gun laws on the books have been ineffective, otherwise people wouldn't be clammering for more of them. As I said, gun control laws do not prevent bad people from getting guns and doing bad things with them. Gun control laws do harm when they disarm responsible gun owners who do not shoot other people. Self-protection is an inalienable right which the Second Amendment recognizes. (It doesn't "allow" self-protection.) Adding ineffective laws -- emphasis on ineffective -- won't stop bad people.
People leave their guns around unsecured and easy to steal
Scary situation all around. Glad they were able to control the situation and save lives!
Being a cop in NYC must be like being a sheep herder
@@PyroShields
Lead does come down, when you are shooting in the air.
@Pyro Shields Pure luck
@@PyroShields 14 rounds with random, indiscriminate back stops,,, pathetic marksmanship
@@bobdavidsonm.d.7214 yeah and kills innocent people when it hits them in the head
Officer tells people to get cover and immediately runs towards the perp to diffuse the situation. Guys a stud and a rare breed. Kudos
I am not anti-gun, however, in a case like this, if I were concealed-carrying, I would be worried about being shot by police, just cause it may look like a gun-fight between 2 bad guys. Even the plain-clothed detective had a chance of being mistaken for the shooter.
I came here to say the same thing
Fair point. I conceal carry, but if I was in this situation I'd escape/evade to solid cover ASAP (like one of those vehicles), draw, and assess a Lot. Probably not even take a shot, at that distance. And especially once 1 or 2 cops showed up, I'd likely re-holster primarily for that very reason and simply let them do their Job.
@@captaincapitalism264 Very wise I’d say
If you announce yourself Cops would say 'stand down. If you don't in all that confusrion and likely echoing, chances are Cops shoot you first; you're closer
@@captaincapitalism264 Agreed. As an instructor, I try to imprint upon my students the importance of the bigger picture, situational awareness and common sense. You are absolutely right that with police presence, you want to be holstered and not appear as a threat. Many law-abiding civilians have been mistakenly shot while they were defending themselves. Never a good situation. Be safe out there. And carry every day.
Was that lady playing dead? Is that what they teach in schools now a day. Scary stuff
Her and the people hiding behind the light pole for 10 minutes are braindead. Lot's of NPCs wandering around this crime scene.
I don't think, I believe she was laying down, making her a difficult target, wise thing to do when you have a shooter in your vicinity and no quick place to take cover.
You may try running away but shooter might see you and decide to take a shot at you..
That still scary staying in that spot. I'm crawling my way to safety for sure
She needed to zig zag the heck out of there.
A girl in a school shooting did that...smeared her classmates blood on her and played dead. 11 year old from the Uvalde school shooting.
glad he didnt really want to kill anyone!
such great communication...
"DROP THE GUN" x100
where is he?
"hes right there, right there, over there, hes right there"
You can tell he’s never played a team based video game. 😂
Damn, Maybe you should join their police department so you can show them how its supposed to be done
@@C_C_512 most people who have been in stressful situations understand you’re probably not gonna think the same. It takes experience to understand that pressure, either way training is always gonna help.
I loved the Pace Picante salsa reference. Very nostalgic.
Officer had a small retreat to orient. He was not set up for anything more than a 15-20 yard. He needed to orient and move up but had to see the threat first. Great job officer. I don’t normally disagree with ASP, but in this case the officer nailed it. Too many friendlies to react and fire rather than orient first. Great job!!!
Exactly!
Precisely my thoughts too. Did they expect him to run blindly into danger without knowing where the threat was coming from?
There's a lot of ways to feel about this video. My answer is love. Heartwarming love for everyone who is willing to stand in the line of fire to help others.
Absolutely blows my mind how many people just laid on the floor. Wtf is wrong with them, get as far away as you can. Distance is your friend
People freeze it’s a common reaction. They probably were worried about running in the direction of the shooter if they weren’t sure where the shots were coming from
Nice Pace Picante reference.
Can confirm. Not to throw shade but as a former 11B and Army reserve soldier in NYC, I had several NYPD cops in my unit. Their performance on the range with both pistol and rifle left a lot to be desired, namely how to properly insert a magazine i.e. not backward. There were some proficient officers but I think even they would agree NYPD desperately needs more range time as a whole.
Probably the self respecting people already realized they don’t want to risk their own life and freedom being a cop in NYC. So you get the leftovers.
Good job Srgt making sure civilians were protected
1. Perfect place for a Patrol Carbine.
2. Active shooter in close proximity to civilians is past the point of giving commands.
3. Move as team, cover sectors and priority of work. Instead of freelancing and just wondering about.
4. 3v1 fire and maneuver, in this senerio you're in the open.
P.O. Gutierrez is a hero, he handled this incident superbly. Grateful all innocent ppl were unharmed!
The guy under the PM - top center of screen looks like he's reaaaaally moving calmly. Like "Maybe if I move super slow the gunman won't see me!"
He must have confused criminal gunmen with T-Rexes, it is a common misunderstanding.
Pure f'n Valor. Perfect technique. Those are REAL law enforcement Officers.
As a private citizen, when you hear shots ring out, at that moment, you don’t necessarily know who is shooting at whom, who is the bad guy or who is the good guy defending others! This creates tremendous potential for misidentification of who the perpetrator is and may place one of the good guys in tremendous jeopardy! Furthermore, when police arrive on scene and see someone with a gun, they don’t know that you are a good guy, private citizen, defending the lives of others. They just see a man with a gun! Recently in Arvada, Colorado, the good guy with a gun, who was a true hero and put down a perpetrator who had just shot an Arvada police officer, was then himself killed by other police officers responding to the shooting. So, how do you get around these difficulties if more civilians are armed, especially in an urban setting?
Absolutly, that's what I thought!
It's called Training and situational awareness, which most of the civilians didn't have much less common sense.
But did I hear right that the police shot 15 times and hit him once or were there 15 shots total? Because God bless them but that ain't great.
Yep, in this situation, the best defense in this situation would be to run away. If a good guy was standing on the steps firing at the perp whom is standing in the door way area ( which mostly hides him from view ) the good guy would be the focus of police action and would have a 100% chance of being shot.
@@wildhunter4977 Civilians with a concealed carry license practice with firearms, on average, train about 200% more often than your average police officer. Also NYPD are known to be bad shots.
Simple. The instant the cops arrive, you holster your weapon and keep your empty hands open.
That ASP beat goes too hard! Love the channel John and Co.!!
15 shots to hit one at 25 yards with the ability to stabilize. Incredible proficiency.
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Dude it's NYPD. The fact that it only took 15 to land 1, AND they didn't shoot any civilians, that's pretty good.
If all 15 hit, activists would be complaining " why did you shoot him so many times? Riot to-nite"
I think they were trying to let guy know they were serious about hitting him. It didn’t look like the first officer was even aiming.
@Mr. Tibs NYPD are notoriously bad shots
NEW YORK CITY?!?! The pace of that joke was perfect.
I loved it! I was thinking it before he said it and when he said it i died laughing.
Precision marksmanship at 25 yards isn't easy with a NY+ 12-pound trigger on your pistol. As far as NYPD officer Gutierrez "backing up and hanging out" goes, it appeared that he was working hard to urge civilians quickly out of the open area and under the shelter of available cover. After that, he moved forward. His immediate goals should have been to minimize danger to innocent people in the vicinity, and then lock the area down into a "static" problem where the threat couldn't go mobile. Once that's accomplished, the threat itself can be addressed, either by summoning a SWAT unit, or by the officers there on scene. Looked like a pretty professional job.
Police Officers are Awesome (for the most part). Praise God for them and their selflessness and bravery
People never cease to surprise me in these situations. Playing dead on the sidewalk.? Just standing there out in the open hugging each other.? It really makes me wonder how these people grew up. What kind of sheltered life they have lived where they have absolutely zero perception of self preservation or personal safety.
Ok, so what are elderly people who can't run suppose to do in a situation like that? how about a handicap person? mentally disabled person? You're in a crowd and can't get away in time?....playing dead isn't necessarily a bad option...a girl survived a school shooting by smearing her classmates blood on her and pretending to be dead. Have you ever been shot at? I highly doubt it so you have no idea what it's like or how people will react...most people have never been shot at so it has nothing to do with being sheltered lol.
People also love to say what WOULD do but don't really know when they are in shock
Lol those are most likely the people who voted for the politicians that won't allow a ccw in NY
All those whom you're speaking of were all wearing masks outside as well, so it really doesn't surprise me.
I saw a large puddle of blood from where she was laying
Officer Gutierrez's actions were actually spot on from my perspective. His primary objective in this instance is save lives, and he took the action that was most appropriate, provide direction to people to get the most out of harm's way the fastest. Only after that did he run towards the gunfire and even then was directing civilians to safety.
All of the SWAT teams I have been involved with in active shooter scenarios move toward the gunfire, and typically rather quickly. An interesting note is that the SWAT team from Japan (I think) did not do so. They took cover and moved slowly. That really makes it much easier for the bad guy(s) (I was playing the role of a bad guy).
The other thing I noticed is that they are terrible shots.
Practically the only person in the whole crowd with a backpack on
I am just shocked at the people laying on the ground in plain sight no cover or concealment as well as the multiple people trying to hug a light pole instead of getting tf out of the danger zone. I understand shock plays a part in it but goodness gracious get out of there!
Laying on the ground because she was playing dead. When you don't have cover left and someone is shooting, gotta figure out an alternative quickly.
My teacher here in california at my junior college in our class Concepts of Criminal Law said that anyone who has staged a gun loaded and ready in their home is an extremely fearful person and should really consider and reevaluate themselves and why they are so fearful and should probably not be owning guns. She said she owns guns but they are all unloaded and locked up because she is not in fear someone is trying to come and get her.
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sounds like she's got body guards then.... Last time i checked someone kicking in your door isn't going to say timeout for you to put a round in the chamber that's like saying hey we have fire extinguishers but you'll have to assemble it before you can use it... seconds count in a life or death situation
*raises hand* "so what you're saying is that anyone who wears a seatbelt is an extremely fearful person and should really consider and reevaluate themselves and why they are so fearful and should probably not be driving cars. I drive with my seatbelt off but within arms reach in case I need it, because I'm not in fear of someone crashing into me. amirite teacher?"
that is a very insightful comment, proven out by the multiple shootings of innocent people knocking on the wrong door of a home, a car pulling into the wrong driveway, a teen mistaking a car in a parking lot as her own, and getting shot after realizing her mistake, after she was already in her own car.
My bedside gun is loaded/chambered, in a biometric lock box near my nightstand (I have little kids) the idea of having it safely away from yourself gives more reason to question a personals mental health than having a gun ready incase the worse happens. Best response I have for those types is. Do you where a seat belt? They always say yes, I then ask them do they plan to crash into someone or think that someone out there is lurking waiting to hit them? Once they connect the dots in silence it's always funny to watch their Binaray code implode.
Feeling safe, and being safe are 2 completely different things. Crazy a lot of people don't understand this
I love brave men like these guys.
Thx for the content brother🤘🏼🇺🇸
This is the first Dominican that I see acting wild. Usually, they are mad chill.
I thought this looked like the place with the officer shooting where the homeless man saved the hostage.
I noticed that too
PROFESSIONAL LEVEL ACTIVATED! My Goodness!
Gutierrez, you have the heart of a lion! What an excellent example of a police officer who truly protects and serves by putting himself directly in the line of fire in order to get those civilians to safety! Wish I could buy him a couple of beers!
The location is the Cathedral of Saint John the Divine in Manhattan.
I honestly think that the officiers stepping back was smart. Allows them to keep a full picture of the situation as people disperse (which could easily include the person who fired the gun). Once they register the situation and understand what's happening, they then could make the right choice. What if someone who was a registered ccw reacted immediately to the actual perp and gunned them down right away? Without proper understanding of the whole situation could easily lead to one of the officiers to potentially shooting an innocent citizen.
Fair points. Reading your comment, I thought of another possibility: what if he was assessing to make sure there wasn't more than 1 shooter?
Absolutely. The officer is of no use if he doesn't take a moment to assess the situation. I'm not talking Uvalde type of "taking a moment," but just a few seconds to see what is going on
Totally agree, he didn’t turn and run scared. He stepped back and assessed the situation, then immediately started going forward. He was brave and heroic
100%. The officer made the right move in that situation, back up and assess the scene as opposed to running in guns blazing. John and Mike are way off on this one (seems to be a recent pattern). That officer did an outstanding job.
Ain't no way that lady acted like she was dead and it actually worked. She is using the Goat play dead defence strats. 😂
Are we sure this is in NYC? Im pretty sure they have laws about concealing weapons and about having weapons on church property.
New York state ranks 37th in gun homicide rate at 1.8 per 100,000.
The top 10 are Louisiana (11.0), Mississippi (10.2), Alabama (10.5), Missouri (8.5), Maryland (7.4), S Carolina (7.4), Tennessee (6.7), Illinois (6.5), Georgia (6.2), and Arkansas (6.2).
The most gun-violent states experience more than 600% the gun homicides of New York State. New York City specifically is somewhere around 3.0 per 100,000, still about 3.5X lower than the most gun-violent *states*, including their suburban and rural areas.
@@acslater017 thanks for the wiki siri.
@@acslater017Even better than that New York State has had zero school shootings, the Northeast has close to zero school shootings despite having two states that have had permitless carry for years.
Pace picante sauce is made in New York City… New York City!?!?!? Hahaha I remember that commercial
Good job officers, now go after mr krabs for selling SpongeBob
Bummer when your only cover is a lamp post
It's so obvious these two "hosts" are in LOVE😂
Officer Gutierrez deserves a Medal of Valor for endangering himself to get those civilians out of harm's way.
John, Im for 2A as well. But the last thing this situation needed was multiple civilians shooting (regardless where this happened, this could happen in TX and my opinion would be the same). You could get into some fog of war kind of situation among other civilians, and to law enforcement as well. Even if I was armed in that situation I would run for cover and return fire ONLY IF it was directed at me. Otherwise sitting tight and let the guys with qualified immunity take those shots (if I miss Im liable legally).
I am really surprised that you gave that advice in that video.
Such a beautiful building.
Glad to see those New York gun laws working out so well
In Virginia when I was with the DOC Tactical Support Unit we had to qualify with 96% or better, and the regular Officer only need 70% to pass. We spent a lot of our own time and money to maintain staying above that 96%, I know it’s hard for departments to find the time and money for training but it really is a must.
The guys taking “cover” behind a lamppost…
and seems to be some dude just strolling around off to the left ! think it was just a citizen
The nyc's silly requirement to have ridiculously weighted triggers certainly does not help Marksmanship
Who knows, he might've actually dropped the gun if he kept telling him to.
Those officers are rockin' Smith & Wesson 3rd gen guns. Sweet guns and that is a testament to their 30+ year durability.
Also a testament to NYPD's inability to properly equip officers.
Steel frame pistols that have been out of production for 25 years? FFS...
Why people don't carry firearms is beyond me. This would literally be uber rare!
Because its NYC, where only criminals can carry a gun
the year 2020 in nyc? yeah almost impossible to be a citizen legally carrying a firearm in Manhattan. the criminals on the other hand have free reign.
because New York wont let you carry guns legally. Only way to carry a gun is illegally and well, I guess New York didn't understand criminals tend to do illegal things the most.
...at least this individual, with multiple felonies, went through one of the most stringent background checks to get these firearms...thanks Kathy!
Leave all states and cities that abridge your rights. NYC is one of those.
or stay and fight for them
@@earthwormandruw they're lost. Best to reinforce those places that haven't gone mad.
Aw
the old folk that clearly couldnt boogie on out of there and his buddy stayed to help them out . Props
Where did the other 14 rounds end up? (Not really need an answer... just hard to believe the hit percent on a 25 yard shot
respect to the cop who used him self as a human shield
I must say I disagree with your slight criticism of Ofc Gutierrez when the shooting starts. To me him backing away is ideal. He's got a lot of people in front of him and taking the time to identify the shooter, ensure there is only one and the moving forward as he does makes sense. It gives him more situational awareness and space to respond to the shooter and he can identify suitable cover.
I'm glad he did what he did and would rather officers do this than rush in and take one in the back because they have reacted to the situation before assessing it properly.
That's is St. John Divine Church. It was where they held James Gandolphinis funeral in 2013. This officer saved a lot of lives. Hero.
nice to see bystanders actually take cover
1:04 there’s always that one girl that falls when running from danger
Lol I was thinking that would be me. In my dreams when I am in danger I always freeze. Now that I am older I would probably have a heart attack
Excellent “Pace” reference!
I used to work across the street from where this happened. I still work close to there. Totally forgot about this
Nice job boys. A+
I don't understand why the officer continues to say "Drop the gun" The perp is an apparent deadly threat to everyone around him. He should have been stopped after the first order of "drop the gun"
Lots to criticize here, but Gutierrez is a hero in my book.
Good job guys .
I think it's the 60 pound trigger weight required for NYPD officer side arms causing all the misses
Got that product goin on! Must be drankin that bud light!
He doen't know how many assailants he and his partners are dealing with... he did good to lure the public away safely!!!
Good shots and lots of shots are definitely different. I get vary focused and conserve ammo with hits. Thanks for your channel.
Love the new video outlook...
The people hanging around there were like NPCs until the officer got them to leave the place.
6:14 I have been waiting decades for someone to get this reference when I say it.
There are 2 versions of the commercial, be sure to see both.
@@bobroberts2371 Stranger, I hope you can beat a full house.
i love it when you say the head shot was fatal
Props to the musician who wanted to keep playing...like he was on the Titanic or something! lol
Great work by Gutierrez getting people off site. Seemed cool headed and didn’t have to use tons of profanity to get his point across.
Wow. 1 out or 15. Those old church doors and granite stones made a good backdrop.
the people behind the light pole is crazy
Once again the perp runs the show
I like the couple in the jacket, standing up, hiding behind a little pole..peeking out to see whats going on.
The number of civilians that keep themselves in the danger zone is astounding. Run Forest run!
Gutierrez is a freaking Hero!
I'm lovin the hair!!!!! Makes me wanna grow mine out again, I got a few gray in now but you rock it well so maybe I'll give the curls a whirl again, been since the 90s lol.
Ngl. That lady that was running and fell in the road, had me rolling laffing. She jumped up and was bookn it. U know her roadrash palms and knees was burnin. 😆
Big fan of the channel. Re officerGuiterrez, looks to me he was assessing the situation. As an excop myself, I would assess the situation first rather rush into not knowing what, where the shots are coming frm, is the shooter alone or accomplice among the crowd or not.