I was in a master class where he was to "teach." He walked about and among the student orchestra players asking and telling giving fingerlings, having groups play together and alone, never raising his arms, used a nod, an eyebrow to get them to play. Accomplished giving the players help and improving passages, sounds. Like a good H.S. Orchestra teacher. It was an object lesson about what is most important, not how you wave a stick. He was kind and considerate. IMO, a great conductor, a fine man.
Karajan was the best and greatest conductor. He saw details that other great conductors didn't/don't see. Not only was he a great conductor, his music videos are among the very best. Videos that he art directed and edited himself. In composing, there were Mozart and Beethoven, in conducting, there was Karajan.
Previously when one has seen Karajan in all his videos of symphonic works and concert recordings he obviously wanted to create an impression of himself as being rather rigid and despotic. On the other hand here, while still being authoritative, he is nevertheless incredibly relaxed and quite delightful and absolutely charming in his body language and movement. Pity that this more endearing side to him was not so conspicuous during his public performances.
I always heard that Karajan was a selfish bastard with big ego......here, I see a very serious conductor who knows perfectly how to interprete a score and has no fear to say it, he is strong but for the sake of music.
Con que claridad Karajan nos enseña la diferencia entre un "stacatto" y un " legato" y nos deja la sensacion de un " obstinato" usando-nada menos que de conejillo de indias a su primer violin de la mejor orquesta en su tiempo. Claramente un maestro para quien tenga la paciencia de ver este video y extrar valiosas lecciones de el.
keep in mind that this is is a professional orchestra, keeping up the with the conductors interpretation/directions and acting upon them immediately, is required of the job. Even most high school orchestras and bands students must keep up with stylistic and other changes on the fly.
Es el video que mas me ha gustado ver de los que he visto en youtube, y sin saber traducir completamente los subtitulos, pero ver a este maestro trabajando me a sumergido en la manera de perfeccionar los sonidos para su maravillosa perspectiva musical.
Nonostante la qualitàscadente di questi video di Clouzot, emerge chiara la sapienza di Karajan di giungere subito al punto rilevante di un passo e di trasmettere all'orchestra (in questo caso i Wiener Symphoniker, coi quali non aveva un rapporto stretto) COME bisogna suonare.
@deiyeiG: Pretty close. Usually in the last rehearsal before a performance or recording, the conductor rehearses the orchestra on those parts that either have proved troublesome or in which the character of the piece needs to be brought out more/less. It's just touching up on something that's probably perfect already, but just making sure. :)
I note some comments about some sloppily played passages (relative to world class standards, obviously) but I think it's important to note the type of interpreter Karajan was... he was generally more concerned with getting a beautiful tone out of an orchestra and a sense of lyricism and legato... he wasn't a precision conductor... compare his reading of this particular symphony with George Szell, to see what I mean... under Szell's baton, the Cleveland Orchestra plays with knife-edge precision and discipline; every passage played perfectly... I don't think one is necessarily more or less valid than the other. Both result in a compelling performance of the work. I personally prefer Szell's approach and the Clevelanders' playing style to that of Karajan/Vienna but that's just a matter of individual taste... Karajan was clearly a great and major conductor
teaching first violinms in the best orchestra the difference between staccato and legato ? can his genious may just be his ability to observe the simple that nobody ever tried to see ?
Just if they are ignorant musicians, because the things which Karajan rehearse are really important in the sound that he wants to get. And in one piece like this all the time the first violins have the melody, for that reason Karajan all the time go to them...
Karajan was quite the showman, but at his best he was great. Plus he looks a little like Brad Pitt. I dig his conducting in this excerpt, but his comments all seem rather staged. Note how he talks and immediately conducts with no preparation and those musicians don't miss a beat.
i agree and i think there was a reason. i think this production was more for the audience than for the musicians. For people to see how a rehearsal process works. Sort of like Bernstein's lecture/performance?
That's certainly true. But before Karajan started working with the Vienna Symphony (this orchestra here) they had a much worse reputation and also their quality of playing improved under him so that they gained a better reputation in Vienna where they had been viewed a 2nd class orchestra compared to the VPO before. This had already happened at the time when this film was made (he was already principal conductor of the BPO and didn't work regularly with this orchestra anymore) So there also must be a conductor who is able to tell the musicians the right things how to play. And in that Karajan seems to have had some success. IMO he was one of the best conductors in explaining how he wanted a phrase or a motive to sound. That's why his sound is so different and distinctive from every other conductor.
wie er immer schnauft oder stöhnt oder irgendwas dazwischen ab 3:15 wenn die post abgeht :D sicher muss er sich sehr zusammenreißen, dass er nicht auch im konzert auch auditiv so mitgeht :D
Hat er in der Tat häufiger gemacht. Hört man auch z.B. auf dem Teaser zu der 4. Brahms auf dem Kanal der Berliner Philharmoniker. Oder auch zum Beispiel bei einer CD Aufnahme aus den 70ern im Finale der 2. Brahms, bevor die 1. Geigen in der Reprise mit dem Hauptthema einsetzen.
This whole performance by Karajan is purely for the camera.It would take a whole week just to rehearse the first movement at this rate.The start of his pure nepotism with regards to his control over Deutsche Grammophon and the Berlin Philharmonic.At the end of the day he was just very good.Nothing more nothing less.
After all the maestro is the one responsible for the interpretation.Almost all major conductors have videos in rehearsal , e.g. Böhm rehearsing Don Juan .. Check it out
True. But! The man is clearly advertising himself. This is a polite way of saying that he is humiliating his colleagues. We are talking about human nature, Dear Friend. God bless you. Amen
I hardly need to check other conductors. What I see here is appalling . If other conductors practice the same humiliation with musicians twice their age, so? Two wrongs can never make one right. Peace and Love, Dear Brother
There is no humiliation. You just don't like Karajan's way, that's it. It's fine. Language can't express all of our experiences. Many people today see any useful correction as an attack to their egos. There is no need for that.
All these ideas and putting them together but I still don't feel the power of the music and the orchestra playing together as one sound as you do with Toscanini and Toscanini and Toscanini........the only 3 conductors ever.
I was in a master class where he was to "teach." He walked about and among the student orchestra players asking and telling giving fingerlings, having groups play together and alone, never raising his arms, used a nod, an eyebrow to get them to play. Accomplished giving the players help and improving passages, sounds. Like a good H.S. Orchestra teacher. It was an object lesson about what is most important, not how you wave a stick. He was kind and considerate. IMO, a great conductor, a fine man.
Karajan was the best and greatest conductor. He saw details that other great conductors didn't/don't see. Not only was he a great conductor, his music videos are among the very best. Videos that he art directed and edited himself. In composing, there were Mozart and Beethoven, in conducting, there was Karajan.
偉大な指揮者カラヤンの創る音楽はもちろんですが、指揮をしている姿もまた、魅力的です！
このリハーサルも、惹き込まれてしまいます!
ひとつひとつの音に生命を込めているのですね!
The sound and the fury, signifying everything.
Previously when one has seen Karajan in all his videos of symphonic works and concert recordings he obviously wanted to create an impression of himself as being rather rigid and despotic. On the other hand here, while still being authoritative, he is nevertheless incredibly relaxed and quite delightful and absolutely charming in his body language and movement. Pity that this more endearing side to him was not so conspicuous during his public performances.
He is a German man anyway, so he used to work very proudly and serious so much..!
Wunderbar diese Arbeit, ein Traum, man möchte fast sagen..... schon eine Probe war ein Erlebnis....
@@nicolecourtois5228 Austrian, not German.
I always heard that Karajan was a selfish bastard with big ego......here, I see a very serious conductor who knows perfectly how to interprete a score and has no fear to say it, he is strong but for the sake of music.
Stunning!
Con que claridad Karajan nos enseña la diferencia entre un "stacatto" y un " legato" y nos deja la sensacion de un " obstinato" usando-nada menos que de conejillo de indias a su primer violin de la mejor orquesta en su tiempo. Claramente un maestro para quien tenga la paciencia de ver este video y extrar valiosas lecciones de el.
those were lucky musicians. they were taught by a greatest conductor ever
Truly a "maestro"
🎶 Wunderbar 🎶
keep in mind that this is is a professional orchestra, keeping up the with the conductors interpretation/directions and acting upon them immediately, is required of the job. Even most high school orchestras and bands students must keep up with stylistic and other changes on the fly.
Es el video que mas me ha gustado ver de los que he visto en youtube, y sin saber traducir completamente los subtitulos, pero ver a este maestro trabajando me a sumergido en la manera de perfeccionar los sonidos para su maravillosa perspectiva musical.
Nonostante la qualitàscadente di questi video di Clouzot, emerge chiara la sapienza di Karajan di giungere subito al punto rilevante di un passo e di trasmettere all'orchestra (in questo caso i Wiener Symphoniker, coi quali non aveva un rapporto stretto) COME bisogna suonare.
Master clases!!!
no hay que olvidar que tambien en director esta con una orquesta muy buena!
@deiyeiG: Pretty close. Usually in the last rehearsal before a performance or recording, the conductor rehearses the orchestra on those parts that either have proved troublesome or in which the character of the piece needs to be brought out more/less. It's just touching up on something that's probably perfect already, but just making sure. :)
I couldn't agree more...
I note some comments about some sloppily played passages (relative to world class standards, obviously) but I think it's important to note the type of interpreter Karajan was... he was generally more concerned with getting a beautiful tone out of an orchestra and a sense of lyricism and legato... he wasn't a precision conductor... compare his reading of this particular symphony with George Szell, to see what I mean... under Szell's baton, the Cleveland Orchestra plays with knife-edge precision and discipline; every passage played perfectly... I don't think one is necessarily more or less valid than the other. Both result in a compelling performance of the work. I personally prefer Szell's approach and the Clevelanders' playing style to that of Karajan/Vienna but that's just a matter of individual taste... Karajan was clearly a great and major conductor
He is the BEST.
You don't understand his art
teaching first violinms in the best orchestra the difference between staccato and legato ?
can his genious may just be his ability to observe the simple that nobody ever tried to see ?
that's professional.
Just if they are ignorant musicians, because the things which Karajan rehearse are really important in the sound that he wants to get. And in one piece like this all the time the first violins have the melody, for that reason Karajan all the time go to them...
HvK! That's a cool nickname!
I thought he was saying he was not using their change, but it was a little hard to tell.
S. g. Hr. Stresemann,
Koennten Sie bitte konkreter erklaeren wie Sie zu dieser Einschaetzung kommen?
quale attenzione alla musicalita
没有中文翻译好遗憾，好喜欢看他排练现场。卡拉扬简直是神一样的存在
agreed
Karajan was quite the showman, but at his best he was great. Plus he looks a little like Brad Pitt.
I dig his conducting in this excerpt, but his comments all seem rather staged. Note how he talks and immediately conducts with no preparation and those musicians don't miss a beat.
i agree and i think there was a reason. i think this production was more for the audience than for the musicians. For people to see how a rehearsal process works. Sort of like Bernstein's lecture/performance?
Гений
御芸術ですこれが
Все эти восторга по поводу гениальности нуждаются в очень важном уточнении:работать нужно с оркестром ,естественно обладая талантом
That's certainly true. But before Karajan started working with the Vienna Symphony (this orchestra here) they had a much worse reputation and also their quality of playing improved under him so that they gained a better reputation in Vienna where they had been viewed a 2nd class orchestra compared to the VPO before. This had already happened at the time when this film was made (he was already principal conductor of the BPO and didn't work regularly with this orchestra anymore)
So there also must be a conductor who is able to tell the musicians the right things how to play.
And in that Karajan seems to have had some success.
IMO he was one of the best conductors in explaining how he wanted a phrase or a motive to sound.
That's why his sound is so different and distinctive from every other conductor.
ein seltsamer mann! [stresemann,intendant des bpho]
NO this is awesome, why comment on something you no nothing about.
Of course of course I kid I kid
Una macchina da guerra.
He agrees with their concept but does not use their instrumentation but sticks to the original one
Ja, die Ansicht ist insofern berechtigt, als man ihm immer nachgesagt hat, bei ihm merke man, dass Dirigieren auch körperlich anstrengend ist.:)
micidiale,che mente
wie er immer schnauft oder stöhnt oder irgendwas dazwischen ab 3:15 wenn die post abgeht :D sicher muss er sich sehr zusammenreißen, dass er nicht auch im konzert auch auditiv so mitgeht :D
Hat er in der Tat häufiger gemacht.
Hört man auch z.B. auf dem Teaser zu der 4. Brahms auf dem Kanal der Berliner Philharmoniker.
Oder auch zum Beispiel bei einer CD Aufnahme aus den 70ern im Finale der 2. Brahms, bevor die 1. Geigen in der Reprise mit dem Hauptthema einsetzen.
Irritated? Aber der Karajan hat ja Recht! ;-)
The used video coverter is seriously disrespecting Karajan and Schumann! An irreverence!
This whole performance by Karajan is purely for the camera.It would take a whole week just to rehearse the first movement at this rate.The start of his pure nepotism with regards to his control over Deutsche Grammophon and the Berlin Philharmonic.At the end of the day he was just very good.Nothing more nothing less.
Ещё националист и наци Караянис из Македонии ?
He was arrested in 1945.
?? WHO??
how and why could you rehearse a rehearsal
Does he need to advertise himself at the expense of experienced musicians? Typical of some people.
After all the maestro is the one responsible for the interpretation.Almost all major conductors have videos in rehearsal , e.g. Böhm rehearsing Don Juan .. Check it out
True. But!
The man is clearly advertising himself.
This is a polite way of saying that he is humiliating his colleagues. We are talking about human nature, Dear Friend. God bless you. Amen
I hardly need to check other conductors. What I see here is appalling . If other conductors practice the same humiliation with musicians twice their age, so? Two wrongs can never make one right. Peace and Love, Dear Brother
What is it here that you find appalling??
There is no humiliation. You just don't like Karajan's way, that's it. It's fine. Language can't express all of our experiences.
Many people today see any useful correction as an attack to their egos. There is no need for that.
All these ideas and putting them together but I still don't feel the power of the music and the orchestra playing together as one sound as you do with Toscanini and Toscanini and Toscanini........the only 3 conductors ever.
no
the first violinist must be REALLY irritated.