He himself is a incident to this country. Firstly make him to pay tax. For employees laws are shit 💩💩💩 and this companies are treated above the laws only for generating jobs? Indian laws are 💩💩💩
Narayan Murthy is counting his billions of dollars and has a policy of not even reimbursing death certificate cost of 10 dollars when his employees die trying to work for 70 hours per week. Still gives 25 thousand rupee salary to engineers and snatches 800 towards his wife charity forcibly. What a disgrace
Not only in big 4, Most of the employees in the private sector are facing stress and anxiety due to toxic work culture in our country. Work days needs to be reduced. Govt should implement strict laws.
some of the employees who have the attitude of sticking up to their bosses and sitting up till late in the office. sooner this has gotten normalised and it is affecting even those who dont want to work till late.
Not just the private sector. Even in public sector banks, work load issue is a major problem. Judging peoples productivity by amount of time spent is the main reason. In Banking most of the employees believe that there is no concept of max working hours.
My brother works for Barclays pune as a financial consultant.. He logs in at 10am and works till 3am...still does not achieve his target..... One of his colleagues has to see a psychiatrist due to overload...i told my brother to leave job... But fear of unemployment is so much they can't make that decision and affect their health... It's the overall story of india... Work life balance has to be made properly. ... If barclays hr seeing this please ask your manager to look into the workload of their people
HR and all won't do anything. They will just follow the management instructions. All they care about is profits and only profits. It's the government which should regulate all of this.
@@askm7649 Do you really think our labour minister will do anything about this???🤭😂😂 He will use this opportunity to make money from EY. Law and order is a joke in India.
Ohh common i am from Barclays.. in finance and bm. it's by far thousands of times better than any corporate office.. it's very considerate of the employee's mental health.. They have the best HR policy for your mental health. If he directly connect with the HR team they will resolve it. I have seen both side of the coin
So true.. Like Arun Giri mentioned in the interview.. In India voters are forgivers... same way we forget too easily and someone has to pay the price to remind us again of the unfortunate incident, life taking bad system, corrupt people running those systems and so on... Pity.. 😒
Ethics forum is a waste solution. I have encountered harassment, high pressure, discrimination, and bias from EY management. I reported this horrific incident to the ethics team, but without providing a solution, they closed the case and continued to target and harass me. I also reported it to CEO Carmine Di Sibio, Rajiv Memani, Sreekanth Arimanithaya, and Jaya Virwani, providing all the evidence-emails, call records, chat screenshots, etc.-but they concealed the issue and closed the case. It has been a truly traumatizing experience, and I do not recommend EY to anyone. When I reported harassment, fraud, bias, discrimination, toxic culture, and injustice to Sreenivasa Rao, Jaya Virwani, Rajiv Memani, Carmine Di Sibio, and Sreekanth Arimanithaya, they blocked me on all social media platforms. Imagine the trauma and anxiety I have faced. If you report any incident, they won’t take action; they don’t value human life.
Is this in EY india ?. Now I seriously think they are practicing slavery under that mask of a Brand. Because I have seen the Bloody HR in a big US brand in India cover up a Posh case , and hide it from the directors & Internal committee.
Salute u for your courage! When an organization does this, u know they are not worth working for, no matter how big a reputation it has. Pick up your self-respect and leave!
Thank you for showing the courage to stand up against the perpetrators. If they dont want to clean up the company it is their problem. And thanks for letting the public know about this so that other prospective employees also know about it. Please share this in as many platforms as possible for the benefit of youngsters.
Yes it's all BS sp at EY. Managers come ato know and screws your life. HR will meet you twice when u join and when u leave. They get appraisal based on yoga sessions they do online.
I did quit in 9 months. Pressure to complete some useless video Tutorial after work hours. And it keeps adding in every month. Working hours are 9 to 10 hours a day. Plus you have meeting every week even outside of working hours again..
My daughter recently quit from ACCENTURE for the same reason. We reported issues to their HR . (We know that No company is going to accept their flaws rather they put all blames to the employee. Also we know that Proving threatening, abusive, or harassing behavior in a company is challenging ) Continuing at the same company after complaining about a manager would be disastrous . So I advised my daughter to quit !!
I so agree with u. I left a well paying job coz of the DHR n the whole HR team, who targeted me to such n extent that I had anxiety attacks n went into depression. But on complaining it was said that u hv to perform. U r incompetent n unable 5o handle pressure. Wow!! That just did it I did not want to be hospitalized with a Mental breakdown or Heart Attack. Though did have many medical issues.
Few months back Australia passed a law that gives the employees the right to disconnect their bosses after working hours but here in India, we are expected to work after working hours by default
We have the same law in Canada; as a manager I cannot call my employees after work hours; we have to wait till next day to tell them anything or assign a task; it is a good thing because they get time with their families in the evening.
Worked for EY for 7yrs. Quit Apr 2024. But I noticed the culture got toxic in the last 1-2yrs of my tenure. Two senior managers too passed away before i left, one of them whom i sat around in the cubicles. Told my self i this needed to change and resigned. The pressure is high, work is micro-managed. Every minute you work for needs to tracked with proper work description and unique codes & action taken for any improper tracking is severe. Breaks the staffs morale. Things need to change. They need to fire the Sr. Managers and replace them with better talent. Pray Anna’s soul rests in peace.
Request to media please highlight IT toxic culture as well … it’s not only CAs who are only suffering … bank employees , IT employees are also going through the same path….
Clever people would leave India because of toxic work culture. In Europe there are strong employees unions and companies don't get to exploit workers 👍🏻
@@Passionate-i2m the counterparts working for the same company in Europe don't work like this. They take WLB seriously. I have experience in the product based company in India. Our counterparts in other nations are too strict on work life balance. Here people will work till late at night.
@@Passionate-i2m which explains why labour unions are necessary. companies are not inherently "good". they're in it for the profit and they'll look after only their company's profiteering interests. so workers need unions to be strong enough to look after themselves
What Arun said is bang on. While working there some years back in EY GDS, there was a marked shift towards driving numbers. Work culture in EY india has gone abyssmally low.. one of the managers in the business enablemment services division was asking to work on Christmas holidays as well even when they knew no clients will be there and when leaves were informed one month in advance. HR does not have the spine to question them or they play up to the business division head. Even though they tout about open culture, nobody speaks due to fear of reprissals. Politics, Favouritsm, Cronyism, Manipulation - see everything with this manager. i have seen people fainting, having mental issues and all. Nothing will happen, they will cover up their tracks. An eloquent letter will be sent to employees - we deeply are concerned about your well being". their employee survey is a joke. when the results come the line managers and team members get the brunt and are made to feel guilty for haing provided the feedback! Feel better that i resigned the most toxic culture. STay away from the GDS Enablement functions. Prioritise your health.
It's not only about the Big4 CA companies. This toxic culture exist most of the private companies in India. They are quite common in India becuase there's no government intervention into this.
I agree... Its also time the government to set rules that will allow us to disconnect from work after office hours... We should be allowed complete me time and family time.
I hope Government takes strict actions this time instead of brushing this away like previous deaths. It high time now that STRICT ACTIONS against such abusive culture should be taken.
Company officials or her colleagues not attending her funeral just rubbed salt into the family's wounds. What does the Management/Manager have to say about that?
They wouldn't give anyone leave, to attend the funeral. To the senior management, it's just 'another one bites the dust', let's interview for a replacement. They'll never feel it until it happens to them.
My former reporting manager Nisha created toxic work culture. She abused her position of authority and harrassed team members. There are many such shameless individuals in corporates.
@@Lakshmipriya-hc1wmWell, may be he want to ensure justice even at the cost of jail, so that the future employees can have a better work life balance.
There is no unemployment in India as it is highlighted....the basic problem is 10 peoples job is done by 2 people...Modi government has very good opportunity to trap this problem...and decrease the problem of unemployment along with less pressure on the employees...Modi hai to mumkin hai...
Modi doesn't care about middle class... Most job goers are middle class People in low level corporate jobs generally have work life balance Only these so called high level jobs which will only give increment if company makes good profits practice soul-wrenching methods of work
Why was that manager giving work late in night that needs submission in the morning, I don't understand what pressure from upper management will make a manager to assign tasks during night and ask for completion during morning, I really don't understand top down pressure contributing to this mess It's only see an abusive manager who doesn't know how to handle a hard working employee Please teach leads and managers in organisations to respect each other and not exploit their counterparts This is unacceptable
Yes, this is also a type of workplace harrasment. Faced it in 2 of my jobs - one by a supervisor, another by one pretending to be a supervisor, coz he was buddy-buddy with my reporting mgr.
Since Anna was a fresher, it is sad she did not know whom or how to approach. Or where to draw the line and say 'enough is enough!' The HR should be actively looking into the fresh hires' status at work - using simple language, without their HR jargons. She certainly was a hardworking employee. That's why 'stuff' was dumped on her. And the guy is simply ruthless and guilty. Her parents' ordeal 💔
This typically happens when chamchas are promoted as managers. They dont have a structured way of dividing the work, and their mistakes are passed down to the team members as tight deadline like giving the work while leaving the office and asking it to be completed before next day morning.
I lost my job even after working for 12 hours a day (at Amazon India). My assistant manager called everything as 'urgent' task. And at the end I was put into PIP and shown the door. Bottom Line: Employees' life don't matter to management!
It's the leadership doing...I am working there and I know how toxic it is.. it is very easy to quit but we do have family and many responsibilities, so quitting is not an easy decision 😢
But bro I don't think any family, especially parents want their kids chronically stressed and end up dying for sm corpo company that can replace you immediately.
I left my last job due to sexual harrasment & politics. It's so sad that even after complain nobody helps because they are kind of in a team saving each other. I haven't healed from it yet. Scared to join any company 😢
EY do have several well being program for sure but u cannot attend those well being program as u will never have a time to attend those programs due to deadline
@@dom4068 no amex is a very good company. None of the employee work for more than 5 hours. We get paid for extra time and if it's national holiday they pay us double pay
Thank you mama for your letter and I’m so sorry for your loss. My 26 year old daughter quit her 3 year job at KPMG after reading this. I’ve never been prouder
It's not just Big4, it's overall culture in MNC, Pvt sector - be it consultancy, IT, Banks,....esp; for CAs, Engineers, Medical professionals...even the construction-site workers India & China have the obsession to work like anything, as there are no laws for non Public-sector employees for well-being of employees Government are only to tap taxes of middle-class people, but have no laws to protect the Pvt sector employees. Also, when they are laid-off, they have no guarantee for Job-security. The pay-scale in India is quite low to Western-countries, so instead of making 1 employee work for 18 hours a day, hire 2 people to work 9 hours a day - why so much of obsession with Profitablity?
These mindless, narcissistic and sadistic CEOs must not be romanticized in society. There should not be hero worship at all. They demand 84 work week, pay pennies to their employees vis-a-vis their salaries and ruin their the personal life of their employees. I worked at Accenture and my boss was an asshole. He used to humiliate me in front of others, giving me workload of 3 persons, made me work 12-14 hours a day and didn't appreciate my efforts even once. Its been 3 years since i left that job and it still gives me anxiety when i think about that experience. People like him must be called out, shamed in public and made to pay for their actions.
Same with me but it was a 50 year old chinese boss in Malaysia it was both jealousy and racism which caused friction, I was relieved when I left that job and went to a new one.
The same thing has happened to the profession of Banking. Originally meant to be a custodian of people's wealth & advisor of financial well-being, the profession has now been degraded to an absolute fraud where nothing counts other than fees, revenue & targets. Shame....!!
You brought up a big point that is ignored by most. One possibility of putting lot of pressure on the freshers might be to induce some mistakes from them, so that they can blame the new employee and escape. This might take away the value of audit altogether. We saw this in Satyam scam.
Not only Big 4s.. it happens with majority of the company's who service other nation's.. they are just another east India company..US people are smart enough to get their services done by Indians and manufacturing by china.
It's not fault of US, It's fault of our own greedy country businessmen who exploit poor people for peanut salary and we just blame US. What's government doing? See remarks of FM
Call the ceo of that company , unless these companies r punished this toxic work culture will not stop. Sir listen to body first , however young the body loses battle of overwork stress .
Right to disconnect after 8 hrs like Australia, canada policies to be implemented in India... All corporate employees should raise there voice... Mr Murthy come out please
Govt is more focused on increasing their earnings by putting more tax. They don’t care about our people. Not implementing rules to take care of people working in private sectors. In short there is no strict labour law for people.
Why only the big 4. This is happening with all the pvt companies. In a software company, we used to work 110 hrs per week. Employees were give only 4 hrs to sleep. No weekends, no holidays. We used to take aspirin on a daily basis to reduce chest pain.
Private companies should be strictly scrutinised this shouldn't be allowed it is a call to central government to act and implement strict laws against these companies
This goes beyond the CA spectrum. I am a doctor and even at AIIMS, New Delhi, working 36 hours at a stretch is glorified and your consultants are not happy even if you pull off 70-90 hour work weeks for the entire 6 years of your residency. Ironical that it is considered a norm in the medical profession. :(
Employees do not complain because for the fear of loosing their jobs. These same multinational companies in foreign countries adhere to all the labour laws applicable to that particular countries. But if it is in India they don't care and their main aim is increasing the profit figure year by year. Under the ministry of Labour government should make laws to redress the employees grievances.
I was told to stay till 7pm because I am intern and I came to learn ( that wasn't even paid internship😢) few times I stayed about when went back home it's almost 8-8:30pm and no time for myself. I quit.
Sorry to hear that, Every corporate sees Intern or Trainees as Animals, Machines its Happening in Every Workplace its happend to me and You know what i did ? I Just Gave them my Middle Finger If it Kills your Peace Just QUIT ....
@@aquiestoy-i but intership is nessasary now a day almost in every course their is 3-6 months of intership program during studies so quitting some times became impossible. But I am not gonna work for someone else for the bare minimum for sure.
Why did no one from EY attend her funeral? Did all employees gang up against her?Or,what is more likely,was the local boss feel she was not up to her task and pressurize her?Unfortunately, bullying in the work place is never talked about, but is a reality.
I am sure EY staff must have been threatened with dire consequences if they attended Anna's Funeral. EY wanted to cover up in every way possible. These people are Pathetic and Disgrace to Humanity. Anna's Parents should file a lawsuit for Rs. 100 Crore to depict the seriousness of this Crime of Toxic Culture. Anna's Manager should be arrested and jailed for abatement of Anna's tragic death.
Narayan Murthy is counting his billions of dollars and has a policy of not even reimbursing death certificate cost of 10 dollars when his employees die trying to work for 70 hours per week. Still gives 25 thousand rupee salary to engineers and snatches 800 towards his wife charity forcibly. What a disgrace
Unfortunately in developing countries specially there is no work life balance in most companies. Above more work and low pay it is easier to find bad bully peoples who discriminate workers based on lot of things. Some derieve pleasure in torturing people and so on. Pay, work life balance, environment should improved.
We all should protest or start a campaign against these toxic culture in india government policies are favouring these corporates currently and they are only caring for them only
It’s not just EY, all firms in India treats employees as slaves, expectations are sky high and never ending or multiple requests and internal politics .
Let us first understand why and how such terrific work pressure is generated in Big 4 firms, There is severe competition in quoting for audit jobs. Before preparing the quotation one has to estimate how much time will be required to complete the audit. At the same time the fees quoted have to be very competitive - otherwise the firm that is quoting will not get the job. So what is done in such cases (I am talking from direct experience) is that to bring the quote down the team that prepares the quotation deliberately under-estimates the time required to complete each audit task. Added to this the Big 4 firms fix their charge out rates at several multiples of the employee's actual cost to the firm. Let us suppose an audit assistant gets a salary of Rs 30000 a month and there are 160 working hours in a month. Arithmetically the employee's cost to the firm works out to about s 188 per hour. The audit firm will fix his/her charge out rate at Rs 700 to Rs 800 per hour i.e, 4 to 5 times the actual cost to the firm. Actually a charge-out rate fixed at 2 to 3 times the cost would be sufficient to cover the firm's profits and overheads but the idea is to maximize the firm's profits on every job. With such high billing (charge out) rates the only way the team preparing the audit fee quotation can keep the fee reasonable is by reducing the number of hours assigned to each task. So, a job requiring say 5 hours of work at a reasonable speed and competence level is assigned only say 3 hours. When the firm wins the job the employee assigned to the task is told that the budgeted time for his particular work is only 3 hours; so he has to complete a task requiring 5 hours within 3. Effectively this means he has to make up the balance 2 hours from his personal time either by sitting late at office or carrying work home. This is exactly how big Big 4 fatten their profits and finance their huge partner remuneration packages by squeezing their employees to breaking point. If an employee fails to carry out a 5 hour task in 3 hours his performance assessment. increments and promotion opportunities will all be adversely affected. This kind of toxic work culture is a deliberate creation of multinational audit firms which has been imported into India and is killing our youngsters.
Very accurate and well thought out comment. This happened to me when I was an auditor 40 years ago. This toxic work culture of accounting firms is a long standing one. I used to be harassed and scolded for 'bursting' the time cost. Used to cry, thinking that the fault was mine. Which didn't make sense because I am a topper in my Accounting degree. It was a period of utter confusion and self-deprecating. I left accounting altogether, thinking that I am unfit for the profession.
The easy thing is to make it illegal. Audit should be done without presure to ensure that there are no compromises. So, there should be legal guidelines not to cut the work hours, and the timesheet also should be made part of the audit report.
Toxic culture must end. Not only seen in corporate but in almost every organisation in India. Even schools and colleges are not safe. Students are asked to Hustle from a very young age. There is no space for self reflection , Self compassion , health and peace of mind
Those who tolerate torture and injustice are more responsible than those who impart torture. No employees of such organisations have the courage to complain to the government authorities. Government authorities are keeping their eyes closed even when a blind person can see the blatant violation of labour laws. The Supreme court should take suo moto cognisance of the matter.
Pay money to Sobha ji, pay contribution to BJP..then All will be washed clean..If you are fed up with your life by being victim of "tax terror"..feel free to join EY..🙏
Irony is that there are 2 departments ni organisation HR and EHS. Which are meant specifically for employees balanced growth full life and safe healthy work culture. But, that works on only parameters of cost reduction at any point, and just to keep the numbers up.
Not only big4 companies even in small companies they are harassing employees with overload of work. I am also facing the same issue. Giving fresher salaries but they make us to work like an experienced employees with huge targets.
Strict regulations have to be made like in European countries... In India management thinks it's wrong if an employee logs out at a time and it's their right to ask an employee to work after hours and even on holidays
This is very true , I don't believe why don't anyone does something about the organisation like this , they hire you and ask you to resign or make situation so harsh and toxic that you don't feel like working.
Where is Mr Narayan Murthy and he doesn’t talk in such incidents
It's not his family smh
How can u be so sure she got a heart attack due to work.
He himself is a incident to this country. Firstly make him to pay tax. For employees laws are shit 💩💩💩 and this companies are treated above the laws only for generating jobs? Indian laws are 💩💩💩
@@naysayer7540 .ok
@@naysayer7540even if she died from other reason still this issue is relevant because there is indeed so much work pressure
And there is someone who is advocating a 70 Hrs/ week working hours.
never listen to MOORTY MAN
He wants people to work for him so that he can grow ❤
@@rohitnayak9952For his UK citizen grandkids to enjoy.
Jo bol raha hain ussse pehle karwana chahiye..thode time .. phir agar woh survive karega toh baat karenge..
Narayan Murthy is counting his billions of dollars and has a policy of not even reimbursing death certificate cost of 10 dollars when his employees die trying to work for 70 hours per week. Still gives 25 thousand rupee salary to engineers and snatches 800 towards his wife charity forcibly. What a disgrace
Not only in big 4, Most of the employees in the private sector are facing stress and anxiety due to toxic work culture in our country. Work days needs to be reduced. Govt should implement strict laws.
some of the employees who have the attitude of sticking up to their bosses and sitting up till late in the office. sooner this has gotten normalised and it is affecting even those who dont want to work till late.
Not just the private sector. Even in public sector banks, work load issue is a major problem. Judging peoples productivity by amount of time spent is the main reason. In Banking most of the employees believe that there is no concept of max working hours.
Exactly
Never going to happen
Not only pvt sectors.... Come in public sector banks.... U will see the real harassment
My brother works for Barclays pune as a financial consultant.. He logs in at 10am and works till 3am...still does not achieve his target..... One of his colleagues has to see a psychiatrist due to overload...i told my brother to leave job... But fear of unemployment is so much they can't make that decision and affect their health... It's the overall story of india... Work life balance has to be made properly. ... If barclays hr seeing this please ask your manager to look into the workload of their people
My scolded in Canada scolded me for working too much... They really support work life balance 😅😅😅
HR and all won't do anything. They will just follow the management instructions. All they care about is profits and only profits. It's the government which should regulate all of this.
mark a mail to corporate and drop complain to labour ministry portal
@@askm7649 Do you really think our labour minister will do anything about this???🤭😂😂 He will use this opportunity to make money from EY. Law and order is a joke in India.
Ohh common i am from Barclays.. in finance and bm. it's by far thousands of times better than any corporate office.. it's very considerate of the employee's mental health..
They have the best HR policy for your mental health. If he directly connect with the HR team they will resolve it. I have seen both side of the coin
I worked for EY more than 4 year, it's really toxic environment😢
Not only EY…. Deloitte PWC KPMG are like this
@@Rocker_z Yes bro, after other 3 approached me but once I burnt my fingers, how could I go into same environment 😭
I left in April else would have got heart attack.
Joke's on u. Y did u even work fo that long?
Animesh Jain & Ridhi Kejriwal. These are the two evil, toxic managers who drove Anna Sebastian to her untimely death. Rip, Anna, you deserved better.
It's unfortunate that somebody has to die in India to make a point 😢
Very true!
And even then it is conveniently avoided and completed ignored.
So true.. Like Arun Giri mentioned in the interview.. In India voters are forgivers... same way we forget too easily and someone has to pay the price to remind us again of the unfortunate incident, life taking bad system, corrupt people running those systems and so on... Pity.. 😒
Very apt
Yes.. Agreed
Ethics forum is a waste solution. I have encountered harassment, high pressure, discrimination, and bias from EY management. I reported this horrific incident to the ethics team, but without providing a solution, they closed the case and continued to target and harass me. I also reported it to CEO Carmine Di Sibio, Rajiv Memani, Sreekanth Arimanithaya, and Jaya Virwani, providing all the evidence-emails, call records, chat screenshots, etc.-but they concealed the issue and closed the case. It has been a truly traumatizing experience, and I do not recommend EY to anyone. When I reported harassment, fraud, bias, discrimination, toxic culture, and injustice to Sreenivasa Rao, Jaya Virwani, Rajiv Memani, Carmine Di Sibio, and Sreekanth Arimanithaya, they blocked me on all social media platforms. Imagine the trauma and anxiety I have faced. If you report any incident, they won’t take action; they don’t value human life.
Is this in EY india ?.
Now I seriously think they are practicing slavery under that mask of a Brand. Because I have seen the Bloody HR in a big US brand in India cover up a Posh case , and hide it from the directors & Internal committee.
Salute u for your courage!
When an organization does this, u know they are not worth working for, no matter how big a reputation it has.
Pick up your self-respect and leave!
Thank you for showing the courage to stand up against the perpetrators.
If they dont want to clean up the company it is their problem.
And thanks for letting the public know about this so that other prospective employees also know about it.
Please share this in as many platforms as possible for the benefit of youngsters.
Yes it's all BS sp at EY. Managers come ato know and screws your life. HR will meet you twice when u join and when u leave. They get appraisal based on yoga sessions they do online.
I did quit in 9 months. Pressure to complete some useless video Tutorial after work hours. And it keeps adding in every month. Working hours are 9 to 10 hours a day. Plus you have meeting every week even outside of working hours again..
My daughter recently quit from ACCENTURE for the same reason. We reported issues to their HR . (We know that No company is going to accept their flaws rather they put all blames to the employee. Also we know that Proving threatening, abusive, or harassing behavior in a company is challenging ) Continuing at the same company after complaining about a manager would be disastrous . So I advised my daughter to quit !!
Got made your daughters life better please keep up
Life is far more important.
@@sus_6537 what you do by the way
Life is important better to quit there will be better opportunity then that.
I so agree with u.
I left a well paying job coz of the DHR n the whole HR team, who targeted me to such n extent that I had anxiety attacks n went into depression.
But on complaining it was said that u hv to perform. U r incompetent n unable 5o handle pressure.
Wow!! That just did it
I did not want to be hospitalized with a Mental breakdown or Heart Attack.
Though did have many medical issues.
Few months back Australia passed a law that gives the employees the right to disconnect their bosses after working hours but here in India, we are expected to work after working hours by default
We have the same law in Canada; as a manager I cannot call my employees after work hours; we have to wait till next day to tell them anything or assign a task; it is a good thing because they get time with their families in the evening.
Because this is India and we still focusing on religion instead of focusing on modern issues. This is why the youth leave India.
And what difference will that law make? The woman could not deliver results. Her pressure may be due to her anxiety to lose her job.
It still doesn't work cz some require high utilization targets so people work till late night.
@@ppen8359 she was a topper in CA , she definitely would have potentials, hence the toxic work pressure can be prima facie noticed.
Worked for EY for 7yrs. Quit Apr 2024. But I noticed the culture got toxic in the last 1-2yrs of my tenure. Two senior managers too passed away before i left, one of them whom i sat around in the cubicles. Told my self i this needed to change and resigned. The pressure is high, work is micro-managed. Every minute you work for needs to tracked with proper work description and unique codes & action taken for any improper tracking is severe. Breaks the staffs morale. Things need to change. They need to fire the Sr. Managers and replace them with better talent. Pray Anna’s soul rests in peace.
Every company culture is toxic. There is no going back.
Request to media please highlight IT toxic culture as well … it’s not only CAs who are only suffering … bank employees , IT employees are also going through the same path….
This is why I want to shift to a European country.
True. Same here.
Clever people would leave India because of toxic work culture. In Europe there are strong employees unions and companies don't get to exploit workers 👍🏻
EY company is from Europe. But I get what you are trying to say
@@Passionate-i2m the counterparts working for the same company in Europe don't work like this. They take WLB seriously. I have experience in the product based company in India. Our counterparts in other nations are too strict on work life balance. Here people will work till late at night.
@@Passionate-i2m which explains why labour unions are necessary. companies are not inherently "good". they're in it for the profit and they'll look after only their company's profiteering interests. so workers need unions to be strong enough to look after themselves
What Arun said is bang on. While working there some years back in EY GDS, there was a marked shift towards driving numbers. Work culture in EY india has gone abyssmally low.. one of the managers in the business enablemment services division was asking to work on Christmas holidays as well even when they knew no clients will be there and when leaves were informed one month in advance. HR does not have the spine to question them or they play up to the business division head. Even though they tout about open culture, nobody speaks due to fear of reprissals. Politics, Favouritsm, Cronyism, Manipulation - see everything with this manager. i have seen people fainting, having mental issues and all. Nothing will happen, they will cover up their tracks. An eloquent letter will be sent to employees - we deeply are concerned about your well being". their employee survey is a joke. when the results come the line managers and team members get the brunt and are made to feel guilty for haing provided the feedback! Feel better that i resigned the most toxic culture. STay away from the GDS Enablement functions. Prioritise your health.
It's not only about the Big4 CA companies. This toxic culture exist most of the private companies in India. They are quite common in India becuase there's no government intervention into this.
Work pressure, late working hours are happening in many fields. Fixed working hours should be mandatory in all public and private firms.
I agree... Its also time the government to set rules that will allow us to disconnect from work after office hours... We should be allowed complete me time and family time.
Jawahar Navodaya vidyalayas also teachers work under toxic pressure with no fixed working hours
I hope Government takes strict actions this time instead of brushing this away like previous deaths. It high time now that STRICT ACTIONS against such abusive culture should be taken.
If this had happened in Germany, the company would’ve been summoned in court
Company officials or her colleagues not attending her funeral just rubbed salt into the family's wounds. What does the Management/Manager have to say about that?
@@rajivraghavan49 they got no time to scratch their behind
They wouldn't give anyone leave, to attend the funeral. To the senior management, it's just 'another one bites the dust', let's interview for a replacement.
They'll never feel it until it happens to them.
Might not have got their leave approved
Y wud dey even attend?she was their colleague not friend
Atleast the boss should have, they must be spending so much time together@@Nikhilsamant98
My former reporting manager Nisha created toxic work culture. She abused her position of authority and harrassed team members. There are many such shameless individuals in corporates.
Instead working on such corporates in India we can survive in jail for survival
Why jail . Open a pani puri shop in front of cinema 😂 work only 4 hrs
@@Lakshmipriya-hc1wmWell, may be he want to ensure justice even at the cost of jail, so that the future employees can have a better work life balance.
@@Lakshmipriya-hc1wm You cracked me up 🤣😛
S Buffet food and post exit they give u money for ur working day Nice sleep :P
make sure the manager is held accountable and must pay part of his salary to the family of the deceased
Are you kidding???
The company should pay crores in rupees though the person died will not come back.
Yes, the company should pay 20 crores as compensation and 15% of manager's salary should be given to fam for 15 years
There is no unemployment in India as it is highlighted....the basic problem is 10 peoples job is done by 2 people...Modi government has very good opportunity to trap this problem...and decrease the problem of unemployment along with less pressure on the employees...Modi hai to mumkin hai...
Because of Modiji you are getting employment
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It’s all over Asia not just in India cuz there r orders from top to play real life squid game with people…
Modi doesn't care about middle class... Most job goers are middle class
People in low level corporate jobs generally have work life balance
Only these so called high level jobs which will only give increment if company makes good profits practice soul-wrenching methods of work
@@nareshagarwal772 not true. low level workers also have a hard time. why are you implying that it's only an issue with high paying posts 😐
Why was that manager giving work late in night that needs submission in the morning, I don't understand what pressure from upper management will make a manager to assign tasks during night and ask for completion during morning, I really don't understand top down pressure contributing to this mess
It's only see an abusive manager who doesn't know how to handle a hard working employee
Please teach leads and managers in organisations to respect each other and not exploit their counterparts
This is unacceptable
Yes, this is also a type of workplace harrasment.
Faced it in 2 of my jobs - one by a supervisor, another by one pretending to be a supervisor, coz he was buddy-buddy with my reporting mgr.
Since Anna was a fresher, it is sad she did not know whom or how to approach. Or where to draw the line and say 'enough is enough!' The HR should be actively looking into the fresh hires' status at work - using simple language, without their HR jargons.
She certainly was a hardworking employee. That's why 'stuff' was dumped on her.
And the guy is simply ruthless and guilty.
Her parents' ordeal 💔
This typically happens when chamchas are promoted as managers. They dont have a structured way of dividing the work, and their mistakes are passed down to the team members as tight deadline like giving the work while leaving the office and asking it to be completed before next day morning.
@@Milshyani understand same happened with me 😢😢😢 i Left the job
I have worked for EY for 12 years and it’s a very toxic place to work for
How come you are there for 12 years inspite of toxicity...that's surprising
I lost my job even after working for 12 hours a day (at Amazon India). My assistant manager called everything as 'urgent' task. And at the end I was put into PIP and shown the door. Bottom Line: Employees' life don't matter to management!
It's the leadership doing...I am working there and I know how toxic it is.. it is very easy to quit but we do have family and many responsibilities, so quitting is not an easy decision 😢
But bro I don't think any family, especially parents want their kids chronically stressed and end up dying for sm corpo company that can replace you immediately.
Leave that company at your earliest opportunity. Accept 20% lower salary with better culture !
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"money is more important than family".. there you go. fixed your comment.
So what happens if this toxic work, affects your health and hence u are unable to fulfill your family responsibilities?
Deloitte should be enquired, worst work culture
As someone who is a part of Delotte USI I agree
And KPMG too
It’s a problem with people at the top being obsessed with money and profits. May God give her family the strength to cope with the situation.🙏🏻
It all started when companies decided to share the profits with the managers for the reduced expenditure.
I left my last job due to sexual harrasment & politics. It's so sad that even after complain nobody helps because they are kind of in a team saving each other. I haven't healed from it yet. Scared to join any company 😢
EY do have several well being program for sure but u cannot attend those well being program as u will never have a time to attend those programs due to deadline
Happen in most companies
Their well-being is only yoga once a year. HR is never seen or they do not hear us. Rest it's all crap.
I work in amex and I only work for 4 hrs everyday. It's great company. 2 hours of break in 9 hrs shift
@@Ankitjaiswal-hd7pv A proud cheater or a crooked boss who gets his work done by others
Or a under loaded employee causing burdon for others?
@@dom4068 no amex is a very good company. None of the employee work for more than 5 hours. We get paid for extra time and if it's national holiday they pay us double pay
Employee union is requirednin every organization.
I also left EY because of the very same reason.
Thank you mama for your letter and I’m so sorry for your loss. My 26 year old daughter quit her 3 year job at KPMG after reading this. I’ve never been prouder
Please call the ceo and question him
Even in TCS BPO management makes us feel (lower level employees) helpless and HR too supports their inhumane actions.
Which location
It's not just Big4, it's overall culture in MNC, Pvt sector - be it consultancy, IT, Banks,....esp; for CAs, Engineers, Medical professionals...even the construction-site workers
India & China have the obsession to work like anything, as there are no laws for non Public-sector employees for well-being of employees
Government are only to tap taxes of middle-class people, but have no laws to protect the Pvt sector employees. Also, when they are laid-off, they have no guarantee for Job-security.
The pay-scale in India is quite low to Western-countries, so instead of making 1 employee work for 18 hours a day, hire 2 people to work 9 hours a day - why so much of obsession with Profitablity?
Just Vishwaguru things
These mindless, narcissistic and sadistic CEOs must not be romanticized in society. There should not be hero worship at all. They demand 84 work week, pay pennies to their employees vis-a-vis their salaries and ruin their the personal life of their employees. I worked at Accenture and my boss was an asshole. He used to humiliate me in front of others, giving me workload of 3 persons, made me work 12-14 hours a day and didn't appreciate my efforts even once. Its been 3 years since i left that job and it still gives me anxiety when i think about that experience. People like him must be called out, shamed in public and made to pay for their actions.
Same with me but it was a 50 year old chinese boss in Malaysia it was both jealousy and racism which caused friction, I was relieved when I left that job and went to a new one.
Employees should protest against it., this is the right time. Every employee is going through this issue 😢😢😢
The same thing has happened to the profession of Banking. Originally meant to be a custodian of people's wealth & advisor of financial well-being, the profession has now been degraded to an absolute fraud where nothing counts other than fees, revenue & targets. Shame....!!
Now the private banks employees are put under pressure to sell insurances and mutual funds.. all their focus is their and not on service...
You brought up a big point that is ignored by most.
One possibility of putting lot of pressure on the freshers might be to induce some mistakes from them, so that they can blame the new employee and escape.
This might take away the value of audit altogether.
We saw this in Satyam scam.
Not only Big 4s.. it happens with majority of the company's who service other nation's.. they are just another east India company..US people are smart enough to get their services done by Indians and manufacturing by china.
It's not fault of US, It's fault of our own greedy country businessmen who exploit poor people for peanut salary and we just blame US. What's government doing? See remarks of FM
Same is happening in public sector banks
Thanks to NDTV who is taking about this incident I have seen many news channels are not showing this incident from now on I will watch only NDTV
Kudos to Mr. Arun Giri for addressing systemic issues for every question. Not glossing over apparent issues. He provided the big picture issue.
This is happening in all the corporate companies in all the cities in India. Especially when WFH started, there is no constraint for working hours..
Run when you see Great Place to Work Certified Banner
Call the ceo of that company , unless these companies r punished this toxic work culture will not stop. Sir listen to body first , however young the body loses battle of overwork stress .
Get these greeedy corporates to court !!! This kind of inhuman behavior cannot be accepted at any cost !!!
Yes, definitely need to review this toxic work culture
Narayan Murthy won't agree
He wants 80 hours per week
Right to disconnect after 8 hrs like Australia, canada policies to be implemented in India... All corporate employees should raise there voice... Mr Murthy come out please
Not only in big 4, everywhere
Govt is more focused on increasing their earnings by putting more tax. They don’t care about our people. Not implementing rules to take care of people working in private sectors. In short there is no strict labour law for people.
Government has to take action. They can't do hindu muslim all the time
Government must make new guidelines regarding work culture in big 4 and other company also
Why only the big 4. This is happening with all the pvt companies. In a software company, we used to work 110 hrs per week. Employees were give only 4 hrs to sleep. No weekends, no holidays. We used to take aspirin on a daily basis to reduce chest pain.
Really brave of her Mom to call this out
They are only referring to CAs... they apparently not referring to the software or engineering sector where the overworking culture is much more worse
We are not comparing here please, and a young CA died so of course we're gonna talk about the toxic work culture in CA field
This is specific case of CA who has left us. Please be mindful and considerate of tha
Yes we need to review the culture of companies
Private companies should be strictly scrutinised this shouldn't be allowed it is a call to central government to act and implement strict laws against these companies
This goes beyond the CA spectrum. I am a doctor and even at AIIMS, New Delhi, working 36 hours at a stretch is glorified and your consultants are not happy even if you pull off 70-90 hour work weeks for the entire 6 years of your residency. Ironical that it is considered a norm in the medical profession. :(
Employees do not complain because for the fear of loosing their jobs. These same multinational companies in foreign countries adhere to all the labour laws applicable to that particular countries. But if it is in India they don't care and their main aim is increasing the profit figure year by year. Under the ministry of Labour government should make laws to redress the employees grievances.
Not true. I work for KPMG in another country, we have same issue. People knock off late night.
Not just big4, its at lot of corporates in India.
I was told to stay till 7pm because I am intern and I came to learn ( that wasn't even paid internship😢) few times I stayed about when went back home it's almost 8-8:30pm and no time for myself. I quit.
Sorry to hear that,
Every corporate sees Intern or Trainees as Animals, Machines
its Happening in Every Workplace its happend to me and You know what i did ?
I Just Gave them my Middle Finger
If it Kills your Peace Just QUIT ....
@@aquiestoy-i but intership is nessasary now a day almost in every course their is 3-6 months of intership program during studies so quitting some times became impossible. But I am not gonna work for someone else for the bare minimum for sure.
Why did no one from EY attend her funeral? Did all employees gang up against her?Or,what is more likely,was the local boss feel she was not up to her task and pressurize her?Unfortunately, bullying in the work place is never talked about, but is a reality.
I am sure EY staff must have been threatened with dire consequences if they attended Anna's Funeral. EY wanted to cover up in every way possible. These people are Pathetic and Disgrace to Humanity. Anna's Parents should file a lawsuit for Rs. 100 Crore to depict the seriousness of this Crime of Toxic Culture. Anna's Manager should be arrested and jailed for abatement of Anna's tragic death.
Thanks for Discussing this serious issue.
Only narayan murthy can work 70 hrs a week.
He only want others to work, so that his share value increases.
Narayan Murthy is counting his billions of dollars and has a policy of not even reimbursing death certificate cost of 10 dollars when his employees die trying to work for 70 hours per week. Still gives 25 thousand rupee salary to engineers and snatches 800 towards his wife charity forcibly. What a disgrace
Unfortunately in developing countries specially there is no work life balance in most companies. Above more work and low pay it is easier to find bad bully peoples who discriminate workers based on lot of things. Some derieve pleasure in torturing people and so on. Pay, work life balance, environment should improved.
It is not about EY , there are a lot more
We all should protest or start a campaign against these toxic culture in india government policies are favouring these corporates currently and they are only caring for them only
PwC is the worst
Yes lot of pressure to youths and fresher. Work time is increased 14 to 15 hours
Our corporates should work for their workers also , rules should be there and authorities should act, don't be mum.
We should be paid double the salary for each hour after the fixed 8hrs a day. Saturday and Sunday must be compulsorily holidays.
This is why we are loosing so much young talent to foreign countries
It’s not just EY, all firms in India treats employees as slaves, expectations are sky high and never ending or multiple requests and internal politics .
Her mother needs justice. Every it employee should participate in a rally. We must become unite
Right to disconnect law should be passed, no person should be told to work for more than 8 hours per day with a weekend holiday.
We need labour laws in india and a right to disconnect, EY and other such firms are insensitive to people for them we are just a number.
Persons like Narain Murty are responsible for such events. The manager and all responsible persons shall be put behind the bars.
Let us first understand why and how such terrific work pressure is generated in Big 4 firms, There is severe competition in quoting for audit jobs. Before preparing the quotation one has to estimate how much time will be required to complete the audit. At the same time the fees quoted have to be very competitive - otherwise the firm that is quoting will not get the job. So what is done in such cases (I am talking from direct experience) is that to bring the quote down the team that prepares the quotation deliberately under-estimates the time required to complete each audit task. Added to this the Big 4 firms fix their charge out rates at several multiples of the employee's actual cost to the firm. Let us suppose an audit assistant gets a salary of Rs 30000 a month and there are 160 working hours in a month. Arithmetically the employee's cost to the firm works out to about s 188 per hour. The audit firm will fix his/her charge out rate at Rs 700 to Rs 800 per hour i.e, 4 to 5 times the actual cost to the firm. Actually a charge-out rate fixed at 2 to 3 times the cost would be sufficient to cover the firm's profits and overheads but the idea is to maximize the firm's profits on every job. With such high billing (charge out) rates the only way the team preparing the audit fee quotation can keep the fee reasonable is by reducing the number of hours assigned to each task. So, a job requiring say 5 hours of work at a reasonable speed and competence level is assigned only say 3 hours. When the firm wins the job the employee assigned to the task is told that the budgeted time for his particular work is only 3 hours; so he has to complete a task requiring 5 hours within 3. Effectively this means he has to make up the balance 2 hours from his personal time either by sitting late at office or carrying work home. This is exactly how big Big 4 fatten their profits and finance their huge partner remuneration packages by squeezing their employees to breaking point. If an employee fails to carry out a 5 hour task in 3 hours his performance assessment. increments and promotion opportunities will all be adversely affected. This kind of toxic work culture is a deliberate creation of multinational audit firms which has been imported into India and is killing our youngsters.
This needs to be pinned
Thank you for sharing. Most of the managers / management take a lot of care not to make such things known. ... They love to keep people as fools.
Very accurate and well thought out comment. This happened to me when I was an auditor 40 years ago.
This toxic work culture of accounting firms is a long standing one.
I used to be harassed and scolded for 'bursting' the time cost. Used to cry, thinking that the fault was mine.
Which didn't make sense because I am a topper in my Accounting degree.
It was a period of utter confusion and self-deprecating.
I left accounting altogether, thinking that I am unfit for the profession.
@@mythoughts238 this is a mind game (a trick) played by so-called managers to confuse & then scapegoat a team member , by degrading him.
The easy thing is to make it illegal.
Audit should be done without presure to ensure that there are no compromises.
So, there should be legal guidelines not to cut the work hours, and the timesheet also should be made part of the audit report.
Thank to narayana Murthy
in my opinion, the leadership team should step down
Toxic culture must end. Not only seen in corporate but in almost every organisation in India. Even schools and colleges are not safe. Students are asked to Hustle from a very young age. There is no space for self reflection , Self compassion , health and peace of mind
Those who tolerate torture and injustice are more responsible than those who impart torture. No employees of such organisations have the courage to complain to the government authorities. Government authorities are keeping their eyes closed even when a blind person can see the blatant violation of labour laws. The Supreme court should take suo moto cognisance of the matter.
Pay money to Sobha ji, pay contribution to BJP..then All will be washed clean..If you are fed up with your life by being victim of "tax terror"..feel free to join EY..🙏
why Labour law is not implemented in India?
EY is just a curse and that too when you have a female manager esp from south. I worked there till 2012 and i know it better
There should be very strict action and remedies on such instances. The government should intervene in it.
This interaction brings lots of perspective in the forefront.
Fire her manager
nice interview... only one thing the anchor should have asked arun about his opinion on the comment of narayana murthy
Being an Ex employee of EY , I know how it felt to be under constant pressure of delivery . RIP
Also need to review the work culture of Indian manufacturing industries.
Completely agree with Mr. Giri
Truly well said
I am very sad when i lessen about this type of situation
Irony is that there are 2 departments ni organisation HR and EHS. Which are meant specifically for employees balanced growth full life and safe healthy work culture.
But, that works on only parameters of cost reduction at any point, and just to keep the numbers up.
Not only big4 companies even in small companies they are harassing employees with overload of work. I am also facing the same issue. Giving fresher salaries but they make us to work like an experienced employees with huge targets.
Strict regulations have to be made like in European countries... In India management thinks it's wrong if an employee logs out at a time and it's their right to ask an employee to work after hours and even on holidays
This is a big problem in our country.. its high time to better labour laws..
Work culture of teachers should also be reviewed.
This is very true , I don't believe why don't anyone does something about the organisation like this , they hire you and ask you to resign or make situation so harsh and toxic that you don't feel like working.