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People Explain Why They're Anti-Gay Marriage
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 มิ.ย. 2014
- The National Organization for Marriage (NOM) hosted its second annual "March For Marriage" Thursday in front of the U.S. Capitol, a rally with speakers opposing same-sex marriage followed by a march to the Supreme Court. An estimated 2,000 people participated, many of whom had traveled by bus from New Jersey and New York City...
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"The gay lifestyle is not gay. it's filled with sadness and depression" AND WHO'S FAULT DO YOU THINK THAT IS?
Exactly.
Glockmog2007 dumbass.
God is gay......
@@vw1973conv ._.
@@Glockmog2007 go to a place where gay people aren't discriminated. you'll be lying if you tell me they're unhappy.
´´God´´ should not be an political argument
+Nuklearerbombenteppich That is simple and straightforward, thank you.
+marksmith46 I agree there is a LAW that says seperation between state and church. SO the christian argument that its god's word is invalid. I mean atheists can marry and they don't even believe in God
Believe me, I know. I'm actually going to perform an atheist's wedding myself as soon as I get my license.
Heck yea. I was just making a point that some people do not believe in god but they can marry so why is it different if say sex couple can
Especially when someone else's marriage has no effect on them at all. I can't think of one person whose life changed when I married my partner on October 16 2013 in New York or when it became legal everywhere in 2015. In fact, when this was being fought out in smaller courts many judges insisted that the lawyers against marriage show some sort of harm to ant-gay people, and all they could come up with was basically "it's icky to me" and "because Jesus". Epic failures, all of them.
Adam and Eve weren't even married what are you guys talking about?
Wtf was that? XD Jesus you are homophobic.
Is that an insult?
Chen Yakumo ahí thats true and sex before marrige is a sin, hmm 😒
Valley of Visions Puritan Good thing your terrorist god didn't control our country, we don't have to listen to anything your book claims about him.
By the way, race doesn't exist. Traits are defined by genes that were either beneficial or happened to survive in a species within a certain environment. A brown, African human being is not much different from a pink, European one than a blue lambo is from a red one with spinning rims. It's just aesthetic decided by what happened to be desired.
There's no evidence for your god, nor any reason we should adhere to it. Homosexuality is just another form of human interaction. It doesn't require sex, but it certainly can include it. Sex is used by humans for more than just reproduction, hints why we're able to learn about masturbation without much assistance.
Humans, like other primates, use sex for reinforcement of bonds, entertainment, coercion, and many other things that an intelligent social species may need for basic survival. More animals than just primates do these things, by the way.
If the Bible was wrong about so many natural phenomenon, has many morally-questionable events perpetuated by its featured deity, and has yet to provide an empirical way of determining whether or not said deity was real and which version is the right version, why should we believe in it? If you personally can't even decide which parts of the gross half of the book are necessary for this day and age, why should we even trust _you?_ Perhaps you're only picking the parts that are favorable to you.
None of this even matters. Any deity that needs to force me to worship him while letting good people die tragically, blaming negative things he invented on us, and the only payoff is getting to worship him _more_ for "eternity" (the Bible claims he's the only immortal) doesn't deserve the attention of such a race like ours.
Valley of Visions Puritan Genitals aren't designed, they developed over generations of successful breeding. Therefor there is no objective "perversion" of their "purposes".
Continual physical and intellectual labor would lead to death. What you're suggesting is that humans are meant to constantly exert themselves physically and mentally to the point that they don't have a sex drive, which is at the point where your body is completely depleted of energy, and thus you have no drive for _anything_. Not that you _need_ to drive yourself to death to even be made aware of this, it's evident in the many negative effects your body goes through after continual and excessive exertion. Headaches, cramps, and other such physical signs of fatigue go against your idea of "continual" labor to distract (not alleviate) from the "inferior" (according to you) appetites (biologically hardwired desires).
The point of me defending "beastly" with what other beasts do is because it's constantly spouted that animals are an example that it shouldn't be done, but then animals are dismissed for being "beastly" (according to you). However, the facts are against you. There are so many implications to your claims you don't even realize, or you simply dismiss them.
First thing. If many species that have the same organs use said organs for the same reasons, without needing to be taught by another species what the purpose of these organs is, it's probably because it's natural. Therefor your argument that pleasurable or homosexual sex are "perversions" is false, at least on the basis that it distorts the original purpose or function of a thing.
The next thing, claiming humans should constantly work instead of doing anything recreational. Humans, like most social animals, _can't_ just work and live happy lives. Stress makes an angry and frustrated human, angry and frustrated humans either become depressed or anxious, these such people aren't reliable in a natural setting where every individual is the difference between the survival and death of the group. The fact that your god can't even understand the psychology of his creations is yet another reason why he's not worth following. Ah yes, that reminds me.
Your creator is an idiot incapable of making consistent designs. Why create a species that is hardwired to relax, do recreational activities, and have sex for pleasure and communication if he doesn't want them to do anything? It's not even like we're _choosing_ to be that way, that's how we were built. It's necessary to our psychology that we relax and have fun, just like any other social animal. Why not build is like ants? I mean, he's just an alien slave drive. The only reason you don't agree is because of the stigma on the word "slave".
You dismissed a majority of the book of Leviticus, saying it no longer applies to Christians, but you still cling to that one part that hasn't quite become socially unacceptable by all Christians. But hey, I'm a devil.
I don't even know why I'm having this conversation with someone that doesn't even understand nature, or you choose to deny reason to remain comfortable in your insurance policy, I mean sanity regulator, I mean beliefs.
Person: It's Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. Me: It's homosapian not heterosapian. *flies away from their bullshit*
*homo sapiens
v v. Lighten up bitch. They were making a fucking joke
Can I just ask: why are you FOR marriage? How do you define it and justify its existence as an institution the government is involved in?
0:20 " i came here because my preacher told me to and i cant think for my self and i like to limit the rights of other humans because my book says its not right."
Basically: My preacher told me that I am against gay marriage.
My preacher told me what to think and say.
lxiv64 I've met Christians like that. They were always, "My pastor says, my pastor says, my pastor says." You would thing their pastor is the one they are worshiping.
Dyvim Tvar
I don't understand how people can accept being called that. Same as worshiping a psychopath and genocidal maniac as god.
I think that it's below me to worship a priest, same for most if not all gods. I can do better than that. And I think the same for most if not all people.
On a sidenote: With their logic (follow authority), following a Hitler or a Stalin is the right thing to do?
Genocide in the bible is often said to have been right because it "killed the wicked", which is what Hitler tried to do (he had a stupid idea of who were the "wicked", but how would we know god was/is better?)
Whoever says that GLBT's and pro-GLBT's can't think for themselves is....LOCO!
"I'm in favor of pet ownership between one human, one dog."
"But you aren't defending that. You're attacking my right to own a cat."
"But my religion says that dog ownership is the only valid form of pet ownership."
"...that's nice. Your religion isn't a good enough reason for me not to own a cat."
"But God doesn't recognize cats as a valid pet to own."
"Okay. I don't care. I still want to own a cat. Step off my nuts."
"But we have to defend dog ownership in our society!"
"Then do that. Just stop attacking my thing."
+Victor Victorious
Any creature whose poop can cause psychosis in humans is most definitely an unnatural abomination.
+Victor Victorious
Part of growing up is learning how to stop wishing away pieces of yourself, and my gayness is a thing I've learned to accept along with my handedness and my skin color.
Lee Duon You need Jesus
+Victor Victorious To fully appreciate the irony, you would have to know the name of my (gay) partner.
Lee Duon You need Jesus
Well my opinion is everyone should wear a cat on their head and if they don't they will be burned alive.
THIS SHOULD BE A LAW BEECAUSE I BELIVE IN IT
Cats are awesome so I'm not going to object to that. And maybe these people in this video might get their eyes scratched out by the kitty so win win situation for me
I'm okay with that XD
+Emily Wigley I'm cool with that.
+Emily Wigley How does the cat feel about this?
I can get on board with that
god didn't create marriage. Marriage was created in historic times by men wanting to own women. That is literally it. Why do you think men ask for the blessing from the woman's father? Because it used to be father handing over his daughter to a husband.
Kyra Bell Even liberal people think I'm weird in that I completely oppose the whole concept of mairrage as a state institution.
no point getting married waste of money
Are the best men not there traditionally because you abducted the bride and the groomsmen were there to help you retain your booty when her father and brothers came to rescue her?
Don’t forget the dowry
@Ana Horvat
Stupid is, as stupid does.
if you're excuse for hating gays is "its Adam and eve not Adam and Steve" then you need to Adam and leave. 👌
Yaass kill it
Adam and Eve are the people who got us stuck in this stupid world in the first place.
I'm surprised you exist
Oh snap!!:)
and you're an ignorant f***
You know? I'm totally fine with going to hell. Because it's sounds like it will be a giant, dank, gay club with some fire. And I'm totally fine chilling in a giant gay club for eternity.
That depends on the DJ.
lol satan turn the beat up bruh XD
Yep while your in a never ending pit of fire with demons messing with you yep if you like eternal pain all e power too you while I'll be in heaven drinking Soda in heaven with Jesus in my full gold mansion while playing video games
+EnzotheStriker
Option A: 1000 years of agony while I get used to the feeling of being on fire constantly followed by an eternity of Eric Clapton concerts, Voltaire recitals and the endless company of fellow free-thinkers?
Option B: 1000 years of celestial bliss followed by an eternity of boredom with the likes of Todd Starnes, Phyllis Schlafely and harp music?
Option A, please and thank you
+Lee Duon yep because you can defintely get used to the feel of fire burning and because in heaven all I'm gonna do is listen to harp music and never do anything else than sing to Jesus heaven defintely isn't somewhere where you worship Jesus whenever you want and have your own full gold mansion and can feel no pain whatsoever and everyone in heaven is super nice and smart just like yourself and you get to see the glory of God but nope that's totally not heaven and if your not bright enough I'm being ~SARCASTIC~
"it's a little uncomfortable to see." Dude. I don't go around yelling straight people to stop holding hands. If you don't like it, look away.
I swear that basically everyone's excuse of their intolerance is religion
Tom Noble It is said that the majority of people in this world do believe in religion but then again was it considered a sin just for the hell of it ?
@@johnnygreen200 then your bigoted and an idiot.
They used to use religion to excuse racism and sexism, now they use it to excuse homophobia.
"We cannot change"
-Bigot, 2014
This quote shows exactly what is wrong with these people
+Ez Midkiff lol they were holding hands. Oh! Hide the kids eyes! The humanity!
Ez Midkiff Religion IS holding us back from technological and social advancements and innovation. We don't need idiots controlling our society, refuting science and every facts debunking their stupid beliefs..
Andrew Maliberan agreed, lol my parents are Christian and every time they talk about god and religion I laugh a little, they don't know I'm atheist. Lol
GOD. DID. NOT. CREATE. MARRIAGE.
GOD. CREATED. EVERYTHING. :D
I respeck you enzo
+LSSGSS Vegito thanks for putting respect on my name
EnzotheStriker XD
+EnzotheStriker marriage was created before Christ was born, so please, educate yourself.
"marriage is with a man and a woman" wasn't there something in the bible that allowed multiple women to be married to one guy?
KranitokoGames no...
The Avalanchilator Exactly
There was one guy, Solomon, an important king, who had about 700 wives and 300 concubines (First Kings 11:3)
He is the most prominant example, with the most wives, but he is one of countless of men who are said to have multiple wives.
fuque yu except this particular Degenerate act is encouraged in your story book.
fuque yu so I'm a satanist now.... Wow ok
"My church authority figures told me to be here, so I'm here." And that is the problem with religion.
These are literally the only answers I've ever received whenever I've asked someone why they're against Gay Marriage,
1. Religion (real shocker there)
2. The Slippery Slope Logic
But in regards to this video, if your only solution is to fall back on God, in my opinion you have no valid argument
*****
There is ZERO EVIDENCE that shows that Gay Marriage will lead to that stuff. I'm assuming you mean, Legal Pedophilia & Bestiality. Those are the ones I hear linked to Gay Marriage on a regular. People who are against gay marriage are only bringing those 2 things into it because those are things that the majority of the country would say are bad things. And just putting them together makes gay marriage sound scary. But in reality, there's nothing out there to back up the claim of Gay Marriage leading to Legal Pedophilia or Bestiality. In everyday situations, if there's no evidence to back up a claim, we don't believe the claim. This situation is no different.
*****
It's people in love, and that's all that should matter. If they're good responsible parents, kids shouldn't even be a topic. It's better than having kids grow up in abusive homes, on the streets, or in Foster Homes. Which leads me to my next topic. Yes reproduction is something they can't do, so they adopt kids that need homes. Plus, kids can grow up in homes with only 1 Gender as guardians. It could be a Dad and a Grandad, or a Mother and a Grandmother. And if you're going to use the HIV argument, then Lesbians deserve more rights than anybody. They're the lowest risk when it comes to HIV. Even lower than Male/Female couples. And lesbians can still give birth to children of their own.
*****
Seeing how Gay Adoption is so little, it's kinda hard to go by that. By default it's gonna seem like Mom/Dad Families are better. Besides, kids grow up in homes with Same Sex Caregivers all the time. It can be a Father/Grandfather, a Mom/Grandmother, a Father/Uncle, Mom/Aunt, even by 2 Brothers or 2 Sisters etc. Do they not deserve to take care of kids? And being in a home with Gay Parents is better than having kids grow up in Abusive Homes, in Foster Homes, or out on the Streets.
Michael Sanchez
I agree but I have an even better argument against gay marriage. No one is wrong for refusing to embrace high health risks in the name of marriage. The human anatomy does not sit well with homosexual behavior. This argument forces gays to argue against scientific statistical facts in which is a losing battle. Also, if they claim marriage can't be denied on the grounds of health, I just simply mention that incestuous marriage is denied on the grounds of health. If they mention that gay marriage promotes monogamy, I can easily debunk that my showing them the std statistics in the first nation that legalized gay marriage has increased because marriage influences unsafe sex but it does not guarantee loyalty especially among gays. Check out the study 'biology Leaves gay men highly vulnerable to HIV'. If they mention lesbians, I simply show them that pregnancy reduces cancer risks so lesbians have to simulate heterosexual behavior just to reduce cancer risks. Lesbians are also more likely to contract bacterial vaginosis. If they mention anything about its wrong to outlaw sex, I just call them out on their fallacies.
Michael Sanchez Your argument is logical. I give you that. However, it is still flawed because your argument is structured around the premise that marriage is defined as 1 man and 1 woman. That is false. The word "marriage" is a modern day interpretation of hundreds of words that have used throughout human history to denote a union between a man and (insert here). As a matter a fact the oldest forms of 'marriage' or 'unions' are historically 1 man and several women. If someone is going to use the "mariage" argument then the argument that they are actually making if they were to apply your logic is that they are Pro Polygamy and Gay marriage but they are against Lesbian Marriage.... which makes no sense.
*"Because marriage is between one man, one woman, and God!"*
Does this mean that all non-Christian marriages are bad too? There's no "God" in a Hindu or Atheist marriage, for example.
*"Because God made marriage between one man and one woman!"*
You might want to re-read your Bible... Pretty sure all those God-loving Biblical figures with dozens of wives would disagree with your definition.
*"Because gay people are so unhappy and depressed!"*
And who is it that makes them feel that way in the first place?
Lowraith Slow down.There's no 'atheist' marriage it's humanist sorry I need to correct that
Everything else is fine.
*****
Prove it.
*****
Well, if He is actually real, He sucks ass at convincing me.
If you believe in the God of the Bible, you are religious.
*****
*The real thing is God reveal himself to people who seek him with pure intention for example an agnostic but when an atheist says “prove it" he already have the intention to dismiss any answer. So it's not that he doesn't believe in God but he doesn't want God to exist especially if that God consider certain things he like as sins.*
Your logical fallacy is: Poisoning the Well.
[ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well ]
*an agnostic but when an atheist says*
Agnostic = "I don't know"
Atheist = "I don't believe"
Agnostic Atheist = "I don't know, and have no reason to believe" (This is what I am)
Gnostic Atheist = "There are 0 gods."
Agnostic Theist = "I don't know for certain, but I believe there is a god."
Gnostic Theist = "I know there is a god."
Please don't misuse the term "agnostic" again.
*God reveal himself to people who seek him with pure intention*
I was a devout Christian for more than 20 years. I did plenty of pure-intentioned seeking. There was no evidence, therefore it is irrational to believe.
*especially if that God consider certain things he like as sins.*
Prove that there is such a thing as a "sin".
*And God knows every thought or intention of men so he won't reveal himself to prideful people atheist or not.*
Then your god is a huge dick. What kind of asshole REQUIRES you to believe he exists in order to avoid eternal torture, but then hides when a prideful person genuinely seeks him out?
*An other thing*
Another* thing
*after being converted I was looking for healings and miracles I've seen planty of them*
[ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia ]
[ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia ]
*my friends healed in prayer time blind person in a friend's family, knee injury etc*
Your logical fallacy is: Anecdotal evidence.
[ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence ]
*The other problem is the misunderstanding for example catholicism is faaaar away from the bible cause religious added thing that has nothing to do with it.*
Protestantism (which is what I followed for 20+ years) is a DERIVATIVE of Catholicism. Which means, anything they made up and added (like the Virgin Birth, Hell, and the Resurrection) that wasn't cut by Martin Luther is wrong. And also anything that Protestant preachers made up and added which was never part of Catholicism or Judaism (like the Rapture) is also wrong.
*◄ 1 Timothy 4 ►*
Why should I care what an old work of bad fiction says?
*So I'm not a religious Jesus did not come to bring a religion.*
You poor, gullible, fool. If I tell you I don't come to hit you, but then I hit you, would you tell everyone I didn't hit you? Regardless of what the Bible claims Jesus said, Christianity IS a religion, by every definition of the word, and you are religious for following it, by definition.
*Religious wanted the crusade but nowhere in the new testament it is found.*
The New Testament doesn't describe YOU, so I don't care what it does or does not say about the religious (you).
*Ephisians **6:12*
Don't care, just some book.
*So when religious meant real weapons for so called “holy ware" the bible meant spiritual weapons:*
Wow, how egocentric. The world doesn't use YOUR special definition for "religion" (or your crappy book's).
Religion - n :
a particular system of faith and worship; the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods
That's you.
*Ephesians **6:16**-17*
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone 17:197
"There are all kinds of courage," said Dumbledore, smiling. "It takes a great deal of bravery to stand up to our enemies, but just as much to stand up to our friends. I therefore award ten points to Mr. Neville Longbottom."
Just as meaningful as your fictional quote.
*religious are totally hypocrites and misleading people for their own agenda.*
Wonderful, happy that you could admit it.
Lowraith You may realise in time that these people are posioned. They cannot leave their shell of belief and step outside of it and bare the damage the may have to withstand. They fear that they may be wrong so they try everything to defend their belief no matter how irrational it becomes. Simply put it's a waste of time trying to change their mind... I rather spend time thinking about philosophical concepts other than God/creation/anything religious related.
I'm gay and drugs and alcohol abuse are not apart of my "culture". My culture is literally like anyone else's except I have a boyfriend.
+anthony f rodriguez Well, they are part of our "culture" according to these "omniscient" Cross-lickers.
"God created Adam and Eve" well is your name Adam? Is your girlfriends name Eve? No? Oh man I guess you two can't get married then.
Looking at how this guy moves my guess is that his "girlfriend" is not Eve, but Steve.
What?
Lol
Why do they always stress ONE man and ONE woman? None of these gay rights supporters are pushing for polygamy. None of them.
You know the funnies part about this? The BIBLE actually pushes for polygamy!
+Scootaloo And it doesn't have a problem with incest too :-))
+Scootaloo AND INCEST!!!
*****
Can you prove it?
+Lars Andersson
The problem with all slippery slope arguments is that they imply you don't really have a good reason for your standard, and therefore all standards are arbitrary. Do you have an argument against polygamy or incest that doesn't appeal to convention? What makes a thing actually wrong, as opposed to merely unconventional?
two men holding hands is uncomfortable? i think its uncomfortable when people walk around with a dead guy on a cross in a necklace
+Emil Schwaner Right? Because nothing says love and joy like a fucking ancient, blood-soaked pagan torture device. Religious people are sick as hell.
+marksmith46
we live in a democracy where everyone is entitled to their opinions whether you like it or not, there's nothing wrong with people liking or disliking homosexuality.
+Ben Dover Yes, there is something wrong with it. People are ugly to gay people because of their dislike. Sometimes they're violent and murderous, and not one of those people supports the happiness of gay people. There is indeed something wrong with people who cause hurt to other.
marksmith46
i respect the rights and freedom of gay people, there is nothing you can do about it. but i still dislike homosexuality, everyone is entitled to opinions, we live in a democracy remember.
Fuck your dislike.
I love how they point to Adam and Eve. Because, you know, that worked out great.
+Gabby Weber
Us: Equality, civil rights, union, love, family.
Them: Adam&Eve, Anthropology, Bible, Hell, ButtSex.
And we're the insane ones lmao.
***** So true
It's Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve
BIANCERS Adam and Steve would have been able to avoid original sin
+Gabby Weber ummmmm no God allowed us free will
"It's because God made it this way, why should we change the traditions of marriage?"
"Oh by the way I'm a divorcée."
@@johnnygreen200 Just because someone gets married doesn't mean they can immediately adopt kids, there's a lot of red tape to go through, even for straight people. It's not like any two gays or lesbians could get a kid whenever they feel like. Besides, the whole point of this video depends on the thought that gay parents are somehow bad for kids? Do you have evidence of that?
I wish these people would explain why it's wrong without mentioning God/the bible
I will! Because men and men can't conceive. And if the whole world turns gay lets just hope it doesn't go that far....kids are being influenced by gays as it is
the world is overlopulated anyway so it doesnt matter if gay people have kids. and gay people cant turn straight people gay just like black people cant turn a white person black.
jasmin malave Relax. The whole world isn't going to turn gay just because same-sex marriage is legal.
jasmin malave "Because men and men can't conceive. And if the whole world turns gay lets just hope it doesn't go that far....kids are being influenced by gays as it is" And where did you get this result from? Your ass?
Probably a Genius I will take your assertion as it is... Just an assertion. Give me something that I can substantiate....
Your uncomfortable with a boy holding hands with a boy or a girl holding hands with a girl? like ffs what the gay youth has to go though and the courage it takes to hold hands in public should be put in galleries, its not easy to do, men and women do it everyday and no one bats a eye. I don't understand how people can be so horrible.
HeyHoorays In my school, according to the rules, no one is allowed to hold hands. Gay or straight hand holding
Syklone lol why are you holding a gay man’s hand? To be provocative?
I'm gay and I'm happy, I don't do drugs, and the only reason I have depression is from my anxiety which has nothing to do with me being gay so…
I beg to differ your anxiety is related to you wanting it up the butt on the time so you gotta fix that .
Bluewolf I'm a girl and I'm asexual so…
Alyssa Traina I am also a healthy gay man who suffers from mild depression and anxiety.
@Ana Horvat Do you know why there's a "drop in pure heterosexuals"?
It's because more people are able to come out and not fear getting shot on sight. Homosexuals have always existed, they just don't tell anyone out of fear.
Seeing a gay couple holding hands is uncomfortable? Any other first world problems you want to tell us about??
Bluewolf exactly! I hate that iam so triggered!! lol
Exhibit B, the straight male who doesn't actually care about LGBTQ rights because the state of his own dick and his big thick bible are more important to him.
+Pseudo Saccharine why should someone care about LGBT if he doesn't like it? Everyone has got his own opinion and priority if you like it or not.
It's pretty rude to tolerate LGBT people only when they're satisfying your twisted sexual fantasies. It's really messed up for you to fetishize a good relationship?? You're disgusting.
+Bluewolf
Woahwoahwoahwoah, slow the fuck down. First off, can you not butcher English grammar? Second, *who* doesn't deserve rights?? A woman from California, a starbuck guzzler, or a LGBT person? Don't make such a big mess out of yourself before you start punching that keyboard, it's entirely avoidable.
here's a fun fact- in ancient time a good percentage of spartans were actually gay, mostly because they couldnt see woman most of the time but still :p
He's a fun fact, you have no historical evidence to back that statement up and are just going by a liberal article you found on the internet.
will connor lol i didnt use the internet to get that info i read books, lots of books
patrick Katalenas also scientists say that in nature it is normal for animals to be gay so people who say its not "natural" are wrong because animals obviously don't choose to be gay and haven't been taught it, its just a natural thing in all species including humans
cutiesaurus yay for science! :3
patrick Katalenas Didn't all greeks have those tendencies, or was it truly only the Spartans? I read that the Athenians were notorious boy-lovers, but I and what I read could be wrong.
To the black lady in this video - I guess you don't realize that the same arguments you and your church comrades are making against gay marriage were used a short time ago to try and keep interracial marriages from becoming legal. The Bible was also used to condone the African slave trade and slavery in the Southern states.
She's probably blinded by religion, like so many black folk are, all the while ignorant of the African slave trade, slavery, and all the other ills of religion.
Exactly. No one ever believes me when I tell them that it was the Bible that justified the slave trade, but I learned it in school.
***** I would just like to point out that you call yourself a Christian, yet you go on to use derogatory names towards people whose opinions you do not like. I don't support Homosexuality, but I'm not swearing up a storm to prove why I don't. Yes, you support it and you're a Christian, but acting out like that isn't going to give Christians a good name either.
Take religion out of it, they have no argument
They never had any good point, really.
@@pasdenom.9062 exactly
Mohamed Zidane Why? Explain why. What do you have against them? Be specific.
Really? I am opposed to gay marriage but I'm not anti gay. I have gay friends and family. I have yet to ever meet a real homophobic. You are falling for propaganda. This is why I believe gay marriage is wrong. It's all to do with family and children and their rights. I'm all for civil partnership. This will explain - th-cam.com/video/syqUadNVrf0/w-d-xo.html
You know who has to qualify a statement with “I’m not homophobic, I have gay friends...?” Homophobes, that’s who. Also, civil partnerships are not treated like marriage and even if it was it would still be separate but equal and that just doesn’t ever work out that well for anyone.
God also told us to sell all our possessions and give the money to charity, not to eat shellfish, not to wear blended material fabrics, not braid your hair, not to get tattoos, to have more than one wife, or for a woman to speak in a church.
I have never heard a single good reason to not allow gay marriage, nor have I heard a single good reason for why it's bad to be gay. How can we still be having this discussion if everyone who is anti-gay can't even come up one fucking reason to back up their viewpoint? It's so stupid.
I have never heard a single good reason to allow gay marriage. No reasonable person is suggesting that homosexuals should not have relationships of equal status to heterosexuals (I am aware that in the USA this is not the case, but gay marriage is a global thing). Should people start protesting in the streets because their IQ is not high enough to grant them membership in Mensa? Do you also actively protest about scholarship exclusivity?
Lkonae
*"I have never heard a single good reason to allow gay marriage. No reasonable person is suggesting that homosexuals should not have relationships of equal status to heterosexuals"* These two sentences are not logically consistent.
Kevin Luna Marriage is a relationship, but not all relationships are marriages. Homosexuals can have sexual/intimate emotional relationships that are of equivalent societal status as heterosexuals without the relationship being defined as a marriage. In my country (not USA), this occurs.
Gay marriage is probably the biggest non-issue of the decade. Unless I misunderstood, there is no problem with the logic in my previous comment.
Lkonae If homosexuals cannot get married, their relationships are not equal to heterosexual relationships.
Kevin Luna Marriage is ordained by the Church. Who gives a fuck if your relationship is sanctioned by the Church. Civil union = same rights as marriage since both are seen as civil unions by the Government..
Have you ever thought once, just once, that maybe some people aren't Christian?
Doesn't matter if some people aren't Christian, its wrong
Connor O'Brien what exactly is wrong,Jude?
I am opposed to gay marriage but I'm not anti gay. I have gay friends and family. I have yet to ever meet a real homophobic. You are falling for propaganda. This is why I believe gay marriage is wrong. It's all to do with family and children and their rights. I'm all for civil partnership. th-cam.com/video/syqUadNVrf0/w-d-xo.html
@@connorobrien3477 You are a shallow, pridefully ignorant hate filled lump of dog shit.
@@johnnygreen200 You fucking ignorant moron. Gay people have families more than 250,000 just in the US.
I'm Christian. I believe in God. That does not mean I don't support gay marriage. in fact I'm all for it. Let me ask you anti gay people this : why do you get to love who you want but gay people can't? not even just gay, gay is just the umbrella of it all. all sexualities. and even religion walks its way into this. i don't disrespect atheists even though I'm Christian. my friends are atheists and gay etc. you wouldn't go up to an atheist and say "you'll burn forever" so don't go saying that to someone who's sexuality isn't straight because you can't change your sexuality. you don't choose to be gay or lesbian etc. you're born with it.
lol ur not a real Christian.
I wish more religious people were like you!
Gerald Vounas just because I feel that God loves everyone means I'm not christian? Wow. so you're telling me that God doesn't love everyone?
Michaela Cooper Gay people have a lot of girls to choose from, so they have the same amount of choice as straight people do.
It's sad because all those people are giving religious people a bad rep.
Religious people are always giving religious people a bad rep
Emma Plays exactly
Emma Plays Amen
Religion gives religious people a bad rep. Good people exist without any form of religion and so it's an outdated and archaic concept.
Those people are religious people.
It just pisses me off that they feel as though they're entitled to tell me who the fuck I should marry.
Yeah I should be allowed to marry my cell phone if I so choose to do so...I won't but I'm just saying fuck the religious people and their silly nonsense.
***** I don't care I'm anti-religious. Also dickwad racist isn't the term you're looking for. Christians aren't a race...numb nuts! And just because you and a few of the other crazy religious people like you don't care doesn't mean the majority of religious people don't. Oh yeah I won't become like you people because I don't believe in ridiculous things like an invisible sky wizard. Also try using the reply button next time...
Dysfunction Hearts HD If a cell phone is a consenting adult... sure! But it isn't, obviously.
There is no reason two (or more for that matter) consenting adults shouldn't be allowed to marry.
DC Carriere I know...
Dysfunction Hearts HD lol, think I missed the sarcasm there... my bad.
being gay is like being left handed..so its neither wrong nor right ..its just you being yourself and following your heart and mind
Anyone else watch this with their fist clenched?
Patrick Hamilton
Quite a few, I reckon.
Some people will jerk off to anything.
"The gays just do whatever they want in public and seeing them hold hands is uncomfortable for some people" you know what is uncomfortable for us gay people, SEEING RESPONSES LIKE THIS. CONSTANTLY BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST. BEING TOLD THE SAME DAMN THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN. "Man is between man and a woman"... Also, if you think that seeing to men or two women hold hands in public is uncomfortable, last year I went to New Orleans and there was at least 3 straight couples HAVING SEX IN AN ALLY. Talk about uncomfortable. That's unsettling for everyone.
Note: I'm not disagreeing with you. But if that argument were valid, we should just ban all PDA because it makes asexuals uncomfortable.
@@Shadow-bi5ns yes.
In 20 years time when I have kids, there are going to be gay couples walking hand in hand down the street, adopting kids, no more gay bashing at school, no more prejudice, no more inner turmoil about denying who you are. And my kids will look back on these dark days when we treated homosexuals so poorly just like I look back in horror to a time when black people had to sit in different sections of the bus.
But at least we are moving forward. Change is inevitable!
+nairby why does it have to be a dream they simply love each other does sex matter. Just because god said Adam and Eve are meant to be together in the garden or whatever doesn't mean a man and a man or a woman and a woman can't be together. Marriage isn't the end of your life goals it's just part of it so why should a different type of relationship be restricted because it's part of their rights but now it's being restricted because it's "unnatural" "or odd". Like the video says we aren't supposed to create rules and laws based on religion or just opinion, it's if is so,etching bad going to happen if this is carried out. Nothing is going to go wrong if a gay couple marries because they are no different from an hetero (straight) couple
Because we live in a secular country, can anyone give me one reason that gays can't get married that doesn't involve religion/god in some way?
Branden Merritt define the difference between CIVIL UNION and MARRIAGE. is marriage a legal OR religious concept primarily?? the basis of the ruling is NOT about equal rights. homosexuals arent asking for equal rights....they are asking for MARRIAGE. indeed, immediately after the ruling pastors and clerks have been sued to FORCE others to accept their marriage, NOT equal rights.
Marriage is a legal and secular institution these days, people can choose to make it religious, but you don't have to belong to a specific religion or any religion to get married.
The only opposition to gay marriage seems to come from religion. I have yet to see 1 valid argument against gay marriage that doesn't invoke a deity or religion
read the supreme court ruling.
Zarathustra Owens Marriage is a legal civil concept, if it were a religious concept, then church's would be issuing Marriage Licenses; they don't. Marriage Licenses come from city and county courthouses in states throughout the country. Pastors cannot be forced to perform ANY marriage ceremony within their church. Clerks in county courthouses work for the state, and their job is to issue Marriage Licenses to couples who can legally wed. If they can't do their job, then they need to resign, or be fired. They cannot try to impose their religious beliefs on other local citizens who come into the courthouse to obtain a Marriage License.
ok...let me clarify some legal terms for you. one is called "marriage", which is any anthroplogy book as a RELIGIOUS concept. the OTHER is called "civil union", which is a legal concept. ancient egypt, for example, had ONLY "civil union". so...point: youre wrong. you should study anthropology. churches CAN be forced to perform gay marriages. its called "lawsuit". google that to learn that numerous such lawsuits care currently in progress. third, in KY [which differs from other states] a county clerk is ELECTED. it isnt a job. you cant be "fired". you dont "resign". they are DIRECTLY elected by voters in an ELECTION. get it? they can be impeached or resign...but not "fired". 4th.....she offered to have other clerks do the job. it was refused by the LAWSUITS and the governor. thats called FORCE. follow? no one is imposing religious beliefs. she is simply upholding the KY CONSTITUTION, which directly states that gay marriage isnt legal. if you dont like that then VOTE, but you cant simply change laws with "political correctness". in case you didnt realize: the supreme court has zero legislative power. google that word too.
If you say "It's Adam And Eve not Adam and Steve" I will make you Adam and Leave
when people say its adam and eve I say love is in your head not in your reproductive organs.
I am against the marriage of one conservative man and one conservative woman.
I swear, I am going to one of these things with my girlfriend ( I'm a girl ) ,hold hands the entire time and say hi to everyone there.
Ticci Toby Be careful, and don't put yourself or your girlfriend in danger. Some of those could probably be violent. It's probably better if you get some friends to come along too.
Be safe, bring something you can defend yourself with, I really hate to say it and it hurts to do so but people like this can get violent, people don't like embracing new ideas
I would be careful, don't worry XD
I would hate putting my girlfriend in danger
Geert Matthys Comments like that why people hate anti Gays bollocks
I hate hearing people use their religion as an excuse against this. So, on my friend's Facebook some people gotten into an argument about same sex marriage. I went on and said that I didn't see anything wrong with it. I talked with several preachers, read the bible, looked at historical context, and found.....nothing wrong. Besides, seperation of church and state. It doesn't matter what my religion says.
Well, my preacher from camp came on there. He completely dismissed me and then made it out that I was too young to understand and isn't so good to see adults debating and setting an example for the youth? Then I was asked to message him and explain my thoughts. I did and told him the same thing I did there. He pointed me towards some strange book and refused to talk further.
I'm a Christian but in no way fond of the church. This is why I'm American Baptist. I don't do well with being told what to believe and think and to just accept it.
As a woman I feel so fucking disappointed seeing so many women in these kind of events I still don't get why a lot of women are religious in the first place and to see them oppressing minorities like this as if they don't know the meaning of oppression is even worse
some of them don't know it that's why .
Their entire defense is the Bible. Last time I checked we have a separation of church and state.
Traditional definition of marriage = "I now declare you Man and property"
Well put.
Since when was marriage invented by religion? My parents got married at the local government admin centre(is that what it's called), a nice motherly woman approved their certificate. No priest or god or pastor involved, other than a wedding ceremony that stretched Grandpa's wallet to the max.
you know im bisexual and Christian and truely I think if you have your own relationship with god then thats all that matters. god loves everyone why can't the people who are against this love everyone too. this is a civil right. just like women rights in the early nineteen hundreds and colored folks right in nineteen thirties. people shame us just because it should be a man and a women. this is hard for my bc im bisexual, fifteen, and Christian but I can stand my ground and say my god loves everyone!
God Does Love Everyone!
'Because it's the way it is'
'Because it's the right thing to do'
'Because that's what I believe'
'Because it is against my religion'
'Because it is normal and you are wrong'
Some brilliant responses here... -.-
And more importantly," Because I'm not taught to think for myself ".
.... Religion religion religion...
The opiate of the people...
The bane of man's existence !.
lxiv64 Religion is no longer the opium of the masses. Today it is more like the Crystal Meth of the people.
Using opium gives the users a sense of euphoria, dulling their thought processes, usually making them sleepy or lethargic and over time, they need more and more to get that euphoric feeling, sort of like those nut jobs in the video. God is their security blanket and religion their pacifier. But as for crystal meth, that's really bad shit and I can see the analogy, pretty frightening!
***** My lack of belief in god doesn't propel me to make converts but your buddies are compelled by their holy book to win the world for christ. You may be decent person but your religion is meth. I stand by my statement.Read your bible you are a decent person precisely because you don't follow your holy book very closely by accepting gay people and other religions.... No one comes to the father but through me John 4:6Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (NIV). Corinthians6:9=10.
the guy around 2:02 is only upset about the hand holding lol when I was a kid in church we all held hands and prayed lol I guess 2 people of the same sex can only hold hands of its for prayer
Ok, so you say we have to stick with Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve were a straight couple ( a man and a women). So that means relationships have to be between a man and a woman. But I'd Adam and Eve both had brown hair, does that mean Marriage can only be between two brunettes?
The fact that they traveled 100's if not 1000's of miles to protest a choice some people make, that has nothing to do with them whatsoever leads me to one word "losers".
I think what the people "defending" their "religious freedoms" don't understand is that their religious doctrine tells them what they are and are not supposed to do. For whatever reason, people interpret that as an environment surrounding them that the bible provides for them.
If you think that a gay couple will burn in hell, that's an idiotic opinion that you have every right to have, but the fact that they make the connection between it and public policy shows that they really have the arrogance to believe that the bible protects (or should protect) them from an environment where those "sins" would be carried out.
They never will understand the separation of church and state because they're too arrogant to even accept that their beliefs are in-fact "beliefs" and not proven facts.
You were saying everything I was screaming at my phone. 🏳️🌈
Imagine spending your whole life following a religion based on a 2,000 year old book that was written by the Romans to blame the Jews for killing Jesus.
They literally sound like robots... this is so sad. Not one nugget of substantiated claims in the lot of them. It's all religious talking points that either includes "my belief" or "(enter already debunked reasoning, here)".
How has mental healthcare not caught up to this problem, yet? I'm not saying this to be purposely facetious or rude.... I really mean it, this behavior is totally off. They are literally staving off reality in order to live out their perspective or self-derived world view. That is clinically defined, already, but they escape the label of illness because.... it's the norm?
I've never chomped on religion like that, before. I can see why people become so aggressive on the topic... it's such blatantly irrational behavior, but it's completely overlooked.
Dyvim Tvar There's a difference between being hardwired to see and hear things that aren't there, and being taught to feel that way.
In essence, religion amounts to the same systemic damage that abuse provides. (Mostly emotional, not so much physical this day and age) Applying mental pressures through socialization. It's not even about being poorly educated on reality... this isn't just a knowledge thing... this is manipulating the emotions of human beings to pressure certain world views on people during childhood (When minds are most malleable) or times of strife/hardship.
It's rare to see religion be adopted by anyone who is in a rational, mature, or stable mindset for a reason. It relies on the absence of evidence and the ignoring of key scientific aspects to accomplish their belief. With those kinds of attributes, it's no wonder these beliefs proliferate.... we're all mentally immature at one point in our lives, and we all deal with depression or emotional instability on some level, at times, as well.
I dont see why anyone gives any fucks what anyone does. As long as im not kissing guys or girls infront of you and having sex in the streets i see absolutely no reason to prohibit marriage. Hell, whatever happened to America being free? I thought we had the right to do whatever we wanted to do as long as it doesn't harm you. And to all anti-gay straight people and homophobes... I cant pick what makes me happy. If, in my free time, i like to date men and or women why can't i? ( im bi that may sum up that short little "guys and or girls part" ) i would never deny you the happiness you deserve by denying you a partner in marriage. Why deny me?
Sex in the streets is next to be legalized...Actually it already is.....
C Abdul Rashid
No it isn't. There should still be no lewd behavior in public or in front of kids.
I don't even care if a homosexual couple kisses in front of me. You see heterosexuals do it so much why should we treat your same expression of love differently.
Jacob w because people actually think that because someone wrote somthing down 2000 years ago, that makes it a rule that everyone has to follow.
Jacob w free doesn't mean ignorant or immoral
Surprise, surprise... they're all Christian. Who would've thought?
Some of these people say that legalizing gay marriage is saying that straight marriage is wrong. WTF PEOPLE! If you are letting gay marriage be allowed, you are not in any way affecting straight marriage. And why is it all about religion? I'm Christian, I'm bi, deal with it.
if religion didn't exist the world would be in peace
God can touch their hearts, but can he touch their prostates?
0:40 "Its between *one* man and *one* woman" the bible literally encourages poly marriages
Being a catholic, I agree. Accept all. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that men can't marry other men, and that women can't marry other women. The whole Christian argument really kinda hurts. It's not riggt
When the hell does it say that?!? Do your research before you talk.
This is why I hate living in America
wow you're right so lets promote incest, bestiality, and sex with inanimate objects. These are also sexual deviations that claim they aren't hurting anyone. Let's continue making a mockery of marriage and let anyone marry their favorite pet. They could also have children or puppies if they adopt or have artificial insemination. This may sound extreme to you but so does same sex couples to a lot of us.
***** Christian Marriage sounds the exact same way to everyone else. If we allow Christian marriage.....what's next? Christian marriage to dogs and cats? Christian incest, bestiality, and sex with inanimate objects? The same logic applies.
***** here's a little common sense you might be able to relate to. If you are attracted to someone do you go an tell them or do you use tactics that ultimately get you to the goal you want. Do you think the government is going to come out and tell us. No the government knows we have to slow the population and as a coincidence homosexuality is an issue that needs to be promoted world wide with thing like trade and economic benefits for countries that adopt and promote homosexuality. Our government has never been totally truthful 9/11, JFK and the moon landing are good examples of that.
this makes me so angry. this black guy goes "everybody is walking down the street holding hands like that's ok. like they can do whatever they want." like bruh you would have been on your hands and knees years ago BEGGING for equality, and everybody walking down the street hand in hand. and most of those women have their eats pierced and the men had their hair cut or shaved! like it states in the bible that cutting/shaving your hair, any piecing of the skin, and even eating pork and shellfish is forbidden but you choose to pick out the one sin you don't follow, and pick on others. well guess what bitches! love is beautiful! no matter what. I'm twelve and I know more than ALL of those adults at that march. I think the biggest and the best step america took was legalizing gay marriage because twin months after that my aunts got married and had a baby. he is my whole world and I love him. but you people are trying to take that away from me, my aunts, my cousin, and from anyone else that has benifited from this law. there really are crule sick people in this world that will take two wonderful mommies away from their nieces and nephews, but most of all their son.
PEOPLE GO AHEAD AND BE RUDE TO SOMEONE WHO IS BASHING YOU. BUT DONT TELL SOMEONE THEY WILL BURN IN HELL FOR BEING THEIR SELVES!
Haters, stop telling us what to do! Ignorance is bliss & hurtful. I will never understand them. Love is love, so stop it. It's one thing to be opinionated, it's another thing to tell us what is right or wrong.
Unfortunately Jesus and the fear of eternal damnation is a powerful way for typically good people to do bad things.
i'm pro gay marriage, but my question is this: why get married at all? it's just unnecessary paperwork if you ask me. i mean hell, most straight people dont even like marriage
This might sound like a little weird but there are actually a lot of federal and state benefits that are associated with marital status that are actually incredibly important and almost all of those benefits aren't covered in civil unions. Joint child custody, hospital visits, joint tax filling (which comes with tax deductions), joint estate, in the case of a break up (because of the inability to have joint estate, children, taxes, etc.) all of the wealth and children will go to one of the ex-spouses because it will not be under both spouses names. Also the fact that we separate the two groups (even if civil union and marriage had the same benefits) is bad in itself.
i know, but when you look at divorce rates it just seems like it's not really worth it; its just an archaic tradition
opsonicfan358 Yeah but that is true, but a divorce from a marital status is much safer for both parties compared to a separation from a civil union for the examples I explained above. I'm gay and I don't agree with the traditionally of the process of marriage but it is still important to have that economic security at the same time. Also it's just offensive that they have to discriminate and place us into a different category.
Mitch Sand true. but (i swear this is not meant to offend in any way. i kinda got a knack for unconsciously doing that) something i never understood is why not have your honeymoon and/or wedding one of the many states that legalize it, preferably on that also legalized marijuana
opsonicfan358 Because why should I have to pick up my bags and move to another state to do something that should be legal but isn't because a bunch of bigots find my sexual preference uncomfortable? Also even though DOMA has been repealed it is still in place that a marriage license for a same sex couple in a state that has legalized gay marriage is not legally recognized if the other state hasn't legally recognized same-sex marriages.
ugh people are so annoying. as a Christian, I believe that people should do what they want to be happy as long as they aren't hurting anyone and if people want to marry someone of the same sex, they can. why do so many Christians think that everyone needs to follow their religion? smh
Well maybe there wouldn't be so much drug abuse and sadness in the "gay life style" if it was a safe environment and they could express themselves without feeling threatened.
Christ, my eyeballs just about rolled out of my head.
Also, the guy in the blue shirt at 0:48..._super-gay_!
Agree!!!
ROFL Just had another look at 0:48 in the vid. I do believe you have something there catdumpling.
I was thinking the same exact thing, haha!
lol
That "pastor," too.
Most of them probably don't even know that Adam and Eve weren't supposed to marry. Lillith was created to marry Adam
Exactly, also later on lilith became a succubus.
"marriage is a covenant between a man, a woman, and god"
does that mean that when a male atheist and a female atheist get married it's not actually marriage?
"And if it harms none, 'do what thou wilt' shall be the whole of the law"
Anyone sporting Duck Dynasty merchandise is an instant target for a punch in the mouth.
Sickening!! All they cite is the bible says...the bible says. That's being narrow minded. So fed up.
exactly.
Ikr. Im a 18 year old Christian and i don't understand how this country can say freedom of religion but then put believes from a religion in the laws. Here is the solution. If you don't believe people should be gay then don't be gay and do what you believe is right.
+chubbychuckle unfortunately doing what you think is right for most other Christians is forcing there belief on non or other religion believers and preventing homosexuals from having rights everyone else already has.
Blank Blanky Yea.
I'm a gay man, I've been with my husband for 17 years. We finally got married when it became legal. We live a nice life in a nice neighborhood. We go out on our boat, enjoy traveling, and giving dinner parties. We are responsible property owners and pay our taxes. We love our families and our friends, and, in fact, have lots and lots of other long-term-relationship gay couple friends both male and female. Not a single one of them is involved in violence or drugs or is promiscuous or "lives their life in despair". In fact, I've yet to meet another gay person who fits the description that that preacher claims is the typical "Gay Life Style". In my 53 years on this earth I have heard many religious leaders describe our lives in this way and yet have NEVER met a single gay person who fits this description. I seriously doubt if that preacher has either, but he does find it so very convenient to use such rubbish to dehumanize and slander a group of people he obviously knows nothing about. I guess it never occurred to him to actually go out and get to know the people he is out campaigning against giving equality and civil rights to. How very Christian.
I love how every single one says something about either complete bull shit in society or complete bull shit in religion.
But god isn't even real.
I love how most of their come backs are just religious
News flash people...NOT EVERYONE BELIEVES IN GOD!
tbh i hate when people say "they/he/she chose to be (enter sexuality here)"
and sometimes i want to say "oh, so you chose to be straight?"
He talks about nothing besides whats in the old testament which we DONT LIVE BY ANYMORE. Oh my word. Non Christians will never understand this apparently. The old law was the law of Moses. "No shell fish, no mixed fabric, polygamy is okay, etc". That was all in the old testament. After Jesus died, the new law went into effect. If people actually studied the bible, they would know this. The new law only has examples of one man and one woman. Nothing else. As Christians, we live by example. Homosexuality is condemned numerous times in the new testament. Revelations 21:8 is probably the most popular verse that talks about it. I'm not trying to argue about this, I'm literally just stating the facts.
Sorry dear, but if the Old testament laws were instated by an UNCHANGING God who is the INERRANT source of ALL objective morality, then this "old law" and "old covenant" BS is just that.. BS. You can't have it both ways. If shellfish, mixed fabrics, etc. were an abomination in the eyes of God then, then they still are now. Unless you want to admit your god is not perfect and unchanging.
And no, there is nothing in the New Testament that condemns homosexuality. Those verses are actually mistranslations of the original Greek texts, which actually condemn temple prostitution.
Fine, let's stick to the NT then. Did you know that Jesus considers divorce and remarriage as being akin to adultery? Where's the push to make remarriage illegal?
revelation 21:8 does not say anything about homosexuality...because it was never mentioned as immoral....what that was referring to was every other sexual immoral act that had already been mentioned such as adultery, rape, pedophilia...homosexuality was never mentioned....
Emily - So you support slavery as well? I believe Paul mentioned slavery - NT. Or how about the subjugation of women - because even if the husband is a drunken abuser, the wife must obey her husband? And remember - even at that time, men could have concubines and sex slaves... Are you in favor of this as well? Or how about the disintegration of the social fabric - because according to Jesus, son will go against father and brother will go against brother and so on... And let's not get into the whole lust issue... Because a lot of men will be blind - do you support the mandatory disfiguration of men because they lusted after a woman? What about divorced people - should we ostracize them as sinners and through them into ghettos?
How about this - do what Christ told you to do... Stop condemning other people whom you think are sinners because you are a sinner. "Let he who is without sin throw the first stone." In other words - stop meddling and mind your own p's and q's.
I guess non Christians will also never get why your beliefs have to be the law either. If being with a gay person is wrong by your beliefs then you probably shouldn't be with one. And abortion is only a sin for *the person who chooses to take that option.* Its not your responsibility to take that choice away for others if they have decided that it is not murder and that they are not ready for a child.
If I was there, I'd just say I decided to go idiot watching.
Well, it's stupid to say "But it's the definition of marriage! It's always been like that!"
You know that it's a civil act, right? We didn't change your religious act. We changed the definition of the civil act, so we didn't change something that always existed. Let alone that religious marriage didn't always exist, but that's not the point. The point is the government shouldn't give a shit of what is written in the bible. Civil marriage and religious marriage have a similar name, but they aren't the same, stop mixing both.
Did any one else thinks how ironic is that a black person opoises equal rigths?, it's like Chris Rock said: "if you are a black christian you have a real short memeory"
Well hey, its against THEIR religion. What about the Presbyterian church? its now defined as two people? So these people are trying to repress ANOTHER christian faith.
Are You serious? I hope this is a satirical post. If not, can you possibly, seriously hypothesize that the gay agenda is so strong that it can actually "force" a Christian sect to accept homosexuality?! If that's the case, these sneaky little conspirators must be everywhere. So, then, why aren't YOU gay, yet?
Hairmetallurgist
No, i'm quite serious. I don't see how this is "forcing" a church into accepting it. They saw the arguement against it as morally wrong and rewrote their laws by vote within the church.
And this isn't the PCA. this is the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A), there is a difference in the two. If you want to define it as a sect, then the Baptist church would fall under that as well, being that they follow a bible that was re-written in favor of King James so he could have multiple wives.
I'm strongly for the homosexual agenda not because I am, but because I think that its morally wrong to deny them the rights of a human being to live a normal life.
It doesn't do any harm to me or anyone around me. There is no reason not to.
I think those people lowered my brain cell count...
I'm gay because gay is ok and I'm only twelve years old I want to grow up in a country where gay is ok to everyone
People realize that marriage has been around longer than Christianity right?
how many of them do you think voted for trump
They got it all wrong, when god said don't let mankind lie with mankind as with womankind, because he wanted them to stand up
I don't think that's a very missionary position.
i dont think it was supposed to be a missionary position
Rise up, gaymers
This is why i'm no longer Christian/Catholic
CreativeArt same here my friend. I abandoned both the Roman Catholic Church and Christianity over 20 years ago.
We're against gay marriage because of our religion but somehow we are ok with freedom of religion despite there being an explicity commandment against that. We can't explain the inconsistency though.
We don't need to practice buddhism etc even if those religions are allowed but somehow we will be FORCED into a gay marriage.