Such a painful yet necessary scene. They were nowhere near ready for each other, both surrounded by so much pride and stubbornness. Incredibly well acted by both.
I daresay this surpasses even Darcy’s first proposal in P&P for messiest, most disastrous period piece proposal. Both men dug holes for themselves and Darcy’s was pretty bad but it’s like he didn’t know until he hit rock bottom. Thornton hit rock bottom, busted out a pickaxe and kept going. He somehow managed to veer a proposal into talking about fruit and politics (which they know they disagree on at this point!) and even dropped the ‘l word’ twice in the span of like a minute. F in the chat for this poor dude, truly 😬😂
Well in the book you get more insight into his feelings. He's very attracted to her and enjoys every interaction that they have, even the arguments, I think he takes what attention he can get from her.
Although it is clear that they like each other, the first minute shows that when it comes to their outlooks on life, they are polar opposites. She couldn't accept him at this point, not until he learned to incorporate a bit of her morality into his business practices and she learned enough business sense to apply her generosity wisely.
It is not until later that Margaret realizes she loves and admires John Thornton, after he saves her from the police iquest and his kindness to her parents though she has rejected him, the last event that makes her realize it is when he looses it all and she just has to rescue him. By then she doesn't suspect he still loves her, but his love is(as it should) is steady and stronger than ever, an we get to the climax of the story, the best smooch in all period dramas, I love it!
The one in Pride and Prejudice 2005 comes pretty close, but this is perfect. He sounds so passionate and unrestrained. And the sarcasm is sharp and stinging, just as he intended.
Having watched many period dramas over the years...this is still been one of my top 3. After my exams, I'm going to treat myself to a N&S marathon - turn my phone off, get my duvet, make a pot of tea and then dive into this bliss. Then I'm going to start on my Robin Hood box set....can't wait!!!!
The cadence of Thornton's breathing between the phrases "you assume because I'm in trade, I'm only capable of thinking in terms of buying and selling" and "that I take pleasure in sending my employees into an early grave!" suggests that his feelings are much more intense than he ever lets show. It sounds as if he might be fighting back tears. He often comes across as cold, harsh, severe, and uncompromising but it becomes obvious that this is a facade which he's probably felt compelled to cultivate deliberately even though it doesn't really reflect the nature of the man underneath.
I watched all 4 episodes of this in the early hours and cried like a baby. Love Armitage as John Thornton- he is superb. The music is amazing too. LOVE LOVE LOVE his voice. Hot hot hot haha.
I see it over and over and over again... and every single time is just like the first time. I just love this story. Amazing actors, every single one of them. Is simply pure pleasure to see it. Richard Armitage is a excellent actor. He deserves to do more good pictures, we def. deserve to see him more often.
He also says he was trying to give her his heart ("Oh, there are others? This happens to you every day? Of course. You must have to disappoint so many men that offer you their heart.") :'( Poor Thornton.
reading the book just makes this scene that much better, because you know exactly what Mr. Thorton's feeling. he loves her so much and is so crushed when she rejects him that he almost cries. 'I don't want to possess you, I want to marry you because I love you!" *dies*
The first thing i do when i come across a scene that i like so much in a show, is to look that scene up in TH-cam, to save it and to read the comments underneath it, it's my version of discussing it, only it is in an open amount of times, and with countless number of people world wide.
I hate that they didn't put in the part where he tells that - now he has discocered love - e WILL keep loving her, wether she finds it offensive or not. I think he would have delivered it splendidly.
This moment when he opens his Heat for her " I don't want what to possess you I want to marry you because I love you " and she answers I don't even like you. that is a heartbreaking moment brilliantly acted Thank you for this movie
Was introduced to Richard Armitage via The Hobbit films and decided to look at his other work. This was the first thing I watched and it instantly became one of my favorite period pieces ever.
Also just finished watching this on netflix and really enjoyed it. I haven't watched a movie/series that I have enjoyed this much in years. Armitage is an amazing, amazing actor....He should be forever proud of this role.
You might want to get hold of the CVD; each of the episodes is a good 6-7 minutes longer than the 50' versions shown on Netflix. Small scenes but helpful ones.
It's about the differences between the North (industrial, poorer england) and the south (rural england) and the prejudices one girl brings with her from the south when she moves to the north.
I only caught a piece of this over Christmas!!!,it took my breath away,so I have just ordered it from Germany,and it will allow you to put it into English, just watched it all,it's just so magical,the music is perfect,I wish I could meet a man like him, strong, kind, compassionate,and full of love!!!! hey ho I can dream🤗🇬🇧
I THINK HE WOULD MAKE A PERFECT MR ROCHESTER ON A JANE EYRE ADAPTATION.HIS VOICE IS DEEP,HIS LOOK IS PASSIONATE AND HIS ACTING IS BRILLIANT.I WATCHED THE SERIES THE DAY BEFORE AND ADMIRED HIS ACTING SKILLS.THAT KIND OF ROLES SUIT HIM.
what an epic tale, to be able to portray such emotion and feeling, these actors are surpurb in these roles i felt every hope , dispear and dissappoint along with them both :)
Margaret was such a elegant refined women, yes she might have been of lower life style but that never stopped her from showing others kindness I feel in love with her the moment I saw her, I loved this show.
I'm looking at this and feel sort of hipster-ish couse i adored this man ever since i saw him in N&S. He's an amazing actor and I'm so glad he finally got the chance with The Hobbit to be well known all over the world, not just the UK and amongst period-drama fans.
Thank you for posting this. Love this story and this version of the book. He's a bit scary here...can't really blame her for saying no...at this stage...but yes, when he says he loves her my knees go weak too..
I remember watching this scene for the first time. When the scene finished, I flipped out and panicked. I was like: "What do you mean this is the end!?" I wasn't aware that there was a second disc.
We watchced this outta boredom and became instantly entranced with this show :) Watched it from beginning to end on youtube and loved it. This part was really sad tho :( I loved this love story :D
I had downloaded this drama and when i m depressed and feeling bad i wath it and the music the characters the story every thing make me feel relaxed i love it
OMG, THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! I have been absolutely DYING to see this! This is my next DVD buy and I'm so happy I got a glimpse of it! I absolutely LOVE the book and it looks like I will love the series as well! The scene is so sweet and the passion with which he's expressing his feelings for her *sigh*. And can I just state for the record that that man is completely and utterly hot! WOW! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!
That moment at 1:36, where her expression goes blank, you know in her head she’s thinking, “oh no, I’ve been in this position before and this is not going to end well”.
I wouldn't completely agree with you. It's not like in P&P - there's nothing REALLY objectionable about Thornton's proposal - he's proposing because he loves her and has realized it, and he thinks maybe he has a tiny chance because she saved his life. He just had incredibly bad timing, because she's spent a night agonizing over how everyone must think she's trying to 'trap' him, and she sees his proposal as him being forced to, because he's sympathetic to the 'exposure' she's made of herself.
Well, in my humble opinion, he has chosen a very bad time for proposal😅 Not that she would accept a day or two before or after. But at least they could have a decent conversation. She has a wound in her head, her mother is ill, her friend is dying, other people she knows are chased by police. And honestly, all their conversations to this point were bickering. Why the hell did he propose now?
it was a duty then ....to save her reputation.....because throwing herself on him in front of the angry crowd was considered a big scandal ...she was ruined and therefore he had to propose to her.... fortunately he loved her and thought that she saved him from the crowd because of some affection for him! and he was shocked by the sad truth that she didn't like him at all or at least that's what she thought!!
In the final scene in the film , and in the novel, he breaks through to her with soft gentle touching, not with words. It seems talking about love causes Margaret to panic. In the novel it isn’t kissing, but just holding her that causes her to relax and melt into him
Very good point. I was trying to find the words myself but couldn't quite put my finger on it. Kind of makes their love at the end more deep-reaching and soul-stirring.
Yes, but she doesn't want to love him. She sees him as beneath her. He's a working man. He dirties his hands. She's been taught that is below her (by her aunt, not her parents). So she tells herself that she cannot love someone beneath her. She needs to realize that she needs to be worthy of him. Read the book, it's excellent.
I didn't understand it at first either. But I think you'll find the answer in the book. In the book, he said that if he had a chance in a thousand of winning her, he would take it. I think it's more about him making his feelings known really.
This scene in the book is so much better and the aftermath. Its a pity they didn’t end this scene like in the book where he says to her that he has never been in love before and nothing she can do will stop him loving her(or words to that effect)😉
please do. I strongly recommend you the book and the tv series. They are absolutely amazing, although the series is more easy to watch. It beats Pride and Prejudice, in my opinion. Enjoy! I wish I could watch this wonderful series for the first time again... I envy you :)
i grab every opportunity to see a few scenes of this series and admire Richard Armitage as he was in a younger age and i am bewildered to notice tha the has not changed.
"I don't want to possess you, I want to marry you because I love you!"
SAME!!
same i keep coming back to this ugh he's perfect
Such a painful yet necessary scene. They were nowhere near ready for each other, both surrounded by so much pride and stubbornness. Incredibly well acted by both.
"One minute we talk of the color of fruit, the next of love. How does that happen?" You brought up both topics, John! LOL
lol literally no one said anything about the fruit but you John 😂
The proposal scene is longer, they cut out a part of it. You can find the full scene on TH-cam
I daresay this surpasses even Darcy’s first proposal in P&P for messiest, most disastrous period piece proposal. Both men dug holes for themselves and Darcy’s was pretty bad but it’s like he didn’t know until he hit rock bottom. Thornton hit rock bottom, busted out a pickaxe and kept going. He somehow managed to veer a proposal into talking about fruit and politics (which they know they disagree on at this point!) and even dropped the ‘l word’ twice in the span of like a minute. F in the chat for this poor dude, truly 😬😂
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I love the series, but honestly it does not do the original proposal right.. The novel showed his vulnerability and passion much better
@@scorpiog23 Yeah, I read the novel after watching the series and I really enjoyed it! Gave a lot of depth to the characters and their feelings!
He should have known a lady NEVER speaks of fruit and politics!
@@scorpiog23 there is a much lengthier version of this scene that sadly was shortened
Such a deep husky voice and eyes filled with hurt and love, brilliant acting Richard
Well in the book you get more insight into his feelings. He's very attracted to her and enjoys every interaction that they have, even the arguments, I think he takes what attention he can get from her.
Yes I agree
Totally! Intensely in love with her.
Although it is clear that they like each other, the first minute shows that when it comes to their outlooks on life, they are polar opposites. She couldn't accept him at this point, not until he learned to incorporate a bit of her morality into his business practices and she learned enough business sense to apply her generosity wisely.
When he says "I understand you completely" the pain he feels expresses itself so well... Breaks my heart every time :(
HE IS GREAT I don't remember how many time i have seen movie and read the book
@@patriciasalyers9875 where did u watched the full movie
@@Dzion5050 it’s a BBC Miniseries (4 episodes) available in Britbox and Dailymotion
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in united srates on PBS tv@@Dzion5050
I've watched this scene an unhealthy number of times.
The so many emotions that he is feeling: hope, love, shyness, fear, insecurity, offence, jealousy, hurt, embarrassment, pain and despair.
It is not until later that Margaret realizes she loves and admires John Thornton, after he saves her from the police iquest and his kindness to her parents though she has rejected him, the last event that makes her realize it is when he looses it all and she just has to rescue him. By then she doesn't suspect he still loves her, but his love is(as it should) is steady and stronger than ever, an we get to the climax of the story, the best smooch in all period dramas, I love it!
The one in Pride and Prejudice 2005 comes pretty close, but this is perfect. He sounds so passionate and unrestrained. And the sarcasm is sharp and stinging, just as he intended.
Pride and Prejudice can not hold a candle to North and South This is best ever
I love how dramatically his voice changes when he says "Excuse me?"
Having watched many period dramas over the years...this is still been one of my top 3. After my exams, I'm going to treat myself to a N&S marathon - turn my phone off, get my duvet, make a pot of tea and then dive into this bliss. Then I'm going to start on my Robin Hood box set....can't wait!!!!
Which is the third one? Assuming pride and prejudice is the second one
Where did you find the whole movie.? I had watched it on TH-cam before and I loved it. I can’t find it anywhere now. So disappointed.
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All I heard is him say “I love you” twice😍❤️🔥
The cadence of Thornton's breathing between the phrases "you assume because I'm in trade, I'm only capable of thinking in terms of buying and selling" and "that I take pleasure in sending my employees into an early grave!" suggests that his feelings are much more intense than he ever lets show. It sounds as if he might be fighting back tears. He often comes across as cold, harsh, severe, and uncompromising but it becomes obvious that this is a facade which he's probably felt compelled to cultivate deliberately even though it doesn't really reflect the nature of the man underneath.
'I understand you completely.'
Such a great exit line.
I love the music from this movie! One of the finest sound tracks ever!!!
I watched all 4 episodes of this in the early hours and cried like a baby. Love Armitage as John Thornton- he is superb. The music is amazing too. LOVE LOVE LOVE his voice. Hot hot hot haha.
After all these years I can never get over you Mr Thornton.
Same here … fallen for him so badly that I burn my food when cooking ….
same watch or read several times a week
The most passionate proposal scene ever ❤️
wow...his voice is so amazing it just makes u melt....
I see it over and over and over again... and every single time is just like the first time. I just love this story. Amazing actors, every single one of them. Is simply pure pleasure to see it. Richard Armitage is a excellent actor. He deserves to do more good pictures, we def. deserve to see him more often.
He also says he was trying to give her his heart ("Oh, there are others? This happens to you every day? Of course. You must have to disappoint so many men that offer you their heart.") :'( Poor Thornton.
reading the book just makes this scene that much better, because you know exactly what Mr. Thorton's feeling. he loves her so much and is so crushed when she rejects him that he almost cries.
'I don't want to possess you, I want to marry you because I love you!" *dies*
What a beautiful scene. Richard Armitage what a great caring actor and a gentle man. Where’s me tissues.
Gorgeous scene. Real romance, real emotion, raw love.
This is my favorite part and It never bores me... He's one of the most perfect characters that have been created in the world...
Don't remind me that he's not real😅
My God....He's simply great and handsome! His voice is the most beautiful voice I ever heard...love him!!!
Thornton: "I do understand. I understand you completely".
Narrator: "Alas, dear reader, he did not".
😂
The first thing i do when i come across a scene that i like so much in a show, is to look that scene up in TH-cam, to save it and to read the comments underneath it, it's my version of discussing it, only it is in an open amount of times, and with countless number of people world wide.
I hate that they didn't put in the part where he tells that - now he has discocered love - e WILL keep loving her, wether she finds it offensive or not. I think he would have delivered it splendidly.
This moment when he opens his Heat for her " I don't want what to possess you I want to marry you because I love you " and she answers I don't even like you. that is a heartbreaking moment brilliantly acted Thank you for this movie
my heart was utterly wrenched when i first saw this...i cried and i literally felt depressed for the next 24 hours. he's a terrific actor.
OMG! I always cry when i see this scene. Richard Armitage played so perfectly! Thanks God for this talented man:)
Was introduced to Richard Armitage via The Hobbit films and decided to look at his other work. This was the first thing I watched and it instantly became one of my favorite period pieces ever.
Richard Armitage has been in two of the best ever proposal scenes. This one and the one from Vicar of Dibley.
Yesssss i loved him in the vicar of dibley
Vicar of Dibley should have run for years. We were robbed!
Agreed!!!!
Agreed!!!
I missed it where can i find a copy@@gracewalker4570
Richard Armitage...SWOON:)
This scene is so great. I LOVE this movie. One of my all-time favorite love stories.
Also just finished watching this on netflix and really enjoyed it. I haven't watched a movie/series that I have enjoyed this much in years. Armitage is an amazing, amazing actor....He should be forever proud of this role.
You might want to get hold of the CVD; each of the episodes is a good 6-7 minutes longer than the 50' versions shown on Netflix. Small scenes but helpful ones.
It's about the differences between the North (industrial, poorer england) and the south (rural england) and the prejudices one girl brings with her from the south when she moves to the north.
such a powerful scene, he is amazing on this one, just amazing.
This scene just rips my heart out every time! Excellent acting on RA's part. *sniff*
I only caught a piece of this over Christmas!!!,it took my breath away,so I have just ordered it from Germany,and it will allow you to put it into English, just watched it all,it's just so magical,the music is perfect,I wish I could meet a man like him, strong, kind, compassionate,and full of love!!!! hey ho I can dream🤗🇬🇧
Finally I found a masterpiece like pride and prejudice although it was older🥺❤️🩹
Pride and Prejudice came out more than twenty years before North & South but they're similar in a way! I love enemies-to-lovers!
@@younglingmaid2526 Me too, this type of love very distinct
Soooo if you know like these shows please tell me names😂❤
His "excuse me" gets me every time 😂
I THINK HE WOULD MAKE A PERFECT MR ROCHESTER ON A JANE EYRE ADAPTATION.HIS VOICE IS DEEP,HIS LOOK IS PASSIONATE AND HIS ACTING IS BRILLIANT.I WATCHED THE SERIES THE DAY BEFORE AND ADMIRED HIS ACTING SKILLS.THAT KIND OF ROLES SUIT HIM.
what an epic tale, to be able to portray such emotion and feeling, these actors are surpurb in these roles i felt every hope , dispear and dissappoint along with them both :)
When the violin music starts you know shit's gonna go down
i love it when he says: i understand you completly. it's all so romantic!
Margaret was such a elegant refined women, yes she might have been of lower life style but that never stopped her from showing others kindness I feel in love with her the moment I saw her, I loved this show.
Never loose your temper when your proposing.
Buy the dvd! I have, and it is absolutely wonderful. I enjoy it again and again.
And John Thornton, wow what a man....
"Please don't go any further."
"Excuse me?"
Haha the way he says that makes me laugh.
"One moment we talk the color of fruit, the next of love...how does that happen?"
-Gah he is heartwrenching!!!
Don’t all great loves start out with one misunderstanding the other….then over time, they each bend to the other
holy crap! e pride and prejudice bbc marriage proposal scene has nothing on this! this is so intense, emotional! the music, the editing is fantastic!
it's so like Pride and Prejudice but dare i say it, it's so much better to me! i love P&P but this and thornton have captured my heart. sigh!
I actually prefer the ending in the movie than to how it is in the book, this scene however is brilliant in both :)
The ending in the book is alarmingly abrupt compared to the detail everywhere else.
YES
I loved the 'get together' in the book. Such a turnaround for the characters . I cried!
"any man?" heart shattered in million pieces... :)
I loved this adaptation. A beautiful series based on a great book by one of our greatest writers
God! His voice 🥰
I'm looking at this and feel sort of hipster-ish couse i adored this man ever since i saw him in N&S. He's an amazing actor and I'm so glad he finally got the chance with The Hobbit to be well known all over the world, not just the UK and amongst period-drama fans.
One of the best miniseries I’ve ever seen. Such a great story.
Best period drama, love the movie n book
Best romantic scene in history
Thank you for posting this. Love this story and this version of the book. He's a bit scary here...can't really blame her for saying no...at this stage...but yes, when he says he loves her my knees go weak too..
I remember watching this scene for the first time. When the scene finished, I flipped out and panicked. I was like: "What do you mean this is the end!?" I wasn't aware that there was a second disc.
We watchced this outta boredom and became instantly entranced with this show :) Watched it from beginning to end on youtube and loved it. This part was really sad tho :( I loved this love story :D
I had downloaded this drama and when i m depressed and feeling bad i wath it and the music the characters the story every thing make me feel relaxed i love it
I love the music, even if the scene is really heart-wrenching........
OMG, THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! I have been absolutely DYING to see this! This is my next DVD buy and I'm so happy I got a glimpse of it! I absolutely LOVE the book and it looks like I will love the series as well! The scene is so sweet and the passion with which he's expressing his feelings for her *sigh*. And can I just state for the record that that man is completely and utterly hot! WOW! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!
It's a brilliant scene in a brilliant show.
That moment at 1:36, where her expression goes blank, you know in her head she’s thinking, “oh no, I’ve been in this position before and this is not going to end well”.
I wouldn't completely agree with you. It's not like in P&P - there's nothing REALLY objectionable about Thornton's proposal - he's proposing because he loves her and has realized it, and he thinks maybe he has a tiny chance because she saved his life. He just had incredibly bad timing, because she's spent a night agonizing over how everyone must think she's trying to 'trap' him, and she sees his proposal as him being forced to, because he's sympathetic to the 'exposure' she's made of herself.
" I dont want tp possess you, I wish to marry you bcs I love you " ...... gawwwddd I'am half dead here........... !!
Well Has any 1 noticed d background music???? Its just superb perticulerly when dis handsome says 'i understand u completely'
I absolutely love this movie and have watched it a billion times! Hope I can find it on my phone?
Well, in my humble opinion, he has chosen a very bad time for proposal😅 Not that she would accept a day or two before or after. But at least they could have a decent conversation. She has a wound in her head, her mother is ill, her friend is dying, other people she knows are chased by police. And honestly, all their conversations to this point were bickering. Why the hell did he propose now?
it was a duty then ....to save her reputation.....because throwing herself on him in front of the angry crowd was considered a big scandal ...she was ruined and therefore he had to propose to her.... fortunately he loved her and thought that she saved him from the crowd because of some affection for him! and he was shocked by the sad truth that she didn't like him at all or at least that's what she thought!!
@Ma Mama Well, he was going to propose even BEFORE his mother stated the reputation factor, didn't he?
Mr. Thornton is giving Mr. Darcy a run for his money :)))
In the final scene in the film , and in the novel, he breaks through to her with soft gentle touching, not with words. It seems talking about love causes Margaret to panic. In the novel it isn’t kissing, but just holding her that causes her to relax and melt into him
Wives and daughters :o) Another adaptation from an Elizabeth Gaskell novel
Jane Eyre - awesome too!
The music at the end is the icing on the cake....I get so emotional sometimes!
*sigh* it's 1:30 in the morning and somehow gravitated toward this video .. I regret nothing! It's just amazing.
so awesome! amazing acting! there is such feeling. I love it!
'Excuse me?' 😂
I love that part......... actually I just love everything about this movie!
God he is a beautiful human being. Throughout the entire series I sat there and said, "I want to touch your face. LET ME TOUCH YOUR BEAUTIFUL FACE!"
Very good point. I was trying to find the words myself but couldn't quite put my finger on it. Kind of makes their love at the end more deep-reaching and soul-stirring.
Yes, but she doesn't want to love him. She sees him as beneath her. He's a working man. He dirties his hands. She's been taught that is below her (by her aunt, not her parents). So she tells herself that she cannot love someone beneath her. She needs to realize that she needs to be worthy of him. Read the book, it's excellent.
Wow!! Such a powerful scene!!
They don’t make shows like this anymore
I didn't understand it at first either. But I think you'll find the answer in the book. In the book, he said that if he had a chance in a thousand of winning her, he would take it. I think it's more about him making his feelings known really.
Che uomo e che voce!
This scene in the book is so much better and the aftermath. Its a pity they didn’t end this scene like in the book where he says to her that he has never been in love before and nothing she can do will stop him loving her(or words to that effect)😉
I sooo agree with you. Everyone here should READ the book by Elizabeth Gaskell.
love that "excuse me" 1:53 hahaha its like are you kidding me?
2 teimosos, orgulhosos, cabeça dura, e com baixíssima estima. Sem falar da falta de tato. Chega ser engraçado.
Oh how I love North & South
A great movie and a great actor: Richard Armitage.
please do. I strongly recommend you the book and the tv series. They are absolutely amazing, although the series is more easy to watch. It beats Pride and Prejudice, in my opinion. Enjoy! I wish I could watch this wonderful series for the first time again... I envy you :)
Yes, READ the book as the 'get together' is different and beautiful. What a turnaround for the characters. I cried!
i grab every opportunity to see a few scenes of this series and admire Richard Armitage as he was in a younger age and i am bewildered to notice tha the has not changed.