When Thornton says ‘oh there are others, this happens to you everyday. Of course you must have to disappoint so many men’, my dad looked up from his laptop (he was working) and went ‘oh dear!’. It was so out of the blue I started laughing.
The gloves are very important, because hands play an important role in the whole film. "hand" is another term of "workmen" in 19th century (it is explained in the book, also that he knows that she does not like people to be called "hands". But also, do not forget that Margaret refuses to shake hands with Mr. Thornton, to touch his hand. Here she touches the gloves. At the end, she kisses his hand. I hope, I could help you. I really like this film, also the book. Just perfect.
Have you seen Persuasion with Ciaran HInds. The close up of his hand at her waist when he helps her into the carriage and then he just can't look at her as it pulls away!!! Killed me!!!!
+roswitha. Insightful comment regarding the importance of hands in North & South. Light disagreement regarding the refused handshake. Margaret refused to shake hands because where she came from that was unladylike behavior, and a man "inviting" her to shake hands by extending it (or even worse by just taking her hand) took liberties, it was almost insulting. In her class (not wealthy, but educated) and above her class men bowed and women curtseyed if they were not very familiar with each other. On the streets it was a nod (both genders), a tip to the hat (or lifting the hat) resp. a light bow. And greeting if they were close enough to not shout. In Sense and Sensibility Willoughby almost denies knowing the Dashwood sisters when he meets them at a ball. There Marianne asks him: Will you not shake hands with me ? - But then this guy had acted like her fiance for a few months. Young females (or any female) did not shake hands unless he was at least a very good aquaintance, it indicated sympathy and familiarity and being on very good terms. In the context of helping a female upstairs, or when the terrain got rough during a walk, etc. it was appropriate for a male to offer his support - his hand - to a female. Of course it was O.K. in the setting of dancing. Or when helping her into a carriage: see the Pride and Prejudice scene, when recovered Jane and Lizzy leave Netherfield. In the 2005 movie Darcy helps Lizzy into the carriage and takes her hand for the first time ever - and both feel something. I do not think Margaret (as described in the book) was uppity * or unreasonable, he committed a faux pas (that would not have happened to a bred gentleman) but in good faith. * After all her family was middle class at best (lower middle class). She thought he was taking liberties with her. When she realized that he did not misbehave (in the context of THIS society) she offered him a handshake at a later meeting to clear that misunderstanding.
I wish in 2024 they can re-release this as a 20th anniversary special or something along with the deleted scenes. Like this one...This one is better than the final cut, in my opinion.
This extended scene makes sense much more than the proposal scene shown in the mini series after the final cut. It makes the characters and their motives clearer.
@@kaylacrowe5168the gloves bit is shown at the beginning of ep 3, which picks up where ep 2 left off, with Thornton leaving the Hales' residence having left the room
I can't believe they deleted ANY of this scene! It explained so much about why Margaret felt the way she did, and it's cute at the beginning how she catches herself saying something bad about Milton and tries to correct herself so Mr.Thornton doesn't feel so bad. lol. This scene barely needs music - the emotion's already there. Thanks for posting! I LOVE this story!!! :)
The chemistry between the actors is so wonderful it's just a joy to watch. Even though they quite changed this scene (as Margaret is much colder and more angry in the book), it's done beautifully. Their kiss at the station is I think the best onscreen period drama kiss ever. Perfect casting both in appearance and talent :)
I agree about the kiss. It's so beautiful, full of tender passion. The way he looks at her while she's talking is wonderful. Of course, this isn't in the book. They would never have dared do such a thing in public in Mrs Gaskell's day. The kiss is to satisfy our 21st century tastes and I'm endlessly impressed with that scene.
This is a much better version than what they originally aired! I especially love the gloves at the end...and her look, "I should get these back to him...but I can't face him again...so conflicted what do I DO." so emotional!
I can't believe they deleted it! This explains her refusal so much better! I had to read the book to understand her feeling better, cuz I didn't see enough of them in the film
wow it's great with the natural sounds. the wood creaking and all. give it a whole different dimension of chills!! hehe. the music really masks the intrusion/voyeur factor of the audience.
It is absolutely maddening to me that they deleted so much critical information in this scene that guts the context of upcoming small acts. Give me this version!!!!
i also love the part where thornton was in one session with mr. hale and margaret was falling asleep, the way he was looking at her while she was serving them the drink was a killer! i am a late richard armitage fan, he's not really famous here in the usa, but after seeing this via netflix i really fell in love with this man, he's a great actor, very effective, he talks and looks like he's talking and talking straight at you; i searched for his other works and love him the same way in robin hood
He plays Thorin Oakenshield in the Hobbit and blew it out of the park. My favorite part is when she comes to his party and his friend sees her and says “who is that fine woman?” And Thornton only has eyes for her and just drinks her in, and wholly focuses on her and it obviously pains him to have to be pulled away from her after they shake hands😍
So the proposal scene in the book is one of my favorites of all time, but I'm really glad they changed it so much in the movie. If I'd had to see him rejected after saying the wonderful, amazing crap he says in the book, I'd have thrown something at the screen! :D
The book does this scene differently and I think a little better, because Mr. Thornton announces that he will not stop loving her. Honestly the book's ending is better too, but this is still my favorite film, second only to 1995 Pride and Prejudice.
Some of the deleted scenes, I can see why they left them out, but why cut up this one? The missing parts add so much more depth to the situation. On another note, I love the way he says, "Excuse me," after she interrupts his proposal. I felt bad for him, but whenever he says that, I laugh a little.
I just love the fact, that he's about to take her in his arms, when he cries out: "I don't want to possess you, I wish to marry you, because I love you" You can almost feel his need for her. Heartbreaking...
@pherrnst I agree completely. The dialogue that wasn't included shows that margaret had full knowledge of her current situation and it actually makes me more sympathetic for her actions. I wish they had at least left this in the finalized movie!!
In the book he sent fruit. He heard the dr saying fruit is good for the mom so he went to the market and bought fruit. He did it to show Margret she won’t stop him from being friends with her parents. Her rejection of him won’t affect him, he told himself lol
her face when she realizes that he's proposing is so priceless, it totally says "oh sh** not again." and i kind of got the impression that he only proposed to her here because of what happened at the mill and his mother's encouragement. i think he did care for her, he just wouldn't have proposed otherwise
Aah I remember now, she was already awake when Fanny and the servant were talking, so she heard. Imagine people mocking her, poor girl :( They should have just kept it all, it explains things better. I was quite confused. First she throws herself passionately onto Thornton to protect him, then suddenly she throws cold water in his face.
No wonder he sent them a basket of fruit even though she rejected him during the same day. This really explains quite a lot of things despite I like the final cut better because the emotions were much more charged.
That's so awesome that he's in Hollywood movies now! He completely deserves it. His expressions in his acting in North and South were amazing. I saw him in Robind Hood too, but didn't know about Spooks. Thanks for letting us now what the actors have been up to :)
Well I think when she first sees him she is captivated by him, but then she sees him beat up someone so that changes. I think she gradually falls in love with him where as for him it was love at first site. I think she realizes she is in love with Thornton is when she sees him at Franny's wedding and Miss Latimur on his arm. I think though she started having regrets when she turned down his proposal.
I think she says that because she thought that Thornton was asking to marry her as an obligation, to protect her reputation, because she exposed herself in the riots.... I don't know if I was clear, but that's why I think. thanks for this!!!..I'm from Chile and this dvd is not around here. I discovered it while watching some P&P videos, I downloaded it a now is my favourite serie!! PD: Sorry for writing too much, but I'm so excited!! :-P
more talk of the fruit and also the references to his sister accusing her of "snaring" him, and his mother telling her "all the ladies want to marry him".
I love this drama!! Thank you for the upload of this extended version. It has been a while. Hope the full drama will be available (some have been deleted, I couldn't find them) as I re watch this from time to time.
wow, this is much better! I read the book and knew why she rejected him, but it was not really clear in the film, from the final version Margaret's sentences about his mother & sister are really missing. and I had friends asking after the scene "wow, why did she refuse him?" and had to explain.
@milly2011 It's too bad that we can't see how Margaret feels afterwards. In the book, not 5 minutes after JT left she realizes that he does love her, and not just wanted to 'rescue her reputation'. It's sweet to read how her feelings change, and can't stand the thought of Thornton thinking badly of her. This part is my favourite, this is after she moves in with her aunt in London: "..questioning within herself, if no one in all the crowd missed her, (not Higgins, she was not thinking of him).."
I live in the USA too. I discovered him almost 4 years ago watching North & South and my crush has not gone away! lol He definately has a certain charisma as an actor and there is just so many reasons I love this man! ;-)
She knows he's a man of consequence; someone she has been attracted to; but she is mortified (as revealed in the book) that she was put in a position where her motives were misunderstood. It was a time where such "displays" by women were rare. On top of that was the bragging by the mother of how many had tried to "snare" him.
I totally agree! I always thought that her "love" came on a little too suddenly, though this might've been due to the fact that Elizabeth Gaskell was under some pressure to finish North and South rather quickly...
@@ritasomlyay32she originally wrote it as a serial in a magazine, one chapter per edition, so there was a regular deadline for each chapter. And her editor was Charles Dickens
Richard Armitage looks like my father when he was young, and Mr Thornton with his stern and disciplined countenance, his sense of justice, all of his personality indeed reminds me of my father. This is one of the reasons I love this film: it's a bit like going back in time before my birth and meeting my daddy :)))
@twtape This isn't a deleted scene, it is an "extended" scene. This full version was not in the miniseries. They did cut some of it but the scene is still in the series. This extended proposal scene is an extra on my DVD. The proposal scene was never cut from the movie.
I just love this scene is so beautiful... Mr. Thornton loves her so much... But I have to admit that I always laugh when he says: "There are others? This happens to you every day?" =)
I agree. The amazing music is vital to all scenes! I did like seeing Margaret more uninhibited/direct and less wishy-washy in the way she speaks, though.
As I just finished watching this movie for the 15th time in the last week! I agree with all the comments posted! It was wonderful to see this deleted extended scence! It explained everything! Also, He did not listen to her, as she did to him! He talked at her, not too her or with her! She was telling him although I love you! I do not like you! I do not like your character and what you are doing to the workers! I do not like as a Christian women, how you are treating others! And then you have the gall and nerves to ask me to marry you! And you cannot listen or hear me talk to you! His character was always misunderstanding what her true intentiions were!
@HeathDances thanks a lot! I was a little confused because some people were calling it a movie but then it said episode 2 on the screen...thanks for the clarity!
I think the reason that she rufused him is because she didn't really believe that he loved her. And she was so prejudice against him, and it took her a while to get over that.... But I'm still mad at her!!! She's just so mean to him in this scene!
@1o951o8 I don't think anything could ever have matched the book! lol. But I think this movie comes as close as anything could have. The book's incredible. :)
Ahhh, the fruit comment he makes:"One minute we talk of the color of fruit, the next of love. How does that happen?" It makes sense now :D I wish they hadn't cut it. I like the part where she mentions his mother and sister.
Thank you for uploading this, HeathDances! It was wonderful to see something slightly more raw and sensitive than the show, which on its own was effective and intense! I couldn't help drawing a link between the glove Mr *RARmitage* Thornton leaves behind and Guy's glorious glove-bite scene in Robin Hood... *happy sigh*
I loved this series. I'm always watching again. But my heart will perfectly, Mr Thornton and Mr Darcy. Are very different stories, so I have more options to thrill me ...
I had to read the book to understand what some of the scenes were about, although i love it dearly. Have the book and the DVD from Amazon. The girl that died, can't remember her name, is now staring in a new mystery on PBS.
I love the extended scene-- I now dislike the clipped version that aired-- I was so confused about the random fruit talk until I read the book and got the explanation of his run-in with the physician...One of my favorite parts of the book is what Thornton does after the rejection, he walks and walks and thinks and thinks...and I miss his thoughts in the miniseries!
@AugustineEmmeline I am not sure what Daniela is up to right now but she was in a show in the UK for many years called "My Family" and it just recently went off the air. Richard was in a TV show called Robin Hood for 3 years, then he did Spooks (known as MI5 here in the USA) for 3 seasons, right now he has a part in the new Captain America movie, and he is currently filming "The Hobbit" where he will be playing Thorin Oakenshield who is the leader of the dwarves! He has made it to Hollywood!
Well that just made a whole lot more sense. The proposal aspect was better with the additions but understandable without as well. However the fruit has confused me every time I've watched on Netflix instant play. Should've cut the fruit all together or at least left the rest of that part in to make sense. Seemed rather random dialogue without her response to it. Thanks for posting. Glad to know it's on the DVD. Must get me a copy. :D
Why does he say "Oh there are others" when she says she has not learnt how to respond when men speak to her in that way. If she has not learnt, does that not imply there has not been others. I also do not understand where the colour of fruit comes in. Has anyone noticed what could be a little nod to Darcy's first proposal scene in the 1995 adaptation of Pride and Prejudice (Colin Firth and Jennifer Ehle)? The part where he goes to the clock on the mantle piece to consider her refusal.
I think he says that because he's a bit jealous and also because what she says does imply that she's been in this situation before - which she has, at least once, with Henry Lennox near the start of the book (and the tv series)
When Thornton says ‘oh there are others, this happens to you everyday. Of course you must have to disappoint so many men’, my dad looked up from his laptop (he was working) and went ‘oh dear!’. It was so out of the blue I started laughing.
😂😂😂😂😂
Lmao...😅 thats awesome. ☺️
The gloves are very important, because hands play an important role in the whole film. "hand" is another term of "workmen" in 19th century (it is explained in the book, also that he knows that she does not like people to be called "hands". But also, do not forget that Margaret refuses to shake hands with Mr. Thornton, to touch his hand. Here she touches the gloves. At the end, she kisses his hand. I hope, I could help you. I really like this film, also the book. Just perfect.
Have you seen Persuasion with Ciaran HInds. The close up of his hand at her waist when he helps her into the carriage and then he just can't look at her as it pulls away!!! Killed me!!!!
Very interesting take!!
Oh wow... really great comment. Love it!
+roswitha. Insightful comment regarding the importance of hands in North & South. Light disagreement regarding the refused handshake. Margaret refused to shake hands because where she came from that was unladylike behavior, and a man "inviting" her to shake hands by extending it (or even worse by just taking her hand) took liberties, it was almost insulting. In her class (not wealthy, but educated) and above her class men bowed and women curtseyed if they were not very familiar with each other. On the streets it was a nod (both genders), a tip to the hat (or lifting the hat) resp. a light bow. And greeting if they were close enough to not shout.
In Sense and Sensibility Willoughby almost denies knowing the Dashwood sisters when he meets them at a ball. There Marianne asks him: Will you not shake hands with me ? - But then this guy had acted like her fiance for a few months.
Young females (or any female) did not shake hands unless he was at least a very good aquaintance, it indicated sympathy and familiarity and being on very good terms.
In the context of helping a female upstairs, or when the terrain got rough during a walk, etc. it was appropriate for a male to offer his support - his hand - to a female. Of course it was O.K. in the setting of dancing. Or when helping her into a carriage: see the Pride and Prejudice scene, when recovered Jane and Lizzy leave Netherfield. In the 2005 movie Darcy helps Lizzy into the carriage and takes her hand for the first time ever - and both feel something.
I do not think Margaret (as described in the book) was uppity * or unreasonable, he committed a faux pas (that would not have happened to a bred gentleman) but in good faith.
* After all her family was middle class at best (lower middle class).
She thought he was taking liberties with her. When she realized that he did not misbehave (in the context of THIS society) she offered him a handshake at a later meeting to clear that misunderstanding.
I wish in 2024 they can re-release this as a 20th anniversary special or something along with the deleted scenes. Like this one...This one is better than the final cut, in my opinion.
I AGREE ! LETS GET IT DONE!!!
This extended scene makes sense much more than the proposal scene shown in the mini series after the final cut. It makes the characters and their motives clearer.
I completle agree👍👍
Agreed. It gives all the context. From her end. Though the original cut should have left the gloves too. That shows her misstep and regret.
@@kaylacrowe5168the gloves bit is shown at the beginning of ep 3, which picks up where ep 2 left off, with Thornton leaving the Hales' residence having left the room
I can't believe they deleted ANY of this scene! It explained so much about why Margaret felt the way she did, and it's cute at the beginning how she catches herself saying something bad about Milton and tries to correct herself so Mr.Thornton doesn't feel so bad. lol. This scene barely needs music - the emotion's already there. Thanks for posting! I LOVE this story!!! :)
The chemistry between the actors is so wonderful it's just a joy to watch. Even though they quite changed this scene (as Margaret is much colder and more angry in the book), it's done beautifully.
Their kiss at the station is I think the best onscreen period drama kiss ever.
Perfect casting both in appearance and talent :)
I agree about the kiss. It's so beautiful, full of tender passion. The way he looks at her while she's talking is wonderful. Of course, this isn't in the book. They would never have dared do such a thing in public in Mrs Gaskell's day. The kiss is to satisfy our 21st century tastes and I'm endlessly impressed with that scene.
'I don't wanna possess you. I wish to marry you because i love you!' i love this line,
Everytime he says, in that heart-broken voice, "I wish to marry you!" I feel my heart twinge and sigh and weep.
"Any man" his reaction was priceless.
The part about the fruit makes sense now.
Finally this scene makes sense...the part of the colour of the fruits was a mistery without an extended explanation. Thank you.
This is a much better version than what they originally aired! I especially love the gloves at the end...and her look, "I should get these back to him...but I can't face him again...so conflicted what do I DO." so emotional!
I can't believe they deleted it! This explains her refusal so much better! I had to read the book to understand her feeling better, cuz I didn't see enough of them in the film
wow it's great with the natural sounds. the wood creaking and all. give it a whole different dimension of chills!! hehe. the music really masks the intrusion/voyeur factor of the audience.
You are 100% right... I just realized there was no music at all.. just the sound of their voices and creaking of the wood, and their hearts..
"I don´t wanna possess you! I wish to marry you because I love you...!" um,... yes, I think that was the split second that broke my heart.
I so love the way he says "Excuse me?" It's hilarious!
They don't make love stories like these any more...
I like how his family treats her having a consequence in this version
It is absolutely maddening to me that they deleted so much critical information in this scene that guts the context of upcoming small acts. Give me this version!!!!
I know, it gives more insight but the book definitely clears it up. I definitely wish more people knew of this show and book tho 😂
@@lesdeles8258 ME also I would like to see it again it has been 20 years !!Please all get together and beg for it I would be willing to pay for it
I have read the book so many times it is almost I shredds
Thanks! This really makes things clearer. So this is why he sent fruit to the mother. Also she was irritated by the comments of his mother and sister.
i also love the part where thornton was in one session with mr. hale and margaret was falling asleep, the way he was looking at her while she was serving them the drink was a killer! i am a late richard armitage fan, he's not really famous here in the usa, but after seeing this via netflix i really fell in love with this man, he's a great actor, very effective, he talks and looks like he's talking and talking straight at you; i searched for his other works and love him the same way in robin hood
He plays Thorin Oakenshield in the Hobbit and blew it out of the park. My favorite part is when she comes to his party and his friend sees her and says “who is that fine woman?” And Thornton only has eyes for her and just drinks her in, and wholly focuses on her and it obviously pains him to have to be pulled away from her after they shake hands😍
So the proposal scene in the book is one of my favorites of all time, but I'm really glad they changed it so much in the movie. If I'd had to see him rejected after saying the wonderful, amazing crap he says in the book, I'd have thrown something at the screen! :D
The book does this scene differently and I think a little better, because Mr. Thornton announces that he will not stop loving her. Honestly the book's ending is better too, but this is still my favorite film, second only to 1995 Pride and Prejudice.
They both act this scene so beautifully together . The casting department really got it right !
God I would have loved to have played her part .
Some of the deleted scenes, I can see why they left them out, but why cut up this one? The missing parts add so much more depth to the situation. On another note, I love the way he says, "Excuse me," after she interrupts his proposal. I felt bad for him, but whenever he says that, I laugh a little.
What we have here is a failure to communicate!
i don't know why but everytime he said "Excuse me?" in that deep voice of his, I let out an involuntary laugh.....
I just love the fact, that he's about to take her in his arms, when he cries out: "I don't want to possess you, I wish to marry you, because I love you"
You can almost feel his need for her. Heartbreaking...
I love the way he says: "Excuse Me" with his heavy voice :)
@pherrnst I agree completely. The dialogue that wasn't included shows that margaret had full knowledge of her current situation and it actually makes me more sympathetic for her actions. I wish they had at least left this in the finalized movie!!
I love how she holds the gloves...if only for a few seconds. It says so much.....
got to admit, I do love their honesty with eachother even if Margaret is a bit cruel
the extended scene also clarifies why richard sends fruit to her mom
John Thornton, not Richard lol
In the book he sent fruit. He heard the dr saying fruit is good for the mom so he went to the market and bought fruit. He did it to show Margret she won’t stop him from being friends with her parents. Her rejection of him won’t affect him, he told himself lol
@@tanseelou806 that’s right 👍🏽
man alive, his VOICEEE
her face when she realizes that he's proposing is so priceless, it totally says "oh sh** not again."
and i kind of got the impression that he only proposed to her here because of what happened at the mill and his mother's encouragement. i think he did care for her, he just wouldn't have proposed otherwise
Aah I remember now, she was already awake when Fanny and the servant were talking, so she heard. Imagine people mocking her, poor girl :(
They should have just kept it all, it explains things better. I was quite confused. First she throws herself passionately onto Thornton to protect him, then suddenly she throws cold water in his face.
At the end of this scene she's probably thinking, wait did I just really refuse HIM?
I like how she struggles to say, "...because I d-do not like you..." while looking into his deeply emotional face.
No wonder he sent them a basket of fruit even though she rejected him during the same day.
This really explains quite a lot of things despite I like the final cut better because the emotions were much more charged.
Immediately parallels started to be drawn in my head with the proposal of our very Mr Darcy 😅
I agree. The explanation is really needed because the edited scene in the film is really confusing. I love this film too.
That's so awesome that he's in Hollywood movies now! He completely deserves it. His expressions in his acting in North and South were amazing. I saw him in Robind Hood too, but didn't know about Spooks. Thanks for letting us now what the actors have been up to :)
Well I think when she first sees him she is captivated by him, but then she sees him beat up someone so that changes. I think she gradually falls in love with him where as for him it was love at first site. I think she realizes she is in love with Thornton is when she sees him at Franny's wedding and Miss Latimur on his arm. I think though she started having regrets when she turned down his proposal.
Dno why but I love the way he says "love"
I think she says that because she thought that Thornton was asking to marry her as an obligation, to protect her reputation, because she exposed herself in the riots.... I don't know if I was clear, but that's why I think.
thanks for this!!!..I'm from Chile and this dvd is not around here. I discovered it while watching some P&P videos, I downloaded it a now is my favourite serie!!
PD: Sorry for writing too much, but I'm so excited!! :-P
i would go weak at the knees if he said that to me. love that line!
At the knees? 🤦🏾♀️😊
Beautiful scene! They both great actors.
more talk of the fruit and also the references to his sister accusing her of "snaring" him, and his mother telling her "all the ladies want to marry him".
I just adore this show.
She is beautiful!
Google her now, she is blond and slimmer in real life
Great movie, thank you for uploading this scene. Just beautiful.
I love this drama!! Thank you for the upload of this extended version. It has been a while. Hope the full drama will be available (some have been deleted, I couldn't find them) as I re watch this from time to time.
Breaks my heart when his voice breaks...
wow, this is much better! I read the book and knew why she rejected him, but it was not really clear in the film, from the final version Margaret's sentences about his mother & sister are really missing. and I had friends asking after the scene "wow, why did she refuse him?" and had to explain.
I just want to thank you for sharing ALL of these videos! What a treat to find them here. : )
@milly2011 It's too bad that we can't see how Margaret feels afterwards. In the book, not 5 minutes after JT left she realizes that he does love her, and not just wanted to 'rescue her reputation'. It's sweet to read how her feelings change, and can't stand the thought of Thornton thinking badly of her. This part is my favourite, this is after she moves in with her aunt in London: "..questioning within herself, if no one in all the crowd missed her, (not Higgins, she was not thinking of him).."
I live in the USA too. I discovered him almost 4 years ago watching North & South and my crush has not gone away! lol He definately has a certain charisma as an actor and there is just so many reasons I love this man! ;-)
I AGREE
She knows he's a man of consequence; someone she has been attracted to; but she is mortified (as revealed in the book) that she was put in a position where her motives were misunderstood. It was a time where such "displays" by women were rare. On top of that was the bragging by the mother of how many had tried to "snare" him.
This scene is a longer version of the one in the movie. Well worth a look.
I always love how he say "Excuse me? "
Thank you for sharing ^^
thank you so much for uploading this xDD
this entire scene is breathtaking...gosh,the way he look at her ^^
thank you for posting this; i had no idea there were cuts in it
this totally made my day and i'm just about to watch it. LOL. thanks for posting. I love this movie.
I totally agree! I always thought that her "love" came on a little too suddenly, though this might've been due to the fact that Elizabeth Gaskell was under some pressure to finish North and South rather quickly...
What was the pressure?
@@ritasomlyay32she originally wrote it as a serial in a magazine, one chapter per edition, so there was a regular deadline for each chapter. And her editor was Charles Dickens
Richard Armitage looks like my father when he was young, and Mr Thornton with his stern and disciplined countenance, his sense of justice, all of his personality indeed reminds me of my father. This is one of the reasons I love this film: it's a bit like going back in time before my birth and meeting my daddy :)))
@twtape This isn't a deleted scene, it is an "extended" scene. This full version was not in the miniseries. They did cut some of it but the scene is still in the series. This extended proposal scene is an extra on my DVD. The proposal scene was never cut from the movie.
That just made my day! Thanks soo much for letting me know!
ohh, this breaks my heart everytime *.*
I just love this scene is so beautiful... Mr. Thornton loves her so much...
But I have to admit that I always laugh when he says: "There are others? This happens to you every day?" =)
I agree. The amazing music is vital to all scenes! I did like seeing Margaret more uninhibited/direct and less wishy-washy in the way she speaks, though.
I have no idea why they cut those sentences out. It made it way better in my opinion.
Finally I understood why he said about the color of the fruit and then love.
Thanks so much for posting this!!!
lol!! & his gloves apparently. The man was freaking piss & heart broken. he wasn't even thinking about them.
As I just finished watching this movie for the 15th time in the last week! I agree with all the comments posted! It was wonderful to see this deleted extended scence! It explained everything! Also, He did not listen to her, as she did to him! He talked at her, not too her or with her! She was telling him although I love you! I do not like you! I do not like your character and what you are doing to the workers! I do not like as a Christian women, how you are treating others! And then you have the gall and nerves to ask me to marry you! And you cannot listen or hear me talk to you! His character was always misunderstanding what her true intentiions were!
Neither of them is really listening to the other tbh
Thank you ! I love this !
@HeathDances thanks a lot! I was a little confused because some people were calling it a movie but then it said episode 2 on the screen...thanks for the clarity!
I think the reason that she rufused him is because she didn't really believe that he loved her. And she was so prejudice against him, and it took her a while to get over that.... But I'm still mad at her!!! She's just so mean to him in this scene!
Thanks for sharing!
his voice went so sad when he told her he loved her :(
What was I doing from past years....I watched it only this week and can't stop watching again and again and can't stop reading.
@1o951o8 I don't think anything could ever have matched the book! lol. But I think this movie comes as close as anything could have. The book's incredible. :)
Ahhh, the fruit comment he makes:"One minute we talk of the color of fruit, the next of love. How does that happen?" It makes sense now :D I wish they hadn't cut it. I like the part where she mentions his mother and sister.
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@@hilalyaprak4086 around 2:40
I think my heart just broke abit during this scene
Thank you for uploading this, HeathDances! It was wonderful to see something slightly more raw and sensitive than the show, which on its own was effective and intense!
I couldn't help drawing a link between the glove Mr *RARmitage* Thornton leaves behind and Guy's glorious glove-bite scene in Robin Hood... *happy sigh*
That part at 2:40 talking about his sister an mother I think thats part of the extension too.
I like this full version.l don't understand why they cut It?
I loved this series. I'm always watching again. But my heart will perfectly, Mr Thornton and Mr Darcy. Are very different stories, so I have more options to thrill me ...
Yes! its one of the places where the movie improves upon the book--at least I don't remember it there.
I wonder what made them decide to shorten it. I like the extended version.
Very well put! Much agreed!
I had to read the book to understand what some of the scenes were about, although i love it dearly. Have the book and the DVD from Amazon. The girl that died, can't remember her name, is now staring in a new mystery on PBS.
I love the extended scene-- I now dislike the clipped version that aired-- I was so confused about the random fruit talk until I read the book and got the explanation of his run-in with the physician...One of my favorite parts of the book is what Thornton does after the rejection, he walks and walks and thinks and thinks...and I miss his thoughts in the miniseries!
@compnetworks 'Oh you crazy kids'. You are so right, they're both nuts! I love them to bits :)
In fact 2:36 to 2:50 is also part of the extension, it's not in the miniseries...I've seen this scene a hundred times!!..that's why I know it :)
@AugustineEmmeline I am not sure what Daniela is up to right now but she was in a show in the UK for many years called "My Family" and it just recently went off the air. Richard was in a TV show called Robin Hood for 3 years, then he did Spooks (known as MI5 here in the USA) for 3 seasons, right now he has a part in the new Captain America movie, and he is currently filming "The Hobbit" where he will be playing Thorin Oakenshield who is the leader of the dwarves! He has made it to Hollywood!
Well that just made a whole lot more sense. The proposal aspect was better with the additions but understandable without as well. However the fruit has confused me every time I've watched on Netflix instant play. Should've cut the fruit all together or at least left the rest of that part in to make sense. Seemed rather random dialogue without her response to it. Thanks for posting. Glad to know it's on the DVD. Must get me a copy. :D
Thanks so much! ;)
Why does he say "Oh there are others" when she says she has not learnt how to respond when men speak to her in that way. If she has not learnt, does that not imply there has not been others. I also do not understand where the colour of fruit comes in.
Has anyone noticed what could be a little nod to Darcy's first proposal scene in the 1995 adaptation of Pride and Prejudice (Colin Firth and Jennifer Ehle)? The part where he goes to the clock on the mantle piece to consider her refusal.
I think he says that because he's a bit jealous and also because what she says does imply that she's been in this situation before - which she has, at least once, with Henry Lennox near the start of the book (and the tv series)
This one makes so much more sence!!!!! why did they cut it??! :(