I like how you make every millimetre count in the comparison lol; cause honestly when the time comes it is the slightest advantage that will make the biggest difference
Very good show dude. I have an old pair of fox knee and shin guards. I had a bad accident where I rear ended a pick up truck at 45 MPH. I know, my fault. Anyway the guards received a lot of damage on both legs. It saved me my legs big time. The rest of me not so much. I just bought the new Fox Titan Pro guards. They are a lot different from my old ones and I expect the same protections. $ 140.00 USD from Cycle Gear.
Super interesting because you have talked about strenghts and weaknesses so regardless if I am looking for a Fox or not, I will able to have a better knowledge and understanding of this protection gear.
@@MADpack either way, really appr3ciate your review! It was perfect timing as I am about to get a new pair of shin pads. I will definitely check the Fox Pads!
Leatt dual-axis knee guard owner here. I see your points about lack of impact padding on the Leatt's. So what I do is wear them over a pair of Alpinestars or other internal armour in my riding jeans. Then the Leatt's over the jeans. I test armour for research in novel ways. CE only tests on a flat anvil representing a flat road. I test against a 90 degree angle iron, representing an edge impact, like a rock. I record the impact (50Joules) with a slow-motion camera at 1000fps. Timing the deceleration from impact to stop can give you the maximum impact force. The Leatt's combined with a soft L1 pad performed best. It even performed well without the L1 pad. Better than soft L2 pads from Knox and Forcefield. Or lattice pads from Alpinestars which were actually cut right through the lattice. The Leatt's have taken multiple test impacts on the knee cap without damage. I've also crashed against rocks while riding. The Leatt's knee cup is very durable and similar thickness to a motorcycle crash helmet. It's far better than a soft pad at point loads. However, if you combine the two, it's an excellent knee guard. I can't comment on the Fox Racing titan pro but the lattice design shell is likely weaker against edge/point impact than the Leatt's solid shell. There are also user reports of the Fox's hinge breaking on impact. So this is something that can happen to any knee guard with hinges.
Bro thank you for your message but I really in this case don’t want to be comparing experiences. You can have test whatever product you want happy that your product have passed your test but the same product come into pieces with me falling at 20kph. Who is right? Nobody I. The end of the day this is my experience and never more I ride with least hope you have a great day.
@@MADpack I'm happy to discuss this in a friendly manner. As I said, I don't know how good the Fox knee guards are. The fact that they use D3O in the knee and shin is a very good design point. Your falling off speed is actually irrelevant to how much impact the knee guard takes. The vertical speed to the ground is the critical number. Or the speed hitting a fixed object perpendicularly. Actually going forward faster can help because the angle of impact is more acute and you are more likely to glance off. Anyway, both pads are CE level 1 rated which involves a 4.4ms falling speed onto a flat surface with 5kg of weight. That's quite an easy test. However, I do the same energy (50 Joules) test onto sharp edged objects. This could happen if you hit a curb, road furniture or a sharp object. Leatt is very good in this kind of point load test because the knee cap is thick, like a crash helmet. It can be improved by lining it with a soft pad. This is how I wear them on rocky enduro riding. Furthermore, a big USA retailer called Revzilla has 160 reviews for the Leatt's and 4.5 stars overall rating. Many people have crashed in them including me. The Fox reviewed by you has 6 reviews and a 4 star rating. Only one reviewer had a crash experience. So I guess they are both good. But definitely the Leatt can be improved with some extra impact foam, which is what I did. I don't agree that they are as bad as you say and evidence suggests that they are pretty good too. Not just my evidence but a large body of user reviews.
@martinfoster5163 your attempt to defend the Leatt Dual Axis, but let’s look at this logically. I was going 20 km/h - that’s a very low-speed slide for gear that’s supposedly designed for motorcycle protection. We’re talking about a slow slide on concrete, without even hitting anything. The fact that this guard didn’t hold up in such a simple situation really says a lot about its performance. You’re fixating on the 50-joule test standard, but that’s just a benchmark for lab conditions. Real-world impacts, especially on hard surfaces like concrete, create much different forces. Even if my fall was ‘only’ a slide, it generated well over 200 joules of energy - far beyond the 50 joules you’re clinging to. And if the gear can’t handle such a small fall without failing, it’s clearly not as ‘amazing’ as you’re making it out to be. Let’s be honest: if gear that’s marketed for motorcycles - where riders easily exceed 100 km/h - can’t even handle a 20 km/h slide without breaking, then it’s clearly not up to the task. Level 1 protection might pass in controlled lab tests, but in real-world scenarios like mine, it’s showing its limitations. I’d say that’s a pretty strong sign that this gear isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.
@@MADpack I didn't come up with 50 Joules. It was decided by CE working groups. There's plenty of logic behind it. An arm weighing 5kg falling 1 meter is 50 Joules of kinetic energy. A knee weighing 12kg falling 50cm is 54 Joules. To get 200 Joules your knee would have to fall 1.8 meters. That's rather an achievement to get your knee up to head height. Of course you could hit an object with your knee head on, that would generate a huge kinetic energy but that's not what happened and impact protectors aren't expected to handle that much energy. So your physics sound way off. Also, it's not a requirement that a protector handles multiple impacts without damage. Even crash helmets can crack and sacrifice themselves to save us.
If you think that a protection backs at 20kph sliding on concrete and so because the locking mechanism broke I had no protection on the knee of you think this is protection I have nothing else so add on. I just answer you based on your científic comments that does are off. But you want me to say you are right feel free but your idea of protection have zero sense
I for one just like the extra protection wrapped around the sides. Its exactly what im looking for, I need protection from serious knee impacts. These seem like they would do the job
@@MADpack it's funny when I Google a product to get a review and who did I find but Madpack who has already dealt with basically the exact situation I'm currently dealing with. What size do you have of the fox titan pro and how do you like the fit on your leg? I'm 180cm and about 66kgs
Yes they been alright for me since they are not really elastic they have more chances to stay in place than the leatt dual axis but it reduces in comfort but nothing special
Seems like its a bit strange situation with these. I didn't go with the Leatts as they were too expensive for what they are. This specific upgraded titan pro seams amazing with airflow, but the strange part is that they have a ton of bad reviews online( on fox store they are 2 stars) you missed the Alpinestars SX-1 that is even a bit larger same kinda systems and very good reviews. The experience will be different to everyone with fit and manufacturing errors. My first choise was Acerbis x strong( got them real cheap online new) but now I would go for the sx-1 if looking for ventilation. Velcro gets old fast and not on all of them pads are removable so I like the Fox design but all of the plastic pieces seem flimsy on all of them. for street use we drive on a cheese grater and idk how the perforations would handle a slide compared to not perforated.
Hey dude! How are you doing? Hope you are well :) I rarely wear any gear when I ride but I'm really not going fast on my little v8f haha I really should lol
Need to compare the Leatt pro, the regular has no impact absorbing foam, and the fox has no D3O on the sides like the Leatt pro. You also can't kneel down on the fox like you can with the Leatt.
Why you can’t kneel down with the fox? And also I payed £84 pounds for a fox titan pro the leatt pro are £125 pounds so they cost £36 pounds more. I’m more than happy with my fox titan pro
yo..really good review..just flew by without watching.(btw leatt 2.0 were releasesd a few moths ago).. what are the boots(fox what?) you have size and how do you like then?;
We are in the same boat bro. That’s why after my crash at low speeds and they come apart without a obvious reason I had to inform you guys. I have no links to this products since I’m having issues with my amazon account so yeah only here to help the community
Hum and? Why is it more comfortable? I have no discomfort… and what is relevant is safety and the least is almost like wearing naked knees so that's my Period for you :)
Fox are so damn shit... Had them for 1 hour on my knee. Did some dirt riding with very, very small crash. It was rather like slow motion crash. I Had to throw them to trash. They got destroyed.
Thank you for sharing so you are saying that this ones are so easy to brake as the leatt? So what are you thinking to buy now? I feel safer with this ones than leatt but curious to understand what are your options now
Shame that I cannot add some pictures. You would See how "safe" they are. I just ordered Acerbis Gorilla. OldSchool, rugged design (at least it looks like it). As soon as I got them on my legs, I know if it was good purchase or not. But due to my cracked meniscus (some old injury) it makes me wonder, if braces are the Best option to get (or not?). Back in the days I bought myself A pair of leat knee protector for mtb - terrible stitching. It looked like it would tear aparat just from looking at it. Sent it back, bought in a different store - same issue. I gues leat i just for sponsored riders. When something is about to break, they throw it awayal and get new one for free...
@bartoszzarychta9632 my leatt broke at super slow speeds and because of the d3o and the length of the fox I feel safer but now concern with what happen to you send me the photos on instagram if you have
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I like how you make every millimetre count in the comparison lol; cause honestly when the time comes it is the slightest advantage that will make the biggest difference
Yeah all counts and plus between that you also have the D3O on the fox titan pro so that is a massive improvement compared to the least dual axis
Good to hear. I bought the Fox w/ D30 last summer. I like them.
We are two :) happy that you are enjoying them
Very good show dude. I have an old pair of fox knee and shin guards. I had a bad accident where I rear ended a pick up truck at 45 MPH. I know, my fault. Anyway the guards received a lot of damage on both legs. It saved me my legs big time. The rest of me not so much. I just bought the new Fox Titan Pro guards. They are a lot different from my old ones and I expect the same protections. $ 140.00 USD from Cycle Gear.
Thank you for your message and to share your experience I hope you are better now
You have a very good eye for small details. Well done and thanks for the review.
Thank you to take the time to leave me this comment really appreciated my friend
Excellent comparison! You earned yourself a new subscriber.
Thank you so much for checking my work and to take the time to send me a message thank you
great vid man, do you like the titan pros still? I have like 10 different type of knee guards in my cart. I can not decide
Is far better than this disappointing leatt dual axis so yes man hope it helps
Super interesting because you have talked about strenghts and weaknesses so regardless if I am looking for a Fox or not, I will able to have a better knowledge and understanding of this protection gear.
Happy that you found interesting and useful the video between this 2 knee guard
I’d like to see both on an actual mild to moderate crash. Theory and actuality can be very different.😉👍
I understand but after my crash with the leatt no thank you
I would love to see a comparison between the Fox pads and the Leatt Pro Dual Axis. There are three sizes as well to accommodate different legs.
Unfortunately difficult since this I bought with my money bro
@@MADpack either way, really appr3ciate your review! It was perfect timing as I am about to get a new pair of shin pads. I will definitely check the Fox Pads!
I have a question. Does "Fox titanium pro" come in pairs or you have to buy separately for both legs?
No unfortunately they don’t think on people that they may have lost a leg so it comes as a pair hope it helps
What size your Fox guards? My size is 19 Thy and 15.5 calf. I am going to buy one due to your valuable review. Any opinion on sizing for me?
Im not at home to check the size of mine
Leatt dual-axis knee guard owner here. I see your points about lack of impact padding on the Leatt's. So what I do is wear them over a pair of Alpinestars or other internal armour in my riding jeans. Then the Leatt's over the jeans.
I test armour for research in novel ways. CE only tests on a flat anvil representing a flat road. I test against a 90 degree angle iron, representing an edge impact, like a rock. I record the impact (50Joules) with a slow-motion camera at 1000fps. Timing the deceleration from impact to stop can give you the maximum impact force. The Leatt's combined with a soft L1 pad performed best. It even performed well without the L1 pad. Better than soft L2 pads from Knox and Forcefield. Or lattice pads from Alpinestars which were actually cut right through the lattice.
The Leatt's have taken multiple test impacts on the knee cap without damage. I've also crashed against rocks while riding. The Leatt's knee cup is very durable and similar thickness to a motorcycle crash helmet. It's far better than a soft pad at point loads. However, if you combine the two, it's an excellent knee guard.
I can't comment on the Fox Racing titan pro but the lattice design shell is likely weaker against edge/point impact than the Leatt's solid shell. There are also user reports of the Fox's hinge breaking on impact. So this is something that can happen to any knee guard with hinges.
Bro thank you for your message but I really in this case don’t want to be comparing experiences. You can have test whatever product you want happy that your product have passed your test but the same product come into pieces with me falling at 20kph. Who is right? Nobody I. The end of the day this is my experience and never more I ride with least hope you have a great day.
@@MADpack I'm happy to discuss this in a friendly manner. As I said, I don't know how good the Fox knee guards are. The fact that they use D3O in the knee and shin is a very good design point.
Your falling off speed is actually irrelevant to how much impact the knee guard takes. The vertical speed to the ground is the critical number. Or the speed hitting a fixed object perpendicularly. Actually going forward faster can help because the angle of impact is more acute and you are more likely to glance off.
Anyway, both pads are CE level 1 rated which involves a 4.4ms falling speed onto a flat surface with 5kg of weight. That's quite an easy test. However, I do the same energy (50 Joules) test onto sharp edged objects. This could happen if you hit a curb, road furniture or a sharp object.
Leatt is very good in this kind of point load test because the knee cap is thick, like a crash helmet. It can be improved by lining it with a soft pad. This is how I wear them on rocky enduro riding.
Furthermore, a big USA retailer called Revzilla has 160 reviews for the Leatt's and 4.5 stars overall rating. Many people have crashed in them including me. The Fox reviewed by you has 6 reviews and a 4 star rating. Only one reviewer had a crash experience.
So I guess they are both good. But definitely the Leatt can be improved with some extra impact foam, which is what I did. I don't agree that they are as bad as you say and evidence suggests that they are pretty good too. Not just my evidence but a large body of user reviews.
@martinfoster5163 your attempt to defend the Leatt Dual Axis, but let’s look at this logically. I was going 20 km/h - that’s a very low-speed slide for gear that’s supposedly designed for motorcycle protection. We’re talking about a slow slide on concrete, without even hitting anything. The fact that this guard didn’t hold up in such a simple situation really says a lot about its performance.
You’re fixating on the 50-joule test standard, but that’s just a benchmark for lab conditions. Real-world impacts, especially on hard surfaces like concrete, create much different forces. Even if my fall was ‘only’ a slide, it generated well over 200 joules of energy - far beyond the 50 joules you’re clinging to. And if the gear can’t handle such a small fall without failing, it’s clearly not as ‘amazing’ as you’re making it out to be.
Let’s be honest: if gear that’s marketed for motorcycles - where riders easily exceed 100 km/h - can’t even handle a 20 km/h slide without breaking, then it’s clearly not up to the task. Level 1 protection might pass in controlled lab tests, but in real-world scenarios like mine, it’s showing its limitations. I’d say that’s a pretty strong sign that this gear isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.
@@MADpack I didn't come up with 50 Joules. It was decided by CE working groups. There's plenty of logic behind it. An arm weighing 5kg falling 1 meter is 50 Joules of kinetic energy. A knee weighing 12kg falling 50cm is 54 Joules. To get 200 Joules your knee would have to fall 1.8 meters. That's rather an achievement to get your knee up to head height. Of course you could hit an object with your knee head on, that would generate a huge kinetic energy but that's not what happened and impact protectors aren't expected to handle that much energy.
So your physics sound way off.
Also, it's not a requirement that a protector handles multiple impacts without damage. Even crash helmets can crack and sacrifice themselves to save us.
If you think that a protection backs at 20kph sliding on concrete and so because the locking mechanism broke I had no protection on the knee of you think this is protection I have nothing else so add on. I just answer you based on your científic comments that does are off. But you want me to say you are right feel free but your idea of protection have zero sense
I for one just like the extra protection wrapped around the sides. Its exactly what im looking for, I need protection from serious knee impacts. These seem like they would do the job
Happy to help :)
@@MADpack it's funny when I Google a product to get a review and who did I find but Madpack who has already dealt with basically the exact situation I'm currently dealing with. What size do you have of the fox titan pro and how do you like the fit on your leg? I'm 180cm and about 66kgs
Do the straps on the Fox Titans do a good job of holding them in place?
Yes they been alright for me since they are not really elastic they have more chances to stay in place than the leatt dual axis but it reduces in comfort but nothing special
Seems like its a bit strange situation with these. I didn't go with the Leatts as they were too expensive for what they are. This specific upgraded titan pro seams amazing with airflow, but the strange part is that they have a ton of bad reviews online( on fox store they are 2 stars) you missed the Alpinestars SX-1 that is even a bit larger same kinda systems and very good reviews. The experience will be different to everyone with fit and manufacturing errors. My first choise was Acerbis x strong( got them real cheap online new) but now I would go for the sx-1 if looking for ventilation. Velcro gets old fast and not on all of them pads are removable so I like the Fox design but all of the plastic pieces seem flimsy on all of them. for street use we drive on a cheese grater and idk how the perforations would handle a slide compared to not perforated.
My friend use the sx1 but I wanted to try this because it have d3o until now really happy with them
Really like you are using the opthometry ruller..so you got.back to optical stor job?
Hi man yes I’m back into optometry but already for a while. I came back in optics 2 years ago already hope you are fine
Hey dude! How are you doing? Hope you are well :) I rarely wear any gear when I ride but I'm really not going fast on my little v8f haha I really should lol
Also when I’m on my v8f I also don’t use because is my supermarket wheel ahahahah
*Love the attention to detail*
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The Fox has much better design choices
Yeah I agree the fox titan pro is a much higher option when we talk of knee guard
Need to compare the Leatt pro, the regular has no impact absorbing foam, and the fox has no D3O on the sides like the Leatt pro.
You also can't kneel down on the fox like you can with the Leatt.
Why you can’t kneel down with the fox? And also I payed £84 pounds for a fox titan pro the leatt pro are £125 pounds so they cost £36 pounds more. I’m more than happy with my fox titan pro
@@MADpack you can't put your weight on them the way they're designed.
@-JohnSmith- I put yesterday since I had to put air on the suspension of my inmotion v11y
yo..really good review..just flew by without watching.(btw leatt 2.0 were releasesd a few moths ago)..
what are the boots(fox what?) you have size and how do you like then?;
I have review them in here bro: How to stop wobbles In Electric Unicycle? Nothing related with Skills!
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You should try the new dual axis pros....they pretty good
After how easy the broke I’m not convinced with leatt anymore
very good analysis.
Happy that you enjoybit
A lot of reviews on amazon about fox are negative, that doesn't help.
Like I said I bought with my money and this are my thoughts my friend :/
@@MADpack I agree. It's your money. 🙂 And thx for your review.
@blaazealpha thank you for your comments and check my video :)
Sweeeet very good!
Happy that you liked the video of this knee guard options
Ugh, video is about 2 months to late for me. Bought the leatts since it was what everyone in the hobby suggested. Buyers remorse.
We are in the same boat bro. That’s why after my crash at low speeds and they come apart without a obvious reason I had to inform you guys. I have no links to this products since I’m having issues with my amazon account so yeah only here to help the community
"But now if you search for the Fox Titanium Pro..."
*Searches Fox Titan Pro*
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Leatt is way more comfortable to wear. Period.
Hum and? Why is it more comfortable? I have no discomfort… and what is relevant is safety and the least is almost like wearing naked knees so that's my Period for you :)
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Fox are so damn shit... Had them for 1 hour on my knee. Did some dirt riding with very, very small crash. It was rather like slow motion crash. I Had to throw them to trash. They got destroyed.
Thank you for sharing so you are saying that this ones are so easy to brake as the leatt? So what are you thinking to buy now? I feel safer with this ones than leatt but curious to understand what are your options now
Shame that I cannot add some pictures. You would See how "safe" they are. I just ordered Acerbis Gorilla. OldSchool, rugged design (at least it looks like it). As soon as I got them on my legs, I know if it was good purchase or not. But due to my cracked meniscus (some old injury) it makes me wonder, if braces are the Best option to get (or not?). Back in the days I bought myself A pair of leat knee protector for mtb - terrible stitching. It looked like it would tear aparat just from looking at it. Sent it back, bought in a different store - same issue. I gues leat i just for sponsored riders. When something is about to break, they throw it awayal and get new one for free...
@bartoszzarychta9632 my leatt broke at super slow speeds and because of the d3o and the length of the fox I feel safer but now concern with what happen to you send me the photos on instagram if you have