For those wondering why Jesper didn't win the turn he cast silence, Kenrith reads "target player draws a card" so after consultation resolves, with Thassa on the stack still, he would have lost due to Kenrith.
What a legend. Of course he painted the best card in the game, Colossal Dreadmaw. It's actually so broken the EDH committee can't ban it so cEDH players choose not to play it by agreement.
Last time I played Colossal Dreadmaw in EDH, I had multiple judges come over to the table telling me it was banned. My table was about to scoop until we got the ruling.
Nice game! At first, I thought that Jesper was just flexing on the table by not casting Oracle and consultation on the Silence turn, but then I realized Kenrith could have just made him draw out and lose if he tried that. Good catch, I definitely wouldn't have seen it until it was too late
At about 6:30 Folger should have drawn a card. Casting a card with madness is casting it from exile, and Ghostly Pilferer would have triggered and drawn a card.
Amazing game. I was cheering for Anje because I play her but that Rest In Peace was...well...RIP Anje. Jesper played so cleanly and his deck worked perfectly I’m impressed
Okay but for real; colossal dreadmaw is one of the first cards I played with, and it singlehandedly got my Dino-loving friend into the game. We still put it in decks and reference it in jest, because to us it really is iconic. Who doesn’t love a big fat trampling dinosaur?
Why didnt Jesper win on the turn Silence resolved with Thassa + Consult rather than clearing the board? Maybe I just cant see what mana he has up, but to me it looks like he has the two blue and black
I think it’s because Kenrith can activate his draw ability while Thassa’s Oracle (or it’s ability) is the stack after resolving Consultation. This will cause Jesper to lose from deckout before Oracle activates its ability.
@@mikehalloran93 facts. A lot of people seem to overlook that kenrith can target anybody with the draw ability and it’s hilarious when people forget about it
It has a very low deckbuilding cost at only 3 slots so it's slotted into decks as opposed to building around it. The decks that do build around it make their decks incredibly proactive and fast because the combo is only 3 mana often also lowering their cmc to leverage better Ad Naus
This definitely feels more up Jesper's alley. When he was playing on Extra Turns, it really felt like he took a cEDH deck in against power 6-7 decks, didn't make me happy to see such a one-sided game.
Not true. The deck was very deliberately matched together in powerlevel. just the fact that Josh draws more than 18 extra cards in the game should tell you that its a fair game.
What card did he name for consultation though? Doesn't affect the game, but it shows personality. I like the idea of naming Fblthp , and not finding him.
@@waltercardcollector they rarely play etb tapped depletion lands, unless using monocolour decks. OG duals, fetches, shocks, 5-colour producing lands, player-check lands (ex. Morphic Pool) and painlands are the ones played. Oh yeah, and Gemstone. Also when playing 4 or 5C, there is just 1 maybe 2 basics in the deck (obv not the same basics and/or you can use snow-covered basics that counts as a different card for tainted pact).
I wonder if he put extra damage on Kenrith expecting Folger to try to save it with +1/+1 counters, may have put an extra damage on Bloom Tender to force Folger to save it also
If my math's correct his opponents had 15 toughness worth of creatures, so he probably spread some extra damage on the bloom tender and the Kenrith, forcing Folger to save only one of them.
Why did ryan destroy the scepter ao early? If folger imprinted dramatic reversal he would have lost the combo after the scepter got destroyed. If he wanted to imprint a counterspell ryan could have waited until folger used it on the following thassa combo from Jesper
Garrett has miscast after Ad Nauseam.. He shouldn't casted Tainted Pact to get Pact of Negation. Jesper's all tapped out, he cannot pay 3 for the miscast right?
Hard to believe somebody won a cEDH pod with the overlooked and underplayed Thassa's Oracle... ...after someone else already tried to win with Thassa's Oracle 😴😴😴
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG i definitely don’t disagree with the power level of necropotence, but in a deck where basically the only goal is to discard a worldgorger dragon to win the game i don’t see how something that exiles all discarding would help. Especially in red and black where it’s super difficult to get rid of enchantments. What are the ways to play around it?
@@dajosh96 When you discard a madness card, you discard it into exile, circumventing the Necropotence exile clause. The necropotence exile is a trigger, and can be responded to. This is where necromancy comes into play, as you can cast it as an instant in response to the exile trigger. This allows you to discord worldgorger and bring it back with Necromancy in order to start the loop.
So it essentially sacrificing having two other cards to combo with worldgorger in the deck with to aggressively dig through the deck faster. I didn’t even think about how the exile on necro is a trigger. Thanks for the info!
Literally every single time that Brian has played on yet he has screwed up at least once the only reason why I know this is cause this is my first CEDH deck and it pisses me off to see it not played to the full power
It is the most efficient combo at just 3 mana..there are other combos but it surely fits in many decks and both cards are really good on their own (especially dconsult)
@@batardglouton5455 My guess is that the RC won't ban it b/c this is card is shaping the meta of cEDH only, not the broader EDH landscape. That is why cEDH needs its own ban list. However, they banned Flash, so who knows. Things are evolving in EDH.
Y'all rely on counterspells too much and not enough targeted removal. There is no reason that Jesper should be allowed to keep everything he plays. It's infuriating to see so much hate directed towards Folger and very little goes at Jesper. So little went at him that he was able to keep the few counters he had. It's as if y'all allowed him to win because he was the guest on your channel. Seriously guys, consider more removal spells than maybe someone won't have such an easy win as Jesper did here.
The lack of removal is a common cEDH problem and for a good reason. It's usually a very bad deal to lose a card one for one, slowing you down and letting the other player who didn't interact getting ahead while you spent a card and mana to deal with this. I still agree that we should run more single removal spell.
@@batardglouton5455 I can 100% see where you're coming from. Resources, resource management, and timing are all integral parts of winning a cEDH game. My issue is that if you don't have a counterspell in hand to deal with a problematic card and no one else in the pod has one either, there is almost no way of getting rid of those problems. Yes, we see cards like Fire Covenant, Nature's Claim, Toxic Deluge, and Assassin's trophy to help deal with problems but that's only 4 cards out of so many options. Swords to Plowshares, Path to Exile, Rapid Hybridization, Beast Within, Pongify, vindicate, etc. Those cards very rarely get played if even put into the decklist! Some of these have high mana costs and I get why they aren't the first choice but that then means you have fewer ways to stop someone from winning. In my mind, more answers and ways of dealing with your opponents' win conditions is never a bad thing.
Can confirm, Jesper is a monster.
The man gave Thassa's Oracle form. Obviously a beast! haha
i agree wholeheartedly
Indeed 😂
Watched him giving your bunch a tough time on a couple of occasions. Zany games
For those wondering why Jesper didn't win the turn he cast silence, Kenrith reads "target player draws a card" so after consultation resolves, with Thassa on the stack still, he would have lost due to Kenrith.
If it was me, I would've made that mistake. Thanks for pointing it out.
Thank you! I missed that line and was really confused
Very nice, didn't think about that
Thank you for this! Completely missed that!
Oooooooohhhhhhh
"He then casts Weirded Vampire" is not a phrase I ever expected to hear at a cEDH table.
jesper is a new pillar of the community, I'm so glad he was openly a degenerate on the command zone channel
What a legend. Of course he painted the best card in the game, Colossal Dreadmaw.
It's actually so broken the EDH committee can't ban it so cEDH players choose not to play it by agreement.
Last time I played Colossal Dreadmaw in EDH, I had multiple judges come over to the table telling me it was banned. My table was about to scoop until we got the ruling.
I love that Jesper beat them on multiple fronts, getting to choose between combat damage and combo.
It's like he was saying "I could win with warriors, bit I didn't draw those"
He should’ve done what his deck was doing and attacked for the win. That’s so much more satisfying than randomly drawing your combo
@@S44LT True, but its also fun to prove you can do both. Sorta like extra credit on the win lol.
Don't love that he chose the boring dumb bankable way instead
@@S44LT Huh? Jesper tutored the combo a few turns earlier
"very influencial pieces"
Shows Colossal Dreadmaw
Ah, I see You are well cultured as well
I just love how the vid shows Colossal Dreadmaw at the same moment as the words "...some very influential cards..." are spoken. Perfect.
Man, I love Anje decks so much. "Ryan casts CEDH allstar, Weirded Vampire"
Nice game! At first, I thought that Jesper was just flexing on the table by not casting Oracle and consultation on the Silence turn, but then I realized Kenrith could have just made him draw out and lose if he tried that. Good catch, I definitely wouldn't have seen it until it was too late
I knew he was a cedh player!!!!!!!
Same
He play hate bears on extra turns
At about 6:30 Folger should have drawn a card. Casting a card with madness is casting it from exile, and Ghostly Pilferer would have triggered and drawn a card.
Came here to post exactly the same thing.
Holy moly, what a game, very well played by all. Jesper not going for the win with Thassa's + Consultation with Kenrith on the table was gas.
As a graveyard player I almost cried when I saw that Rest in Peace
I've noticed that in cedh the graveyard is just an extension of hand. And you should never think otherwise. RIP suuuuucks in edh.
I play a lot of golgari and sultai decks, so the yard is important. Never leave without my trusty riftsweeper
Amazing game. I was cheering for Anje because I play her but that Rest In Peace was...well...RIP Anje. Jesper played so cleanly and his deck worked perfectly I’m impressed
Jesper is a blast to play against. Played against him in oldschool in Gothenburg last year. Super chill guy.
Ah yes one of the most influential pieces of Magic history.... Colossal Dreadmaw!
Truly an icon of the game
Okay but for real; colossal dreadmaw is one of the first cards I played with, and it singlehandedly got my Dino-loving friend into the game. We still put it in decks and reference it in jest, because to us it really is iconic. Who doesn’t love a big fat trampling dinosaur?
Hey, Colossal Dreadmaw is great. It is to green what Counterspell is to blue and Lightning Bolt is to red. Fight me.
@@jimmykeffer7401 Oh I love Dreadmaw. It won me a Masters 25 draft.
@@seanmurphy3430 Oh i highly agree with you. Dreadmaw won me a Masters 25 draft.
Great game. It was evident he played CEDH after seeing his Command Zone game.
He's....he's good
Ryan’s opening hand looks so friggin good
Oh my... the guest is and artist and a player! GGs guys!
What an awesome episode, with an awesome guest! I'm definitely going to check out his site, what an awesome portfolio ♥️
Nice jesper ejsing is my favorite mtg artist I also bought his book elsewhere I actually love this episode just from knowing that he is in it
How many Thassa's Oracles does Jesper have in his deck? At 9:50 you can see a regular one, and at the end he wins with a borderless one (13:40)
He decided to pull out his special one for the camera, since he was winning with it already.
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG haha, good to know
Yes, but where is Jesper's winning art piece from the finger-panting competition?
So cool on so many levels. Kudos giving him a proper shout out.
WOW the Winner rocks the Big One, don't want to spoil the surprise for those who have not seen the episode yet .. Great game all !
Jesper painted the Queen Among Bears!!!
Jesper is such a savage :D I like it. he takes no prisoners.
Awesome guest and game, can’t wait for more!
Very influential... Colossal Dreadmaw. I like your thinking Ryan.
This is a lot of work to put these videos together. Great work.
awesome game. one of the better ones on the channel. so cool he won with his own card hahaha
Love seeing Jesper, great artist and great player!
me: hey, i haven't seen this one
video: 15 seconds ago
me: wait, why didn't i get a notification
notification: hi!
Jesper just ran away with that game! He had the 2 of them dead both on board with combat damage AND with the combo! What a game.
Why didnt Jesper win on the turn Silence resolved with Thassa + Consult rather than clearing the board? Maybe I just cant see what mana he has up, but to me it looks like he has the two blue and black
Kenrith would make him draw a card and lose in response to the Thassa trigger, I believe
I think it’s because Kenrith can activate his draw ability while Thassa’s Oracle (or it’s ability) is the stack after resolving Consultation. This will cause Jesper to lose from deckout before Oracle activates its ability.
Gosh, what a heads up play. I wonder how many people would have just gone for Silence->Thassa->Consultation without thinking about Kenrith
@@mikehalloran93 facts. A lot of people seem to overlook that kenrith can target anybody with the draw ability and it’s hilarious when people forget about it
Yeah I def would have just went for the win and lost. Thanks for the replys
Jesper! Love this dude
I Love this guy. More vids with him.
That was a merciless beating of a game.
jesper wins the fingerpainting competition, by like, A MILE
Jesper!! Great game great art
Woah that’s so awesome!
is oracle + consultation a combo to build a deck around or more of a "oh you play those colors? put it in!"
It has a very low deckbuilding cost at only 3 slots so it's slotted into decks as opposed to building around it.
The decks that do build around it make their decks incredibly proactive and fast because the combo is only 3 mana often also lowering their cmc to leverage better Ad Naus
@0:55 “He is responsible for the art on some very influential cards.”
*Immediately shows Colossal Dreadmaw*
I see you are men of culture, as well!
great game, jesper having a great performance ^^
love the inclusion of colossal dreadmaw
Great game all..keep up the good work...golos will get them next time ?
Favorite cedh channel along with favorite artist. Thank you for the great upload
Damn Jesper got skillz
Always love your gameplays and content more power to your power. Playing. Haha
Whew Jesper is one very good player as well as an artist. Note to self, if one fights him go full power lol.
Maybe I'm watching these in some strange order, but I'm seeing Anje almost every game. Is she that good/fun?
I could not understand why Bloom Tender didn't die to the fire covenant...did I miss something that protected that creature?
This definitely feels more up Jesper's alley. When he was playing on Extra Turns, it really felt like he took a cEDH deck in against power 6-7 decks, didn't make me happy to see such a one-sided game.
Not true. The deck was very deliberately matched together in powerlevel. just the fact that Josh draws more than 18 extra cards in the game should tell you that its a fair game.
ryan's deck is different. i couldn't find thrill of possibility in that list on the description.
Amazing game!
Jesper is king
What card did he name for consultation though? Doesn't affect the game, but it shows personality. I like the idea of naming Fblthp , and not finding him.
I also wanna know. Notice us, senpai!!!!!
@@1TonyinCA From now on I will name Fblthp...
Funny! He named Compost because he loved how much work it was doing in our previous games that day!
It would be cool to play with you guys. Keep up the good content.
Awesome
How do players guarantee to exile their library with Tainted Pact? Do they just not play basic lands?
1 of each basic
@@johnveit2139 Wow. No wonder I see CEDH decks use weird ETB tapped depletion lands!
@@waltercardcollector they rarely play etb tapped depletion lands, unless using monocolour decks. OG duals, fetches, shocks, 5-colour producing lands, player-check lands (ex. Morphic Pool) and painlands are the ones played. Oh yeah, and Gemstone. Also when playing 4 or 5C, there is just 1 maybe 2 basics in the deck (obv not the same basics and/or you can use snow-covered basics that counts as a different card for tainted pact).
@@omegacreate Oh wow right. Thanks.
Any ideas how Anje could win if graveyards are exiled? All of my win cons involve the yard. Either gorger or living death.
Normally you just hard lose. You have to pack some sort of removal for these elements.
Could someone explain why Jesper pumped the Fire Covenant for so much?. Did he think it targeted the players or something ?
Was nice game anyways :).
I wonder if he put extra damage on Kenrith expecting Folger to try to save it with +1/+1 counters, may have put an extra damage on Bloom Tender to force Folger to save it also
If my math's correct his opponents had 15 toughness worth of creatures, so he probably spread some extra damage on the bloom tender and the Kenrith, forcing Folger to save only one of them.
@@pietroventuroli5091 yep. I couldnt win with kenrith on the board
needed him out of the picture
Why did jesper not play his oracle combo when he had a silence active?
Kenneth would have forced the draw before Oracles trigger resolved.
@@IceForPvMGaming Ah, nice! Didn't think about King Kenny's ability.
Don't worry Folger. You'll get em next time, buddy.
Blade blossom too stronk
Awesome match!
Can he please sign my foil Thassas oracle! Played it in pioneer play it in cedh now!
Nice video
Why did ryan destroy the scepter ao early? If folger imprinted dramatic reversal he would have lost the combo after the scepter got destroyed. If he wanted to imprint a counterspell ryan could have waited until folger used it on the following thassa combo from Jesper
reversal was the only logic imprint as it would give infinite mana for win...why imprint counterspell instead of just holding up counterspell?
Sorry to ask, but anje has black and red as commander color, why ryan can play wooded foothills and marshflats? Isnt that an violation of the rules?
fetchlands dont have the symbols of mana but it tells you what to look for in text.
Thanks, so he plays it only to search for mountain or swamp.
@@danielkuttel7867 yep, and he can use them to search for a Badlands or a Blood Crypt since those are Swamp Mountains
Yup najeela represent weeeee
Jesper you ruined magic by making Thassa's Oracle lol! Just kidding I know you just do the art and your art is amazing!
Shouldn't anje have another combo incase he gets locked out from loss of graveyard or other problems
Has nearly lethal on board, still casts Thoracle to win XD
I drew the card, needed to win with it if i could
Why not show the number of cards in players hand?
We used to, but it adds a lot to the production time.
Big flex
Garrett has miscast after Ad Nauseam.. He shouldn't casted Tainted Pact to get Pact of Negation. Jesper's all tapped out, he cannot pay 3 for the miscast right?
Isn't Golos banned?
Yes. This was recorded before the golos ban.
Why did Jesper wait so long for FishConsultation?
Kenneth.
@@IceForPvMGaming Kenneth, the guy who came back.
Kenrith's ability would make him lose the game, he needed to kill it before going for the win.
Can we expect Jesper to make and break another deal? This will be the third time...
cedh : everyone tries to win with the same combo ...
Bored of Thoracle
Yeah... me too. We pass month crying about flash hulk then this shit appear...
@@Devsho83 exactly...
When 3/4 of the table have thassa’s oracle for a win con, you know it’s a fair card
Hard to believe somebody won a cEDH pod with the overlooked and underplayed Thassa's Oracle...
...after someone else already tried to win with Thassa's Oracle 😴😴😴
I feel like necropotence isn’t the most optimal of cards in an anje deck lmao
Normally it would be seen as very bad, but its power is actually quite good and Anje decks have ways around it.
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG i definitely don’t disagree with the power level of necropotence, but in a deck where basically the only goal is to discard a worldgorger dragon to win the game i don’t see how something that exiles all discarding would help. Especially in red and black where it’s super difficult to get rid of enchantments. What are the ways to play around it?
@@dajosh96 When you discard a madness card, you discard it into exile, circumventing the Necropotence exile clause. The necropotence exile is a trigger, and can be responded to. This is where necromancy comes into play, as you can cast it as an instant in response to the exile trigger. This allows you to discord worldgorger and bring it back with Necromancy in order to start the loop.
So it essentially sacrificing having two other cards to combo with worldgorger in the deck with to aggressively dig through the deck faster.
I didn’t even think about how the exile on necro is a trigger. Thanks for the info!
cant be power without half the table running blue counters
Kind of an untenable flex to win a CDH game with a card you created the art for.
Couldn't Jesper just attack Ryan with 22 warriors XD?
It was his backup plan in case Ryan countered Oracle. He was winning either way.
I could, but trying to take a win with my own Thassa was very much my focus
Jesper what card did you name on Demonic Consultation, just curiosity?
@@1TonyinCA Giant growth! one card i never play
Oh look. More Thassa decks.
First
Literally every single time that Brian has played on yet he has screwed up at least once the only reason why I know this is cause this is my first CEDH deck and it pisses me off to see it not played to the full power
Who is Brian?
I'm a simple man, I see a thassa's oracle win, i downvote
Suuuuuper boring 3 decks with thoracle consultation :( Is this meta solved already?
It is the most efficient combo at just 3 mana..there are other combos but it surely fits in many decks and both cards are really good on their own (especially dconsult)
Some talk about banning the card and I agree.
@@batardglouton5455 My guess is that the RC won't ban it b/c this is card is shaping the meta of cEDH only, not the broader EDH landscape. That is why cEDH needs its own ban list. However, they banned Flash, so who knows. Things are evolving in EDH.
always has been.
@@datlad35960 always has been boring or solved?
First?
Y'all rely on counterspells too much and not enough targeted removal. There is no reason that Jesper should be allowed to keep everything he plays. It's infuriating to see so much hate directed towards Folger and very little goes at Jesper. So little went at him that he was able to keep the few counters he had. It's as if y'all allowed him to win because he was the guest on your channel. Seriously guys, consider more removal spells than maybe someone won't have such an easy win as Jesper did here.
The lack of removal is a common cEDH problem and for a good reason. It's usually a very bad deal to lose a card one for one, slowing you down and letting the other player who didn't interact getting ahead while you spent a card and mana to deal with this. I still agree that we should run more single removal spell.
@@batardglouton5455 I can 100% see where you're coming from. Resources, resource management, and timing are all integral parts of winning a cEDH game. My issue is that if you don't have a counterspell in hand to deal with a problematic card and no one else in the pod has one either, there is almost no way of getting rid of those problems. Yes, we see cards like Fire Covenant, Nature's Claim, Toxic Deluge, and Assassin's trophy to help deal with problems but that's only 4 cards out of so many options. Swords to Plowshares, Path to Exile, Rapid Hybridization, Beast Within, Pongify, vindicate, etc. Those cards very rarely get played if even put into the decklist! Some of these have high mana costs and I get why they aren't the first choice but that then means you have fewer ways to stop someone from winning.
In my mind, more answers and ways of dealing with your opponents' win conditions is never a bad thing.
That's something I have often noticed when watching cEDH games, I feel like they undervalue spot removal.
@@charlesmaillho367 counterspells are always better than removal. If you run a bunch of removal you'll never be able to win or stop fish consult
@@charlesmaillho367 look at all the things lightning bolt removes, and that greedy Ad Naus too ;).