The original orcs were derived from elves, yes, but the Uruk hai were a hybrid of man and orcs. So technically they have elf in them, but not from anything that wasn’t already there from what Morgoth already did in previous Ages.
@@RandomLore5 The idea that Orcs were corrupted Elves comes from the published Silmarillion, but that reflected Tolkien's thinking very early on, around 1930. Because that was the only completed text that Christopher Tolkien had to rely on without significant re-writing, he used it as written. But Tolkien himself changed his thinking about the origin of Orks (as he came to spell it). He finally decided in the last 1950s that Orks must be corrupted Men and Elves were not involved in their origins.
It’s how I’ve pronounced it since I first read it. A personal preference, really, and open to interpretation of pronunciation. But if gatekeeping is what makes you feel like you know more about the Tolkien legendarium than me, have at it bud.
Another key element of the Uruk-Hai was their ability to function in sunlight, which traditional Orcs always had trouble with.
I thought it was a combination from elves? As he says in the two towers, they were taken by the dark powers when and forged to perfection..
The original orcs were derived from elves, yes, but the Uruk hai were a hybrid of man and orcs. So technically they have elf in them, but not from anything that wasn’t already there from what Morgoth already did in previous Ages.
@@RandomLore5 The idea that Orcs were corrupted Elves comes from the published Silmarillion, but that reflected Tolkien's thinking very early on, around 1930. Because that was the only completed text that Christopher Tolkien had to rely on without significant re-writing, he used it as written. But Tolkien himself changed his thinking about the origin of Orks (as he came to spell it). He finally decided in the last 1950s that Orks must be corrupted Men and Elves were not involved in their origins.
@@jrpipikI know Tolkien preferred the corrupted men theory, but it wouldn’t make sense chronologically as orcs appeared before men in Middle-Earth.
@@RandomLore5 He resolves those questions in Morgoth's Ring 416 ff in the section subtitled (per the notes) "The Marring of Men."
@@jrpipik Very interesting, I will look into this further, thank you for the information!
Only a fool would pronounce Saruman as 'Saroomin'. This is not the video of a Tolkien or Jackson fan.
It’s how I’ve pronounced it since I first read it. A personal preference, really, and open to interpretation of pronunciation. But if gatekeeping is what makes you feel like you know more about the Tolkien legendarium than me, have at it bud.
I always pronounced it " Sah-rah-sta-mon"
@@RandomLore5 Can't really ague with that 😁 Good luck with the channel. Subscribed!