Johan Nybäck yeah when those hellboy animated films were out I thought they were from a tv show but I was wrong. I would gladly accept that only if Ron Pearlman comes back as Hellboy.
TV shows are way better than movies because they have time to develop the characters and the world and show us plenty of different fun, interesting and cool things before the end so its annoying to me that movies get so much more love and attention. The only thing movies can do better is special effects and animation but thats only because they get more money.
@@aiden_macleod Yeah,but The storm and the fury was near the climax of Hellboy's journey as a character.Seed of Destruction,Wake the Devil and Conqueror Worn were stories which,although pivotal to Hellboy's universe,never got too ambitious. This movie on the other hand...
Intresting comparaison, but I think that the first Hellboy by Guillermo Deltoro is of course more close to this thing. Not only for the franchise, but for the quest to stop a evil villain and find apocalyptic artefact before it's too late, and introduce a all cast and universe. And the first Hellboy did a good job despite limited budget and ambition. This movie wasted his potentiel because he wanted to be the new deadpool.
@@fredriksvard2603 ure objectively wrong lol. How many movies did you watch? 5? I bet more than half of the movies you saw are objectively worse than infinity war
@@itsgonnabeokay9341 I love Infinity War as much as the next guy, but it's not objective. It's subjective, even when masses enjoy something, or critics enjoy something, or film makers enjoy something - it would still be subjective. It's not quantifiable - and it's still based upon opinions, even when those opinions would be based upon facts, traits or tropes.
@@ChristianSandviknes no it is objective. You cant just say the best movie in the history of cinema is "bad" because hey its my opinion I can say whatever I want. No, it doesnt work like that. You can hate it but it doesnt mean youre right and it doesnt mean that the movie is bad.
Hellboy fans: "We want another movie based on the first two and with Ron Perlman!" A still in shape Ron: "I'm ready, willing and able!" Hollywood: "Here's a reboot that's totally unconnected to the original with an all new cast!" Yeah I don't know if the mystery of why this flopped will ever be solved...
No offence but I'm sure not all the original cast could come back and it would have been ridiculous to have not made he story directly after the second movie but the cast would have aged quite a bit for the film to have taken place right after the second film an you cant just replace old actors like nothing so it would have made sense to do a rebute
@@simplyme9787 In my opinion (steering away from the factual aspects): a legend is anything that is astounding or epic; shared stories and shared words; people; places; things, etc. Anything can be legendary, even if the story or the words attached are hypothetically invaluable. The individuals who remember or cherish the person(s), places or things: are the people that are subconsciously, and gradually granting legends (in my opinion).
just because the specific person you wanted to play the role didn't get the role doesn't mean it's automatically a flop. If anything, it just proves you and many other's(Obviously, from all the likes) are pretty narrow minded and unwilling to accept any sort of change. I can say with full confidence that you and many other's already made up your minds on exactly how you felt about the movie, before *actually* *seeing* *it* Ron Perlman is great, but I'm not so petty to think Ron is the only person who can play Hellboy ever. It's misguided, unjustified and very petty logic.
The moving the deadline thing really sounds like playing DnD with a GM who REALLY doesn't want to kill off the party's characters no matter how badly they roll...
In all honesty, Hellboy is generally a passive hero. He doesn't WANT to do much, his hand and his lineage keep dragging him into conflict, but he doesn't really want or drive plots himself until the end of the comic.
Yes, but Filmento has a point: when you have a character that is more of a passive disinterested type, you still need to come up with story/plot mechanisms to get him to be involved in the plot. For example in the first two movies, even though Hellboy was the passive disinterested hero, there was still a stronger sense of him taking action in the plot.
Yes but here is the deal: Hellboy needs a character arc (example: in first movie he is a childish adult, but at the end he learns what is to become an adult) see? Those simple traits with a polished script could have turned this movie into a decent reboot
According to some other people, the Blood Queen lady is a character that was only brought up way later in the comics and probably definitely shouldn’t have been the big bad of the new reboot
@@aliahpersonous2893 ya blood queen was a more latter villain but Rasputin had already been done with other hellboys So it was either a rehash or do her cause u cant rlly do any of his demon villains like his uncle or father etc right off the bat. But she wasnt even the issue. It was the tone. and thin ass story and etc
Pretty sure that is just a summary of the books as well. (book compilations of the comics) Spoiler alert, the first book starts out with the Professor dying before it is even stated he is basically Hellboy's dad. Even after knowing the Professor was Hellboy's dad(from movies) I wasn't fully sure who just died until people said that they where close and I put two and two together. Lots of the comics are just throwing pieces together and everyone in universe knows what is going on but the reader kind of has to figure it out. Still really like the series, just get use to the feeling of not knowing anything that is going on until much later.
Ahhh, if only. I still have a sliver of hope he might come back to the franchise one day. I know it will most likely never happen, but a small part of me has hope still 😂
@@codyt821 It's possible. Given how Ghostbusters: Afterlife is coming out later this month, it's possible for a franchise to return after a terrible reboot.
Del toro: Hm is wanna make 3 movies about hellboy and have intriguing characters and moments Hollywood: two hours take it or leave it Del toro: I already have two- Hollywood: reeboot
And those executives and directors are still detached from reality and don’t know what fans want. They only care about money, if killing people made them more money than making movies, they’d be doing that.
The scene where Hellboy meets Baba Yaga I though was a lot more interesting than the whole movie. It should have just been about that: Hellboy and the occult anf folklore. The set piece of Baba Yaga's home and the practical makeup effects were incredible, and the scene had a nice tone to it. To bad it was coupled with the mess that was the rest of the movie
Makes no sense, Hollywood is the one making amazing movies . Wasn't A:IW made by Hollywood as well??? Wasn't first 2 Hellboy movies made by Hollywood as well ????
Hollywood doesn't call the shots, it's the studios that do. Saying that would be the equivalent to game publishers like Activision "making" the games when in reality, its the development team of Treyarch/Infinity Ward that actually creates them.
@@TheAkashicTraveller wait really? Shit I didnt know man. That was the only one i could think of. Didn't know they would stoop THAT low, but anything can happen nowadays. But i still stand with what i was trying to say. Hollywood itself doesn't call the shots.
This movie tried to condense like a dozen of different storylines of the comics into one movie, yeah the moment I understood that I knew this movie was going to fail
The moment I heard that "The storm and the fury" a chapter that is practically in the final part of Hellboy and leads to the last phase of his arc was put into the first movie, I knew it was hot garbage. Then I saw the new design and that pretty much sealed it.
@@Conan-Le-Cimmerien He was seemingly more comic accurate - a gas mask wearing germophobe as opposed to a knife wielding assassin. Sadly comic accurate doesn't automatically translate into good movie.
Hellboy killing his own friend in the ring reminds me of Bender from Futurama killing his Chef mentor claming he'll defeat Chef Elzar to avenge him, in which Elzar is like "O-okay, but it sounds like, it was *you* who killed him though"
13:39 "...when his dad explains that the pig is after the witches' body parts." That, right there, is the best sentence to take out of context since "the angels have taken the phone booth."
@Dark Legionnaire kinda a issue though, you are assuming that if something draws inspiration from something else that it is copying/plagiarizing it, however if we were going by that logic then almost anything and everything that is a better version of the previous version is a copy. I am not trying to defend it or anything, but it is good to note, also, companies thrive on competition, it is what makes them work harder and harder on their product. The star wars marvel comics for instance are currently in a decline as asides from there not being any actual competition for the comics, they are actually lazy, paying no attention to detail and cutting every corner they can by actually tracing lines of other people's works and even models which if you end up watching some of the more star wars related channels like Echkardsladder and such, they point out that one of the comic scene actually has ships drawn with the model stilts on them. Asides from that, I would like to point out that though hellboy is true to source at times, it is also good to note that hellboy also is part of dark horse comics, it shares the same space with other series like The Mask, 300, and R.I.P.D. just to name a few which were also adapted into movies, not to mention that dark horse comics also undertook the process of making comics for already existing films, ironically including once the star wars comics before they became a Disney property. By this point, it is safe to point out that while yes, Marvel has probably used some ideas from hellboy and other dark horse comics before, it is also good to point out that while most dark horse comics RARELY cross over with each other, Marvel has a comic universe like DC in which anything that happens in one comics may or may not affect others depending on story. Yes, this was wrong and I do not expect you to read it all or to agree with me, just thought I would bring up information that may get you interested in doing research like I did to come to a more educated conclusion, regardless of it either being positive or negative towards either hellboy(dark horse comics) or Marvel Comics.
@Dark Legionnaire yeah, I get where ya coming from on your points now, just a little misunderstanding at the start there, but yeah, the fact that someone has to compare a movie with another, more popular movie at the same is something which does make me wonder what the point is, though I will admit that there was a bit of a point with the constantly changing focus, the older hellboy movies held up because we did have a actual clear goal, as for this one, as far as I can tell no one really knows what is going on until it is pretty much too late, and then the fact that she switches from using a plague to kill everyone to using hellboy himself for it just does not sit well with me. All that aside, I would just like more honest reviews with people's personal opinions that do not compared it to [insert current best movie title of the time here], because it is honestly getting boring, like you said hellboy is more a detective fantasy type deal, where as marvel is more about all the things going on, from the simplest of joke characters like squirl girl to the biggest of figures like the celestials and the stones (which I am pissed about in the movies still because one, you cannot destroy a single infinity stone without destroying the rest which cause of end of the universe scenario, and two that the celestials are more powerful than entities like galactus) and will include anything from the simplest of criminals all the way up to the most magical of heros, there is no real comparison, infact the only way you can compare hellboy with any other comic books is in DC, not Marvel, due to the character of Constantine since he is pretty much the only other fantasy/magic related character in either DC or Marvel that is pretty much a detective, and even then he is not even a demon of any kind, there is literally NO ONE ELSE I can think of to compare to with hellboy in DC, Marvel, or any others.
@@StoriesByDighe The story is pretty good in the comics. But they had lot of time flushing out the characters, motivations etc. For example, the witch used to be an extremely educated queen, and the man-bear-pig was in unrequited love with her. There is a whole arc about it. Then king Arthur and his knights have a whole arc. Hellboy was indeed uninterested protagonist in large part, because he was depressed (because prof. Broom dies at the start of the comics). The movie just crammed it all together and hoped it would work.
Whats dumb is, when Helboy works best in the comic, its when he's all alone with just his gun going down into a dark dungeon/basement/crypt/subway to face some gigantic entity. No charecters no plot. His shilohette moving from pilar to pillar. Like Deckard in blade runner. A killer on a mission.
@@ulysses9285 I'm not a "fan boy groupie", I go to see movies that look good and get good reviews, and this looked like shit and got shit reviews so I skipped it.
Hellboy isn't really a motivated character since in the comics he is supposed to be this sarcastic downer of a character who's always drinking his sorrows away and acts apathetic towards everything. Most of the time he does something because there's nothing better to do, and simply because it's his job. This wouldn't be a problem if they simply chose one or two locations for him to investigate for this movie but like you said the setting keeps changing every scene when some can honestly have been the focus in one movie. The biggest problem the movie has is that it tried playing all its cards at once in an attempt to satisfy people who wanted Hellboy 3, bringing about the plotline in which Hellboy actually starts Armageddon.
The creators of this movie forgot to be patient and plan better. Also I liked how in the comics hellboy is known by the world. I think the first two movies were secretive because they took some inspiration from men in black.
In fairness, he only becomes a despairing, alcoholic sadsack *after* he quits the Bureau. Chiefly due to disillusionment with them, but also discovering just *how big* his cosmic significance is. Before then, I find he's pretty motivated. Certainly as a protector of humanity and especially active in discovering his origins, starting with his Right Hand. He's sardonic, sure, but there's a heart there. The apathy only really kicks in in *the Storm and the Fury.* Even then, once he's realised he's drunk himself into a stupor over the past 6 years, he quits.
when hellboy turns evil -2019 long shallow speech about how it's not him -first movie "remember who you are" and remembers his dead father I think I know the best one
To be fair, Hellboy does not have a clear goal as a character in the comics. He is a blue collar type of guy who does his job, and really want no part of his own grand demonic destiny. That is why he cuts off his horns. He rejects the world altering plot he is in to the point of taking a buzz saw to his face. How you would translate that to a traditional Hollywood movie, I have no idea.
You set up a mission that he gets assigned to in the first act, then he learns about something that motivates him to stop it for the 2nd and 3rd acts (kinda like Iron Man 1). This version just had him getting sent place to place without him caring for the entire film.
But Guillermo del Toro did a great job with his Hellboy movies, it stinks to see Mike Mignola having some passive aggressive dislike to Guillermo's Hellboy vision, and now when he had more control in the reboot it sucks ball.
@@theflashgordon193 The big factor is probably just time. A long-running comic series can afford to take an episodic approach to its plot and the development of its cast. Do things at its own pace, introduce characters in their normal status quo, have sequences of simple introspection, etc. And then, once we are engrossed in the world and characters, that's where The Big Plot can happen and be the climax to everything we've seen. In a way, that's also the approach the MCU took, and it took a long-ass time and a crapton of movies. A single film doesn't have the time to do that.
The worst part was when the knight puts her head in the box. You can't have your villain proclaim she's unstoppable and seconds later have her scream her tits off. You just turned your villain into a horror victim.
I was never a fan of villains who start off already "dead" or "defeated/sealed", there are exceptions but most of them just show how easy they were able to be taken out by people before our hero.
Watching this it reminded me a lot of The Mummy, and how amazing of a movie that was and how botched this was in comparison. It did the dead villain returning so well.
one thing that pissed me off was the intro, in theater it makes her out to just straight up be evil, but in the other version they did, she was sympathetic and you could understand her wanting to protect magical kind but was willing for peace, but gets betrayed by man and her own. I don't think they even knew what they wanted from the movie.
The movie would’ve been much better if it had a few changes: -Kill off Hellboy’s friend in the middle of the movie, by one of the 2 antagonists. That way, everything is personal and maybe hellboy feels hopeless against such a threat. -there are good ways to have a depressed hero and hellboy would’ve been a great if the reason behind his depression was more profound. -hellboy should’ve beaten the pig man near the end of the movie to demonstrate he is now driven and how he’s gotten better. -maybe lighten up on flashbacks. If there are too many flash backs of a person’s origin, you have too many non important characters which could be remedied by giving them love in another movie(ie don’t put all of you eggs in one basket. Maybe save some for later so the characters could be more fleshed out and be given clear personality/character development). Something I did like about his personality in the movie is that he kinda acts vaguely like a teenager, which I guess makes sense. That’s something I don’t see a lot in hero movies and lends credence to the Guillermo Del toro movies. And the movie was a stupid fun movie where you’d have to turn your brain off to enjoy it and I’m not going to lie, that’s kinda nice. I know nothing about movie making and I haven’t read the hellboy series(I read a few volumes as a kid but that’s basically it) so maybe I’m completely wrong. I enjoyed the movie, but hey, can enjoy some mega trash movies, as long as their fun. I just would like it if studios stopped trying to copy the MCU and try a cinematic universe in an original way. Thank you for attending my ted talk that you will probably never read.
@@charlespuruncajas9663 Number 1 way to fix this movie: make it Hellboy 3, sequel to the two previous movies in which all of this was already established, making the necessary room to try to establish all the new stuff.
@@glenrichardson8266 Harbour is a good actor no doubt but his Hellboy characterization was not great. Hellboy felt like a Looser trying to be someone great. He didn't carry the confidence into his actions. Actually, half the time he didn't know what was happening.
BASIL!!!!! Βασίλειος Absolutely not. Batman thrived in realism, Iron Man never pretended to be realistic. One was about a man owning his fears and weaponizing them against criminals, the other was about an actual villain realizing the damage he does in the world and using his skills and knowledge to rectify his sins. Bruce Wayne became Batman voluntarily so that his tragedies wouldn’t be inflicted on other people, while Tony Stark was forced into becoming Iron Man and then used him to fix his wrongs. Other than the fact the two movies feature a billionaire who uses his mind and money to become a superhero, (one of which remains an anonymous vigilante while the other publicly announces his identity to the world) the movies have nothing in common, and I dare you to prove otherwise. Μη μας κάνεις να φαινόμαστε σα ζώα μπροστά στον κόσμο, πατριώτη!
@@alexman378 Tony Stark was not forced to become Iron Man what are you talking about? He was ordered to make more weapons, which he refused to do even under threat of death. He fully committed himself to becoming Iron Man on his own and fix the problems he caused. Very similar to Batman refusing to destroy Gotham after he finished his training with Ra's al Ghul. They both could have taken the evil path, but fought their way out of it. They then go fighting crime, fixing problems, fleeing from the government, and end with their climactic fight against the main villain, with somewhat realistic stakes. The main difference between the two is Batman and Bruce Wayne are separate parts of one man's identity, while Tony Stark and Iron Man are wholly the same in all aspects, but both are acceptable and identifying aspects of each character.
It always saddens me to see Harbour's performance lost in this movie. Taking Hellboy's mantel after Ron's superb interpretation needs some pretty sturdy balls, and he was so into it that I can really see how he put all his soul into his role, he made such a good job working with what he was given, plus i just love his more gritty down to earth look that really contrasts with the "fantasy" like approach of Del Toro's, I think both of these interpretations of the character are great.
Its kinda funny how we can't even talk about historical events anymore for fear of censorship. German n-words lol. Actually I take it back, its actually not funny at all, this shit is pissing me off.
A guy names himself Snake Plissken and he say's N-word what a world what a world. Just say Nazi's ... Dont let that shit slide. If i said My grandad and his peers fought and died fighting n-words ... He'd kick my arse.
Alexander what does the right have to do with this? TH-cam is a lefty safe haven and “Nazi” is “hate speech” therefore it is a banned word that can get you demonetized. It’s the left that causes this, see what has happened in Canada with speech...this has nothing to do with the right.
From a structural perspective, *you nailed the problem down perfectly.* I honestly can't add more to that. Bravo. 👍 Speaking as a Hellboy fan (primarily of the comics, but also Del Toro's movies), I think the other big problem is the insane amount of stuff lifted straight from the comics and plopped in the movie as *meaningless fan service.* The Pig Monster, Baba Yaga, Rasputin, the Natsos, Baby Hellboy, Lobster Johnson, the resurrected Corpse, all can been seen in this video alone. I'm surprised the frog monsters from *Seed of Destruction* didn't show up. It's just butchered references Frankensteined together screaming "HEY LOOK AT ME! WE UNDERSTOOD THE CONCEPT OF THIS! HUH? RIGHT? END ME NOW, PLEASE?"
When I heard that they was making a Hellboy reboot I was ACTUALLY excited. I thought it was gonna be a Dark superhero horror story witch (IMO) Sounded AWESOME! It was even directed by the guy who made The Descent witch is one of the few horror movies to actually make me feel scared. Cool right?right? *RIGHT?* Then the trailer came out. I Instantly knew this was gonna be a dumpster fire. Havnt been this dissapointed in a long time David Harbour was awesome as Hellboy though. Sad he wasn't in a better movie
@@GaymerGuy89 huh, well if THIS is a Hellboy more accurate to the comics then maybe alterations are necessary (by the way, this movie isn’t accurate to the comics either, everyone fucked up big time).
This is literally JoJo: The bad guy wants to collect the corpse parts (part 7) and when the bad guy gets that done they have to wait for the full moon or something .(part 6)
The first thing that a writers need to learn is that in the first pages we are making promises to the readers. They will give us our time, and we will give them a story with this tone, this plot, this stakes, etc. There are very few books that break the promises and are still good and well regarded. Most of the time, changed promises are more like addition on top of the previous one, but almost never a whole change or a downgrade. I think that this movie suffered from not understanding the promises that it was making and breaking them unknowingly.
okay but.... what if that is why what happened to Tony happened at all. It took up all of his battery... If he didn't get the surgery at the end of 3 he might have made it.(since the arc reactor could power his body a few hundred times over)
Well...technically the Power Stone is the battery...so Thanos got that first. If he needed another battery...he'd probably just be out to rip Stark's arc reactor off his chest.
Am i the only one who sees Hellboy's face and immediately thinks of a melting action figure? I mean... look at him! The make up in the first two is infinitely better!
It was released near Captain Marvel and Endgame. The real problem is you can't release a rival franchise a different year because there's 3 Marvel movies EVERY year. When are you supposed to release your movie then, never?
You may be right in saying the film felt rushed with under developed characters but the reason why the main character Hellboy seemed disinterested is because that is his character, his personality trait. It also shows that he's fought monsters before and this would be another strike in the tally so to speak.
@@joetedrick4798 it's not, I dont know why they was thinking they are smart with this folklore pick, but it sounds silly in this part of the world because whatever you write yaga\yega , baba is always mean woman there.:/ baba yaga\yega is old witch who live in small hut with legs in the woods and eat people not a guy who shoot Russians to entertain Americans :)
@@1010ZZZ1010 John Wick's Baba Yaga reference makes sense because it's a Russian that calls him that. It would be the same if an American gangster would've called him the Boogey Man. They are the same characters in essence; a supernatural creature that instills fear and/or abducts and consumes humans.
This type of character is the classic " He´s too cool to care, and doesnt need anyone or anything" And gets dragged around against his will, cos everyone needs him, cos, you know he is so cool. This type is used sometimes in movies, but i agree, boring character
Not really lmao. Don’t get me wrong Del Toros duology is good, but just because it’s a reboot doesn’t mean that it is going to suck automatically. The first two Hellboy movies aren’t even comic accurate adaptions of Hellboy. This movie failed because of studio interference. It could have easily succeeded.
They also decided to make Hellboy look like a crack addict in this one. David Harbour couldn't act through the makeup, because it was poorly made, compared to the original movies.
I thought Hellboy was fun to watch, even though it was a poorly written mess. There was nothing good about Justice League, boring the whole way through.
I found it really interesting how you compared two movies that I would’ve never think of being similar in any way, but you made it extremely well, with very interesting points. You almost lost me at the beginning, but I was glad I stayed for the rest of the video
I just podcasted with the original hellboy and I asked him about this movie. He said he didn’t watch it but after we were off air my cohost said that he actually hated the movie but never wanted to say anything because he would rant on all episode
"So theres this evil manbearpig" Omfg, I had to pause to get that laughter out so I could hear you. That joke was fried gold mate! Now I'll wipe the tears from my eyes and keep watching 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The original hell boy had alot of things you mentioned here in relation to infinity wars. The prologue is connected with the main cast. The knowledge and connection is from the Father and that he knows who the bad guy is and what his end game is. Although the urgency is not established as in infinity wars, the obstacles are shown by Samael and the nazi ninja. The characters grow and connect/argue. When the old god is summoned the fight is not all that exciting but, it happens at the end of the movie. Showing us that Hell boy was gonna be instrumental in the destruction of the world, yet ultimately fought against his fate. The first hell boy may not be a masterpiece, but it does follow story telling better
Hellboy might have worked as a TV-series. That way they have time to establish factions, characters and the lore of the universe.
Johan Nybäck that’s a PERFECT idea
Johan Nybäck kinda like a cooler version of Supernatural
Yep but like on Amazon or Netflix or hbo
Johan Nybäck yeah when those hellboy animated films were out I thought they were from a tv show but I was wrong. I would gladly accept that only if Ron Pearlman comes back as Hellboy.
TV shows are way better than movies because they have time to develop the characters and the world and show us plenty of different fun, interesting and cool things before the end so its annoying to me that movies get so much more love and attention.
The only thing movies can do better is special effects and animation but thats only because they get more money.
its kinda funny how big they went with this movie because in the comics the stories were always smaller contained events with a handful of people
Obviously, you never read Dark Horse's Hellboy - The Fury series.
@@aiden_macleod haven't gotten there yet :)
@@Mojomanultra it pretty much follows the comic's storyline. I can give you a link to the. cbr?
@Dark Legionnaire ... Bruh
@@aiden_macleod Yeah,but The storm and the fury was near the climax of Hellboy's journey as a character.Seed of Destruction,Wake the Devil and Conqueror Worn were stories which,although pivotal to Hellboy's universe,never got too ambitious.
This movie on the other hand...
Imagine being the clerk selling batteries to Thanos
Hey I need batteries for my universe killing weapon
That will be $20 sir
Prince Thunder Spark that clerk must have given up on life.
If I was that clerk, I would be like,”Can I have your autograph?!”
@@thunderspark1536 Would you like the rechargables its just another $6 dolars please be kind to the enviroment sir resources are not unlimited!
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Thanos(twitch) ... I know...
Intresting comparaison, but I think that the first Hellboy by Guillermo Deltoro is of course more close to this thing. Not only for the franchise, but for the quest to stop a evil villain and find apocalyptic artefact before it's too late, and introduce a all cast and universe. And the first Hellboy did a good job despite limited budget and ambition. This movie wasted his potentiel because he wanted to be the new deadpool.
@@fredriksvard2603 "Jack Nicholsons Batman" lol no shit you are 10000 miles away from the target demographic
@@fredriksvard2603 ure objectively wrong lol. How many movies did you watch? 5? I bet more than half of the movies you saw are objectively worse than infinity war
@@fredriksvard2603 there is. Thats why infnity war is so prised and highly rated, because it is objectively a great movie
@@itsgonnabeokay9341 I love Infinity War as much as the next guy, but it's not objective. It's subjective, even when masses enjoy something, or critics enjoy something, or film makers enjoy something - it would still be subjective. It's not quantifiable - and it's still based upon opinions, even when those opinions would be based upon facts, traits or tropes.
@@ChristianSandviknes no it is objective. You cant just say the best movie in the history of cinema is "bad" because hey its my opinion I can say whatever I want. No, it doesnt work like that. You can hate it but it doesnt mean youre right and it doesnt mean that the movie is bad.
"We're almost done on editing Hellboy"
"OK, you better be, the movie comes out next week"
"...Movie?"
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Hellboy fans: "We want another movie based on the first two and with Ron Perlman!"
A still in shape Ron: "I'm ready, willing and able!"
Hollywood: "Here's a reboot that's totally unconnected to the original with an all new cast!"
Yeah I don't know if the mystery of why this flopped will ever be solved...
No offence but I'm sure not all the original cast could come back and it would have been ridiculous to have not made he story directly after the second movie but the cast would have aged quite a bit for the film to have taken place right after the second film an you cant just replace old actors like nothing so it would have made sense to do a rebute
@@nubetube2443 Why would the third movie have to be directly after the second? What's wrong with a 10 year time skip?
@@denisl2760 I would love to see a group of Old superheroes in just barely alive doing all kind of crazy shit, hmmzz lets make it
@@charilex I love movies like Red, they humanize their characters so much.
@@nubetube2443 the only reason it wasnt del toro was because the studios didnt want to give him the budget he wanted.
Ron Perlman's Hellboy had way more charisma.
"I'm fireproof, and you're not." *lights cigar with flaming hand*
Then makes a mistake later when he flinches at being burnt. LOL
@@Phaota then flaming girlfriend blows up whole room of samael and he hugs her lol
@@Phaota He can still feel the pain, but it doesn't harm his skin. At least that's my theory.
@@Phaota Except he gets burnt on his normal hand and the hand that is on fire is his stone hand.
That’s writing, not acting. They wrote his character more charismatically.
Hellboy: can we have relatable stakes?
Me: this man is a legend
Hammer Addiction4u David Harbour did a fine job in my opinion
Hammer Addiction4u what does it mean to be a legend
Hollywood: I'm gonna end this franchise's whole career
@@simplyme9787 In my opinion (steering away from the factual aspects): a legend is anything that is astounding or epic; shared stories and shared words; people; places; things, etc. Anything can be legendary, even if the story or the words attached are hypothetically invaluable.
The individuals who remember or cherish the person(s), places or things: are the people that are subconsciously, and gradually granting legends (in my opinion).
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Failure #1: Hellboy was not Ron Pearlman. Failure #2: Not related to Shape of Water. Failure #3: Was not Hellboy III
I guess we wont see that fish boi
4. wasnt directed by Guillermo Del Toro
Pearlman was awesome. This reboot is awful.
The name del toro was not in the credits.
just because the specific person you wanted to play the role didn't get the role doesn't mean it's automatically a flop. If anything, it just proves you and many other's(Obviously, from all the likes) are pretty narrow minded and unwilling to accept any sort of change. I can say with full confidence that you and many other's already made up your minds on exactly how you felt about the movie, before *actually* *seeing* *it*
Ron Perlman is great, but I'm not so petty to think Ron is the only person who can play Hellboy ever. It's misguided, unjustified and very petty logic.
The moving the deadline thing really sounds like playing DnD with a GM who REALLY doesn't want to kill off the party's characters no matter how badly they roll...
Kill kill kill! 👹
Indeed
In all honesty, Hellboy is generally a passive hero. He doesn't WANT to do much, his hand and his lineage keep dragging him into conflict, but he doesn't really want or drive plots himself until the end of the comic.
that's why it would have worked better as tv series
Yes, but Filmento has a point: when you have a character that is more of a passive disinterested type, you still need to come up with story/plot mechanisms to get him to be involved in the plot. For example in the first two movies, even though Hellboy was the passive disinterested hero, there was still a stronger sense of him taking action in the plot.
and it made sense in the comics, but the movie is a jumbled mess of cut and pasted comic story arcs that it doesn't work
Yes but here is the deal: Hellboy needs a character arc (example: in first movie he is a childish adult, but at the end he learns what is to become an adult) see? Those simple traits with a polished script could have turned this movie into a decent reboot
@@RudolfJvVuuren and he was more likable
I didn't hate the movie but woooo boi it feels like a 5 part mini series crammed into one and I am missing episodes 2 and 4 lmao
Thank God I Wasn't The Only one!
right tone was all over like it missing parts lols
According to some other people, the Blood Queen lady is a character that was only brought up way later in the comics and probably definitely shouldn’t have been the big bad of the new reboot
@@aliahpersonous2893 ya blood queen was a more latter villain but Rasputin had already been done with other hellboys So it was either a rehash or do her cause u cant rlly do any of his demon villains like his uncle or father etc right off the bat. But she wasnt even the issue. It was the tone. and thin ass story and etc
Pretty sure that is just a summary of the books as well. (book compilations of the comics)
Spoiler alert, the first book starts out with the Professor dying before it is even stated he is basically Hellboy's dad.
Even after knowing the Professor was Hellboy's dad(from movies) I wasn't fully sure who just died until people said that they where close and I put two and two together.
Lots of the comics are just throwing pieces together and everyone in universe knows what is going on but the reader kind of has to figure it out.
Still really like the series, just get use to the feeling of not knowing anything that is going on until much later.
They should've just let Guillermo Del Toro continue his Hellboy series
Ahhh, if only. I still have a sliver of hope he might come back to the franchise one day. I know it will most likely never happen, but a small part of me has hope still 😂
@@codyt821 It's possible. Given how Ghostbusters: Afterlife is coming out later this month, it's possible for a franchise to return after a terrible reboot.
Exactly
Those are great movies, I remember watching the golden army for years before I watched the first
Del toro: Hm is wanna make 3 movies about hellboy and have intriguing characters and moments
Hollywood: two hours take it or leave it
Del toro: I already have two-
Hollywood: reeboot
Fuck lol
And those executives and directors are still detached from reality and don’t know what fans want.
They only care about money, if killing people made them more money than making movies, they’d be doing that.
The scene where Hellboy meets Baba Yaga I though was a lot more interesting than the whole movie. It should have just been about that: Hellboy and the occult anf folklore. The set piece of Baba Yaga's home and the practical makeup effects were incredible, and the scene had a nice tone to it. To bad it was coupled with the mess that was the rest of the movie
Hell boy is a good character but Hollywood always ruins everything
Fox's Apprentice
Fans: you can’t possibly ruin more beloved franchises
Hollywood: *observe*
Makes no sense, Hollywood is the one making amazing movies . Wasn't A:IW made by Hollywood as well??? Wasn't first 2 Hellboy movies made by Hollywood as well ????
Hollywood doesn't call the shots, it's the studios that do. Saying that would be the equivalent to game publishers like Activision "making" the games when in reality, its the development team of Treyarch/Infinity Ward that actually creates them.
@Vladimir AdidasBad example. Whay with how much Activision execs have been butting in on the development and mucking things up.
@@TheAkashicTraveller wait really? Shit I didnt know man. That was the only one i could think of. Didn't know they would stoop THAT low, but anything can happen nowadays.
But i still stand with what i was trying to say. Hollywood itself doesn't call the shots.
This movie tried to condense like a dozen of different storylines of the comics into one movie, yeah the moment I understood that I knew this movie was going to fail
The moment I heard that "The storm and the fury" a chapter that is practically in the final part of Hellboy and leads to the last phase of his arc was put into the first movie, I knew it was hot garbage. Then I saw the new design and that pretty much sealed it.
It also reminds me of BvS where it tried to tell many plots into one movie only to fail at it.
I think the best moment was the 3 seconds where you saw Karl Kroenen during the nazi scene. Shame that they didn't use such a great villain
@@Conan-Le-Cimmerien He was seemingly more comic accurate - a gas mask wearing germophobe as opposed to a knife wielding assassin. Sadly comic accurate doesn't automatically translate into good movie.
Infinity War: That’s my secret Hellboy, I’m always inevitable.
What?
Andrew Devine he used hulk line in the first avengers movie
@@andrewdevine3920 smh 🤦 🤦🤦🤦
@@andrewdevine3920 come on man you gotta know that
@@Mrforever34 well i saw that film, and i understand the reference, but, wow, jokes have gone downhill since my day.
Hellboy killing his own friend in the ring reminds me of Bender from Futurama killing his Chef mentor claming he'll defeat Chef Elzar to avenge him, in which Elzar is like
"O-okay, but it sounds like, it was *you* who killed him though"
13:39 "...when his dad explains that the pig is after the witches' body parts."
That, right there, is the best sentence to take out of context since "the angels have taken the phone booth."
"Mom can we get Infinity War?"
"No we have Infinity War at home."
At home: Hellboy
Okay amazing comment I actually laughed 😂 thank you
Ok... That was hilarious. 🤣👍
😁😁
@Dark Legionnaire kinda a issue though, you are assuming that if something draws inspiration from something else that it is copying/plagiarizing it, however if we were going by that logic then almost anything and everything that is a better version of the previous version is a copy. I am not trying to defend it or anything, but it is good to note, also, companies thrive on competition, it is what makes them work harder and harder on their product. The star wars marvel comics for instance are currently in a decline as asides from there not being any actual competition for the comics, they are actually lazy, paying no attention to detail and cutting every corner they can by actually tracing lines of other people's works and even models which if you end up watching some of the more star wars related channels like Echkardsladder and such, they point out that one of the comic scene actually has ships drawn with the model stilts on them.
Asides from that, I would like to point out that though hellboy is true to source at times, it is also good to note that hellboy also is part of dark horse comics, it shares the same space with other series like The Mask, 300, and R.I.P.D. just to name a few which were also adapted into movies, not to mention that dark horse comics also undertook the process of making comics for already existing films, ironically including once the star wars comics before they became a Disney property. By this point, it is safe to point out that while yes, Marvel has probably used some ideas from hellboy and other dark horse comics before, it is also good to point out that while most dark horse comics RARELY cross over with each other, Marvel has a comic universe like DC in which anything that happens in one comics may or may not affect others depending on story.
Yes, this was wrong and I do not expect you to read it all or to agree with me, just thought I would bring up information that may get you interested in doing research like I did to come to a more educated conclusion, regardless of it either being positive or negative towards either hellboy(dark horse comics) or Marvel Comics.
@Dark Legionnaire yeah, I get where ya coming from on your points now, just a little misunderstanding at the start there, but yeah, the fact that someone has to compare a movie with another, more popular movie at the same is something which does make me wonder what the point is, though I will admit that there was a bit of a point with the constantly changing focus, the older hellboy movies held up because we did have a actual clear goal, as for this one, as far as I can tell no one really knows what is going on until it is pretty much too late, and then the fact that she switches from using a plague to kill everyone to using hellboy himself for it just does not sit well with me.
All that aside, I would just like more honest reviews with people's personal opinions that do not compared it to [insert current best movie title of the time here], because it is honestly getting boring, like you said hellboy is more a detective fantasy type deal, where as marvel is more about all the things going on, from the simplest of joke characters like squirl girl to the biggest of figures like the celestials and the stones (which I am pissed about in the movies still because one, you cannot destroy a single infinity stone without destroying the rest which cause of end of the universe scenario, and two that the celestials are more powerful than entities like galactus) and will include anything from the simplest of criminals all the way up to the most magical of heros, there is no real comparison, infact the only way you can compare hellboy with any other comic books is in DC, not Marvel, due to the character of Constantine since he is pretty much the only other fantasy/magic related character in either DC or Marvel that is pretty much a detective, and even then he is not even a demon of any kind, there is literally NO ONE ELSE I can think of to compare to with hellboy in DC, Marvel, or any others.
Sooo...
Changing the plot, changing the goal, changing the deadline and failing in the end.
Well, sounds like Brexit to me.
It’s a bad plot lol
Un Christianice selvatico
@@StoriesByDighe The story is pretty good in the comics. But they had lot of time flushing out the characters, motivations etc. For example, the witch used to be an extremely educated queen, and the man-bear-pig was in unrequited love with her. There is a whole arc about it. Then king Arthur and his knights have a whole arc. Hellboy was indeed uninterested protagonist in large part, because he was depressed (because prof. Broom dies at the start of the comics). The movie just crammed it all together and hoped it would work.
Underrated comment spoken exactly with truth.
Yep
Whats dumb is, when Helboy works best in the comic, its when he's all alone with just his gun going down into a dark dungeon/basement/crypt/subway to face some gigantic entity. No charecters no plot.
His shilohette moving from pilar to pillar. Like Deckard in blade runner. A killer on a mission.
A damn fine observation.
Unless if it's this:
th-cam.com/video/b5iWgtcyxO4/w-d-xo.html
"Don't mess with me lady I've been drinking with skeletons."
that doesnt work in a film though and even the comics are just him fighting gigantic entities lol
"Uh, they're from space... they're here to steal a necklace from a.. wizard."
That's probably my favorite line in any movie ever.
6 separate corpse parts? What is this, Steel Ball Run? Did the producers read Jojo or something?
Was that a Persona reference?
SBR was awesome, the ending was fanboy-pleasing retarded but allows the continuation of the next part. I don't think this movie would get a sequel.
Castlevania II: Simon's Quest
If they really had read SBR maybe the movie would've ended up great...
I want an SBR movie
This was not the superhero movie we needed.
Or wanted.
Or deserved.
Or asked for.
Or even went to see.
We need Del Toro and Pearlman back.
>Hellboy
>A superhero
That's the thing Hellboy isn't a superhero imo. And his comicbooks aren't superhero oriented. Why they try to market it as such is beyond me.
Yeah because of fan boy groupies like you who only go see movies if they are the hot new thing
@@ulysses9285 I'm not a "fan boy groupie", I go to see movies that look good and get good reviews, and this looked like shit and got shit reviews so I skipped it.
Hellboy isn't really a motivated character since in the comics he is supposed to be this sarcastic downer of a character who's always drinking his sorrows away and acts apathetic towards everything. Most of the time he does something because there's nothing better to do, and simply because it's his job. This wouldn't be a problem if they simply chose one or two locations for him to investigate for this movie but like you said the setting keeps changing every scene when some can honestly have been the focus in one movie. The biggest problem the movie has is that it tried playing all its cards at once in an attempt to satisfy people who wanted Hellboy 3, bringing about the plotline in which Hellboy actually starts Armageddon.
The creators of this movie forgot to be patient and plan better. Also I liked how in the comics hellboy is known by the world. I think the first two movies were secretive because they took some inspiration from men in black.
In fairness, he only becomes a despairing, alcoholic sadsack *after* he quits the Bureau. Chiefly due to disillusionment with them, but also discovering just *how big* his cosmic significance is. Before then, I find he's pretty motivated. Certainly as a protector of humanity and especially active in discovering his origins, starting with his Right Hand. He's sardonic, sure, but there's a heart there. The apathy only really kicks in in *the Storm and the Fury.* Even then, once he's realised he's drunk himself into a stupor over the past 6 years, he quits.
Yes but in the previous movies he was more involved in the plot. There was always something that appealed to his personality type to get him involved.
People: We're satisfied with Del Toro's Hellboy kthxbye
Hollywood: Lets reboot Hellboy but let the marketing team write and direct it!
Marketing: Super easy barely an inconvenience.
lol, nice one :)
Marketing: let's come up with a slogan!
10,000 years later
Marketing: come on guys, lets come up with a slogan!
Wolverine, sorry i thought you said a Logan.
Ok i think hellboy does deserve a reboot but they just need to take it slower
when hellboy turns evil
-2019 long shallow speech about how it's not him
-first movie "remember who you are" and remembers his dead father
I think I know the best one
Everything you said is what makes the OG Guillermo del Toro's Hellboy movies so memorable
To be fair, Hellboy does not have a clear goal as a character in the comics. He is a blue collar type of guy who does his job, and really want no part of his own grand demonic destiny. That is why he cuts off his horns. He rejects the world altering plot he is in to the point of taking a buzz saw to his face.
How you would translate that to a traditional Hollywood movie, I have no idea.
Hollywood: Comedy
do you know why the character work on the comics ?
You set up a mission that he gets assigned to in the first act, then he learns about something that motivates him to stop it for the 2nd and 3rd acts (kinda like Iron Man 1). This version just had him getting sent place to place without him caring for the entire film.
But Guillermo del Toro did a great job with his Hellboy movies, it stinks to see Mike Mignola having some passive aggressive dislike to Guillermo's Hellboy vision, and now when he had more control in the reboot it sucks ball.
@@theflashgordon193 The big factor is probably just time. A long-running comic series can afford to take an episodic approach to its plot and the development of its cast. Do things at its own pace, introduce characters in their normal status quo, have sequences of simple introspection, etc. And then, once we are engrossed in the world and characters, that's where The Big Plot can happen and be the climax to everything we've seen. In a way, that's also the approach the MCU took, and it took a long-ass time and a crapton of movies.
A single film doesn't have the time to do that.
Hellboy isn't infinity war gone wrong. Justice League is infinity war gone wrong.
Hellboy is just Justice League gone wrong
And that's f*cking saying something
Justice league came out before infinity war
Infinity war was being worked on way before JL even started. JL only came out a couple months before anyways
Justice League is Avengers 1 done wrong.
No justice league is avenger 1 gone wrong
Boy, it sure helps establish how intimidating your villain is when you see her lying around in pieces like Mr. Potato Head, doesn't it?
The worst part was when the knight puts her head in the box. You can't have your villain proclaim she's unstoppable and seconds later have her scream her tits off.
You just turned your villain into a horror victim.
Don't you get it? It's quirky. It's ironic. It subverts expectations.
I was never a fan of villains who start off already "dead" or "defeated/sealed", there are exceptions but most of them just show how easy they were able to be taken out by people before our hero.
Watching this it reminded me a lot of The Mummy, and how amazing of a movie that was and how botched this was in comparison.
It did the dead villain returning so well.
@@michaelclarkj the Fraser movies, right? Sadly I always think of the Dark universe version....
one thing that pissed me off was the intro, in theater it makes her out to just straight up be evil, but in the other version they did, she was sympathetic and you could understand her wanting to protect magical kind but was willing for peace, but gets betrayed by man and her own. I don't think they even knew what they wanted from the movie.
The movie would’ve been much better if it had a few changes:
-Kill off Hellboy’s friend in the middle of the movie, by one of the 2 antagonists. That way, everything is personal and maybe hellboy feels hopeless against such a threat.
-there are good ways to have a depressed hero and hellboy would’ve been a great if the reason behind his depression was more profound.
-hellboy should’ve beaten the pig man near the end of the movie to demonstrate he is now driven and how he’s gotten better.
-maybe lighten up on flashbacks. If there are too many flash backs of a person’s origin, you have too many non important characters which could be remedied by giving them love in another movie(ie don’t put all of you eggs in one basket. Maybe save some for later so the characters could be more fleshed out and be given clear personality/character development).
Something I did like about his personality in the movie is that he kinda acts vaguely like a teenager, which I guess makes sense. That’s something I don’t see a lot in hero movies and lends credence to the Guillermo Del toro movies. And the movie was a stupid fun movie where you’d have to turn your brain off to enjoy it and I’m not going to lie, that’s kinda nice.
I know nothing about movie making and I haven’t read the hellboy series(I read a few volumes as a kid but that’s basically it) so maybe I’m completely wrong. I enjoyed the movie, but hey, can enjoy some mega trash movies, as long as their fun. I just would like it if studios stopped trying to copy the MCU and try a cinematic universe in an original way.
Thank you for attending my ted talk that you will probably never read.
I read it. And enjoyed it.
Precisely everything you mentioned was already done on the OG 2004's Hellboy movie (Guillermo del Toro and Ron Perlman rocks)
@@charlespuruncajas9663 Number 1 way to fix this movie: make it Hellboy 3, sequel to the two previous movies in which all of this was already established, making the necessary room to try to establish all the new stuff.
Hollywood: Wanna watch a Hellboy movie without Ron Per...
Me: No
Harbour's performance was legit, seriously.
@Glen Richardson yea he was undoubfully one of the better parts of the film but a lack of strong writing really killed it for me
@@glenrichardson8266 Harbour is a good actor no doubt but his Hellboy characterization was not great. Hellboy felt like a Looser trying to be someone great. He didn't carry the confidence into his actions. Actually, half the time he didn't know what was happening.
@@JayanandSupali Hellboy often acts like a teenager who is unsure of himself. Rebellious against authority and quick to sarcasm.
The creator of the Hellboy comics, Mike Mignola had issues with Del Toro's Hellboy movies, so that may have something to do with it.
this also reminds me of another movie
"The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen"
Remember, this is the very last film of Sean Connery. He refused to play old men that didn't get the girl.
@@TheZapan99 Funny cuz in The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen comics Allan Quatermain gets the girl (Mina) but not in the movie
I'd submitt the first iron man as best first act in the MCU
Um... Have you not seen guardians of the galaxy's first act?!?!
Yeah, because iron man basically is the first act of the MCU
BASIL!!!!! Βασίλειος Absolutely not. Batman thrived in realism, Iron Man never pretended to be realistic. One was about a man owning his fears and weaponizing them against criminals, the other was about an actual villain realizing the damage he does in the world and using his skills and knowledge to rectify his sins. Bruce Wayne became Batman voluntarily so that his tragedies wouldn’t be inflicted on other people, while Tony Stark was forced into becoming Iron Man and then used him to fix his wrongs. Other than the fact the two movies feature a billionaire who uses his mind and money to become a superhero, (one of which remains an anonymous vigilante while the other publicly announces his identity to the world) the movies have nothing in common, and I dare you to prove otherwise. Μη μας κάνεις να φαινόμαστε σα ζώα μπροστά στον κόσμο, πατριώτη!
Thor: Ragnarok for the win in my opinion.
@@alexman378 Tony Stark was not forced to become Iron Man what are you talking about? He was ordered to make more weapons, which he refused to do even under threat of death. He fully committed himself to becoming Iron Man on his own and fix the problems he caused. Very similar to Batman refusing to destroy Gotham after he finished his training with Ra's al Ghul. They both could have taken the evil path, but fought their way out of it. They then go fighting crime, fixing problems, fleeing from the government, and end with their climactic fight against the main villain, with somewhat realistic stakes. The main difference between the two is Batman and Bruce Wayne are separate parts of one man's identity, while Tony Stark and Iron Man are wholly the same in all aspects, but both are acceptable and identifying aspects of each character.
It always saddens me to see Harbour's performance lost in this movie. Taking Hellboy's mantel after Ron's superb interpretation needs some pretty sturdy balls, and he was so into it that I can really see how he put all his soul into his role, he made such a good job working with what he was given, plus i just love his more gritty down to earth look that really contrasts with the "fantasy" like approach of Del Toro's, I think both of these interpretations of the character are great.
"...where no one will ever find her"
found her
Why don't they ever seal the "must never be found" item in a steel chest, filled and encased in concrete, and drop in into the Mariana Trench?
@@notahotshot Concrete existed in that period? And forget the Trench, another dimension of incognisvy horrors could do the trick
06:49 - Real life dark souls
07:59 - German n-words
My sides status: obliterated
BROTHER!!!
Its kinda funny how we can't even talk about historical events anymore for fear of censorship. German n-words lol.
Actually I take it back, its actually not funny at all, this shit is pissing me off.
A guy names himself Snake Plissken and he say's N-word what a world what a world.
Just say Nazi's ... Dont let that shit slide.
If i said My grandad and his peers fought and died fighting n-words ... He'd kick my arse.
@@denisl2760 Mostly because the right gets pissy when someone says Nazi now.
Alexander what does the right have to do with this? TH-cam is a lefty safe haven and “Nazi” is “hate speech” therefore it is a banned word that can get you demonetized. It’s the left that causes this, see what has happened in Canada with speech...this has nothing to do with the right.
Hellboy: I have experience
Infinity war: you call failure experience?
Hellboy: Well, The Last Jedi taught me failure is the greatest teacher! =D
Oscar Wilde: Experience is simply the name we give our mistakes.
disney: I consider $$$ experience
Justice League suffered the same problem, People thought Cyborg was a Terminator (red eye)
Gotta admit, the Fight scenes While over the top sometimes was pretty fun to watch unless you're squemish
From a structural perspective, *you nailed the problem down perfectly.* I honestly can't add more to that. Bravo. 👍
Speaking as a Hellboy fan (primarily of the comics, but also Del Toro's movies), I think the other big problem is the insane amount of stuff lifted straight from the comics and plopped in the movie as *meaningless fan service.* The Pig Monster, Baba Yaga, Rasputin, the Natsos, Baby Hellboy, Lobster Johnson, the resurrected Corpse, all can been seen in this video alone. I'm surprised the frog monsters from *Seed of Destruction* didn't show up.
It's just butchered references Frankensteined together screaming "HEY LOOK AT ME! WE UNDERSTOOD THE CONCEPT OF THIS! HUH? RIGHT? END ME NOW, PLEASE?"
When I heard that they was making a Hellboy reboot I was ACTUALLY excited. I thought it was gonna be a Dark superhero horror story witch (IMO) Sounded AWESOME! It was even directed by the guy who made The Descent witch is one of the few horror movies to actually make me feel scared. Cool right?right? *RIGHT?*
Then the trailer came out. I Instantly knew this was gonna be a dumpster fire. Havnt been this dissapointed in a long time
David Harbour was awesome as Hellboy though. Sad he wasn't in a better movie
He should have a Netflix series. The comics stories are quite short on their own and there's really not that much action.
The movie has its ups and downs but overall its poorly edited and Ian MacShane was totally Miscast as Professor Bruttonholm
harbour was shit as hellboy
"Anatomy of a failure"
The name of my autopsy video
Title of my eulogy
That’s a self burn! Those are rare!
lmao don't say that
Lame
The more you look at it, the more you realize just how genius and brilliant the plot structure of Infinity War is.
What a crazy world.
It's not, it's just the other movies sucks and make infinity war looks good.
@@KABLAMMATS biased
your comment about the battery powered infinity gauntlet almost made me spit out my fries
I have always found that a bad idea with good execution can be a great film, but an idea with a great idea but bad execution will always be bad
Also if we're going to talk about the original films, they focus more on the characters they had instead of cramming all this crazy stuff in there
I am no sure why they rebooted the franchise. Surely this story could have worked as a Hellboy 3?
The Comic Creator was upset that Del Toro altered the story to better fit a movie format and told del toro he wont touch his IP again.
@@GaymerGuy89 huh, well if THIS is a Hellboy more accurate to the comics then maybe alterations are necessary (by the way, this movie isn’t accurate to the comics either, everyone fucked up big time).
This is literally JoJo: The bad guy wants to collect the corpse parts (part 7) and when the bad guy gets that done they have to wait for the full moon or something .(part 6)
Bruhhhhh lmao
The first thing that a writers need to learn is that in the first pages we are making promises to the readers. They will give us our time, and we will give them a story with this tone, this plot, this stakes, etc.
There are very few books that break the promises and are still good and well regarded.
Most of the time, changed promises are more like addition on top of the previous one, but almost never a whole change or a downgrade.
I think that this movie suffered from not understanding the promises that it was making and breaking them unknowingly.
Filmento: German n-words
Me: they’re clearly white... oh Nazis haha
In Germany you can be jailed for saying Nazi, I’d rather say it in a country with free speech
@@davidmayes2948 Let me guess, a 'Murican having a panic attack at the idea of crossing a border?
@@scorpixel1866 Considering that kid in the Uk who was arrested, he has a point.
It can't be said on youtube because all the money will go away
Right?! First time ever I've heard "N-word" used to refer to members of the NDSAP.
“Man bear pig”
Any South Park lovers?
Was looking for this comment
Nelson Tate super cereal
It's REAL i'm super cereal about it.It's half man, half bear, half pig.
Sorry but I’m a Simpsons fan
Al Gore did warn us about him
Okay but what IF the infinity gauntlet needed batteries?
Then the Avengers will chase after Thanos and marvel make sequel after that make bs prequel and more Avengers movie for 12 years old . Lol
Then Stark would buy Duracell and destroy all it's plants
okay but.... what if that is why what happened to Tony happened at all.
It took up all of his battery...
If he didn't get the surgery at the end of 3 he might have made it.(since the arc reactor could power his body a few hundred times over)
Well...technically the Power Stone is the battery...so Thanos got that first.
If he needed another battery...he'd probably just be out to rip Stark's arc reactor off his chest.
@@Yun_K.M edgy
Infinity War - find stones.
Hellboy (2019) - find body parts.
Me: I see why it's an understatement...
Why are these movies so dark?? I thought my phone settings were on low but they're at max brightness.
Am i the only one who sees Hellboy's face and immediately thinks of a melting action figure? I mean... look at him! The make up in the first two is infinitely better!
How to not fail against infinity war:
Don't release a potential franchise that rivals another kind on the same year.
It is not released at the same year
It was released near Captain Marvel and Endgame. The real problem is you can't release a rival franchise a different year because there's 3 Marvel movies EVERY year. When are you supposed to release your movie then, never?
How about not in the same month...
After all... The hype won't stay up forever..
@@Athanatoi he's talking about endgame
@@Athanatoi he said how to not fail against infinity war but he never said infinity was was the rival franchise from the same year
Hellboy: we made the worst remake of the year!
Lion King: HOLD MY BEER!
Hellboy is a reboot
@@Almighty_Mage that's if you consider this a movie which i dont xD the Hellboy Blood and Iron was a better movie and it was a cartoon lol
to be honest i liked lion king remake a lot better then hellboy remake and im a hellboy truillogy fan myself
Except Lion King made $1.6 billion
at least lion king gets money
Hey, Can you make a video on comedy movies?
Edgar Wright movies in particular.
Hot Fuzz or Scott Pilgrim?
Shaun of the Dead or Baby Driver?
Scott Pilgrim is underrated. At least, I think it is/was. I don't remember the reception but I saw it way past release date. I loved it.
@@fifthof9501 I'm not saying it's overrated, but by no means is it underrated.
A channel called Movies with Mikey has covered those films, if you're interested. He's a huge fan of them.
Don't know if baby driver is a comedy
@@Bluargh02 Acting - Comedy
Just like Hot Fuzz
You may be right in saying the film felt rushed with under developed characters but the reason why the main character Hellboy seemed disinterested is because that is his character, his personality trait. It also shows that he's fought monsters before and this would be another strike in the tally so to speak.
And out of nowhere this song pops in my head : *you know i feel glad when you're glad and i feel sad when you're sad*
Now my day is complete, *filmento* has uploaded *quality* stuff as usual.
Baba Yaga?? John Wick truly is the boogeyman if he’s going toe to toe with Hellboy
I think there’s a difference between Baba Yaga and Baba Yega, the latter being the boogeyman and the former being a witch of some sort
@@joetedrick4798 it's not, I dont know why they was thinking they are smart with this folklore pick, but it sounds silly in this part of the world because whatever you write yaga\yega , baba is always mean woman there.:/ baba yaga\yega is old witch who live in small hut with legs in the woods and eat people not a guy who shoot Russians to entertain Americans :)
@@1010ZZZ1010 John Wick's Baba Yaga reference makes sense because it's a Russian that calls him that.
It would be the same if an American gangster would've called him the Boogey Man. They are the same characters in essence; a supernatural creature that instills fear and/or abducts and consumes humans.
Liked David Harbour, but the film was a such a mess, they crammed like 6 subplots in 2 h
Ye but what hellboy anything doesn't have 6 subplots in
Plot twist, Hellboy didn't stop the witch and the plague is covid-19
Yes, a plague so deadly it killed 0.003% of the population.
shut up, nerd.
Makes sense.
This type of character is the classic " He´s too cool to care, and doesnt need anyone or anything" And gets dragged around against his will, cos everyone needs him, cos, you know he is so cool. This type is used sometimes in movies, but i agree, boring character
Why this film didn´t work:
1. no Del Toro
2. no Perlman
Not really lmao. Don’t get me wrong Del Toros duology is good, but just because it’s a reboot doesn’t mean that it is going to suck automatically. The first two Hellboy movies aren’t even comic accurate adaptions of Hellboy. This movie failed because of studio interference. It could have easily succeeded.
Those movies are a reboot. The two animated movies are another reboot. This is just the latest.
Harry Willmore
Only live action movies are considered to be reboots
To be honest Del Toro’s Hellboy movies were not so good.
@@JotaP1n LMAO yeah the fuck they were!
Great editing btw. Great editing. Just great.
Yeah yeah yeah
Marvel be like "it took years and cost a fortune, luckily i had both"
Little Batman V Superman nod
Me: If you didn’t like this, then do this very simple thing
Others: watch the Del Toro films?
Me: Well, yeah, but no
*READ THE GOD DANG COMIC*
Saw it opening night. Only 7 others, excluding my 2 friends, Were in the theater with me. and I nearly fell asleep
They also decided to make Hellboy look like a crack addict in this one. David Harbour couldn't act through the makeup, because it was poorly made, compared to the original movies.
Right?!
I enjoyed this movie alot. Didn't ever think it was good, but it was alot of fun for me.
@Hobarth McShane in a good way or a bad way?
I really want to know what you said when you had the robotic voice say "the mind stone" at 12:28
Demonetization
I've never seen better placed ad breaks in a TH-cam video. Big ups!
4:40 oh god that sequence 2 years later still kills me
I loved this hellboy, I just didn’t like the rest of the story and film. Great hellboy tho
Have you heard the good news?
@@bremensims6086
What news lol?
I feel like a lot of these criticisms also work against justice league too
I thought Hellboy was fun to watch, even though it was a poorly written mess. There was nothing good about Justice League, boring the whole way through.
gamewizard I definitely in the top 10 worst movies I’ve ever seen.
@@bravediomedes217 I have seen many saying that it is very entertaining.
Honestly a movie about the real life dark souls in modern setting would be awesome
I found it really interesting how you compared two movies that I would’ve never think of being similar in any way, but you made it extremely well, with very interesting points. You almost lost me at the beginning, but I was glad I stayed for the rest of the video
"Ok, I'd appreciate a prophecy with smaller and more relatable stakes" Really dose sum up the movie.
Hellboy would be great at Cinemasins
About time you made another AOAF! Jeez! Thank you!
Hellboy has amazing lore and there wasn't any build up to the apocalypse so, it's like Infinity war without the past eleven or so movies
It would be like cramming all 30 marvel movies into the first iron man lmao
I knew the movie would suck without all this investigation. How? Simple: No Ron Perlman, no Hellboy!
No Del Toro, no Hellboy!
Hellboy, Hellboy never changes...
I just podcasted with the original hellboy and I asked him about this movie. He said he didn’t watch it but after we were off air my cohost said that he actually hated the movie but never wanted to say anything because he would rant on all episode
"So theres this evil manbearpig"
Omfg, I had to pause to get that laughter out so I could hear you. That joke was fried gold mate! Now I'll wipe the tears from my eyes and keep watching 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
if the main character is not enthusiasm why would audience have?
Saitama : hold my beer...
the difference is that OPM is satire and a subversion of popular manga superhero tropes.
ONE PPPPPPPUUUUUUUNNNNNNNCCCCCCCHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! I saw season 2 and was lit
Season 2 Saitama was kind of lame, especially in that tournament arc.
Well no one is enthusiasm. Although a character should motivated.
The original hell boy had alot of things you mentioned here in relation to infinity wars. The prologue is connected with the main cast. The knowledge and connection is from the Father and that he knows who the bad guy is and what his end game is. Although the urgency is not established as in infinity wars, the obstacles are shown by Samael and the nazi ninja. The characters grow and connect/argue. When the old god is summoned the fight is not all that exciting but, it happens at the end of the movie. Showing us that Hell boy was gonna be instrumental in the destruction of the world, yet ultimately fought against his fate. The first hell boy may not be a masterpiece, but it does follow story telling better
I can't stop thinking that the giant hunting group looks like discount Dark Angels
Keep this way, because all your films explanations are simply enlightening!
I always use to think what infinity war would look like without it's previous movies. I now know about it all thanks to you.
To be fair, David Harbour dit a fine job imo
Would have been pretty funny though if Thanos needed a few aaa batteries to jumpstart the stone
To be really honest no one even wanted to watch this reboot at first place. Then Hellboy looks like malnutritioned boy. Moreover it's not Ron Perlman.
and no del Torro and no liz romance no abe sappiens no kroenen and barely Rasputin. It was Always doomed
Very well done essay. Keep up the great work.
It’s interesting how in the Ron Perlman version every situation Hellboy found himself in he CHOSE to get into. That was the theme of the film!