Born and raised as a Mormon and stopped going to the church ever since I left to go to college (2017). When I was in high school “something” told me that I needed to seek another church. Long story short 6 years and baptized as a Christian later , god revealed to me his marvelous plan. That “something” was the Holy Spirit and it was a 6 year journey to get saved. God placed specific people in my life for this reason. My family is still Mormon, majority of my friends are Mormon I pray for them.
What I like about The Perrys: 1) Ya'll are hilarious! 2) Ya'll are well-studied ("be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.", II Timothy 2:15) 3) Ya'll are wise ("he who wins souls is wise, Prov. 11:30b) I am inspired 💗
Extrovert here 🙋🏽♀️ My introverted husband literally asked me one time “are you uncomfortable with silence?” 😂😅 That one question taught me so much about myself & my insecurities. God has been teaching me the value of stillness & silence since then. 🙏🏽 Oh, and because hubby loves me he helps me out a lot in this. When we’re at a dinner table and a moment of awkward silence occurs, and he notices me itching to fill the void, he nudges me as if to gesture: it’s ok to let the moment breathe babe 😂😩😩
I love the conversation that Preston had with the Mormon guy because I'm sure many others on that plane were listening to that conversation quietly and a seed was planted. 🤗
Not yall roasting my name and question🤣 but thank yall. I asked this question in Glory Vegas but remember there was no wifi for the phone🤣. Thanks for answering "COUSINS" . YES eden and I as 1st born of 4 natural leaders🙏🏽
Jackie I don’t know if you actually read the comments, but I need to just let you know your content has been such a blessing to me. I was a witch for over a decade. I met Jesus and got saved. Obviously the Word of God is my strength and foundation, however I wanted to let you know that your content helps to strengthen my walk with Jesus. You have a true gift for explaining scripture in an easy to understand way. Thank you for what you do. Sincerely.
When Preston said that the LGBTQ+ question wasnt for him after he said all that bout the mormon rlly shows me how powerful each persons experience and past is important now to help pthers to Christ.
I was a mormon; and when I found out how demonic it was I ran to Jesus of the Bible (Because the Mormon Jesus is not biblical) and How the Lord opened my eyes was amazing! I am so grateful that I have been delivered from religious and Occult spirits. Now I pray for other Mormons could have their eyes open.
Im still a member of the Church please share more about your experience. This is my greatest struggle. I feel that LDS folks follow the same Christ as everyone else. I really want to know how I can see this differently (sincerely)
@@guitocivil4451 First I'd advice you to pray! Pray sincerely, forget everything the church has taught you and ask God to reveal to you the truth. Then read the bible Alone (dont read the BOM whilst you are on this quest), preferably do not read the one you get from the LDS. Begin by reading the book of John, then Mark and Exodus. There are many "foundational" truths that are different to LDS doctrine. Pay attention to God's form and how he interacts with Moses and all the other prophets, then compare that to Joseph Smiths "testimony" of how God appeared to him. Keeping in mind the scriptures that God is not a Man, that he should lie (Numbers 23:19) this scripture alone goes against Mormon Doctrine. I hope this gives you something to start with. Do your own research on the lives of the founders of the LDS church from outside sources, and ask yourself if these men's lives are like those that are in the bible who God interacted with. How many sources outside the LDS church can prove the locations, and decendents of the people the BOM speaks about? There is so much to unravel if you give yourself the right mind to do it. Why doesnt the LDS church encourage independent research? GALATIANS 1:8 says: But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. So the Angel Moroni who preached a different gospel than that of the bible is cursed according to Galations 8:1 @@guitocivil4451
@@ciaarruhh well, technically there’s a lot of Jesus because the name is popular just like Sarah or Jack, but you are right that there’s only one Jesus CHRIST. However, what the person was referring to is that the book of mormon distorts Jesus. What The mormons believe about Jesus is different to what is in the bible, so if you have never been exposed or fully exposed to the bible then you may fall into that trap. ❤️
The fact that y’all pay SO much attention to your children spiritually and naturally is MIND BLOWING!!!! I applaud y’all 👏🏽💙 Especially with what Preston said about his son. Not receiving adequate male affection and affirmation created a desire in me to reach out to men sexually to gain those things. Love y’all!! This is good!!💙💙💙
Being able to just discuss with a random stranger about the gospel is a grace I definitely need to be strengthened in me. We gotta preach this gospel, We really have to.
Love the discussion here on Mormonism. As a former Mormon myself, I think it’s really important to help Christians understand what Mormons believe so that we can better evangelize to them. I have to say that the Mormon you had that conversation with, Preston, gave you some misinformation-likely not intentionally. Most Mormons don’t know their own doctrine or history very well. Myth, folklore, and personal interpretation pervade the LDS community. I learned this first hand on my Mormon mission. Mormon missionaries aren’t just tasked with converting people to Mormonism. They also teach fellow Mormons in the congregation that they’re assigned to. There’s 2 reasons why this is done: 1. to help reactivate less active members of the congregation; 2. to ensure that all members of the congregation understand the fundamentals of the Mormon doctrine. However, in each case, it’s done under the guise that the missionaries are practicing for when they teach non-Mormons. Missionaries go through rigorous training on Mormon doctrine and continue their studies daily-they’re up to snuff on their doctrine. Throughout my mission, I found that many actively practicing Mormons did not know the basics of their doctrine. From what I’ve observed, this is likely due to many hearing the information a handful of times throughout their life, misremembering, not studying their materials critically, and coming to their own conclusions and interpretations. It also doesn’t help that LDS leaders themselves have their own interpretations and doctrines and will disagree with one another. “Today’s revelation is tomorrow’s heresy,” a phrase that is common from ex-Mormons who have observed this fracture in LDS leadership. That being said, I’d like to correct the info that Mormon on the plane gave you. A summary of the misinformation: - The Book of Mormon (BoM) was not translated in a day - The BoM was not claimed to be written by an angel - The reason why Mormons see the BoM as necessary - Why Mormons believe God’s church was lost and needed restoring In going over this, I hope it helps you understand Mormonism better and how to speak God’s word to what Mormons believe. Let’s start with Joseph Smith. Joseph grew up during the second great awakening of Protestantism. It was a period of religious zeal, conversions in the hundreds, and tensions between different denominations. According to what the LDS church teaches, at age 14, Joseph was confused about which church to join. Following the admonition given in James 1:5-6, he went into the woods and asked God to know which church was ‘true’. He claims that God and Jesus appeared to him in a pillar of light to answer his prayer. They told him that none of the denominations were true, that they were an abomination to God, and to join none of them. Some time later, Joseph is visited several times by an angel named Moroni. Moroni told Joseph that there were gold plates buried nearby that contained ‘the fulness of the gospel’. Moroni told Joseph that at the right time, God would use Joseph to translate the plates so that the fulness of the gospel could be restored to the Earth. He then went on to quote several passages of the Bible (out of context) that foretold of this restoration. He also told Joseph that when he received the plates, he was not to show them to anyone. At 17, Moroni lead Joseph to where the gold plates were buried. Joseph retrieved them along with a device called the Urim and Thummim which would allow Joseph to translate the plates. The translation took 3 months. Joseph would sit on one side of a curtain with the plates and the Urim and Thummim and would read the translation aloud. On the other side of the curtain sat his scribe, Oliver Cowdery, who wrote down everything Joseph dictated. During these 3 months, Joseph ‘learned’ about priesthood authority, which is essentially the authority to represent God, act in his name, and lead and administrate his church. Joseph claims that John the Baptist, Peter, James, and John all appeared to him and Oliver. They passed the priesthood authority on to them both, after which Joseph and Oliver baptized each other. Mormons claim that there is an unbroken line of priesthood authority beginning with Adam, passed down to the 12 apostles, passed on to Joseph and Oliver, and passed down to present day Mormons. From here, Joseph had everything he needed to go and ‘restore’ God’s one, true church on Earth. He called 12 apostles to help him lead the church and they ratified him as the modern-day prophet and head of the church. You can read most of what I covered here on the LDS church’s website: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/pgp/js-h/1?lang=eng. This narrative can also be found in the 4th set of scripture Mormons believe in, which is called The Pearl of Great Price. Also, 11 others were allowed to see the gold plates before they were “taken up back to heaven”. There are 2 sets of testimonies from these witnesses in the beginning of each copy of the BoM, found here: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/three?lang=eng and here: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/eight?lang=eng. OK, let’s dig into some of the details I just covered. In order for there to be a ‘restoration’ of God’s church, there had to be a falling away. Joseph taught that once the last apostle of Christ died, the authority to lead God’s church was lost. He goes on to say that the Christians from then on had no authority to teach or lead and that their doctrines and interpretations were corrupt. They refer to the period between the last apostle of Christ and Joseph Smith as The Great Apostasy. Mormons also don’t grasp what’s taught in 1 Cor. 12:12-27 on the different parts of the church that make up the body of Christ. While Christian denominations can accept each other as valid members of the body due to shared core beliefs (the Trinity, the resurrection of Christ and salvation through him, the Bible being God’s word, etc), Mormons believe that a church must have the correct interpretation on all matters in order to be God’s church. Along with that, they believe in the concept of ‘continuing revelation’ wherein God continues to appoint officials on his behalf to reveal his truth and will to the world. Therefore, if that official is on the Earth, then those who follow that official are obeying the Lord. Additionally, Mormons see the Bible as insufficient to know all that God has for us to know. They believe that through its many interpretations over the centuries that the original meanings and truths were lost. This is part of the reason why they see need for the Book of Mormon which they refer to as Another Testament of Christ. The Book of Mormon is asserted to be the scriptures of ancient Israelites that crossed the Atlantic, settled Central and South America, and their history and interactions with God. The BoM is composed of entries from several different prophets from the time of the Tower of Babel, through roughly 400 AD. The second to last prophet in the BoM is named Mormon. He was instructed to compile all of the writings of the prophets before him onto a set of gold plates. This is where the BoM gets its name. Mormon’s son, Moroni (the same Moroni that visited Joseph), finished the compilation after Mormon died and then buried the plates where God instructed him to. You can read the LDS church’s official intro/summary of the BoM here: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/introduction?lang=eng The LDS church asserts that the Book of Mormon is necessary for 2 reasons. 1. it gives a lens through which to properly interpret the Bible, thereby settling the debates between Christian denominations. 2. its authenticity proves that Joseph Smith is an actual prophet of God and further proof that God restored his church through Joseph. I hope this clarifies the details of the Mormon church’s history and what they believe. There’s much more that could be said: other beliefs that have come out of Mormonism, the actual events of what happened with Joseph Smith as opposed to the LDS’s official accounts, and the mountain of evidence that stands against the validity of both the BoM and Joseph Smith’s claim to be a prophet. I’ve been a Christian for 6 years now and explaining Mormonism to Christians is always an endeavor. Their theological language is similar to ours, there’s common misinformation about Mormons in the mainstream, and Mormons themselves are usually not reliable sources for explaining their own beliefs. I hope this has been helpful to you. If you have questions about what I’ve written here or other aspects of Mormonism, I’d be happy to continue a dialogue with y’all!
Awesome! I am LDS also & while listening to Preston’s encounter with this LDS member, I kept saying, no, that’s not really what is taught in the Mormon church. But I did appreciate how respectful Preston was with him. That was so thoughtful. But I also appreciate your response & corrections made in regard to that conversation. I hope more people will take the time to read your response. Thank you!👍❤️🧡💙💚💛💜🩷🩵🤎🤍💕🙏🏼😊
I especially loved the talk about the kiddos... After two years in prison I'm finally getting my daughter back in my life and now that my life is God centered I've definitely been contemplating what this version of motherhood will be like and what new roles I will have. This was very helpful. I am so excited for this long awaited journey to begin.
Jackie's reaction to her husband and the way that he loves their son was the reaction y'all were wanting when Preston praises her face. What a sweet time, thank you for sharing everything you have with us
A leader once mentioned to me that sarcasm is rooted in bitterness. I thought about it and realized it is true. Since then I try to be mindful of avoiding sarcasm.
@@eden6768it depends on if it’s done tastefully and it depends on the relationship you have with someone. This is a podcast with her best friend and husband, the sarcasm is playful and acceptable here.
The way you both speak about your children is beautiful... In terms of how you're taking time to analyse their unique nature's, gifts and abilities, and, prayerfully assisting them in their growth and development.
I love to see it & hear it especially being someone who grew up around adults who didn’t esteem their kids in a positive way & acted like their children are a burden
I really appreciated your expression about how attentive you are toward your children. Jackie the way you identify their sin struggles, as well as their gifts and how they coincide simultaneously with one another…was a delight to hear.
I think silence can also be a trauma thing from childhood. I say this from personal experience because anytime my dad would be upset with me. He wouldn't talk to me. But when he talked to me he talked in great lengths and lectures. So I think that's why some people find silence hard because maybe that was a form of discipline or punishment.
Through the miracle of technology, it is such a *privilege* to be able to get a glimpse into what God did for you two both as individuals but also as a couple and THEN to see how you both steward the gift of parenthood. To go on this (virtual) journey with you and your family has been such a beautiful testimony of what God can do when we make the decision to give him our lives. I remember when you the footage from when you 2 were just dating, and now look! Although I know that you experience trials and trouble like everyone else, please know that your lives are so beautiful, your family an inspiration and we are sooo grateful that you share some of that with us. Both of your teaching gifts are 🔥🔥. KEEP shining!!!🙏🏽❤
I listened to this episode about a week ago, paying particular attention to the LDS conversation. Today, two LDS missionaries stopped at my door, and I was able to have a much more coherent convo than ever before. Ordained timing! Thank you for your Spirit led influence. Blessings!
Wow the way you both beautifully articulated the characteristics/personalities of your Children has helped unlock something in me. I’m most definitely like Sage. I wish this was nurtured in me as a kid, rather than being looked upon negatively as being over sensitive.
Same! I’m extremely sensitive and when I was a kid, I cried a lot or pouted. lol Now it’s rare that I cry because I was made to feel that I’m too emotional or sensitive. My husband accepts my feelings and emotions. So I can unravel in front of him and not feel crazy afterwards.
Same here, but I've learned I have the spiritual gift of empathy. I feel deeply for others can't even watch a commercial w/ out crying sometimes. But this gift isn't talked about much. It annoys people because I can always see others side to why they did something wrong and justify it. But the temptation is to not go through the right process of forgiveness to when someone hurts me. 😊
I loved the last part of this episode because I can identify with Jackie. I’m also very very empathetic. When Jackie spoke about praying for resilience and perseverance for her daughter I felt that. Thank you both for sharing your stories and being transparent. ❤
THESE conversations and questions are so necessary, so on time and so needed! Intentional parenting is beautiful and I love the way you guys just explained how each of your children are different. Praying over your children is a must. Thank ya'll so much for sharing ♥
Mormons came to our house and we read their "testament" and compared verse to verse to the Bible, including the one Preston mentioned. All in love. They were just kids and I hope we were able to plant seeds. They kept coming back until they realized we were trying to convert them and were never going to cave.
I don't like long videos. I like videos of less than 10 minutes. But I listen to this one till the end without being bored for a second. Keep up the good work!
Maybe you should work on your patience. And I understand that most people are not that way at all. And I’m so grateful for their longer videos. Can’t hardly get anything out of even a half an hour.
it’s wonderful to hear you both reflect on your children. To have parents who take the time to know them and with that knowledge guide them to greatness is very beautiful. God bless you
I love this! This really has me interested in learning the proper way to defend our faith. I don't think we as Christians have been properly trained on asking ourselves why we believe what we believe and when approached how to speak those truths in a factual way vs just saying the evidence of tongues or arguing ideas.
Will there be a part 2 to this!? The parenting tips was incredible. Wow. To hear them speak so highly of their children is so impeccable. Need more parents tips.
its otherworldly how the Lord uses the both of you, thank you for your obedience to him - how blessed we are to reap from that. God Bless you both & your family
Aaw I loved when y’all were talking about your children and how Dad comforted baby boy when he got overwhelmed. My husband recently passed and left behind our two boys and I often worry about wether or not I’ll be enough. As a woman I pray to God to strengthen me and help me steer them in the right direction when they may feel overwhelmed in life. God bless y’all and your family. New sub here❤️
Sarafina was shot 5 houses from my mom's house in the 90s. I also love that movie. It makes me happy to know that this South African movie shot in Orlando East Soweto is one of Jackie's favorite movies 😍
Wow!! What a blessing that our identities are not based on what we do, think or feel, but they are based on who created us and the universe!! Amen! That touched me today.
Whew that explanation of leadership was more for me than my child. Observing the situation, discerning the person, and deligating the task based on their nature ✍🏽‼️
I enjoy y'all's interaction so much that I could just listen to y'all talk all day. Thank you for helping my understanding of things and for giving me more ways to make the bible applicable to my life and to those around me. I appreciate you sharing your experiences, your family and your hearts with us. God Bless Always!
My husband does the same to me, compliment me at the most random times and people get on to me because I don’t say omg thank you so much. Like k, we understand us. We’ve been US for quite sometime, 22 years. We get this
I love this, i love hearing Jackie talk about homesexuality it always opens my eyes and gives me content for the next time i have to make such a conversation because we are at a point where the church is confused on this issue and need a whole lot more of wisdom and understanding ❤ thank you two for these podcasts
De’Shayle…that question brought out so much introspection for me in regards to how I am acknowledging and building my children’s spiritual gifts. It took the Perry’s down a beautiful spiral. Thank you!! “God is seeking a Godly scene!”!!!
Thank you Preston and Jackie for sharing your hearts and home with me. I get some laughs, some cries, some disagreements and some teaching every time I watch you. Btw I love your customary greeting, "Hey Saints and Aints."
What Preston said about showing love to their person is beautiful. This is what's missing from most families. Yes, hold him and love him hard. May God bless your family to do awesome things for His kingdom.
I just cried at how beautifully you described your children and the active parenting you do to nurture and guide them through their gifts. I'm Sage, and in her mother's words, "i feel things deeply which makes the degree of my suffering unique," so i will be praying for her to be able to regulate her emotions through her trials as her mama does the same. This was soooooo beautiful
Nephi is a person. The book of Mormon reads like the Bible in the sense that there is a time when Jesus isn't there, then he comes and preaches when he is crucified. The Saints from the LDS church go hard for Christ. I love them. They are some riteous people. So lovely.
People will be people and answer from their own feelings and experiences. I love you guys. And living and having grown up in St. Louis it is always refreshing to hear you two speak so candidly on actual issues. Plus you both are hilarious! So I always view that as an inside joke of love between you two. You don't have to play a game with each other. You allow each other to be who you are. I appreciate that and love you both!
I’m not one of the special members but I really enjoy y’all’s videos so much. I’ve been struggling hard core on “good works” debate and Preston just explained it so clearly in about a minute. 🤦♀️ It seems confusing because Romans is like it ain’t about your good works and then here comes James and he’s like wait a minute you gotta do good works. I’ve been stewing on this for like 3 months now so thank you for explaining so simplistically. God used the side note for me. 💛
I struggled with this for a little while after reading both Romans and James but realized that both books overlapped in the idea that we are not saved by our works but our works should be a fruit of our faith I believe Acts 26:20 shows Paul explaining this
Interesting conversation about the Mormon Church my sister had me go a couple times when we were younger and I always felt the vibe of zero African-American people but yeah you're insight about them not going to scriptures confirm that the prophet is a true prophet was very enlightening God bless you all
This was an excellent conversation! The observations of each of your children and where to target your prayer concerning them is something I wish I was more mindful of as I wS raising mine. My kids are grown, but can still apply.
Thank you for been so honest about your kids good and not so great side of your kids. My Son is like your 3rd child, cries easily and all. I pray for him too and try to talk to him about not haveing to cry for lil things or things that are not worth crying for tho it's Okay to cry but not over everything. Thank you for this
😂 I hear "I don't know whether to feel encouraged or discouraged" very funny Preston....but love the work. God bless you... am honesty always blessed and refreshes by your teachings❤ more 🙏 Grace!
My heart, when they start talking about parenting and how observant and discerning the Spirit is teaching them to be regarding their kids, my heart literally swelled gratitude to God. Because who else redeems a person so wholly it affects their offspring? Who else makes dead sinners come alive and imbues them with an understanding so deep it transforms the knowledge of self-image, the quality of our understanding of the world, and our interactions with the people around us? Thank You, God. And thank You Jackie and Preston for living lives that make us see God. 🤍
I appreciate that parenting conversation because I have been praying to God about how to train my daughter up in the way that she should go. Asking God to order my steps when it comes to parenting her. I really want to do it God's way but also do it well.
Thanks a lot for alll this....I learnt more about respecting people while honouring God above all else. I also learnt how to better love, understand and pray for my children. God bless you and your Family!
Born and raised as a Mormon and stopped going to the church ever since I left to go to college (2017). When I was in high school “something” told me that I needed to seek another church. Long story short 6 years and baptized as a Christian later , god revealed to me his marvelous plan. That “something” was the Holy Spirit and it was a 6 year journey to get saved. God placed specific people in my life for this reason.
My family is still Mormon, majority of my friends are Mormon I pray for them.
What a blessing. Have you gotten a change to read unveiling grace? If not, it’s worth a reas
don't stop praying! God will deliver them in His time, His timing is perfect!
What I like about The Perrys:
1) Ya'll are hilarious!
2) Ya'll are well-studied ("be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.", II Timothy 2:15)
3) Ya'll are wise ("he who wins souls is wise, Prov. 11:30b)
I am inspired 💗
Yes they have so much wisdom!
Amen
Our profile pictures are similar 🌸.
Be blessed ✨
Extrovert here 🙋🏽♀️ My introverted husband literally asked me one time “are you uncomfortable with silence?” 😂😅
That one question taught me so much about myself & my insecurities. God has been teaching me the value of stillness & silence since then. 🙏🏽
Oh, and because hubby loves me he helps me out a lot in this. When we’re at a dinner table and a moment of awkward silence occurs, and he notices me itching to fill the void, he nudges me as if to gesture: it’s ok to let the moment breathe babe 😂😩😩
I love the conversation that Preston had with the Mormon guy because I'm sure many others on that plane were listening to that conversation quietly and a seed was planted. 🤗
My thoughts exactly when he mentioned that it was a long plane ride and they covered many subjects 🙏
Not yall roasting my name and question🤣 but thank yall. I asked this question in Glory Vegas but remember there was no wifi for the phone🤣. Thanks for answering "COUSINS" . YES eden and I as 1st born of 4 natural leaders🙏🏽
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Your question was amazing! I didn’t even realize I needed the answer. In other words thank you for asking your question.
@@Soundslike_tenetta aww thanks so much. And this is coming from someone(me) who isnt a parent yet🤣
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“Demons can write too, they got pencils too” 😂😂😂
Jackie I love you haha
Yes I yelled when she said that!
Lol right.. that part .😂
If we got through a pencil shortage this year instead of toilet paper I am blaming DEMONS!
Jackie
I don’t know if you actually read the comments, but I need to just let you know your content has been such a blessing to me. I was a witch for over a decade. I met Jesus and got saved. Obviously the Word of God is my strength and foundation, however I wanted to let you know that your content helps to strengthen my walk with Jesus. You have a true gift for explaining scripture in an easy to understand way. Thank you for what you do. Sincerely.
When Preston said that the LGBTQ+ question wasnt for him after he said all that bout the mormon rlly shows me how powerful each persons experience and past is important now to help pthers to Christ.
I was a mormon; and when I found out how demonic it was I ran to Jesus of the Bible (Because the Mormon Jesus is not biblical) and How the Lord opened my eyes was amazing! I am so grateful that I have been delivered from religious and Occult spirits. Now I pray for other Mormons could have their eyes open.
I think there is just one Jesus…
Im still a member of the Church please share more about your experience. This is my greatest struggle. I feel that LDS folks follow the same Christ as everyone else. I really want to know how I can see this differently (sincerely)
@@guitocivil4451 First I'd advice you to pray! Pray sincerely, forget everything the church has taught you and ask God to reveal to you the truth. Then read the bible Alone (dont read the BOM whilst you are on this quest), preferably do not read the one you get from the LDS. Begin by reading the book of John, then Mark and Exodus. There are many "foundational" truths that are different to LDS doctrine. Pay attention to God's form and how he interacts with Moses and all the other prophets, then compare that to Joseph Smiths "testimony" of how God appeared to him.
Keeping in mind the scriptures that God is not a Man, that he should lie (Numbers 23:19) this scripture alone goes against Mormon Doctrine.
I hope this gives you something to start with. Do your own research on the lives of the founders of the LDS church from outside sources, and ask yourself if these men's lives are like those that are in the bible who God interacted with. How many sources outside the LDS church can prove the locations, and decendents of the people the BOM speaks about? There is so much to unravel if you give yourself the right mind to do it. Why doesnt the LDS church encourage independent research?
GALATIANS 1:8 says: But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
So the Angel Moroni who preached a different gospel than that of the bible is cursed according to Galations 8:1
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They are very racist and know good n the hell that Black people are Israelites. But called us spawn of satan lol smh i saw there documentaries
@@ciaarruhh well, technically there’s a lot of Jesus because the name is popular just like Sarah or Jack, but you are right that there’s only one Jesus CHRIST. However, what the person was referring to is that the book of mormon distorts Jesus. What The mormons believe about Jesus is different to what is in the bible, so if you have never been exposed or fully exposed to the bible then you may fall into that trap. ❤️
The fact that y’all pay SO much attention to your children spiritually and naturally is MIND BLOWING!!!! I applaud y’all 👏🏽💙 Especially with what Preston said about his son. Not receiving adequate male affection and affirmation created a desire in me to reach out to men sexually to gain those things. Love y’all!! This is good!!💙💙💙
Being able to just discuss with a random stranger about the gospel is a grace I definitely need to be strengthened in me. We gotta preach this gospel, We really have to.
Amen!
Love the discussion here on Mormonism. As a former Mormon myself, I think it’s really important to help Christians understand what Mormons believe so that we can better evangelize to them.
I have to say that the Mormon you had that conversation with, Preston, gave you some misinformation-likely not intentionally. Most Mormons don’t know their own doctrine or history very well. Myth, folklore, and personal interpretation pervade the LDS community.
I learned this first hand on my Mormon mission. Mormon missionaries aren’t just tasked with converting people to Mormonism. They also teach fellow Mormons in the congregation that they’re assigned to. There’s 2 reasons why this is done: 1. to help reactivate less active members of the congregation; 2. to ensure that all members of the congregation understand the fundamentals of the Mormon doctrine. However, in each case, it’s done under the guise that the missionaries are practicing for when they teach non-Mormons.
Missionaries go through rigorous training on Mormon doctrine and continue their studies daily-they’re up to snuff on their doctrine. Throughout my mission, I found that many actively practicing Mormons did not know the basics of their doctrine. From what I’ve observed, this is likely due to many hearing the information a handful of times throughout their life, misremembering, not studying their materials critically, and coming to their own conclusions and interpretations. It also doesn’t help that LDS leaders themselves have their own interpretations and doctrines and will disagree with one another. “Today’s revelation is tomorrow’s heresy,” a phrase that is common from ex-Mormons who have observed this fracture in LDS leadership.
That being said, I’d like to correct the info that Mormon on the plane gave you. A summary of the misinformation:
- The Book of Mormon (BoM) was not translated in a day
- The BoM was not claimed to be written by an angel
- The reason why Mormons see the BoM as necessary
- Why Mormons believe God’s church was lost and needed restoring
In going over this, I hope it helps you understand Mormonism better and how to speak God’s word to what Mormons believe.
Let’s start with Joseph Smith. Joseph grew up during the second great awakening of Protestantism. It was a period of religious zeal, conversions in the hundreds, and tensions between different denominations.
According to what the LDS church teaches, at age 14, Joseph was confused about which church to join. Following the admonition given in James 1:5-6, he went into the woods and asked God to know which church was ‘true’. He claims that God and Jesus appeared to him in a pillar of light to answer his prayer. They told him that none of the denominations were true, that they were an abomination to God, and to join none of them.
Some time later, Joseph is visited several times by an angel named Moroni. Moroni told Joseph that there were gold plates buried nearby that contained ‘the fulness of the gospel’. Moroni told Joseph that at the right time, God would use Joseph to translate the plates so that the fulness of the gospel could be restored to the Earth. He then went on to quote several passages of the Bible (out of context) that foretold of this restoration. He also told Joseph that when he received the plates, he was not to show them to anyone.
At 17, Moroni lead Joseph to where the gold plates were buried. Joseph retrieved them along with a device called the Urim and Thummim which would allow Joseph to translate the plates.
The translation took 3 months. Joseph would sit on one side of a curtain with the plates and the Urim and Thummim and would read the translation aloud. On the other side of the curtain sat his scribe, Oliver Cowdery, who wrote down everything Joseph dictated.
During these 3 months, Joseph ‘learned’ about priesthood authority, which is essentially the authority to represent God, act in his name, and lead and administrate his church. Joseph claims that John the Baptist, Peter, James, and John all appeared to him and Oliver. They passed the priesthood authority on to them both, after which Joseph and Oliver baptized each other. Mormons claim that there is an unbroken line of priesthood authority beginning with Adam, passed down to the 12 apostles, passed on to Joseph and Oliver, and passed down to present day Mormons.
From here, Joseph had everything he needed to go and ‘restore’ God’s one, true church on Earth. He called 12 apostles to help him lead the church and they ratified him as the modern-day prophet and head of the church. You can read most of what I covered here on the LDS church’s website: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/pgp/js-h/1?lang=eng. This narrative can also be found in the 4th set of scripture Mormons believe in, which is called The Pearl of Great Price.
Also, 11 others were allowed to see the gold plates before they were “taken up back to heaven”. There are 2 sets of testimonies from these witnesses in the beginning of each copy of the BoM, found here: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/three?lang=eng and here: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/eight?lang=eng.
OK, let’s dig into some of the details I just covered.
In order for there to be a ‘restoration’ of God’s church, there had to be a falling away. Joseph taught that once the last apostle of Christ died, the authority to lead God’s church was lost. He goes on to say that the Christians from then on had no authority to teach or lead and that their doctrines and interpretations were corrupt. They refer to the period between the last apostle of Christ and Joseph Smith as The Great Apostasy.
Mormons also don’t grasp what’s taught in 1 Cor. 12:12-27 on the different parts of the church that make up the body of Christ. While Christian denominations can accept each other as valid members of the body due to shared core beliefs (the Trinity, the resurrection of Christ and salvation through him, the Bible being God’s word, etc), Mormons believe that a church must have the correct interpretation on all matters in order to be God’s church.
Along with that, they believe in the concept of ‘continuing revelation’ wherein God continues to appoint officials on his behalf to reveal his truth and will to the world. Therefore, if that official is on the Earth, then those who follow that official are obeying the Lord.
Additionally, Mormons see the Bible as insufficient to know all that God has for us to know. They believe that through its many interpretations over the centuries that the original meanings and truths were lost. This is part of the reason why they see need for the Book of Mormon which they refer to as Another Testament of Christ.
The Book of Mormon is asserted to be the scriptures of ancient Israelites that crossed the Atlantic, settled Central and South America, and their history and interactions with God. The BoM is composed of entries from several different prophets from the time of the Tower of Babel, through roughly 400 AD. The second to last prophet in the BoM is named Mormon. He was instructed to compile all of the writings of the prophets before him onto a set of gold plates. This is where the BoM gets its name. Mormon’s son, Moroni (the same Moroni that visited Joseph), finished the compilation after Mormon died and then buried the plates where God instructed him to. You can read the LDS church’s official intro/summary of the BoM here: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/introduction?lang=eng
The LDS church asserts that the Book of Mormon is necessary for 2 reasons.
1. it gives a lens through which to properly interpret the Bible, thereby settling the debates between Christian denominations.
2. its authenticity proves that Joseph Smith is an actual prophet of God and further proof that God restored his church through Joseph.
I hope this clarifies the details of the Mormon church’s history and what they believe. There’s much more that could be said: other beliefs that have come out of Mormonism, the actual events of what happened with Joseph Smith as opposed to the LDS’s official accounts, and the mountain of evidence that stands against the validity of both the BoM and Joseph Smith’s claim to be a prophet.
I’ve been a Christian for 6 years now and explaining Mormonism to Christians is always an endeavor. Their theological language is similar to ours, there’s common misinformation about Mormons in the mainstream, and Mormons themselves are usually not reliable sources for explaining their own beliefs.
I hope this has been helpful to you. If you have questions about what I’ve written here or other aspects of Mormonism, I’d be happy to continue a dialogue with y’all!
Awesome! I am LDS also & while listening to Preston’s encounter with this LDS member, I kept saying, no, that’s not really what is taught in the Mormon church. But I did appreciate how respectful Preston was with him. That was so thoughtful. But I also appreciate your response & corrections made in regard to that conversation. I hope more people will take the time to read your response. Thank you!👍❤️🧡💙💚💛💜🩷🩵🤎🤍💕🙏🏼😊
Thank you for sharing. Very helpful
I especially loved the talk about the kiddos... After two years in prison I'm finally getting my daughter back in my life and now that my life is God centered I've definitely been contemplating what this version of motherhood will be like and what new roles I will have. This was very helpful. I am so excited for this long awaited journey to begin.
God bless you!!!
I don’t know why but when y’all spoke about sage my eyes FILLED with water. I relate to her and wish someone would’ve prayed that for me.
Same
Jackie's reaction to her husband and the way that he loves their son was the reaction y'all were wanting when Preston praises her face. What a sweet time, thank you for sharing everything you have with us
Lol good point! It came naturally because it wasn't forced!
Part of the reasons why I like Jackie is because she has the gift of sarcasm😂😂
A leader once mentioned to me that sarcasm is rooted in bitterness. I thought about it and realized it is true. Since then I try to be mindful of avoiding sarcasm.
@@eden6768it depends on if it’s done tastefully and it depends on the relationship you have with someone.
This is a podcast with her best friend and husband, the sarcasm is playful and acceptable here.
I would say she has more dry humour than sarcasm
@@christinelong2407: I can see that.
The way you both speak about your children is beautiful... In terms of how you're taking time to analyse their unique nature's, gifts and abilities, and, prayerfully assisting them in their growth and development.
I love to see it & hear it especially being someone who grew up around adults who didn’t esteem their kids in a positive way & acted like their children are a burden
I really appreciated your expression about how attentive you are toward your children. Jackie the way you identify their sin struggles, as well as their gifts and how they coincide simultaneously with one another…was a delight to hear.
I think silence can also be a trauma thing from childhood. I say this from personal experience because anytime my dad would be upset with me. He wouldn't talk to me. But when he talked to me he talked in great lengths and lectures. So I think that's why some people find silence hard because maybe that was a form of discipline or punishment.
good point, I have never looked at it like that
Through the miracle of technology, it is such a *privilege* to be able to get a glimpse into what God did for you two both as individuals but also as a couple and THEN to see how you both steward the gift of parenthood. To go on this (virtual) journey with you and your family has been such a beautiful testimony of what God can do when we make the decision to give him our lives. I remember when you the footage from when you 2 were just dating, and now look! Although I know that you experience trials and trouble like everyone else, please know that your lives are so beautiful, your family an inspiration and we are sooo grateful that you share some of that with us. Both of your teaching gifts are 🔥🔥. KEEP shining!!!🙏🏽❤
You can be LGBT and Christian 👨❤️👨
hearing you guys talk about your kids is so sweet and beautiful. i’m so excited to be a father in like 10 years 🤣
🤣felt that, but being a mother
I love the intentional parenting, it's alot of work but it's so worth it. God bless you guys.
Wow. Y’all always humble, educate and flourish me. Praise God for the work He’s doing through y’all. Thank y’all love yall!
Jackie & Preston are Wonder Twins (married folks often begin to resemble each other over time)! 😉Love this beautiful couple in Christ! 🤎🤍✨
I listened to this episode about a week ago, paying particular attention to the LDS conversation. Today, two LDS missionaries stopped at my door, and I was able to have a much more coherent convo than ever before. Ordained timing! Thank you for your Spirit led influence. Blessings!
Wow the way you both beautifully articulated the characteristics/personalities of your Children has helped unlock something in me. I’m most definitely like Sage. I wish this was nurtured in me as a kid, rather than being looked upon negatively as being over sensitive.
Yes! I feel the same way
Same! I’m extremely sensitive and when I was a kid, I cried a lot or pouted. lol Now it’s rare that I cry because I was made to feel that I’m too emotional or sensitive. My husband accepts my feelings and emotions. So I can unravel in front of him and not feel crazy afterwards.
Same here, but I've learned I have the spiritual gift of empathy. I feel deeply for others can't even watch a commercial w/ out crying sometimes. But this gift isn't talked about much. It annoys people because I can always see others side to why they did something wrong and justify it. But the temptation is to not go through the right process of forgiveness to when someone hurts me. 😊
I loved the last part of this episode because I can identify with Jackie. I’m also very very empathetic. When Jackie spoke about praying for resilience and perseverance for her daughter I felt that. Thank you both for sharing your stories and being transparent. ❤
THESE conversations and questions are so necessary, so on time and so needed! Intentional parenting is beautiful and I love the way you guys just explained how each of your children are different. Praying over your children is a must. Thank ya'll so much for sharing ♥
Mormons came to our house and we read their "testament" and compared verse to verse to the Bible, including the one Preston mentioned. All in love. They were just kids and I hope we were able to plant seeds. They kept coming back until they realized we were trying to convert them and were never going to cave.
I don't like long videos. I like videos of less than 10 minutes. But I listen to this one till the end without being bored for a second. Keep up the good work!
Maybe you should work on your patience. And I understand that most people are not that way at all. And I’m so grateful for their longer videos.
Can’t hardly get anything out of even a half an hour.
it’s wonderful to hear you both reflect on your children. To have parents who take the time to know them and with that knowledge guide them to greatness is very beautiful. God bless you
I love this! This really has me interested in learning the proper way to defend our faith. I don't think we as Christians have been properly trained on asking ourselves why we believe what we believe and when approached how to speak those truths in a factual way vs just saying the evidence of tongues or arguing ideas.
Will there be a part 2 to this!? The parenting tips was incredible. Wow. To hear them speak so highly of their children is so impeccable. Need more parents tips.
Me learning about myself through your analysis of the kids 😭
its otherworldly how the Lord uses the both of you, thank you for your obedience to him - how blessed we are to reap from that. God Bless you both & your family
Jackie I have so much respect for you and your husband’s ministry. I can LITERALLY see growth! Y’all walking it out for real for real ❤🙏🏾
Probably my best episode yet. Y'all keep getting better like fine wine. Thank you for this fam! x
Aaw I loved when y’all were talking about your children and how Dad comforted baby boy when he got overwhelmed. My husband recently passed and left behind our two boys and I often worry about wether or not I’ll be enough. As a woman I pray to God to strengthen me and help me steer them in the right direction when they may feel overwhelmed in life. God bless y’all and your family. New sub here❤️
Sarafina was shot 5 houses from my mom's house in the 90s. I also love that movie. It makes me happy to know that this South African movie shot in Orlando East Soweto is one of Jackie's favorite movies 😍
Wow!! What a blessing that our identities are not based on what we do, think or feel, but they are based on who created us and the universe!! Amen! That touched me today.
Y’all really help me love and understand God more! Amen!
The description of introverts being able to pick apart someone without even having a conversation and its possiblity for judgment was spot on.
Whew that explanation of leadership was more for me than my child. Observing the situation, discerning the person, and deligating the task based on their nature ✍🏽‼️
What a beautiful ministering testimony. I pray God gives me this grace to share him in this loving way
Just make it 1-hr with the Perry’s every so often
‘Now go with GOD!’ I had never waited long enough to bar that
Thank you for the question about cultivating our kids. It was so needed and the answers were beautiful 😢
I enjoy y'all's interaction so much that I could just listen to y'all talk all day. Thank you for helping my understanding of things and for giving me more ways to make the bible applicable to my life and to those around me. I appreciate you sharing your experiences, your family and your hearts with us. God Bless Always!
This was so great ! Hearing about the difference of your children and how you guys are raising them is amazing! I just loved it . Ty
So glad when this podcast surpasses 30 mins! ❤
My husband does the same to me, compliment me at the most random times and people get on to me because I don’t say omg thank you so much. Like k, we understand us. We’ve been US for quite sometime, 22 years. We get this
I love this, i love hearing Jackie talk about homesexuality it always opens my eyes and gives me content for the next time i have to make such a conversation because we are at a point where the church is confused on this issue and need a whole lot more of wisdom and understanding ❤ thank you two for these podcasts
I am always blessed and educated when I listen to you both. Thank you and God bless you guys and the family.
“WHAT IF I HAD THAT?” I’m deep in thought right now! 🙏🏼
Thank you guys for the transparency.
It's so inspiring the amount of love i hear when you are talking about your children
De’Shayle…that question brought out so much introspection for me in regards to how I am acknowledging and building my children’s spiritual gifts. It took the Perry’s down a beautiful spiral. Thank you!! “God is seeking a Godly scene!”!!!
Dashelle
This was such a great episode! Thank you for continuing to speak the TRUTH.
Thank you Preston and Jackie for sharing your hearts and home with me. I get some laughs, some cries, some disagreements and some teaching every time I watch you. Btw I love your customary greeting, "Hey Saints and Aints."
28:29- wow
40:03- wow
The entire episode- mind blowing, thank you for being a teacher in my life
How u guys were talking about your childing and parenting and being so observant of them, i just want to say, is BEAUTIFUL 💙
What Preston said about showing love to their person is beautiful. This is what's missing from most families. Yes, hold him and love him hard. May God bless your family to do awesome things for His kingdom.
I just cried at how beautifully you described your children and the active parenting you do to nurture and guide them through their gifts. I'm Sage, and in her mother's words, "i feel things deeply which makes the degree of my suffering unique," so i will be praying for her to be able to regulate her emotions through her trials as her mama does the same. This was soooooo beautiful
Praise God for you both. I enjoyed the conversation about the children and evangelism.
Soo many nuggets given in this segment. I really enjoy the Perry's...Jackie is one of my favorite teachers. ♥️
The whole podcast was great but
the parenting portion was so beautiful! Such great and wise parents this was amazing to reflect on. Thank you!
You guys are so entertaining but so impactful!! God bless!! Love the conversation about how you each affirm your children ❤
Sarafina🇿🇦.... Being a South African, for me that movie is an all time classic ....
Same 🤺🇿🇦
Nephi is a person. The book of Mormon reads like the Bible in the sense that there is a time when Jesus isn't there, then he comes and preaches when he is crucified. The Saints from the LDS church go hard for Christ. I love them. They are some riteous people. So lovely.
People will be people and answer from their own feelings and experiences. I love you guys. And living and having grown up in St. Louis it is always refreshing to hear you two speak so candidly on actual issues. Plus you both are hilarious! So I always view that as an inside joke of love between you two. You don't have to play a game with each other. You allow each other to be who you are. I appreciate that and love you both!
I’m not one of the special members but I really enjoy y’all’s videos so much. I’ve been struggling hard core on “good works” debate and Preston just explained it so clearly in about a minute. 🤦♀️ It seems confusing because Romans is like it ain’t about your good works and then here comes James and he’s like wait a minute you gotta do good works. I’ve been stewing on this for like 3 months now so thank you for explaining so simplistically. God used the side note for me. 💛
I struggled with this for a little while after reading both Romans and James but realized that both books overlapped in the idea that we are not saved by our works but our works should be a fruit of our faith I believe Acts 26:20 shows Paul explaining this
Thank y’all for the parenting info!!!! Man, you guys just turned on a light for me
the depth of the answer for the last question stirred my heart wow. i didn’t know i needed that.
Interesting conversation about the Mormon Church my sister had me go a couple times when we were younger and I always felt the vibe of zero African-American people but yeah you're insight about them not going to scriptures confirm that the prophet is a true prophet was very enlightening God bless you all
Thanks for sharing 🙏🏾
His grace and mercy be upon you all and your loved ones 🕊️🥛🍯
I loved everything about this episode. Thank y’all for this. ❤
This was an excellent conversation! The observations of each of your children and where to target your prayer concerning them is something I wish I was more mindful of as I wS raising mine. My kids are grown, but can still apply.
Man when Jackie started talking about the foolish things confounding the wise made me cry OMG
Me too. A treasure inside an “unexpected” vessel. So beautiful.
Thank you for been so honest about your kids good and not so great side of your kids. My Son is like your 3rd child, cries easily and all. I pray for him too and try to talk to him about not haveing to cry for lil things or things that are not worth crying for tho it's Okay to cry but not over everything.
Thank you for this
You two are beautiful together ❤️ thank you for being vulnerable and opening up and being real
33:17 I felt God answering my questions about my character as a extravert in y’all’s podcast
Thank you for your honesty
My boi Preston in this bag!! Let’s goo! Great word thank you both
"Demons got pencils too" took me OUTTTT 😂 I can't wait for the enneagram episode.
Wow that was an amazing conversation. Thank you 🙏🏿
I'm literally crying at the end, so beautiful!!
My favorite so far!!! Love all things family from you two!! ♥️
I will go back and listen to your answer again. Thanks.❤
Beautiful session guys!
Love the father's hands at the end! 💝
You guys are preaching tuhday! This was so filled with wisdom.
I'm from South Africa I got so excited when Jackie put Sarafina up there with her top four RESPECT
I'm waiting for her to bring Glory to SA.
Same, it was such a proud moment❤
Jackie you explained the question really well. I have to go back and hezr again. Thank you so much for such a biblical way.
😂 I hear "I don't know whether to feel encouraged or discouraged" very funny Preston....but love the work. God bless you... am honesty always blessed and refreshes by your teachings❤ more 🙏 Grace!
Outside of the Godly wisdom I soak up from your channel, I absolutely LOVE the dynamic between you two! You guys are such a blessing!!
This was amazing, Ya’ll! Thank YOU!
I laughed and was blessed!!! Thank you Perrys and thank God for His Word!
Looking forward to the enneagram discussion next season
This was EXCELLENT. Thank you for your Ministry
Can’t even say how many times I replayed the last couple minutes of this video. “The fathers bosom. The only begotten” 😆 love this family
This is so powerful and educational! Thank you!!!
My heart, when they start talking about parenting and how observant and discerning the Spirit is teaching them to be regarding their kids, my heart literally swelled gratitude to God.
Because who else redeems a person so wholly it affects their offspring? Who else makes dead sinners come alive and imbues them with an understanding so deep it transforms the knowledge of self-image, the quality of our understanding of the world, and our interactions with the people around us?
Thank You, God. And thank You Jackie and Preston for living lives that make us see God. 🤍
I appreciate that parenting conversation because I have been praying to God about how to train my daughter up in the way that she should go. Asking God to order my steps when it comes to parenting her. I really want to do it God's way but also do it well.
Thanks a lot for alll this....I learnt more about respecting people while honouring God above all else. I also learnt how to better love, understand and pray for my children. God bless you and your Family!