The HORRIBLE TRUTH About ZERO ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLES
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ต.ค. 2022
- Before buying a zero electric motorcycle, i suggest watch this video first! Because in this video i will show you the horrible truth about zero motorcycles and why you should think twice.
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Zero's biggest failure is they do not support DC Fast Charging which means the majority of stations you come across will not be usable. Compared to Energica Zero really looks like they haven't innovated in over five years. I believe in the US all Cypher features are just included in the price because of such poor reception of having to buy feature on the bike already
problem with CCS is that - CCS require minimum 200V battery voltage so 70S (70 cell in series) pack - now they have 116V (28S) pack probably for CCS they have to upgrade/change battery/bms system
Um, that's completely false. I just charged my Zero in 50 minutes at a DC fast charging station.
Car manufacturers doing the same. All the hardware already fitted to the car, pay a monthly subscription to make it work. It’s outrageous and the people that buy these vehicles are idiots.
Thats why we need to complain by them so it stops :)
Rolland a smashing blog you have really nailed it this time but don’t expect a Christmas card from zero this year. Keep it up just love your blogs 👏👏
Lol, yeah Alan, since my start on TH-cam there are many companies who won’t send me a Xmas card I think 😂
I think KTM were the first to start this pay wall scam. They got away with it as people just kept on buying their bikes. It seems Zero have now joined in on it. I’m a fan of all electric vehicles, but their absurd pricing is where I draw the line. How on earth can Zero (or Energica for that matter) justify selling their electric motorbikes at similar prices to some electric cars??? We’ve been told for so long that the reason for the higher cost of electric vehicles is due to the batteries. The top spec version of the recently released MG4 hatchback sells for around 30K euros! The MG’s come with more than double the battery capacity of these electric bikes. Yet Zero/Energica’s bikes cost as much as the MG? I debated long and hard with myself about getting an electric bike, but I’m sorry Zero/Energica. Your greed has convinced me to stick with ICE bikes. I understand that being smaller companies, you lack the economies of scale that the bigger car brands have… nonetheless, you don’t grow your customer base by pricing yourselves out of the market. To quote the words of the Dragons in the UK show “Dragons’ Den”, “I’m sorry, but I’m out!”
You are 100% right! i am sure they can build this bike way cheaper. A bike should not be the same price as a car. A bike should be cheaper as a car. thats why they made motorcycles in the first place. Thanks for your great reply :)
I am an owner of a 2020 Zero SR/S Premium version w/ Power Tank. I purchased it new in March of 2020. In the over four years of ownership I have had no issues with the bike. I enjoy riding it immensely, it makes me happy. I like the styling of the motorcycle. I think it’s one of the most beautiful motorcycles out there. I don’t understand the negativity surrounding it.
Thanks for the information. I was thinking of getting the SR/S but felt I needed more info on it, and I think that these are some greedy underhanded tactics. I'll wait for them to either be more upfront and reasonable about their prices or just look for another option.
Don't buy is junk , I bought my 2 months ago and I have to bring it back to dealer b cuz all the light are not working and the horn also not working and dashboard. I already checked all the fuses they are good .
Bro, you’re very entertaining but knowledgeable as well thank you for the input. God bless.
Hello Roland,
For atleast 35 years i drove motorcycles the whole year around. As soon as the salt came on the road i left my "better" bike at home. And used a special bike for that purpose. As you know salt is so extremely agressive that it will destroy the complete motorcycle. After a few years it takes a lot of maintenance to keep it rolling. We call such a bike a Pekelfiets (Saltbike). As you allready know cause you are Dutch.
A few times the thought came popping back into my mind to sell my car and go riding motor again in winter.
What about riding electric motorcycle ? Is such a Zero much better protected against salt ? Or does it also go everywhere and destroy the bike ?
For what you are telling. A lot of manufacterus do that. They lock certain software options. And if you want those option you have to pay a lot of money. They hook it at a computer and it done within a few seconds.
Husqvarna for example also does this with their Norden 901. A complete mapping is installed but certain options are locked right from the factory. And they let you pay a lot of money to have it unlocked. Very easy money. But as you i also see this as a complete scam. A horrible scam.
But he, They have the power to do so. It is a KTM thing. They also do the exact same thing with the 890R. And this has generated a lot of money for them.
As many times as i could i adressed this scam on TH-cam. And if others also start doing this they finally have to stop that kind of evil. I hope. It would be better if they gave all the those people their money back. Motorriders have to do shitty jobs and make hardworking long hours to be able to ride motor. And they allready pay a lot of money. And then stealing their money in such cheap way is worthy for a bullit through their kneecaps. Both kneecaps. 🤬🤬
Put your smartphone in the beach for one week, you surely will note how salt and humidity affects your battery. The take an Electric bike and put it on the beach one week, you'll be terrified on how your battery will be affected, then buy a Tesla and Park it in the beach for six months. If you have some more money to spare buy and Electric motorcycle and expect to spend even more within one year on a battery replacement. If you have some more money to spend you can donate it to me so I can buy a Ducati.
Funny and informative video. Good job. The extra cost to unlock features already embedded in the software sounds reminiscent of Haas machine tools.
2023 SR/S comes in stock with every available Cypher III+ feature.
Thanks for this vid plenty of better cheaper options thanks for helping people avoid disappointment.
I have a zero DS. I am very happy with it. Range of about 200km.
I could ride about 3 hours before charging. But I never ride longer than 2 hours because it start to hurt my back and butt. So I don't have the need at all to have more range than 200km.
Rides very smooth and silent. Almost no maintenance. No taxes. And I charge for free at work.
Very cheap to run. Especially for people like me that do a lot of kilometers in a year by commuting to work.
Hi! I ordered a 2021 Zero S 14.4kW, I have to go on a 230km trip. No charge tank, can I get that range if going only at 70kmph or have to ride slower?
@@fotoamgamgfoto3695 At 70km/h yes. at 70mph not. At average speeds of 70 km/h, I get about 250-280 km. At highway speeds it is 180-200km.
If I was you, I would buy a adaptor for public charging stations to a regular plug. Then you have at least a (slow) backup solution to charge without a charge tank at public chargers.
@@mmistermusic wow thanks! so it can do 250km range if I make it slow average 70 km/hour? It would be then enough without Charge tank.
I already have a Type2 to Schukko or computer plug adapter I made for my current electric notorcycle but 10-12 hours charge at public is a bit slow and expensive :)
@@fotoamgamgfoto3695 yes, but luckily you will not need to charge 100%. Worst case you maybe need to top up 10%.
@@mmistermusic thanks! here we have some free public charge points at Lidl shops, but probably won't be free soon, not working or occupied. It needs to restart by button every 10 minutes if not registered, but if app has an account it charges up to 29 minutes without stop and manual restart :)
Indeed - it's a price of new Goldwing or R18 (say - my dream bike) with extras. Realistically I consider e-bikes as good commuters. If Zero is reaching for high level customers, the pricing model is ridiculous anyway. I'm not a sport-bike fan, so maybe I'm not in the target group. Thanks for your insight.
wist je dat dit ook bij de teslas het geval is dat alle opties al zijn ingebouwd en je juist een andere update moet installeren,...ja zoals airco dat is al ingebouwd en moet enkel worden geupdate via software ........
This is entertaining; why does everyone think these batteries fail after five years, seriously, where does this come from? Someone, please provide some real data on this.
So, you haven’t actually ridden it then? OK, it’s expensive, very expensive, but it’s different. You could buy a GS, but the 1250s are unreliable, so I wouldn’t bother.
Used Zeros in the U.K. are pretty reasonable, but that’s because it’s new tech and bikers are a conservative bunch. I haven’t tried a Zero yet, but I have ridden the Harley Livewire, and that was incredible. So I’d like to try a Zero. I’m not too worried about battery life - I have a 9 year old Renault Zoe and it’s still pretty good.
I too don’t see why I have to pay for upgrades that are already within the bike, but are they? Maybe it’s an update to the operating system that has been refined, like Tesla do. Anyway KTM are now doing the same thing.
For now I’ll stick to my Africa Twin 1100 and RD350LC, but I remain open minded, which is a good thing!
Keep the twin ! 😃 I own 2 and I really love them. (Old one ‘95 and atas 2019)
But, there is more then zero. So just explore the market. Within a few years every bike company makes them. But I would not set my hope on electric too much. There is not enough lithium to make every vehicle electric.
So I don’t believe that is gonna be the future. Well maybe for a part but not the standard. Unless they invent something without lithium 🤷♂️
Anyway, ride safe :)
You excellent heretic! I love the facts you revealed here and the way your mind works. You literally mirrored my own assessment of these things. Thank you for sharing.
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Thanks! And welcome in the club of cool people 😃
Zero are not the only company doing that. I am not defending them at all, but Tesla also do that and i also heard KTM have some featurs which they unlock if u pay extra You are not the only one who is upset because of it. My Zero is 2016 i bouth it second hand, it cost 8850 Ero i September 20. Battary wad replaced under warranty by previous owner.
Zero SR which i owe has 70hp which it can maintain for a short period of time before the motor over heat but 70 hp at 6000 rpm put me in 175kmh which my neck will not hold long time, bike can sustain 140kmh with no problem.
I try to do the best not damaging the battery, not letting it to charch at highet temp during summer ace. I can charge any were using ususal outlet. It makes an amazing everyday commiter, it has showa suspension which can me tuned for dump and rebound both front and back. Electric bikes have higher center of gravity so need to get used to, on the other hand they are higher torqu and can do sveral level of engine breacking perfect for hilly roads, you can ride only with the accelerator not touching the breacks. During the tume i owend the bick i did not need any maintenance only aside tier replacement. I assume the battary will live another 50kkm easley .
Aside of Zero what options do you have if you want to ride Electric?
Energica is an Italian elecctric motorcycle it is much better, but cost almost twice as much.
I do not know why Supercharging is expensive in Netherlands, take in to account that the cost of building one station is arround 200k us$, any how Zero cant connect to a supercharger only to Type 2. Home electricity in Israel cost areound 0.125 Ero a kwh. Zero 14.4 battery can hold 11.4 kwh meaning full battay charging cost is 1.433 Ero, the bike will do 130 km at an avarage speed of 140km and about 190 km at an avarge speed of 90-100kmh, these costs are very low. Insurance is a big thing in israel. Basik motorcycle insurance yearly cost is 1100 ero, but for a Zero it is 550 Ero(bike foes 0 to 100 in 3.3sec).
Put all that aside i will not buy a nother Zero, the build quality and its general reliability is a big No for me. Saying all that, i can understand the business prospective of Zero maximasing their income with higher prices. I do not think Zero sells more than 5000 biks a year and with these low voliums cant see how they make any profit, not sure they will exist in 10 years. No company can stay alive like that, but i can not predict the future
@@brittennz well, I just checked the energica, their flagship. It’s 3000 more then the zero (both basemodel) So it’s not that big of a difference?
@@TheRideWithRoland it is a Huge difference. You cant compare between the two. Zero is a part bin motorcycle meaning the main drivetrian components are off the shelf, they are not designed by Zero. This leads to much less optimaized design. Energicas drive train all are inhose dwsignd. They are much more optimized, the motor and controller are packed together amd both are liquid cooled, they are lightrt and will not limit the bike top speed, all Energicas has two charges an AC 3kw and a DC 24kw. Mening the bike can charge in less than 1 hour in Supercharging and in 4 hours at home outlet. Zero can not superchage ar all, it cant connect to fast DC charging. I am not sure but i also think enegica basic mksel has a bigger battery.
Energica has a much brtter built quality than Zero, mainly on the electronics and harness
@@brittennz Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences with your Zero. It looks like you got a fairly good deal if you bought the bike for a lot less than half price. But that’s really evidence of their TRUE value isn’t it? There’s no way they are worth their new price.
A lot of really good real bikes hold their value over time. MV Augustas for instance. Indeed, some truly awful things from Harley Davidson also quite inexplicably hold their value over a long time.
But from a market perspective, this actually only reinforces what a really bad deal it is to buy Zeros new. Furthermore, because the need to replace the battery after such a very short period of time proves they are clearly not sustainable, they make a total mockery of the mainstream narratives around their introduction.
Another marketing observation is that Zero are apparently using the specific top-down pioneered by Steve Jobs at Apple after 1996, which culminated in the hugely successful iPod business model after 2003.
However, Apple products were vastly superior to their competitors, and had a lot longer useful life, therefore their premium pricing was entirely justified. After 30 years, in each case, All my Macs still work. After the same period, all my Hondas also still work, as do all my other real bikes.
Conversely, after less than 10 years, Zero owners will be left with a frame, two wheels, worn out suspension, a scrap motor and some extremely volatile and hazardous waste for which there is no sustainable recycling process. That’s NOT a good deal.
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I'm not going to defend ZERO as a company, no one should defend these businesses. But I've been looking into these ZERO's and possibly an Energica if I can find a dealer here in the states who offers the Experia. The model of bike you showed in the video is the SR/S which is their top model. The base model of that style is the SR which goes for $20,000.
I've compared the SR/S, the DSR/X and the Energica Experia to each other and the Energica is the most expensive of the bunch starting at $25,880+VAT for us here in the states being it is a European motorcycle and all. For us the ZERO SR/S starts at $24,000 and the DSR/X starts at $24,500. So if I can't get my hands on a Energica Experia the only other choice of electric bike is a ZERO. There's not really many choices here in my region.
I don't have to worry about people in groups being embarrassed to ride with me as I don't ride with anyone but a friend of mine. We don't ride with big groups and probably never will as riding for us is more of a relaxation thing. Being in a big group is not relaxing.
I'm thinking electric as it would be perfect for my needs. My town is nothing but intersections and stop lights so the electric is perfect for stop-n-go riding in the summer. My job is also within a mile of my house so riding one of these things to work in the summer would last a while on a charge. I also don't travel very far so whatever range it offers is good enough for me. :)
The average person really tracked their riding patterns they would find the base model will suit them and cheap home overnight charging is all you need.
Indeed. Plus, one should not only look at the price to buy. You have to look at the total cost of ownership. Including maintenance, taxes, fuel,....
If you ride a lot, you will see, that you can easily add 5000 euro extra for an electric bike compared to an fossil fuel stove.
If you only ride on sundays, in the summer, as a tourist, you better stick with an ICE. But if you commute by motorcycle, it is really interesting to look at electric.
Please do one for Energica as well. Hmm, unless you already have and I'm wasting my time writing this. I'm about to check.
Well, KTM is doing the same thing so they might be next. But before i can make a video i need to know the numbers etc, and untill now thats very unclear.
To be fair, Zero is on par with the other premium electric motorcycles. Their upcharges are a bit rough though. Especially considering that most if not all of the extras are already installed and behind a paywall.
Yes, like I said. I am not against electric motorcycles. But it feels like they want to squeeze every penny out of their client, and that is not cool 😬
Like Tesla then, also I first looked at Zero then Damon, yes price high but looking to get Damon as if ride 50 miles what save on fuel can buy a new bike in 5 years or so, Premier on Damon is $12000 more for special paint and better brakes and suspension (brakes and suspension is about £2000 what I found)
Try MPGe Vs MPG then, Damon Hypersport I am looking at is 337MPGe Vs a equal petrol of 56MPG, to add main downside of Damon is it built around bike so whole thing replace
@@mlee6050 Sorry to tell you this, Damons don't exist. There hasn't been a single bike ridden by anyone of importance or open to the public. Ever.
Junk I bought my and already have to take it to the dealer to get it fix .
They are really hosing you guys in Europe. I paid half that for a couple models under the one you showed and didn't have to get any extras plus I charge for free at work. There is barely any difference with my version. It's not for everyone obviously but I love my Zero SR. They definitely have a questionable business model though.
i know, prices are ridiculous here. Especially here in the Netherlands. Everything has gone trough the roof and its a hard life these days 😬
Yes the us is cheaper .. luckily energica is cheaper in europe .. and wait till you need customer services from zero ..
Price is roughly the same as the big electric bikes, Energica and Livewire.
Also the FX or FXE is only 16k ;)
Range didn't drop that much when i rode it at 180 for quite some time. So that point is outdated.
So the only real downside is the features behind an extra paywall... But...
That is happening with most electric cars as well. Some gasoline bikes also have it (looking at GXS950 vs GXS1000 for example).
Heated grips is always an extra, so no problem there (they installed it for free ;) )
installed it for free????? BRO🤣🤣🤣SOME GASOLINE ARE DOING IT?? YEAH SURE like Bmw and othera but shit man you shoulndt support that shittu behavior by buying them 🤣🤣🤣
@@nonsononessunooko4066 It might be a reason to not buy it, but they aren't the only one doing it, nor the first to do it.
I agree we shouldn't support it, on all bikes and brands ;)
I got a 21 Zero FX in the states for 13g so like 9 eur, 7.2 battery, if you ride 30mph or less you get 90 mile range, if you ride 65 and pass at 80mph you get 46 mile range, but i would never ever buy another electric again with 8.5 hour charge at 110v monitor cable charging. There is something to be said about how quiet it is...super neat on the trails.
i'm also dutch and looking at the FX or FXE. might get it if the EV tax benefits are good enough and i get enough back at the end of the year. it's good enough for city commuting and short highway rides. really despise what they're doing with the unlocking stuff though. just another greedy company trying to take every dime from their customers.
i'll have to look into how much exactly i can get back. if it costs 14,000 and i can get back at least 4k. 10k for work transport seems fair if it serves me long enough. love the style of dual sport bikes but they're so damn loud. while i like the sound myself, i often go to work late and get home early. i would wake up thousands of people as i ride by. don't like that. so despite all the issues, it still seems the best option for me. also in the future they might ban gas bikes completely from cities. this covers me from that. tough choices..
I some agree with what your saying, yeah definitely over priced,with thst amount of money I could buy a brand new 2023 harley Davidson adventure bike or something, it's crazy but I have seen other competitors but not sure on there prices an how much range you get sn also how long do they take to charge,if had to leave in a hurry,an it was your only way of transportation, an it takes 8 hours to charge,your screwed unless you got someone who can give you a lift. I'm sticking with gas for now until they get better ways of charging an range an definitely bring price wayyy down.
so much TECH - 2021 model still has NON LED blinkers/indicators (I dont know about main lights)
Really?? thats insane...
@@TheRideWithRoland yes, I spoke with salesman in local dealership 1-2 weeks ago, but I dont see any ZERO in person - I will buy one in april/may '23
love my 2014 Zero SR, a perfect daily commuter. it is perfect in every ways except for the motor over heat easily in the summer when temp hits above 100*F in hard acceleration. this bike can out accelerate any liter bike from red light to red light.
update: i mounted a 3"x3" usb box fan by the motor for active cooling....no more motor overheat.
if i can get a 2010 zero s with under 1k miles for 2500 should i do it?
I think so, but 1k miles in 10 years is really nothing. i would check if that is correct or fake.
@@TheRideWithRoland guy says it sat for a long time in a "plugged in state" and that the battery is still pretty good for the age of the bike but idk
@@official315 give it a test ride. And watch the battery level .
Heb je het TH-cam kanaal van "Marc Travels" gevolgd? Je hoeft de app niet te gebruiken om meer km uit je motor te halen. Zet hem 5 minuten stil. Opnieuw starten en klaar. Maar ik ben met je eens dat get bizar is om deze "opties" alleen tegen betaling vrij te geven.
Ik ken Marc maar klinkt dat niet meer als een soort van intern probleem met dat herstarten?
Maar sinds je Marc en dus reis avonturen volgt, er staan op mijn kanaal heel wat reizen, nu ben ik bezig met een reeks uit Vietnam. Geef het eens een poging, ik denk dat je het wel gaaf vind :)
Zero is following what Apple and Tesla has been doing for years. Expensive, with more expensive options to add after, pay to unlock features. The features are on the bike already, and you have to pay more to unlock them. And almost no customer/tech/repair service. Zero also has cheap parts on the bike. Cheap mirrors, cheap buttons, cheap electrical, cheap headlight, brake light, turn signals, and so much more. I found the mirrors from china source like ebay or alibaba for $20. Still no level three charging, compared to other far better electric motorcycles.
Zooo dat is een duidelijk verhaal .mis de kosten van een nieuwe batterij dat zou ook niet mis zijn
Geen idee, maar een nieuwe batterij is gewoon Total los
If you're not signed in on the app OR leave your phone home, those options are disabled.
Unlocking features online means: proper bike functionality only when connected to some kind of online service. If they get in the same sort of trouble as vanmoof cycles: u end up with a useless piece of crap worth zero money.
als ze een batterij kunnen upgraden via een app. Wie zegt dat ze dat ook niet vanop afstand weer kunnen downgraden. Kwestie dat je denkt dat je batterij "op" is en zo een nieuwe koopt.
Btw KTM doet ook al aan upgrades via een app. Bij auto's doen Mercedes en BWM dit ook al
eens :)
Customer service and product support👎🏾All Zero wants to do is sell their bikes, but provide customer and product support.
Upgrade are for free on 2022 bikes and included on 2023 bikes , no on the heated grip are not fitted on the SR so no OTA available 😆😆😆😆 , let´s do a video without know
I’ve got my information from zero.
Probably a lot of people complained about it and so they maybe changed it in some country’s but not here in the Netherlands.
And maybe they changed because of video’s like this so maybe you should appreciate it 🤷♂️
Hey Roland, moet je voor de gein eens kijken bij KTM, die zijn nog veel erger. Ze laten je eerst 1500 kilometer wennen aan de opties om ze daarna te vergrendelen. Zodra je betaald worden ze weer gedeblokkeerd.
Ik weet het, en ik heb ze al in het vizier ;) probleem is dat ik er niet achter kan komen om welke opties het nou precies gaat en wat de kosten zullen zijn.
DLC voor motoren moet geen standaard ding worden en dit kunnen we alleen maar stoppen door ze te laten weten dat we dit niet willen, zodat andere fabrikanten hier weer handig op in gaan spelen.
Voordeel van dit alles weer is dat hackers hier natuurlijk met een of andere plug komen die de boel unlocked waar ktm nu al mee bezig is in rechtszaken om het mogelijk te maken dat de garantie dan zou vervallen.
Het hangt echt van de prijzen af en om welke opties het nou precies gaat om hier nu wat zinnigs over te zeggen 😬
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Wat ! Dat is helemaal schandalig zeg !! Gelukkig een heel goede oplossing voor: NIET KOPEN !
Serious ? Vorig jaar een Norden 901 gekocht. Niks was tijdelijk unlocked vanaf de start. Dat ding heeft negen ride modus. Net als de ktm 890r. Maar het kost je volgens mij bijna 500.00 Euro om dit te unlocken. Een soort van Explorer mode.
Het ziekelijke was ook nog dat het eerste half jaar werd vermeld dat het nog niet beschikbaar was net zoals veel ander fysiek hardware.🤬
Echt ziek toch ? Ff aan de laptop hangen. Meer was her niet. En dan zeggen nog niet beschikbaar. Alsof het iets was wat nog ontwikkeld moest worden. Compleet Cognitive Warfare. Ze denken gewoon. Iedereen die zo gek was met Covid gelooft dit ook wel. Cashen !!!! Yeah !!!
Pure oplichterij. Knieschijf verschuivend waardig.
En dan ook nog een paar maanden later uitkomen met een nieuwe motor waarbij alle ellende van software en goedkope vering veranderd is. Iedereen die dus een 2022 model had gekocht is letterlijk bestolen. Huft*rs zijn het. Mensen moeten hard werken bij een stupid job om motorijden überhaupt te kunnen betalen. Om ze dan vervolgens ook nog eens zo te gaan rippen is wel heel errug evil.
Maar je zei dat autofabrikanten dit ook zo doen ? Ik ken het alleen van KTM en Husqvarna. Ziekelijk is het.
Ze zouden iedereen dat geld moeten terugbetalen en hun excuses moeten aanbieden.
En vraag mij zelfs af of zulke praktijken überhaupt juridisch wel eens toegestaan zijn ?
Nobody should do business with a company which gelds the on-board capabilities you paid for and holds the unlock codes for ransom. What I'd like to see is some standardization, plug-and-play safety, portability, and utility in the lithium battery pack field. If a 50AH, 72V battery, say, 4,000KWH, on a small e-motorcycle like the Sondors will cost me over half the value of the bike, that's a significant investment. You'd need the power two of those to power a larger electric motorcycle. I'd like that battery or battery or twin pack to be able to be pulled easily and chargeable separately, for urban dwellers who lack an outdoor charge outlet. For homeowners, I'd like that battery pack to also be compatible to serve a pure sine wave inverter as a handy AC power source during outages, and also be able to put it in a riding mower, powered watercraft (outboard or jet-ski), hydraulic log splitter, wood chipper, bandsaw, etc. Why buy multiple batteries for these things and more when you will be using only one of them at a time, or only sporadically? This would significantly lower the carbon end ecologically-damaging mining and battery manufacture processing footprint of e-vehicles. I emailed Zero and asked them if they would be willing to partner with other manufacturers to create an industry standard to power mid-size applications; I never got the courtesy of a response. If a company is unresponsive before the sale, how will the act after the sale? Zero is off my consideration list.
I can always tell when a bike is electric on the highway by all the cars that are passing it. The resale value on these things must be awful. They are always riding by themselves because no one wants to buddy-up with a guy on an electric bike because you won't be going very far, and if it needs charging who wants to wait around for an hour. I see very few of these bikes in Los Angeles where they are made. Once they go out of business good luck find spare parts
Well, i ride mostly also alone. 😅 but not electric. However, thinking about buying a electric bicycle lol
Oh dont worrie zero themselves are not helping their customers ask 10 owners that have had their bikes for 2years and see ..
I own a 21 srf an I respect this video.
You should 😃 The video has nothing to do with the bikes, its more that i dont like it that they sqeeze every penny out of their clients. thats just not cool 😬
yeah, rip off. just import a chinese electric motorcycle and upgrade the controller & motor and install a double lithium battery pack. upgrades will cost about extra $5000 - total cost will be about $10,000 all in.
try to find ccs level 2 charging in a row they trick you
Last year I had the opportunity to test ride a Zero, must admit it’s a fun bike to ride, however the slightly older models looked a bit tatty being all plastic , would I buy one, it’s a no for me ,I’ll stick with the GS Adventure 1250.
Me too 😃
That's the reason why I chose the Energica. ;-)
Pretty sure that model you’re talking about already has the fast charger installed onto the back with that price. Idk why they allow you to select a feature that’s already on that model. PS that model also as access to the entire cyber store already. Don’t need to buy anything on their app when you buy that bike model. It’s all included with that model and price. In the end the bike is very pricey as is. But all the things you’re trying to point out aren’t even relevant to the model at hand. Lol weird
Yeah, they changed it in 2023.
The video is shot in 2022, and as you can see I got the info directly from their website.
I think because of videos like this they changed because it was upsetting people 😃
What is extra radius???
So you can ride it a bit more longer before the battery is empty
Thank you Dutchman Roland!
Riding a BMW CE 04, I never seriously have considered to purchase a (of course smaller and cheaper) Zero because of some of Your reasons.
ive made also a video about the Ce 04. please dont watch it lol
@@TheRideWithRoland I already have. Your point of view is an other than mine. The CE 04 is not for every use case. (For mine it's almost perfect!)
Price change as in some countries as bikes are highly taxed in some vs electric bikes are not, add to that government benefits for insurance and other stuff.
I watched the video till the end, i own a Zero for 2 years bike 112k km battery 48k km and it is like new. Yap like new,.
Take the cost of fuel and maintenance of allllll the bikes you mentioned above (on aggressive driving) the Zero returned its cost alrady.
You r missing the point completely any product can be sold at any price as long as prople continues to by it and apprenly people do. The problem woth Zero is reliability, build quality and service.......all are bad to worst.
And onle ladt thing, who cars what other bikers think of me as long as the bike accelerate like hellll
Thanks for your input.
This video is not against electric bikes, it’s just the way zero seems to squeeze every Penny out of their clients.
You say the build quality, service and reliability is bad, but that’s not something you would expect by a bike this expensive, right?
Plus, I really think the prices second hand will drop fast once the battery had its best time, so the profit you have now will be over a few years be a serious loss. It’s not easy to sell then knowing what bill lays ahead for a battery change.
But that’s not what the video is about. It’s just about they can’t seem to get enough. It’s bad for the client, but also for the whole motorcycle industry since more companies are messing now with DLC. They should have kept that in the gaming world in my opinion, not in bikes or cars. And we must take a stand for that stuff, whatever you ride, don’t you agree? :)
Great job Roland, you've helped us tremendously to make our decision, fuck Zero!!!
Lol 😂
“ People looking weird at you” with a staple in your eyebrow
Lol, well I mean at a bike meeting ;)
Once you add tax and registration fees this will cost more then $40k.. f that..
you can buy a really nice car for that, and in the rain you will regret it that you didnt go for the luxury car lol
I hear you, 2018 Zero SR with power tank...
But, yeah, Cypher is a scam...
At least the power adapter didn’t cost $3500
In app purchase for physical item 😅😅😅
In the future the will add monthly subscription to start your engine
Missed your payment, no throttle for you this month
lol, i dont think it will get that far. infact, because of video's like this people start to complain and slowly we see that they are changing it.
09.30 gmt I have been thinking of getting a zero motorcycle But after listening to this video 😮 I will Not ,l shall keep my 650 Kawasaki which ticks nearly all the boxes.
Lol, Zero is gonna love this video 😂
I would suggest wait a few years :) they are changing the prices and options in some country’s
But, if you do want to buy one, just know there are more brands out there and even Kawasaki is making them. Over a few years every brand has them standard :)
For that amount of money you can buy a honda vfr 1200 dct, Africa twin dct, nc 750 dct
How about a fully specked bmw r1250 gs adventure and then still you have money left
I was like "what the f*ck" in whole video.
Best review about this electric thing
Expensive toys are only for deep pockets. Zero knows exactly how to play that game.
Options are much overpriced -
6kW charger 3000euro - I know they designed it from scratch to fit - but for example 6kW charger in china (very good quality) ip65/67 even with can BUS cost about 800-1200 MAX
cables/evse/adapters 300/500 euro - WTF - good 22kW cable can be bought for about 120, - small evse 13A - wallsocket for about 120 as well, 11kW 3 phase - 200-220 max
yes. Now only the elite can tribute to the green planet. thats weird.
We need Elon Musk to convince to also disrupt the bike scene ;-)
Why do i have to change my battery on 5 years??? 🤯🤯
You don’t, but the life of a Battery is around 5-7 years. Then it will drain faster and faster.
@@TheRideWithRoland sorry, but my experience with ev is not like that 🤷🏻♂️
Youre witnessing the real problem with electric motorcycles. Every km your getting more the price increases exponentially. In defense of the manufacturers, the problem is just the battery technology. For a motorbike you have little space for the battery, so you need a high density and low volume capacity. But also for motorbikes the weight must be low. This leads to the only solution for better range to have batteries with a high lithium proportion, because it has the highest density. But this makes it expensive.
Also we will not see revolution in price and range because there is no better material yet, sodium is only an option for the cars.
With all the information I found about batteries, I guess electric motorbikes will only be useful for city commuting, with ranges around 50-80km, depending on the outside temperature.
For highway commuting it is better to get a cheap e-car. If you ride motorbikes for fun or for traveling, combustion engine will stay the only option (for many years at least).
I totally agree ☝️
I like my 10 year old NC700X. Costs as much as an upgrade from Zero😁, but goes for 350km with one fuel😀
plus, it will last forever. its a honda :D
So ... if you want range and fast charging buy an energica ..yes its wxpensive .. but 90% of people buy it for their company . So basically its at halfprice ! .. i ve had a zerofor 7 years . I know
That beautiful ultraviolette f77 in the intro is going to change everything when it hits the west. I want one of those bad, india knows how to price their bikes properly while still offering good performance
Stopped watching after over a minute of “boy oh boy oh boy oh boy” and “I don’t even know where to start”. Maybe figure that out before expecting us to pay attention.
That is your choice :) you would understand why I start with saying that in the beginning when you watched the whole video :)
Any bike manufacturer could add those and go cheaper and take the market overnight.
thats what i believe also
Electric is smart for commuting for work ive saved alot of money from spending 500 a week on fuel. Its a money saver. There is no resale value on a zero bike...repeat there is no resale value on a zero bike. Its a money loss thats possibly worth 5k and people will not pay more for private buying. Zero is a bad company its a bad bad company.
TL;DR - Lithium is still expensive compared to gasoline...
For a start way too expensive. See where we are in 10 yrs...
indeed :)
Absolutely excellent Roland - made me smile. I'd go even further and say electric is a stop gap until we can get hydrogen. Now riding a bomb will be fun lol
Well, not sure , both are a problem.
There is not enough lithium to make every vehicle electric, and to create hydrogen cost a serious lot of energy. Soooo tell me what the solution is? 🤷♂️
@@TheRideWithRoland there's no solution at the moment we need technology to catch up and provide one.
@@terrysmith-NC750X The technology is here today. Energica have a very interesting offer. It is just a bit too expensive today. It is still a niche for early adopters that are willing to pay extra. Give it a few extra years. Once the big brand start to jump on it, the prices will surely drop. It is just a matter of economies of scale.
@@mmistermusic I'm not convinced by electric the world can't produce enough for every vehicle to run on electric. Plus the infrastructure is not there and will not be. Also the amount of copper required means we will have to mine significantly more just draining the world of a different resource to crude, plus plastic production, lithium the list goes on. There is no alternative at the moment but its for the wealthy. There's lots of development underway with synthetic and sustainable fuels in the aviation world, but they to have the issues. Green hydrogen is a solution but it's not scalable yet and blue still consumes fossil fuels. There's no answer yet, if we can come up with one we will be rich. Hopefully the world will get there. But what do I know.
@@terrysmith-NC750X It will surely require time. We will get there. A few years ago they said the lack of cobalt would be an issue. Now we have batteries without it. Then they said the lack of lithium would be a problem. And several new lithium mines have been discovered. Today we see there is an abundance of lithium. Step by step all problems are being solved. I am optimistic about it. I think the automotive world will look completely different in 10 years. It will not take very long. We are getting to the steep part of the S-curve.
What I find important is that we all try to support this within our own possibilities. The sooner we can get rid of our fossil fuel addiction, the better. I went fully electric: car, heating and motorcycle.
Lol u have to purchase unlock upgrades on ur bike sounds like they went the play to enjoy route sounds like these dam iPhone games
I got the DSR. I’m new to riding so I got this because it’s easy to ride. I get about 150 miles, mostly off highway riding. I love it.
Scam, perhaps, but it's the coming business model. Subscriptions for things that are already built in is bad enough but those things are just as easily deactivated and the excuse is probably going to be much like the computer industry. "We're sorry for the inconvenience but the latest firmware upgrade is not compatible with your model year. Customers were warned to turn off auto updates in a footnote to the announcement of this upgrade which includes a new firmware protection option to prevent this from reoccurring. Thank you for being an XYZ company customer."
thats why this need to be stopped. The more people complain, the sooner it will be gone or other brands step in without those options and sell more.
There's not a chance in hell id pay $30k for a motorcycle. No way.
This video should go viral👊😎
Hee Peer, well it looks like it. Never got so many views in the first few hours. But I really hoped the Vietnam series would do that 😬 they just drop dead the moment I upload them.
@@TheRideWithRoland that's too bad, because they are really entertaining🤗
import electric motorcycles and scooters from India, it's very cheap here and can offer great performance and range.
i believe they do :) Only i am not in the motorcycle selling industry :D
6:05 Zero can not even charge att the fast chargers :D okej, good for the prize, not good for.... your time :D
Zero needs to think in the long term. Screwing your Zero motorcycle riders for maximum profit is not going to endear your riders to the Zero brand. I have read quite a few articles about how Zero must think they are the only game in town. We all know they are not. It also seems that every video I've watched comparing a Zero to a LiveWire, well, the LiveWire makes the Zero seem like doodo. Zero needs to hire some new engineers because their bikes haven't seemed to change in the past 5 or more years. Power Tank is just a bunch of crap. Put that power in the other battery and stop trying to see how stupid your Zero buyers are because they must be mentally challenged to give you crooks a freaking penny.
oh lordy lord, at first I thought you're just ampping up the story.. but the unlock features in the app is just pure greed slime .
Jep, and there is more going on in the motorcycle industry these days what I will expose later on in my channel 😃 so stay tuned
i love electric bikes and i agree the Zero bikes are over priced.
I've got it ! It is ONLY about the fucking price...how about the rest of it!????
? It’s not a review video. 🤷♂️ I clearly say that in the beginning.
It’s not even about the price. It’s how they sell it. If you like that, fine :) but it sounds ridiculous in my ears.
about loosing value - 2020 models cost 16-19k euro (SR/S) and little cheaper for SR/F
few days ago I saw SR/S 2020 premium 6kW charging + 6kW charge tank (total 12kW charging) for 17300 - thats why I am looking for used one - then I can sell it with maybe 1000 loss but I almost certain I will keep it >
In my country is a lot more AC charging points - also AC kWh can be 40-50% cheaper than DC kwh plus sometimes AC points are free - only in my city we have about 7-8 free spots
Ooowee! Looks like Zero is committing suicide! With Harley Davidson’s LiveWire bikes kicking ass at lower (but still HIGH) prices and better tech without upgrades they won’t stand a chance and that stock won’t return any profits. None of these bikes should cost over $15k with such low range distance and time to charge.
i agree :)
Know one's forcing you to buy one . I give Zero a ton of credit for making a go at it . Even at these premium prices they are probably losing money
Why would they? Other brands can make it for a third of the price?
I'm converting my old triumph to electric . It's 8 miles to work and back and the damn thing already has an antique tag.
Totally agreed with you Roland 👍
Thanks Kemadat :)
Software locking is turdy thing to do.
wow
Energica ?
Those are even way more expensive... i was building their topmodel on the site. 45.000 euro hello!
@@TheRideWithRoland not really - ss9+ naked cost 27k eur but it has already DC fast charging, 21,5kWh battery, reverse gear
Need a hacker on this then buy the basic and a nice hacker problem solved
100% sure that this will happen yes :D only they are taking legal actions now, so they can drop the warrenty if that happens
Well,some people are smart and others stupid
lol 😂
Funny video but everything from 07:30 is wrong at best or defamatory (I let you choose), Cypher options are included with 2022 SR/S, F and X.
It cannot be wrong because I got the information from their own website ;)
@@TheRideWithRoland If you say so...
@@SwitzeroRider well, you can see the screenshots I made from their own website. The way I see this all is that zero is squeezing every Penny out of their own clients, while i think they should “reward” every client for taking the brave steps to electric riding (on a motorcycle). Now it’s just going too far with insane prices above all other motorcycle manufacturers and I really would like to know why they do that. So I hope they respond :)
@@TheRideWithRoland I don't discuss your opinion, I just say that the numbers you added up are not what Zero actually charge for a 2022 SR/S since Cypher upgrades are included = FREE for this model
@@SwitzeroRider well, not here in the Netherlands then. I wish I could send you a screenshot but I can’t here in TH-cam. The options I talked about in the video are just here on my screen (I double checked right away after your reply)
What country are you in?
Ktm have shit the bed too on this subject
Yeah, i know, they are next ;)
Have you ridden this bike or do you like to hear yourself chatter.
If you saw the video then you would know it’s not about the bike, but the company.
And if you ride one, then maybe you should watch this.
Maybe you should watch video’s first before you give your useless comments on TH-cam. ;)
@@TheRideWithRoland Unfortunately I watched the whole video. Just the constant chatter is useless. Nothing in the video that you can't read for yourself. If you want to make videos about all the companies that ask for money, you still have to babble a lot. Have lots of fun with it. I prefer to ride.
@@gww8026 well, we are all waiting for your videos then, you seem to know how to make them. 🤷♂️
You are missing the point of my video. It’s about what companies do these days and it’s got to stop. And it only stops when people know about and complain about it.
Just make sure you don’t watch my travel video’s. There is humor and talking in it. Just saying 😂
@@TheRideWithRoland At least when I watch your videos I know how not to do it. I can't babble that much at a time either. Just call Zero Europe or go there. They're in the Netherlands. There you can lament your suffering. Or apply for a publicity job so they sell less.
@@gww8026 you probably also bought a T-shirt with “I love zero” ;)
For 5k extra i can get a tesla
This video is misleading about Zero MC
And why is that? Because you own one?