I thought it was 100 or 10K? I don’t speak or understand Spanish maybe that’s why, also what has Arthur been doing? Dutch and Javier both have 1K while Arthur has 5K, why, how? Why don’t the Pinkertons go after Arthur if he has the bigger bounty.
@@Gingersnap_Adventuresif you go after dutch the gang is basically done once he's captured. He's the only leader besides Matthews and dutch is the boss while Arthur is just the enforcer
@@Gingersnap_Adventures to my knowledge that $1000 wanted poster for dutch was long-since outdated, and by the time of the events of the game his bounty was likely much much more. Additionally it is possible that the Pinkertons just made up a number for arthur to scare him, in my opinion if the bounty on his head alone was truly that high then it would have made much more sense for them to take him in right there.
I hate it when I get off my horse in a certain story mission I’m covered in guns. I’d like to pack light because I’m confident in my skill with a pistol, if I feel I need a rifle I’ll grab a damn rifle.
Yeah, it's the reason I'm constantly having to put guns back on my horse. It breaks the immersion for me to carry the entire US military arsenal on my back when a pistol and sawed off shotgun are usually enough.
Yeah, it's the reason I'm constantly having to put guns back on my horse. It breaks the immersion for me to carry the entire US military arsenal on my back when a pistol and sawed off shotgun are usually enough.
Yeah, it's the reason I'm constantly having to put guns back on my horse. It breaks the immersion for me to carry the entire US military arsenal on my back when a pistol and sawed off shotgun are usually enough.
I can't stand those "everything wrong with..." videos. They're all just word-salad, hot-takes delivered with a condescending tone. Aside from burying valid criticisms, they demonstrate the disconnect between someone who just consumes media and someone who creates. Every artistic project, especially RDR, has a brief and goal. Every decision, when made correctly, serves that goal and fulfills that brief, plain and simple. For instance, If you don't like it that the blackwater heist never gets expanded on, thats because only 10% of those details are relative to the player experience as well as the story they are trying to tell. They's an economy within storytelling, and only the important details need to be elevated to the player's attention at the end of the day.
@@thewanderingronin1924 Not really, because Cinema Sins more often then not claims that the EWW videos are serious reviews/critics of whatever movie the video is about.
@@thewanderingronin1924 this is why I love Wow Such Gaming's EWW vids, he balances genuine critiques and "sins" of zombie movies/games with a bit of fun and the occasional win
also, Javier is wanted for a 1000 bucks in Mexico already, he'd be endangering his family, alongside bringing unwanted attention to the gang assuming literally anyone who looks at bounty posters to watch out for criminals saw him
If you read his Damm description on the promo art it says that he's wanted basically dead and his family is basically at gunpoint he escaped to America because he would have had his family killed he had no choice
and in the first newspaper you can buy there is an article that says that both the dictator of mexico and the president of the usa sent troops to the border so the gang would have had to pass through two armies to get there
18:25 more specifically, I'm pretty sure by this point they still think cigarettes are good for you. I think I remember someone once saying that the doc might be smoking to protect himself from the TB even, but I could be wrong about that.
I have heard that they originally used cigarettes to prevent or treat TB, but I don't know if that's true. I can kinda see the mistaken logic of it, I guess.
I think Dutch insists on making more money bc he was hurt that he had to leave behind the black water money so I personally believe he wanted to get that much money
I always saw it like it was in Breaking Bad how in season 2 or 3 Walt scolds Jesse for complaining when he’s a millionaire but when Jesse and Mike wanna retire on 5 million dollars in season 5 Walter says that 5 million is nothing and they can get way more. So in Walt/Dutch’s eyes why retire on 5 million/ $7000 when you can keep the snowball going and retire on 100 million/$100000? But of course once they get to that point they’ll say that’s chump change too and want more and more until it kills them. The money’s more of an excuse if anything they just like the thrill of it really
For the part where the agents find Arthur fishing and anything else to do with distance, the world is physically scaled down from its true size. The regions represent entire states despite the fact that we can cross one in just a few minutes
And it's not intrusive at all, I was big into it at the first half, and then the second half I was super into playing out the main missions so I stopped doing more of that stuff, and it was extremely easy to maintain your horse and yourself if you don't care about the system. Hell you can just feed your horse a damn carrot while riding and it'll basically be good for a month lol
12:40 adding on to your statement, if you check the Saint Denis newspaper, (I forgot when) you can see that it says something about the gang being associates of the Braithwaites. I’m sure that the Grays weren’t that stupid and figured out that they were being played.
6:28 In all seriousness, Dutch told Arthur "No crazy business". Dutch wanted Arthur to just loosen Lenny up, since he was a bit riled up after escaping the law, and Arthur even said "Just one drink". They never had the intent of getting fully drunk, but they didn’t stop. He talks like you can't go to a bar without leaving completely drunk.
John’s hair in epilogue is the biggest complaint I have about this game, as-well as all of the cut content related to John. If they can add the LeMat, and m1899 in story mode, then why can’t they add John Marston’s original hair with 7 lengths?!
Some people say that Dutch didn't actually want to go to Tahiti or Australia, and simply said that to boost the gang's morale. In reality he had become addicted to the gang life, the money, and the thrill it provided. Which is why even with millions of dollars on hand, Dutch still says its not enough to go to Tahiti. The real sin is why nobody questions it.
This guy is the same dude who complained about the game being too linear. This dude needs a second play through just taking it slow and doing every side mission/random event.
not only that 1 extra sin for an ugly outfit your tellin me that you couldn't even figure out style with all the money the main story gives you its enough to literally buy every clothing option in the game
15:10 I always took this as a cool bit of writing. Brontë is perceived as this invincible figure. He calls Saint Denis “his city” at the party he’s constantly talking down about the people there. He’s shown to have a massive ego and thinks nothing of Dutch and his gang. So I always saw his gun not working as a play on his own arrogance that he’s so full of himself and believes himself to be so invincible that he’s never had to shoot his gun and either didn’t load it or just has no idea how to use it because he has never had his life threatened before. Idk I could be completely wrong but hey so was dartigan.
26:08 It actually is mentioned. In the Epilogue after you've completed the story there'll be a conversation with Abigail if you greet her at the right time where she alludes to being pregnant. She won't directly say she's pregnant and John will act like he doesn't really understand her hints. I assume the daughter was born and died between 1907 and 1911
Also Arthur nearly drowning at sea and his time spent in Guarma and getting tourtured by Colm speed up his TB symptoms. If he lived a normal life his symptoms probably wouldn't show up so soon.
I like to go back to these old vids. I’d say I’m a fairly new fan and haven’t seen these 8 month old videos so it’s nice to turn back time to the good old days.
About Abigail and John not mentioning their dead daughter, when you capture Javier alive, in the cutscene, he says "I hope you and you wife and children rot in hell" it probably means he heard about them having a second child but he didn't find out about her death, further proving they had a second child between the epilogue of rdr2 and before rdr, even if she died before the epilogue, why would either of them mention the death?(Side note: I miss the old thumbnails)
Didn’t Sadie mention at the end of American venom? That the money from black water was in the cabin? Meaning that you do eventually get all of the money one of the soul surviving members of the Vanderlinde gang?
Yo I love yours and ClownPuncher's vids I'm so glad that his videos inspired you to do this. You two are really underrated so I love that you know of him
Counterpoint for the needing more money than the first bank robbery, I don’t think Dutch’s plan was to get only enough money to move and somehow continue making money after they left, as it would most likely end in them just being in trouble again and having to flee yet another country to avoid the law. I think he wanted enough money for them to never need to worry about committing crimes in any of their lifetimes. That money from the first bank robbery, while a lot in that time, would be nowhere close to enough to support every member for the rest of their life without forcing them to resort back to their old ways.
Great video, really enjoyed it. at 21:44 when you talking about what Arthur said earlier in the game, my mind instantly went to the sandwich line he made in chapter 2 lol. If he wasn't to busy making sandwiches he would understand why.
The only things i hate about this game is the outfit system being very sloppily programed only in story mode. And activating cheats completley removing your ability to save even if you deactivate the cheat.
9:00 The entire scene, especially the way it's framed is a direct copy/ reference to the movie "The Assassination of Jesse James by the coward Robert Ford". That's why this scene stands out so much
@6:32 If you read Arthur's journal he admits that the evening got out of hand and he intended to just have a few drinks but that's the way it just goes sometimes.
Love how he complained about not getting blackwater explained, then not even a few minutes later complains about how keeping Johns scars a mystery would have been better Edit: and 2 seconds later you say the same thing
blackwater massacre isnt explained because to keep players in mystery and make theories, but there is camp dialogues which explains something , people dont play and explore the game properly and complain , there is a bunch campfire stories about John himself , some blackwater massacre etc
i enjoyed this video. red dead redemption 2 is a perfect game with no flaws whatsoever (we're not talking about ch.5) and there is nothing that anyone can do to change my mind.
10:28 imo, i would say this is a perfect example that Dutch never really planned to move to Tahiti, he just wanted to rob and kill because its his nature.
They will never make me hate chapter 5. Sure, it lacks content, but managing to make a coherent plot to have cowboys be castaways after a bank robbery gone wrong just adds to the epic odyssey Arthur and the van der linde gang went through. also, how guarma made Arthur's health worsen and doubting his faith on Dutch and his ideals adds well to the story, so that chapter has important story beats that add to the main plot.
More on John's daughter, I'm pretty sure John mentions in RDR1 that she was stillborn, or at the very least that she died young. This is evidenced by there being a cradle in the attic of Beecher's Hope in RDR1 that wasn't present in 2's epilogue (at least to my knowledge), hinting that they were expecting a child sometime between the events of RDR2's epilogue and RDR1.
15:09 Also, I'm pretty sure Mauser pistols are known to jam... at least I think so. I remember the guy who does the 'Everything Great About' series mentioning that
At 10:26 at that point in the story Dutch didn’t even ant to leave the country he wanted to move out west so that explains it and I thought it was 20000
Karen and Bill were both in Valentine and known to some extent. Bill started the fight in the Valentine saloon the most popular place in town. Which is talked about by everyone in town. Arthur Javier Charles and Bill were the ones dominating in the fight so they’re probably more known for that. Karen went off to find leads in the saloon with Tilly and Marybeth so she probably talked to almost everyone in the saloon and goes off to the hotel with the man who worked at the Valentine bank (not confirmed but implied). The hotel owner takes note of her since if you ask him if she’s there he’ll confirm it. Valentine is a small town so it’s not a stretch to believe that people would talk about the man who started a bar fight and a woman going around and talking to all the men in the saloon.
1:41 yea. This is where I stopped watching the original video. Knowing what really went down on the ferry in backwater takes the entire mystery of the series out. Not knowing what happened exponentially increases the players interest in the event. And the fact that the gang members who were there do their best to avoid discussing it further this. lol and then he gets mad at the origin of John’s scar. Leading me to believe that if they had fully explained the ferry job he would’ve had several nitpicks for that explanation as well. Lol.
10:25 I always saw the amount of money given as a great ludonarrative way to show that Dutch is not really in it for the money, and uses it as an excuse to do what he wants. I mean just look at how many times Dutch prefers to revenge/ego kill someone over getting money. He kills Bronte after they already have him for ransom. And He kills the old woman and doesn't even take the gold back. Just to name a few examples. I actually really like the money in RDR2 for several reasons, narratively it gives that hint, and gameplay-wise it allows majority of players to have most access to the game and it's features, and even makes it that much easier for players to start giving much more to others once Arthur realizes how sick he is.
The thing with Micah being rat but Pinkertons not immediately coming to camp, i have an observation. I think Pinkertons were telling Micah to suck up to and manipulate Dutch to cause more chaos to increase the bounty reward for Dutch, he probably suggested the idea of creating "more noise". When we visit Micah's camp near Strawberry, there is a Dutch bounty poster, so he was planning everything all along.
On Arthur’s TB.. he very likely contracted it from Downes when acting as Strauss’ strongman, collecting debts. I just replayed it and even if you don’t hit Downes, he still spits blood into Arthur’s face no matter what you do. I tried to go back the next day and the only person there is a rancher and his dog.
One sin that irritates me is that the game forces you to take two long guns into certain missions. It kinda ruins the cinematic moments for me when Arthur fighting through the oil field or Braithwaite Manor but he’s encumbered by a rifle and shotgun on his back. actually I think Braithwaite manor lets you put them back on your horse but I know it forces you to take them during Bronte’s house.
24:57 I remember in one of the editions in the game if you lose the horse that came with it you can still get it back for free at any stables, he was probably joking
“Urgh I hate it when a game constantly teases a mystery but doesn’t give me all the details” Also “I hate it when a game gives me all the details of a mystery, it ruins the mystery” Not even a MINUTE later, like which is it?!
25:21 the reason why john doesn’t mention Arthur at all is 1 Arthur didn’t exist and 2 the strange man says “you’ve forgotten far more important people than me” hinting that John forgot about Arthur somhow
17:22 Another reason they can’t go to blackwater is because the gang has money there, so the pinkertons would expect them to show up and get the money, but they have no logical reason to go back to saint denis
Why? For either. Do the Pinkertons know that they left behind the money in blackwater, while also knowing that they didn’t leave behind the gold in Saint Denis. With how absolutely botched the second robbery went, Saint Denis should have been as inaccessible as blackwater was. If anything after chapter 5, it woulda made more sense for blackwater to open back up, considering the Vanderlin gang was last located halfway across the country
14:42 concealed carry was actuality more common because there where rules back then too and many just dint want to go through the trouble of visiting the sherif every time they went to a new town to be able to open carry, same goes for most people that dint want others to know that they had a gun, cowboys and ranshers on the other hand almost always open carried becouse it was thier ransh.
2:24 I'll agree with Dartigan on this one. It should have just been setup like in most modern games where you gently push the left analog stick to walk, push all the way to move at full speed, and click the left stick to sprint. No reason why that couldn't have been the case and there's also no reason why your horses couldn't control that way either. Trying to portray realism is cool and all but it shouldn't come at the expense of the players frustration. 25:18 That's true but it doesn't change the fact that Red Dead 1 now feels really awkward with absolutely no mention of Arthur at all especially since you not only play as John, the man he saw as a brother but Dutch is one of the villains, the man they both saw as a father. Is it understandable, yes but it's no less weird and of putting.
19:50 also that Scene was meant to show you that dutch is jusr genuinely lying for his own sake. He doesnt care if he himself brings hell itself unto the gang but he blames you for something that HAD to be done
I disagree with the notion that Dutch needing more money doesn't make any sense. Remember, Dutch is VERY vague and private with how much money the gang has, and how much they need. Dutch does not ACTUALLY want to escape to Tahiti, he wants vengeance on society. The money is just the carrot he dangles in front of the others to keep them in line. He likely had enough money in chapter 3 at least, but that's not the point. He wasn't done with Cornwall, or Colm or so on by that point.
Alr quick question:What has Arthur been doing? Dutch and Javier both have 1K while Arthur has 5K, why, how? Why don’t the Pinkertons go after Arthur if he has the bigger bounty.
@@dukemeiser19 fair but how much was Dutch’s bounty in rdr1? I have rdr1 just haven’t played it since the graphics are weird and the controls are wonky especially with the horses. Also love ur content ur hilarious
@@dukemeiser19 wasn’t the Bureau already hunting him? Milton and Ross wouldn’t have appeared in the mission “A Fisher Of Men” if they weren’t hunting him?
@@Gingersnap_Adventures That is the pinkerton detective agency, which is a private hired militia. Cornwall was technically hunting him, not the US gov.
Regarding the sins between John's scars versus the Blackwater heist, yes, you can have it both ways. RDR2 turns out no differently if John did or did not get his scars during the events of the game, hence the pointlessness of the scar origin. The Blackwater heist events lift massive amounts of both games' stories driving the Pinkertons to hunt Dutch and company.
@@dukemeiser19 I do agree with the Blackwater heist needing to be a mystery for the purposes of Arthur throughout the first four acts of RDR2 and thus a narratively legitimate reason for maintaining the mystery for the player. An RDR1 player already knows The Strange Man's claim and a new RDR player should have just enough information withheld to share Arthur's perspective. But Acts 5 and 6 should absolutely see Arthur getting the full story.
One small criticism of the video was the background music which sometimes can be a bit distracting But other than that, great video and as a huge RDR2 fan, you have anothet subscribe from me🔥
I really like the "everything wrong " format of videos. I just wish most creators didn't pull non existing sins out of their bumm to make the videos longer
11:00 just confuses me. I thought it was made clear that the braithwaite lady wanted Hosea to give out the shin edit free to make life hard for the grays with a bunch of drunks in the town?
26:02 correct me if I’m Wrong but this is more just a minor slip up John does go to strawberry to break Arthur out of prison if you get arrested there though you could not see his face he still technically go there
Idk if it's correct, but i have heard you need to equip a knife in order for John to say "how do you think i got these scars?" But again, i've never heard that line while playing, as i literally have only seen wolves in that one mission with Jack.
Everything wrong with everything wrong with everything with Red Dead Redemption 2 Sin 1: Sinning a valid criticism about overshooting the valid area of interaction and calling it a "skill issue" Sin 2: Arthur is already starting to doubt Dutch at that point in the story, possibly John as well by now. Its not that far fetched that they would start questioning him Total: 2 Good job keeping it clean!
every red dead fan knows exactly how to quickly find the sweet spot for a prompt to appear
Same with any gta player
I love my Dark Bay Turkoman and Rose grey Andalusian in chapter 2 :)
He seriously sinned Arthur’s death. He deserved more sins
I had to hold back
@@dukemeiser19 never hold back
@@silvergamer7250 let the rate consume me
@@dukemeiser19 so what would have been the real sin then?
@@maxgamer553 Luna
"why not go to Mexico" meanwhile Javier's bounty of $1000 in Mexico
Speedy type bounty
I thought it was 100 or 10K? I don’t speak or understand Spanish maybe that’s why, also what has Arthur been doing? Dutch and Javier both have 1K while Arthur has 5K, why, how? Why don’t the Pinkertons go after Arthur if he has the bigger bounty.
@@Gingersnap_Adventuresif you go after dutch the gang is basically done once he's captured. He's the only leader besides Matthews and dutch is the boss while Arthur is just the enforcer
@@MeepMacArthur fair point.
@@Gingersnap_Adventures to my knowledge that $1000 wanted poster for dutch was long-since outdated, and by the time of the events of the game his bounty was likely much much more.
Additionally it is possible that the Pinkertons just made up a number for arthur to scare him, in my opinion if the bounty on his head alone was truly that high then it would have made much more sense for them to take him in right there.
The only thing that really pisses me off in this game is automatically holstering weapons on my horse.
@@DogOfWar64 this honestly
I hate it when I get off my horse in a certain story mission I’m covered in guns. I’d like to pack light because I’m confident in my skill with a pistol, if I feel I need a rifle I’ll grab a damn rifle.
Yeah, it's the reason I'm constantly having to put guns back on my horse. It breaks the immersion for me to carry the entire US military arsenal on my back when a pistol and sawed off shotgun are usually enough.
Yeah, it's the reason I'm constantly having to put guns back on my horse. It breaks the immersion for me to carry the entire US military arsenal on my back when a pistol and sawed off shotgun are usually enough.
Yeah, it's the reason I'm constantly having to put guns back on my horse. It breaks the immersion for me to carry the entire US military arsenal on my back when a pistol and sawed off shotgun are usually enough.
I can't stand those "everything wrong with..." videos. They're all just word-salad, hot-takes delivered with a condescending tone. Aside from burying valid criticisms, they demonstrate the disconnect between someone who just consumes media and someone who creates. Every artistic project, especially RDR, has a brief and goal. Every decision, when made correctly, serves that goal and fulfills that brief, plain and simple. For instance, If you don't like it that the blackwater heist never gets expanded on, thats because only 10% of those details are relative to the player experience as well as the story they are trying to tell. They's an economy within storytelling, and only the important details need to be elevated to the player's attention at the end of the day.
Very true I didn’t even include like half the sins because they were really stupid
I don't know much about Dartigan but most content creators that does EWW videos are joking and should never be taken serious
@@thewanderingronin1924 Not really, because Cinema Sins more often then not claims that the EWW videos are serious reviews/critics of whatever movie the video is about.
@@FenOrSmthing I know that’s why I said most are joking I meant eww content creators like GCN,syi infinite, Gamingsins,etc
@@thewanderingronin1924 this is why I love Wow Such Gaming's EWW vids, he balances genuine critiques and "sins" of zombie movies/games with a bit of fun and the occasional win
also, Javier is wanted for a 1000 bucks in Mexico already, he'd be endangering his family, alongside bringing unwanted attention to the gang assuming literally anyone who looks at bounty posters to watch out for criminals saw him
very true
If you read his Damm description on the promo art it says that he's wanted basically dead and his family is basically at gunpoint he escaped to America because he would have had his family killed he had no choice
and in the first newspaper you can buy there is an article that says that both the dictator of mexico and the president of the usa sent troops to the border so the gang would have had to pass through two armies to get there
18:25 more specifically, I'm pretty sure by this point they still think cigarettes are good for you. I think I remember someone once saying that the doc might be smoking to protect himself from the TB even, but I could be wrong about that.
It was until like the 60s and 70s they found out it contributed to lung cancer
Even if they did know they contributed to was lung cancer, they didnt have a cure, so im.sure the doc wouldnt care
I have heard that they originally used cigarettes to prevent or treat TB, but I don't know if that's true. I can kinda see the mistaken logic of it, I guess.
I think Dutch insists on making more money bc he was hurt that he had to leave behind the black water money so I personally believe he wanted to get that much money
Or probably Because Dutch wanted power and The felling of fighting The american system that he rejects
I always saw it like it was in Breaking Bad how in season 2 or 3 Walt scolds Jesse for complaining when he’s a millionaire but when Jesse and Mike wanna retire on 5 million dollars in season 5 Walter says that 5 million is nothing and they can get way more. So in Walt/Dutch’s eyes why retire on 5 million/ $7000 when you can keep the snowball going and retire on 100 million/$100000? But of course once they get to that point they’ll say that’s chump change too and want more and more until it kills them. The money’s more of an excuse if anything they just like the thrill of it really
He… I N S I S T S?!
For the part where the agents find Arthur fishing and anything else to do with distance, the world is physically scaled down from its true size. The regions represent entire states despite the fact that we can cross one in just a few minutes
5:10 no shot he just dissed the horse care system, that is deadass one of the top things i love ab this game
He hates immersive gameplay
The balls shrink in the snow. I don’t see a problem here.
@@MeepMacArthurhe hates everything apparentally
And it's not intrusive at all, I was big into it at the first half, and then the second half I was super into playing out the main missions so I stopped doing more of that stuff, and it was extremely easy to maintain your horse and yourself if you don't care about the system.
Hell you can just feed your horse a damn carrot while riding and it'll basically be good for a month lol
12:40 adding on to your statement, if you check the Saint Denis newspaper, (I forgot when) you can see that it says something about the gang being associates of the Braithwaites. I’m sure that the Grays weren’t that stupid and figured out that they were being played.
RDR2 is full of so much detail I never knew that
7:05 canonically 3 weeks have passed since Strauss started the usury business at the beginning of chapter 2
Only thing i outwardly hate in the game is when a scripted event replaces my fully upgraded weapon with a stock version of the same weapon
6:28
In all seriousness, Dutch told Arthur "No crazy business". Dutch wanted Arthur to just loosen Lenny up, since he was a bit riled up after escaping the law, and Arthur even said "Just one drink". They never had the intent of getting fully drunk, but they didn’t stop. He talks like you can't go to a bar without leaving completely drunk.
yep
John’s hair in epilogue is the biggest complaint I have about this game, as-well as all of the cut content related to John.
If they can add the LeMat, and m1899 in story mode, then why can’t they add John Marston’s original hair with 7 lengths?!
@@OwenC08 true
fr
John’s character model is overall just bad in the epilogue.
Some people say that Dutch didn't actually want to go to Tahiti or Australia, and simply said that to boost the gang's morale.
In reality he had become addicted to the gang life, the money, and the thrill it provided. Which is why even with millions of dollars on hand, Dutch still says its not enough to go to Tahiti. The real sin is why nobody questions it.
Also the fact that it costs a few thousand to send someone over to Tahiti I think but we won’t talk about that.
it shouldnt have any sin, actually. because there is a very clear explanation to why they dont question it: loyalty
Dutch also has the money stashed away in a chest, it's probably easy to lie about how much you actually have
This guy is the same dude who complained about the game being too linear. This dude needs a second play through just taking it slow and doing every side mission/random event.
He needs to make up at least something to go against the work of art that is this game
not only that 1 extra sin for an ugly outfit your tellin me that you couldn't even figure out style with all the money the main story gives you its enough to literally buy every clothing option in the game
Darti was tripping
15:10 I always took this as a cool bit of writing. Brontë is perceived as this invincible figure. He calls Saint Denis “his city” at the party he’s constantly talking down about the people there. He’s shown to have a massive ego and thinks nothing of Dutch and his gang. So I always saw his gun not working as a play on his own arrogance that he’s so full of himself and believes himself to be so invincible that he’s never had to shoot his gun and either didn’t load it or just has no idea how to use it because he has never had his life threatened before. Idk I could be completely wrong but hey so was dartigan.
@@OliveBead that’s a great analysis 👍
26:08 It actually is mentioned. In the Epilogue after you've completed the story there'll be a conversation with Abigail if you greet her at the right time where she alludes to being pregnant. She won't directly say she's pregnant and John will act like he doesn't really understand her hints. I assume the daughter was born and died between 1907 and 1911
Yes
doesnt john mention his daughter in 1907?
Also Arthur nearly drowning at sea and his time spent in Guarma and getting tourtured by Colm speed up his TB symptoms. If he lived a normal life his symptoms probably wouldn't show up so soon.
no
@@dukemeiser19 technically tb does get worse with heat so uhh arthur don't feel too good
Exactly, even I felt the same.
Him complaining that Arthur isn’t racist/judgy & then saying the other character that dislikes cubans was TOO outwardly racist?? 💀💀
crazy
The sin counter sound effect should be the low honor sound effect, great video lol
damn wish i considered that
as well as high honor when he reverses a sin
I like to go back to these old vids. I’d say I’m a fairly new fan and haven’t seen these 8 month old videos so it’s nice to turn back time to the good old days.
About Abigail and John not mentioning their dead daughter, when you capture Javier alive, in the cutscene, he says "I hope you and you wife and children rot in hell" it probably means he heard about them having a second child but he didn't find out about her death, further proving they had a second child between the epilogue of rdr2 and before rdr, even if she died before the epilogue, why would either of them mention the death?(Side note: I miss the old thumbnails)
I like these ones better they make the video stand out
Didn’t Sadie mention at the end of American venom? That the money from black water was in the cabin? Meaning that you do eventually get all of the money one of the soul surviving members of the Vanderlinde gang?
In a technicality yes
The black water money is 150 thousand which means if we (the player) are left with 20 thousand that means John’s mortgage is 130 THOUSAND DOLLARS.
No way that ranch and home is worth 5.5 million dollars today, he probably just stored the money somewhere@@Gingersnap_Adventures
@@Gingersnap_AdventuresIm assuming he gave a good chunk to Sadie and Charles
@@Gingersnap_Adventures the money is split amongst Charles Sadie and John equally.
Yo I love yours and ClownPuncher's vids I'm so glad that his videos inspired you to do this. You two are really underrated so I love that you know of him
I’ve been a longtime viewer of Clownpuncher, thanks for the support 🙌
26:15 he does kinda have a point since Javier does know about John's daughter in rdr1
Counterpoint for the needing more money than the first bank robbery, I don’t think Dutch’s plan was to get only enough money to move and somehow continue making money after they left, as it would most likely end in them just being in trouble again and having to flee yet another country to avoid the law. I think he wanted enough money for them to never need to worry about committing crimes in any of their lifetimes. That money from the first bank robbery, while a lot in that time, would be nowhere close to enough to support every member for the rest of their life without forcing them to resort back to their old ways.
Pretty much
Great video, really enjoyed it. at 21:44 when you talking about what Arthur said earlier in the game, my mind instantly went to the sandwich line he made in chapter 2 lol. If he wasn't to busy making sandwiches he would understand why.
Dude must’ve ODed on sandwiches. Thanks for the support 🙏
16:32 i can attest to that i have sat in two diffrent wood chairs that had been in my family for since before I was born and them shits broke randomly
The only things i hate about this game is the outfit system being very sloppily programed only in story mode. And activating cheats completley removing your ability to save even if you deactivate the cheat.
9:00 The entire scene, especially the way it's framed is a direct copy/ reference to the movie "The Assassination of Jesse James by the coward Robert Ford". That's why this scene stands out so much
@6:32 If you read Arthur's journal he admits that the evening got out of hand and he intended to just have a few drinks but that's the way it just goes sometimes.
Love how he complained about not getting blackwater explained, then not even a few minutes later complains about how keeping Johns scars a mystery would have been better
Edit: and 2 seconds later you say the same thing
These sins channels are mid ASF
blackwater massacre isnt explained because to keep players in mystery and make theories, but there is camp dialogues which explains something , people dont play and explore the game properly and complain , there is a bunch campfire stories about John himself , some blackwater massacre etc
i enjoyed this video. red dead redemption 2 is a perfect game with no flaws whatsoever (we're not talking about ch.5) and there is nothing that anyone can do to change my mind.
Thanks man I saw the abomination of an EWW video and just had to defend RDR2
Its not not but good for you man
interpret text better
@@candles6103 it’s pretty damn close no open world captures the immersion that this game has
@@lorealiiiii John’s looks in the Epilogue is the one thing holding this game back from a 10 in my eyes
10:28
imo, i would say this is a perfect example that Dutch never really planned to move to Tahiti, he just wanted to rob and kill because its his nature.
They will never make me hate chapter 5. Sure, it lacks content, but managing to make a coherent plot to have cowboys be castaways after a bank robbery gone wrong just adds to the epic odyssey Arthur and the van der linde gang went through. also, how guarma made Arthur's health worsen and doubting his faith on Dutch and his ideals adds well to the story, so that chapter has important story beats that add to the main plot.
18:20 also going to guarma, a very humid and hot island doesnt help with your tuberculosis
no bueno
13:44 and Javier mentions how he can't go back to Mexico because the price on his head is too big. The gang wouldn't risk losing Javier.
pretty much
More on John's daughter, I'm pretty sure John mentions in RDR1 that she was stillborn, or at the very least that she died young. This is evidenced by there being a cradle in the attic of Beecher's Hope in RDR1 that wasn't present in 2's epilogue (at least to my knowledge), hinting that they were expecting a child sometime between the events of RDR2's epilogue and RDR1.
26:22 also Abigail is seen knitting for a baby and when John asks what it’s for Abigail says “You’ll see”
15:09 Also, I'm pretty sure Mauser pistols are known to jam... at least I think so. I remember the guy who does the 'Everything Great About' series mentioning that
true
Damn does the original sinner working for ign him not caring for the games story tells me he might be a ceo😂😂😂 btw you're videos are great 10/10
he MIGHT be a IGN federale 🤫
bro is the final boss
For 18:05 i think some time skips say that a few months passed, one that i am specifically thinking of is after arthur is kidnapped by colm
No way arthur was kidnapped for months. If that was true then it would've been a bigger deal lmao
@@maazuponvelocity I said after Arthur was kidnapped
At 10:26 at that point in the story Dutch didn’t even ant to leave the country he wanted to move out west so that explains it and I thought it was 20000
True
Karen and Bill were both in Valentine and known to some extent.
Bill started the fight in the Valentine saloon the most popular place in town. Which is talked about by everyone in town. Arthur Javier Charles and Bill were the ones dominating in the fight so they’re probably more known for that.
Karen went off to find leads in the saloon with Tilly and Marybeth so she probably talked to almost everyone in the saloon and goes off to the hotel with the man who worked at the Valentine bank (not confirmed but implied). The hotel owner takes note of her since if you ask him if she’s there he’ll confirm it.
Valentine is a small town so it’s not a stretch to believe that people would talk about the man who started a bar fight and a woman going around and talking to all the men in the saloon.
23:19 well, this is due to there being a train robbery in almost every rocktar game except bully
1:41 yea. This is where I stopped watching the original video. Knowing what really went down on the ferry in backwater takes the entire mystery of the series out. Not knowing what happened exponentially increases the players interest in the event. And the fact that the gang members who were there do their best to avoid discussing it further this.
lol and then he gets mad at the origin of John’s scar. Leading me to believe that if they had fully explained the ferry job he would’ve had several nitpicks for that explanation as well. Lol.
yea the hypocrisy was not good
10:25
I always saw the amount of money given as a great ludonarrative way to show that Dutch is not really in it for the money, and uses it as an excuse to do what he wants.
I mean just look at how many times Dutch prefers to revenge/ego kill someone over getting money. He kills Bronte after they already have him for ransom. And He kills the old woman and doesn't even take the gold back. Just to name a few examples.
I actually really like the money in RDR2 for several reasons, narratively it gives that hint, and gameplay-wise it allows majority of players to have most access to the game and it's features, and even makes it that much easier for players to start giving much more to others once Arthur realizes how sick he is.
The thing with Micah being rat but Pinkertons not immediately coming to camp, i have an observation.
I think Pinkertons were telling Micah to suck up to and manipulate Dutch to cause more chaos to increase the bounty reward for Dutch, he probably suggested the idea of creating "more noise".
When we visit Micah's camp near Strawberry, there is a Dutch bounty poster, so he was planning everything all along.
12:23 actually it's not really about shooting skills. Colm walks in without major gun support. It would be risky to capture them at that moment
This channel is SOOOO UNDERRATED, we need to reach 100K before 2024
That’d be amazing, thanks for the support 👌
On Arthur’s TB.. he very likely contracted it from Downes when acting as Strauss’ strongman, collecting debts. I just replayed it and even if you don’t hit Downes, he still spits blood into Arthur’s face no matter what you do. I tried to go back the next day and the only person there is a rancher and his dog.
One sin that irritates me is that the game forces you to take two long guns into certain missions. It kinda ruins the cinematic moments for me when Arthur fighting through the oil field or Braithwaite Manor but he’s encumbered by a rifle and shotgun on his back. actually I think Braithwaite manor lets you put them back on your horse but I know it forces you to take them during Bronte’s house.
Arthur’s not as sneaky as I thought
27:53 "his consequenes have actions" just saw that
Abigail will remember that
0:30 don’t worry you aren’t responsible for my actions
Only thing wrong is I can't cross the road without getting hit by a cart
12:44 absolute comedic gold.
10:15 the total amount can be up to 20,000 dollars if you did the job silently
24:57 I remember in one of the editions in the game if you lose the horse that came with it you can still get it back for free at any stables, he was probably joking
if he compñained about taking care of the horse i wonder what he thought of the starter bike in Days Gone
1:51 The auto-aim is also only a console thing, i mean, have you seen what people do with the quikdraws on PC?
“Urgh I hate it when a game constantly teases a mystery but doesn’t give me all the details”
Also
“I hate it when a game gives me all the details of a mystery, it ruins the mystery”
Not even a MINUTE later, like which is it?!
contradictions on top of contradictions
25:21 the reason why john doesn’t mention Arthur at all is 1 Arthur didn’t exist and 2 the strange man says “you’ve forgotten far more important people than me” hinting that John forgot about Arthur somhow
plus the obvious but it’s a nice idea
@@dukemeiser19 ya
17:22 Another reason they can’t go to blackwater is because the gang has money there, so the pinkertons would expect them to show up and get the money, but they have no logical reason to go back to saint denis
Why? For either. Do the Pinkertons know that they left behind the money in blackwater, while also knowing that they didn’t leave behind the gold in Saint Denis. With how absolutely botched the second robbery went, Saint Denis should have been as inaccessible as blackwater was. If anything after chapter 5, it woulda made more sense for blackwater to open back up, considering the Vanderlin gang was last located halfway across the country
14:42 concealed carry was actuality more common because there where rules back then too and many just dint want to go through the trouble of visiting the sherif every time they went to a new town to be able to open carry, same goes for most people that dint want others to know that they had a gun, cowboys and ranshers on the other hand almost always open carried becouse it was thier ransh.
Subbed. I like you and your pragmatism. The biggest sin of all is the fact that this video isn’t longer. I thoroughly enjoyed it 👏
glad to hear, thanks for the support 🤙
18:03 To add on to this it wasn't actually a couple of weeks it was many months
2:24 I'll agree with Dartigan on this one. It should have just been setup like in most modern games where you gently push the left analog stick to walk, push all the way to move at full speed, and click the left stick to sprint. No reason why that couldn't have been the case and there's also no reason why your horses couldn't control that way either.
Trying to portray realism is cool and all but it shouldn't come at the expense of the players frustration.
25:18 That's true but it doesn't change the fact that Red Dead 1 now feels really awkward with absolutely no mention of Arthur at all especially since you not only play as John, the man he saw as a brother but Dutch is one of the villains, the man they both saw as a father. Is it understandable, yes but it's no less weird and of putting.
Weeks pass from when you get there till Strauss asks to collect.
Should have brought up the fact when he complains about the controls you can turn off the aim assist
I really like the Button smashing to run Mechanic, it gives a sense of deepness to it it feels like you have to do something
How do you expect to enjoy a game if you just spend the entire time looking for mistakes and forgetting to enjoy yourself
fr
19:50 also that Scene was meant to show you that dutch is jusr genuinely lying for his own sake. He doesnt care if he himself brings hell itself unto the gang but he blames you for something that HAD to be done
I disagree with the notion that Dutch needing more money doesn't make any sense. Remember, Dutch is VERY vague and private with how much money the gang has, and how much they need. Dutch does not ACTUALLY want to escape to Tahiti, he wants vengeance on society. The money is just the carrot he dangles in front of the others to keep them in line. He likely had enough money in chapter 3 at least, but that's not the point. He wasn't done with Cornwall, or Colm or so on by that point.
true
Thank you for this! It needed to be said 🙏🏼
Glad it was helpful 🤙
Alr quick question:What has Arthur been doing? Dutch and Javier both have 1K while Arthur has 5K, why, how? Why don’t the Pinkertons go after Arthur if he has the bigger bounty.
dutch’s bounty had increased since that poster, javier’s idk and Arthur is not consistently hunted due to the gang moving
@@dukemeiser19 fair but how much was Dutch’s bounty in rdr1? I have rdr1 just haven’t played it since the graphics are weird and the controls are wonky especially with the horses. Also love ur content ur hilarious
@@Gingersnap_Adventures appreicate the support but in terms of dutch’s bounty we can assume enough to have the Bureau hunting him
@@dukemeiser19 wasn’t the Bureau already hunting him? Milton and Ross wouldn’t have appeared in the mission “A Fisher Of Men” if they weren’t hunting him?
@@Gingersnap_Adventures That is the pinkerton detective agency, which is a private hired militia. Cornwall was technically hunting him, not the US gov.
17:26 also blackwater is much smaller than st Denis so they’re more likely to be recognise/seen
Regarding the sins between John's scars versus the Blackwater heist, yes, you can have it both ways.
RDR2 turns out no differently if John did or did not get his scars during the events of the game, hence the pointlessness of the scar origin.
The Blackwater heist events lift massive amounts of both games' stories driving the Pinkertons to hunt Dutch and company.
@@christopherschroeder4096 yea as long as john has the scars it shouldn’t matter the origins
@@dukemeiser19 I do agree with the Blackwater heist needing to be a mystery for the purposes of Arthur throughout the first four acts of RDR2 and thus a narratively legitimate reason for maintaining the mystery for the player. An RDR1 player already knows The Strange Man's claim and a new RDR player should have just enough information withheld to share Arthur's perspective. But Acts 5 and 6 should absolutely see Arthur getting the full story.
12:36 where can you find these npc dialogues? Have never heard them
It’s a random encounter where you get approached by someone asking if you’ve seen bounty hunters prowling around
@ Haven’t seen that and can’t find a video on it, but would be interesting to see if mb you have a link, anyways great video.
One small criticism of the video was the background music which sometimes can be a bit distracting
But other than that, great video and as a huge RDR2 fan, you have anothet subscribe from me🔥
Appreciate the support, my newer videos I fix the audio mixing
I really like the "everything wrong " format of videos. I just wish most creators didn't pull non existing sins out of their bumm to make the videos longer
There’s nothing wrong with criticism but it does get annoying when most EWW channels resort to sinning credits or title scenes
Never knew the sin counter guy was this delusional
the d in dartigan stands for delusion
24:56 I think he's talking about the war horse you would get for pre ordering rdr2
I know but i he still sinned the game
I already knew counters to his statements and they perfectly matched up with yours, it’s so funny how hypocritical he was
Nice
13:46 and this is the low honor specific detail
11:00 just confuses me. I thought it was made clear that the braithwaite lady wanted Hosea to give out the shin edit free to make life hard for the grays with a bunch of drunks in the town?
pretty much
isn't the whole point of games as a media to have multiple plot points that you can interact with throughout its duration ? ITS ACTUALLY 40 IQ
literally
26:02 correct me if I’m Wrong but this is more just a minor slip up John does go to strawberry to break Arthur out of prison if you get arrested there though you could not see his face he still technically go there
@@Lolxplays1 well stuff like that is usually considered canon only to gameplay, Arthur isn’t meant to be arrested anyway out of cutscenes
22:15 what's the alternative? Got one or two plot threads?? No resplution for the other one's???? Huh???
Idk if it's correct, but i have heard you need to equip a knife in order for John to say "how do you think i got these scars?" But again, i've never heard that line while playing, as i literally have only seen wolves in that one mission with Jack.
i don’t think so, I think you just need to fight wolves
I wish there was an April Fools video just like this except all the dude says is Nuh-uh.
next year 🤫
21:15 also him finding that out beforehand DIDNT MATTER AT ALL THEY WOULD'VE PROTECTED THE GUY EITHER WAY
Everything wrong with everything wrong with everything with Red Dead Redemption 2
Sin 1: Sinning a valid criticism about overshooting the valid area of interaction and calling it a "skill issue"
Sin 2: Arthur is already starting to doubt Dutch at that point in the story, possibly John as well by now. Its not that far fetched that they would start questioning him
Total: 2
Good job keeping it clean!
Fair enough
3:15 "just stop trying to be two people at once"
Funny that when I clicked on this I thought about clownpuncher’s vids 😂
I used to like Dartigan but the moment he began sinning games that literally were statistically and GENUINELY good I stopped caring
27:53
That his consequences have actions?!? Tf does that mean
"If It's a reference bad reference Is bad If It's a joke bad joke Is bad"-Clownpuncher139
wise quote from the forefather