How to install a Terrain Tamer Diff locker kit with Harrop E Locker
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ค. 2024
- I install a E-locker using the Terrain Tamer Diff Lock kit. I go through the process step by step.
This is the kit I used.
www.terraintamer.com/bg/4wd-p...
This video was filmed on our Sony PXW X70 with the 4k upgrade license.
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Great video Matt! Great to see an instructional video where the instructor is extremely articulate and clear.
Thank you kindly
Wow you read that book within a blink of an eye ... good work
Camera Magic :)
Great info👍
Definitely going Harrop now on my GU
Cheers
Thanks for mentioning bending the metal tabs to fit on the bearing caps. I've been staring at those tabs for a few days wondering why they are too narrow to fit my bearing cap in there.
Ha ha. It says in the instructions to bend them. Keep the backlash as little as possible.
Thanks Matt mate this Helpt me Alot
Glad to hear it!
Post install I and a mate different installers did front and back on our GU patrols. Both cars suffered the same problem on the Simpson trip and the cape with the wires breaking a the diff housings.
Yeah it’s apparently been fixed now
I have been using my Chilkat shifter on my front E locker for 6+ years and as soon as I can afford one, I will buy another for my rear E locker with a dead actuator.
I like your lock
Very well explained
thanks
What’s your opinion on a ifs 4wd with a mechanical front locker ? I have manual locking hubs also
Great vid
Thanks.
Matt, just came across your channel good video, well explained. I have just subscribed. I have the Harrop e-locker in my GU and it is the best of the lockers I have had. A tip for those who don't have the paste for the gear pattern you can buy yellow cement oxide from your hardware store and mix it with oil to make the paste. Regards, Mick #havacrack #patroltraction
watch neville mc namara youtube videos. you will change your mind about e lockers.
@@andrewwhite7724 Not trying to argue with you, but.....
Old Jack McNamara set up my first ARB diff locker and he criticised that swearing about ARB not having correct shim thickness. I recieved the same bad language back then as they have on their videos. Back then McNamara was only making and selling lockers and axles for landrovers and other models (not Nissan). I am not doubting McNamara's knowledge or expertise but if you want a gobful of swear words as to why you did not buy his locker then go there (or just watch the videos) and you will feel belittled by him, but aside from that I would recommend that if you want a diff set up then take it to him. Work is great, verbal customer service is not.
I have had a ARB air locker(rear of landcruiser), a lokka and now a e-locker (front of patrols) and a factory rear locker in the GU (now the vacuum in that is crap).
I have seen others videos and read comments on the internet where they critcise the elocker etc, but like a lot of people who post comments on the net they don't have actual experience, they just tell you what they have read or seen elsewhere or about what a 'mate' told them. I am not suggesting your are not informed, but unless you can tell me your real life experience then I don't need your recommendation. Re the locking to unlocking if you reverse is about 1/4 of a wheel turn and if under load then it does not unlock; personally though locked in I have never had to reverse. If a vehicle has a locker then the difference is you are less likely to have to flog your 4WD to get it moving as the added traction reduces the risk of damage. Most damage is caused to CVs when the vehicle axle is locked and you land a wheel too hard on the ground if it is trying to gain traction.
The elocker they show appears to be from a rear diff from a Patrol and I am suspecting from the size it is the larger h260 diff and not the H233b, probably why the diff carrier looks smaller within the ring gear. Where you also have to BE CAREFUL on Nevilles comments is where he criticises the size comparrison of the eaton with the other carrier in the video, you have to remember 1/. It is a rear carrier from the rear of a landcruiser & 2/. It is a LSD so it has to be bigger as it has to contain the clutch plates so obviously the case is larger as it has clutch plates and gears inside. Therefore BE CAREFUL on what they are stating or what you are trying to repeat.
BTW, I missed which bit was broken, (I don't think it was), as did someone else who has a eaton/harrop mentioned on McNAMARAs video.
After watching Nevilles videos tell me which diff cetnre or diff locker they don't criticise.
Go watch the HARROP video on the elocker and they may tell you another story.
The elocker is good. Anyway go watch my videos as I need the extra .05 cents #havacrack Regards, Mick
thanks for this . its timely i found it just one thing . the ring gear is case hardened and unlikely a file will do much if anything . use a stone instead . With all the track closures i might be too late to the party but im returning to reasonably difficult off roading after 25 year hiatus and have a compulsion to keep spending money on the car thats stronger than nicotine addiction ever was
You’re right about the file but it shows up if there’s any deformation which usually there’s not. Also the file does take small highs out.
You can probably afford it now though. 😂
Good video mate . Where do you purchase this kit?
I'd definitely seal that grommet too. Last thing you want is water/mud etc seeping into your diff.
They’re well sealed.
Nice video I just bought a front E locker for my collie, but I'll probably go with the professionals coz don't know jack about diffs haha
Lol. But at least this helps you understand a bit more ay.
@@MadMatt4WD haha yeah, I wasn't 100% sure about what the pre-load involved and the backlash gauge I couldn't see the numbers or how you set up. Also I didn't see what was involved with you actually getting the diff out to the vice in the video, and then how you re-assembled and tested it in the workshop. Great for folks with a more related mechanical background than me though 👍.
Matt- does Toyota make a 200 series with rear factory lockers? We don't have the option in the US but we have more limited availability here. Wondering if it is an option in Australia or if it isn't even a possibility at all. Thanks in advance and thanks for the content.
I believe the sahara has factory lockers. Usually they run a different housing so you can’t just swap in a centre you would have to swap the complete housing. These Terrain tamer kits would fit though.
@@MadMatt4WD Thanks , I appreciate it.
it safe to drilling axle box?? what if crossing river and the diff oil become dirt.......
It gets sealed by the grommet for the wire.
Great video Matt. been looking into a locker for my vehicle and wondering why you chose the E-Locker over the Air Locker?
I like them all and they all have problems.
Great video matey. Whats your thoughts on the automatic Lokka??
Never run one so no comment. But I like to control my lockers.
Hey Matt I have a BT-50 fitted with rear E lock can I fit an E locker up front and have it connected to the same switch, would love your thoughts, cheers Matt.
Well if you turn right you can. 😂😂😂 you can certainly fit an elockers but I wouldn’t fit it to the same switch. You want to be able to choose which locker you want and when.
Matt,
At the end of your video, you say that your 80 was only able to lock the rear, what year is it? I have a 1996 fjz80 that’s all time 4wd with a cdl with no front or rear lockers. You have another video with a Bundera explaining when and how to use the lockers. What locker set up do you recommend for my truck so that I’m able to select rear only or front only or all as you suggest in this video and the other, because I’m assuming you are not using the factory locker harness or ecu? I’ve seen some other threads for adding e lockers and using the factory harness but it only allows for rear only or front and rear, not front only.
Great channel and hope to hear from you soon.
Hey JT. Back in the day I only had one rear arb locker. The elockers are separately wired so by default you get the select ability. Arbs can be tweaked in the wiring harness quite easily to do it. Thanks for the encouragement.
Hey Matt, I'm contemplating a locker for my 80. What are your thoughts about the Lokka for the front?
I wouldn’t touch an auto locker as I believe we need to be able to control the lockers engagement
I have a Detroit locker in the front of my 79 fullsize Bronco with Dana 60'sand I love it in the sand and off road I hate it on Icy and snowy roads for winter driving. I have driven it with one front hub unlocked on the road in ice and snow and its more manageable.
I have seen auto lockers engage at precisely the wrong time and cause the vehicle to move in unexpected ways.
Check out OX lockers if price is an issue. They are cable operated. Like a motorcycle clutch, but using locker gears, and either on or off.
Made me appreciate that I won't be doing that install myself. Cheers.
LOL. My thinking was that for many knowing what's required will help them understand how to make sure they get the job done right.
If you only could buy one diff lock and install it, would you put it in the front or rear diff first? Car is a auto petrol 80 series.
Go watch my vid front vs rear difflock. For me it’s front.
Will do cheers Matt
Hey Matt. How do you rate the e-lockers now that you've had them for a few years?
Mate I had issues with the tabs breaking off but apparently that was a batch issue that got fixed. Aside from that ive never had an issue. All the noise about them unlocking is true that they can but it’s not an issue. It only happens occasionally.
@@MadMatt4WD thanks for the reply and good to hear you like them. I'm looking to install them next year in my 100 series so appreciate the feed back. Might be worth a follow up video. Cheers
What size press do you have? great vid :)
it's a 12t one. It's only just big enough for my work.
@@MadMatt4WD thankyou. I want to get one for home for bushes.
get a slightly bigger one if you can then.
How do front and rear diff lockers cost and how much is it to get them installed professionally?
You’ll have to get quotes for your area. You don’t need a centre difflock. That’s a very erroneous term that confuses a lot of people. It’s simple a means of locking the centre differential in a constant 4wd vehicle. It will be provided by the factory to give you basic 4wd function.
@@MadMatt4WD how much do front and rear diff lockers cost?
Again you'll have to get quotes for your local suppliers.
Matt could you make a video that shows when both wheel are jacks how the locker works? I got a tjm airlocker rear only on my Triton but I feel like it's not working at all... The rear locker as it's air locked should be locked no matter if you are in gear or no or in 4wd or not but I feel like I can't test if they are working or not!!!
Thats a great idea. The easiest way to test is find a spot where you spot going forward in 4 wheel drive low range with no locker on. Then put the locker on. You should drive a bit. If you have someone with you get them to see if both back wheels are turning as well.
@@MadMatt4WD I got a full rear custom suspension from fullcrum and the car flex a lot as he got absolutely nothing inside the tray! So it's actually hard for me to find a spot to have my rear out of the ground to test it! So I may jack the rear differential tomorrow and activate the locker and try with a friend to move both wheel opposite direction if the locker works they should not go anywhere... I hope so
@@MadMatt4WD th-cam.com/video/OjNQkwYo15o/w-d-xo.html
I could try that!
That'll work too. Also if you can't flex that out you need to try harder. :)
@@MadMatt4WDmuch harder apparently haha
Do you have a workshop Matt?
Only my personal one
I don't suppose you live anywhere near Canberra? I'd pay you to help me sort a locker out for my Prado
@@tonyp6088no mate
Hey mad Matt. I would have thought that it was mandatory operation for that front elocker to work independently of the rear locker. You said you 'set it up that way' which puzzles me a bit. I have my mechanic installing my my harrop e locker in about 4 days... I'll be popping back in here to see if you reply.
Cheers,
Tony
Hey Tony. Yes with the Elockers they set up individually. Others brands like ARB don't. They have it set up so the rear has to be on before the front.
hi mat you should check out neville mcnamara. on youtube. he is a diff specialist in moorabbin victoria. he pulled apart an eaton e locker. you will find it very interesting on what he thinks about the e locker. he originally invited the tjm pro locker. and watch a few more of his videos an what he says about terrain tamer stuff.
I’ll watch that.
MadMatt 4WD Go read my reply to yours
@haveacrack I just found your reply in the junk folder and so I approved it and now i'm trying to find it amongst all the other comments. LOL YT makes this hard. To say I like what you said and want to respond if I can find it.
@@MadMatt4WD Matt, sorry i meant for that message to go to andrew white. I posted my response to him on another comment i had in this video as he told me to go watch Nevilles video as well. Mick
@@HavaCrack All good. I thought Neville was an arrogant rude individual. He might be good at his trade but i wouldn't get him to do any work for me. I watched a number of his videos. His son is just a puppet saying what Dad says. I've had a very good run with 3 elockers now. They certainly do disconnect sometimes between reverse and forwards but It's not the problem people go on about. On problem that can happen is if the oil gets contaminated by grease and gets to thick the locker can engage because of the resistance between the magnet and cam.
Cant understand if you show me how to do it myself but I will void warranty What's the point?
Hey Ryan, A number of reasons in my opinion. 1. A workshop mechanic who is about to do one for the first time. 2. A mechanic like me who is doing his own for the first time. 3. A hobbiest who has a unit out of warranty and is going to overhaul it and wants some familiarity. 4.Someone who is looking to buy one new and just wants to know how it goes together for their research on the product.
Ryan bridges: Don't be afraid to tackle it. I'm just a hobbiest who'd virtually never seen inside a diff (not totally true but I'm no mechanic) yet did both my diffs with E-Lockers in my 2003 Hilux for the first time.
Some pointers:
Regarding the movement of the ring with the two tabs, it says to allow 2mm of lateral movement or it "WILL" lead to failure, I did mine with no, or next to no, play at all.
Another thing I did potentially wrong was I used blue thread lock Loctite instead of red.
When looking for a place to drill your grommet hole drill it on top of the diff (naturally enough) and as close to the gasket flange as practicable, keeping an eye not to put it or the wiring in the road of internal moving parts such as crown wheel. On the front diff I made the mistake of drilling down a wee ways from the flange, and as Matt says it's an incredible effort getting the grommet through the hole, so much so that I damaged my grommet so badly that it certainly won't take another install, that's for sure! When it came to the rear diff, I was wiser by then and drilled my hole where the grommet was easier to install... up nearer the flange!
The rear diff I also swapped out my pinion shaft (with Nitro) and changed to a Nitro crown wheel, as I had to change the ratio, for I went from 30" tires to 35's.
All that said, whilst I'm not an every day wheeler, both diffs/lockers have performed flawlessly since day one, that was 4 years ago and they're well out of warranty now anyway. Oh, I'd better not forget, the "biggest" thing that helped me was, I managed to get hold of the 'proper' Toyota workshop manual as well as the E-Locker instructions, without that, no matter how many 'specialized' tools I think I've got, I 'personally' would 'NEVER' have been able to install them! Good luck.
@@SeriousSchitt Well done.
Surly ur meant to grease those bearings
Never mind hahah forgot it’s in the diff
LOL
Aaahh just Lincoln Lock it...….
:) i know right.
@@MadMatt4WD Matt what locker do you recommend the most?
@@unclequack5445 I've only run the ARB Airlockers and the Elockers. And they're both fine and work well. Both have pros and cons.
It has testicles. It never reads the instructions.
Lol
It's A bit of an odd question out of curiosity (i may have asked in the past).
With the air lockers like arb. design. Do you think it would be plausable to convert the air to work with a hydrualic fluid/lever instead?
e.g. using something like a hydraulic brake lever that could just use the diff oil.
I’m sure it could be done. You’d need a high pressure pump etc. the question would be. What’s the advantage for the added complexity and weight.
@@MadMatt4WD bugger 😅. I was hoping it might have been able to become more simple like an OX locker.
Thanks for taking your time to reply. Have a good day.
If it was simple it would have been done already. :)