I was an early adopter of the Canon 10-22mm EFS lens. I use it for Real Estate photography. I've probably taken 90% of my pictures with that lens. It stays on 10mm most of the time and I use bipedal zooming outdoors. I can say, that it would be a tough lens to dethrone my 10-22. I would not mind an IS version, but I shoot with flash exclusively indoors. Thanks for the review. Your reviews hit all of my high points for lens shopping.
@Christopher Frost I bought the 10-20 mm/3.5 about 7.5 years ago. I use it for landscape and indoor shooting and have been very happy with the results ever since. As of f/8 it's tack sharp from corner to corner, but only if you set the AF point correctly and have the proper distance to your focus point. You can't get everything sharp from 1 m to infinity, not even at f/11 or f/16, no matter how you set the focus point. BTW: Your reviews are always a pleasure to watch, please keep up the excellent work. Stay safe and God's blessing on you.
I recently got this lens for my videos as an upgrade from my kit lens. really enjoying it and works great in low light. enjoy your reviews and nice to see some footage from home in your videos 👍
I bought this lens for my Pentax after watching this review, so far I am very happy with it. My first WA, still need to get use to it. (Also little adjust the focus a little when I have time.) The auto focus is so quiet first I thought it was broken. Thank you for the review.
大狐 you mentioned that it was quit, in my opinion it's quite noisy. But I've only used Canon lenses and there focusing methods are much different than other lens focusing systems. Newer Canon lenses are practically noiseless.
Corner to corner sharpness in very challenging conditions at extreme ends of the lens parameters is simply not going to be on the table on a lens at this price point - to suggest it should be is unrealistic. Reviews like this, while useful, also seek to push the boundaries of usage past normal to bring out the very worst in the lens, as seen in the first batch of test images (the outside of the building). The pictures that came afterwards, which were of real subjects in a variety of settings, were hard to find any fault with, save for a tiny amount of CA on the piano keys, and these are the parts that are most useful - not test charts. Bearing in mind that lenses almost universally perform their worst at the extremes (focal length, aperture settings) it would have been useful to see you do some comparisons at 12 and 18mm. I had the f4-5.6 version of this lens long ago and absolutely loved it. it too had some wacky barrel distortion (that seemed to follow no pattern) at 10mm, but it was something you had to go looking for and specifically shoot a particularly framed subject to show it in. Something (i don't know what) possessed me to sell it. I'm now in the market for an ultrawide again and given the f4-5.6 is now hard to get hold of, it's entirely likely i'll get the 3.5. Not too fussed over the larger filter thread though, as it looks like it could actually house a regular 77mm filter size, and that they just made it larger for... reasons.
Flightguy69 hey, would you please tell me how good this lens in auto-focusing in the dark with the flash assist beam? I got sigma 15mm fisheye and it has a huge auto-focus issues with back-focus if i use it in the dark with assist beams of my canon st-e2 transmitter :(((
Keep in mind one thing. In the 10mm position, the diagonal openings angle is 105 degrees on Nikon DX. In the test shot, if the frontdoor is at 10 meters , the far corner is at 17 meters, so IT CANNOT BE in focus. No matter how far you stop down. Try the shot again with a bigger building, at 200 meters distance. You will be surprised.
You are right, you could solve this by making the lens focus distance further for the edges. In fact I suspect that is done to make razor sharp wide angle lenses like the Sony 14mm F1.8 GM, which can't possibly be as sharp in the corners of the test chart as the distance to the lens is much larger than in the center.
You’ve only got to look at his own photos to see the lens is sharp in the corners. Look at the library indoor shot, perfectly sharp in the corners that are on the focal plane.
@@Pozi_Drive He says it was soft in the corners, and it clearly isn’t when the subject is in focus, like the one in the library. I’m agreeing with your original comment, it’s not soft, it’s out of focus in the house photo because of the distance from the lens.
I have this lens for Sony and although I bought it for my APSC camera a few years ago, I have tried it on two FF cameras since and it will work from 15-20mm on FF. Fun to use at that UWA on FF.
I've got this wide angle lens and it's beautiful. However it's my only wide angle lens even thought I shoot images that require wide angle lenses such as landscapes and astrophotography
I have just bought a copy of this lens and I have not come across any of the faults you described in the video so either you had a bad copy or I’m lucky to have a good one.
I've been using this lens for Real Estate Photography for almost 4 years. Its great but does suffer from significant chromatic aberration and barrel distortion at 10mm, both of which can be cleaned up in post, but it would be really cool not to have to take the time to do that. Time is money!
A question about the Sigma 10-20mm F3.5 lens: When attached to a mirrorless camera via a dumb adaptor, meaning the lens isn't communicating with the camera, do you know what aperture the lens defaults to? I'm assuming f3.5, but I wonder is it perhaps the last aperture you were using when you had the lens on a camera that could electronically communicate with it?
if you crop the outer 15% edges then this should make a nice close up portrait lens, have a a nice looking small amount of softening in the corners, esp with girls and kids
hi Christopher, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and reviews on lenses. I have recently bought the canon eos 70d with one kit lense, now looking to buy a zoom lense or a wide angle not sure though which one would be best to buy first to starting building my kit, your reviews are very helpful in helping me decide, you have such a clear, calm voice and excellent training skills, . Thank you and please continue to share your expertise. :-) Catherine
Thank you for this review. You have saved me from buying a lens that is just not worth the money in my opinion. The only reason I was considering this lens is because the Nikon 10-20mm has limited functionality on my Nikon D7100. I think now though, that whatever the limitations, I’d rather have sharp corners.
@Christopher Frost Photography Am I wrong or the cheaper brother of this lens is better looking at the definition/chromatic aberration test? Is this noisy as the other? Ciao
Damn didn't realise it was for crop sensor cameras only, because I'm trying to upgrade to a canon 6D and was looking forward to continue using this awesome lens
+Christopher Frost Photography cool, but I'd like to keep this awesome lens for my 600D but I'll check out the tamron! Is there a Samyang version of the same focal length
Between this and the Tokina 11-20, which lens do you personally prefer? You see, I'm on the hunt for a good ultra wide angle zoom lens. But all the affordable options out there seem to present quite a wealth of tradeoffs. So far, this lens and the Tokina 11-20 come the closest to what I'm looking for. Though their optical issues, which I've observed in my own tests as well, are still troubling.
Thank You for the in depth review! I was looking this particular lens for interior photography with a nikon d90. Could you advice a better option perhaps?
Hey Chris! I currently own the Canon 10-18mm STM. (I bought it because of your review) I use it on my Canon 70D. And I absolutely love it! Never thought I would be using autofocus on videos. However, I find myself shooting more videos indoors now. I would wait for your ultra wide lenses comparison but unfortunately, I only have about a week left to be able to return the lens. Should I return my canon for this (I just think constant f3.5 would be really helpful.) Or should I just keep it? And optically speaking, which lens do you think is better/sharper? I really hope you'll reply soon. Thank you very much!
Ben Manlapaz My comparison video is already online! Take a look for it on my channel or by searching. I'd say, give the Tokina 11-20 f/2.8 a try, if you're happy to manually focus
Great review! The only complaint is one I've mentioned before: On a crop body, the f-value is not what they put on the box. You must multiply by the crop factor. The producers are dishonest about their f-value because they want to sell their lens. So, even though this is a lens designed for APS-C cameras, the equivalent f-value compared to full frame is not 3.5 but 5.6. You mention the equivalent focal length compared to full frame, so I don't see why the equivalent f-value would be less worthy of a mention.
***** I agree, but you are only partly right. It is still the same f-value, whether the lens is designed for full frame or aps-c only. You get the same amount of light and the same shutter speeds. But the difference is in the way the image looks, mainly speaking bokeh. If you want to achieve the same result as with a full frame f3.5, you would need an f2.3 or something like that on aps-c (same as the crop factor), due the different sensor sizes. So yes equivalent f-value is worth mentioning, but only for looks/bokeh not for shutter speeds. Nevertheless, great review as always Christopher Frost Photography Thanks a lot!Christopher Frost Photography
convergepk "You get the same amount of light and the same shutter speeds." Nope. Smaller sensor means less surface area per pixel, meaning fewer photons hit each pixel (compared to a larger sensor with the same pixel-count). That means less light.
***** And since such a comparison was made for focal length in this review, I felt justified in mentioning the aperture's equivalent value. Many companies list the focal length equivalent of full frame, because a longer focal length is often attractive. They do not do that with the f-value, and that is annoying. A way to combat that dishonesty is to raise awareness about it. For example in reviews.
Well, yes and no. When you use this lens on an APS-C camera, its equivalent depth of field will only be about f/5.6, as you say. However, in terms of how much light the lens gathers, it's still f/3.5, so, the lens's brightness is not affected by the APS-C sensor. Also, the f/number refers to the physical dimensions of the lens's glass elements, so technically the company is correct to say it's f/3.5. I see where you're coming from, though - if they were being super honest, then lens companies could make a note on their boxes that the equivalent depth of field is increased if you're using a camera with an APS-C (or even smaller) sensor.
Christopher Frost Photography We are saying the same thing. I never wrote, or meant, that the lens somehow changes properties depending on which camera you put it on. Neither the focal length or aperture actually change. That would be a very neat magic trick. The lens is what it is.
Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 AT-X116 Pro DX II Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6 EX DC HSM Sigma 10-20mm f/3.5 EX DC HSM ELD SLD Canon EF-S 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 IS STM Which wide angle zoom???? I think I smell a new comparison video... :p) (Also, who else things these names are terrible?)
Christopher Frost Photography But if u have to recommend between Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 AT-X116 Pro DX II Tokina 11-20 or Sigma 10-20mm f/3.5 EX DC HSM ELD SLD which one will u choose, I have nikon d5300. This wide angle selection is making me crazy :-(
Christopher Frost Photography Thanks Christopher for your advice. I am a beginner so just want to understand better that by general optics you mean chromatic aberration and vignetting. Actually mine criteria is better sharpness and less chromatic aberration.
Hi Christopher! Thank you for your videos ! You are doing great job ! :) I have hard decision about choosing between this sigma 10-20 and Tokina 11-20. I saw on your tutorial that Tokina has very nice sharp image even in corners and its more lighter (2.8, than Sigma 3.5). But I'm terrifying when I compare clock picture when Tokina has very soft picture. It is hard for me to choose the proper one. I would like to buy a lens for landscapes (mainly) and also for night picturing of sky and buildings. And i don't know what to do :) T11-16 DXII or T11-20 DX or S10-20. Very important for me is lens has to have build-in af-engine. To work with 5200 body. Maybe you can help me choosing the right one ? :)
+bartyem The clock picture is only to test close-up picture quality, and that is very close-up indeed. For landscape pictures and nighttime shooting you should be just fine :-)
Hi Chris, I am takiong Real Estate photography looking at putting either the Sigma 10-20mm lens or the Tokin 11 -20 mm on a Nikon D7200 would you recommend one over the other? Thanks
Did you happen to test it beyond f/8? I am into landscape photography and I am observing softness in the images too. What's the sharpest point on the aperture dial for this lens? I have a nikon d7200, I wonder if that'd matter though.
@@christopherfrost I see. I have always assumed that my Nikon 18-140mm like all other lenses is sharpest between f/8 and f/11. So I kept my camera always at f/11 and never ever changed it. I was lazy enough to not test it for various landscape photography situations. But What you said makes me want to go that extra mile and test out f/8, f/9 etc. Thank you for your response.
Is there anything better than the Tokina 11-16 for Sony A-mount? I really don't like the chromatic aberrations with this lens, but it's basically the only wide angle lens I could find in a-mount apc.
Tough critic with tough demands - all of which may be fair. But for the rest of us who aren't publishing or professional photographers, how does it hold up? For me I'm very pleased with the lens.
Interesting video once again. I am actually after a wide angle lens, and until you mentioned that this is not exactly ideal for stills work, I was keen. So then, what would you suggest? I need to work indoors in tight spaces with something that gives me f/2.8 . I too use canon 70d . Although looking at your images, this sigma f/3.5 was very decent except at the edges...Something which is only noticable when zooming... As always, eager to see your response!
Hmm, well the 11-22 does have image stabilization which is helpful, but this lens has that nice f/3.5 maximum aperture, so if you're using a tripod or electronic gimbal it would be best
@christopher - I have the canon rebel t7i. WHich ultra wide angle lense would you recommend? I would prefer not to spend the world. Mainly for shooting live music events and also the stars :D thank you in advance!
i recently got this lens for my GH5 with speedbooster, indeed the edges are soft, plus being adapted it may not be at its best form, the sony 10-18mm is much sharper than it.
@@MarvylousTV I do enjoy using this lens despite the softer edges, if you zoom in to 11mm and above it gets better, check out the platlist "sample and test" on my channel for some sample videos made with this lens
@@christopherfrost I just watched this video again. Here's the problem that I see but maybe I have it wrong but, when you shoot the wall the distance from your lens to the door is say 15 feet. If you measure to the top of the building where the corner of the picture is your probably measuring 25-30 feet to the lens. That would explain why stopping down the aperture sharpens the corners. Also most lenses are sharper stopped down a stop or two.
Hi Christopher! Could you please tell me which will be better lens for image quality considering sun flares also. Tokina 11-16 version II and Sigma 10-20 f3.5. I am deciding to purchase an ultra wide angle but getting confused between these two lenses.
Hi, I'm an amateur astrophotographer and I'm thinking about getting this lense because I want wide angle photos of the Milkyway. How do you think this lense works when taking photos of stars?
@@christopherfrost Hi, fwiw I'm pulling the trigger on the Sigma 10-16 f/3.5 specifically/exclusively for astrophotography shots, primarily the Milky Way. That type of image is a bit more forgiving in regards to vignetting, ISO 'noise', and various distortions (Coma & Barrel concerning me most atm). I'm looking very much forward to having a wide angle zoom in my kit and after (too) much deliberation on my part I am at peace with the choice being a Sigma (btw, 1st/Only Sigma in my kit atm .. I do have a Tokina 100mm f/2.8 Macro (LUV it) and my other lenses are all Nikons). Cheers
Will the noise be picked up by a shotgun microphone (e.g rode video mic) mounted on a DSLR? As i am thinking of using this for videography, but the vibration feels pretty strong/loud which might be captured.
I have decided to get the 10-18mm STM version. Noise is really a factor when it comes down to videography. keep up the good work bro.. I really enjoy your video. Straight to the point, sharing the pro and cons. At the end its the end user who have to decide what he/she really use that particular lense for.
+Christopher Frost Photography Oh! That's why I was asking you, I use Sony Vegas too and I have the same camera and lens as you in this video (70d and 10-20 Sigma) and I tried everything but I can't get the same quality as in your videos. All the ways of processing always give me bad quality or at least not the same as you. If you could send me somehow the way you do it it would be fantastic. Anyways I'm sorry for bothering you and thanks for your fast answer.
+Pau Oliver I just make sure I'm getting good quality out of the camera, and then I output the video to the internet 1080p setting (I modify the botrate to 20mps)
+Christopher Frost Photography thank you sir! yes i have seen both. Currently own a d3100 and looking to upgrade. But the Sony A7 lenses are quite expensive. Might as well buy a D7200
@@christopherfrost thank you!! And i have an oportunity to have my hands on canon Rf 35mm 1.8 and the first version of 35mm L 1.4...may i have your thoghts?
+Christopher Frost Photography Why "definitely" Chris? for optical quality over the more fast-wide Sigma? sharper? Anyway, as I can see in reviews the Tokina 11-16 or new 11-20 are sharper and faster-wide than Sigma an Canon, Do you agree? And one more question! I want it also for video so I wonder if we do have autofocus in live view mode with this two Tokina lens? Thanks
When he says it is fixed at 3.5 he means you can set it to 3.5 and zoom all the way in and out without it changing. Some lenses change the max aperture while zooming, for example some kit lenses are 3.5-5.6 which means if you shoot at 3.5 and then zoom all the way in, the aperture will close to 5.6. To avoid any confusion, a "fixed" aperture does let you change it to other settings like 5.6 or 8 like you asked and if you choose the max aperture (in this case 3.5) it will not change when zooming.
Hello! Is this lens compatible with a Canon 1000d? I want to make a surprise for a friend and buy this lens but I don't know if he can take photos with his old dslr.
I was an early adopter of the Canon 10-22mm EFS lens. I use it for Real Estate photography. I've probably taken 90% of my pictures with that lens. It stays on 10mm most of the time and I use bipedal zooming outdoors. I can say, that it would be a tough lens to dethrone my 10-22. I would not mind an IS version, but I shoot with flash exclusively indoors. Thanks for the review. Your reviews hit all of my high points for lens shopping.
@Christopher Frost
I bought the 10-20 mm/3.5 about 7.5 years ago. I use it for landscape and indoor shooting and have been very happy with the results ever since. As of f/8 it's tack sharp from corner to corner, but only if you set the AF point correctly and have the proper distance to your focus point. You can't get everything sharp from 1 m to infinity, not even at f/11 or f/16, no matter how you set the focus point.
BTW: Your reviews are always a pleasure to watch, please keep up the excellent work. Stay safe and God's blessing on you.
Я рад прочесть Ваше мнение о 10-20/3,5.Хочу подчеркнуть:Вы очень интересно написали книги о фотографии.
I recently got this lens for my videos as an upgrade from my kit lens. really enjoying it and works great in low light. enjoy your reviews and nice to see some footage from home in your videos 👍
I bought this lens for my Pentax after watching this review, so far I am very happy with it. My first WA, still need to get use to it. (Also little adjust the focus a little when I have time.) The auto focus is so quiet first I thought it was broken. Thank you for the review.
大狐 you mentioned that it was quit, in my opinion it's quite noisy. But I've only used Canon lenses and there focusing methods are much different than other lens focusing systems. Newer Canon lenses are practically noiseless.
Canon must be really quiet, but it could be my standard is too low for quiet. Or are you talking about the in video noise?
I have just brought it and tested. Reasonable price with reasonable quality. Tks Chris.
Chris you have become my goto lens review channel.
Corner to corner sharpness in very challenging conditions at extreme ends of the lens parameters is simply not going to be on the table on a lens at this price point - to suggest it should be is unrealistic. Reviews like this, while useful, also seek to push the boundaries of usage past normal to bring out the very worst in the lens, as seen in the first batch of test images (the outside of the building). The pictures that came afterwards, which were of real subjects in a variety of settings, were hard to find any fault with, save for a tiny amount of CA on the piano keys, and these are the parts that are most useful - not test charts. Bearing in mind that lenses almost universally perform their worst at the extremes (focal length, aperture settings) it would have been useful to see you do some comparisons at 12 and 18mm. I had the f4-5.6 version of this lens long ago and absolutely loved it. it too had some wacky barrel distortion (that seemed to follow no pattern) at 10mm, but it was something you had to go looking for and specifically shoot a particularly framed subject to show it in. Something (i don't know what) possessed me to sell it. I'm now in the market for an ultrawide again and given the f4-5.6 is now hard to get hold of, it's entirely likely i'll get the 3.5. Not too fussed over the larger filter thread though, as it looks like it could actually house a regular 77mm filter size, and that they just made it larger for... reasons.
Really excited to see your ultra wide video lens comparison video Chris!
I can always count on you to have a lens review on a lens I'm looking to buy.
Great video review! My favorite lens! One of the best lenses I have ever purchased! I never experienced any heavy softness in the corners on my shots.
Flightguy69 hey, would you please tell me how good this lens in auto-focusing in the dark with the flash assist beam? I got sigma 15mm fisheye and it has a huge auto-focus issues with back-focus if i use it in the dark with assist beams of my canon st-e2 transmitter :(((
Keep in mind one thing. In the 10mm position, the diagonal openings angle is 105 degrees on Nikon DX. In the test shot, if the frontdoor is at 10 meters , the far corner is at 17 meters, so IT CANNOT BE in focus. No matter how far you stop down.
Try the shot again with a bigger building, at 200 meters distance. You will be surprised.
You are right, you could solve this by making the lens focus distance further for the edges. In fact I suspect that is done to make razor sharp wide angle lenses like the Sony 14mm F1.8 GM, which can't possibly be as sharp in the corners of the test chart as the distance to the lens is much larger than in the center.
Great point!
You’ve only got to look at his own photos to see the lens is sharp in the corners. Look at the library indoor shot, perfectly sharp in the corners that are on the focal plane.
@@Yosser70 indoors the distances are less different. Make a drawing, apply goniometrics and convince yourself.
@@Pozi_Drive He says it was soft in the corners, and it clearly isn’t when the subject is in focus, like the one in the library. I’m agreeing with your original comment, it’s not soft, it’s out of focus in the house photo because of the distance from the lens.
Had to comment just to say this video commentary is very good! I have subscribed
Just finished watching the full review! You are super at reviews! Thanks for this
I have this lens for Sony and although I bought it for my APSC camera a few years ago, I have tried it on two FF cameras since and it will work from 15-20mm on FF. Fun to use at that UWA on FF.
Thank you once again. Very good review indeed.
I've got this wide angle lens and it's beautiful. However it's my only wide angle lens even thought I shoot images that require wide angle lenses such as landscapes and astrophotography
The wider the lens the more of the buildings and city you will get
How’d it do for Astro work?
I have just bought a copy of this lens and I have not come across any of the faults you described in the video so either you had a bad copy or I’m lucky to have a good one.
I've been using this lens for Real Estate Photography for almost 4 years. Its great but does suffer from significant chromatic aberration and barrel distortion at 10mm, both of which can be cleaned up in post, but it would be really cool not to have to take the time to do that. Time is money!
Love this! Wasn't sure if I should get the lens or not
This helps!
Man, you are awesome! Thank you!
I have this lense, and it is fantastic!
Great review, thanks!
Great review!! And you saved me some money! Thank you.
I love how he says “Howdy everyone” when he is speaking with a more British accent than Southern U.S.
I love it too!
Another usefull review. Thks a lot.
Thank you for this video!! Very informative :)
Thanks
Very helpful.Thanks a lot for your clear opinion..
A question about the Sigma 10-20mm F3.5 lens: When attached to a mirrorless camera via a dumb adaptor, meaning the lens isn't communicating with the camera, do you know what aperture the lens defaults to? I'm assuming f3.5, but I wonder is it perhaps the last aperture you were using when you had the lens on a camera that could electronically communicate with it?
thanks for the great review ..
nice review , I have this lens and I like it :)
do you have any review abut sigma 105mm macro os hsm ?
if you crop the outer 15% edges then this should make a nice close up portrait lens, have a a nice looking small amount of softening in the corners, esp with girls and kids
You don't really wanna use a 10-20mm lens for portraits! Your subjects facial features will be totally distorted
hi Christopher, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and reviews on lenses. I have recently bought the canon eos 70d with one kit lense, now looking to buy a zoom lense or a wide angle not sure though which one would be best to buy first to starting building my kit, your reviews are very helpful in helping me decide, you have such a clear, calm voice and excellent training skills, . Thank you and please continue to share your expertise. :-) Catherine
Thank you for this review. You have saved me from buying a lens that is just not worth the money in my opinion. The only reason I was considering this lens is because the Nikon 10-20mm has limited functionality on my Nikon D7100. I think now though, that whatever the limitations, I’d rather have sharp corners.
@Christopher Frost Photography Am I wrong or the cheaper brother of this lens is better looking at the definition/chromatic aberration test?
Is this noisy as the other?
Ciao
Thanks for another great review. Just wondering at what ISO and shutter speeds do you conduct your image tests? Cheers!
Iso need to match shutter speed
100 iso 100 shutter as so on
Thanks so much for this! Do you know if the maximum field of view is more of less than 130º? Thanks again :)
Damn didn't realise it was for crop sensor cameras only, because I'm trying to upgrade to a canon 6D and was looking forward to continue using this awesome lens
+Alana Thomson (Lanilou15) For your 6D, sell this lens and grab a Tamron 15-30 VC USD. It's brilliant
+Christopher Frost Photography cool, but I'd like to keep this awesome lens for my 600D but I'll check out the tamron! Is there a Samyang version of the same focal length
It fits and works ok from 14mm to 20 mm on my EOS 6D
Between this and the Tokina 11-20, which lens do you personally prefer? You see, I'm on the hunt for a good ultra wide angle zoom lens. But all the affordable options out there seem to present quite a wealth of tradeoffs. So far, this lens and the Tokina 11-20 come the closest to what I'm looking for. Though their optical issues, which I've observed in my own tests as well, are still troubling.
I prefered this Sigma lens to be honest, it's actually quite nice, except for some corner softness and distortion
that terrible softness in the corners is a huge deal breaker for such a lens which is normally used for landscape photography!
I am debating whether getting this version or getting Canon's 10-18mm STM lens. Which do you prefer?
+Carly Hunt The 10-18 is technically a bit of a better lens although it will give you less striking pictures
Thank you!
Take a look at my ultra wide angle comparison video
Thank You for the in depth review! I was looking this particular lens for interior photography with a nikon d90.
Could you advice a better option perhaps?
Hey Chris! I currently own the Canon 10-18mm STM. (I bought it because of your review) I use it on my Canon 70D. And I absolutely love it! Never thought I would be using autofocus on videos. However, I find myself shooting more videos indoors now. I would wait for your ultra wide lenses comparison but unfortunately, I only have about a week left to be able to return the lens. Should I return my canon for this (I just think constant f3.5 would be really helpful.) Or should I just keep it? And optically speaking, which lens do you think is better/sharper? I really hope you'll reply soon. Thank you very much!
Ben Manlapaz My comparison video is already online! Take a look for it on my channel or by searching. I'd say, give the Tokina 11-20 f/2.8 a try, if you're happy to manually focus
Hi Chris! Sigma 10-20/4-5.6 or Sigma 10-20/3.5? Which one would you use? I'm talking about image quality from F4 at 10mm. Thank You very much!
The Canon lens is sharper
Christopher Frost Photography I'm talking only about these two Sigmas ;) I own Pentax system so I can't use Canon lenses ;)
i,m still impressed with this lens !
Great review! The only complaint is one I've mentioned before: On a crop body, the f-value is not what they put on the box. You must multiply by the crop factor. The producers are dishonest about their f-value because they want to sell their lens. So, even though this is a lens designed for APS-C cameras, the equivalent f-value compared to full frame is not 3.5 but 5.6. You mention the equivalent focal length compared to full frame, so I don't see why the equivalent f-value would be less worthy of a mention.
***** I agree, but you are only partly right. It is still the same f-value, whether the lens is designed for full frame or aps-c only. You get the same amount of light and the same shutter speeds. But the difference is in the way the image looks, mainly speaking bokeh. If you want to achieve the same result as with a full frame f3.5, you would need an f2.3 or something like that on aps-c (same as the crop factor), due the different sensor sizes. So yes equivalent f-value is worth mentioning, but only for looks/bokeh not for shutter speeds.
Nevertheless, great review as always Christopher Frost Photography Thanks a lot!Christopher Frost Photography
convergepk
"You get the same amount of light and the same shutter speeds."
Nope. Smaller sensor means less surface area per pixel, meaning fewer photons hit each pixel (compared to a larger sensor with the same pixel-count). That means less light.
***** And since such a comparison was made for focal length in this review, I felt justified in mentioning the aperture's equivalent value. Many companies list the focal length equivalent of full frame, because a longer focal length is often attractive. They do not do that with the f-value, and that is annoying. A way to combat that dishonesty is to raise awareness about it. For example in reviews.
Well, yes and no. When you use this lens on an APS-C camera, its equivalent depth of field will only be about f/5.6, as you say. However, in terms of how much light the lens gathers, it's still f/3.5, so, the lens's brightness is not affected by the APS-C sensor. Also, the f/number refers to the physical dimensions of the lens's glass elements, so technically the company is correct to say it's f/3.5. I see where you're coming from, though - if they were being super honest, then lens companies could make a note on their boxes that the equivalent depth of field is increased if you're using a camera with an APS-C (or even smaller) sensor.
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We are saying the same thing. I never wrote, or meant, that the lens somehow changes properties depending on which camera you put it on. Neither the focal length or aperture actually change. That would be a very neat magic trick. The lens is what it is.
Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 AT-X116 Pro DX II
Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6 EX DC HSM
Sigma 10-20mm f/3.5 EX DC HSM ELD SLD
Canon EF-S 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 IS STM
Which wide angle zoom???? I think I smell a new comparison video... :p)
(Also, who else things these names are terrible?)
Vegan Bartender A major comparison video of a large number of different ultra wide lenses is coming very soon indeed...!
I'm looking at the same ones. Also the canon 10-22mm
Christopher Frost Photography But if u have to recommend between Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 AT-X116 Pro DX II Tokina 11-20 or Sigma 10-20mm f/3.5 EX DC HSM ELD SLD which one will u choose, I have nikon d5300. This wide angle selection is making me crazy :-(
Harpreet Kukreja Probably the Sigma lens, better build quality and general optics. Although the Tokina lens is a little sharper
Christopher Frost Photography Thanks Christopher for your advice. I am a beginner so just want to understand better that by general optics you mean chromatic aberration and vignetting. Actually mine criteria is better sharpness and less chromatic aberration.
i wonder if sigma would adopt this lens in it's global vision series of lenses
Hi Christopher!
Thank you for your videos ! You are doing great job ! :)
I have hard decision about choosing between this sigma 10-20 and Tokina 11-20. I saw on your tutorial that Tokina has very nice sharp image even in corners and its more lighter (2.8, than Sigma 3.5). But I'm terrifying when I compare clock picture when Tokina has very soft picture.
It is hard for me to choose the proper one.
I would like to buy a lens for landscapes (mainly) and also for night picturing of sky and buildings.
And i don't know what to do :)
T11-16 DXII or T11-20 DX or S10-20.
Very important for me is lens has to have build-in af-engine. To work with 5200 body.
Maybe you can help me choosing the right one ? :)
+bartyem The clock picture is only to test close-up picture quality, and that is very close-up indeed. For landscape pictures and nighttime shooting you should be just fine :-)
+Christopher Frost Photography so at the end which one do you recommend ?:) Tokina or Sigma?:)
+bartyem The Tokina
Many thanks to you Chrostopher ! :) Good luck, and have a nice day ! :)
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I have a gh4 lumix with speedbooster ultra sigma 18-35mm is this lens good for me? I'm not too familiar with the crop factors apsc micro 4 thirds etc.
I don't know anything about Micro 4/3 I'm afraid
@@christopherfrost no worries thank you for the info you made me buy it haha!
Hi Chris, I am takiong Real Estate photography looking at putting either the Sigma 10-20mm lens or the Tokin 11 -20 mm on a Nikon D7200 would you recommend one over the other? Thanks
+Shane Crosbie Take a look at my ultra wide angle lens comparison video, that will help you :-)
The Nikon D7200 is still a beast even in 2024. Love it and use it for both wildlife and landscape
Test in Canon R7, please!
Hi! Do you have any comparison of this lens with here?
Did you happen to test it beyond f/8? I am into landscape photography and I am observing softness in the images too. What's the sharpest point on the aperture dial for this lens? I have a nikon d7200, I wonder if that'd matter though.
Beyond f/8, like all other lenses on a camera like the d7200, images will begin to get progressively softer due to the physical effects of diffraction
@@christopherfrost I see. I have always assumed that my Nikon 18-140mm like all other lenses is sharpest between f/8 and f/11. So I kept my camera always at f/11 and never ever changed it. I was lazy enough to not test it for various landscape photography situations. But What you said makes me want to go that extra mile and test out f/8, f/9 etc. Thank you for your response.
Hi . I love your videos, Can you help me make review this lense with canon r7?
Hi Chris! how you compare this Sigma with the new Tamron 10-24mm f/3.5-4.5 Di II VC HLD...?.Thanks.
Haven't tried that new Tamron lens yet. Hopefully I will soon
I think Canon 10-18 mm is a good option for wide angle lens in APS-C format Cameras
Is there a massive difference in the picture quality between the 3.5 v 4.5 lens?
Is there anything better than the Tokina 11-16 for Sony A-mount? I really don't like the chromatic aberrations with this lens, but it's basically the only wide angle lens I could find in a-mount apc.
Tough critic with tough demands - all of which may be fair. But for the rest of us who aren't publishing or professional photographers, how does it hold up? For me I'm very pleased with the lens.
If it does what you need then great! Stick with it.
Interesting video once again.
I am actually after a wide angle lens, and until you mentioned that this is not exactly ideal for stills work, I was keen.
So then, what would you suggest?
I need to work indoors in tight spaces with something that gives me f/2.8 . I too use canon 70d . Although looking at your images, this sigma f/3.5 was very decent except at the edges...Something which is only noticable when zooming...
As always, eager to see your response!
Is there any difference between old and news version of this lens?
Between this and the Canon 10-18 stm which one is better overall in terms of sharpness, my purpose is mainly photography
hi chris, thanks for your informative video. but if u have to choose one, between sigma 10-20 f3.5 vs tokina 11-16 f2.8 . then what is your choice.
Probably the Sigma. I don't like the Tokina lens's autofocus system
thank you for your review!
I'm comparing the nikon 10-24, 12-24, sigma 10-20 and tamron 10-24mm.
Any advice on these? I'm using a D5300
+Pablo x (xkuruma) I don't test Nikon so I can't help you I'm afraid!
Hi Chris, would you recommend this lens in taking group photos in a yacht? Since the space is limited.
Sure :-)
Where's the link to the Tokina review?
For a mirrorless Canon, would you recommend this one over their EF-M 11-22mm for serious videography?
Hmm, well the 11-22 does have image stabilization which is helpful, but this lens has that nice f/3.5 maximum aperture, so if you're using a tripod or electronic gimbal it would be best
Thank you that's what I've been thinking
@christopher - I have the canon rebel t7i. WHich ultra wide angle lense would you recommend? I would prefer not to spend the world. Mainly for shooting live music events and also the stars :D thank you in advance!
I've made a special video all about ultra wide angle lenses for aps-c cameras - take a look. Also, the new Tamron 10-24 VC is quite recommendable
i recently got this lens for my GH5 with speedbooster, indeed the edges are soft, plus being adapted it may not be at its best form, the sony 10-18mm is much sharper than it.
I am looking to buy it for video shoots.. would you recommend it?
@@MarvylousTV I do enjoy using this lens despite the softer edges, if you zoom in to 11mm and above it gets better, check out the platlist "sample and test" on my channel for some sample videos made with this lens
hi christophe. I am having a hard time in choosing between this lens and canon 10-22. What are your taughts?
Check out my ultra wide angle lens comparison video :-)
Which is the best 10-20mm wide angle lens for a Nikon DX Camera. How would you rate the Nikon Lens to Sigma and Tokina?
Chris, is there any chance you could retest the Sigma 10-20mm f3.5?
Why?
@@christopherfrost I just watched this video again. Here's the problem that I see but maybe I have it wrong but, when you shoot the wall the distance from your lens to the door is say 15 feet. If you measure to the top of the building where the corner of the picture is your probably measuring 25-30 feet to the lens. That would explain why stopping down the aperture sharpens the corners. Also most lenses are sharper stopped down a stop or two.
Hi Christopher! Could you please tell me which will be better lens for image quality considering sun flares also. Tokina 11-16 version II and Sigma 10-20 f3.5. I am deciding to purchase an ultra wide angle but getting confused between these two lenses.
I'm not sure I actually tested that on the 11-16 - it was a long time ago.
Do you think there will be an Art version of this lens?
Hmm, don't know. Maybe
I have the same rattling in this lens, do you know tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 AT-X116 Pro DX II have the same???
Hello, I wanted to know if this lens is compatible with the Nikon D610???
Hi Chris, would this lens be good for a Canon 60D for interior/property photography?
I think so!
Hi, I'm an amateur astrophotographer and I'm thinking about getting this lense because I want wide angle photos of the Milkyway. How do you think this lense works when taking photos of stars?
It'll be okay. Personally I'd prefer the Samyang 16mm f/2 although I'm not sure if it'd be wide angle enough
@@christopherfrost Hi, fwiw I'm pulling the trigger on the Sigma 10-16 f/3.5 specifically/exclusively for astrophotography shots, primarily the Milky Way. That type of image is a bit more forgiving in regards to vignetting, ISO 'noise', and various distortions (Coma & Barrel concerning me most atm). I'm looking very much forward to having a wide angle zoom in my kit and after (too) much deliberation on my part I am at peace with the choice being a Sigma (btw, 1st/Only Sigma in my kit atm .. I do have a Tokina 100mm f/2.8 Macro (LUV it) and my other lenses are all Nikons). Cheers
Does this go with the Nikon D3300 DX camera body? Can it also be used on a Nikon FX model in case I upgrade to one? Thanks!
Yes if you get the Nikon version, but it won't work properly on FX
Will the noise be picked up by a shotgun microphone (e.g rode video mic) mounted on a DSLR?
As i am thinking of using this for videography, but the vibration feels pretty strong/loud which might be captured.
Yes, it will, I'm afraid. Those shotgun mics are annoyingly good at picking up AF noises, I'm afraid
I have decided to get the 10-18mm STM version. Noise is really a factor when it comes down to videography.
keep up the good work bro.. I really enjoy your video. Straight to the point, sharing the pro and cons. At the end its the end user who have to decide what he/she really use that particular lense for.
Hi Christopher, what's the program you use for editing your videos? Thank you.
+Pau Oliver Sony Vegas :-)
+Christopher Frost Photography Oh! That's why I was asking you, I use Sony Vegas too and I have the same camera and lens as you in this video (70d and 10-20 Sigma) and I tried everything but I can't get the same quality as in your videos. All the ways of processing always give me bad quality or at least not the same as you. If you could send me somehow the way you do it it would be fantastic. Anyways I'm sorry for bothering you and thanks for your fast answer.
+Pau Oliver I just make sure I'm getting good quality out of the camera, and then I output the video to the internet 1080p setting (I modify the botrate to 20mps)
I have some experienced when using live view mode it not auto focus? but when using view finder auto focus was great.
Sounds like a problem with your camera, maybe
It appears that 10-18mm f4.5 canon with IS is best value for money buy. What you say dear?
used with APS-C sensors, you need to multiply the crop factor?
P.s. sorry for mistakes, i'm italian!:(
+giovanni pilia Yup.
thanks!:D
Hello there! I am using EOS90D, can I use 10-22mm SUM wide angle lens to shoot video? Thank you!
Sure, but there won't be any image stabilization
How Smoth is the Focus Ring?
will the pop onto a Nikon D610 full frame SLR without any issues ? obviously I have to buy a Nikon mount but is it DX or FX ?
+Gavin Burree It's for APS-C cameras, so on full-frame you'll get lots of vignetting
ok thanks Christopher back to the drawing board then ive got a really old 18mm 2.8 im just trying to find a lens hood for it
How extreme is the vignetting on a FF? Found one of these lenses locally for super cheap (~$55), but I have an A7S so I'm not sure if I should get it.
Very extreme at 10mm
This or the Tokina 11-20? What other option can you suggest for Nikon?
+yhakult Probably the Tokina, although the Sigma is nice (check out my review of the Tokina)
+Christopher Frost Photography thank you sir! yes i have seen both. Currently own a d3100 and looking to upgrade. But the Sony A7 lenses are quite expensive. Might as well buy a D7200
hi,
can i have your advise ? your ´preference among the canon efs 10-18mm and this sigma 10-20mm.
thank you.
Personally, I'd go for the Canon although they are both very nice.
@@christopherfrost thank you!!
And i have an oportunity to have my hands on canon Rf 35mm 1.8 and the first version of 35mm L 1.4...may i have your thoghts?
Aside the 3.5 aperture, would you suggest the Sigma 10-20 f4 to 5.6 or sigma 10-20 f3.5. In terms of picture quality and distortion
How this glass looks comparing to Art series? Comparable, or drastic difference?
I have a canon 70D. Would you recommend this or the Canon 10-18mm f4.5-5.6?
jrthomas252 I'd definitely go for the Canon lens
+Christopher Frost Photography Why "definitely" Chris? for optical quality over the more fast-wide Sigma? sharper?
Anyway, as I can see in reviews the Tokina 11-16 or new 11-20 are sharper and faster-wide than Sigma an Canon, Do you agree?
And one more question! I want it also for video so I wonder if we do have autofocus in live view mode with this two Tokina lens? Thanks
What’s the most super quite wide lens for my Nikon D7500? I need to shoot videos in 4K.
Have you compared this with the original 5-5.6 version?
What rating can bWhat rating can be given to lenses in terms of image quality?
10-20 4-5.6 Sigma
10-20 3.5 Sigma
10-22 Canon
or 10-18stm?
I want to buy an ultra wide angle lens...what would u suggest
1. Sigma 10-20mm f/3.5
2. Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8
Look at my ultra wide angle lens comparison video
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Sorry, I am a bit novice here... Isn't the aperture fixed at f/3.5? So then how to obtain f/5.6 and f/8..?
When he says it is fixed at 3.5 he means you can set it to 3.5 and zoom all the way in and out without it changing. Some lenses change the max aperture while zooming, for example some kit lenses are 3.5-5.6 which means if you shoot at 3.5 and then zoom all the way in, the aperture will close to 5.6. To avoid any confusion, a "fixed" aperture does let you change it to other settings like 5.6 or 8 like you asked and if you choose the max aperture (in this case 3.5) it will not change when zooming.
Hello!
Is this lens compatible with a Canon 1000d? I want to make a surprise for a friend and buy this lens but I don't know if he can take photos with his old dslr.
Yes it is
@@tobiasrehbein7251 Thank you!:)
Can I use this lens on a full frame to do star photography? Or will there be too much vignetting?
Yev Zakharov Mine is good from 14mm on my eos 6d.