Head of the Snake Part 4: Aftermath - Danger Close with Jack Carr
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- In May of 2011, Mark Owen crossed the Afghanistan-Pakistan border on a mission to capture/kill Osama bin Laden, the leader of al-Qaeda - to decapitate “The Head of the Snake.”
But that night in Abbottabad, Pakistan is just a part of Mark’s story.
In this special four-part series of Danger Close, Jack sits down for an extended interview with Mark to discuss the story you haven’t heard. Starting with Mark’s childhood in a remote Alaskan community to his early days in the SEAL Teams to 9/11 and the sustained combat that followed to his selection and training for a team at the highest echelons of special operations, this is Mark Owen unfiltered, candid, and uncensored. Mark would go on to take part in high-profile operations like the mission to rescue Captain Richard Phillips from Somali pirates and the search for Bowe Bergdahl. He would later work his way up a stairwell in a compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan and into a hallway where the most wanted terrorist in the world waited…
But, as Jack and Mark discuss, the aftermath of the raid would not only change the public profile of Naval Special Warfare, it would also alter the course of Mark’s life in ways he could have never anticipated.
IRONCLAD and SIG Sauer proudly present, The Head of the Snake: The Killing of UBL, a special Danger Close event.
Part 4: Aftermath
The days following the raid that killed Osama bin Laden were an exciting time for the American public, but for the men that were there the night he died things were taking a turn.
In the final installment of The Head of the Snake series, we learn about why Mark’s military career would soon come to an end, and how his decision to tell the public the story of the Bin Laden raid drew the ire of the Pentagon.
It’s a fascinating look at the post-9/11 American military, issues within the Navy Special Warfare community, how the Defense Department deals with internal controversies, and more.
Mark Owen’s first book - No Easy Day: The Firsthand Account of the Mission that Killed Osama Bin Laden
Mark Owen’s second book - No Hero: The Evolution of a Navy SEAL
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Today’s episode is presented by SIG Sauer.
Today’s show is also brought to you by Black Rifle Coffee.
Danger Close is an IRONCLAD original.
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Jack, this was legit. Your ability to keep the conversation going and ask great questions is remarkable. Keep ‘em coming sir.
Guys I’m just damn proud that y’all are on our side! Thank you brothers! Stay safe and be strong as you always are!
I don't want this to end! excellent interview, sad it's over but i appreciate Mark so much for allowing this story to be told. Cool hearing about the show, just an awesome interview. Thanks Jack!
Lions led by Donkeys.
We suffer from the same disease on this side of the pond.
Great 4 part series.
Just ordered both Marks books on Audible.
Standards have been set so I’m expecting a lot from them.
Per Mare Per Terram
That was beautiful that Jack shared the story about mark helping his son
Couldn't stop watching it. The story is just absolutely inspiring. Appreciate it, Jack and Mark.
Dude I didn't know that Mark is behind The SEAL Team. No Wonder I love the show and think that It's so well done. We're only on season 4 here in Sweden. It's becoming a addition for me💪😂
that show is cringe af
@@Yambag I think the show is amazing!!
@@Becarhodzic oof
@@Yambag has a good sound track tbf
Most eye opening interview ever. Shows just how F'd up our military/ government really is. I was medically retired after 30 years 11 months of service and I am very jaded towards the government. Massive respect to "Mark" for what he did for our country and all the needless BS he'd had to endure. Guys like you make me proud to have served. Prayers and many thanks to you!
Well said!! Thank you!
You have the best sound of any podcast I've ever listened. Your microphones are excellent.
What an amazing conversation!! Thank you both for your service!! The love and respect the two of you have for each other came through so easily and made these four episodes my favorite! Thank you both again for your commitment and service, you're both very inspiring.
I thought the raid episode was gonna be the best one…but now I think this one’s it. Wasn’t a SEAL, wasn’t a team guy at all. Army Infantry, deployments in Afghanistan, worked with ODAs. Had a deployment of a lifetime. Decided I’d get out. Transitioning from THAT to civilian life was the most difficult thing I’ve ever done. I separated in 2016 and still dealing with it right now as I type this. I can’t even imagine what it’s like to be in 15-20 years where a good majority was with DevGroup. That must be a wild fucking ride of a transition. Especially when you’re the guy dealing with civilians again and you’re the guy constantly plying over and over in your head ‘’…I was on the fucking Bin Laden raid.’’ I can’t even imagine THAT
I appreciate you and what you did brother. Much love
AMAZING, INSPIRING, FANTASTIC INTERVIEW BY ONE OF THE WORLDS PREMIER AUTHORS........THANX JACK
1st and only book I read in one sitting. Incredible perspective
Riveting! Compelling! A special thanks to both you and Mark. Thank you for the opportunity to learn the story behind the story of his life. There's a lot to digest from this podcast and so much to learn. You are a master storyteller in books, but just as much in your conversations like this one. Love that you were nothing but a loyal friend to Mark and never stopped finding way to support him. The fact is, he did the same and that changed both of your lives for the better.
Amazing Story and Interview. I have, up until now, largely been confused about Mark, primarily from the negative media stories and even from others within the SEAL community. Now, seeing him, hearing him and listening to your interview, I am finally starting to understand. What an incredibly humble and giving American! Thank you. 🇺🇸
Phenomenal interview! I'm upset that "Mark" got treated the way he did after his book was published. I recently watched the interview with Eddie Gallagher and saw how he was treated as well. I'm baffled as to why the Government wants to make an example of these warriors after they put their life on the line for us. I'm certainly looking forward to your next interview as well as "Mark's" next book.
I think a lot of it has to deal with people who never served and have a massive ego. They feel like they need to let everyone know they're the ones in charge. It's sad.
@@dillydoor or the Department of Defense has regulations that could be it
@@mickfunny4185 He’s had to forfeit the 6 million profits back to the government in 2012. Yet the book is not banned and still available for sale. I can provide the source of info for this allegation.
How is that fair? If Mark’s not profiting from this book..why is the government? If it broke all the various regulations, why didn’t they put out a cease on the book? Maybe the like the advertising as a navy recruiting tool..but don’t allow this former seal to profit. How is that fair?
I bet has to do Mark didn't give Obama, Biden, Hillary and others in high places no credit in his book.
Bro, c’mon, there’s a night and day difference between Mark Owen and Eddie Gallagher.
Owen is a humble patriot who got persecuted for telling truths that made the government look bad. Gallagher is an arrogant wannabe who shot a civilian in Afghanistan while attached to an Special Forces ODA and got kicked off the operation years before *his own SEAL platoon* turned him in for atrocities. Yes, he was found not guilty, mostly because the prosecutors and investigators suck at their jobs.
It’d be great to see one of the SEALs who turned in Gallagher finally be interviewed, get their side of the story regarding the events in Iraq.
Mark Owen: Good dude.
Eddie Gallagher: Exact opposite of a good dude.
Great , informative interview. I was one of the guys who judged Mark harshly for talking/writing.
His personal reasons coupled with the timing of events with higher ups make a huge difference. While years later may help and I am not the type to do what he did, I understand better.
You ate obviously a good man with good intentions and You do good things. Who can argue with that.
Thank you. I’m a retired football player and experiencing similar symptoms. I’ve been going to a Plasticity center. Very helpful. Although I haven’t had experienced the intense situations you have, it’s still pretty crazy. Thank you.
I thought this would be the least interesting part of the series but it’s actually the most interesting.
Much respect to both these men.
I’ve had both of his books for quite awhile now and just recently finished reading them. Then discovered this podcast. All excellent! Thanks guys!
I read this book in 2013 while in Afghanistan. It changed the trajectory of my time in service and it is still one of my favorite books to this day, if you haven’t read it yet your wrong…
Thank you, Jack once again for a brilliant podcasts. Two men of honor and commitment to country, service, family, and friends. Impressive!
Just know your book has changed my life !!! 3ft world!!! Best advice i ever heard And never quit!!!! I kept adapting and overcoming and im doing great for me and my family, your book was the catalyst and have been obsessed ever since!! Hooyah!! Mark!!
Kudos Jack and Mark for this. An outstanding conversation 👏 👌. Two evidently squared away gentlemen with amazing stories to tell.
Thank you, Jack, for giving ‘Mark Owens’ the opportunity to present his story of life in the SEALs, and the opportunity to defend himself from an obviously biased DOD, unjustly, because of the prejudice of their political civilian leaders. Seeing how what you went through to get published when you were the poster child for SEAL recruitment, knowing of their former military having to wait 6 to 18 months for DOD to approve their publications, it fills me with disgust. What they did to Mark is truly the bottom of the barrel disgusting. The current leadership of the Democratic Party deserves the contempt the military has for them.Benghazi wasn’t enough insult. The greedy politicians wanted the spotlight exclusively on them and decided to flex their muscles. The 4 part series needs to be seen by all levels of military, to see your future journey in dealing with these politicians now and in the future. I admire the courage of all of you.
Thank you gentlemen…what an incredible experience! God Bless you both.
This guy seem to hate the leadership in this country. I wish these guys would get into politics and fight for our country again against these horrible woke lowlifes in charge of everything. Thanks for all you’ve done
It sucks that they have to get in the arena and fight again, but God willing, we need them. Terribly. If I didn't have DeSantis as governor, I can't even imagine the turmoil my life would've experienced in a locked down state. Certainly would've been good for nobody because I will not be complying with tyranny. We need these wonderful soldiers to bring their knowledge and will to fight to the political arena, undoubtedly.
Excellent conversation, excellent story. Excellent listening and glad it was way more than just the UBL mission. I don't listen to too many podcasts but this has changed my mind. And good to connect with one of my favorite authors between books.
I’m glad you guys talked about the transition out of the Military. This is something that is not talked about enough, how challenging it is and possibly one of the hardest things we will ever do but we have the capability to impact our country and world in other ways. The knowledge, both hard and soft skillsets, and mindset and much more will always come out in whatever we decided to do. It’s just accepting to close the chapter being in the military and it’s time to move on.
This series of interviews should be played on every tv network and be required to be watched in every classroom in the USA.
it's interesting to think that a guy that did all he could, along with all of his peers doing all they could, would be cast aside by not only his government, but also those same peers and his nation. Kudos to you Jack for being his friend and letting him tell this story in such a riveting fashion. I have bought and read everyone of yours and his books, not only for the story but to support you all as well.
Right on man✊
It is an outrage.
Jack, a brilliant conversation, you and Mark are solid, thank you for your service .. love all the books.. you guys are an inspiration … keep it up…
"Mark" is a good ass dude. I'm so glad you got him on this. So great to hear him.give his perspective on everything. You see the real difference between him and RO, who is always out telling the tale. It just goes to show all the nonsense about Matt wanting to take profit on his experience with ubl really does go out the window when you compare the two guys, the major fact being he still doesn't go by his name and always blurs his face.
Exactly what I was thinking about O’Neill.. I wonder if he’s referencing him when he talks about the guy who “wrote the book but did a little bit less” ??
Enjoyed this set of shows a lot, some good stories and insights, nice comfortable conversations about a couple of down to earth guys.
Amazing series! Thank you🙏🇺🇸
Awesome 4 part series,what a great interview with a awesome guy,loved the story about your son,i have a son in the Navy whose son has cerebral palsy who will need care the rest of his life
Absolutely outstanding series. Thank you both.
I appreciate the service and the continue service that you do with your podcast and books. I thoroughly enjoyed the books. And I believe you still serve our nation with your knowledge and experience it is invaluable.
“Roger that. You’re now going to be a character in my book.” Oorah!
Mark Owen I am so sorry that you had to go through all the crap. It is embarassing as an American. Write some more, I'll buy them all. Jack, thanks for the books, keep'em coming.
Great series! Shameful how our warriors are treated by the one's who send them into harms way.
I have just watched all 4 episodes and what an amazing person he is and thank you for sharing keep up the hard work love the podcasts
great interview, I enjoyed the rhythm to the questions and allowing him to explain his thought the process for something he may regret in consequence but not intent
Great Series Dudes!
Thank You both for the inspiration and we honor your service and sacrifices...
Jack, enjoyed all the books, this has been a great series. Mark Owen (?) seem to be a guy you have to stand beside, seems NCIS has watched too much TV and thinks they're all Gibbs. Thanks for your incite and story telling skills. Need to pick up his book now.
Great interview, Great motivational podcast, thank you for sharing 👍👍
Jack great 4 part series glad i found your podcast.
Fantastic interview on so many levels. Stumbled upon completely by accident after listening to your Billy Billingham interview. I’ll absolutely be picking up Mark’s second book and looking at yours too :)
So many more interviews on here to listen too. Keep up the good work 👍🏻
This series was outstanding 💪🏼🇺🇸
Very good interview, enjoyed learning about "leaks". What a hard road he traveled after book.
The first podcaster that gets mark and Rob to sit down together will be king
Much Respect to Mark. A true warrior. God Bless
Thank you both for your service.
🙏🙏🙏❤
Phenomenal.
I appreciate you, G & M.
Best series by far bro thanks
It's like the military Flag Staff organizing conferences and meetings specifically in the regions of conflict zones so that they can "earn" their ribbon. Most people don't realize that the requirements to qualify are: being in the region for 2 consecutive months which means if you are there the last day of one month and the first day of the next you qualify. That's why you see Officers with a chest full of ribbons. For them it's all about their Fitreps. They take 2 yr billets in various specialized commands and never really do anything.
Great content. And keep the books coming. I have them all on audible.
Bravo Zulu to both of you. Thanks for telling the story, it’s one that needed to be told. My condolences on the assholes in our government who made your life hell.
This was an amazing series, thanks! I want to add I love the idea around 8:00 about the internship. Twenty years in made me a pessimist unfortunately. That may float at Tier level units, but there is no way at the big Army is going to pay anyone for 30 days while out on a transitional internship. They will get every pound of flesh they think they are owed and no Senior level Officer or NCO would stick their neck out for that idea.
Great series.
Amazing interviews.... thanks for sharing
Brilliant!
I thoroughly enjoyed listening to this series, not for all of the education on the event of killing UBL, but more for the insight into the minds of these warriors. I will never have the opportunity to meet men like these, but having these interviews is very close to just sitting around a campfire while they are sharing experiences, reminiscing, laughing and enjoying each others' company. So grateful for what they have done for us!
Good to hear he reconnected with His faith.
John 3:16 / John 14:6
That video game that Mark speaks of is an absolute legendary game by the way. MOH
Need more of this!!
Great series
This has to be Reece, close to Raife but Reece wasnt in DevGru. I guess we’ll never know. Book 4 is on the way. Great interview🤙
Very inspirational. Thank You.
Great interview!
Very enjoyable podcast series :)
TAPS is a GIANT POS, skills bridge is fairly legit. Thanks for this conversation.
Thanks for this fascinating discussion.
The one year, multi-internships idea is a great one - it's almost new workforce development
Jack and M.O for the Win!
God rest your soul Larry After having a father-in-law that came back from Vietnam without his sanity it’s very clear to me the military does not care about you once you’re done he had to be without teeth for three weeks and drive to the other side of the state to get his dentures fitted and that’s just one of the million examples
I’m former military, and I was soooo impressed with this interview. I feel like I just got done watching my favorite preacher and his sermon was reading my mail.
This was Great! Thank you. God bless
I've been taking shots of espresso every time he says "Right?" and oh dear, I've skidded my knickers.
44:45
This is the correct move, and Im glad Jack said it. Bring em back into the fold, don't push em out in the cold.
sick. part 4 in!
I want to hear about the malpractice suit against the first lawyer who gave you bad advice.
New subscriber here. So interesting!
This guy is not the same guy that was leaked as “Matt B”
Mark, if you read this I want you to know that you are a legend in my eyes. I really hope life is treating you well. Also, if you were to ever do a GoFundMe to recoup all of the money you lost from No Easy Day, I'd gladly donate. Cheers, sir! 🍻
Jack you and Mark discussed a magnetic therapy that sounds like it might be something that might help my grandson, but I didn’t quite get the name or where I can find where it is based. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
There is a absolute 2 tiered justice system. First term limits for Congress
Until that happens nothing will change continues to get worse. No hero was a great book I want to hear besides that raid. And that was good book hope he puts out a 3rd book.
Anyone with half a clue sees that you didn't do it for selfish reasons. (unlike some other authors who have hit the lecture circuits for big $$$)
NSW was butthurt that they didn't have their fingers in your pie...and weren't able to 'franchise' you.
I’ve always been confused about why he was PNG’d…
To hear how the government has went after him over a book is sickening especially after the Afghan withdrawal and leaving millions of dollars worth of equipment that’s going to be turned on innocent civilians and ultimately our kids or grandchildren will have to go back and face one day it’s like wtf is the government serious smh
He's not just the drunk uncle, he's the uncle you keep your children away from.
Gotta Say sounds to me like Mark Owen did everything right in the steps before writing the book. Who am I to say cause I don't know anything...but it might have been naive of him to think he could put out a book so soon after the mission and that it wouldn't cause ALOT of pushback from the Seal Community...but in hearing his explanations...it all sounds like he did the right thing. I wish him the best.
Really, every service member knows books need to be reviewed ahead of time. Why is he putting it on his attorney? I can remember signing paperwork the stated I couldn’t write about anything for 75 years.
This was an extraordinary 4 part series! Great job to all involved.
When the JAG and NCIS, (Which was NIS when I was in) talk went into the legal nightmare I laughed, got mad, laughed again and kept that cycle up as it reminded me of a couple "Instances" that I had when I was in.
The legal talk reminded me about their dishonesty and/or how much they lie and drag their feet. The legalese also reminded me how an agreement with Navy legal and the Navy itself doesn't mean shit to them but it had better mean the world to us peons on our end or they hit you with "What about the agreement we talked about, don't you have any honor or pride?" while at the same time they all know that they have no intentions of having honor or pride on their end.
I also couldn't help but think "That's the good old government and government employees that has nothing but the best interests and 100% concern for the well being of each and every American citizen" and then realizing that there is no way we can ever vote our way out of this mess.
Loan survivor and American sniper both where wildly in accurate and bad leadership especially in nsw
whats the book that his former team leader wrote?
Touching The Dragon (Jimmy Hatch - Spikes K9 Fund)
So this is guy who was in the stack with O’Neil yeah
Does anyone here know the name David Madden?
What about Robert O'Neill's account of what happened? Owen and O'Neill both claim to be second in line behind the point man. Has O'Neill been discredited?