Head of the Snake Part 1: The Road to Afghanistan - Danger Close with Jack Carr
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ม.ค. 2022
- In May of 2011, Mark Owen crossed the Afghanistan-Pakistan border on a mission to capture/kill Osama bin Laden, the leader of al-Qaeda - to decapitate “The Head of the Snake.”
But that night in Abbottabad, Pakistan is just a part of Mark’s story.
In this special four-part series of Danger Close, Jack sits down for an extended interview with Mark to discuss the story you haven’t heard. Starting with Mark’s childhood in a remote Alaskan community to his early days in the SEAL Teams to 9/11 and the sustained combat that followed to his selection and training for a team at the highest echelons of special operations, this is Mark Owen unfiltered, candid, and uncensored. Mark would go on to take part in high-profile operations like the mission to rescue Captain Richard Phillips from Somali pirates and the search for Bowe Bergdahl. He would later work his way up a stairwell in a compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan and into a hallway where the most wanted terrorist in the world waited…
But, as Jack and Mark discuss, the aftermath of the raid would not only change the public profile of Naval Special Warfare, it would also alter the course of Mark’s life in ways he could have never anticipated.
IRONCLAD and SIG Sauer proudly present, The Head of the Snake: The Killing of UBL, a special Danger Close event.
Part 1: The Road to Afghanistan
Long before he was a part of one of the U.S. military’s most high-profile missions, Mark Owen was the child of Christian missionaries living in a remote village in Alaska. It was there that he would begin to learn the survival and shooting skills that would become major assets in some of the most dangerous operations conducted in the War on Terror.
In part 1 of the Head of the Snake series, Jack hears about Mark’s childhood, his early days as a Navy SEAL, and how the 9/11 attacks would revolutionize special operations.
Mark Owen’s books:
No Easy Day: The Firsthand Account of the Mission that Killed Osama Bin Laden
www.amazon.com/No-Easy-Day-Fi...
No Hero: The Evolution of a Navy SEAL
www.amazon.com/No-Hero-Evolut...
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I hate what happened to Mark. This dude should be looked at as a bad ass warfighter who put his life on the line rather than a guy that didn't get his story vetted by the Govt. I'm glad he did what he did because we deserve the real story and not some propaganda bs they wanted to spin. And we all know that's why they went at him. I understand why he did, AND SAID everything in the book. Cheers to you, Mr Mark Owen.
No Easy Day was my favorite book for pleasure reading. It led me to all of Jack Carr's novels. Looking forward to reading No Hero
@@pitchartheerathorn2033 I have "NO HERO", also. Great read. I hope he does more. I think it would be cool to meet him one day.
Been waiting for this since you announced. Thank you for all you do
Big Fan of Jack. It would be nice if Mark was able to get a word in on the conversation.
He does like the sound of his own voice.
came to the comments section to make this EXACT comment. Jack actually interviewed himself, here.
Everybody is a critic…
Nah, he isn’t Rob O’Neill! Probably took some ibuprofen, adderall or a power drink bc most don’t favor interviews and probably has injuries that make sitting painful for hours.
Agreed.
Truly an amazing opportunity to have his story and this story be heard, this time on video- and with you guiding the conversation to boot. Thank you!
Been waiting all weekend for this!!
So glad this happened. I’ve loved his books since no easy day was released, was hoping to hear more from him eventually, and then Jack came and brought the heat. Can’t wait for the rest.
I enjoyed Mark's books, and shared them with my son. Great start and I'm looking forward to the rest of the series. Thanks to all who helped put this together.
I could listen to yall talk for days, really great to hear yalls story
Thanks for interview! Looking forward to the others.
This is completely sweet. I'm a big fan of Mark. Thanks for doing this.
Watching now. Been looking forward to this one.
Looking forward to part 2. Love your work. Keep fighting.
These are outstanding Jack!! Keep em' coming!!
Thanks for your service! Love your books, looking forward to hearing more. Thank you for sharing. Stay safe!
No Easy Day was one of the best non-fiction military books I had read at the time. There was a dark humor to it I didn't expect.
I been waiting for this one. Thank you 🙏🏼
Hi Jack, I am a fan of your books and am interested in hearing more interviews like this. As you develop your interview style, consider letting the guest talk more and you talk less about your own personal experiences. I felt like I was listening to two people on a first date, each excitedly talking about their own experiences rather than hearing you ask insightful questions about Mark's lived experiences for the audience to hear since he is the interviewee.
listen to the other podcast he does this was the first video like a first date.
Yep I totally agree - (I like Jack) but he seems more interested in talking about himself rather than focussing on the person he's supposed to be interviewing. That's not a sign of a good interviewer - Shawn Ryan has it spot on. He rarely talks about himself...he listens and asks questions....that's how it should be done.
I think it is more about the fact that they are reminiscing. A couple of brothers, beers and banter! I got just as much from Mark as from Jack.
Great Podcast & I am looking forward to your next one!
Just finished Jack's first book. It is awesome. Have started the 2nd. Can't wait!
Why isn't this trending? Lol this is huge. Thank you
Thank you Sirs! Shared.
Another great Interview Jack thanks so much for what you do! Love your podcasts and all your books!
thank you gentlemen. solid gold
Jack, slow down with the coffee and listen more. Just a friendly word of advice.
I watched a bunch of you guys talking about your life.This one is the best.love your childhood
I just finished his books, No easy day and No hero. Excellent reads! Thanks for this!
great interview
Thank you both.
You're great Americans!
Let's get it on. Part 2 now.
Great interview!
Holy f**k!!!
I've been waiting for this since birth!!
🇺🇲🤙🏻
Read both his books. Outstanding.
I read both of his books on my teen years, and I was amazed, it's crazy to me to be able to put a voice to the man, who inspired me to get in the Spanish army and now to be a LEO.
Awesome to hear man thanks for your service!
Did you ever see the 60 minutes interview he did where he talked about the raid? He did 2 interviews with 60 minutes. No doubt him writing that book and doing those interviews helped the SEALS more than it hurt. I bet his missions and also his later media and books did more for SEAL recruitment than anything. The guy is a true hero. As real as it gets.
Finally the wait is over.
Very interesting. Is it a weekly series?
anyone else get chills from that intro before the interview??! I love it
Interesting, Richard .Marcinko use to visit an area in northern California frequently. We missed many opportunities too meet him.
He had military friends in the area that were from other branches of the service.
Thanks for sharing your story. Thank you both for your service as well. God bless 🙏
Awesome
Great interview. 2.3K viewers in 4 hrs. Why criticize someone at any point for wanting to protect his and his families privacy and security.
This discussion is super cool. Definitely like the few cues taken from Jocko in the production here (even though I've been subbed for quite a while). I gotta say though, I'm not sure I get the whole redaction bar when the dude's name, story, and voice are all candid.
"I'm not sure I get the whole redaction bar" - Not to mention the fact that if you google search Owen, you can find plenty of images showing his face both with him in uniform, and in civvies. Don't really understand the redaction bar either with that in mind.
Mark Owen is not his real name.
Awesome back drop!
Jack at 35:00 so funny about washing out to the fleet. When I did my NROTC summer cruise they always had a Midshipman who had washed out of NROTC or USNA and was an E in the fleet.
Thanks for sharing his story looking forward to the following episodes. Please except Some listener’s feedback: I don’t know if you listen to your interviews but I think you’d notice your interviewee spends a lot of time listening to your shared experiences which are excellent; however I turned in to listen to you elicit his stories/experiences. No disrespect intended.
You're being honest. This is more of a conversation. He would have opened up more.... if he just let him talk
It might open up more next episode
Agreed. Like the others below said, I'm hoping this was just the warming up portion of the 4 parts and then lets him get more in depth later on.
It kind of felt like Jack didn’t really take in what was being said to him, and would just reply with a story of his own, it was more like an interview with himself, just my opinion.
Accept*
Much respect to both, but geez Jack you do not draw breath. Read both of his books so was looking forward to this. Found it pretty hard to watch. Silence is golden!
I've learned a few things about Alaska watching Molly of Denali, and now listening to him talking about his lifestyle over there it's quite familiar.
Let’s go!!!
Sounds so much like Rob O'Neil. Really enjoyed the interview. Just starting Savage Son. WOW! So Jack, was Jimmy Reece an homage to Lee Child? The audiobooks narrator is phenomenal! He almost sounds like Donald Sutherland. Thanks for continuing to introduce us to new books and continuing the knowledge transfer
I appreciate the way Matt Bissonnette chose the fake name, Mark Owen, to tell his story as a ST6 DEVGRU operator and the mission that killed OBL. Powerful! Still trying to figure out who "Red" was or if that was internal jargon for Point Man. O'Neal said he shot OBL, but so did Bissonnette and someone else too
Wow. Just wow. 👏
I’m a 72 yo grandma and I have read every Jack Carr book published. I love all of them. My husband was an army draftee in 1968 who trained at Ft Ord (now a jr college campus) and AIT in Georgia then sent to Vietnam as a forward observer and tunnel clearer. I was pregnant with our son when he left for Vietnam. He got notice of his new father status after the Red Cross notified the wrong solider. Needless to say that soldier was shocked. Realizing their mistake the office finally told my husband he was a father.
Good one.
Oh my gosh!! Did not know this…and, there are no secrets in Alaska. Good job young man. Love Bush AK!
Jack… Much respect for your service to our country and I love your podcast and really love your books.....BUT please let the guests speak. I'm listening to this first episode with Mark Owen you are doing all the talking, everyone wants to hear what Mark has to say. I'm 30 minutes in and I know more about you than him right now.
He does that a lot. I've tended to skip his podcasts lately for that reason but dove back in for this one. I want to enjoy them more but we'll see.
@@TheBvirgilio86 It's all the caffeine and the Jocko fuel energy drinks. But yeah I do agree you want to hear the guests speak. We all know that Jack was a savage, but we wanna hear what the guest has to say. Thanks. 🇺🇲💪🏽
He doesn't let the guest speak, very frustrating to listen to
Jack talking in Marks mouth all the time. so fucking annoying.
Attention on deck SEAL dudes, I respect what you do but I'm a blue water Navy guy and you NEVER mop, You SWAB THE DECK!.
At ease. Lol. Love you guys and much respect!
Ik it’s kind of out of your wheel house but I’d very much appreciate a video on the best of or your favorites of said books or Non fiction warfare tactics/history books or just some of your favorites in general
Still happens in remote areas of Alaska
Hate that place
I love how this is suppose to be an interview, but 75% of the time Jack is talking by himself.
Freaking horrible when interviews turn into the interviewer talking about himself. Do a Q&A or something if you want to tell your story. Let the guest tell his story.
I like the back and forth you get more information.
Gotta listen to them all. There is a lot of really good info in these. You gotta remember, these guys are really good friends getting together for the first time in a while as well. I prefer these as apposed to straight forward, question and answer interviews.
@@MrCashewkitty this is much better than a regular question and answer type thing. You’re spot on about that sir. A gentleman and a scholar I see.
@@MrCashewkitty Its not about it being a "question and answer type of thing" bro. Mark is really good at articulating himself and telling a story so with these kinds of guests, its better to just let them talk but kinda guide the story by asking questions here and there that the audience would be wondering. A good example would be DJ Shipleys interview with Shawn Ryan. Shawn just lets DJ talk and asks questions here and there to guide it and it goes perfectly. Mark is the kind of guest you can have that kinda interview with
Great video. One word of constructive criticism,,? It seemed like you were talking over and interrupting your guest quite a bit,. I know you guys are Pals and having fun,, but for us listening, its better to hear one at a time.. No disrespect intended,, great show.. ~Best
Mark Owens books are so damn good, read them both twice. Thinking about getting them a third read. Jack Carr, dude you're books are great too, ofc. Hehe but, there's a difference between Fiction and Biographies tho. 💪❤️🙏
Lads, I've just found these podcasts a few mins ago, does he go into devgru green team/ selection during any of the episodes ?? Thanks
I guess this is mark interviewing Jack. I found this podcast and was so excited to hear about marks story and it’s been all about Jack.
Thank you guys for serving as we are part of the 01% .
Thank you for your service bro and I love your show but idk anything more about matt than before bc he couldn’t get a word in lol
Marks book are great
Head of the snake part 1 is a great interview
SO GLAD HE GOT BISS ON HERE !!! DEF MY FAV SEAL AND HIS BOOK CHANGED MY LIFE!!! NEVER OUT THE FIGHT!!!!
@Eric Brierton how did his book *change* *your* *life* 🤔🤔
@@mickfunny4185 the whole seal ethos and mind set of never giving up and everything theyxstand for i used in my life to never give up and eventhough i had alot of set backs i puahed through and finished my degree and im doing really well as a gm making good money , but im not done yet, the onky easy day was yeaterday lol. And in turn , my kids have a better life that i have this mindset
So rad
The Alaska village is a lot different now but yeah as a Alaskan myself I love it here I don’t like in the village my family use to but I live in chugiak most of my life for the most part
Five Fucking Stars. This is a great one. Thanks
“No Easy Day” was one of the first SEAL books I read, if not the first.
I later joined in 2013-14 specifically to try to become a SEAL. I walked in to the recruiters office the Monday (02/04/2013) after Chris Kyle was killed on a Saturday (02/02/2013). His death made me feel like the time to step up and go was now. Unfortunately my recruiters had other plans.
I fell for every lie, and got discharged in bootcamp (sent to a separations division on processing day-4) for “fraudulent enlistment” as a direct result of listening to my recruiter when he told me, “just say no about that part” on one of the medical screening questions while I was filling it out while sitting across from him at his desk…
They manipulated & purposefully screwed up multiple things during my enlistment process, and on my paperwork, including putting a completely incorrect last name on 100% of my paperwork, and then the Navy permanently labeled me with fraud as a direct result of doing exactly what the men who were wearing the same uniform that I wanted to wear told me to do.
I’m still bitter about it.
Don’t be bitter bro. Be better. Let that stuff go and carry on.
Stop crying about it and be a grown ass man
I know the feeling. The Marine Corp did the same thing to me. Was planning on going recon. Recruiter told me to trust him and just tell them no. So I did. Next thing I know I'm getting booted. To top it off it was some dumb shit that if I told the truth I'd have been fine. Recruiters are lying ass bastards sometimes
You’re talking about how you didn’t become a seal 10 years ago lol let it go dude
@@TerryWhiskthat “fraudulent enlistment” DD214 is attached/connected to my social security number, and shows up on background checks. Explaining that situation to other people is very difficult. Most people seem to think negatively of me as a result of it instead of understanding what actually happened.
So it’s hard to “let that go” or forget about it when that situation will be attached/connected my SSN for the rest of my life.
It’s quite frustrating, as I hope you could appreciate.
I was willing to step up to the plate and sign that proverbial blank check worth up to and including my life, and I got screwed for it.
Jack drank too many Jocko energy drinks lol!!
You didn't just graduate BUDs, You were honor man
I did okay
Wow, we need more men like him
I have to Echo the Very same sentiments as everyone think. Thank You Fellas for you dedication to our Country. But let Him Speak. He by the was was the Writer of the Book. Loll
@Diddley 0651 when he’s talking about Outward Bound (🙄🙄) I counted at he talked for 5 minutes non stop, let the guests talk jeez
I'm shocked to hear that you two feel that pursuing college first was the correct choice. The only choices that I could visualize when leaving high-school were joining the armed forces, starting a career at the local furniture plant (now closed), or going to school. I ended up going to a technical school, powersports industry and followed that career. I don't know that a day goes by that I feel like I made the correct decision. I always feel like I could've taken this path later if I'd wanted to. Chances are I wouldn't have been the greatest enlisted man in history, but I'm old enough now to recognize that the younger me could have been some use for my country. I'm not bragging, just recognizing my greatest traits, but what I feel is that at the very least is that with my IQ and/or willingness to push my body I could've at least been an amazing trash hauler or something at the minimum. I guess it's easy to feel like I chose wrong because I've grown quite burnt out with the career I pursued, and feel trapped in it these days. You guys are probably correct, it was just interesting to hear that you unanimously felt that way. I suppose that since I'm knocking on 40 that it's natural for my brain to contemplate every "what might have been" that it can conjure up. I'm glad that our armed forces allow us the type of life where my career is the biggest stress that I have. I'm thankful for the people who have fought to allow me to have such benign worries. Thanks to everyone for making life so simple for us regular folk.
Not sure who's story I'm listening to, I thought it was supposed to be the guy who shot OBL.
I’m disabled now well it’s what ended my military career and obviously as I got older it’s way worse and no mobility anyways love to listen and take my after noon naps . It’s hard to sleep through the night pain has a way of reminding you it’s here and doesn’t want you to forget
It took me over a year to get into the army and when I first signed I was 34 and when I went to basic I was 35 august 17th still remember that date and it’s funny cause who really cares n obviously the day my career ended I remember certain things times etc
Matt Bissonnette is his real name. Mark Owen is a Nom De Plume.
I thought Matt Bissonnette came out as Mark Owen. Bissonnette doesn’t blur his face and this doesn’t sound like Bissonnette. So was Bissonnette lying? Is O’Neill lying? Is this guy lying? Who is Red? Did Red really pull the trigger? Did they canoe his face? If so, was it O’Neill?
Red killed him, Matt Bissonette shot him second, Rob O’Neill canoed him. Screwed up the picture release.
Awesome seal team is based on his life i love the show also but sucks its on paramount plus, 3ft world baby!!
Funny how the hair thing popped up at Benning. My Black hats would have a tassle fall out on the morning runs and I caught it.
Never forgot that.
I'm just really glad I'm not the only one annoyed with the fact jack is doin more talkin then the one the podcast is for.. can anyone tell me if the other 3 episodes for this podcast are the same so I dont waste my time?
@Tyler Tapp completely agree
Curious if this interview was about jack or owen
A lot of people seem to be upset with how much Jack is talking in this interview. It’s important to remember that Mark is not a very vocal person, he has given very few interviews and is very much a quiet professional. So either filler conversation or long periods of awkward silence.
yeah Matts a real quiet professional after running straight to hollywood at the behest of the agency after the raid.
Get off his d window licker
@@shidder_mutt I would suggest you listen to the rest of the series of this podcast. He explains why he decided to leave the Teams, write the book, and his desire to remain out of the public eyes with his true identity.
Si I am confused, is Rob O’Neil actually Mark Owen’s?
@1Tac Tundra no different people
That was bad ass man! I'm glad someone finally acknowledged "Demo Dick"
I love the other guy that looks like Richie Cunningham got all the Glory and Mark got iced!!!
Thanks for your service. As always our troops were fantastic and our government fucked them. As a 67 year old that loves America and was raised on Air Force bases I have seen it many times. We must return our coutry to those that love it. Thak you for being what I call a hero.
Maybe in parts 2-4 Mark will get to talk more than 5 seconds at a time......
in the first 3 minutes all i can think about is the mouth breather who would watch this and start the petition to change the mascot name. hope it doesnt happen.
We’ve all seen Mark, why the black out?
Is Matt Bissonnette real name of Mark Owen? I am confused cause this guy doesn't sound like him
"Grab a drink." Yeah, but NO Black Rifle Coffee, that's for sure.
Yeah that life experience dont half help with those north Atlantic U-boats . I dont think ive got enough experience to put it to the test though.
Way to spread em Jack… damn 😅
Mark sounds like David Rutherford haha
@Trevor Bostwick he sounds like Donald Sutherland
good thing Robert O Neill was there to save you.
Eng sub plz
I swear mark sounds like Charlie Sheen.
It's very annoying how the interviewer constantly speaks over the one being interviewed....less talking and more listening....very very annoying.
In Louisiana a lot, including myself are Half-Breeds. Native American & Nova Scotia Canadian French. Words like Sabine (native) Cachamae(native), and Ne*(French) there’s not an uncle or cousin that ever called me by name. It was Ne*… “G” supposed to be a racist word now. I’m a racist word. A proud one too.