Kyle Lamb: The Mogadishu Mile - Danger Close with Jack Carr
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- On today’s episode of Danger Close, a special operations legend returns to the show.
Sergeant Major Kyle Lamb served in the United States Army for more than two decades; over 15 of those years were in 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment - Delta, more commonly known as Delta Force.
During his career, he operated at the highest levels of special operations as an Assault Team Leader, Sniper Team Leader, Troop Sergeant Major, Combat Development Sergeant Major, and Task Force Sergeant Major.
In 1993, Kyle was involved in the Battle of Mogadishu, which was later depicted in the book and film Black Hawk Down.
Kyle went on to found the tactical gear and training company Viking Tactics. Today, he is the host of the Team VTAC Podcast and can often be found teaching at the SIG SAUER Academy or hunting the backcountry.
He is the author of Leadership in the Shadows , Green Eyes and Black Rifles: The Warriors Guide to Combat Carbine , and Stay in the Fight: Warriors Guide to the Combat Pistol
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My dad who is a retired cop, who actually left the police department to become a Minister was surprised when his 42 year old son (me) called him with Bible stories of Ehud and King David. Having been on Medical Leave for PTSD since this past June, his advice to me was "Keep listening, it sounds like something stuck". Thank you Jack and Kyle
Love to listen to SGM Lamb. Was the greatest time of my military career to work with SGM Lamb. Was the best of times and the worst of times 🇺🇸
Left gunner Super 61
My dad did the same thing. We grew up on the great lakes in Ohio and we always new to look to the lake for north and that was our nav point. Used the lake and the sun to see our place and relative time. Loved it. Miss ya pops, and appreciate your conversation gentlemen!
Among MOH recipients, Gordon and Shugart stand out for me, as they absolutely knew what they were asking and most likely knew it was a one-way ticket. Wolves 100%!
RIP warriors 🪦 🪦
When I was at basic down in Benning we had pictures of those two guys on the walls and I always looked at them said my little prayer n thank you kinda like I really looked up to them .
Lee Van Arsdale has talked about how it was not a suicide mission or anything. "They're type A personalities", of course they knew it was risky, but they're trained and competent and probably thought they could fight their way through it. The same pilot who picked up Busch at the first crash landed at the second crash but had trouble coordinating with Randy & Gary, and were forced to leave due to too much incoming fire. Had they been able to coordinate, maybe they could have all gotten out.
2023 will be 30 years since battle of Mogadishu
@@Jeffro5564 And 2053 will be 60 years since the battle.
Please encourage Kyle to finish the book on Bible war stories. It sounds like it would be an incredible read. Great podcast!!
Wonder if the 82nd guy is the SOB?
Our Faith is not a religion. I want nothing to do with religion. Spirit & Truth.
Had the pleasure of attending a presentation of Mr. Lamb. Several hours talking of the events at Mogadishu. He has a service dog with him. a couple times he had a bit of strain in his voice. His partner hanging around, taking it easy. It would pick up on his change of tone; get up and check on in. Kyle would give him a wave "its okay", and the pup would settle back down. Fascinating to see that.
How do he cope with the cognitive dissonance? Talking about the "noble Indians" and how "their land" was "stolen" by the US, while supporting Ukraine in their war for land that up until 1991 belonged to Russia?
I'm sure this dude also supports "our greatest ally" right now too. Which didn't exist at all before the land was given to them by Britain in 1948. How do you give a country that doesn't belong to you to a group of people? A "Colonial mandate". Oh right, also the volcano demon and their magic holy books said it belonged to them... I'd be willing to bet that most people have no clue what else their magic books say but you definitely wouldn't like it if we went around using them as guides to how everything should be. Unless you enjoy being referred to as "sub-human cattle that lack souls and exist solely to serve the chosen as slaves"? Or that a "child of 3 is a woman and can be married".. or that it's not a sin or a crime if one of the chosen robs, injures or kills a gentile.. But hey that part about the land Britain gave them in 1948, the land that didn't even belong to Britain, that's all 100% accurate. Give me a heckin' break.
Kyle is always an awesome conversationalist. Great podcast Jack. Thanks
When I started this podcast, I said, damn it’s 3hrs?!? When I finished it i said, it’s already over? It was an amazing podcast. SGM Lamb is a national treasure and all around great American.
Yeah we need a part 2
As a lapsed Methodist it's strange to be watching a 'Special Forces' podcast and coming away thinking I should catch up on my bible study.
Cure that lapse.
@@logiciskindnessNah, l'm good.
@@forddriver8827I don't know about him being a Methodist and all, but if you think the King James Bible isn't actual recorded history as well as future and something you desperately need to learn from, which would make you desperately not good? Then you are desperately not good. The Gospel (Good News) 1st Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV faith fully on that is humanity's only hope.
Sounds like you may be missing some religion and maybe God is pulling on you in some way and I noticed you chose to say Methodist and you didn't say that you put your faith on what Jesus Christ did for you or you didn't word that in some other way because it sounds like maybe you're feeling like maybe you're not right with God because you're not doing some Deeds consistently or you're not saying sorry enough or something like that or you're not practicing something that someone told you you're supposed to be doing all the time in order to hopefully make it to Heaven one day and if that's the garbage that you were being told, you definitely don't need to study any of that again. I do encourage you to get a King James Bible and read it in context and rightly divide the word of Truth and don't study religion, study that. The Gospel (Good News) 1st Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV faith on that right there to be more than sufficient to forgive you of all your sins past, present in future is the only thing that can forgive sin and once you've done that the Bible says you're sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise until the day of redemption and that's the most important thing I hope that you understand because no matter what else you may, do changing your Behavior and trying to do everything that you believe to be a good thing and doing everything you can not to do what you believe is wrong also being baptized and any other religious doings, none of that can forgive sin and none of it can get a person to heaven not even remotely close and that is what God says in His Word. Maybe God is falling on you and maybe you're right with God already and God is pulling on you to get away from something that's missing you up in your life and maybe you're being pulled towards religion by some other influence and I don't know, but I do just wonder if these kinds of things when I hear someone strongly refer to the name of a religion instead of God and or His Word. Being a good person can get no one to heaven, that's religious thinking and that's the thoughts of many people in the world that if they do something good on Earth than when they die something good is waiting for them and that's what every religion that I've ever heard of in my entire life believes, but the truth is there's absolutely nothing anyone could do in order to redeem themselves with God other than putting their complete total faith on what He did for them. Just wanted to let you know if you didn't know already and who knows what you might have done since a year ago, but maybe someone else will see this either way always make sure what you believe is true and you can do that by looking at the King James Bible and making sure that whatever you believe lines up with what it says in context when you rightly divide it or else you're going to be confused.
Kyle Lamb is an incredible dude.
Met him last year dear hunting here in Utah.
It's always a pleasure to listen to Kyle . Let me tell you the wolf and sheep dog part was really interesting .
Arguably two of the most dangerous men on the world? Maybe. More importantly? Two totally likeable guys who find contentment making other people content.
That's quite the goals and skillset
Part 2, yes please!! Great interview gentlemen! Thank you for sharing your experiences. Am right with you on the topic of tribe. It seemed to evolve slowly in me, am 100% there. Your explanation is so good. Being nurse in Alaska 40+ years, I was very familiar with it. What I had not done, was applied it to my life. Retired now…I have application! Listening to Glover and now you. Yes, it is very applicable in these times.
Kyle is a absolute legend
And
Thank you jack for inviting him to the podcast!
Thinking back on my time in the Corps and my deployment to Afghanistan I remember clearly on a number of occasions about the plates we were carrying in our plate carriers and how I wasn't going to not put my back plate in to reduce the wait. Thought about Blackhawk Down in those moments. Crazy to think that those lessons learned in blood carry throughout the ages.
It’s crazy Mike Durant’s wife was my 5th grade teacher. They weren’t together anymore I don’t think at the time but she still went by Mrs. Durant. I was in her class when the movie came out as well. Crazy stuff.
Amen, Caleb and Joshua were the only two of all the Isrealites who made it out of Eqypt to make it into the promised land.
The complete works of Marcus Aurelius is a must read!
We are forgiven because Jesus paid the debt for all our sins. We are redeemed through his blood. By grace we were saved.
To add to the mini gun story, Gary Gordon's plugger (gps) was found in Afghanistan in a bunker. i believe SN even confirmed.
Whoa.. I never heard that.. but that’s crazy if it true
It wasn't his GPS. It belogend to an Heli lost during op. Anaconda
Mr. Lamb is a national treasure. Mark Owen and this one are the best ones IMO you've done to date
Absolutely amazing interview. Kyle is an absolute warrior, very well spoken, and intelligent. I love listening to him talk.
I enlisted iin october 93 was all set to do Navy. went 12b after seeing Cliff W. getting dragged through the street! I was so mad anyway, thank you for everything guys! ESSAYONS!
I'd heard of Kyle Lamb but didn't know much about him. Awesome to hear he is a brother in christ!
Awesome gentleman, very smart and his books are awesome at least the few I’ve read.
Great interview! Really need to go check out the museum. I have not been there since I ETSed in 2000. I was a 504 guy as well. I went into the Army in the late 90s as an 11B. I remember training to just make tourniquets using the old OD green bandana and a stick. It was also trained as last resort. I also remember getting CLS certified and had to learn to do IVs and carried them in the CLS bags.
Strike hold! Thank god since post 9-11 we’ve learned to importance of having actual, real tourniquets available on every soldier. In the early part of both wars studies were done and even though we had made so many advancements in combat medicine.. people were dying from extremity wounds.
I love Kyles humility and honesty.
I have been a big fan of Kyle Lamb ever since I heard the story of the Mogadishu Mile. I had no idea how much bible knowledge the the man has. What a great podcast guys.
Total admiration for Kyle. Great warrior, instructor..AND author: “Green Eyes and Black Rifles”. Thanks for the interview Jack!
I can't believe you popped up, I just read The Devil's Hand and couldn't put it down, so well written and technically perfect in my opinion. You've let's us peek behind the wall you men stand on and crush the enemy while we sleep in peace. God bless all of you, and I'll be ordering the rest of these novels soon.
Man as always so great to listen to Kyle and Jack! I got absolutely no work done for 3.5 hours today Kyle always grasps my attention. Also hearing him talk about his faith is so refreshing and encouraging! Also @Kyle I WANT to read your book!
What a fantastic interview.
It is imperative to "get your bearings" specially when in new terrain or surroundings that are unknown...finding 'North' is the beginning to writing the map in your mind.
Lamb absolutely nailed it when he said "Suicide is the destination of the self-absorbed."
The best way to combat it is to get outside yourself and out of your own head to start serving , and putting others first.
Looking forward to Part 2. I knew of Kyle Lamb from the shooting community. Did not know "who" or "what" he really is. Awesome interview. Long, but hard to pause. Good men with great lives.
Kyle is a great guy and an excellent instructor! Great podcast !
I was still being trained to use an IV and push pasta water in people when I went through combat lifesaver course the last time in 2007. They were just giving us real tqs, and the medics told us not to use them because they would cause loss of limb. Even then I told them that was stupid because I’d rather lose a limb than bleed out and die. 🤦🏼♂️
Always great to hear guys from the unit share their thoughts and experiences.
Jack, thank you for your service (first off). Secondly, thank you for taking your daughter down to Pearl Harbor and allowing her to have that experience. Kids these days have no connection to the past and have no concept of history. It's quite sad. Glad to see some out there are raising their kids right.
What are your thoughts about using a circular/hash reticle like on the older MRO or EoTechs with a higher mount to give a second (and lower) reference point? High rise mounts with simple red dots just seem to allow for more slop when it comes to judging rifle cant and judging offset when transitioning between multiple targets in depth.
Currently running a T-2 micro on a lower 1/3 mount.
The irritating thing is people make Gary and Randy sound like suicidal, throw in the towel type people. When that’s not the case. A previous downed bird the little bird pilots swooped in and saved survivors and got them out before the enemy got there. Gary and Randy planned on getting a grab themselves. (any rescuer knows the jealousy we get when a friend gets a grab and we don’t). -- Mike Durant said it took a good 30minutes or more before the enemy started closing on the crash site. MIKE said when he told Gary & Randy he was NOT AMBULATORY, they both looked at each other like “Son of a B****, unhhh Shiii***!”. So most likely, In that moment they realized this wasn’t gonna be a Quick Grab & GO.
Unfortunately, they already committed to the rescue. Those that have performed high risk rescues will know, It’s a terrible sinking feeling when you realize you’ve got yourself in a “situation”. -- Mike said it wasn’t a rapid Mob attack. The enemy massed very slowly initially. As in a good 30-40minutes because the people were hiding in the houses. Then after 30min everybody started coming out, like “What’s taken place!?” Unfortunately Gary and Randy got delayed by Command and probably cost them there life. But it appears they had 100% confidence they could pull it off, (EXACTLY LIKE THE GUYS DID WITH THE 1st DOWNED BIRD)
people think skewing there intentions makes them look good. but in the rescue business we call it “Throwing in the towel, Quitting, giving up” at no point did they give up. They fought until they were dead. Which is far more honorable than making emotional decisions & being suicidal on the battle field.
The true warrior is humble and self assured. I am so impressed by these warriors. I can't stand listening to ego and bravado. I love reading all of Jack's books. Totally binged on it. Want more! I am a veteran myself (IDF). My way of giving back is playing music for kids (as opposed to pointing guns at them). Living amends is a real thing. It is very healing for the soul.
Wow, this man tells Jack Carr what's going on. Impressive. He learned "success is doing what's required" very young. How fortunate for him, took me decades to learn that little pearl. Kudos!
Outstanding Interview & perspectives from both of you Gentlemen!
One thought - on the question of Wolf or Sheepdog?
My mentor was a World War 1 veteran & fought in World War 2 in the OSS.
He taught me - "Most people are sheep but some are wolves and sometimes You have to be a Wolfhound!"
He didn't even entertain the idea of the Sheepdog.
A Woldhound has an inborn instinct, it hunts down the wolves, Even entering into their lair & kills every wolf it finds!
I like both what Jack & Kyle said in their considerations of the question but I think the binary question misses the point.
There are not Only Wolves and Sheepdogs... There Are Also Wolfhounds!!!
WHOO-YAH & Bravo Zulu Fellas!
Corpsman Out.
Great work. Trying to buy my books elsewhere I don't wanna give them any money. I have worked for Amazon and the way the treat their drivers is disgusting. Also allow their customers to harass and threaten drivers and keep getting serviced.
Roger SGM! Faith and Religion are different! Forgiven and Flawless are two different things! Thankfully! If we had to be flawless to be allowed in Heaven God would be lonely!
This is documentary based on the interviews with Malaysian army who served in UN peace mission in Mogadishu. The Malaysian army personnels described their true experiences there, especially what really happened during their rescue mission of American soldiers who were trapped at Bakara. Viewers can use English translation in the caption settings. TQ.
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Awesome again, Jack! Kyle is a good fella. Hey, sometime do a show or talk about the book Code Over Country. Although most of it Is opinion or misleading its good to hear about thoughts. Thanks
Weird how he went to England where his grandpa was from and saw the flue where lead was passed through and Kyle's job was passing lead through a modern flue known as a gun barrel.
What a great episode! Kyle is great! Thanks Jack!
Kyle going to Walcotts boys graduation really shows the kind of man he his . Makes me want to do better 🇺🇸
as an ex sf operator from the late '70s, you guys are so fortunate to still have your homeland. i met admiral nimitz jnr in london in '93 and missed the boat to serve stateside. what a ride that would have been but by then i'd met the sociopath it took a marriage to reveal.
this is a hail mary to the brotherhood for a hot extraction. not an easy ask but time comes ... ✌.
Fascinating interview. American heroes. I never thought of the sheepdog vs wolf analogy that closely. Great stuff, can't wait for part 2.
Two good men taking about important things. Great podcast!
Both of these Men are legends and true warriors, but I feel they are misunderstanding what a 'Sheepdog' is vs. a Wolf.
I'd argue a Wolf is a warrior who'll hunt anything and anyone, where a Sheepdog will hunt anything and anyone that threatens their herd. One is unrestrained aggression and one is focused aggression. IMO they're both excellent Sheep Dogs.
It's been a hot minute since I've seen a video with SGM Lamb. Nice one.
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"Show me a hero, and I'll prove he's a bum"
Except for Desmond T Doss
Pappy Boyington
That's a hell of a quote
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Wow. Hearing the Sergeant Major talk about his dad calibrating his senses by figuring out which way north is. I realize that I’ve been doing that basically my whole life. The only time, so far, I’ve ever been lost in the woods I was about 8 or 9. I stopped to check out some rabbit droppings and ended up jumping one and lost my bearings. I sat down on a log and just looked around for a few minutes. And finally between looking at the sun and listening to the creek it just kind of clicked which way was north. Then I walked straight home. I did orienteering later in high school ROTC but only did very rudimentary land nav in the Army. It sure helped out when I started policing trying to figure out where the hell I was.
Also the Army taught me to make tourniquets out of belts and boot laces and chest seals out of first aid dressing and MRE wrappers. But after I went to the combat lifesaver course I carried an IV……
And one thing I learned in a class years after I started policing is that the sheep dog doesn’t give a flying fuck about the sheep he’s there to “protect”. He’s basically using them as bait for a chance to stalk and kill the wolf.
T Y for this! Do you carry morphine as well?
A military conversation without constant f bombs. So interesting to hear from warriors who’ve been there. Thank you.
My Grandpa used to do that whole where's north thing he always knew where north was and it's awesome to see it brought up here
That (shooting the title page) is a cool idea. Kudos.
Some great advice and information here. I particularly like the discussion on the books you read. I met a former SAS chap of my acquaintance the other day. He never really talks very much. All the more reason why I hang on his words of wisdom. He told me the following as general pieces of advice: (1). Whenever you are in problematic situation with a group of people, always help out the person that you believe to be the weakest in the group. Help them, bring them along and support them. They gain from your strength and the group as a whole gains from this 'strength multiplier.' (2). Attack everything with a sense of humour. As the late Barry Humphries once said "if you are not laughing at yourself, you may be missing out on the biggest joke."
Keep up the great work guys. Best wishes from the town with "four thousand holes."
I respect CSM Lamb for a number of reasons; I envy him for two: his viking beard and an understanding wife. Great show gentleman, thank you.
Gettin to it late but I’ll say great job by both of u. Much respect
Five Fucking Stars!! Kyle Lamb is a great guest. His podcasts are great too. History, action, hunting and most of all shooting!
I think now today people should feel upset with people who use modern communications as a method of surveillance on common neighbors. Obviously this story in history serves as an example as to what people can accomplish by tracking and reporting peoples movements and daily routine. A lot can go wrong when you got a tick attached to your living and logistical situation
Jack, thank you for speaking about Jim Stockdale. My father was a flight surgeon for his air wing in ’65. Mom was traveling the orient w/ his wife Sybil and some of the other officers’ wives when the news came in that he was shot down. Bud Flagg is another aviator that should have his story told - from the Oriskany to 9/11. us
Amazing show gents. Just found your show and I am hooked. I love hearing the backstory of all these events.
Love the wolf and sheepdog analogy. That really took that to a new level.
Crazy thing, I went to school with Walcott’s kid for college. Didn’t know him to well but he was always a really cool guy whenever I did talk to him
I LOVED watching Black Sheep Squadron reruns growing up!! No one ever talks about that show. It was such a great show
Met Kyle Lamb back in 2013 at Gun Gallery in Jacksonville, FL, got to shoot some of his personal Salient M&Ps, über cool guy, super humble, gave his time to a small handful of gun nut, military history nerds when he didn't have to; great times.
Thanks for the Raven Knives shout out Jack! Hope it’s serving you well. Pretty cool
that I got to see you and Kyle both yesterday at the range and this was on when he was your guest, small world. 6:8!
Having accepted CHRIST as your SAVIOR doesn't mean you're perfect , it means you're forgiven ! GOD wants us to confess our sins and HE will forgive us ! PRAISE the LORD !
When I think of Raiffe, I think of Kyle. Great interview of a great man. I hope to see Raiffe and Reece on operation in a future novel.
This is such a great talk among friends. Lineage of IR pointers and illuminators was: AIM-1, PAQ-4, PEQ-2, PEQ-15
This is a fantastic interview.
Thank You Kyle Lamb for giving us Northern NY'ers a shout out for being separate from " The City"
Kyle is one of my favorite guys to listen to. I'm retired LE, and I reached a similar conclusion. I'm an Irish wolf hound, not a sheep dog.
So am I an Irish wolfhound. Just found out I was truly Irish this year via Internet genealogy. Direct descendant from the High King, among others. His lesson at the Battle of Clontarf was not to count your chickens until they are hatched.
I'm 1:09 into this pod cast and it's just the best interaction and informational thing I've ever heard. Simply amazing men. Thank you Kyle Lamb. Thank you Jack Carr. Humbling.
If your a Christian just remember Jesus served soldiers even the Roman who had his ear cut off by Peter so yes you can participate
It was a servant of the high priest night a Roman 😉
So is Paul Howe black balled or not liked within CAG? Seems like he never gets mentioned when people talk about Mogadishu. He is pretty outspoken about certain leadership and how it all went down.
I was hoping Jack would ask Kyle about Paul. Wonder if Paul was at that awards ceremony/reunion.
😱😱💥💪💪🥇this man is fearsome delta soldier( Vicking is the true of the true 🙏respect my brother arms Serge from Canada GTI team
The wolf question goes both ways, yes a wolf would sniff out and take out the enemy, but a shepherd cares more about protecting not only the owner but also the sheep, a soldier aren’t the owner of the dog, but the dog would give his life both for soldiers and the dog handler. The wolf would only care about its pack and only the pack. A wolf is therefore a aggressor and the shepherd a defender. When you do operation to kill or capture a target, you should be doing so to protect your country. Difference comes were you are doing a kill or capture for reason of aggression and not protection. The enemy is the wolf and you are the shepherd risking your life to go outside the wire to protect and serve your country by becoming a aggressor for the purpose of defence.
Another Great episode! You Guys Rock.
It's always fascinated me how philosophical these Tier 1 and 2 guys are. Anybody can rattle off some bullshit philosophy that they barely believe in, but there is real conviction with these guys. Their beliefs aren't surface level and I assume that is something you need to make it to that level. You have to become a true believer in whatever your philosophy is. It's very similar to what radicals go through, but it's usually frowned upon to call the good guys radical.
They have spent more time than most people thinking about what they do and why, and what they are ready to live and die for 🗽
Great discussion with Kyle!! Looking foward to part 2 already!!
Pre-ordered my copy earlier this week and got one of the shot through title pages. Can’t wait!!
Kyle and Melynda are great Americans! Awesome, personable business owners helping their fellow Americans, and they also seem like they have a wonderful relationship.
I'm not a good reader but I love listening to these podcast. That's my way of getting the true history and facts. I thank you for doing these shows.
F ing Awesome Podcast!!! Two Great Americans! Salute!
How many copies are you making available ? Ordered mine already, Im just curious. great work
I love how unassuming he is. Doesn't give any impression that he's anything other than a super nice guy you'd love to meet at the bar. Could be an alfalfa farmer, could be one of the top operators in U.S. history. You'd never know unless he wants you to.
I could listen to SGM Lamb all day.
Love the African hunting stories.
Thank you Kyle 🇺🇸
Ive listen to this a few time while riding my bike and its amazing. Keeps ot simple!
what were the two books jack told kyle to read? Love the podcast!! Thanks
Please stopp the video shiiit Jack!!!! Invite him to the studio. Covid is dead!!!!!
Black Rifle coffee: nope
1:22:00 for Mogadishu story
Awesome podcast Jack and Kyle! Thank you for letting this podcast happen especially in the times we live in. Jack you’re an awesome stud but also a great listener. Keep up the great work!!!
Listening might be one of the most underrated skills but you have an ability to keep great conversation.
Law enforcement protect NOBODY.
Correct