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- Here is why we think that litre bikes should not be riden by anyone especially a beginner!
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More often than not, what makes any motorcycle unsafe is usually the nut that connects the seat to the handlebar.
Truth. ~RyanF9
byknphil n lill p wise words
Who are you going to blame when you are dead in the street? As I see it, driving safety is the driver's responsibility. You want to come home safe at the end of the day so you have to anticipate errors from other drivers. Complain about it or learn to be a better driver, the result is the only thing that matters eventually.
@@henkondemand we are late to the party! He commented that 2 years ago lol
Brilliant
An old biker told me “it’s more fun to ride a slow motorcycle fast than it is to ride a fast motorcycle slow” and I hear that in my head any time I’m on a liter bike.
my philosophy is to go to the track and ride the fast bike fast haha.
Same thing with cars... It's why I have an MX5/Miata
I have a grom, does that count?
I believed that, overtaking the same guy on much better equipment in the corners lap after lap, then watching him blitz past on the straights...
Until I crashed. Crowd watching had been predicting it for laps, too.
Buy what suits what you do the most of.
You can ride a sports bike on a gravel road, or a tourer through a canyon. But in the end, you will have the most fun if the equipment matches the usage and your abilities.
Of course, for most of us, that's simple commuting.
That's why sports tourers and motards are really the best compromise bikes. They both really can do anything, don't do any of it badly, and generate big smiles at a speed which doesn't see you in prison after you pull off your helmet at the end of a run.
I’ve ridden some fun bikes, and my stupid Chinese electric bike, the Sur Ron, is my favorite. It’s interesting.
I have never ridden anything with two wheels and an engine in my entire life, and still somehow I watch this guy religiously
I've ridden with two wheels and an engine but that was when my Honda Civic got two flats on the highway so.....
Why then?
I have a lot of mates who watch him without really riding. Might be your calling though, pick up a nice cheap bike and give it a go!
Get a bike! Try it! Go trail riding where there's no traffic. It might change your life. It changed mine.
Same here. I’m a car guy..
Thats ok. I only ride a 998cc. MT10. Its a great bike. I love it.
Is it red LOL
@@jimboinue2372 all black actually. Looks awesome.
@@ScienceChap I love my black MT10. Such a beast >: )
It is not ok. Remember that when the engine used, cylinder walls will wear away and because of that total displacement of the engine will increase slightly. What that means is every time you swing your leg over that thing sooner or later your 998 cc capacity engine will hit liter mark and BOOM!
Welcome to "The Liter Club".
Agree 100% - I considered 1000cc bikes but just not practical - why I went with a 1340cc busa and a 1301 cc superduke - much better!
This guy is the best host on TH-cam. Original, insightful, funny and, perhaps most importantly, believable.
*Canadian, lol
I agree! I would watch him host an actual tv show
Its put together like an unscripted top gear. He obviously enjoys it and has a true passion. Researched well and caters to all experience and interest levels of bike riders.
I think what really separates him too, he's really a good rider, and he knows what he's talking about. He's clearly intelligent.... like, originally i thought he owned the chanel. Ryan could very easily be a presenter full time.
Agreed!
The feeling of opening up a 600cc: prepare, knock down a couple of gears to get the engine revving and you're away and get the job done. The feeling of opening up a litre bike: the world shrinks, you go into hyperspace and your heart rate double and all of this happens in the time it takes to twist the throttle. In any gear. It's terrifying and corrupting and additive and I love it. There's not much you can do on a 1000cc sports bike that you can't do on a 600cc just by getting into the right gear but the drama and the adrenaline is epic.
As a previous owner of both a GSX-R750 and an FJR1300, I can completely confirm.
The Gixxer was fast, but manageable. The FJR was a silk rocket of a Sport Cruiser.
I think the 600 has more drama, with the engine screaming like it's going to explode. I haven't rode a liter bike, but the GSX-R 750 was bad enough. It makes you back off before the engine has even started to spool up. It's more like teleporting.
@@mildyproductive9726 depends what you want. Sometimes drama is great, but for day-to-day riding the effortlessness of a 'Blade is unbeatable. You can tour on it, take track days, commute, anything except off-roading and you can do it fast and relaxed and with comfort. A CBF600RR may be more fun but all that dancing on the box and keeping the engine revving can be tiring, but I know a lot of people who use their Fireblades for everyday use, day in, day out, for everything.
@@KimSE4 you don't get the drama unless you want it, though. You can commute without ever exceeding 7k rpms.
The real problem is that they're more similar today, than different. When the supersport class started, a 600 produced less than 50 hp. And before all the electronic assists, you would be crazy to commute on a super bike. Today, a 600 is near enough a superbike if you drop 3 gears. And a liter bike can be ridden by a noob. The only difference is when you hit a long straight stretch of highway where you can open the throttle on a liter bike all the way for more than a second. And Ducati pulled out of making 600s and just started making 800cc bikes.
Started on a 125, moved up to a 250 and now I'm on a 900 Street Twin. Definitely the way to go and I would advise anyone starting out to begin small and work your way up. Learning to ride on a machine that can't get you in too much trouble was ideal for sure. It might be a little slower to get to your forever bike but it's well worth doing, it's also just fun to ride. You can really ride the hell out of a 125 but still be within the speed limit lol.
Same here, and for people worried they're going to get bored too soon. Eventually you're going to get bored of your 600 if all you want is power. You're just cutting the lifespan of your riding time short, cutting the lifespan of your riding time short by jumping the gun
Ryan F9 is such a brilliant presenter. His topics are always incredibly well researched. He also has the ability to make generally boring subjects interesting with his whit and charm. The guy is quite possibly the best thing on TH-cam
Should you? No.
Should you be able to if you want to? Absolutely.
i think that that's a good plan for almost anything you can do
Theodore Marakas Agreed, but so will Scheer :( but that’s another video
@Theodore Marakas you can buy liter bikes in europe too.
@Theodore Marakas yeah but europe is full of communist liberals. even the american left are right of center compared to europe.
@Theodore Marakas well think about it like this- the government enacted sweeping tax cuts for corporations and the rich, which is essentially welfare and government hand outs for the rich- and while they post record breaking profits and production increases, wages have stagnated. Why should the companies that shaft our pay be given such great advantages with OUR tax money? Shouldn't we get something too? I mean we're paying for it. 200 BILLION at least in tax breaks under Trump for corporations, while we don't even have decent healthcare. Singapore has full coverage healthcare for 1/5th the cost per capita of the US. That's insane and it's disgusting that the supposed greatest country in the world can't even keep our own citizens from dying, while affording such massive breaks and incentives for companies to shit on our planet and poison our air.
I agree you shouldn't ride a litre bike, that's why I ride a GSX1400, ha ha
Rufus Me Too!! A Blue White 07. How awesome are these things!?!
Taniwha351..not that awesome since I can kick their asses with a 750 lol
@@bonnivilleblackcherry9745 But can you do it two up with 6 days luggage?
Typical litre bike rider comment lol
I'm a newbie and a pussy so im 250
As a bigger guy,
I started out in a 650cc, which is totally capable and comfortable. After about due years I got my first liter bike, and it was like going from a fit cycling to a V8. The smallest bikes handle the curves better, buy the liter bikes have a another ride and more power on demand in any gear at any speed ( even two up).
Litre bikes certainly can be ridden safely on the road. Many riders have used the Hayabusa as a sport tourer for years without incident. As for myself, I could hardly wait to get my hands on a ZX-11 when they were introduced in 1990. My Sunday rides from Denver to different destinations in the mountains were awesome. But after a year, I decided that riding the machine, even on sterling mountain highways, was akin to showing up at an indoor shooting range with a howitzer. I still miss it.
I feel really stupid, now that I know, it's a “litre bike“ intead of a “leader bike“ as I always thought....
1987 Zastava Yugo GV I must admit I too used to think it was Leader bike. 1000cc it’s what they call a Liter. I’m slow too at catching on. 35 years without a bike so in June I bought the Kawasaki Vulcan 650 S. Any more balls than this would freak me out.
Same
That is stupid. Feel it!
Ha! 👍
I've always said Leader Bike instead of Liter Bike, and will continue to do so simply because, imo it sounds better 🤷🏼♂️
So your saying we should buy turbo-ed 1350 cc bikes?
Busa bois rise up
@@kevinstephens9019 Wrum Wrum
HELL YEAAA!!!
Nightdare - that's YOU'RE, the contraction of YOU ARE, not YOUR denoting possession of something.
@@markfox1545 settle down. You understood what he meant, so communication was perfectly achieved.
I'm a pilot and your metaphor made me want to buy a liter bike
(Watched the whole video btw)
So I’m just adding my opinion to go along with his last word here. True, ain’t nothing wrong with buying what you like but a least be a rider that is worthy of the bike that you want instead being that guy who is constantly scared of his own bike. Some bikes are beginner friendly but none of bikes are “idiot” friendly so ride with care, know your limit and well don’t be an idiot.
I agree with F9. I've had 10 bikes, 3 which are liter bikes. I finally realized how ridiculous it is to ride one in modern day traffic. You can barely use 1/3 of bikes potential on road. I've switched to a 600 naked bike and its so much more comfy and actually useable in today's traffic. Feels the same or better than my liter bikes other than those 30 sec sprints of doing 180mph
z900rs has balls down low and will still do 130 in about 10-12 seconds, if Kawasaki made a naked 636 I would have one, but I was NOT buying a 650
I thought about a cb650r until I learned they are no longer made in Japan, I don't buy vehicles unless the vin starts with J, I compromised with my 98 civic it was assembled in the uk
600cc still pulls like a steam train.
I have owned many Bikes throughout the years mostly 600s. Bought my 1st R1 and I can honestly say I would never look back. Love the torque, Flies through corners, it's awesome.
The first time I rode an R1 was probably the most alive I've ever felt. Pick a gear, any of them, and roll the throttle out like a sleeping bag. You've just activated hyperdrive. You simultaneously feel invincible and fragile as hell because you know that nobody currently driving on that highway could catch you, but you also know all it takes is too much brake to send this sentient bag of blood and muscles and pus and bones down the road, proving it's most proficient at being a cheese grater for the human body.
What more could I say when I returned it to the owner but "I want it."
Exactly the same. Have never ridden anything like it. Stopped me buying one in my tracks as I couldn’t afford to lose my license 😀
See thats the problem, I do not want to FLY through the corner.
For what it's worth, my first bike was a 1994 Honda CB400. After a year, I scored a good deal on a 2008 Triumph Speed Triple. The CB400 was critical in my developing fundamentals before moving up an additional 680cc's; especially on some of the more narrow streets around Japan.
Go home gi
I went from a suzuki boulevard C50T cruiser to an FZ1 a week ago
The one stand out thing to me is you don't ever need to downshift. At 35 in 6th you can trust the throttle and accelerate way faster then you ever need to without even using full throttle.
It's addictive and I love it.
The FZ1 is a great bike. Gen1's are my favorite. So much torque. Very modifiable. I have one with 151rwhp @5000'asl and hardbags from an FJR! So much fun dusting a 600 sportbike from a stoplight when mine has bags!!!
The problem with all dangerous activities is that dead people aren't around to tell their stories. It's only the survivors and their success stories of "I've had no problem at all" that we hear about.
we also have all the guys with road rash telling us to buy jackets and pants. don't buy pants, buy for the injuries you don't see ;)
@@JazzRadioFfm What you speak of is survivor bias. It's the things that kill people you won't hear first-hand accounts of.
@@quillmaurer6563 there are plenty of people who would've died had they not been wearing protective gear but lived because they wore it. Yammie noob has a great photo of his helmet with and inch shaved off because of a crash.
The stories from the living are equally important as considering what happened to the dead.
@@RainytheNB Yeah, exactly. There are people who will tell you a helmet saved their life. You won't hear first-hand stories of surviving such things without one. Few people can tell you first hand that they regretted not wearing one.
Fair take.
Just like you cant go on a fourm for new vehicles and that only.
Everyone bitches when theres an issue. Few praise when its good
Watching this on the day I just sold my GSX-R750 and am buying an R1 in less than an hour. Oops lol
R MacNicol have fun, ride safe bro
Famous West i legit wanted to say that
You still alive bro?
RIP bro gone too soon 🕊🕊🕊❤️❤️❤️
Rip
"Some geeky programmer is the real hero of that story."
* laughs in K5 GSX-R1000
Thanks, I like my Katana, it has same engine :) This is superb bike!
@@TheSkace It's a great engine! I've been looking hard at the new Katana and the new CB1000R. I miss my K5 but I don't want to go stupid fast anymore so I'm thinking the Katana will be my next bike in a few years. Just so much grunt everywhere while everyone is saying the CB1000R needs to rev more.
@@Darth_Firebolt Yeah, its little bit slower but what it doesnt have in speed, it has in torque. Its nice, stable and superb handling
'06 CBR1000RR here, what are rider aids?
My 1st street bike was a Kawasaki ZL1000. Loved that bike. I was 19. The power and acceleration was incredible to me. Never rode anything like it up to then. Still one of my favorite bikes I’ve ever owned.
Or... You live in Germany. Here you can ride on the Autobahn till you reach the end of your engine's power output.
Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪. Honda VFR 1200 F
Yeah, provides interesting videos of how even turtles get torn into pieces... because "I'm not one of these irresponsible riders" or "Yeah, I drive fast, but I can handle it" everyone their own,
but riding a litre is pretty much just russian roulette
I miss Germany
Hello friend, I plan to hit the autobahn before my times up. Yamaha xj653
One of the many reasons I'm ditching the US and moving to Germany in a few years. Beautiful women, great alcohol, rich culture and architecture, less woke culture and AUTOBAHN.
Also: legalized prostitution.
@@callumaltair9806 why is it called woke culture these idiots are also at the wheel
Ryan, you're a great storryteller. Nice twist at the end.
Discovered your videos several months ago. Have been enjoying the quality and all the subtle jokes.
That said, leave it to us what we buy. I’m very appreciative we can purchase all this technology and power.
Amazing work as usual.... these videos have a way of making my day
As usual a great video, please keep making them. I've had fast sport bikes in the past, and recently large adventure bikes. But age creeps up and I've now got a Versys 650, it's a lovely bike and in the real world does everything I need, but as I still admire the engineering and style of a litre sports bike. Its good to live in a world where we have a choice.
"Street lethal" 😁 👍
I own 600cc bike and never for a second i thought "well this shuld be a little faster"
I started on an R6 and eventually got the R1. It wasn't more speed I was after (although it is a fun perk) but more torque. With taller gearing I have to shift less and when I need to speed up to get out of a blindspot or anything - the power is there instantly, no downshifting.
I'd take the 600cc for the track because you can really wring them out and throw them around but for cruising the streets the 1000cc hands down everytime
Yeah. I went from owning 600cc bikes to 250cc enduro haha. Even that little bike would get you in danger if you push it. I ll probably buy another 600cc bike someday but right now enduro works well for me.
Then you haven't been riding it long enough, or working to progress your skillset. Above 70 mph the aerodynamics are such that you're usually waiting on a 600cc bike to catch up with your intent. North of 100 they're dogs.
@@otm646 I don't plan to ride crf250l faster than 90kmh. Going fast isnt my goal. I bought it for offroad, city and country roads riding. And it's amazing bike in that class.
Was all of this segment not recorded on a V-Strom 1000?! 😂
I’d been riding my CBR600 for 8 years when I took a 1000 for a test ride. Scared the shit out of me😂😂😂 way to much power.
The engine size doesn't really matter. You could say the same for many high performance cars. Either way, as long as you respect the machine, learn your machine, and don't ride past your comfort zone/experience level, there's no issue.
In reality, peoples driving liter bikes are in my experience slower than peoples with 600 or even 650. They don't lean that much in corners, and then use the power of their motorcycles to keep up.
So I guess they aren't really slower, but they are not as good.
You can also ride, but not care at all about being fast. But in this case, why choose a liter bike ?
In reality? ... That is such a stupid comment. I have known people on 1000s or 600s that ride them like newbs, or wring the crap out of them.
If you want to generalize: If you see a fat guy on a 1000, you can be sure he goes fast in a straight line. No crazy cornering.
This video is kind of stupid. You know who shouldn't ride liter bikes? Me neither...I can't say someone should or shouldn't.
What I can say, is anyone who has owned one knows how stupid they are. Uncomfortable over any distance, especially in the city. You never get to use them to their potential because, public roads aren't tracks. It is legitimately impossible.
Patrick R "in my experience" that's what I see when I'm on the road. Not a universal truth.
Personally, I think liter bikes are way too much bike for most of the people who buy them. I ride a Ducati Multistrada and at 150hp it can do anything I need it to do, it is honking fast and fun in the twisties and it is comfortable... unlike a liter bike.
C4H10N4O2 very nice assumption there bud, I have an r1 and that does not apply to me so maybe don't generalize
So good. Sound and shots of the gear changes , scrapes on your helmet . Also good message. Problem is you will always get the people who will need too show off or are you the sort of person who just enjoys the ride for the ride but everything I have said you just said in a short video. Thank you. I enjoy your stuff.
I bought my first bike last may, to start commuting to the Brussels area on a bike. Never befor ridden a bike, over a million miles in cars, didn't even had to take a test because of my age. Since may i put over 20k kms on my s1000xr and i am convinced for me and my type of riding it is the perfect choice.
Love your blog
Peter
Ride them while your still able to. Soon everyone will be sitting in driverless electric rideshare cars.
If that happens, then there'd be no point in banning motorcycles. The cars themselves would be able to much more safely interact with motorcycles. At that point, the only fatalities on motorcycles would be caused by rider error. And animals, but that's really rider error as well.
OTOH, I've seen designs for self-balancing motorcycles, so it really depends on what the rider enjoys. If it's just being there out in the open and enjoying the environment, motorcycles might get even better.
But, personally, I love the sensations and process of controlling the bike. I doubt I'd be happy with a self-drive motorcycle any more than an automatic.
I disagree. People will always want to own something.
Do you want to own....or rent a Rolex watch?
Do you want to own....or rent a luxurious powerful car?
Do you want to own....or rent a highly accurate large caliber rifle?
Do you want to own....or rent a giant curved panel LED HD TV?
Do you want to own....or rent a high end gaming system?
Do you want to own....or rent a laptop computer?
Do you want to own....or rent an aircraft?
Do you want to own....or rent a motorcycle or car? I understand the younger generation is less interested in driving cars these days than any generation before it, but I believe most people want to own something rather than renting it from a rich, money grubbing corporation who can put any kind of restriction on traveling freedom they want to.
Possibly so. The future of transportation does not look promising or good. Freedoms are declining in all aspects of life.
dey tuk muh berk!
True maybe. But the electric bikes are going to be just as fast if not faster on take off.
The hayabusa on bike sales looking at me like 🥺
Thanks for the pass! I have no reason to keep my MT 10.. it’s just so F9ing Fun! Cheers to your resounding and well earned success
Fun fact: literally no one dives with a dive watch. We need the wrist real estate for things like dive computers, compass and slate (under water notebook).
So true
I can't hear the first 95% part of this video over the supersport inline 4 engine of my bike :*
I ride a RSV4 RR since 2017, 80% on street, 20% on track. It’s been the best motorcycling experience of my life.
No, it was not my first bike (it was my 8th).
Yes, it’s the electronics that are making it possible to enjoy it so much on the street.
Started on a cbr1000ra 3weeks ago , so far so good I'll keep you guys updated 🤘🏻
Kindly update...
Please update
@@g496r500t I'm not riding since it's freezing here in germany and ,btw dropped it twice but it wasn't that bad of a fall and no injuri for me also, well I'll start riding as soon as it gets a little bit warmer again
My first ever motorcycle was a Ducati 900 SS/SP , the one thing I really learned with it was that I loved Torque. Since then I’ve had 13 bikes in all different configurations , 3 cylinders, 4 cylinders, thumpers , etc.. I was just in Austria for a month and while I was there I bought a 2001 Transalp 650 and it was the most fun I’ve had on a bike in so long , also the culture in motorcycling in Europe is so much more rich than North America that any bike is a fun bike and anyone on a bike is respected as a pier. It really changed my opinion on what a motorcycle should be and that yeah it’s more fun to ride that slow bike fast . Can’t wait to be reunited with the Transalp in the summer !
I love how it seems that no one actually watched the video before raging.
Of course they didn’t
Back when I started riding and worked my way up the CCs .. I was dreaming of the day I'll own a sport litre bike .. till I got my 900 naked honda hornet .. I have it for almost 5 years now, and I don't really need a more powerful bike .. this one still scares me sometimes !! .. Only about twice a year that I get to open it full throttle to top speed .. only then when I wish I had more speed .. But these two moments I feel not enough to buy a litre bike .. acceleration is better only like half a second to 100km/h .. not worth it .. top speed is worth it of course but I don't get there a lot as I mentioned .. besides I have a connection with this beast already and I don't want to give it up .. I might one day think of a litre naked bike, but not race .. It's very uncomfortable .. !!
Every time when I'm riding and remember that one day we'll have to give up internal combustion engines to electric motors, I rev it up to hear it's beautiful sound, and fly as fast as I can like I'm running from this reality ..
Maybe I am exemption to the rule.
At 45 years old, 6’6” and 280lbs I am finally getting my license.
My instructor steers me towards bmw gs1150, Honda pan European etc
Just because normal bikes are way too small and apparently I have a good mechanical “feel” to handle big bikes.
We will see how it works out
Some height u have there. How's it going so far? 48 and just started riding myself. Safely, tho. Ninja 300.
I bought a '16 R1 for the track. Spent multiple weekends at COTA, and will never forget the awesome experience.
Greetings FortNine , I`m 57 and have recently gotten back into riding . Found a 1980 Yamaha XS 1100 that needed refreshing , ( the seller practically gave it to me) Rebuilt the master cylinders,calipers, recovered the seat, rebuilt the carbs, new fuel line, new tires, and treated and sealed the gas tank, oil and filter change etc. I`ve been riding her daily, and it is a flat out blast! These motorcycles were the Japanese muscle of their day, they are freaky fast for a nearly 600 pound machine, and if you stay within yourself, and do`nt do stupid shit, you will arrive alive. Having said that, It`s not the most practical bike for a 150 pound man, but these are the bikes of my youth, and the thrill is just amazing, and my muscle memory is still sharp, so why not? Great vid as usual.
For me the 750 is the perfect balance of "that doesn't have enough TQ" and "WOW, i'm going to die."
Mt07 team I guess haha
@@gorkzop gsx-s750
Great insight. Great conclusion.
I have an 883 and a 1340, love them both for what they do :)
This review is true on a lot of levels. I have a R1 right now which is way more bike than I need for daily use. I’ve owned all sorts of bikes in the past from Harleys to DRZs and liter bikes are still some of the most fun to ride in my opinion from their pure performance and engineering marvels that they are. I probably won’t keep it forever and will eventually switch back to a bike suited better for daily use but every time I open the garage and see that R1 I get excited to ride it. It’s not logical to own a bike like this and probably shouldn’t be legal but dang there is something about it that is undeniably enjoyable.
Beautiful analogy with the divers watch. Thank you Ryan!
And I don't like getting my ears wet either. So I don't wear a watch, but ask a friendly policeman when I want to know what time it is ;-)
Great advice here!! I started on a little 8-HP minibike. Moved up to a YZ-80 dirt bike. Now, 42 years later, I ride a beautiful new Goldwing!! Incremental is best when it comes to riding! Learn to RIDE before having to spend all your time fighting a bike that is too big, and then never progressing beyond the "fighting" stage for lack of experience, road skills, and road strategy.
Best motorcycle channel.
Could you do some videos on Harley touring bikes. How to ride….how to handle..etc
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I think you generalized litre bikes with super sports like the R1 and S1000rr and forgot bikes like the Z1000 (my personal ride), FZ10 and other naked litre bikes which are really quite different when compared to a super sport. .
I will agree that there is no reason to have one other than you want a 1000. There has never been a time where I have been able to really get on the throttle. I mean, just topping out 1st gear I'm already at 70mph and damn quick too. I would wager too quick in all honesty and my bike is one of the tamest litre bikes you can get, making 136hp and 82ftlbs of torque. The only time I really love having the power is on the highway I'm able to have a ton of control over my speed. If I get on the throttle even in 6th gear cruising, I can immediately begin accelerating at a fairly rapid rate which is great for passing and it cruises fantastically, with the only downside being the seat is a bit hard for long rides and the wind noise can give me a headache after a few hours.
I will say that I would never own something like a S1000rr or R1, which is what I felt you were more referring too unless for a race bike only. Those really aren't meant for any normal street riding at all and exhibit all the characteristics you pointed out. Really the only thing my Z1000 and those bikes share is the power, after that their really different bikes.
Regardless I hope I don't come off like I'm being really defensive or anything, I just think certain litre bikes like super nakeds are definitely a more practical street bike, even if their still way to powerful to ever be used to their potential (by a responsible rider anyway). Just my thoughts though, good video man.
Very well said.
His is a trash opinion for clicks. He kind of says it's all relative at the end anyway..
I ride an S2R monster that is 1000cc and it only manages a 0-60 in 3.5. Hardly a superbike.
Is it fast and powerful? Yes, but not uncontrollably so.
What it is is a great controllable bike with tons of power in reserve.
Generalizations, are always nonsensical, and this guy really bothers me.
I totally agree, I have the gsx s1000 which is in the same category. I love the sh*t out of that bike. I was recently looking to get the new Kawasaki h2 tourer but then snapped back to reality and realised it was a bit of a wet dream. Investing 15k in a bike with 200bhp to only toddle around on at the weekend... Just can't justify it.
I think you are calling his take on the subject correctly, and this otherwise very good youtuber overly generalized the topic. I did the wrong thing, got an FZ10 as my first bike (I'm 34), and it was the only bike I had ridden apart from the 20 hp MSF bike.. I do believe that it is taking me longer to get acclimated to the basics of riding, but that said, I got 4000 miles on it last season, and around mile 2000 I started to really understand how to ride correctly. I still have a long way to go, but this bike is a long way from being an R1. And a big part of it is maturity. I was following a VW Golf R the other, a rather quick car, and there was a young driver in it. He turned left from the light, goosed it, and promptly stuffed the car into a snow drift. He had the AWD traction to leave the light hard, but as soon as he went to turn it behaved like any other car. It's an example of the same debate being worthwhile with cars. Don't let someone who doesn't get how a fast car works drive a fast car.
this comment makes total sense. but i do understand what fortnine is talking about, and have to agree with him as well. an R1 or gsxr1000 really is too much to ride on the street. i mean, who needs 200hp when riding on the street? i'd take a z1000 any day over an R1, just because its more fun to ride with less HP but still have a serious amount of torque to pull you through nearly every situation you face on the street.
3.5 for 0-60 is pretty fuckin fast.
In the UK the licensing rules mean you have to start on either a 50cc or 125cc. Then at 19 you can get your licence to ride up to 400cc and you can't get your full licence to ride a litre bike until you are 24.
Sad, I wouldn't even be able to ride my Yamaha XT 225 at age 18.
Truthfully, we in North America should have this rule too.
I've met a few folks that brag about starting on a busa, which is absolutely suicide.the trick to getting a brand new cheaper Harley, is to buy one off the guy who dropped it the first time he got on it, usually right at the dealer.
The 125 is gutless, but they're insanely fun (grom!) and since getting smaller bikes, my skills have developed much faster than if I had stuck with the 750 inline 4 I started on. (1982 Yamaha maxim)
Begin on a small bike folks. It developed skills much quicker and safer.
until 21
i would hate that rule here but i would vote for it still. it would save lives definitely.
That's so pathetic. I bet they tell you how much water your toilet tank has to have too.
Awesome video & great points!!
Well yeah, but waaaay back before Australia's Northern Territory had speed limits I had a Yammie FZ1 (yes, useful mid-range torque) but the dead-straight flat roads which also doubled as airstrips were most excellent fun on a litre bike. Now I'm on a 650 and loving it.
I love motorcycles. I have ever since I was six. That's 39 years. I've had everything from a CBR900RR/929, GSX-R's, and a Ducati 999. I grew up riding in the dirt until I was 16, and then never looked back. Slowly progressing in skill and knowledge from a Honda CX650E to 600 Hurricaine, ZX-7 ('89/'91), and then on up to the "litre bikes". I'm currently in the market for my next litre bike for next summer (saving my pennies), and I'm torn between the R1M, RSV4, and S1000RR (also waiting to see what Honda has on offer for 2017). I will never use any of these bikes to their full potential, and I have never reached the full potential of the bikes I've owned. But that's ok. The same can be said about the Gen 5 Viper parked in my garage that does 0-60 in 3 seconds, and tops out at 330 km/hr. As you know Ryan, there is more to ownership than taking these vehicles to their limits, because that's gonna kill you. It's the appreciation, as you said, of the masterful craftsmanship and engineering that go into them. So, yes, I should own a litre bike................because that's what makes me feel alive, and what the hell else am I sitting at this desk in this office for anyway? ;)
Well said, Lee :) That R1M looks absolutely *stunning*. ~RyanF9
Thanx Ryan. You "da man" when it comes to these online reviews. Seriously. I hope this is your career choice, because you are clearly a natural. Cheers.
I'd go with R1M if the riding position is not unbearable for you. it was for me. then BMW just because it's comfortable, powerful, just great all around. Aprilia is the choice reserved for that it's too cool not to have it feeling and if nothing else would satisfy you. they're less reliable, more expensive to maintain and impossible to get OEM parts for but they sound cool and it's one of my favorite tank shapes for locking the knee to lean off.
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I'd go with R1M if the riding position is not unbearable for you. it was for me. then BMW just because it's comfortable, powerful, just great all around. Aprilia is the choice reserved for that it's too cool not to have it feeling and if nothing else would satisfy you. they're less reliable, more expensive to maintain and impossible to get OEM parts for but they sound cool and it's one of my favorite tank shapes for locking the knee to lean off.
s1000rr owner
PIcked up the RSV4 RF in the Superpole graphics on Friday, August 5th, 2016. It is unreal!!!!
Loved my D-675 but when riding two up in the hills of PA, my 1100 shined!
My first bike was a Kawasaki EX500. I then went on to buy a Ninja 1000R. There was a few months I had both sitting in the garage waiting to be ridden. While I loved the feel of the 1000R my favorite for city runs was the EX500. My next liter bike was a Suzuki 1100 Katana. It was extremely awkward in the city but once you were on the open road, it was sublime. Nothing compares to the rush you get from riding on the open road.
You really have great videos. What editor do you use
I thought a litre bike just meant 1000cc. You seem to talk about supersports only.
Well yeah, a 1200 bonneville is going to make 80bhp, a supers ports or street fighter is going to make 180-220bhp
We don’t have an official motorcycle dictionary, but generally people mean a 1000cc sport bike when they say ‘litre bike’ in my experience.
Totally agree, what about naked bikes?
@@GL0BETREKKER Same catagory just more wind chill 😅
@@ThiefOfNavarre lol :). I dont agree. Naked's have a better riding position (more up-right) making them easier to ride. Also the engines are tuned to have a little more toque in lower rev range and are less peaky.
Please don't show this to any government they'll want to ban bikes
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Always good...cheers man
I work on this railroad stretch and almost did not recognized Rivière-a-pierre it is such a beautiful place!
very well put ,I have owed most cc sizes from 50 cc ...to 750 my 11th bike which I now ride is a 650 suzuki vstrom at 72 years young it's great certainly not boring, 3 things I like the best. ...wheel base......suspension travel ,over 6 inches, ....rpm band 0 11000 ,....quiet comfortable. ..gee that's 5 ,....and 60 mpg...cheers
Try using a litre bike (with decent torque) for some longer trips, especially with a pillion, then ratchet yourself down to a 600 or 750 and see if you don't miss the roll-on, and overall ease with which you can move you, your passenger, and some luggage.
also not a lot happens on a 600cc till you get to 14,000rpm
I agree. The torque is just about everything when you go on a longer trip like that.
You damn right. I had an FZ1 for awhile (not super sport) but still damn fast and comfy for trips. Sold it, bought a ZZR600, fuckin WEAK!!...just gutless until like 9k+ So Now I have an 08 R1. Got my low end grunt back. But really.. the FZ1 had more grunt below say 6k rpm than R1... The R1 is like 10% better than FZ1 overall. Except on the comfy seat part.
you hit the nail on the head small displacement bikes have no torque comparable to the full size machine...
Route Rider. I love screwing around with 200cc to 350cc bikes in city ( love restoring old ones). If I go anywhere out of city I ride a liter bike. I have no use for anything in between.
Just had this pop up on my feed. It's quite remarkable how much Ryan & team have upped their professionalism. This wasn't a bad video, far from it, but it so much more amateur than their current output.
A great way to communicate what could save several lives!
Litre bikes are not about speed all the time. To me I only buy bikes with big engines as they are more flexible with power they produce more torque so midrange is great especially a twin.
i get you. i really appreciate the low end torque on my thunderace.
Exactly the thunderace has so much midrange it's a fantastic bike and so underrated .
I like being in almost any ideal gear and just cruising through the mountains without upsetting the bike to grab a gear.
I just bought my first bike, it's a CBR 125. Every rider I talk to says I'm gonna get bored of it really fast which I probably will but I'm still determined to learn on a small controllable bike that'll get me to work and back.
i did my first lesson for my A on that ...well i didnt fit on that bike with the instructor at the back :D...next time it was vstrom 650 , totally different beast :D
I used to own a Honda 750-4 Nighthawk S. Great bike... But I hardly drove it after I bought a Honda VTR 250 twin. Drove it from Montreal to New Orleans and back, mostly on back roads. My buddy on his GSXR 1100 struggled to stay anywhere near me.
I went straight from a 125 to a 1000, and I love it. No fancy electronics other than ABS front and rear. I would like a 650 as a second bike, but I'd never get rid of the thou.
I did notice a big change when I went from my Kawasaki VN750 to a Honda VTX1300 when riding with a pillion on a longer trip, the Kawa was struggling at times whereas the Honda was chugging along with no effort.
Great video, Ryan! I do get confused when we call "liter bikes" supersport 1000cc. Especially when you consider how the manufacturers are blurring the lines in the classes with bikes like Ninja 1000, GSX S1000F and other sport touring bikes. There are just so many bikes in the 1000cc realm or larger from cruisers, tourers etc. But yeah, I do love to see them on the street and I loved your comment about the watch!
Thanks! You're right - the term "liter bike" is getting more and more unusable. Case in point - I did this video on a 1000cc V-Strom and while it's no beginner bike, it ain't exactly fast. ~RyanF9
@@FortNine you need to do a sport touring video. That class is making a real comeback in recent years with bikes from suzuki, kawa, honda and bmw.
I just did a cross country trip on the Suzuki vstrom dl1000. Offroading was a bit tough due to the sheer weight. But the extra weight was great for passing trucks on the highway. But this video definitely convinced me that a 600 cc sportbike is the way to go (over it's 1000cc counterpart). It will just mean that I will have to work harder at perfecting my skill! Thanks for your great work!
😢Hes talking about one liter Superbikes. Your DL1000 is slower than every 600cc inline4 made after 1990..
Great video. BTW what helmet and jacket are you wearing here?
I’m still getting one!
Hi man,
Thanks for the videos, i specificly like your humour.
Sorry to react to a 4y old vid, but I just got in to riding motorcycles, as I just bought my first bike, with the intention of using it for commuting about 200 km/day (takes me 3+ hours a day), so about 2h of trafic jams.
In Belgium, lane splitting is 'mandatory' during trafic jams and motorcycles are 100% tax deductible for my small company.
As I am over 50y old, 6.4' and 250 lbs, I needed something substantial with an upricht riding position, so I selected the BMW S1000xr.
I'll keep you posted (if I live)
Keep up the good work
I've had 600s and 1000s I prefer the 600 everyday. Easier handling I and I feel safer on the 600
A 600 has so much "speed" its unreal. I'm pretty efficient at riding and a 1000 is almost uneeded.
greg parry for some folks (like me) it’s not about feeling safe, it’s about feeling hard/stupid. While I totally agree with your 600 vs 1000 comparison, I ride a monstrously oversized horse in a little horse sport. It makes me happy.
Gary Charnock they both handle similarly, the 600 is just slightly lighter but smaller. I’m 6’1 I have a ninja 650 and it’s small for me. I tried the 636 and it’s very uncomfortable like most 600s are. Usually 1000 are bigger and more ergonomically fit. Plus they have power modes so that’s a bonus plus other features like quick shifter etc. it’s about riding and being comfortable.
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I had 2 GSXR 600 and an R6 jumped to a S 1000 RR, and....hmm kind of true I love the S 1000 RR but its way way to much, the 600 are already more than enough fast for the street, 1000cc 200 hp mashines do not belong to the street and on a track unless youre skilled or its a F1 track 600 are almost as fast or even faster in small tracks...so I kind of agree
The old Honda Blackbird was a nice compromise. I enjoyed riding that.
Great power band and comfortable riding position.
Below 6000 rpm it was very well mannered.
Above that hold on. Beautiful design and engineering.
Such a sense of knowing! I have a low mileage blackbird and a CBR650 - the riding experience on the blackbird is a world apart. Good to have the 650 for normal riding, and to blackbird for special trips
@@stevenwreyford4570 What do you mean? Wouldn't you want to ride the blackbird everywhere if it really is superior compared to the CBR?
I started on a klr 650 and recently got a bandit 1200 and honestly I love it but I’m still going back to my klr because that was just so easy to learn/ride compared
Heh I've got the 1250 Bandit and a 2008 KLR. I kinda stopped riding the bandit, because my country laws around "speeding" and proclivity for putting insane speed limits literally everywhere mean even the earth splitting 30-ish horses the KLR puts down is enough to have your license taken away...and that damn thing doesn't really want to go more than 90 kph on asphalt (on the 80% dirt tires I've got on it)
Comfort can be subjective Ryan, I feel like I'm floating on a cloud when I'm hugging my GSX-R.
Touché. ~RyanF9
Go the RSV4...sound is amazing and they look great.
currently riding a cb500 (pc32) as my first bike. and i could not be more satisfied with it!
My dad got me started on his bmw r1200r. Then at riding school rode an mt07, a lot more enjoyable and managable😅 so i agree, but it is possible to start on a litre bike and do just fine. I guess it depends on your level of respect for such power
with my Suzuki gn125 i'm on the safe side of the spectrum. yesterday i climbed mountain in the alps with top speeds of 60 kmh. dang those 200 km took a long time.
Had a GN125H, to be fair, 50mph on that bike felt like 80.
I have a liter bike for my first bike. Absolutely crazy experience and I think the only reason I've survived is because it's so scary I didn't dare to test its limits until I was ready.
a quote that comes to mind-I think from Mr. Regular, is "The only safety feature is the fear of death."
The UK has a graduated licencing scheme - you can start out with the full blown unlimited motorcycle licence... if you're 24. You can ride a litre bike at 21 if you've held an A2 license (~400cc and 47 bhp) for two years, which you can get at 19 if you've held an A1 licence for two years (125cc, available from 17). And you can ride a 50cc from 16. I could ride a 50cc with my car license if I pass CBT, which is basic handling. And I've had a bike up to 55 mph twice on public roads... no engine except me, and Sir Isaac Newton! No licence required for that.
@yhootoob Exactly !! Amen to that
I bought both Suzuki Intruder 800cc and Honda CBR1000F as my first bikes, haven't yet checked top speed on Honda, but have been riding it quite fast :p But I turned 38years, when bought them and got my license, so it's different as if I would got them at 18-25y. With age comes some carefulness even if you still like the speed as much as before
new bike is a 1200cc speed twin here in uk . ive been riding a 125 for about 7 years and jumped straight on the 1200 after passing my test last month. i use it everyday i love it .. i feel in control probably alot more than the 125 i actually prefer the road setting too rather than the high tc rain mode as suggested by the retailers lol ! i get u though i see the power i quite like how quick it can get me up to speed. ive clocked up 750 miles already lol.
love it!
You can possibly ride a 600 fast, but you will never ride a 1000 fast.
First of all, i love your channel and you deserve a lot more views and subs.
Secondly, to the point of the video: i started off in Australia on a 250cc Hyosung, not because i had to go all the Ls and Ps but because that was all i could afford 3 years ago. Then, once that was mastered i moved to a Ninja 650 which was where i learnt how to hone my skills and how to deal with little accidents and stuff. Now i am on a Ninja 1000 and a proper sportsbike has never been in my sights however the torque and the power available on a 1000 is just amazing. Yes, maybe we don't need 1000cc bikes but consider that riding a motorcycle is more dangerous than driving already. We are a bit like smokers, we know the risks but we are happy to accept the consequences of such choice, am i right? People that don't ride don't understand why we spend sometime commuting or roaming on something fast and dangerous, most of the time uncomfortable and too hot or cold. It's just the way it is and i guess having a 1000cc, or a MX or any bike that is not just the minimum requirement is part of the fun of this passion we all share. I do agree with you, though. Starting on a 1000cc is silly as much as it is starting on any bike that is too powerful or too particular so that it won't give you an understanding of how to ride any motorcycle but just that motorcycle. Canada is beautiful, BTW.
Can you make a video on why we should all have turbo-busas. Thanks
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The ~900cc's of the late nineties and early 2000s were a nice sweet spot. 120-150HP ZX-9R, CBR900/929/954, even the GSXR 750. The 200HP monsters of today are just ridiculous.
I love this guy. His videos are informative, entertaining, and insightful…plus he 😂😂 me up!! Best thing out of Canada yet!! I’ve been riding for 45 years now: 175cc dual sport, 450cc twin, 550cc, a few 750cc, and 1100cc (trans-4) bikes. My current ride is 1301cc and WHITE… But as Ryan puts it Team ORANGE all the way. The Super Adventure has been wonderful to ride and the LC8 is so addictive I haven’t been able to replace it yet. Great work Ryan!!
I use a standard liter bike (z1000) to commute in stop and go traffic, despite the displacement, they are just so much fun when throttle is twisted. No speeding, just pure acceleration fun to offset the boringness of daily commute. I'm no beginner, nor an expert, just someone who loves to ride on a liter bike.
Check out a Zero SR; you won't be disappointed!
Is a standard really a liter bike though?
2-up riding. Myself + passenger = 300+lbs (before gear). The power and low end torque are a must... the stiffer suspension helps as well. Also... you don't learn to wrestle bears by wrestling dogs!
I rode a gsxr1100 as my second bike. I didn't have my first long.
But with gobs of torque. It made riding nice. The low clip ons took getting used to. But the next was a rc51 I kept it for years, and had more miles then most all buyers were looking for
I don't even own a bike. Just like his videos. I'm really thinking about getting one though. What do you guys think about a used Honda rebel for a first bike?