Ryan F9 and his camerman, they do it all. Ryan writes all the scripts. And as you can tell, he is a legit genius. I am certain they made this video for me, since I just started working on my CB360 a couple weeks ago, and it's been my new obsession. Coincidence??? Yay!
I'm in no rush, I'll take the CB360 (actually the earlier CB350 is more to my liking). As always, a great video , Ryan! It'll get you there but with a little more soul and comfort. That's why I bought my W800 Street over modern styled bikes. Love it.
I worked in the motorcycle industry for 27 years both retail and manufacturing dealing with Japanese, European, and American brands. Your analysis of the economy, engineering, physics, design, and marketing of the motorcycle industry superior to anything out there. You are the best.
My first bike was a twin Honda CB175 when I was 18, I went up to a Goldwing 1100, but for the past 15 years I'm driving a Honda CM400 1980 twin and fully appreciate the rugged and simple design that is still working fine after 41 years. At 60, I don’t see myself on another bike. Everything I learn on that channel is extremely relevant and informative. Thanks.
I remember trying someone's CB360 twin back in the late 70s. It was raining. The gravel road was a bit muddy. I took it out in a muddy paddock and did some feet-up donuts. It handled well. I liked it. I had a '74 XL350 then upgraded to a 1980 XR250 that had less torque but more of everything else except weight (and I think mine had the factory performance kit fitted by the original owner). Now I have a CRF250L Rally which fills much the same niche (even more so in non-Rally form) with similar power, slightly more weight (which gets you electric start, water cooling, disk brakes with ABS, much bigger tank) and also half the fuel consumption and 8x the maintenance interval. The XL350 was almost exactly $1000 I believe, the CRF250/300L now are $5500 (ABS, non-Rally). Internet says the CPI ration 2021:1974 is 4.5 so, yeah, we're paying slightly more now. (Note: the mid 70s XL250 was seriously underpowered, and I didn't have one ... so I'm using the 350 as the comparison)
He and his team are impecible. I don't even have a bike and I just want to watch nonstop. And the knowledge provided is second to none. I learned so much with this video.
Reason why the Royal Enfield is doing so well is exactly that it's an actually old tech motorbike at a low upfront and maintenance cost. Just what Ryan ordered 😁
Royal Enfield's Classic 350 has an MSRP of $4600, the CB300R in this video is $5,050, that 10% discount is even less when you consider that OTD costs are going to be something like 7k for both bikes after fees and the stealerships gets their pound of flesh. New bikes, even beginner ones, are not affordable at all for most people.
@@tstartrekdude I wonder why it's like this in canada , in india cb300r is 5100$ whereas classic 350 is 3700$ .... it's pretty significant price difference(I mentioned this price including all tax , insurance ,etc )
@@ankitsharma203Because they can, I assume. They know someone in Canada that considers buying a Royal Enfield is doing so because they like the look of it, not because it's cheaper than a Honda. I've looked at them in Sweden too, but they're just way too expensive. I'd rather get a Ninja300 or similar, it's significantly cheaper up front. That said I am still riding a GSX400 from 1983, so I absolutely agree with the video and an Enfield would be a slight downgrade, at least in power.
let me offer a perspective from a "senior citizen." i graduated from high school in 1972 and was a car, truck, and motorcycle nut from the first time i could reach the pedals on "anything." my first "bike" was a Harley-Davidson "M-50", then I graduated to a Yamaha "Twin 100", then came a "brand new" cherry red 1970 Honda 350 that I slept with in my bedroom. The Honda was replaced by a new 71 Kawasaki Mach-III 500 "death machine." by my Senior year, i had gone through all these bikes as well as a few Triumph "choppers", a 71 CB750, and a 68 900 Sportster that i pushed more than i rode. so i have a VERY close relationship with "old bikes" that "old people" still like. i also went through scores of cars and trucks over the last 50 years. today, i have a car collection of old mopars - seven 68-69 Barracudas. with all this background noted, let me offer this simple observation: my collection of Barracudas are 54 years old. do you think anyone will be collecting a 2022 Prius 54 years from now? i doubt it. sure, new motorcycles have incredible technology and OF COURSE, they are "better" in many ways. however, when you park that old CB360 beside that new CB300R - the OLD bike just looks SO much classier and "cool." call it the retro-design or the color or the mechanical way so many things worked - the "presence" of that old Honda is just so more memorable. frankly, if i was offered both those bikes for FREE - it would take me about 1 second to say: "thank you, I'll take the old CB360."
you can certainly tell by looking at honda's remakes of their classics: the 2018 super cub, the new monkey, the 2022 DAX, the H'ness CB350, and even something like the resurrected BSA gold star.. the 'sheen' of chrome and quality metal fleck paint on steel tanks and side covers and so on; the new versions all look soulless and faded. all the (heavy) quality parts have been replaced with plastic, which may be lighter and last longer if untouched, but it scuffs easy, fades, cracks, and it's as cheap to look at as it is to produce. same as most cars now, the cheap plastic bodies they can make in any shape let us make the most mathematically aerodynamic and strong-but-lightweight body shape.. but everyone is following the same equation so every bike looks the damn same. i haven't seen a good looking bike since the 80s, that wasn't some sort of throwback design.
I owned a 360t just loved it, when to Portugal with my fiance and camping gear, we had a wonderful time, we married, and years later divorced but I still love the 360
I bought a 350 Honda for $795.00 in 1968 after I got back from Vietnam. Compared to what was available, it was way beyond what they offered. It would go slightly over 100mph and had a 10, 500 redline and seemed fast to me until the 750 Honda came along. Excellent job doing the comparison between the old and the new versions.
My story is almost the same . First bike a 350, the an 1980 750 f. Great bikes. I also had a 360, it was a pig. Fell over a lot. The 360 was to tall, bad design. Ride safe.
Nothing Noone if American politicians were a braking system, they’d just be the piston dragging on rusted calipers after sitting in a field for a decade.
I've been saying this for a couple of decades now. The bikes haven't fundamentally changed all that much, it's more evolutionary. The manufacturers need to work on price before the kids loose interest and live in the digital realm.
@@mtnmotoadv Pay no attention to the hat behind the curtain. Oh and he's funding a revolution against you also. Interesting times, but are they any different than my grandfather's era....no, same crooks.
I own my grandfathers old 72 TS185. Compared to all the dirtbikes I've ridden, it is by far the most agile out of the dirtbike world. Not sure how really, but it feels weightless almost. All the new bikes are so bulky and tall, I feel like a turtle on them, but then I get back on the 185, and it feels like I'm part of the bike
@@theoldleafybeard No he's kind of right. He has done business with Brett Tkacs, who is essentially a professional scam artist. Brett sucessfully advocated for stricter motorcycle licensing laws. The new law? That you must take one of Brett's classes to get your motorcycle license! They're $900 in total.
If you like bikes or not, this is just really high quality content. Even with no interest in bikes or knowledge of them you can still just be entertained
That 360 T was my first bike, same color and everything! It was a 76 and I paid $650 for it used in 1981. It came with 3500 miles on the clock and was one of the most reliable bikes I ever owned. Thanks for the trip down memory lane! Great video as always, love the channel.
My first bike as well. In red. In 1985 $250 cash made from baling hay and shaping Christmas trees on tree farm in 90 degree weather all summer. Good times. Man that bike was buzzy and slow but it never let me down.
I'm a Canadian from Vancouver living in Australia - love your videos bro! The humour and shots of Vancouver and top-shelf analysis are awesome! Keep up the good work! I like how you tied the purchase price of the bike into the real life economic considerations of consumers - next level =)
First, another gem. Great piece. Thank you. I’m grandpa in this context being 60 years old. I have witnessed the entire progression first hand. Maybe we got a better deal back then, but there’s a big trade off. My first new motorcycle was a ‘74 Suzuki TM 125 (TM was forerunner to RM) and cost $725. US :-) Today, my MT-10 outperforms the most exotic machinery of 15 years ago with rock solid reliability. Its ugly with transformer eyes and plastic everywhere. But to me, the handling, braking, and acceleration are all worth it. I’d never want to go back to the performance of the 90’s, let alone the ‘70’s. Modern bikes are terrific, but too expensive to attract new riders. I think this was your point. Well taken. Keep up the good work, “Sonny” :-).
He is also not saying build all motos to the 70s standard we just need our entry level bikes to be built to the budget. Get somone in the door with a good experience for 2k and eventually they will want to spend ten. But as it sits a 5k beginner bike puts a lot of potential riders off and makes them either not ride or buy used.
My first street bike in 1981 was a top heavy '77 Suzuki gs750. 7 bikes later my v-twin Vulcan with way better lower center of gravity and balance makes the twisties fun. 1500 for the Suzuki. 2500 for the Kawasaki...I'm not broke, still having fun
@@eleminohpee9078 supply and demand. Either they remove the bike, unlikely, dropped the price or realistically lobbying the govt to deal with old bikes...
Wow! I was really surprised how well the old brakes held up. As a rider for decades, I can tell you young-uns that the biggest improvement has been tyres. Modern tyres (even cheap ones) are incredible compared to the stuff we had back in the 80s.
Your enthusiasm for motorcycles, wry sense of humour and creative sense is timeless. Not to mention very useful information. Entertaining, smart, content. Hardly any wonder this video got 1.7 million views. I wonder what it would be like to hear your take on other things...Cheers from an 70 year old sailing cruiser who once rode his fathers Honda 350 and thought it was a great replacement for his BMW 750R that was getting a bit too much for him as he got on...Thank you
Thanks for the memories! I had a friend, that had that same bike, we use to go on rides together. I was 15, with a CL 175, he was an older retired man, and his 360 was new. Years ago I happened to see him, and he said "now he's too old to ride a motorcycle, and he wished we had taken a lot more rides together". My Neighbor, Mr Evans
@@queenbee7074 We live in dire times wenn everything out of the ordinary is immidiately suspect. The man obviously has fond memories, so nothing creepy. I wander what dark secrets many people hide wenn they scream 'creepy!' But you obviously were joking.
Being one of the grandpas that had the original this one has me written all over it. BTW I think a better comparison bould be with the new 500 twin rather than the same capacity single, as they are aimed at the same riding segment. The single is pretty much a commuter, the 350/360 was a open road bike. Hard to believe hey, young whippersnapper! THE big difference between these two in the forks and chassis , if you are riding them. The old bike flexes like wet spagetti on twisties. You can watch the front froks twist under load. If you follow one, you can watch the rear wheel torsionally twist when cornering ( gotta love a thin round tubular swingarm). The wire wheels don't help... The damping and springing on both is equally aweful, despite the intervening decades, but the original had pretty much no aftermarket options to help it. The old drum on the rear would become completely useless as soon as it heated up, so you had ONE piston stopping the whole bike and that had truely aweful pad material. Completely upside down is the fact that the modern single is MUCH smoother than the old twin ( if you want smooth try the twin current CB500f/r/x). The old bike vibrates and tingles to the point where we would put foam grips on to retain any feeling in our hands. Despite the previous comment, I know several people that did the BIG Loop ( around the outside of Australia...sort of) on the 350 and 360 without a mech glitch. Tyres not included. I wouldn't like to do the same on the single. You mentioned that the dropping of the cyl was for financial reasons. If that's the case, why do we still have the ridiculous transverse inline fours, that have to spin their tits off to go anywhere. Made sense when they were aircooled, but a water cooled TI-L4 is just wide for no reason. Don't get me wrong, I loved my CBR250RR ( the real one with 19000rpm 4cyl) ...ON A RACE TRACK, but on the road. Motors that require a million cc's to get any useful torque are just silly. Absolutely love your channel BTW
Looking at the 300r as just a commuter us exactly what he is pointing out. The new generation of riders (us) use whatever bike we have for all types of riding. Very similar to how the older guys did back in the day.
Yup. I had me one of them there CB360s, too, back in the day. I had a lot of fun on that bike until somebody stole the instruments and all the handlebar controls by severing all the cables and wires with side cutters. As usual, speaking as a film maker and a 50 years rider on five continents: superb work in every respect. Always love to see you on my screen.
Agree absolutely on your comments on the handling. As someone who had GT 250's/GT750's and Honda CBX1000's they flexed like crazy. But, it was normal for us and we just rode around the issue. Great fun. Where I absolutely disagree with you is in regard to the inline 4. "Ridiculous" I have no idea how anyone can say that. Many of us prefer inline 4's, we love the high revs and you can ride them perfectly without being on a track. As for your comments regarding large cc to get useful torque, again many many of us like the characteristics of large capacity multi cylinder bikes. As someone who enjoys going up and down the gearbox I do it all the time on my multi that produces 114 lb.ft of torque. I, and many others dislike V twins etc.
Every of these videos are like separate movies about the motorcycles industry. All of them are filled with love and passion. I always enjoy watching them. Thanks a lot!
@tw1st3d35 it's more about head design than it is EFI vs. carb. A well tuned carb will often run more efficiently than EFI. All "new bikes" definitely have an extra 40 years of head design worked in, though.
Also, Ryan's stated power output of both bikes may be incorrect. For the CB300R he said 28hp, Honda UK states 31 @ 8500 rpm. Most websites seem to agree the 1975 CB360T runs at 34hp @ 9000 rpm. Whether 3 or 4 hp difference, the weight is gonna have the biggest impact.
Oh Dildo - like when he comes out with “eeny, meeny, miny, moe, catch a n****r by the toe” or calls a guy in Thailand a “slope” and the time he claimed a UK politician who had lost an eye in an accident was a “one eyed idiot”.
That’s my era of bikes, first was a CB175 in 1976, progressing thru CB450, CB750 etc. Still love that style and feel. One major point not covered here was that I could work on my old bike, understand how it worked, change out brake pads, learn about maintenance etc. Even came with the tools as stated! Today with electronics I would need a host of specialized tools. Give me the old days..lol
@@scinovlog9680 I saw the Kawasaki Versys 300 at a bike show in the Philippines when they first came out. I liked the look of it and converted the price to pounds ,what a bargain,IO was sold. They were announced in Britain a couple of months later with a price tag of nearly 40% more. If you think American prices are expensive take a look across the Atlantic.
Can confirm overseas pricing. In moto mad SE Asia, where incomes are far less than North America? The price is adjusted downward. Some of the features change, but you get the same engine and chassis. The prices are great bargain. Big three make it up on volume? There are other complex global market factors, too.
It's so cool seeing the bike that I first started riding on back in 1986 in current videos driving on the roads! My bike was a garage find (hidden in the back of a garage at a yard sale). I rode it for 5,000 miles in 2 months as I went from beginner license to full license. Thanks for another excellent video!
As a fifty-something former motorcyclist, I chuckled at this. A very nice little production. Beam frames, drilled discs, forks that didn't flex.... they were all a dream or a fantasy back then, so we didn't know what we didn't have because it wasn't out there. A nice
I have a 72 CL350 and it is so much fun to ride. The "modern" 300cc class of bikes has absolutely no appeal to me personally but I thought your analysis was really good and very entertaining. Kudos.
love this. I am a new rider. I started on a grom. After looking at all the new, bikes, i decided they were boring. Being a fan of classic cars, i decided that an old bike would be more fun and better match my personality. I got a 74 cb360 that is the same blue as this one. I rode it once and now, My hubby has started the "surgery". It will be cafe racer style by the spring.
Before I watch, the MOMENT I see Ryan F9 video my heart stops. Yes, it’s motorbikes as a topic. But, he is a real visionary type when it comes to bringing the heart and soul of what the motorcycling actually is in mind, body, and spirit with real science. Super detailed sciences with perfect placed rhetorical and comedic references that is never learned in journalism or film school. Thank you God for making Ryan. And thank you to Ryan for creating his verse and changing the world we all live inside and always being brave.
I've been riding 28 years and like both vintage and modern bikes. I've owned more than 30 motorcycles in that time, and ridden many more as I worked for Honda, and currently have 8 Hondas in my man-cave. I learned to ride on a 1987 Honda NSR250R (MC16) and in comparison the modern learner legal bikes are very vanilla. Some might even say boring. Sure, they're reliable, but there's more to motorcycle ownership IMO than reliability. The NSR I learned on was already 5 years old by the time I got my hands on it, and it showed, but it built character and taught me how to spin spanners ... and do roadside repairs haha. My wife is currently on her learners and riding a 1974 CB350G. This week she serviced it herself, with the help of two different shop manuals, which included tappet clearances and points timing. She needed a little help from me but mostly question and answer type stuff. Getting your hands dirty is not for everyone, but if you have an interest I'd highly recommend buying yourself a 70's Honda and having some fun with it. Vintage motorcycle ownership is very rewarding.
I think motorcycles have some amazing advancements that you've highlighted so so well in this video. What i think was lost over time was, price and quality. When you showed the handpainted and chromed out body parts of the old CB, that really spoke to me. People want to act like our new modern stuff is just superior in every way, but you simply cannot deny that we've cut corners in quality for profit. The old bikes just have this hand made feel to them. They were made with pride. I have ridden old motorcycles and new ones, and new bikes have superior rider experience because of how accessible and easy the engineering has made them.. But they just lack that Ineffable feeling of pride that the old bikes have. I think the same can be said for cars. It's tough because everything is getting more expensive so corners must be cut in order for companies to keep up with the competition who are also finding ways to cut corners in order to make cars and bikes more economical. And even then, because of inflation, you get less for more money now. So even if they were made up to that hand made standard, you would be paying tens of thousands of dollars. Even in the last 30 years it has gotten bad. If you compare a 1990's toyota to a toyota made today, you are literally being scammed. They're garbage now. I find that even the most supposed luxurious brands of cars and motorcycles feel cheaply made now.
Also, some of the "advancements" he listed could be found within a few short years of the 360T he featured. Like how the Honda CB250 T also used the engine as a structural member - in the late '70s. But the real test of quality is as the years go by - I wonder how many of these new bikes will still be on the road regularly in 40+ years.
@Rahul Soren Many motorcycles made today can get to >70k miles with good servicing, quite a few even >100-200k or beyond. Most older bikes have a hard time getting that far unless they're extremely overbuilt and rebuild-friendly like Evo-era Harleys or XS650s, because of tolerances and wear and metallurgy and so on.
@@aussiebloke609 For me the biggest advancement is Antilock brakes and realiability of the newer disc braking systems. ABS just makes a bike way safer and more user friendly. But yes, the engine being structural to the frame is pretty huge too.
@@jvogler_art4708 I won't argue about ABS in theory (I've never actually owned a bike with it myself) although I do wish all bikes still all had the front and rear brakes as separate systems instead of linking the foot/rear brake with the front. I see too many people these days that only use the foot brake and it's a disaster waiting to happen when they try to ride an older bike. I still like to be able to lock my rear tyre when I'm on dirt or sand, but I'd never wish to lock my front - having separate systems would permit switching off ABS for the rear when appropriate, without losing all of it's functionality.
This group is doing a fantastic job with content and production value.. Informed and clear content is just what this world needs.. I will take brains and clarity over Lies and half truths that seems to be most of social media these days.
I’m 47 and my dad had the same CB360 when I was a kid. I remember riding in the back of it with him. Awesome video Ryan! I couldn’t agree more on your comment at the end.
Nice! My first bikes were a CB250RS and a brace of '78 CB250 Twins (one for spares, of course.) A little underpowered, even in their day - don't think I ever got more than 110 km/h (68 mph), even downhill and lying on the tank. But they were a lot of fun on twisty backroads. :-)
My first bike was a 1974 Kawasaki enduro. It was beat to hell, but I loved it. I rode that bike just about everyday for years. I even rode it to school. Never changed the oil, and that thing ran forever. The reliability of those old bikes is uncanny.
I had a 360T, among many other bikes and this video has really made me appreciate it much more. I probably paid under $200 for it and then sold it for some profit after many smiles on country roads. I love this Canadian fellow and his approach to motorcycling as transportation...
I vividly remember longing for a CB250 when I was 15/16 - in the end all I could afford at 17 was the CB175! But it was MINE and I was FREE, after 3 years' of holiday jobs and saving!! Yes, I'm 60!!! I'm also very jealous of the CB360's disc brake, whereas I only ever had a front DRUM brake.... VERY scary when the cable snapped at 60mph on the approach to a roundabout!
My 01 honda runs discs but my 82 runs double drums. For some reason I like the drums more. I've never had a cable failure but it just feels like im more connected to the controls, I don't even know if that properly describes it but I love the front drum. I feel like for a 350lb bike it's more than effective in stopping it.
True story. I swear. I was in Trev Deeley Motorcycles on Broadway in Vancouver in about 1979 (the time that AMF owned HD...a sad era in HD history) . I was looking at HDs for shirts and giggles and couldn't understand why they were soooo expensive. I was and have been a lifetime Honda rider to this day. I overheard a salesman and a potential buyer. The customer asked "Where is the tool kit?" The HD salesman said "There isn't one." The buyer said " Really? Why not?" The salesman said "Harley Davidson builds the best motorcycles in the world. They don't need a tool kit." I nearly pissed myself laughing as I headed to the door. Honest to God, true story.
Not quite to the same degree but I get the point you're making. You're more likely to get a good deal on a Japanese bike than you would on a Harley not just on the price of the bike but the insurance as well.
in a video about 2 hondas, we get comments bitching about harley... typical. buy what you can afford and enjoy it. no need to wine about what you cant.
@@williamdeimos2354 I think you just stressed the point, young riders mostly cant afford a new or even older Harley. That does not imply they dont want one.
Learn to wrench on your own stuff, then haunt craigslist until you find something you like within budget. Everything takes effort, but sometimes you get to trade more effort for less cold hard cash. Important; older is better [to a point], and there will ALWAYS be more things wrong with it than you catch. Like someone said above; don't whine. Either make it happen, or move on.
Man, your videos are always the perfect combo of information, riding, science, cinematography, and passion. I'm hooked on watching your videos and I simply can't stop. Simply incredible!
When I was in high school, my first vehicle was a 1976 CB360T in the same color as the one you tested. I loved that bike. It set my visual standard for motorcycles, and I don't think any bike is more beautiful than that aqua blue CB360T. Thanks for showing how cool they are.
@vertex2100 love it, the CB300R feels like a big Grom. Honda should bump the cc to 350cc or even 399cc, it would solve everything. Still like it on the highway, I do 120-130 anyway and it does it with out any issues. Honda single cyls can run at 9,000rpm for long period of time. Had a Grom before and that little 125 was always maxed out. Never had a problem. Sold a FZ09 2017 to buy the CB300R. Missed the feel of a Grom but wanted a little more bike. My next bike will prob be a Guzzi V9 Bobber or a Triumph Street Twin. Nothing crazy 😉
Watched this for the second time today, great presentation. I was a mechanic and service manager, smack in the middle of the '70s, medium weight Japanese twins were a lot of bread and butter for our business. We had the Suzuki GS400 and the Kawasaki KZ400. Both models went on to refinements that made them better each year. Honda dealers weren't nearby but we knew they too had a good product. Would enjoy any of those machines today as my own. Edit: How many here recall the tool kits of the early larger Hondas ('62 - '66)? They included tire levers and touch up paint, I think perhaps patch kits too for some time. I still have some Honda tool kit items from that era, mostly pliers which are as good as any commercial ones I ever used.
Very nostalgic. CB360 was my first motorcycle in 1975. Best thing I did to it was eventually put in electronic ignition. Freed up oodles of time previously spent lightly filing & polishing the ignition points every two weeks! My CB360 was so special. It put out more power & had a pleasant rumbling sound compared to other CB369's.
"Off course vintage drum brakes are even worse, terrifying and ineffective handling emergency situations like our politicians" god damn, spot on man, spot on LOL
As a owner of a CB 400/4, allow me to disagree. Actually the performance of that big drum rear brake in my bike is surprisingly good, and because for a while i was having trouble the front wheel calliper, I was braking using only the rear with good confidence. I also own a Yamaha MT03, and both bikes are a lot of fun to ride. But guess which one I am going to keep in the long run...
Loved your video, terrific!! I had a 1976 CB 360, and put 79,400 Alaska miles on it!! Rebuilt the carbs once. And other than replacing break pads and tires, the bike was never touched. Oh yes, one new chain and two new sprockets. Loved that bike.
I had a '68 350 (325cc). It had 11.8:1 compression (dropped quickly to something like 9.5) and it liked "ethyl". It would literally chug up a 14% grade at idle like a steam engine. It would also peg the speedometer at 130MPH (but it took time after 120); it was a real chain-stretcher if you got on it. Later bikes were de-rated from 11500 red-line to around 10500. They liked to bleed oil, had to have the timing chain manually adjusted fairly often, and the pipes kept your legs really warm (or flash fried if you touched them with bare skin). You also wanted to keep the swing-arm greased and the front and rear drum brakes adjusted (and fresh enough shoes so the cams would not pull over the top!)
mmmm, so refreshing to hear someone else talk about wage stagnation. My dad tells me how he made what I make back in the 90s, and everything cost half or less :| To quote CCR, You better not complain boy, or you'll get in trouble with the man.
I too thought that was a great way to introduce that issue. Good to know that behind these videos is critical intelligent individuals, and not just some motorcycle nuts.
My brother had a gold cb 360t when I was a little kid. I thought it was awesome. Today, after a lifetime of racing/riding, I have a few bikes. One is a 2021 cbr1000rr. I will always ride. I pray to be riding when I die. Keep up the good work. Your videos are very good. Thanks.
It did not come with (from Japan) with any type of windshield or fairing or rack. It came just like in this video. I worked in a Honda shop back then and put a butt load of them together right out of the box. I also installed a good bit of after market windshields & a ton of rear racks/back rest's. T was for twin or as we called it turd.
Ideal would be a blend. Modern frame design concepts and lighter materials and fuel injection, brakes, and better tyres from the new bike. But from The old bike, the care in building it, the older dedication to making more power and spending money on the engine and the sound, the hand crafting and care in the aesthetics of the components etc. All with the cheaper price tag please haha. That’s the least realistic part though, unless it was built in China, and then the care part is probably out the window
Adjusted price for inflation is very deceptive and usually doesn't reflect reality. In my country inflation calculation has been so messed up over the years that it is only usefult to wipe your ass with it.
Gaurav galande i didn’t know about it but but just read up on it. It sounds pretty cool to me. Sounds like the only things you could really gain from modernising it a little more is aluminium frame instead of steel for weight savings, and higher compression engine for more grunt. But it has the old school cool factor and seems to actually be quite affordable. That’s a good size of engine too I reckon. Slipper clutch is a feature I like. I’d like to ride one.
I bought that same bike in 1977 brand new out the door for $1260. It was blue just like in your video. Loved that bike and put many miles on her. Liked it so much I bought a used 1976 model in 1983 and loved it again. Brought back memories for me now at 65 years old. thanks.
70s performance on an 2020 budget as the man says. The reason why I'm buying an RE as soon as we get some in the dealership, and the reason why every other manufacturer's dealership has bikes sitting in it from 5 years ago, while RE are all out of stock.
@@tonebonetones I think you're miss remembering the past, Just the UJMs were reliable bikes, RE was known as Royal Oilfields back in the day for leaking oil all the time.
Aesthetically its up to the one observing how it looks, but getting a better performance with less material that also costs less is a beauty in itself from an engineering standpoint. Also chrome looks just boring.
I have worked on motorcycles since January 1997. I remember the older CB’s the KZ’s GS’S XS’s. In the nineties they were sweet. Who could have seen twenty plus years from then there even sweeter. I wish i had bought some to have today!
@@bobturnbull18 Did you notice the old bike had 60 more cc's of displacement? Straight line terminal speed is NOT performance riding. Top speed is not "faster". The new bike with 60 less cubic centimeters and 70 less pounds was TWO seconds FASTER in the quarter mile. 1:50 A Toyota Tercel can do 115 mph. Eventually. But it's NOT fast, dolt. Did you miss the agility part with the little cones too? Have you ever ridden a motorcycle, Bob?
Yes, that was a brilliant call. Keep the camera still and the dog is a blooper, a distraction. Follow the dog and it becomes an in-joke, part of the scene.
@@findaneesh8885 I would have been hard-pressed not to. I wanted to see if the pup was going to relieve itself on that little beauty of a Honda, and how you two would handle it. I learned to ride on that bike's twin back in 1984.
It amazes me how Ryan and the Fortnine editing team make even the video subjects I initially disregarded as disinteresting very entertaining to watch. Going through and watching all of Fortnine's videos now, and loving every minute of it. I wish we had more motorcycle content creators stateside that could even come close to this level of production quality. Hats off to you guys.
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“Who got the better deal?”
The dealership! They sold 2 bikes and have been open for literally generations.
good ole stealership
Many have closed.
I can tell you which one is marked up more!
We dealerships have to make money as well, or you wouldn't have anywhere to buy new bikes :P
@@memewizard8372 you make enough on servicing alone, since we can't do repairs ourselves anymore with all the useless electronics onboard.
"holy and unafraid of water...like Jesus" Whoever writes the scripts for these videos is a god damned genius. A funny genius
the word "holy" is a double take so you could replace one with the other and the joke still stands
Ryan F9 and his camerman, they do it all. Ryan writes all the scripts. And as you can tell, he is a legit genius. I am certain they made this video for me, since I just started working on my CB360 a couple weeks ago, and it's been my new obsession. Coincidence??? Yay!
@@9inchpp yeah. We all got that, dude.
I'm in no rush, I'll take the CB360 (actually the earlier CB350 is more to my liking). As always, a great video , Ryan! It'll get you there but with a little more soul and comfort. That's why I bought my W800 Street over modern styled bikes. Love it.
He writes his own scripts ;D
The production value of these videos is equal to many TV documentaries.
Or better...
I would counter that the production and script are WAY above and beyond most tripe offered by "documentary type" channels on TV.
How big is his team and how do they do it with the budget they have?
@@eduardosturla the witty yet well thought out script is what made me a fan... even though he's Canadian
Just playin, No hate
The finest channel on TH-cam regardless of subject ..
I'm yet to find anything remotely close .
"Build the same motorcycle with old technology at lower cost"
Royal Einfield: "Hold my beer"
jajajaja sii
can get a brand new meteor or classic 350 for 4500.
Honda still does to! They got the same old 4 cylinder they always used on the same bike! They call it a retro now.
Royal Enfield sucks and is shit
Nah Harley been doing it the best by building literally the same motorcycle at a HIGHER cost.
I worked in the motorcycle industry for 27 years both retail and manufacturing dealing with Japanese, European, and American brands. Your analysis of the economy, engineering, physics, design, and marketing of the motorcycle industry superior to anything out there. You are the best.
My first bike was a twin Honda CB175 when I was 18, I went up to a Goldwing 1100, but for the past 15 years I'm driving a Honda CM400 1980 twin and fully appreciate the rugged and simple design that is still working fine after 41 years. At 60, I don’t see myself on another bike. Everything I learn on that channel is extremely relevant and informative. Thanks.
15 years for me...30 years ago! And I agree 100 percent!
Totally agree ! A kind of analysis not found anywhere else on the web. Superb !
I remember trying someone's CB360 twin back in the late 70s. It was raining. The gravel road was a bit muddy. I took it out in a muddy paddock and did some feet-up donuts. It handled well. I liked it. I had a '74 XL350 then upgraded to a 1980 XR250 that had less torque but more of everything else except weight (and I think mine had the factory performance kit fitted by the original owner). Now I have a CRF250L Rally which fills much the same niche (even more so in non-Rally form) with similar power, slightly more weight (which gets you electric start, water cooling, disk brakes with ABS, much bigger tank) and also half the fuel consumption and 8x the maintenance interval. The XL350 was almost exactly $1000 I believe, the CRF250/300L now are $5500 (ABS, non-Rally). Internet says the CPI ration 2021:1974 is 4.5 so, yeah, we're paying slightly more now. (Note: the mid 70s XL250 was seriously underpowered, and I didn't have one ... so I'm using the 350 as the comparison)
Plus those simple vintage bikes are easy to fix. The new ones with all their electronics tend to decay much faster.
Bruhhhhh 100 on editing. Someone get this man a Netflix or HBO show!
He and his team are impecible. I don't even have a bike and I just want to watch nonstop. And the knowledge provided is second to none. I learned so much with this video.
Why? He's doing just fine here.
Agreed!
Why? its free here.
Why, so the "experts" could give "input" and change his show by telling what to say and bend his opinion to advertisers.
This is old Top Gear level of a motor show review.
I disagree simply because I hated old Top Gear but love this.
no way, this has actual information and not just macho bullshit.
Maybe not “old” top gear, you are right that sucked. New top gear before they where fired/quit.
@@edwardspan396 when I say 'old top Gear' I mean the one with that insufferable prick that is Jeremy Clarkson.
@@gustavmeyrink_2.0 Show us on the doll where Jeremy touched you.
Reason why the Royal Enfield is doing so well is exactly that it's an actually old tech motorbike at a low upfront and maintenance cost.
Just what Ryan ordered 😁
Conversely, a big reason Harley Davidson's struggling is that they're selling old tech bikes for cutting edge tech prices.
Royal Enfield's Classic 350 has an MSRP of $4600, the CB300R in this video is $5,050, that 10% discount is even less when you consider that OTD costs are going to be something like 7k for both bikes after fees and the stealerships gets their pound of flesh. New bikes, even beginner ones, are not affordable at all for most people.
@@tstartrekdude I wonder why it's like this in canada , in india cb300r is 5100$ whereas classic 350 is 3700$ .... it's pretty significant price difference(I mentioned this price including all tax , insurance ,etc )
@@ankitsharma203Because they can, I assume. They know someone in Canada that considers buying a Royal Enfield is doing so because they like the look of it, not because it's cheaper than a Honda.
I've looked at them in Sweden too, but they're just way too expensive. I'd rather get a Ninja300 or similar, it's significantly cheaper up front.
That said I am still riding a GSX400 from 1983, so I absolutely agree with the video and an Enfield would be a slight downgrade, at least in power.
@@LarsaXLenfield will be a downgrade in power, handling and finish levels.
I'm grandpa, 63. Loved this video more than you will ever know, very nicely done. I'll take the twin thank you.
Grandpa here 67. I'll take the old bike any day. I road a cb 350 from Chicago to Vegas with 6 harleys quess what bike didn't have any problems
A bike like this just needs an upgrade in brakes ;-)
I actually bought that exact 360 off Ryan for my dad. It’s his favourite bike by far!
I am 64 but not grandpa (I never had kid... Also I don't see myself as a grandpa !) and I take the CB300R, the CB360T was a shitty bike !
@@jacksontaylor5664 sweet
Im just glad the new one has a round headlight. Long live the round headlight!!!
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks this. Any other shape seems unnatural.
I agree i got the 2017 model and the v shape headlight isn’t my favorite
i want a square headlight tho
I think I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again: F9 is the best thing to come from Canada since Rush
Got to listen to me some Red Barchetta now
Well said but I'd also add Guess Who to the list.
Mac demarco?
Bryan Adams, anyone?
You're all wrong. the correct answer is John Candy.
let me offer a perspective from a "senior citizen." i graduated from high school in 1972 and was a car, truck, and motorcycle nut from the first time i could reach the pedals on "anything." my first "bike" was a Harley-Davidson "M-50", then I graduated to a Yamaha "Twin 100", then came a "brand new" cherry red 1970 Honda 350 that I slept with in my bedroom. The Honda was replaced by a new 71 Kawasaki Mach-III 500 "death machine." by my Senior year, i had gone through all these bikes as well as a few Triumph "choppers", a 71 CB750, and a 68 900 Sportster that i pushed more than i rode. so i have a VERY close relationship with "old bikes" that "old people" still like. i also went through scores of cars and trucks over the last 50 years. today, i have a car collection of old mopars - seven 68-69 Barracudas. with all this background noted, let me offer this simple observation: my collection of Barracudas are 54 years old. do you think anyone will be collecting a 2022 Prius 54 years from now? i doubt it. sure, new motorcycles have incredible technology and OF COURSE, they are "better" in many ways. however, when you park that old CB360 beside that new CB300R - the OLD bike just looks SO much classier and "cool." call it the retro-design or the color or the mechanical way so many things worked - the "presence" of that old Honda is just so more memorable. frankly, if i was offered both those bikes for FREE - it would take me about 1 second to say: "thank you, I'll take the old CB360."
you can certainly tell by looking at honda's remakes of their classics: the 2018 super cub, the new monkey, the 2022 DAX, the H'ness CB350, and even something like the resurrected BSA gold star.. the 'sheen' of chrome and quality metal fleck paint on steel tanks and side covers and so on; the new versions all look soulless and faded. all the (heavy) quality parts have been replaced with plastic, which may be lighter and last longer if untouched, but it scuffs easy, fades, cracks, and it's as cheap to look at as it is to produce.
same as most cars now, the cheap plastic bodies they can make in any shape let us make the most mathematically aerodynamic and strong-but-lightweight body shape.. but everyone is following the same equation so every bike looks the damn same. i haven't seen a good looking bike since the 80s, that wasn't some sort of throwback design.
5:48 I feel like the cameraman really wanted to film that dog.
I think that dog wanted to mark its territory on that back tire :)
100% Priorities eh.
9:02 stalking
Wonderful happy stupid dog!
Why is the time stamp after it happens pls somebody explain to me why somebody would do this
"Holey and unafraid of water, like Jesus" Bro you're killin' me
Ha ha ha ha ha
And they'll both save you ✝️
Its these quips that brings me to Fort9
I was rolling on that one!!
That's exactly what Jesus said to Romans...
I owned a 360t just loved it, when to Portugal with my fiance and camping gear, we had a wonderful time, we married, and years later divorced but I still love the 360
Call common motor in houston tx. Brendan supplies parts and tech advice for the old hondas. a maybe source a 360 for you
My friend had one in storage and he died.. I don't know what became of it.. I was supposed to help him get it out and get it running..
that sucks that you got a divorce hope your still fine
It's okay buddy, you deserve someone better.
Haha love doesn't want or need anything
I bought a 350 Honda for $795.00 in 1968 after I got back from Vietnam. Compared to what was available, it was way beyond what they offered. It would go slightly over 100mph and had a 10, 500 redline and seemed fast to me until the 750 Honda came along. Excellent job doing the comparison between the old and the new versions.
350 was much better than the 360... my first was an 8 valve Yamaha 500, THAT was a good bike.
My story is almost the same . First bike a 350, the an 1980 750 f. Great bikes. I also had a 360, it was a pig. Fell over a lot.
The 360 was to tall, bad design. Ride safe.
"Ineffective at emergency situations, like our politicians."
Nothing Noone if American politicians were a braking system, they’d just be the piston dragging on rusted calipers after sitting in a field for a decade.
Ryan wins the quote of the new decade!
Best comparison ever... He could be Brazilian. 😅😅😅
@@JanitorJay83, you got me by surprise, I startled my family laughing!
America ain't the only country on earth.. .NEWS FLASH I KNOW....
"Wages have been stagnant for 50 years but the cost of living has not" pointing that out will get you banned from them tube
@J G Too honest
Reason? The global scam of the Federal Reserve.
I've been saying this for a couple of decades now. The bikes haven't fundamentally changed all that much, it's more evolutionary. The manufacturers need to work on price before the kids loose interest and live in the digital realm.
all hail the holy oyveytube overlords
@@mtnmotoadv Pay no attention to the hat behind the curtain. Oh and he's funding a revolution against you also. Interesting times, but are they any different than my grandfather's era....no, same crooks.
Couldn't agree with that ending more!
He's the voice of the youth to all those big companies... thanks to him for that but will this video change anything? Hard to believe... :/
is that THE Flump
What are you doing on a motorcycle vid ? xD
:O
its The Fluump :0
I own my grandfathers old 72 TS185. Compared to all the dirtbikes I've ridden, it is by far the most agile out of the dirtbike world. Not sure how really, but it feels weightless almost. All the new bikes are so bulky and tall, I feel like a turtle on them, but then I get back on the 185, and it feels like I'm part of the bike
Perfect: "Can you do this for three grand? Because that will sell motorcycling to the next generation."
Insane to think thats how much a new Grom or Monkey costs today :(
you can if you build your own get friendly with your local bike wreckers and build some cool stuff
Sure, buy the bike from China instead of Japan.
Daveinet you mean like BMW? That’s where they ended up building the 650s... at least the engine.
@@djw1091994 I was up for buying the 125 Trail Cub. £3600....Ye Gods
This is the most articulate, interesting media on motorcycling I’ve ever seen. This young man is talented. I hope someone pays him well.
Valid point ~ yet he's still kinda a jerk...so for himself he should work.
@@JTA1961 wow, relax. 😂
@@theoldleafybeard No he's kind of right. He has done business with Brett Tkacs, who is essentially a professional scam artist.
Brett sucessfully advocated for stricter motorcycle licensing laws. The new law? That you must take one of Brett's classes to get your motorcycle license! They're $900 in total.
Ryan - you're a wordsmith, poet, and a genuine engineer. Incredible content.
Yes, I agree, nice way to put it Mr Graeme Morrison. Another informative and entertaining episode...
@@jonathanwearne so true
If you like bikes or not, this is just really high quality content. Even with no interest in bikes or knowledge of them you can still just be entertained
I agree 100%.
That 360 T was my first bike, same color and everything! It was a 76 and I paid $650 for it used in 1981. It came with 3500 miles on the clock and was one of the most reliable bikes I ever owned. Thanks for the trip down memory lane! Great video as always, love the channel.
My first bike as well. In red. In 1985 $250 cash made from baling hay and shaping Christmas trees on tree farm in 90 degree weather all summer. Good times. Man that bike was buzzy and slow but it never let me down.
Oh my morning just got better.
Oh my night just got better. 11:07 here brother. From Philippines!
My evening got better in Ireland lol
and my afternoon
Better morning in Brazil!
Just got back from work and its your morning..interesting.
Will the new bike last 45years I wonder? 🤔
More like 5 years and then the scrap heap. In another 20 years the old 360T will still be desirable and the modern 300...totally forgotten?
not even almost xD
Khaffit hahaha 😂 love this comment
Probably not, it's a budget bike. Most of the old budget bikes aren't around either 🤷♂️
Why wouldn't it? With the same maintanance there's no reason it wouldn't last as long duhh...
his videos feel like everyone is happy in this world and enjoying their sundays.
I'm a Canadian from Vancouver living in Australia - love your videos bro! The humour and shots of Vancouver and top-shelf analysis are awesome! Keep up the good work! I like how you tied the purchase price of the bike into the real life economic considerations of consumers - next level =)
First, another gem. Great piece. Thank you.
I’m grandpa in this context being 60 years old. I have witnessed the entire progression first hand. Maybe we got a better deal back then, but there’s a big trade off. My first new motorcycle was a ‘74 Suzuki TM 125 (TM was forerunner to RM) and cost $725. US :-) Today, my MT-10 outperforms the most exotic machinery of 15 years ago with rock solid reliability. Its ugly with transformer eyes and plastic everywhere. But to me, the handling, braking, and acceleration are all worth it. I’d never want to go back to the performance of the 90’s, let alone the ‘70’s. Modern bikes are terrific, but too expensive to attract new riders. I think this was your point. Well taken. Keep up the good work, “Sonny” :-).
Most honest yet coherent comment I’ve seen here.
He is also not saying build all motos to the 70s standard we just need our entry level bikes to be built to the budget. Get somone in the door with a good experience for 2k and eventually they will want to spend ten. But as it sits a 5k beginner bike puts a lot of potential riders off and makes them either not ride or buy used.
I'm the same age Gramps, got to modify my first road bike in High School machine shop.
My first street bike in 1981 was a top heavy '77 Suzuki gs750. 7 bikes later my v-twin Vulcan with way better lower center of gravity and balance makes the twisties fun. 1500 for the Suzuki. 2500 for the Kawasaki...I'm not broke, still having fun
@@airglide2 honesty and coherency are made for each other.
"yet" is better off adding an i and hunting bigfoot in Nepal.
Moral of the story: Buy used, don't fret about perfection, have a blast.
Absolutely
If we all buy used and no one buys new, how can we buy used?
@@eleminohpee9078 supply and demand. Either they remove the bike, unlikely, dropped the price or realistically lobbying the govt to deal with old bikes...
@@eleminohpee9078 The manufacturers would be forced to reduce the price of new machines.
@@admiralbeez8143 Nope. If anything due to their loss of profits they would be forced to increase the price further.
Wow! I was really surprised how well the old brakes held up. As a rider for decades, I can tell you young-uns that the biggest improvement has been tyres. Modern tyres (even cheap ones) are incredible compared to the stuff we had back in the 80s.
yeah back in the early eighties blow outs were common on heavy cars and tread wear was just awefull.
You never used Dunlop K81.
Pirelli, Michelin.
@@edwardroberts8761 Continental, Heidenau, Metzeler.
@@C4H10N4O2 they were great too. The shop I worked at didn't really stock them.
Your enthusiasm for motorcycles, wry sense of humour and creative sense is timeless. Not to mention very useful information. Entertaining, smart, content. Hardly any wonder this video got 1.7 million views. I wonder what it would be like to hear your take on other things...Cheers from an 70 year old sailing cruiser who once rode his fathers Honda 350 and thought it was a great replacement for his BMW 750R that was getting a bit too much for him as he got on...Thank you
Thanks for the memories! I had a friend, that had that same bike, we use to go on rides together. I was 15, with a CL 175, he was an older retired man, and his 360 was new. Years ago I happened to see him, and he said "now he's too old to ride a motorcycle, and he wished we had taken a lot more rides together". My Neighbor, Mr Evans
That doesn’t sound creepy at all
@@queenbee7074 It's a sad story of a nice old Man
@@queenbee7074 We live in dire times wenn everything out of the ordinary is immidiately suspect. The man obviously has fond memories, so nothing creepy.
I wander what dark secrets many people hide wenn they scream 'creepy!'
But you obviously were joking.
Still cruising on an 82 Suzuki GS 750. Smooooth Reliable & recommended! 👍
@@Bellathebear777 I had some UJM's including a new Suzuki GS550, it was awesome! Mine was a 78.
Being one of the grandpas that had the original this one has me written all over it. BTW I think a better comparison bould be with the new 500 twin rather than the same capacity single, as they are aimed at the same riding segment. The single is pretty much a commuter, the 350/360 was a open road bike. Hard to believe hey, young whippersnapper!
THE big difference between these two in the forks and chassis , if you are riding them. The old bike flexes like wet spagetti on twisties. You can watch the front froks twist under load. If you follow one, you can watch the rear wheel torsionally twist when cornering ( gotta love a thin round tubular swingarm). The wire wheels don't help...
The damping and springing on both is equally aweful, despite the intervening decades, but the original had pretty much no aftermarket options to help it.
The old drum on the rear would become completely useless as soon as it heated up, so you had ONE piston stopping the whole bike and that had truely aweful pad material.
Completely upside down is the fact that the modern single is MUCH smoother than the old twin ( if you want smooth try the twin current CB500f/r/x). The old bike vibrates and tingles to the point where we would put foam grips on to retain any feeling in our hands.
Despite the previous comment, I know several people that did the BIG Loop ( around the outside of Australia...sort of) on the 350 and 360 without a mech glitch. Tyres not included. I wouldn't like to do the same on the single.
You mentioned that the dropping of the cyl was for financial reasons. If that's the case, why do we still have the ridiculous transverse inline fours, that have to spin their tits off to go anywhere. Made sense when they were aircooled, but a water cooled TI-L4 is just wide for no reason. Don't get me wrong, I loved my CBR250RR ( the real one with 19000rpm 4cyl) ...ON A RACE TRACK, but on the road. Motors that require a million cc's to get any useful torque are just silly.
Absolutely love your channel BTW
Well said sir
Looking at the 300r as just a commuter us exactly what he is pointing out. The new generation of riders (us) use whatever bike we have for all types of riding. Very similar to how the older guys did back in the day.
Yup. I had me one of them there CB360s, too, back in the day. I had a lot of fun on that bike until somebody stole the instruments and all the handlebar controls by severing all the cables and wires with side cutters. As usual, speaking as a film maker and a 50 years rider on five continents: superb work in every respect. Always love to see you on my screen.
The current Honda 500 twins are future classics many of us will look back upon.
Agree absolutely on your comments on the handling. As someone who had GT 250's/GT750's and Honda CBX1000's they flexed like crazy. But, it was normal for us and we just rode around the issue. Great fun. Where I absolutely disagree with you is in regard to the inline 4. "Ridiculous" I have no idea how anyone can say that. Many of us prefer inline 4's, we love the high revs and you can ride them perfectly without being on a track. As for your comments regarding large cc to get useful torque, again many many of us like the characteristics of large capacity multi cylinder bikes. As someone who enjoys going up and down the gearbox I do it all the time on my multi that produces 114 lb.ft of torque. I, and many others dislike V twins etc.
5:45 i appreciate how the cameraman panned a bit to follow the dog, and you left it in the final cut.
Every of these videos are like separate movies about the motorcycles industry. All of them are filled with love and passion. I always enjoy watching them. Thanks a lot!
1973 CB 350 was my first bike. At 16 yrs. of age I could take apart and repair anything on that bike. Such a simple machine.
Using the2022 cb350 great bike
Fortnine: sell yesterday's motorcycle for less money
Motto Guzzi and Triumph: sell yesterday's motorcycle for more money
Triumph? I think harley fits better
@@ericiglesias4313 sell caveman technology for a kidney
@Markus Holler to be fair yes, :)
but they'll never give fortnine one to review :(
Don't forget Harley: sell yesterday's motorcycle for more than you'd spend on a car.
@@joshbobst1629 to be fair their entry levels aren't too bad, 9-10k
9/9 for production quality.
5/7
8/8
All I ever think about is Boobies.
@@LTLT900 That will change after you buy some. You'll get over it.
RPM is important, but so is a 24% displacement advantage for the older bike (356cc vs 286cc), which was worth a mention.
CB300R makes up for that 24% lower displacement with EFI. It‘s only a 12.5% difference in power for 24% higher displacement. 🤷♂️
@tw1st3d35 it's more about head design than it is EFI vs. carb. A well tuned carb will often run more efficiently than EFI. All "new bikes" definitely have an extra 40 years of head design worked in, though.
Also, Ryan's stated power output of both bikes may be incorrect. For the CB300R he said 28hp, Honda UK states 31 @ 8500 rpm. Most websites seem to agree the 1975 CB360T runs at 34hp @ 9000 rpm. Whether 3 or 4 hp difference, the weight is gonna have the biggest impact.
Making a good YT video is a very rare skill, but obviously comparing 2 numbers is a even more rare skill.
@@holmiumh I can't figure out what your comment means unless I assume you are an ass, which I would rather not do. What are you trying to say?
"You'll die before you'll ever need to replace one of these, but that day may come sooner than you like."
The BBC should have grabbed this guy to take over Top Gear - he is the new Jeremy Clarkson but without the needless insults. Genius.
yes! absolutely!! give this man his own show.... wait, he already has that here... put this there!
neeless insults is what we need
Yeh I agree a good insult can be a thing of beauty - but Clarkson often stepped well over the line being racist, sexist etc.
Oh Dildo - like when he comes out with “eeny, meeny, miny, moe, catch a n****r by the toe” or calls a guy in Thailand a “slope” and the time he claimed a UK politician who had lost an eye in an accident was a “one eyed idiot”.
@Dildo Baggins How noble of you, Dildo.......
Best motorcycle content on TH-cam
Thanks i try my best on every video so you guys can enjoy
Amen.
Not sure why you needed to add the word motorcycle in there. Best content on TH-cam in general.
Correction, best motorcycle content anywhere..
I would some of the best content PERIOD!
That’s my era of bikes, first was a CB175 in 1976, progressing thru CB450, CB750 etc. Still love that style and feel. One major point not covered here was that I could work on my old bike, understand how it worked, change out brake pads, learn about maintenance etc. Even came with the tools as stated! Today with electronics I would need a host of specialized tools. Give me the old days..lol
The choice of words and the innuendos, make his narration hilarious. Love his style
He sounds like a cross between Rod Serling and Agent Smith.
I love how this video has an actual conclusion and an Actual Answer to the question!!
“Beauty is beholden to the age of the eye”
What a great case study on the evolution of motorcycles. I used to think a 360 was a big bike😬
In the 70s, a 360 was considered a medium size bike. 100s were small. 650 big. About 78, some CB350 Hondas were beating some 650s in the quarter.
I never comment. But man, I have to say these films are amazing all around every single time
Films they are indeed!
This man is right. Motorbikes are too god damn expensive nowadays.
kiki the gerbil in Cambodia, you can pick up a new Grom/MSX125 for less than $2500. Used ones goes for $900-$1200.
@@scinovlog9680 I saw the Kawasaki Versys 300 at a bike show in the Philippines when they first came out. I liked the look of it and converted the price to pounds ,what a bargain,IO was sold. They were announced in Britain a couple of months later with a price tag of nearly 40% more. If you think American prices are expensive take a look across the Atlantic.
Can confirm overseas pricing. In moto mad SE Asia, where incomes are far less than North America? The price is adjusted downward. Some of the features change, but you get the same engine and chassis. The prices are great bargain. Big three make it up on volume? There are other complex global market factors, too.
Inflation bois
In Singapore, a brand new Honda/Yamaha moped will cost you 9000 USD.
If motorcycling was a religion , he would be the Messiah 🔥
holy and unafraid of water
God more like 😅
Riding his motorcycle on water.
He'd wheelie across the Atlantic with a hypermotard , Messiah style
@Khaffit cause u don't get life of Brian references
It's so cool seeing the bike that I first started riding on back in 1986 in current videos driving on the roads! My bike was a garage find (hidden in the back of a garage at a yard sale). I rode it for 5,000 miles in 2 months as I went from beginner license to full license. Thanks for another excellent video!
And that friends, is why Royal Enfield 650's are going to sell like hell!!!!
Would love to see a comparison of the Interceptor 650 with a 70s Commando or late 60s Bonnie
And the interceptor has 270 crank which will sound good
Randail Lizarte not as good as a Commando or Bonnie with the 360 crank though although a 360 crank has other issues it does sound amazing.
Honda has come up with a similar modern classic CB350 here in India . Hope that does well
Damn, a month late hahaha
I knew somebody would think of that too, they seem like a great idea now
This has to be the most informative and highest production quality motorcycle channel on youtube.
Was coming here to say this but you beat me to it. Brilliant quality.
Agreed.
As a fifty-something former motorcyclist, I chuckled at this. A very nice little production.
Beam frames, drilled discs, forks that didn't flex.... they were all a dream or a fantasy back then, so we didn't know what we didn't have because it wasn't out there.
A nice
I have a 72 CL350 and it is so much fun to ride. The "modern" 300cc class of bikes has absolutely no appeal to me personally but I thought your analysis was really good and very entertaining. Kudos.
👍
I’m a Grandpa and I got it right. Bought two new ones in 76 one was a CJ 360 no electric starter “ I do miss them so.
Now it’s a gold wing
I remember taking my new wife across Canada in the early 80’s with all our camping gear....and never having a problem with the ct360 we rode...awesome
note to editor-loved the old 70's era match needle viewfinder framing. Your creativity doesn't go unnoticed !
love this. I am a new rider. I started on a grom. After looking at all the new, bikes, i decided they were boring. Being a fan of classic cars, i decided that an old bike would be more fun and better match my personality. I got a 74 cb360 that is the same blue as this one. I rode it once and now, My hubby has started the "surgery". It will be cafe racer style by the spring.
Before I watch, the MOMENT I see Ryan F9 video my heart stops. Yes, it’s motorbikes as a topic. But, he is a real visionary type when it comes to bringing the heart and soul of what the motorcycling actually is in mind, body, and spirit with real science. Super detailed sciences with perfect placed rhetorical and comedic references that is never learned in journalism or film school. Thank you God for making Ryan. And thank you to Ryan for creating his verse and changing the world we all live inside and always being brave.
I've been riding 28 years and like both vintage and modern bikes. I've owned more than 30 motorcycles in that time, and ridden many more as I worked for Honda, and currently have 8 Hondas in my man-cave.
I learned to ride on a 1987 Honda NSR250R (MC16) and in comparison the modern learner legal bikes are very vanilla. Some might even say boring. Sure, they're reliable, but there's more to motorcycle ownership IMO than reliability. The NSR I learned on was already 5 years old by the time I got my hands on it, and it showed, but it built character and taught me how to spin spanners ... and do roadside repairs haha.
My wife is currently on her learners and riding a 1974 CB350G. This week she serviced it herself, with the help of two different shop manuals, which included tappet clearances and points timing. She needed a little help from me but mostly question and answer type stuff.
Getting your hands dirty is not for everyone, but if you have an interest I'd highly recommend buying yourself a 70's Honda and having some fun with it. Vintage motorcycle ownership is very rewarding.
"Mixing every known metric with a hockey stick." That was pure genius. Great video in understandable terminology.
A big applause for the whole team. I've seen several of your videos and the quality is excellent! This one is phenomenal.
I think motorcycles have some amazing advancements that you've highlighted so so well in this video. What i think was lost over time was, price and quality. When you showed the handpainted and chromed out body parts of the old CB, that really spoke to me. People want to act like our new modern stuff is just superior in every way, but you simply cannot deny that we've cut corners in quality for profit. The old bikes just have this hand made feel to them. They were made with pride. I have ridden old motorcycles and new ones, and new bikes have superior rider experience because of how accessible and easy the engineering has made them.. But they just lack that Ineffable feeling of pride that the old bikes have. I think the same can be said for cars. It's tough because everything is getting more expensive so corners must be cut in order for companies to keep up with the competition who are also finding ways to cut corners in order to make cars and bikes more economical. And even then, because of inflation, you get less for more money now. So even if they were made up to that hand made standard, you would be paying tens of thousands of dollars. Even in the last 30 years it has gotten bad. If you compare a 1990's toyota to a toyota made today, you are literally being scammed. They're garbage now.
I find that even the most supposed luxurious brands of cars and motorcycles feel cheaply made now.
Check out the Yamaha SR400 - it's a rare bike made to that old spec at relatively similar prices, details and all.
Also, some of the "advancements" he listed could be found within a few short years of the 360T he featured. Like how the Honda CB250 T also used the engine as a structural member - in the late '70s. But the real test of quality is as the years go by - I wonder how many of these new bikes will still be on the road regularly in 40+ years.
@Rahul Soren Many motorcycles made today can get to >70k miles with good servicing, quite a few even >100-200k or beyond. Most older bikes have a hard time getting that far unless they're extremely overbuilt and rebuild-friendly like Evo-era Harleys or XS650s, because of tolerances and wear and metallurgy and so on.
@@aussiebloke609 For me the biggest advancement is Antilock brakes and realiability of the newer disc braking systems. ABS just makes a bike way safer and more user friendly. But yes, the engine being structural to the frame is pretty huge too.
@@jvogler_art4708 I won't argue about ABS in theory (I've never actually owned a bike with it myself) although I do wish all bikes still all had the front and rear brakes as separate systems instead of linking the foot/rear brake with the front. I see too many people these days that only use the foot brake and it's a disaster waiting to happen when they try to ride an older bike. I still like to be able to lock my rear tyre when I'm on dirt or sand, but I'd never wish to lock my front - having separate systems would permit switching off ABS for the rear when appropriate, without losing all of it's functionality.
Wow, I'm impressed. However, I'm impressed with the production style and content every time, therefore I'm confused that I stay impressed.
This group is doing a fantastic job with content and production value.. Informed and clear content is just what this world needs.. I will take brains and clarity over Lies and half truths that seems to be most of social media these days.
Been riding on and off for 30 years... learned more about my motorcycles in this video than I had in the decades of riding. Brilliant work!
I’m 47 and my dad had the same CB360 when I was a kid. I remember riding in the back of it with him. Awesome video Ryan! I couldn’t agree more on your comment at the end.
Im restoring a vintage 1979 CB myself for my first bike- thanks for letting me know what Im getting into vs a new bike, really cool video
You can always resto mod it. Modern discs and calipers to help with the braking etc.
i got a 74" Moto guzzi 250ts with dual front drum brakes cable operated, so thecnecly no brakes.
Nice! My first bikes were a CB250RS and a brace of '78 CB250 Twins (one for spares, of course.) A little underpowered, even in their day - don't think I ever got more than 110 km/h (68 mph), even downhill and lying on the tank. But they were a lot of fun on twisty backroads. :-)
My first bike was a 1974 Kawasaki enduro. It was beat to hell, but I loved it.
I rode that bike just about everyday for years. I even rode it to school. Never changed the oil, and that thing ran forever. The reliability of those old bikes is uncanny.
I had a 360T, among many other bikes and this video has really made me appreciate it much more. I probably paid under $200 for it and then sold it for some profit after many smiles on country roads. I love this Canadian fellow and his approach to motorcycling as transportation...
I vividly remember longing for a CB250 when I was 15/16 - in the end all I could afford at 17 was the CB175! But it was MINE and I was FREE, after 3 years' of holiday jobs and saving!! Yes, I'm 60!!!
I'm also very jealous of the CB360's disc brake, whereas I only ever had a front DRUM brake.... VERY scary when the cable snapped at 60mph on the approach to a roundabout!
My 01 honda runs discs but my 82 runs double drums. For some reason I like the drums more. I've never had a cable failure but it just feels like im more connected to the controls, I don't even know if that properly describes it but I love the front drum. I feel like for a 350lb bike it's more than effective in stopping it.
A CB175 huh, ya posh git! I started with a ' 66 Francis Barnett 150... new piston rings every 250 miles, whether it needed 'em or not!
True story. I swear.
I was in Trev Deeley Motorcycles on Broadway in Vancouver in about 1979 (the time that AMF owned HD...a sad era in HD history) . I was looking at HDs for shirts and giggles and couldn't understand why they were soooo expensive. I was and have been a lifetime Honda rider to this day.
I overheard a salesman and a potential buyer. The customer asked "Where is the tool kit?"
The HD salesman said "There isn't one."
The buyer said " Really? Why not?"
The salesman said "Harley Davidson builds the best motorcycles in the world. They don't need a tool kit."
I nearly pissed myself laughing as I headed to the door.
Honest to God, true story.
hey look its the Harley problem again
"We need to get young riders, let's sell them a $29,000 bike!"
I'm not spending new car money on a bike. I'm not sorry Hahaha I don't like spending new car money on a new car.
Not quite to the same degree but I get the point you're making. You're more likely to get a good deal on a Japanese bike than you would on a Harley not just on the price of the bike but the insurance as well.
in a video about 2 hondas, we get comments bitching about harley... typical. buy what you can afford and enjoy it. no need to wine about what you cant.
@@williamdeimos2354 I think you just stressed the point, young riders mostly cant afford a new or even older Harley. That does not imply they dont want one.
Learn to wrench on your own stuff, then haunt craigslist until you find something you like within budget.
Everything takes effort, but sometimes you get to trade more effort for less cold hard cash. Important; older is better [to a point], and there will ALWAYS be more things wrong with it than you catch.
Like someone said above; don't whine. Either make it happen, or move on.
I enjoy the way he appreciates all the small differences and simple old & new features .
Man, your videos are always the perfect combo of information, riding, science, cinematography, and passion. I'm hooked on watching your videos and I simply can't stop. Simply incredible!
When I was in high school, my first vehicle was a 1976 CB360T in the same color as the one you tested. I loved that bike. It set my visual standard for motorcycles, and I don't think any bike is more beautiful than that aqua blue CB360T. Thanks for showing how cool they are.
I own a CB300R, love it. It's a big Grom, nimble, quick enough for my needs.
Does everything well, just need a better looking exhaust 😂
@vertex2100 love it, the CB300R feels like a big Grom.
Honda should bump the cc to 350cc or even 399cc, it would solve everything.
Still like it on the highway, I do 120-130 anyway and it does it with out any issues. Honda single cyls can run at 9,000rpm for long period of time. Had a Grom before and that little 125 was always maxed out. Never had a problem.
Sold a FZ09 2017 to buy the CB300R. Missed the feel of a Grom but wanted a little more bike.
My next bike will prob be a Guzzi V9 Bobber or a Triumph Street Twin. Nothing crazy 😉
@vertex2100 sounds like a lot of fun 😁👍
And a better looking bike to attach it to!
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Watched this for the second time today, great presentation. I was a mechanic and service manager, smack in the middle of the '70s, medium weight Japanese twins were a lot of bread and butter for our business. We had the Suzuki GS400 and the Kawasaki KZ400. Both models went on to refinements that made them better each year. Honda dealers weren't nearby but we knew they too had a good product. Would enjoy any of those machines today as my own.
Edit: How many here recall the tool kits of the early larger Hondas ('62 - '66)? They included tire levers and touch up paint, I think perhaps patch kits too for some time. I still have some Honda tool kit items from that era, mostly pliers which are as good as any commercial ones I ever used.
Very nostalgic. CB360 was my first motorcycle in 1975. Best thing I did to it was eventually put in electronic ignition. Freed up oodles of time previously spent lightly filing & polishing the ignition points every two weeks! My CB360 was so special. It put out more power & had a pleasant rumbling sound compared to other CB369's.
"Off course vintage drum brakes are even worse, terrifying and ineffective handling emergency situations like our politicians" god damn, spot on man, spot on LOL
As a owner of a CB 400/4, allow me to disagree. Actually the performance of that big drum rear brake in my bike is surprisingly good, and because for a while i was having trouble the front wheel calliper, I was braking using only the rear with good confidence. I also own a Yamaha MT03, and both bikes are a lot of fun to ride. But guess which one I am going to keep in the long run...
"Off course vintage drum brakes are even worse". Dude, my '62 BMW has the original 'antilock' drum brakes. How's that for ahead of its time?
@@42much1 hang on to and preserve your Honda 400 four. They are becoming VERY hard to find.
Loved your video, terrific!! I had a 1976 CB 360, and put 79,400 Alaska miles on it!! Rebuilt the carbs once. And other than replacing break pads and tires, the bike was never touched. Oh yes, one new chain and two new sprockets. Loved that bike.
My mind says modern, but my heart says classic.
And my bank says:"Walk!"
go for a royal enfield 650.
@@punavmirlekar I have an XSR900 🤣
@@adiohead dammm! i thought you were looking to buy a motorcycle haha! i suggested RE because it is low tech. ... anyway! happy & safe riding mate
@@punavmirlekar even the metallurgy is low tech ... and low quality
I had a '68 350 (325cc). It had 11.8:1 compression (dropped quickly to something like 9.5) and it liked "ethyl". It would literally chug up a 14% grade at idle like a steam engine. It would also peg the speedometer at 130MPH (but it took time after 120); it was a real chain-stretcher if you got on it. Later bikes were de-rated from 11500 red-line to around 10500. They liked to bleed oil, had to have the timing chain manually adjusted fairly often, and the pipes kept your legs really warm (or flash fried if you touched them with bare skin). You also wanted to keep the swing-arm greased and the front and rear drum brakes adjusted (and fresh enough shoes so the cams would not pull over the top!)
130 mph or kph?
@@brenthall6554 MPH
5:16 "Current disks are holy and therefore unafraid of water, like Jesus." Best thing I've ever heard HAHAHAA
I heard it as hole-y...guess that could work too.
@@lukecalumlyonwrath7723 "Holey" would be the correct of spelling it if he didn't add the "like Jesus" comment at the end, turning it into a joke.
"holy and unafraid of water...like Jesus" lolll cracked me up
holey
Jesus created water. Why would He be afraid of anything?
And then he touched the discs! The pain!
@QuestionMan I bet Jesus himself would laugh at that.
@@exothermal.sprocket so his passion was just for show? I guess I don't feel so bad for him anymore. Thanks!
mmmm, so refreshing to hear someone else talk about wage stagnation. My dad tells me how he made what I make back in the 90s, and everything cost half or less :| To quote CCR, You better not complain boy, or you'll get in trouble with the man.
I too thought that was a great way to introduce that issue. Good to know that behind these videos is critical intelligent individuals, and not just some motorcycle nuts.
My brother had a gold cb 360t when I was a little kid. I thought it was awesome. Today, after a lifetime of racing/riding, I have a few bikes. One is a 2021 cbr1000rr. I will always ride. I pray to be riding when I die. Keep up the good work. Your videos are very good. Thanks.
Your Grandpa's bike came with a fairing and rear rack as the T was for touring Loved Loved loved my 360 T
I had the exact same 360T... was a naked bike.
I thought the “T” was twin. I’m certain there was singles and 4s in their line with varied displacements.
Love tightening the spokes, too?? Setting and cleaning the points? You can keep that sh*t.
It did not come with (from Japan) with any type of windshield or fairing or rack. It came just like in this video. I worked in a Honda shop back then and put a butt load of them together right out of the box. I also installed a good bit of after market windshields & a ton of rear racks/back rest's. T was for twin or as we called it turd.
@@keithhallgren "I had the exact same 360T... was a naked bike." Yup. Mine too.
Gotta say after watching motorcycle videos on youtube for 3 years, you are the best motorcycle youtuber ever!
love the mototcycle physics!
Ideal would be a blend. Modern frame design concepts and lighter materials and fuel injection, brakes, and better tyres from the new bike. But from
The old bike, the care in building it, the older dedication to making more power and spending money on the engine and the sound, the hand crafting and care in the aesthetics of the components etc. All with the cheaper price tag please haha. That’s the least realistic part though, unless it was built in China, and then the care part is probably out the window
Adjusted price for inflation is very deceptive and usually doesn't reflect reality. In my country inflation calculation has been so messed up over the years that it is only usefult to wipe your ass with it.
With all of your points, what are your views on the RE Interceptor650 ??
Gaurav galande i didn’t know about it but but just read up on it. It sounds pretty cool to me. Sounds like the only things you could really gain from modernising it a little more is aluminium frame instead of steel for weight savings, and higher compression engine for more grunt. But it has the old school cool factor and seems to actually be quite affordable. That’s a good size of engine too I reckon. Slipper clutch is a feature I like. I’d like to ride one.
@@rhino015 holy shit, we indians just got it. Its called highness cb 350, its the perfect modern classic. Check it out
I bought that same bike in 1977 brand new out the door for $1260. It was blue just like in your video. Loved that bike and put many miles on her. Liked it so much I bought a used 1976 model in 1983 and loved it again. Brought back memories for me now at 65 years old. thanks.
Can you do this for 3k?
Royal Enfield: Yes.
70s performance on an 2020 budget as the man says. The reason why I'm buying an RE as soon as we get some in the dealership, and the reason why every other manufacturer's dealership has bikes sitting in it from 5 years ago, while RE are all out of stock.
Can you keep the same old quality?
Royal Enfield: No
@@GVencislavov Have you seen the 650s racing?
@@tonebonetones I think you're miss remembering the past, Just the UJMs were reliable bikes, RE was known as Royal Oilfields back in the day for leaking oil all the time.
Theyre not...
"Chrome, chrome, chrome, chrome
Plastic, plastic, plastic, plastic".
Love that chrome🤤
kiki the gerbil agreed I like the look of the new bike but I guess that’s cause I’m young
@kiki the gerbil No it aint.
Plastic is lighter than chrome and doesn't rust. It might not look as good, but functionally it's much better.
Aesthetically its up to the one observing how it looks, but getting a better performance with less material that also costs less is a beauty in itself from an engineering standpoint.
Also chrome looks just boring.
Really liked this review. Like always! I just got home from a 4hr ride on my ‘76 Honda CB 550. She runs like a clock!
love my 75' cb 550! rebuilt and screams.
I have worked on motorcycles since January 1997. I remember the older CB’s the KZ’s GS’S XS’s. In the nineties they were sweet. Who could have seen twenty plus years from then there even sweeter. I wish i had bought some to have today!
I love tge "retro-tutorial" feel of this video. Kudos to everyone involved!
i'd still choose the CB360T in a heartbeat.
You must not be a performance rider.
@@gregp103 Did you notice the old bike was 20 kph faster ?
@@bobturnbull18 Did you notice the old bike had 60 more cc's of displacement?
Straight line terminal speed is NOT performance riding. Top speed is not "faster". The new bike with 60 less cubic centimeters and 70 less pounds was TWO seconds FASTER in the quarter mile. 1:50 A Toyota Tercel can do 115 mph. Eventually. But it's NOT fast, dolt.
Did you miss the agility part with the little cones too? Have you ever ridden a motorcycle, Bob?
Greg P not everyone has to be a performance rider. Let people enjoy things.
@@dennist.9579 Correct.
I love how Aneesh kept the dog that entered in the shot at 5:45 as long as possible
I was worried because there wasn't a tree or hydrant around.
I almost followed him out of the frame. Priorities eh!
Yes, that was a brilliant call. Keep the camera still and the dog is a blooper, a distraction. Follow the dog and it becomes an in-joke, part of the scene.
@@findaneesh8885 I would have been hard-pressed not to. I wanted to see if the pup was going to relieve itself on that little beauty of a Honda, and how you two would handle it. I learned to ride on that bike's twin back in 1984.
It amazes me how Ryan and the Fortnine editing team make even the video subjects I initially disregarded as disinteresting very entertaining to watch. Going through and watching all of Fortnine's videos now, and loving every minute of it. I wish we had more motorcycle content creators stateside that could even come close to this level of production quality. Hats off to you guys.