Dominion: Nocturne Review - with Tom Vasel
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ค. 2024
- Tom Vasel takes a look at this dark fantasy oriented expansion for Dominion!
00:00 - Introduction
01:23 - Game overview
11:55 - Final thoughts
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I think Nocturne is really fun. One of the best expansions and it make the game more than just draw and discard cards!
I play every weekends with expert players, we have all of the expansions and Nocturne is one of my favorites. The cards here are particularly technical and well balanced. In the first expansions of Dominion (Prosperity for example...) The only strategy possible is to play an high trasher like "chapel" and spam strong cheated cards like "Gran Market". Give to a beginner a "workshop who can gain card up to 8" and the beginner will say : "it's the best expansion" 😒 . The latest Dominion expansions like Empires and Nocturne are for me the best because you have many strategic CHOICES. Thanks and respect to Donald X Vacarino and his team for the great job they have done in all Dominion expansions.
I hope they eventually put out more potion cards. The only reason I didn't care too much too much for Alchemy is because it didn't have enough potion cards.
Minor correction, this is actually the 4th set that Duration cards have been in. The other 3 being Seaside, Adventures, and Empires.
This isn't nearly as complicated as he seems to make it out to be
@@Arjay82 Most complicated and complicated are not the same thing
From my experience playing digitally, the night phase in particular opens up some really interesting strategic space. However I can totally see how it might be fiddly in person. Pretty sure I remember reading the designer say that he knew this set was more aimed at experienced players, but I think that's fine having just done two new 'simple' sets of cards for the 2nd Edition Original and Intrigue.
Tom sound exhausted and less enthusiastic as compared to his previous dominion reviews. Great and honest review. Thank you TDT.
Right? He just made it sound arduous, and it appears rightfully so.
I see this expansion as basically Dominion 2. I've never been a fan of the idea of using only 1 expansion before, but I could totally get behind doing so with Nocturne
I definitely agree.
I absolutely love this expansion
I don't know what kind of group you normally play with, but you always have the option of just not playing with Night/Boon/Hex with new players and anyone who has a few games of Dominion under their belt can be taught the new rules in a few seconds. I mean I don't think I'd bring out Alchemy/Dark Ages/Adventures/Empires cards in a first game either.
John Smith honestly, the base game’s first game setup is perfect for the first and second game of dominion
One of the main reasons I like Dominion, is when you play with experience players the game goes pretty quickly. True when a new set comes out it slows down the game a bit till people get use the to new cards. But this just adds several different support piles and the new phase, it just to fiddily, I agree with Tom that this my least favorite expansion, and I played several games of Nocturne, I'll be keeping it but would hesitate to play another Nocturne only game, I would rather have a couple of cards maybe mixed in with a ranodm kingdom. I use an app that randomized the kingdom cards. But Nocturne just slows the game down way to much for what you get out of it.
Thanks for the nice review.
Me and a friend of me own all Dominion games/expansions together so I think I will buy this too (when it’s available in German).
I think the longer game is no problem for us, because we usually think 15 minutes about a 20-30 Card setup (without standard cards) before we really play.
But let’s if the night phase makes fun or if it is a nightmare.
Not a fan of this review. You said, that a game takes longer, but the same is true if you use Adventures or especially Empires (my favorite expansion btw.) if you want to play well. Setup in Dominion with a lot of expansions can take its time. Do you need shelters, colony's, platin? Ruins? What Events? Landmarks? What tokens? Any mats or coins? Its not like: "Here are 10 random cards. Let's go". The only sets that can do this are Basic, Intrigue and Hinterlands. All the other expansions have cards with some more setup rules or additional material. To complain about this in the last expansion is not fair. And even tough setup takes longer it takes less time than setting up something like Orléans.
Tbh without this I wondered what could extend play time
A friend bought me this expansion on a whim and we love it! I feel this review is a little lopsided. Yes there are weird cards but it definitely makes the game more interesting!
Fantastic, honest review. One of your best Tom, I REALLY appreciate that. My thoughts exactly after reading the cards.
And everyone else hates this review. FANTASTIC
Even though it adds a lot of cards and setup time I do like this expansion. Games might take a bit longer than usual but I do think I will use some of the cards quite regular. most heirlooms are amazing and ghost town is oe of my favorite cards in the game.
Great review, thank you.
Technically curse cards are always part of the setup. For example if yuo are playing with Garden and no cards that give players curses, you are still allowed to simply buy a curse in case you have an extra buy and that last curse can bump several gardens up a point.
I agree with some of your complaints, especially the fool card slowing down the game, but this is the first Dominion I've played and I love it. The original will be my next purchase and perhaps my opinion of Nocturne will change afterward but this was easily good enough for me to become a Dominion fan/player. Thanks for the review.
I feel like this expansion would be overwhelming with all the new types of cards they added. Haven't played it yet tho. Willing to try
My wife and I play dominion all the time and have every expansion. My opinion is that Nocturne is fine: I don't think it's on the same level as Dark Ages or Empires, but new cards to interact with and new mechanics are what keep Dominion interesting.
I have never understood the criticism that Nocturne takes longer. I have played this expansion many times, and I have no clue what other people are doing that makes the game take longer. The night phase is an extremely simple mechanic. All the extra cards (boons/hexes, spirits, wishes, etc.) add a lot of chaos to the table but they don't actually add time to the game. The kinds of things that make Dominion take a long time are heavy attack games, games without trashing, or just really complex combo games where you might get stuck in analysis paralysis land. But play a game where all the players understand the power level of Shepherd and watch how fast THAT game is over.
I LOVE the shepard card, it plays so well with the legendary baron card :D it does slow the game a bit down as people hoard estates.. but its still good fun!
You've got the wrong publisher and designer listed at 1:37.
I hope there are new Ideas and a lot of new Card types... Yes there are a lot! I'm very corious. This is a very big Expansion. The Style of Nocturne is cool and the theme of Mystic is a good Idea
I think this works better in the digital game rather than the physical one.
This looks like the kind of expansion that would make all of my friends hate Dominion.
I'm shocked by all the people who say they don't like Nocturne because it's too complex. Apparently you can't win, because too many of my friends say they don't like Dominion because it's too boring and predictable. Make up your minds! :D While I agree that Nocturne isn't my favourite expansion, complexity is good and has given us some of my favourite expansions: Dark Ages, Adventures, and Empires.
Dominions behind the times. They need to get with the modern board gaming zeigeist and have a cat themed expansion.
I hope this is a joke
This COULD be fun for a dark ages compliment (and alchemy if you really want to get complex). Not for casual play.
The changeling is the only night that is playable or fun
I thought the Nocturne cards were okay at first when I played them online, but the greatest thing about Dominion is that turns take like 5 minutes and there's essentially ZERO downtime, keeping you involved the whole time. The complexity of this expansion is definitely too much, and if I didn't want restrictions on how many cards I can play I'll play Ascension or basically any other deckbuilder. Dominion is my go-to because while it's simple it requires you to be careful with your decisions. Anyways that's enough out of me.
We've found that even some of the other sets have added some fiddly bits that we don't use anymore-- less is more is the rule for us. And the problem with new special feature ideas like this is, there's not as much replay ability because there's not all that many cards of the new types. So you either only use them rarely, or they get overused and boring...
youre right on the money, Tom.
I can definitely see this taking way longer. This is like 5 extra piles of cards
The number of Supply cards (and, for that matter, Kingdom cards) remains the same. The number of cards added will not affect the game length at all. If anything, more complex or longer turns will.
Rainer Ahlfors He's talking about the piles for Boons, Hexes, Heirlooms, Wishes, Zombies, Spirits...
Exactly.
I think artifact and project did too from Renaissance dont every start with dark ages and adventures
And aventure has page and peasant poor house card are always a argument and hunting ground is too
That from dark ages hermit and urchin suck so does grave robber
Some pretty cool cards, some weak or bad ones
What are all the Dominion sets that have "duration cards"? Seaside, this Nocturne, & what ... ?
So do the "Boon cards" stay on the table for 2 rounds & then go away like in Seaside then, or do they stay in play out on the table? Also when does the night phase even happen & how does it work? I didn't glean that info from this review.
The boon cards have an immediate effect and are discarded afterwards, the night phase happens right after your buy phase. during the night fase you may play as many night cards as you can.
Adventures and Empires have duration cards.
Not yet familiar w/ Empires.
Well, this video finally convinced me that I'm totally over Dominion. Umpteen expansions and still we get more and more cards that juggle Actions and Buys and Discards and Trash, only in increasingly fiddlier fashion. Nope.
Yeah, definitely a smarter game more planning combo focuses. I can get how kids could really be confused by that. But after playing it a lot it's actually really easy
The artwork got really inconsistent...
I can't be the only one who thought the back of those cards said 'SEX'..... right?
Worst. Font. Ever.
Many moons ago, when I was just getting into the Dominion universe, this review would have destroyed my opinion of dominion as a whole. If this individual with a camera and an ego wants to avoid nocturne, thats fine. That's his choice. I feel that he dismayed some people from Nocturne that, had they not watched this, may have enjoyed it. The setup for the entire game, save for base and hinterlands, is definitely more complex. It is simply not true that you can just whip out 10 cards and go. There is always deliberate setup. The game needed some darker cards and themes for that aesthetic. Dark Ages went a little in that direction but not quite enoiugh. Dominion and all their expansions is a big enough game to cater to everyone, but not quite enough for those looking for a darker, dungeony, monster vibe. With this expansion, it CAN cater to everyone. So it didnt cater to Tom Vasel. Big deal. There is plenty of other cards to "whip out". However, do not dismay other peoples game style due to your personal tastes. Nocturne is an excellent addition, please watch other reviews and videos, and try it out yourself. Read the rules and the cards and the lore and all that. Do your own research. Listening to one person is a bad idea. Especially since he talked about his own taste in how to play the game the whole time.
Too fiddly in my opinion...so yeah a bit too much for me and I agree with Tom here.
is this a review of the expansion or a rules explanation? Im not getting a sense of what playing this game feels like; instead im getting a scattered bunch of random card and rules info
I feel like the previous more complex sets like Dark Ages, Adventures or Empires did not cross the line, where the new mechanics are wanky. They introduced cool new stuff, but with this expansion, this is just too much as Tom says. Sure you can have fun with it just like with any other Dominion expansion, but this is the first time when i felt like this has gone too far from the original dominion experience.
Nice hammer lol
Ooof,wow this could've been a stand-alone game. It changes way too many things and adds more fiddly-ness to a game that's a simple card game.
This does to Dominion what Dark Ages and Prosperity did previously. Prosperity added Platinum and Colonies. Dark Ages added ruins, shelters, etc. This simply adds alternate starting "Coppers" and have a few effect decks along the lines of what Adventures did. Other than that, it plays pretty much the same.
If you want to avoid a fiddly Dominion experience, simply stay away from Dark Ages and anything released after that.
Ugh, that looks terrible. Please make more normal Dominion expansions and I'll continue to buy them. This is a huge pass for me.
Not really a fan of Dominion, I will play it, but never buy it or bring it to the table. This expansion shows that they need to make another deck building game that fixes all the problems with Dominion. Add a theme that works well with the mechanics so you can explain the game with the theme and also improve the artwork. Make a Dominion 2.0.
Also first
This is too much. The beauty of Dominion is in its simplicity, a lot of this stuff is making my head spin just watching this video. Too much going on with all of the different special cards and extra phases in this expansion. I think this is officially the "jump the shark" expansion.
Wow, they are trying way too hard. This isn't even dominion. It's a totally different game.
No. Not a tough decision. Too. Many. Cards.
So dominions attempt to go MTG EDH.... yah doesn't sound good.
I wholeheartedly disagree. Nocturne is my favorite Dominion expansion because of all of the new stuff to change up the game a little since my family is very experienced with the game. I would say that this expansion is about as complicated as Empires, Adventures, or Dark Ages yet I didn't see you complaining about complexity when you reviewed those expansions, hypocrite. Overall, it's definitely not for new players but should add some welcome change to the formula for experienced players.
This expansion strikes me as a grandpa trying to be young and hip. At some point you just have to move on to other games.
They should have stopped making new expansions for Dominion years ago when they said they were going to. This expansion makes a mess out of what was a relatively simple & light game.
Each of the last three expansions have done that.
I can understand that, but really, I love most of the new mechanisms of the game. I like how it isn't much more of the samy stuff.
Granted, Ive only played this online, this would be a pain to play in real life.
This expansion looks like a parody. The theme is forced and the new phase makes the game long and messy. An easy NOPE from me.
Absolute Garbage. Should have stopped with these expansions a long time ago.
This expansion is the worst one and it is still better than your opinion